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"Bible John" |
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16 Apr 2006 08:12:23 PM |
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The true meaning of Easter |
Yesterday I was at my step-sisters wedding, and what a joyous time it was.
I had a god time, and pray for my step-sister to have a joyous time during
her honeymoon in Hawaii. I did let her borrow my camcorder and I hope she
will put it to some good use creating memories that will last.
Well anyways I am privileged and grateful to be back here and doing what I
do best, which is preaching the Good news. I am grateful for being able to
serve my Lord in this way.
I hope everyone here had a wonderful Easter, but sadly most of you do not
know what Easter is about. Easter I'm afraid is not about the Easter bunny
and candy (not saying the candy does not taste good) but Easter is about the
resurrection of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the one that takes away the sins
of the world.
The Resurrection is the most important doctrine in the bible, and without
it there would be no way to salvation for the lost.
I understand there groups are filled with atheists who doubt the authenticity
of the resurrection. There will always be skeptics, and for you I have
attached an article at the end of the message. If you have more questions
after reading the article, feel free to email me on my website.
The resurrection account from the gospel of John
(King James Version)
[Jn 20:1] The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was
yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the
sepulchre. [2] Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other
disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the
Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him. [3] Peter
therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre.
[4] So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and
came first to the sepulchre. [5] And he stooping down, and looking in, saw
the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in. [6] Then cometh Simon Peter
following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,
[7] And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes,
but wrapped together in a place by itself. [8] Then went in also that other
disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed. [9]
For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.
[10] Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.
[11] But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she
stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre, [12] And seeth two angels in
white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body
of Jesus had lain. [13] And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She
saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where
they have laid him. [14] And when she had thus said, she turned herself back,
and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus. [15] Jesus saith unto
her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be
the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where
thou hast laid him, and I will take him away. [16] Jesus saith unto her, Mary.
She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
[17] Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my
Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father,
and your Father; and to my God, and your God. [18] Mary Magdalene came and
told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these
things unto her.
[19] Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the
doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came
Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. [20]
And when he had so said, he showed unto them his hands and his side. Then
were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord. [21] Then said Jesus to them
again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. [22]
And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive
ye the Holy Ghost: [23] Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto
them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained. [24] But Thomas,
one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. [25]
The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he
said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and
put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side,
I will not believe.
[26] And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with
them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said,
Peace be unto you. [27] Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger,
and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side:
and be not faithless, but believing. [28] And Thomas answered and said unto
him, My Lord and my God. [29] Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast
seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet
have believed. [30] And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of
his disciples, which are not written in this book: [31] But these are written,
that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that
believing ye might have life through his name.
Friends Jesus rose from the dead after he died on the cross for you. He died
in your place on that cross and very much wants to come into your life (Rev
3:20). He wants to save you from damnation, because if you do not accept
Him, you will face eternal death apart from Him.
Rev 20:11-15
New King James Version
[Rev 20:11] Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose
face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for
them.[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books
were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the
dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written
in the books.[13] The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades
delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one
according to his works.[14] Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of
fire. This is the second death. [15] And anyone not found written in the
Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
If anyone here wants to receive salvation today, then please pray this simple
prayer.
Dear Jesus,
I know that I am a sinner. I know that without you I am dead in my sins,
and will spend eternity with Satan and his angels in the Lake of Fire. Jesus
I want you to give me a new heart, I want you to forgive me of all my sin.
Please come into my life right know Jesus.
Friends if you prayed this simple prayer, the bible says you got saved. If
this is you, please email me and I would like to send some materials to you,
to help you in your walk with God. I would also like to help you find a bible
based church in your area.
We at CER Ministries love you, and hope to hear from you very soon.
God bless you
John
THE RESSURRECTION AUTHENTICATED
FROM THE NEW UNGERS BIBLE HANDBOOK
The open tomb, Jn 20:1-2
The recovered grave clothing, Jn 20:3-8
The revelation of the risen Lord To Mary of Magdala, Jn 20:11-18; Mk 16:9
To women returning from the tomb, Mt 28:8-10
To Peter later in the day, Lk 24:34; 1Co 15:5
To the Emmaus disciples, Lk 24:13-33
To the apostles - Thomas absent, Lk 24:36-43; Jn 20:19-24
To the apostles - Thomas present, Jn 20:26-29
To the seven by the Lake of Tiberias, Jn 21:1-23
To a multitude of believers on a Galilean mountain, 1Co 15:6
To James,1Co 15:7
To the eleven, Mt 28:16-20; Mk 16:14-20; Lk 24:33-53; Ac 1:3-12
At the ascension, Ac 1:3-12
To Paul, Ac 9:3-6; 1Co 15:8
To Stephen, Ac 7:55
To Paul in the temple, Ac 22:17-21; 23:11
To John on Patmos, Rev 1:10-19
Pilate's sealing and guarding the tomb, Mt 27:62-66
Removal of the stone by an angel, Mt 28:1-3
The terror of the Roman guards, Mt 28:4
The message of the angel to the women, Mt 28:5-6
The report of the guards to the chief priests, Mt 28:11
The chief priests' bribe to the Roman guards, Mt 28:12-13
The Roman guards spread the lie that Christ's body was stolen, Mt 28:15
The certainty of Christ's death, Jn 19:34-42
The certainty of His burial, Mk 15:42-47
The certainty His body was not stolen: If His enemies had done so (Mt 28:4-15)
they would have produced it.
If His friends had done so they would not have preached a lie nor been willing
to die for it.
A hallucination? How could doubting Thomas have a hallucination, or 500 people
imagine something at the same time?
A hoax? How does one then account for the wonderful change in all the disciples
from deepest gloom to radiant joy, cowardice to valor, timid disciples to
powerful witnesses?
The miracle of the Christian faith, personal regeneration
The conversion of Saul of Tarsus
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| User: "Pastor Steve Winter" |
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| Title: Re: The true meaning of Easter |
16 Apr 2006 08:48:20 PM |
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"Bible John" <johnw_94020@yahoo.comPDA> spake thusly and wrote:
I hope everyone here had a wonderful Easter, but sadly most of you do not
know what Easter is about.
Does the false-christian scum John Wolf really expect
us to believe that Herod was celebrating the ressurection
of Jesus Christ?
Acts 12:1 Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his
hands to vex certain of the church.
2 And he killed James the brother of John with the sword.
3 And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further
to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.)
4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and
delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him;
intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
Does the ignorant false-christian scum John Wolf really expect
us to believe that the EASTER that Herod was celebrating the
ressurection of Jesus Christ?
http://www.heathenholidays.com
Pastor Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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| User: "Bible John" |
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17 Apr 2006 12:40:59 AM |
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1 Pet 3:15-But sanctify the Lord God[a] in your hearts, and always be ready
to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in
you, with meekness and fear
CERM-Church Education Resource Ministries
Founder and director
http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible
"Pastor Steve Winter" <steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote in message
news:iqs542lpngmalobrdodr7kvlon68tefiif@4ax.com...
"Bible John" <johnw_94020@yahoo.comPDA> spake thusly and wrote:
I hope everyone here had a wonderful Easter, but sadly most of you do not
know what Easter is about.
Does the false-christian scum John Wolf really expect
us to believe that Herod was celebrating the ressurection
of Jesus Christ?'
Winter why do you deny Jesus? In denying easter, you are denying Christ.
Acts 12:1 Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his
hands to vex certain of the church.
2 And he killed James the brother of John with the sword.
3 And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further
to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.)
4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and
delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him;
intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
Does the ignorant false-christian scum John Wolf really expect
us to believe that the EASTER that Herod was celebrating the
ressurection of Jesus Christ?
http://www.heathenholidays.com
Pastor Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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| User: "Pastor Steve Winter" |
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17 Apr 2006 10:04:12 AM |
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"Bible John" <johnw_94020@yahoo.com> spake thusly and wrote:
Does the false-christian scum John Wolf really expect
us to believe that Herod was celebrating the ressurection
of Jesus Christ?'
Winter why do you deny Jesus? In denying easter, you are denying Christ.
The ignorance of this false-christian scum John Wolf continues to
amaze me! Isn't it interesting how this three-god devil John
Wolf can ignore scripture and other facts.
John Wolf is the scum who denies Christ every time he promotes
his filthy trinity.
There is only one God and He is ONE person, not three, and his
name is Jesus. Sadly, there are many like John Wolf who are not
worshiping the Jesus of the Bible, who, according to the
scripture IS the everlasting Father. These poor souls are
worshiping a figment of carnal human imagination, a man made
"Jesus", that is a separate person from God, or just merely a
part of God. In their vain imagination they mold their "Jesus" to
fit their personal concepts, they manufacture a fable of a
"Jesus" that will just overlook unrepented sins and just take any
and everything into heaven.
They confuse emotional titillations with spiritual
activity...They prefer dewey eyed fables over the Word of God.
An idol need not be a manmade "icon" or statue; a mental concept
can also be an idol god, just as much as a statue of a golden
calf. It has always been the carnal nature to manufacture a god
that fit rather than measuring up to a true Godly standard.
A person like John Wolf worshiping the catholic trinity, might as
well worship rocks, or goats, or dogs or trees; they are basing
their religion on a figment of human imagination, rather than the
God of the Bible.
Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons
of Jacob are not consumed.
Isaiah 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and
from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and
there is none else.
Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take
counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who
hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no
God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none
beside me.
The trinity requires two other separate persons here.
Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall
see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of
the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
(Notice it says HIM not THEM)...
Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the
ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to
come, the Almighty.
(Jesus IS the Almighty)....
Isaiah 43:3 For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel,
thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for
thee.
Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, sayeth the Lord, and my
servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and
understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed,
neither shall there be after me.
Isaiah 43:11 I, [even] I, [am] the LORD; and beside me [there is]
no saviour.
(God came to earth to be the saviour)....
Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring [them] near; yea, let them take
counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? [who]
hath told it from that time? [have] not I the LORD? and [there
is] no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; [there is]
none beside me.
(Trinity says there are three persons here)...
Hosea 13:4 Yet I [am] the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt,
and thou shalt know no god but me: for [there is] no saviour
beside me.
(God is the only savior)....
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with
you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me
hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the
Father?
(Of course Jesus IS the Father, come to be the saviour)...
Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
("Which faith are you?" ever heard that?)...
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for
ever.
(Jesus has always been Alpha and Omega)...
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:
and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall
be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting
Father, The Prince of Peace.
(This says that the child to be born is The Mighty God)
Jer 16:20 Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no
Gods?"
Deut 4:35 Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that
the Lord he is God; there is none else beside him.
Deut 4:39 Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine
heart, that the Lord he is God in heaven above, and upon the
earth beneath; there is none else.
Deut 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and THERE IS NO
GOD WITH ME: I kill, and I make alive; I wound and I heal:
neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the Lord, the King of Israel, and his
redeemer the Lord of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last,
and BESIDE ME THERE IS NO GOD.
Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that
formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things;
that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad
the earth BY MYSELF;
Isaiah 45:5 ¶ I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no
God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the
west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is
none else.
I Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of
godliness: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, justified in the
Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on
in the world, received up into glory.
I John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid
down HIS LIFE for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the
brethren.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with
you, and yet HAST THOU NOT KNOWN ME, Phillip? HE THAT HATH SEEN
ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the
Father?
Scum like John Wolf don't care what the Bible says regarding
their man made idol god squad. Gentle reader, I pray that you
won't spend eternity with John Wolf and filth like him.
Pastor Steve Winter http://www.heathenholidays.com
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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| User: "Dichard Rawkins" |
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16 Apr 2006 09:04:54 PM |
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"Bible John" <johnw_94020@yahoo.comPDA> wrote in message
news:1245qrnp1obj7d2@corp.supernews.com...
I hope everyone here had a wonderful Easter, but sadly most of you do not
know what Easter is about. Easter I'm afraid is not about the Easter bunny
and candy (not saying the candy does not taste good) but Easter is about
the
resurrection of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the one that takes away the sins
of the world.
The original meaning of Easter is the pagan holiday dedicated to the ancient
Teutonic goddess of spring and fertility, and in fact is still to this day
named after her. Rabbits, eggs, etc. are all fertility symbols left over
from that time. Therefore the "Easter bunny" actually has more to do with
the original meaning of Easter than the modern Christian mythology does.
http://wilstar.com/holidays/easter.htm
http://www.wonderfulworldtomorrow.org/article.html
http://www.religioustolerance.org/easter1.htm
http://www.historychannel.com/easter/?page=pagan
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| User: "Dichard Rawkins" |
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16 Apr 2006 09:07:21 PM |
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"Bible John" <johnw_94020@yahoo.comPDA> wrote in message
news:1245qrnp1obj7d2@corp.supernews.com...
We at CER Ministries love you
That's silly. How can you love someone of whom you are not even aware?
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| User: "Tim Daly" |
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16 Apr 2006 08:42:26 PM |
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Bible John wrote:
Dear Jesus,
I know that I am a sinner. I know that without you I am dead in my sins,
and will spend eternity with Satan and his angels in the Lake of Fire. Jesus
I want you to give me a new heart, I want you to forgive me of all my sin.
Please come into my life right know Jesus.
Friends if you prayed this simple prayer, the bible says you got saved. If
this is you, please email me and I would like to send some materials to you,
to help you in your walk with God. I would also like to help you find a bible
based church in your area.
Please explain where in the Bible the prayer you wrote above is. I
have never seen it before, has anyone else?
We at CER Ministries love you, and hope to hear from you very soon.
I understand you like to send pictures by email of the people on this
newsgroup and call them fat. Is that part of what your ministry does
to show people you love them? And who is "We at CER Ministries"? Is
there a staff besides yourself? Who appointed you director of the
ministry? Are you ordained? Do you have a degree in Bible? Theology?
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| User: "Bible John" |
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17 Apr 2006 12:39:52 AM |
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1 Pet 3:15-But sanctify the Lord God[a] in your hearts, and always be ready
to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in
you, with meekness and fear
CERM-Church Education Resource Ministries
Founder and director
http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible
"Tim Daly" <live4himdaily@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1145238146.695232.102390@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Bible John wrote:
Dear Jesus,
I know that I am a sinner. I know that without you I am dead in my sins,
and will spend eternity with Satan and his angels in the Lake of Fire.
Jesus
I want you to give me a new heart, I want you to forgive me of all my
sin.
Please come into my life right know Jesus.
Friends if you prayed this simple prayer, the bible says you got saved.
If
this is you, please email me and I would like to send some materials to
you,
to help you in your walk with God. I would also like to help you find a
bible
based church in your area.
Please explain where in the Bible the prayer you wrote above is. I
have never seen it before, has anyone else?
We at CER Ministries love you, and hope to hear from you very soon.
I understand you like to send pictures by email of the people on this
newsgroup and call them fat. Is that part of what your ministry does
to show people you love them? And who is "We at CER Ministries"? Is
there a staff besides yourself? Who appointed you director of the
ministry? Are you ordained? Do you have a degree in Bible? Theology?
Nice try. You are one of Jason or Uncle Davey's socks under that sick
stalker Daniel Loeb.
I urge him to call me. Everything he says will be recorded, and say
anything bad, the tape will be given to the police. I bought a pack of
tapes just for such a occassion.
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| User: "ujb" |
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| Title: Re: The true meaning of Easter |
17 Apr 2006 07:21:45 AM |
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Bible John wrote:
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1 Pet 3:15-But sanctify the Lord God[a] in your hearts, and always be ready
to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in
you, with meekness and fear
CERM-Church Education Resource Ministries
Founder and director
http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible
"Tim Daly" <live4himdaily@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1145238146.695232.102390@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Bible John wrote:
Dear Jesus,
I know that I am a sinner. I know that without you I am dead in my sins,
and will spend eternity with Satan and his angels in the Lake of Fire.
Jesus
I want you to give me a new heart, I want you to forgive me of all my
sin.
Please come into my life right know Jesus.
Friends if you prayed this simple prayer, the bible says you got saved.
If
this is you, please email me and I would like to send some materials to
you,
to help you in your walk with God. I would also like to help you find a
bible
based church in your area.
Please explain where in the Bible the prayer you wrote above is. I
have never seen it before, has anyone else?
We at CER Ministries love you, and hope to hear from you very soon.
I understand you like to send pictures by email of the people on this
newsgroup and call them fat. Is that part of what your ministry does
to show people you love them? And who is "We at CER Ministries"? Is
there a staff besides yourself? Who appointed you director of the
ministry? Are you ordained? Do you have a degree in Bible? Theology?
Nice try. You are one of Jason or Uncle Davey's socks under that sick
stalker Daniel Loeb.
I urge him to call me. Everything he says will be recorded, and say
anything bad, the tape will be given to the police. I bought a pack of
tapes just for such a occassion.
Why would any one talk with you when you are so sick as to give out names on a
radio show? What you say you do best shows you are as wacko as nuterly. Even
the scrambled one has advised not to give you personal info!
ujb
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| User: "Tim Daly" |
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| Title: Re: The true meaning of Easter |
17 Apr 2006 12:25:13 PM |
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Bible John wrote:
Nice try. You are one of Jason or Uncle Davey's socks under that sick
stalker Daniel Loeb.
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. What is a sock?
I am a new member of this newsgroup and am interested in your ministry.
Could you please answer my questions? I want to see if your ministry
is something I want to be involved in and I am not trying to do
anything underhanded.
thank you
Tim
2 Tim. 4:2
"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke,
exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine."
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The true meaning of Easter |
17 Apr 2006 06:42:19 AM |
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Bible John wrote:
Easter is about the
resurrection of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the one that takes away the sins
of the world.
Dont think so...Did you know that the very name "Easter," is of
pagan origin? Says an early eighteenth-century Catholic scholar, a
Benedictine monk, in a work that may well be said to have been the
forerunner of the modern Bible dictionary:
"Easter is a word of Saxon origin; and imports a goddess of the
Saxons, or rather, of the East, Estera, in honor of whom sacrifices
being annually offered about the passover time of the year (spring),
the name became attached by association of ideas to the Christian
festival of the resurrection which happened at the time of passover;
hence we say Easter-Day or Easter Sunday, but very improperly; as we by
no means refer to the festival then kept to the goddess of the ancient
Saxons."
To the same effect testify other authorities, from the eighth-century
English historian Bede to the lastest encyclopedias.
Concerning the use of hot cross buns at Easter time we are told:
"Like the Greeks, the Romans ate bread marked with a cross . . . at
public sacrifices, such bread being usually purchased at the doors of
the temple and then taken in with them-a custom alluded to by
St. Paul in 1 Cor. x. 28. The cross-bread was eaten by pagan Saxons
in honour of Easter, their goddess of light. The Mexicans and Peruvians
are shown to have had a similar custom. The custom, in fact, was
practically universal, and the early Church adroitly adopted the
practice, grafting it on to the Eucharist and so giving us the hot
crossbun."
What about the Easter eggs? It is a well-known fact that in the ancient
pagan cosmogonies, or theories about the origin of the universe, the
egg looms up prominently. One tells of the "Egg of Light," another
of the "World-Egg." From one or another of these eggs was supposed
to have issued the first god, the Maker and Ruler of the World. Eros,
the god of "love," is also said to have issued forth from an egg.
True, some claim that the use of eggs at Easter is due to the fact that
at one time eggs were banned during Lent, but this does not explain the
featuring of eggs on Easter ever since that ban was lifted and now when
eggs can be eaten all during Lent. Neither does it explain why the same
prominence is not given to other foods that are still banned during
Lent and that may be eaten only beginning with Easter. The eating of
ham on Easter does not prove the contrary, for it began to be featured
in Easter dinners for an entirely different purpose. Says one
authority: "Many American Catholics have a boiled ham for dinner on
Easter without being aware of the origin of the custom. It is a
survival of the ancient habit among the English of eating a gammon of
bacon on that day to show their contempt for the Jewish custom of not
eating pork."
The more pertinent explanation for eating eggs on Easter is that found
in The Catholic Encyclopedia: "The custom may have its origin in
paganism, for a great many pagan customs, celebrating the return of
spring, gravitated to Easter. The egg is the emblem of the germinating
life of early spring."
Concerning the Easter bunny, this same religious authority states:
"The Easter Rabbit lays the eggs, for which reason they are hidden in
a nest or in the garden. The rabbit is a pagan symbol and has always
been an emblem of fertility."
Even the early Easter sunrise service is not without pagan antecedents.
"According to old superstition, the sun rising on Easter morning
dances in the heavens; this belief has been traced to old heathen
festivals of spring, when the spectators danced in honor to the
sun."7
And the same must be said of the impressive ceremony that takes place
throughout Christendom on the day before Easter in which new fire is
blessed and certain candles and lamps are lit. A detailed description
of this ceremony includes the following: "The obtaining and blessing
of the new fire is probably a rite of Celtic or even pagan origin,
incorporated in the Gallican Church service of the eighth century."
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Koi-Lo wrote:
<geister@mailinator.com> *JABRIOL* wrote in message
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Bible John wrote:
Easter is about the
In view of all the foregoing what should be the attitude of those who
would please God toward the celebration of Easter together with all its
pagan appendages? As already noted, neither Jesus nor any of his
apostles established any Christian festival days. Nor was this any mere
oversight, as shown by Paul's rebuke to the Christians at Galatia:
"How is it that you are turning back again to the weak and beggarly
elementary things and want to slave for them over again? You are
scrupulously observing days and months and seasons and years."-Gal.
4:9-11.
Even more strongly condemned in the Scriptures is the comingling of
paganism with the worship of the one true God: "Flee from idolatry.
.. . . What, then, am I to say? That what is sacrificed to an idol is
anything, or that an idol is anything? No; but I say that the things
which the nations sacrifice they sacrifice to demons, and not to God;
and I do not want you to become sharers with the demons. You cannot be
drinking the cup of Jehovah and the cup of demons; you cannot be
partaking of 'the table of Jehovah' and the table of demons. Or
'are we inciting Jehovah to jealousy'? We are not stronger than he
is, are we?" Paganism is the product of Satan and his demons, and to
mix it with Christianity is an affront to Jehovah God that he will not
permit to go unnoticed, for he is "a God exacting exclusive
devotion."-1 Cor. 10:14-22; Ex. 20:5.
The adopting of pagan appendages in Christian worship is also ruled out
with these words: "What fellowship does light have with darkness?
Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what
portion does a faithful person have with an unbeliever? And what
agreement does God's temple have with idols?" None whatever.
"'Therefore get out from among them, and separate yourselves,'
says Jehovah, 'and quit touching the unclean thing"'; "'and I
will take you in.'" Godless paganism is part of this unclean world,
and Christians must keep themselves "without spot from the
world."-2 Cor. 6:14-18; Jas. 1:27.
Yes, what a discredit to associate such pagan appendages as hot cross
buns, eggs, rabbits or hares, eternal fire and suchlike with the
greatest of all miracles, the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Son of
God, from the dead, one of the paramount truths of Christianity! True,
children need entertainment-and adults too-but surely there are
better forms than those that make a pagan caricature of the great
truths of God's Word!
Christians show appreciation for the miracle of Christ's
resurrection, not by celebrating a certain day set aside by some
ancient council of men, and doing so with pagan appendages, but by
accepting by faith the fact of Jesus' resurrection and by letting it
give them hope for their dead loved ones and for themselves and then
letting that hope spur them on to serve Jehovah God with all their
heart, mind, soul and strength.-Mark 12:30; 1 Cor. 15:58.
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18 Apr 2006 10:59:24 AM |
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On 18 Apr 2006 04:44:16 -0700, wrote:
copyright 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of
this article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the author
Koi-Lo wrote:
<geister@mailinator.com> *JABRIOL* wrote in message
news:1145274138.987525.72280@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Bible John wrote:
Easter is about the
In view of all the foregoing what should be the attitude of those who
would please God toward the celebration of Easter together with all its
pagan appendages? As already noted, neither Jesus nor any of his
apostles established any Christian festival days. Nor was this any mere
oversight, as shown by Paul's rebuke to the Christians at Galatia:
"How is it that you are turning back again to the weak and beggarly
elementary things and want to slave for them over again? You are
scrupulously observing days and months and seasons and years."-Gal.
4:9-11.
Ask a Christian what the holiday "Easter" represents. He will tell
you, "For Christians, it represents our celebration of the bodily
resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead."
THAT is the ONLY issue that matters. IT doesn't matter how 10 BILLION
or 10 TRILLION other people celebrate the occasion.
And we as Christians welcome "other traditions" because Christianity
strives -- as Christ did-- to be INCLUSIVE.
We do not say to the Buddhist-turned-Christian, for instance, "your
Easter traditions are not welcome." We do not say to the
Rosicrucianist-turned-Christian, "your Rosicrucianist Easter
traditions are not welcome."
You quote very selectively, meaning you verge on Pharisee ism. Those I
call "bean counters". Rather than relaxing and basking in the glow of
their salvation, they walk around with an abacus and a pen and paper,
making note of "every little sin."
Paul said, "some observe holidays, festivals, new moons; some do not.
To some, some days are special; to others, every day is just like the
next. Let each of you do as he believes pleases God."
Your conscience need not be my conscience, nor mine yours.
Should I refuse to eat hot cross buns because you were never fed hot
cross buns as a child? Or shall I introduce you to hot cross buns?
(who knows? You might even enjoy them?)
Even more strongly condemned in the Scriptures is the comingling of
paganism with the worship of the one true God: "Flee from idolatry.
I know no Christian who bows before an Easter bunny and prays. I know
of no Christian who bows before a Christmas tree and prays.
You need to define idolatry. Idolatry would be what you see when you
enter a Roman Catholic cathedral and you see a dozen statues (idols)
of various "saints" including Mary and "St Peter", and you see people
actually kneeling before those idols, and they are actually praying to
the idol.
THAT is "idolatry." THAT is forbidden.
. . . What, then, am I to say? That what is sacrificed to an idol is
anything, or that an idol is anything? No; but I say that the things
which the nations sacrifice they sacrifice to demons, and not to God;
and I do not want you to become sharers with the demons. You cannot be
drinking the cup of Jehovah and the cup of demons; you cannot be
partaking of 'the table of Jehovah' and the table of demons. Or
'are we inciting Jehovah to jealousy'? We are not stronger than he
is, are we?" Paganism is the product of Satan and his demons, and to
mix it with Christianity is an affront to Jehovah God that he will not
permit to go unnoticed, for he is "a God exacting exclusive
devotion."-1 Cor. 10:14-22; Ex. 20:5.
The adopting of pagan appendages in Christian worship is also ruled out
with these words: "What fellowship does light have with darkness?
If that is your interpretation, that is fine. You certainly are
welcome to share your interpretation with others; just don't get in a
tiff if / when other (like me) don't share your interpretation.
For me, "light fellowshipping with darkness" would include a person
holding a "rosary" (idol - crucifix with "prayer beads), chanting.
THAT is "light fellowshipping with darkness", as the person claims to
be a "Christian", yet they are actively involved in very specific
forbidden practices. They are cherishing an idol (a carved image of
our Lord, dead on a cross), and they are chanting (repeating "prayers"
over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, as
if God didn't hear their "prayer" the first time.)
Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Belial?
Do you ever get past the "catch phrases" and just express your
thoughts?
Or do you have any thoughts of your own?
God bless!
john w
Or what
portion does a faithful person have with an unbeliever? And what
agreement does God's temple have with idols?" None whatever.
"'Therefore get out from among them, and separate yourselves,'
says Jehovah, 'and quit touching the unclean thing"'; "'and I
will take you in.'" Godless paganism is part of this unclean world,
and Christians must keep themselves "without spot from the
world."-2 Cor. 6:14-18; Jas. 1:27.
Yes, what a discredit to associate such pagan appendages as hot cross
buns, eggs, rabbits or hares, eternal fire and suchlike with the
greatest of all miracles, the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Son of
God, from the dead, one of the paramount truths of Christianity! True,
children need entertainment-and adults too-but surely there are
better forms than those that make a pagan caricature of the great
truths of God's Word!
Christians show appreciation for the miracle of Christ's
resurrection, not by celebrating a certain day set aside by some
ancient council of men, and doing so with pagan appendages, but by
accepting by faith the fact of Jesus' resurrection and by letting it
give them hope for their dead loved ones and for themselves and then
letting that hope spur them on to serve Jehovah God with all their
heart, mind, soul and strength.-Mark 12:30; 1 Cor. 15:58.
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"john w @yoo.hoo>" <johnw<no_spam> wrote in message
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On 18 Apr 2006 04:44:16 -0700, wrote:
copyright 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of
this article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the author
Koi-Lo wrote:
<geister@mailinator.com> *JABRIOL* wrote in message
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Bible John wrote:
Easter is about the
In view of all the foregoing what should be the attitude of those who
would please God toward the celebration of Easter together with all its
pagan appendages? As already noted, neither Jesus nor any of his
apostles established any Christian festival days. Nor was this any mere
oversight, as shown by Paul's rebuke to the Christians at Galatia:
"How is it that you are turning back again to the weak and beggarly
elementary things and want to slave for them over again? You are
scrupulously observing days and months and seasons and years."-Gal.
4:9-11.
Ask a Christian what the holiday "Easter" represents. He will tell
you, "For Christians, it represents our celebration of the bodily
resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead."
THAT is the ONLY issue that matters. IT doesn't matter how 10 BILLION
or 10 TRILLION other people celebrate the occasion.
And we as Christians welcome "other traditions" because Christianity
strives -- as Christ did-- to be INCLUSIVE.
We do not say to the Buddhist-turned-Christian, for instance, "your
Easter traditions are not welcome." We do not say to the
Rosicrucianist-turned-Christian, "your Rosicrucianist Easter
traditions are not welcome."
You quote very selectively, meaning you verge on Pharisee ism. Those I
call "bean counters". Rather than relaxing and basking in the glow of
their salvation, they walk around with an abacus and a pen and paper,
making note of "every little sin."
Paul said, "some observe holidays, festivals, new moons; some do not.
To some, some days are special; to others, every day is just like the
next. Let each of you do as he believes pleases God."
Your conscience need not be my conscience, nor mine yours.
Should I refuse to eat hot cross buns because you were never fed hot
cross buns as a child? Or shall I introduce you to hot cross buns?
(who knows? You might even enjoy them?)
Even more strongly condemned in the Scriptures is the comingling of
paganism with the worship of the one true God: "Flee from idolatry.
I know no Christian who bows before an Easter bunny and prays. I know
of no Christian who bows before a Christmas tree and prays.
You need to define idolatry. Idolatry would be what you see when you
enter a Roman Catholic cathedral and you see a dozen statues (idols)
of various "saints" including Mary and "St Peter", and you see people
actually kneeling before those idols, and they are actually praying to
the idol.
THAT is "idolatry." THAT is forbidden.
. . . What, then, am I to say? That what is sacrificed to an idol is
anything, or that an idol is anything? No; but I say that the things
which the nations sacrifice they sacrifice to demons, and not to God;
and I do not want you to become sharers with the demons. You cannot be
drinking the cup of Jehovah and the cup of demons; you cannot be
partaking of 'the table of Jehovah' and the table of demons. Or
'are we inciting Jehovah to jealousy'? We are not stronger than he
is, are we?" Paganism is the product of Satan and his demons, and to
mix it with Christianity is an affront to Jehovah God that he will not
permit to go unnoticed, for he is "a God exacting exclusive
devotion."-1 Cor. 10:14-22; Ex. 20:5.
The adopting of pagan appendages in Christian worship is also ruled out
with these words: "What fellowship does light have with darkness?
If that is your interpretation, that is fine. You certainly are
welcome to share your interpretation with others; just don't get in a
tiff if / when other (like me) don't share your interpretation.
For me, "light fellowshipping with darkness" would include a person
holding a "rosary" (idol - crucifix with "prayer beads), chanting.
THAT is "light fellowshipping with darkness", as the person claims to
be a "Christian", yet they are actively involved in very specific
forbidden practices. They are cherishing an idol (a carved image of
our Lord, dead on a cross), and they are chanting (repeating "prayers"
over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, as
if God didn't hear their "prayer" the first time.)
Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Belial?
Do you ever get past the "catch phrases" and just express your
thoughts?
Or do you have any thoughts of your own?
God bless!
john w
Or what
portion does a faithful person have with an unbeliever? And what
agreement does God's temple have with idols?" None whatever.
"'Therefore get out from among them, and separate yourselves,'
says Jehovah, 'and quit touching the unclean thing"'; "'and I
will take you in.'" Godless paganism is part of this unclean world,
and Christians must keep themselves "without spot from the
world."-2 Cor. 6:14-18; Jas. 1:27.
Yes, what a discredit to associate such pagan appendages as hot cross
buns, eggs, rabbits or hares, eternal fire and suchlike with the
greatest of all miracles, the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Son of
God, from the dead, one of the paramount truths of Christianity! True,
children need entertainment-and adults too-but surely there are
better forms than those that make a pagan caricature of the great
truths of God's Word!
Christians show appreciation for the miracle of Christ's
resurrection, not by celebrating a certain day set aside by some
ancient council of men, and doing so with pagan appendages, but by
accepting by faith the fact of Jesus' resurrection and by letting it
give them hope for their dead loved ones and for themselves and then
letting that hope spur them on to serve Jehovah God with all their
heart, mind, soul and strength.-Mark 12:30; 1 Cor. 15:58.
Lest Weatherly, or anyone else, be under the impression that he's not really
being archived, the above is a post, unedited, exactly as it appears in the
Weatherly archive. It's from April 18th of this year.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Catholic. But I found the poster's slam on
repetitive prayer unfair and probably ill-informed.
God knows what we pray for before we pray. But it is His will that we pray
"incessantly" - 1 Thess. 5:17. I dunno about you, but I can't pray
"incessantly" without being repetitious. If I repeat some of the same
prayers day to day, I don't feel God frowns on me doing it minute to
minute.Do you?
Sometimes I purposely repeat parts of prayers so as to tune out distractions
and pay better attention to God. He knows that my flesh is weak, and that I
live in a world of escalating din, chatter & distraction. Yes, Christians
close our doors to pray - Matt. 6:6. But some of us -- count me in --
sometimes need help to keep focussed, even in the privacy of a room, a bed,
wherever. In prayer time, I find myself sometimes repeating silently, Your
will is holy, heavely Father, your love is all I need [for example]. This
seems to help me get into the deeper part of my prayers. Do you say God
rejects my prayer if I utter that phrase, or some other one, 3X, 4X, 6X
....instead of once?
I have never used a rosary. I understand the main feature is woden beads. If
I were to count my prayers on beads as a method of concentration or
intensification -- and not "thinking I will get a hearing for repeating many
words" -- would the writer call this sinful? Why?
As a side light on repetition, I understand that communication scientists
consider about 80% of the conversation between family members to be
repetitive. What would the poster make of THAT?
John Gardner.
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On 18 Apr 2006 04:44:16 -0700, wrote:
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this article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
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Koi-Lo wrote:
<geister@mailinator.com> *JABRIOL* wrote in message
news:1145274138.987525.72280@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Bible John wrote:
Easter is about the
In view of all the foregoing what should be the attitude of those who
would please God toward the celebration of Easter together with all its
pagan appendages? As already noted, neither Jesus nor any of his
apostles established any Christian festival days. Nor was this any mere
oversight, as shown by Paul's rebuke to the Christians at Galatia:
"How is it that you are turning back again to the weak and beggarly
elementary things and want to slave for them over again? You are
scrupulously observing days and months and seasons and years."-Gal.
4:9-11.
Ask a Christian what the holiday "Easter" represents. He will tell
you, "For Christians, it represents our celebration of the bodily
resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead."
THAT is the ONLY issue that matters. IT doesn't matter how 10 BILLION
or 10 TRILLION other people celebrate the occasion.
And we as Christians welcome "other traditions" because Christianity
strives -- as Christ did-- to be INCLUSIVE.
We do not say to the Buddhist-turned-Christian, for instance, "your
Easter traditions are not welcome." We do not say to the
Rosicrucianist-turned-Christian, "your Rosicrucianist Easter
traditions are not welcome."
You quote very selectively, meaning you verge on Pharisee ism. Those I
call "bean counters". Rather than relaxing and basking in the glow of
their salvation, they walk around with an abacus and a pen and paper,
making note of "every little sin."
Paul said, "some observe holidays, festivals, new moons; some do not.
To some, some days are special; to others, every day is just like the
next. Let each of you do as he believes pleases God."
Your conscience need not be my conscience, nor mine yours.
Should I refuse to eat hot cross buns because you were never fed hot
cross buns as a child? Or shall I introduce you to hot cross buns?
(who knows? You might even enjoy them?)
Even more strongly condemned in the Scriptures is the comingling of
paganism with the worship of the one true God: "Flee from idolatry.
I know no Christian who bows before an Easter bunny and prays. I know
of no Christian who bows before a Christmas tree and prays.
You need to define idolatry. Idolatry would be what you see when you
enter a Roman Catholic cathedral and you see a dozen statues (idols)
of various "saints" including Mary and "St Peter", and you see people
actually kneeling before those idols, and they are actually praying to
the idol.
THAT is "idolatry." THAT is forbidden.
. . . What, then, am I to say? That what is sacrificed to an idol is
anything, or that an idol is anything? No; but I say that the things
which the nations sacrifice they sacrifice to demons, and not to God;
and I do not want you to become sharers with the demons. You cannot be
drinking the cup of Jehovah and the cup of demons; you cannot be
partaking of 'the table of Jehovah' and the table of demons. Or
'are we inciting Jehovah to jealousy'? We are not stronger than he
is, are we?" Paganism is the product of Satan and his demons, and to
mix it with Christianity is an affront to Jehovah God that he will not
permit to go unnoticed, for he is "a God exacting exclusive
devotion."-1 Cor. 10:14-22; Ex. 20:5.
The adopting of pagan appendages in Christian worship is also ruled out
with these words: "What fellowship does light have with darkness?
If that is your interpretation, that is fine. You certainly are
welcome to share your interpretation with others; just don't get in a
tiff if / when other (like me) don't share your interpretation.
For me, "light fellowshipping with darkness" would include a person
holding a "rosary" (idol - crucifix with "prayer beads), chanting.
THAT is "light fellowshipping with darkness", as the person claims to
be a "Christian", yet they are actively involved in very specific
forbidden practices. They are cherishing an idol (a carved image of
our Lord, dead on a cross), and they are chanting (repeating "prayers"
over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, as
if God didn't hear their "prayer" the first time.)
Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Belial?
Do you ever get past the "catch phrases" and just express your
thoughts?
Or do you have any thoughts of your own?
God bless!
john w
Or what
portion does a faithful person have with an unbeliever? And what
agreement does God's temple have with idols?" None whatever.
"'Therefore get out from among them, and separate yourselves,'
says Jehovah, 'and quit touching the unclean thing"'; "'and I
will take you in.'" Godless paganism is part of this unclean world,
and Christians must keep themselves "without spot from the
world."-2 Cor. 6:14-18; Jas. 1:27.
Yes, what a discredit to associate such pagan appendages as hot cross
buns, eggs, rabbits or hares, eternal fire and suchlike with the
greatest of all miracles, the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Son of
God, from the dead, one of the paramount truths of Christianity! True,
children need entertainment-and adults too-but surely there are
better forms than those that make a pagan caricature of the great
truths of God's Word!
Christians show appreciation for the miracle of Christ's
resurrection, not by celebrating a certain day set aside by some
ancient council of men, and doing so with pagan appendages, but by
accepting by faith the fact of Jesus' resurrection and by letting it
give them hope for their dead loved ones and for themselves and then
letting that hope spur them on to serve Jehovah God with all their
heart, mind, soul and strength.-Mark 12:30; 1 Cor. 15:58.
Lest Weatherly, or anyone else, be under the impression that he's not
really being archived, the above is a post, unedited, exactly as it
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11 Oct 2006 04:07:36 PM |
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On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:43:54 GMT, "The Gardners"
<gardner1018@shaw.ca> spake thusly:
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Catholic. But I found
the poster's slam on repetitive prayer unfair and
probably ill-informed.
"But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen
do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much
speaking." - Matthew 6:7
God knows what we pray for before we pray. But it is
His will that we pray "incessantly" - 1 Thess. 5:17.
I dunno about you, but I can't pray "incessantly"
without being repetitious.
If I repeat some of the same prayers day to day
There is a difference between saying the same prayer each day,
for example and saying the same prayer repeatedly, over and
over in the same instance of praying, thinking that because
you keep repeating it, you will be heard more so.
I.e., Jesus is addressing the idea behind the repetition,
not the repeating of the same prayer each day.
I don't feel God frowns on me doing it minute
to minute.Do you?
See above. :)
Sometimes I purposely repeat parts of prayers so as to
tune out distractions and pay better attention to God.
But your attitude is fine. That is the point. You know that
you are doing it, to devote more of yourself to God at that
moment. Catholics do it, because they think "50 Hail Mary's"
will get them heard. (:
--
Giant Waffle
My heart rejoices in the Lord; My horn is exalted in the Lord.
I smile at my enemies, because I rejoice in Your salvation.
- 1 Samuel 2:1
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11 Oct 2006 01:22:55 PM |
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"Dave" <noneedforyoutoknow@nospam.com> wrote in message
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| User: "B. R. Robertson" |
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11 Oct 2006 11:42:23 PM |
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This is off topic for a pond keepers group.
"Dave" <noneedforyoutoknow@nospam.com> wrote in message
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On 18 Apr 2006 04:44:16 -0700, wrote:
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Koi-Lo wrote:
<geister@mailinator.com> *JABRIOL* wrote in message
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Bible John wrote:
Easter is about the
In view of all the foregoing what should be the attitude of those who
would please God toward the celebration of Easter together with all its
pagan appendages? As already noted, neither Jesus nor any of his
apostles established any Christian festival days. Nor was this any mere
oversight, as shown by Paul's rebuke to the Christians at Galatia:
"How is it that you are turning back again to the weak and beggarly
elementary things and want to slave for them over again? You are
scrupulously observing days and months and seasons and years."-Gal.
4:9-11.
Ask a Christian what the holiday "Easter" represents. He will tell
you, "For Christians, it represents our celebration of the bodily
resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead."
THAT is the ONLY issue that matters. IT doesn't matter how 10 BILLION
or 10 TRILLION other people celebrate the occasion.
And we as Christians welcome "other traditions" because Christianity
strives -- as Christ did-- to be INCLUSIVE.
We do not say to the Buddhist-turned-Christian, for instance, "your
Easter traditions are not welcome." We do not say to the
Rosicrucianist-turned-Christian, "your Rosicrucianist Easter
traditions are not welcome."
You quote very selectively, meaning you verge on Pharisee ism. Those I
call "bean counters". Rather than relaxing and basking in the glow of
their salvation, they walk around with an abacus and a pen and paper,
making note of "every little sin."
Paul said, "some observe holidays, festivals, new moons; some do not.
To some, some days are special; to others, every day is just like the
next. Let each of you do as he believes pleases God."
Your conscience need not be my conscience, nor mine yours.
Should I refuse to eat hot cross buns because you were never fed hot
cross buns as a child? Or shall I introduce you to hot cross buns?
(who knows? You might even enjoy them?)
Even more strongly condemned in the Scriptures is the comingling of
paganism with the worship of the one true God: "Flee from idolatry.
I know no Christian who bows before an Easter bunny and prays. I know
of no Christian who bows before a Christmas tree and prays.
You need to define idolatry. Idolatry would be what you see when you
enter a Roman Catholic cathedral and you see a dozen statues (idols)
of various "saints" including Mary and "St Peter", and you see people
actually kneeling before those idols, and they are actually praying to
the idol.
THAT is "idolatry." THAT is forbidden.
. . . What, then, am I to say? That what is sacrificed to an idol is
anything, or that an idol is anything? No; but I say that the things
which the nations sacrifice they sacrifice to demons, and not to God;
and I do not want you to become sharers with the demons. You cannot be
drinking the cup of Jehovah and the cup of demons; you cannot be
partaking of 'the table of Jehovah' and the table of demons. Or
'are we inciting Jehovah to jealousy'? We are not stronger than he
is, are we?" Paganism is the product of Satan and his demons, and to
mix it with Christianity is an affront to Jehovah God that he will not
permit to go unnoticed, for he is "a God exacting exclusive
devotion."-1 Cor. 10:14-22; Ex. 20:5.
The adopting of pagan appendages in Christian worship is also ruled out
with these words: "What fellowship does light have with darkness?
If that is your interpretation, that is fine. You certainly are
welcome to share your interpretation with others; just don't get in a
tiff if / when other (like me) don't share your interpretation.
For me, "light fellowshipping with darkness" would include a person
holding a "rosary" (idol - crucifix with "prayer beads), chanting.
THAT is "light fellowshipping with darkness", as the person claims to
be a "Christian", yet they are actively involved in very specific
forbidden practices. They are cherishing an idol (a carved image of
our Lord, dead on a cross), and they are chanting (repeating "prayers"
over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, as
if God didn't hear their "prayer" the first time.)
Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Belial?
Do you ever get past the "catch phrases" and just express your
thoughts?
Or do you have any thoughts of your own?
God bless!
john w
Or what
portion does a faithful person have with an unbeliever? And what
agreement does God's temple have with idols?" None whatever.
"'Therefore get out from among them, and separate yourselves,'
says Jehovah, 'and quit touching the unclean thing"'; "'and I
will take you in.'" Godless paganism is part of this unclean world,
and Christians must keep themselves "without spot from the
world."-2 Cor. 6:14-18; Jas. 1:27.
Yes, what a discredit to associate such pagan appendages as hot cross
buns, eggs, rabbits or hares, eternal fire and suchlike with the
greatest of all miracles, the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Son of
God, from the dead, one of the paramount truths of Christianity! True,
children need entertainment-and adults too-but surely there are
better forms than those that make a pagan caricature of the great
truths of God's Word!
Christians show appreciation for the miracle of Christ's
resurrection, not by celebrating a certain day set aside by some
ancient council of men, and doing so with pagan appendages, but by
accepting by faith the fact of Jesus' resurrection and by letting it
give them hope for their dead loved ones and for themselves and then
letting that hope spur them on to serve Jehovah God with all their
heart, mind, soul and strength.-Mark 12:30; 1 Cor. 15:58.
Lest Weatherly, or anyone else, be under the impression that he's not
really
being archived, the above is a post, unedited, exactly as it appears in
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Weatherly archive. It's from April 18th of this year.
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| Title: Re: The true meaning of Easter - TROLL ALERT!!!!! |
18 Apr 2006 11:26:49 AM |
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"john w @yoo.hoo>" <johnw<no_spam> wrote in message
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On 18 Apr 2006 04:44:16 -0700, wrote:
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You cross-posted your reply to a pond group. Do you keep fish or have an
aquarium in your home? Do you have a pond? If so, we would love to hear
about them. If not, then please remove the "rec.ponds" NG from your replies
to this cross-posted thread. Our fish are nonsectarian. :-)
Thanks
Meanwhile here are the FAQ's for your perusal.
rec.pond's FAQ are at:
http://www.geocities.com/justinm090/faq.html
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| User: "Koi-lo" |
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18 Apr 2006 11:40:42 AM |
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john w wrote:
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On 18 Apr 2006 04:44:16 -0700, wrote:
copyright 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of
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the author
Koi-Lo wrote:
<geister@mailinator.com> *JABRIOL* wrote in message
news:1145274138.987525.72280@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Bible John wrote:
Easter is about the
In view of all the foregoing what should be the attitude of those who
would please God toward the celebration of Easter together with all its
pagan appendages? As already noted, neither Jesus nor any of his
apostles established any Christian festival days. Nor was this any mere
oversight, as shown by Paul's rebuke to the Christians at Galatia:
"How is it that you are turning back again to the weak and beggarly
elementary things and want to slave for them over again? You are
scrupulously observing days and months and seasons and years."-Gal.
4:9-11.
Ask a Christian what the holiday "Easter" represents. He will tell
you, "For Christians, it represents our celebration of the bodily
resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead."
THAT is the ONLY issue that matters. IT doesn't matter how 10 BILLION
or 10 TRILLION other people celebrate the occasion.
Then why not call it "christ ressurection day" why give it a pagan
name?
And we as Christians welcome "other traditions" because Christianity
strives -- as Christ did-- to be INCLUSIVE.
You mat not know this... but Christ rejected judism.
We do not say to the Buddhist-turned-Christian, for instance, "your
Easter traditions are not welcome." We do not say to the
Rosicrucianist-turned-Christian, "your Rosicrucianist Easter
traditions are not welcome."
Easter tradition should not be celebrated period.
You quote very selectively, meaning you verge on Pharisee ism. Those I
call "bean counters". Rather than relaxing and basking in the glow of
their salvation, they walk around with an abacus and a pen and paper,
making note of "every little sin."
By your standard Pharisee-sm would be welcomed.
Paul said, "some observe holidays, festivals, new moons; some do not.
To some, some days are special; to others, every day is just like the
next. Let each of you do as he believes pleases God."
where is this located?
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18 Apr 2006 06:02:21 PM |
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On 18 Apr 2006 09:40:42 -0700, "Koi-lo" <zodriol@gmail.com> wrote:
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john w wrote:
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On 18 Apr 2006 04:44:16 -0700, wrote:
copyright 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of
this article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the author
Koi-Lo wrote:
<geister@mailinator.com> *JABRIOL* wrote in message
news:1145274138.987525.72280@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Bible John wrote:
Easter is about the
In view of all the foregoing what should be the attitude of those who
would please God toward the celebration of Easter together with all its
pagan appendages? As already noted, neither Jesus nor any of his
apostles established any Christian festival days. Nor was this any mere
oversight, as shown by Paul's rebuke to the Christians at Galatia:
"How is it that you are turning back again to the weak and beggarly
elementary things and want to slave for them over again? You are
scrupulously observing days and months and seasons and years."-Gal.
4:9-11.
Ask a Christian what the holiday "Easter" represents. He will tell
you, "For Christians, it represents our celebration of the bodily
resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead."
THAT is the ONLY issue that matters. IT doesn't matter how 10 BILLION
or 10 TRILLION other people celebrate the occasion.
Then why not call it "christ ressurection day" why give it a pagan
name?
You'd have to take that up with those who made that decision HUNDREDS
of years ago.
I am not going to debate the validity or invalidity of a decision that
was made LONG before our time.
You have also failed to come to grips with the FACT that you are under
absolutely NO obligation to celebrate Easter or Hanukah or Christmas
or Good Friday or New Years
if you choose not to.
For those of us who choose to observe those occasions, kindly allow us
to do so without throwing rocks or cold water.
And we as Christians welcome "other traditions" because Christianity
strives -- as Christ did-- to be INCLUSIVE.
You mat not know this... but Christ rejected judism.
That's "Judaism". You left out the "a".
And I disagree. Actually, what Jesus rejected was Phariseeism. (those
who checked everyone for the LETTER of the law, but were not
themselves living by it (which Jesus would know, since He could see
people's hearts).
Jesus taught the PUREST form of Judaism, "Love God with all your heart
(and act accordingly), and love one another as you love yourself."
Later modified to "love one another as I have first loved you."
He said to the inquirer ( I believe it was an apostle who asked,
"Lord, could you give us one or two laws, instead of the several
HUNDRED we have now?"
He said, "I will give you ONE. "Love God with all your heart!" (and
act accordingly) He paused a moment, considered, and said, "and I'll
even give you a 2nd. "Love one another!"
He paused to let that sink in, and said, "IF you fulfill those two
laws, you have fulfilled THE LAW."
As in, "All of God's laws are summarized in: Love God, and love your
fellow man."
We do not say to the Buddhist-turned-Christian, for instance, "your
Easter traditions are not welcome." We do not say to the
Rosicrucianist-turned-Christian, "your Rosicrucianist Easter
traditions are not welcome."
Easter tradition should not be celebrated period.
You certainly have that choice. However, if you stop and think, the
FACT that the apostles and the disciples were celebrating the
Resurrection the very day they found out about it (that first Easter
Sunday) SUGGESTS that celebrating the Resurrection is fine with God.
In fact, if you read carefully enough, the apostles/disciples were
gathered together that first Sunday (worshipping), and Jesus came and
worshipped with them.
I see NO rebuke. He was NOT upset that they were meeting and
worshiping on Sunday (as opposed to Sabbath)
If you read carefully, the same chapter (in John) says the very next
Sunday, they were again worshiping, Tom was with them this time, when
Jesus came to join their Sunday service once again. And this is the
FAMOUS Sunday service (begun on Easter) where He showed His scars to
Tom.
You quote very selectively, meaning you verge on Pharisee ism. Those I
call "bean counters". Rather than relaxing and basking in the glow of
their salvation, they walk around with an abacus and a pen and paper,
making note of "every little sin."
By your standard Pharisee-sm would be welcomed.
Not at all. Pharisees DEMAND that you see things their way, "or else."
I make no such demands on you or anyone else. I merely insist that you
allow me and others to disagree with you. You don't.
Paul said, "some observe holidays, festivals, new moons; some do not.
To some, some days are special; to others, every day is just like the
next. Let each of you do as he believes pleases God."
where is this located?
You are such a scholar, and you don't recognize one of the most
important passages in the New Testament?
I'll give you a HINT. IT's in the epistles.
Check out Romans 14.
It's a long passage, so I recommend you read the entire chapter, to
get the "context."
God bless!
john w
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19 Apr 2006 05:11:44 PM |
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In article <epqa421kbha6n41238p4ioqhaasordfid5@4ax.com>, john w
<johnw<no_spam>@yoo.hoo> wrote:
And I disagree. Actually, what Jesus rejected was Phariseeism. (those
who checked everyone for the LETTER of the law, but were not
themselves living by it (which Jesus would know, since He could see
people's hearts).
The evidence that Jesus rejected Phariseeism only comes originally from
Paul - who was obsessed with breaking the link between Judaism and
Christianity in order to create a Gentile faith in which the Judaic
scriptures supplied little more than imaginary predictions of Pauline
theological concepts.
Paul himself - despite his claims - shows no signs of a genuine Pharisaic
training
Paul's hatred of the Pharisees (he himself had worked for the Roman
Appointed High Priests Sadduccees in persecuting and murdering Christians)
was part of his appalling antisemitism
Jesus taught the PUREST form of Judaism, "Love God with all your heart
(and act accordingly), and love one another as you love yourself."
Later modified to "love one another as I have first loved you."
These are Pharisaic summations of the ten commandments. The Lord's Prayer
seems also to actually originate in Phariseeism.
By the way DO tell us the extent of your Rabbinical studies!!!!!!!!!!!!
He said to the inquirer ( I believe it was an apostle who asked,
"Lord, could you give us one or two laws, instead of the several
HUNDRED we have now?"
He said, "I will give you ONE. "Love God with all your heart!" (and
act accordingly) He paused a moment, considered, and said, "and I'll
even give you a 2nd. "Love one another!"
That is a very liberal interpretation of the Scripture. Jesus in fact
used an already existing Judaic formula summing up the essence of the ten
commandments. It was known long before his birth.
EVEN YOU DON'T REGARD IT AS THE FULL EXTENT OF GOD'S LAW -You are
constantly judging and demonising people for other reasons
He paused to let that sink in, and said, "IF you fulfill those two
laws, you have fulfilled THE LAW."
As in, "All of God's laws are summarized in: Love God, and love your
fellow man."
Nope - You have entirely missed the point of the summation. It is a
summary of the ten commandments not of Jewish law
Not at all. Pharisees DEMAND that you see things their way, "or else."
NOPE - YOU do - which would make you the "worst 'Pharisee' in your terms"
on this newsgroup. The Pharisees themselves discussed and argued
endlessly amongst themselves. Paul (the serial killer turned Church
leader) slandered them mercilessly as part of his antisemitism. This is
the core of Gospel hatred of them.
I make no such demands on you or anyone else. I merely insist that you
allow me and others to disagree with you. You don't.
Oh come off it you lying little *****
You call people who disagree with you "demons"
You are the most intolerant person here - and claim that is fine because
you are so sick (pity pity)
You disgust me with your hypocrisy!
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19 Apr 2006 08:51:36 AM |
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john w wrote:
THAT is the ONLY issue that matters. IT doesn't matter how 10 BILLION
or 10 TRILLION other people celebrate the occasion.
Then why not call it "christ ressurection day" why give it a pagan
name?
You'd have to take that up with those who made that decision HUNDREDS
of years ago.
I am not going to debate the validity or invalidity of a decision that
was made LONG before our time.
You have also failed to come to grips with the FACT that you are under
absolutely NO obligation to celebrate Easter or Hanukah or Christmas
or Good Friday or New Years
if you choose not to.
True
For those of us who choose to observe those occasions, kindly allow us
to do so without throwing rocks or cold water.
I see.. you Think Jesus is ok with this?
And we as Christians welcome "other traditions" because Christianity
strives -- as Christ did-- to be INCLUSIVE.
You mat not know this... but Christ rejected judism.
That's "Judaism". You left out the "a".
And I disagree. Actually, what Jesus rejected was Phariseeism.
misnomer... but still what Phariseeism? traditon bult on top of jewish
law.
Jesus taught the PUREST form of Judaism, "Love God with all your heart
(and act accordingly), and love one another as you love yourself."
Later modified to "love one another as I have first loved you."
True.. how does loving God permits us to mix in pagan tradion with true
worship?
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