Religions > Bible > The true Bride of Christ is Oneness and not trinity
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"Pastor Steve Winter" |
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15 Dec 2006 09:51:05 PM |
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The true Bride of Christ is Oneness and not trinity |
The true Bride of Christ is the Bride of one husband only.
No trinitarian has been able to answer the simple questions
regarding which of their "god persons" is being referred to
or is speaking in these verses.
The trinity god squad is simply man making gods unto himself.
Jer 16:20 Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no
Gods?"
Deut 4:35 Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that
the Lord he is God; there is none else beside him.
Which one of the god squad members is referred to in the above
verse god squad member number 1, god squad member number 2, or
god squad member number 3?
I believe that the trinity theory proposes that there were 2
other "god persons" beside Jehovah during this time.
Deut 4:39 Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine
heart, that the Lord he is God in heaven above, and upon the
earth beneath; there is none else.
Which one of the god squad members is referred to in the above
verse god squad member number 1, god squad member number 2, or
god squad member number 3?
I believe it would also have said "they" rather than "he" if the
trinity theory was scriptural.
Deut 6:4 Hear, O Isriael: The Lord our God is one Lord:
Which one of the god squad members is referred to in the above
verse god squad member number 1, god squad member number 2, or
god squad member number 3?
Deut 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and THERE IS NO
GOD WITH ME: I kill, and I make alive; I wound and I heal:
neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
Which one of the god squad members is speaking to in the above
verse god squad member number 1, god squad member number 2, or
god squad member number 3?
According to trinity there were two others with Jehovah here,
surely Jehovah would have been aware of their presence
(especially if they were co-equal, and co-eternal)
Psalms 86:10 For thou art great, and doest wonderous things:
THOU ART GOD ALONE.
Which one of the god squad members is referred to in the above
verse god squad member number 1, god squad member number 2, or
god squad member number 3?
Isaiah 43:3 For I am the Lord thy God, the Holy One of
Israel, THY SAVIOR:...."
Which one of the god squad members is referred to in the above
verse god squad member number 1, god squad member number 2, or
god squad member number 3?
Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, sayeth the Lord, and my
servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and
understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed,
neither shall there be after me.
Which one of the god squad members is referred to in the above
verse god squad member number 1, god squad member number 2, or
god squad member number 3?
Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the Lord, and BESIDES ME THERE IS
NO SAVIOR.
Which one of the god squad members is referred to in the above
verse god squad member number 1, god squad member number 2, or
god squad member number 3?
Now surely Jehovah would have noticed a "second person" hanging
around heaven (especially if he was sitting on his right hand).
Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the Lord, the King of Israel, and his
redeemer the Lord of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last,
and BESIDE ME THERE IS NO GOD.
Which one of the god squad members is referred to in the above
verse god squad member number 1, god squad member number 2, or
god squad member number 3?
Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that
formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things;
that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad
the earth BY MYSELF;
Which one of the god squad members is referred to in the above
verse god squad member number 1, god squad member number 2, or
god squad member number 3?
Now why would Jehovah take the credit and not share it with the
"second person" of the trinity god squad?
Isaiah 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no
God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the
west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is
none else.
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens;
God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath
established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be
inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Isaiah 45: 21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take
counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who
hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no
God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none
beside me.
22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for
I am God, and there is none else.
Isaiah 46:5 To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and
compare me, that we may be like?
Isaiah 48:11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I
do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my
glory unto another.
Which one of the god squad members is referred to in the above
verses god squad member number 1, god squad member number 2, or
god squad member number 3?
Titus 1:3 But hath in due times manifested his word through
preaching, which is committed unto me according to the
commandment of GOD OUR SAVIOR.
Titus 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of GOD OUR
SAVIOR toward man appeared, appeared.
Which one of the god squad members is referred to in the above
verses as "savior", god squad member number 1, god squad member
number 2, or god squad member number 3?
Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the
commandments is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord.
Ephesians 4:5 ONE LORD, one faith, one baptism.
I Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of
godliness: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, justified in the
Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on
in the world, received up into glory.
Which one of the god squad members is referred to in the above
verse god squad member number 1, god squad member number 2, or
god squad member number 3?
I John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid
down HIS LIFE for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the
brethren.
St. John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time
with you, and yet HAST THOU NOT KNOWN ME, Phillip? HE THAT HATH
SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, Shew us
the Father?
Oops, here we have the "second person" of the trinity theory
claiming to be the "first person".
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a CHILD is born, unto us a SON is
given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his
name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE
EVERLASTING FATHER, the Prince of Peace.
Which one of the god squad members is referred to in the above
verse god squad member number 1, god squad member number 2, or
god squad member number 3?
Jude 25 To the only wise GOD OUR SAVIOR, be glory and
majesty, dominion and power, both now and forever. Amen.
Pastor sTeve Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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| User: "Pastor Steve Winter" |
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| Title: Re: The true Bride of Christ is Oneness and not trinity |
16 Dec 2006 10:13:41 PM |
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"Peace Crusader" <acfernando@hotmail.com> spake thusly and wrote:
Dear Pastor Steve Winter and my Fellowmen,
It is true that there is only ONE true God.
Could you please explain Genesis 1:26, to wit (King James Version):
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:"
No, that doesn't support your polytheism.
Here we have one of the favorite verses of the trinity/antichrist
preachers, except if we keep reading just one verse further; we
see that verse 26 couldn't have possibly been referring to a
discussion with other gods. God was talking with the angels.
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after
our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the
sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over
all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon
the earth.
Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image
of God created he him; male and female created he them.
See in verse 27; it says "he" created, not "they" created. But as
if that wasn't enough proof, we see in this next verse that God
clearly and plainly declares that He did the creating, and I
quote "by myself"
Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that
formed thee from the womb, I [am] the LORD that maketh all
[things]; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth
abroad the earth by myself;
Isaiah 44:25 That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh
diviners mad; that turneth wise [men] backward, and maketh their
knowledge foolish;
God does not seem overly impressed with men's pet theories, does
He?
Isaiah 45:5 I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else, [there
is] no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known
me:
Isaiah 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and
from the west, that [there is] none beside me. I [am] the LORD,
and [there is] none else.
Now I have to submit that if there had been any other co-equal,
co-eternal 1/3 gods around that Jehovah Saviour would have been
aware of them, notice that He states, and I quote "there is none
beside me".
Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my
mouth [in] righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me
every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Isaiah 45:23 and Philippians 2:10 & 11 must be referring to the
same person, whom all knees will eventually bow to.
Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under
the earth;
Philippians 2:11 And [that] every tongue should confess that
Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Now if you're having any trouble at all with thinking that verse
11 speaks of two gods, just take the comma out (the original
language didn't have 'em)...and notice the consistent meaning, if
we read the verse to mean that Jesus Christ is Lord of the glory
of God the Father.
If that seems to be stretching things a bit, notice this next
verse:
I Corinthians 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew:
for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord
of glory.
See, it says that Jesus is the Lord of glory, but we see in this
next verse that Jehovah Saviour states that He will not share His
glory with any other....sooo we see that Jehovah Saviour allowed
Himself to be crucified.
Isaiah 48:11 For mine own sake, [even] for mine own sake, will I
do [it]: for how should [my name] be polluted? and I will not
give my glory unto another.
And if anyone with even the slightest bit of sincerity has any
lingering doubt, Jesus said it about as plain as it could be
said.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with
you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me
hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the
Father?
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another
Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive,
because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him;
for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so
be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not
the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Notice how the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ is the same
Spirit. That same Spirit is the Spirit of Truth, or the Holy
Ghost.
God is a Spirit.
John 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must
worship [him] in spirit and in truth.
God is holy.
I Samuel 2:2 [There is] none holy as the LORD: for [there is]
none beside thee: neither [is there] any rock like our God.
God is a "Holy Spirit". Jesus is the "Spirit of truth"
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the
life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Jesus was "dwelling with them" and promised to be "in them".
John 14:17 [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot
receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye
know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
The "comforter" is the "Spirit of Christ"
John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
The "Spirit of Christ" is the "Holy Spirit" is the "Spirit of
Truth"
John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the
Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and
bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto
you.
The Spirit of God visited His creation robed in flesh as the
"Son".
I Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of
godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the
Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on
in the world, received up into glory.
The fullness of God is in Jesus Christ
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead
bodily.
Colossians 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of
all principality and power:
Jesus IS the "everlasting Father".
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:
and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall
be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting
Father, The Prince of Peace.
Those who believe that Jesus is a "separate person" from the
"Father" don't really know Jesus at all.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with
you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me
hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the
Father?
Pastor sTeve Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
http://tinyurl.com/mxu7o for trinity is antichrist sermon
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| User: "Pastor Steve Winter" |
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| Title: Re: The true Bride of Christ is Oneness and not trinity |
16 Dec 2006 10:11:48 PM |
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"Rod" <freelance74601@yahoo.com> spake thusly and wrote:
You ARE the blind man leading others into a ditch. I strongly suggest
that NO ONE take your teachings seriously as you are a man without
the vision needed to understand Gods Word.
While Rod Eastman is an accused devil that the Bible compares to
a dog eating its own vomit.
Teaching people that they need to obey the Word of God is not
leading them into a ditch little devil man. You are the devilish
scum in the ditch, Mr. Eastman
Rod Eastman is a weak pathetic excuse for a man who didn't have
the guts to live for God so now he is trying to talk others out
of it as well.
Pastor Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
http://tinyurl.com/mxu7o for trinity is antichrist sermon
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| User: "Pastor Steve Winter" |
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| Title: Rod Eastman shows what a devil he has become |
17 Dec 2006 01:25:23 PM |
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"Rod" <freelance74601@yahoo.com> spake thusly and wrote:
I am warning them about you, a hypocritical preacher
that lied about his intentions, stores
You are a filthy, lying scum Rod Eastman and a publisher of
malicious libel. I reported crime to authorities.
You filthy, pathetic Satanic slime! You falsely accuse me while
you say not a word against the false-christian scum Stephen Adams
who actually tried to HELP real child porn publishers to avoid
investigation!
You are a slime, like the filthy cowardboi and the devilish
"Quartus" who twist the facts and lie.
Rod Eastman is showing the world that a man who accepts the truth
and is welcomed by the Body of Christ and then rejects Christ is
worse off than before he ever knew the truth.
2 Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known
the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn
from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb,
The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was
washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Now Mr. Eastman is showing the world what a sick, obsessed,
pathetic excuse for a man that he has become.
Pastor Winter
--
Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
http://tinyurl.com/mxu7o for trinity is antichrist sermon
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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| Title: Re: Rod Eastman shows what a devil he has become |
17 Dec 2006 06:36:02 PM |
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On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 14:25:23 -0500, Pastor Steve Winter
<steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote:
"Rod" <freelance74601@yahoo.com> spake thusly and wrote:
I am warning them about you, a hypocritical preacher
that lied about his intentions, stores
You are a filthy, lying scum Rod Eastman and a publisher of
malicious libel. I reported crime to authorities.
You filthy, pathetic Satanic slime! You falsely accuse me while
you say not a word against the false-christian scum Stephen Adams
who actually tried to HELP real child porn publishers to avoid
investigation!
You are a slime, like the filthy cowardboi and the devilish
"Quartus" who twist the facts and lie.
Rod Eastman is showing the world that a man who accepts the truth
and is welcomed by the Body of Christ and then rejects Christ is
worse off than before he ever knew the truth.
2 Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known
the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn
from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb,
The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was
washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Now Mr. Eastman is showing the world what a sick, obsessed,
pathetic excuse for a man that he has become.
Pastor Winter
Steve,
I love it when you take passages that speak about you and apply them
to others because every time you do it you make the verses living and
real. People look at what you do and compare what you do to what the
verses say and see you for who you really are; a hypocrite. The
chapter speaks about you - a false prophet among the people and a
false teaher who brings in damnable heresies. Look at what the verses
say will happen to you Steve. Look what your feigned words,
pernicious ways and covetednous will bring you.
2 Peter 2:1 KJV
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there
shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable
heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon
themselves swift destruction.
2 Peter 2:2 KJV
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way
of truth shall be evil spoken of.
2 Peter 2:3 KJV
And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make
merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not,
and their damnation slumbereth not.
2 Peter 2:4 KJV
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to
hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved
unto judgment;
2 Peter 2:5 KJV
And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth [person], a
preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the
ungodly;
2 Peter 2:6 KJV
And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned
[them] with an overthrow, making [them] an ensample unto those that
after should live ungodly;
2 Peter 2:7 KJV
And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the
wicked:
2 Peter 2:8 KJV
(For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing,
vexed [his] righteous soul from day to day with [their] unlawful
deeds;)
2 Peter 2:9 KJV
The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to
reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
2 Peter 2:10 KJV
But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness,
and despise government. Presumptuous [are they], selfwilled, they are
not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
2 Peter 2:11 KJV
Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not
railing accusation against them before the Lord.
2 Peter 2:12 KJV
But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed,
speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly
perish in their own corruption;
2 Peter 2:13 KJV
And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, [as] they that count
it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots [they are] and blemishes,
sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with
you;
2 Peter 2:14 KJV
Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin;
beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous
practices; cursed children:
2 Peter 2:15 KJV
Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the
way of Balaam [the son] of Bosor, who loved the wages of
unrighteousness;
2 Peter 2:16 KJV
But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ***** speaking with man's
voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
2 Peter 2:17 KJV
These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest;
to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
2 Peter 2:18 KJV
For when they speak great swelling [words] of vanity, they allure
through the lusts of the flesh, [through much] wantonness, those that
were clean escaped from them who live in error.
2 Peter 2:19 KJV
While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of
corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought
in bondage.
2 Peter 2:20 KJV
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the
knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again
entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them
than the beginning.
2 Peter 2:21 KJV
For it had been better for them not to have known the way of
righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy
commandment delivered unto them.
2 Peter 2:22 KJV
But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog
[is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her
wallowing in the mire.
Boy do those verses ever describe you. You try to apply them to
someone who is not a prophet or a teacher. They apply more to you
than to Rod or anyone else that posts to this group. You are a false
teacher. I suspect you knew the truth but turned from it to practice
idolatry for filfthy lucres sake. You returned to your own vomit.
If Rod has become disallusioned; is it not becuase of the behavior of
tyranical hypocrites like yourself? Who would want to follow the
false god you preach other than a raving lunatic.
......
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
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| User: "Opie" |
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| Title: Re: Re: Rod Eastman shows what a devil he has become |
18 Dec 2006 02:53:32 PM |
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On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 19:36:02 -0500, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 14:25:23 -0500, Pastor Steve Winter
<steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote:
"Rod" <freelance74601@yahoo.com> spake thusly and wrote:
I am warning them about you, a hypocritical preacher
that lied about his intentions, stores
You are a filthy, lying scum Rod Eastman and a publisher of
malicious libel. I reported crime to authorities.
You filthy, pathetic Satanic slime! You falsely accuse me while
you say not a word against the false-christian scum Stephen Adams
who actually tried to HELP real child porn publishers to avoid
investigation!
You are a slime, like the filthy cowardboi and the devilish
"Quartus" who twist the facts and lie.
Rod Eastman is showing the world that a man who accepts the truth
and is welcomed by the Body of Christ and then rejects Christ is
worse off than before he ever knew the truth.
2 Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known
the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn
from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb,
The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was
washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Now Mr. Eastman is showing the world what a sick, obsessed,
pathetic excuse for a man that he has become.
Pastor Winter
Steve,
I love it when you take passages that speak about you and apply them
to others because every time you do it you make the verses living and
real. People look at what you do and compare what you do to what the
verses say and see you for who you really are; a hypocrite. The
chapter speaks about you - a false prophet among the people and a
false teaher who brings in damnable heresies. Look at what the verses
say will happen to you Steve. Look what your feigned words,
pernicious ways and covetednous will bring you.
2 Peter 2:1 KJV
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there
shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable
heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon
themselves swift destruction.
2 Peter 2:2 KJV
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way
of truth shall be evil spoken of.
2 Peter 2:3 KJV
And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make
merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not,
and their damnation slumbereth not.
2 Peter 2:4 KJV
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to
hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved
unto judgment;
2 Peter 2:5 KJV
And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth [person], a
preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the
ungodly;
2 Peter 2:6 KJV
And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned
[them] with an overthrow, making [them] an ensample unto those that
after should live ungodly;
2 Peter 2:7 KJV
And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the
wicked:
2 Peter 2:8 KJV
(For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing,
vexed [his] righteous soul from day to day with [their] unlawful
deeds;)
2 Peter 2:9 KJV
The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to
reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
2 Peter 2:10 KJV
But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness,
and despise government. Presumptuous [are they], selfwilled, they are
not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
2 Peter 2:11 KJV
Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not
railing accusation against them before the Lord.
2 Peter 2:12 KJV
But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed,
speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly
perish in their own corruption;
2 Peter 2:13 KJV
And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, [as] they that count
it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots [they are] and blemishes,
sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with
you;
2 Peter 2:14 KJV
Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin;
beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous
practices; cursed children:
2 Peter 2:15 KJV
Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the
way of Balaam [the son] of Bosor, who loved the wages of
unrighteousness;
2 Peter 2:16 KJV
But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ***** speaking with man's
voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
2 Peter 2:17 KJV
These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest;
to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
2 Peter 2:18 KJV
For when they speak great swelling [words] of vanity, they allure
through the lusts of the flesh, [through much] wantonness, those that
were clean escaped from them who live in error.
2 Peter 2:19 KJV
While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of
corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought
in bondage.
2 Peter 2:20 KJV
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the
knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again
entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them
than the beginning.
2 Peter 2:21 KJV
For it had been better for them not to have known the way of
righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy
commandment delivered unto them.
2 Peter 2:22 KJV
But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog
[is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her
wallowing in the mire.
Boy do those verses ever describe you. You try to apply them to
someone who is not a prophet or a teacher. They apply more to you
than to Rod or anyone else that posts to this group. You are a false
teacher. I suspect you knew the truth but turned from it to practice
idolatry for filfthy lucres sake. You returned to your own vomit.
If Rod has become disallusioned; is it not becuase of the behavior of
tyranical hypocrites like yourself? Who would want to follow the
false god you preach other than a raving lunatic.
......
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
And what is it exactly that you're trying to accomplish by throwing your
own stones?
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Filth like Robert Sowle can't even begin to defend the stupid
garbage they peddle against a real Christian preacher.
If I had the approval of filthy, profane, low life,
false-christian scum like Robert Sowle I would fear for my soul.
The obsessed false-christian scum Robert Sowle is a malicious
liar and one of the viler false-christian dirt out here.
Any real Christian should join me in obedience to Gal 1:8
regarding Robert Sowle.
Pastor Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
http://tinyurl.com/mxu7o for trinity is antichrist sermon
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Good evening Steve;
"Pastor Steve Winter" <steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote in message
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The true Bride of Christ is the Bride of one husband only.
No trinitarian has been able to answer the simple questions
regarding which of their "god persons" is being referred to
or is speaking in these verses.
The trinity god squad is simply man making gods unto himself.
Jer 16:20 Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no
Gods?"
Deut 4:35 Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that
the Lord he is God; there is none else beside him.
Which one of the god squad members is referred to in the above
verse god squad member number 1, god squad member number 2, or
god squad member number 3?
Do you and Jethro Bodine have anything in common?
Cheers,
John
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15 Dec 2006 10:23:16 PM |
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Pastor Steve Winter wrote:
The true Bride of Christ is the Bride of one husband only.
No trinitarian has been able to answer the simple questions
regarding which of their "god persons" is being referred to
or is speaking in these verses.
For one thing, you are so ignorant of what the Trinitarian doctrine is
it is an insult.
They do not have any "god persons" since even a beginner in Theology
knows that when one uses the lower case for "god" it is not talking
about GOD the Creator. Your idea of the Trinity is not found in the
teachings of that doctrine. I know of no trinity group that believes
in three Gods or three gods. Since you are wrong and the doctrine you
call the trinity is not what those that say they believe it, do
believe. You again prove you do not know what you are talking about
and are only teaching your own cult doctrine.
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16 Dec 2006 11:15:49 AM |
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"Dr. R. Knapp" <rwknapp@hotmail.com> spake thusly and wrote:
For one thing, you are so ignorant of what the Trinitarian doctrine is
it is an insult.
The filthy false-christian scum Raymond Knapp wants to defend his
trinitarian brethren.
I guess Raymond Knapp just couldn't help but to lie again. Also,
real Apostolics teach that baptism is part of the new birth
whereby one becomes a Christian.
The filthy reprobate scum Raymond Knapp does not teach the real
Apostolic doctrine. He also claims to have been saved BEFORE
baptism in a Baptist cult.
From his own words you can see what a filthy, low life, DECEIVER
Raymond Knapp is.
Quoting from http://www.impsmail.org/knapp.html
http://www.impsmail.org/knapp1-15-2005.txt In this USENET post,
Raymond Knapp proves that he is a false preacher when he states,
"One is baptized because they are saved, not to make them saved."
http://www.impsmail.org/rk04102005.txt In this 4/10/2005 USENET
post the devilish deceiver Raymond Knapp states
clearly that he does not believe that the birth of water in John
3:5 refers to baptism
It is one thing to call someone a liar, it is quite another to
PROVE it. Raymond Knapp is a FAKE and a LIAR!
Raymond Knapp is a reprobate spiritual ***** trying to put himself
over as "Oneness missionary".
Some of his email harassment and behaviour is documented at
http://www.impsmail.org/knapp.html in case anyone is inclined to
take him seriously.
Can you say "communist sympathizer", Mr. Knapp? Of COURSE the
communists leave you alone, Mr. Knapp, you are their bubba.
Pastor sTeve Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
http://tinyurl.com/mxu7o for trinity is antichrist sermon
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16 Dec 2006 11:51:01 AM |
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Pastor Steve Winter wrote:
"Dr. R. Knapp" <rwknapp@hotmail.com> spake thusly and wrote:
For one thing, you are so ignorant of what the Trinitarian doctrine is
it is an insult.
The filthy false-christian scum Raymond Knapp wants to defend his
trinitarian brethren.
Oh may still mad as a dog and insane it seems by the way you call
people names. Then that is you and your demons just love to hear and
read what you post. Then I am not defending anything but saying you do
not know what your talking about. Your teachings on the trinity is
some three god persons, which no Trinity person believes. We know in
your mixed up mind and hate for the Oneness doctrine and Apostolic
teachings you make them look like fools by claiming your believe like
they do. You mouth and shows the evil in your heart, so your dead in
your sins. Jesus pointed out till you learn to forgive you are still
in your sins, all the water in the world without faith will not wash
one of your sins away. The blood of Jesus can but then you need to
repent and give up your cult teachings to find that peace, joy and
happiness, that it is clear to see you lack.
Then most of your harressing post are not in the email but here by the
thousands in the newsgroups.
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16 Dec 2006 10:10:30 PM |
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Pastor Steve Winter wrote:
"Dr. R. Knapp" <rwknapp@hotmail.com> spake thusly and wrote:
For one thing, you are so ignorant of what the Trinitarian doctrine is
it is an insult.
What noting to say? All you could do is dump your insults and stay
away from the statement made. Then that is what you do so well. Give
me the location from a Trinity link that shows their doctrine in the
Trinity is "three gods" otherwise again you prove you know nothing
about what you try to curse, speak evil of. Jesus still loves you and
if you would turn from your sins, you may even get saved someday. 3
John 1-14
The Elder,
To the beloved Gaius, whom I love in truth:
2 Beloved, I pray that you may prosper in all things and be in health,
just as your soul prospers. 3 For I rejoiced greatly when brethren came
and testified of the truth that is in you, just as you walk in the
truth. 4 I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in
truth.
5 Gaius Commended for Generosity
Beloved, you do faithfully whatever you do for the brethren and for
strangers, 6 who have borne witness of your love before the church. If
you send them forward on their journey in a manner worthy of God, you
will do well, 7 because they went forth for His name's sake, taking
nothing from the Gentiles. 8 We therefore ought to receive such, that
we may become fellow workers for the truth.
9 Diotrephes and Demetrius
I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to have the
preeminence among them, does not receive us. 10 Therefore, if I come, I
will call to mind his deeds which he does, prating against us with
malicious words. And not content with that, he himself does not receive
the brethren, and forbids those who wish to, putting them out of the
church.
11 Beloved, do not imitate what is evil, but what is good. He who does
good is of God, but he who does evil has not seen God.
12 Demetrius has a good testimony from all, and from the truth itself.
And we also bear witness, and you know that our testimony is true.
13 Farewell Greeting
I had many things to write, but I do not wish to write to you with pen
and ink; 14 but I hope to see you shortly, and we shall speak face to
face.
Peace to you. Our friends greet you. Greet the friends by name. NKJV
Raymond www.pioneers-for-jesus.org
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16 Dec 2006 11:17:46 AM |
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"Dr. R. Knapp" <rwknapp@hotmail.com> spake thusly and wrote:
the lower case for "god" it is not talking
about GOD the Creator. Your idea of the Trinity is not found in the
teachings of that doctrine.
No wonder the filthy false-christian scum Raymond Knapp gets on
so well with other Satanic deceivers!
Whether Satan's servants call their polytheistic philosophies
"trinitarianism", "triunity", or whatever smokescreen or
deception..
Whether they philosophize about pies being sliced or apples being
diced...
The bottom line is that they REJECT Jesus name baptism for the
remission of sins as preached and practiced by the Apostles and
ALL real Christians since then.
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized,
and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Jesus name baptism remits sins!
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized
every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of
sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children,
and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God
shall call.
Those that really receive the Word of God are baptized in Jesus
name.
Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were
baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three
thousand souls.
We have all of these proofs that the Apostles baptised using the
Name of Jesus. It astounds me how these trinity preachers can
deceive souls into believing that their filthy false preacher
knows more than the Apostles!
Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things
concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they
were baptized, both men and women.
Acts 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they
were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be
baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of
the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Acts 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye
baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism.
Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism
of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe
on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Paul told them to believe on Jesus and what did they immediately
understand that meant?
Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name
of the Lord Jesus.
Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into
Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Paul taught baptism in Jesus Name, but he found that he should
let the local preachers do the baptizing. They were not
baptised in the name of Paul, but rather, in the Name of Jesus.
But we can gain insight from this that a singular NAME was used
in baptism.
1 Corinthians 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for
you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
1 Corinthians 1:14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but
Crispus and Gaius;
1 Corinthians 1:15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in
mine own name.
1 Corinthians 1:16 And I baptized also the household of
Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
The Bible is so clear in it's warning against trinitarianism and
filth like Raymond Knapp.
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and
vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of
the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead
bodily.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all
principality and power:
Trinitarian filth like to publish page after page of their
garbage polytheistic philosophies.
Guess what? Satanic preachers do not want you to put on Christ
by being baptized in Jesus NAME!
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ
have put on Christ.
Why do Satanic preachers want you to reject the name of Jesus in
baptism?
Well....
2 Cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers,
transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2 Cor 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed
into an angel of light.
2 Cor 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers
also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end
shall be according to their works.
2 Tim 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse,
deceiving, and being deceived.
Pastor sTeve Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
http://tinyurl.com/mxu7o for trinity is antichrist sermon
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20 Dec 2006 09:56:16 PM |
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Why the redirect.
Pastor Steve Winter wrote:
The true Bride of Christ is the Bride of one husband only.
No trinitarian has been able to answer the simple questions
regarding which of their "god persons" is being referred to
or is speaking in these verses.
The trinity god squad is simply man making gods unto himself.
Jer 16:20 Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no
Gods?"
Deut 4:35 Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that
the Lord he is God; there is none else beside him.
Which one of the god squad members is referred to in the above
verse god squad member number 1, god squad member number 2, or
god squad member number 3?
snip
This is rather harsh, dont you think Pastor?
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20 Dec 2006 11:01:36 PM |
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spake thusly and wrote:
Pastor Steve Winter wrote:
The true Bride of Christ is the Bride of one husband only.
No trinitarian has been able to answer the simple questions
regarding which of their "god persons" is being referred to
or is speaking in these verses.
The trinity god squad is simply man making gods unto himself.
Jer 16:20 Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no
Gods?"
Deut 4:35 Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that
the Lord he is God; there is none else beside him.
Which one of the god squad members is referred to in the above
verse god squad member number 1, god squad member number 2, or
god squad member number 3?
snip
This is rather harsh, dont you think Pastor?
No, the eternity in the lake of fire that awaits every
trinitarian will be harsh.
Trinitarianism is not merely stupid and foolish, it is a
spiritually fatal error.
I will explain in this brief post why every trinitarian will
die in their sins and spend eternity in a devils' hell. I do
this not to condemn souls, because the trinitarian is
condemned already, but to warn of the fires of hell.
Jude 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the
fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of
season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and
doctrine.
Remission of sins is essential for sinful humanity to be
"sin free". The word "salvation" means free from sin.
In Acts 2:38 we see that sins are remitted (washed away) by
Jesus name baptism. Now the trinitarian is not really
worshipping the Jesus of the Bible, so they see no need to be
baptised in Jesus name (even though the Bible clearly commands
it). They think that their three gods need three separate
"titles" in baptism.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized
every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of
sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children,
and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God
shall call.
This is because Jesus is the Great "I AM" of the Bible.
His name is the ONLY saving name.
Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is
none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be
saved.
So, you see, trinity preachers really are deceiving people into
hell. I don't just say that to be mean, but rather in the
service of truth.
Both of the following statements were spoken by the same person:
Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said,
Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent
me unto you.
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily , verily, I say unto
you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Now the false christian will not accept that Jesus is "I AM".
They "don't believe". They are "non-believers".
That is why Jesus said that those who would not accept that He
really was the "I AM" would die in their sins.
1. Those who do not see Jesus as "I AM" see no need to be
baptised in the name of Jesus.
John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your
sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your
sins.
2. Sins are remitted by Jesus name baptism.
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized,
and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
3. Those who don't believe in Jesus will refuse Jesus name
baptism and will die with their sins UN-REMITTED.
1 Timothy 5:24 Some men’s sins are open beforehand, going before
to judgment; and some men they follow after.
That is why Jesus said:
John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your
sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your
sins.
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but
he that believeth not shall be damned.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except
a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into
the kingdom of God.
Sins are washed away by Jesus name baptism. That is why the
Bible commands it, so you can "put on Christ".
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ
have put on Christ.
Trinitarians are deceived by their filthy preachers into refusing
to "put on Christ".
Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call
his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism
of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe
on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name
of the Lord Jesus.
What did the people do immediately when Paul told them
to believe on Jesus?
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized,
and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Acts 8:34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee,
of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other
man?
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same
scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain
water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder
me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou
mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is
the Son of God.
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went
down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he
baptized him.
39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of
the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and
he went on his way rejoicing.
Notice how the eunuch understood that believing on Jesus included
being baptised. You now have several examples from the Word of
God where hearers of the Word of God knew that belief in Jesus
included baptism.
Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized:
and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand
souls.
Even on the day of Pentecost, on the birthday of the New
Testament Church, there were 3000 baptised in Jesus Name. Those
that receive the Word of God get baptised.
Look back just two verses and see that Peter preached Jesus Name
baptism.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized
every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of
sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and
to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall
call.
Pastor sTeve Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
http://tinyurl.com/mxu7o for trinity is antichrist sermon
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21 Dec 2006 08:04:03 AM |
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Good morning Steve;
"Pastor Steve Winter" <steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote in message
news:f65ko2lu82l7re3sa7mkk41oismlbv9mes@4ax.com...
servantof_one_true_god@yahoo.com spake thusly and wrote:
Pastor Steve Winter wrote:
The true Bride of Christ is the Bride of one husband only.
No trinitarian has been able to answer the simple questions
regarding which of their "god persons" is being referred to
or is speaking in these verses.
The trinity god squad is simply man making gods unto himself.
Jer 16:20 Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no
Gods?"
Deut 4:35 Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that
the Lord he is God; there is none else beside him.
Which one of the god squad members is referred to in the above
verse god squad member number 1, god squad member number 2, or
god squad member number 3?
snip
This is rather harsh, dont you think Pastor?
No, the eternity in the lake of fire that awaits every
trinitarian will be harsh.
Trinitarianism is not merely stupid and foolish, it is a
spiritually fatal error.
I will explain in this brief post why every trinitarian will
die in their sins and spend eternity in a devils' hell. I do
this not to condemn souls, because the trinitarian is
condemned already, but to warn of the fires of hell.
Jude 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the
fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
If I could a small supplement to your quotation from the epistle of
Jude:
A Call To Persevere
17 But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ
foretold.
18 They said to you, "In the last times there will be scoffers who will
follow their own ungodly desires."
19 These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts
and do not have the Spirit.
20 But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and
pray in the Holy Spirit.
21 Keep yourselves in God's love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord
Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.
22 Be merciful to those who doubt;
23 snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show mercy, mixed
with fear - hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.
Cheers,
John
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21 Dec 2006 05:21:08 PM |
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John Fraser wrote:
Good morning Steve;
"Pastor Steve Winter" <steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote in message
news:f65ko2lu82l7re3sa7mkk41oismlbv9mes@4ax.com...
servantof_one_true_god@yahoo.com spake thusly and wrote:
Pastor Steve Winter wrote:
The true Bride of Christ is the Bride of one husband only.
No trinitarian has been able to answer the simple questions
regarding which of their "god persons" is being referred to
or is speaking in these verses.
The trinity god squad is simply man making gods unto himself.
Jer 16:20 Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no
Gods?"
Deut 4:35 Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that
the Lord he is God; there is none else beside him.
Which one of the god squad members is referred to in the above
verse god squad member number 1, god squad member number 2, or
god squad member number 3?
snip
This is rather harsh, dont you think Pastor?
No, the eternity in the lake of fire that awaits every
trinitarian will be harsh.
Trinitarianism is not merely stupid and foolish, it is a
spiritually fatal error.
I will explain in this brief post why every trinitarian will
die in their sins and spend eternity in a devils' hell. I do
this not to condemn souls, because the trinitarian is
condemned already, but to warn of the fires of hell.
Jude 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the
fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
If I could a small supplement to your quotation from the epistle of
Jude:
A Call To Persevere
17 But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ
foretold.
18 They said to you, "In the last times there will be scoffers who will
follow their own ungodly desires."
19 These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts
and do not have the Spirit.
20 But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and
pray in the Holy Spirit.
21 Keep yourselves in God's love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord
Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.
22 Be merciful to those who doubt;
23 snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show mercy, mixed
with fear - hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.
Cheers,
John
It is funny that he seems to quote out of context.
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21 Dec 2006 12:09:56 AM |
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I can see by your fake redirects you are not interested in honest
dialog. That alone is enough to show you can not defend your points.
Pastor Steve Winter wrote:
servantof_one_true_god@yahoo.com spake thusly and wrote:
Pastor Steve Winter wrote:
The true Bride of Christ is the Bride of one husband only.
And the true Bride of Christ does not use the language you use. Simple
as that
No trinitarian has been able to answer the simple questions
regarding which of their "god persons" is being referred to
or is speaking in these verses.
snip I dealt with this in the last post to your "bible study". You know
sir I googled your name / names and have found that you are not a
pastor. I rebuke you in the name of Jesus. Amen. I will pray God will
soften your heart. I would have emailed this but I do not want to be
sued. How silly is that? You sir should be extremely ashamed of your
behavior.
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spake thusly and wrote:
I can see by your fake redirects you are not interested in honest
dialog
A filthy, false-christian scum wants to talk about honest dialog?
Here is an old study that might be helpful for false-christians
to repent of their filthy trinity religions.
JD> So other than speaking in tongues, what would you say a
JD>person must do to be able to go to heaven???
Well, the question really needs to be "What does the Bible say?",
because a true preacher's job is to show you things that the
Bible teaches. God commands a preacher:
II Timothy 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God,
and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction,
for instruction in righteousness:
II Timothy 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works.
II Timothy 4:1 I charge [thee] therefore before God, and the Lord
Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his
appearing and his kingdom;
II Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of
season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and
doctrine.
II Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure
sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to
themselves teachers, having itching ears;
II Timothy 4:4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the
truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
So it is my job as a preacher to "preach the word" and expose
popular "fables".
In the Bible when sinners asked "what shall we do?" the Apostles
responded (with Peter as the spokesman) and said:
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized
every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of
sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
They were told to repent, be water baptised in Jesus name to have
their past sins remitted, and to receive the gift of the Holy
Ghost.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and
to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God
shall call.
Then Peter went on to say that this was the plan for "as many as
the Lord our God shall call".
Acts 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort,
saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized:
and the same day there were added [unto them] about three
thousand souls.
Then about 3000 that received the "word" were water baptised in
Jesus name to have all of their past sins remitted. Sins are
actually washed away when people are baptised using the NAME of
the Lord (His name is Jesus).
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and
wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
The other "epistles" like Romans and Ephesians are letters to
people who were already Christians telling them how to "stay
Christian". Acts 2:38 tells you how to BECOME a Christian, then
you need the other books to learn what God expects of Christians.
Unless you first become a Christian by obeying Acts 2:38, the
other epistles aren't really addressed to you and the promises
aren't for you.
Notice how the Apostles founded the churches and what they told
people to do to become Christians.
** Jews when they received the Holy Ghost **
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began
to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
** Samaritans when they received the Holy Ghost **
Acts 8:14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard
that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them
Peter and John:
Acts 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that
they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Acts 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they
were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Acts 8:17 Then laid they [their] hands on them, and they received
the Holy Ghost.
** There was a clear instant sign so that the Apostles knew that
they had received the same Holy Ghost that the Apostles had *
** Gentiles when they received the Holy Ghost **
Acts 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were
astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the
Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify
God. Then answered Peter,
Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be
baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of
the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
** John the Baptist's disciples had to be RE- baptised and then
they received the same Holy Ghost **
Acts 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost
since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as
heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Acts 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized?
And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism
of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe
on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Acts 19:5 When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name
of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid [his] hands upon them, the Holy
Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Jews, gentiles, Samaritans; all baptised in JESUS name, all spoke
in tongues when they received the Holy Ghost.
Pastor Steve Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
http://tinyurl.com/mxu7o for trinity is antichrist sermon
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21 Dec 2006 05:20:11 PM |
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Pastor Steve Winter wrote:
servantof_one_true_god@yahoo.com spake thusly and wrote:
I can see by your fake redirects you are not interested in honest
dialog
A filthy, false-christian scum wants to talk about honest dialog?
Best watch who your calling scum sir.
Here is an old study that might be helpful for false-christians
to repent of their filthy trinity religions.
So why do you have trinitarians on your website? Do you do business
with any people who are trinitarians?
JD> So other than speaking in tongues, what would you say a
JD>person must do to be able to go to heaven???
Well, the question really needs to be "What does the Bible say?",
Yes that is why I posted Bible verses in context, unlike you.
because a true preacher's job is to show you things that the
Bible teaches. God commands a preacher:
II Timothy 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God,
and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction,
for instruction in righteousness:
II Timothy 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works.
II Timothy 4:1 I charge [thee] therefore before God, and the Lord
Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his
appearing and his kingdom;
II Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of
season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and
doctrine.
Look up the work longsuffering, you dont do that
II Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure
sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to
themselves teachers, having itching ears;
II Timothy 4:4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the
truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
lol pffffffffff irony meter you mean fables like you being a pastor?
So it is my job as a preacher to "preach the word" and expose
popular "fables".
Nope its your job to be a shepherd as well.
In the Bible when sinners asked "what shall we do?" the Apostles
responded (with Peter as the spokesman) and said:
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized
every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of
sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
The bible also says that we should Eat the flesh of the Son of Man and
Drink his Blood. Sense you hold to baptismal regeneration why the
discrepency?
They were told to repent, be water baptised in Jesus name to have
their past sins remitted, and to receive the gift of the Holy
Ghost.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and
to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God
shall call.
Then Peter went on to say that this was the plan for "as many as
the Lord our God shall call".
Acts 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort,
saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized:
and the same day there were added [unto them] about three
thousand souls.
Then about 3000 that received the "word" were water baptised in
Jesus name to have all of their past sins remitted. Sins are
actually washed away when people are baptised using the NAME of
the Lord (His name is Jesus).
Where were they baptized at, did they run on down to the local Y?
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and
wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
The other "epistles" like Romans and Ephesians are letters to
people who were already Christians telling them how to "stay
Christian". Acts 2:38 tells you how to BECOME a Christian, then
you need the other books to learn what God expects of Christians.
Unless you first become a Christian by obeying Acts 2:38, the
other epistles aren't really addressed to you and the promises
aren't for you.
Excuse me this is just false, and if you were a preacher you would know
that. If they are just written to people like you, caugh hach, then why
do you quote them to people like us?
Notice how the Apostles founded the churches and what they told
people to do to become Christians.
snip bible baaable.
Grow up
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21 Dec 2006 10:24:56 PM |
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spake thusly and wrote:
A filthy, false-christian scum wants to talk about honest dialog?
Best watch who your calling scum sir.
How better to describe gutless anon false-christian cowards?
Jesus called deceiving filth like you names like scum. Is He not
the perfect example?
I believe that some of you folks have some serious misconceptions
about the Lord of the Bible, who was the perfect example for the
Christian..
I Peter 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ
also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should
follow his steps:
I Peter 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his
mouth:
I Peter 2:23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he
suffered, he threatened not; but committed [himself] to him that
judgeth righteously:
But let us also look at a particular situation that shows us the
Lord exhibiting unusual behaviour; and that is, when he
encountered false preachers, false religionists, deceivers.
Matthew 23:33 [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can
ye escape the damnation of hell?
Matthew 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear
beautiful outward, but are within full of dead [men's] bones, and
of all uncleanness.
Looking carefully at verse 27. In our modern language "full of
dead men's bones and all uncleanliness" would roughly translate
as the modern term "scum". That tells me that if the Lord was
walking our streets today and encountered a denominal trinitarian
preacher, that He would call him/her/it "scum", "snake",
"hypocrite".
"Love incarnate" didn't coddle false preachers. The Apostle Paul
instructs us should we encounter anyone preaching other than the
original Acts 2:38 message:
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any
other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you,
let him be accursed.
(Check out Acts 19, if you have any doubts that Paul adhered to
the Acts 2:38 re-birth of WATER and SPIRIT.)
Would Jesus Christ call you and/or your preacher "scum" ? If
he's not preaching the Acts 2:38 Apostolic message, He sure
would!
I hope this helps.
Pastor sTeve Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
http://tinyurl.com/mxu7o for trinity is antichrist sermon
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21 Dec 2006 10:25:29 PM |
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spake thusly and wrote:
A filthy, false-christian scum wants to talk about honest dialog?
Best watch who your calling scum sir.
See my reply as:
"Jesus called scum like names
like "scum""
How better to describe gutless anon false-christian cowards?
Jesus called deceiving filth like you names like scum. Is He not
the perfect example?
I believe that some of you folks have some serious misconceptions
about the Lord of the Bible, who was the perfect example for the
Christian..
I Peter 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ
also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should
follow his steps:
I Peter 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his
mouth:
I Peter 2:23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he
suffered, he threatened not; but committed [himself] to him that
judgeth righteously:
But let us also look at a particular situation that shows us the
Lord exhibiting unusual behaviour; and that is, when he
encountered false preachers, false religionists, deceivers.
Matthew 23:33 [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can
ye escape the damnation of hell?
Matthew 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear
beautiful outward, but are within full of dead [men's] bones, and
of all uncleanness.
Looking carefully at verse 27. In our modern language "full of
dead men's bones and all uncleanliness" would roughly translate
as the modern term "scum". That tells me that if the Lord was
walking our streets today and encountered a denominal trinitarian
preacher, that He would call him/her/it "scum", "snake",
"hypocrite".
"Love incarnate" didn't coddle false preachers. The Apostle Paul
instructs us should we encounter anyone preaching other than the
original Acts 2:38 message:
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any
other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you,
let him be accursed.
(Check out Acts 19, if you have any doubts that Paul adhered to
the Acts 2:38 re-birth of WATER and SPIRIT.)
Would Jesus Christ call you and/or your preacher "scum" ? If
he's not preaching the Acts 2:38 Apostolic message, He sure
would!
I hope this helps.
Pastor sTeve Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
http://tinyurl.com/mxu7o for trinity is antichrist sermon
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> spake thusly and wrote:
No trinitarian has been able to answer the simple questions
regarding which of their "god persons" is being referred to
or is speaking in these verses.
There is only one God. The 3 "persons" are 1.
That is really stupid. If you have three persons, you have three
gods. Please allow me to mock the stupid garbage you believe.
={Why do trinitos stop with just 3 godlets in their squad?}=-
If I follow the theory that each manifestation of God
theologically requires a personager, I find myself in a quandary.
For it leads me to a larger quantity of personagers, even
including the plant and animal kingdoms. A couple of examples
come to mind, and if manifestation does imply personager, I
certainly would not want to bypass such a personager as a
theological deity, and theoretically thereby possibly
incur the potential wrath of an offended co-equal, god squad
personager.
Here are some of the examples that I have found:
Exodus 3:4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God
called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses,
Moses. And he said, Here [am] I.
Exodus 3:5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes
from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest [is] holy
ground.
Exodus 3:6 Moreover he said, I [am] the God of thy father, the
God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses
hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.
* Wow! a plant personager. Why do the trintos ignore the "plant
person"?
If they teach that one god rides on another god's right hand, how
can they reject the "bush" person that clearly was God?? *
Numbers 22:28 And the LORD opened the mouth of the *****, and she
said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast
smitten me these three times?
* an animal personager *
Exodus 13:21 And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of
a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire,
to give them light; to go by day and night:
Exodus 13:22 He took not away the pillar of the cloud by day, nor
the pillar of fire by night, [from] before the people.
Exodus 40:38 For the cloud of the LORD [was] upon the tabernacle
by day, and fire was on it by night, in the sight of all the
house of Israel, throughout all their journeys.
* Here, there appears to be two more personagers, one for the day
and one for the night; or possibly one personager with more than
one manifestation...but that would conflict with the theory that
each manifestation demands personality.. so I'll count 2
personagers here.
* I believe that adds up to a total so far (if I add the three
to the ones I found) of 8 full fledged personagers! Except, to
be perfectly honest I have not had the time to do an in depth
search for other personagers, so I do not at all present this
list as complete.
Nor am I presenting the manifestation=personager theory to be
truth, just a theory that I have found interesting to explore
since so many are teaching a 3 person god squad. *
* So if each "Spirit" demands personality, I found seven more
persons!
Revelation 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write;
These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the
seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou
livest, and art dead.
* So here are seven more personagers. *
Revelation 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and
thunderings and voices: and [there were] seven lamps of fire
burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
* Another seven "lamp personagers" *
Revelation 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne
and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a
Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes,
which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
* Seven more "eye personagers" *
* As I look at these verses I perceive that we may even have 14
more, or maybe even 21! Which would be fascinating if it turned
out that we had over "thirty separate personagers co-equal and
co-eternal" instead of just the aforementioned "three separate
personagers". *
* I find it fascinating that the different personagers encompass
such great diversity from "spirits to plants, animals and clouds,
to furniture" I had no idea that there were so many
manifestations demanding personality (assuming, of course that
each manifestation is a "separate personager"). *
* I look back in wonder at the old hymn, how it would rhyme?
"Gawwddd in thirty two peerrrrsons blessed '??????'" I am at a
loss as to what the term would be. If 3 personagers = "trinity",
what would 32 personagers equal? I guess it might be best to
wait and see just how many co-equal, co-eternal personagers that
we can find, first. And of course after all that, the
disclaimer: "These 32 are one"
I can't imagine why the "Catholic lite"™ trinity cults stop at
just 3 gods in their "god committee" (but only "one" committee).
Pastor sTeve Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
http://tinyurl.com/mxu7o for trinity is antichrist sermon
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16 Dec 2006 09:35:37 PM |
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to deal with this in public even with the non oneness non self orgained
preachers watching.
Pastor Steve Winter wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> spake thusly and wrote:
No trinitarian has been able to answer the simple questions
regarding which of their "god persons" is being referred to
or is speaking in these verses.
There is only one God. The 3 "persons" are 1.
That is really stupid.
now that is the smartest thing you have said all day. Are you sure you
are a Real Preacher and a truly self ordained pastor ?
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fake deceptive redirect rebuked and corrected
Pastor Steve Winter wrote:
The true Bride of Christ is the Bride of one husband only.
No trinitarian has been able to answer the simple questions
regarding which of their "god persons" is being referred to
or is speaking in these verses.
The trinity god squad is simply man making gods unto himself.
Jer 16:20 Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no
Gods?"
Deut 4:35 Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that
the Lord he is God; there is none else beside him.
Which one of the god squad members is referred to in the above
verse god squad member number 1, god squad member number 2, or
god squad member number 3?
I believe that the trinity theory proposes that there were 2
other "god persons" beside Jehovah during this time.
Deut 4:39 Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine
heart, that the Lord he is God in heaven above, and upon the
earth beneath; there is none else.
Which one of the god squad members is referred to in the above
verse god squad member number 1, god squad member number 2, or
god squad member number 3?
I believe it would also have said "they" rather than "he" if the
trinity theory was scriptural.
Deut 6:4 Hear, O Isriael: The Lord our God is one Lord:
Which one of the god squad members is referred to in the above
verse god squad member number 1, god squad member number 2, or
god squad member number 3?
Deut 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and THERE IS NO
GOD WITH ME: I kill, and I make alive; I wound and I heal:
neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
Which one of the god squad members is speaking to in the above
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