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THE TRUTH THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO HEAR |
WHY =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2, I.E. JESUS, IS NOT THE JEWISH MESSIAH IF=
=D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=94 is the LORD
Many Christians claim that =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=94 is the LORD and Elohim, =
while his son
=D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2 is the Messiah.
All Jews reject this and rightfully so. If it were true, don't you
think there would be at least one passage in the old testament to that
effect, saying, oh, by the way, =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=94 has a son named =D7=
=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2 and he will
come as the Messiah?
But there is no such passage, not even the hint of such a passage, and
so the theory of these =E2=80=9CChristians=E2=80=9D is rightfully rejected b=
y almost
all Jews as unfounded according to the Jewish religion.
Now, my hypothesis, however distasteful it may be to Jews, is a
possibility they cannot altogether deny if they wish to be thought of
as rational human beings.
I claim that Moshe did not know the true identity of the LORD, and
this is signified by the fact that the LORD would not allow Moshe to
see HIS face, according to the account of Moshe's enlightenment
experience that is given in Exodus itself.
I claim that the true name of the LORD is =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2 or =
JHVSA or Jehoshua
Moshiach, aka Jesus Christ. I claim that JHVH is the Divine Name of
the angel Gabriel, even as I AM THAT I AM =3D EHYEH ASHER EHYEH =3D AHJH
ASR AHJH is the Divine Name of the angel Michael, who is the angel of
the LORD seen by Moshe in the burning bush. When it says that the
LORD knew Moshe face to face, it means that HE knew him face to face
through HIS angel, namely Michael as I AM THAT I AM. It is from
Michael that Moshe received his prophetic utterances, known
collectively as the Torah, even as Mohammed received his prophetic
utterances, known as the Koran, from the angel Gabriel.
The LORD HIMSELF was very clear that Moshe could not see HIS face,
i.e. know who and what HE truly is, and live. That is why the
teaching of Jehoshua Moshiach emphasized the willingness to die to see
G-D. Even Jesus Himself had to die in order to return to His own
rightful estate as the LORD G-D. The angel of the LORD, Michael =3D
Mahavatar Babaji =3D ABBA =3D the Heavenly Father of Jehoshua Moshiach,
while He was incarnated as Jesus Christ. Hence the statement of
Jesus: "Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or
else believe me for the very works' sake." (John 14:11)
My conjecture, if true, points to the reconciliation of the three
great monotheistic religions. The alternative is endless fighting,
for none of the three will relinquish their claims. The Jews suffer
more than anyone from the sin of Moshe in fabricating the name of the
LORD. The penalty for that sin, multiplied by the ongoing
participation of all Jews, was the destruction of the Temple and
diaspora, i.e. sangsara, that will last forever, unless the Jews
somehow discover the Truth and repent.
As a half Jew myself, I am not just proselytizing or evangelizing. I
am simply sharing what seems to work for me in finding a Truth of the
Bible that is not monstrous, but is instead both believable and
intelligible. Moreover, as a physicist interested in the foundations
of quantum theory, I am interested in finding a Truth that will answer
our deepest questions about reality. I believe I have found it.
THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D
The simple abbreviated truth is that Moses could only see the backside
of the LORD he saw in the burning bush, and so he could not discern
His true identity. You can't identify someone from behind, especially
if you don't already know who they are. The true name of the LORD was
and is JEHOSHUA, or JHVSA, not JHVH. The entire Torah and all
secondary literature is in a sense a great big fraud, and you can see
that if you go back to its origin in the actual experience of Moses as
described within the Torah itself. Dogma is only as good as the depth
of enlightenment of the one or ones fashioning the dogma.
BTW, Moses did see the angel of the LORD in the burning bush, and it
was the LORD through that same angel who knew him face to face. Never,
according to the Torah, was there face to face contact between the
LORD Himself and Moses. The LORD absolutely forbade that.
SCRIPTURAL PROOF OF MY CONJECTURE
From: http://www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm :
=E2=80=9CMighty God=E2=80=9D in Isaiah 9:6 is =E2=80=9CEl Gibor=E2=80=9D. T=
his is not exactly =E2=80=9CMighty
God,=E2=80=9D but close. =E2=80=9CStrong" is more correct (but it is differ=
ent from
strong of =E2=80=9Chazak=E2=80=9D). Here both El and Gibor are nouns =E2=80=
=93 this is short
full spell is =E2=80=9CEl Hu Gibor.=E2=80=9D
Anyway =E2=80=9CEl Gibor=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CGabriel=E2=80=9D are same thi=
ng. They both mean
=E2=80=9CStrong God.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CGabriel=E2=80=9D is an angel's name i=
n the Bible.
The word =E2=80=9CGibor=E2=80=9D in Isaiah 9:6 and the word =E2=80=9CGibor=
=E2=80=9D of Gabriel have
exactly the same root, and they are both the same word. The word
itself can also be translated as =E2=80=9CMan of God.=E2=80=9D [End Quote]
So, the very passage used by Christians to prove that Yeshua is the
Jewish Messiah, instead proves that Jews and Christians alike worship
the Antichrist, the Abomination of Desolation, namely the angel
Gabriel in the holy place of the LORD, where he ought not to sit.
Now the Gabriel that responds to the invocations of Jews and
Christians alike is NOT the holy angel Gabriel, for he would not
imposter the LORD. Rather, it is an astral plane imposter of the
angel Gabriel, who is himself a fallen angel of the worst sort.
All of the monstrosities of the old testament, as well as those same
monstrosities carried over into the new testament by the
misunderstandings of the disciples of Jesus, are the work of this
fallen angel imposter of the LORD.
Now, this is not to say that the formula in Isaiah is entirely false.
In Judaism the usual designation for the one that is worshipped is
=E2=80=9CLORD God.=E2=80=9D God, or El, aka Eloah, aka Elohim, is the suffi=
x found in
the name of each Archangel: Micha-el, Gibor-el, etc. Furthermore, it
is well-known that ALLAH comes from AL ILAH, where ILAH is equated to
ELOAH.
So, Islam is that religion wherein the angel of the LORD can actually
be the LORD, but that is not the case with Judaism, which is a
Messianic religion geared toward the advent of Jehoshua Moshiach, the
LORD, designated by the letters JHVSA. One can only conclude that the
child referred to in Isaiah 9:6 is Mohammad. He is called a child in
the same sense that Moshe is sometimes referred to as a child. There
may be a reference by implication to Moshiach, yet another child, but
the passage literally refers to Mohammad, the messenger of ALLAH
through the angel Gibor-el, whose Divine Name is JHVH.
Moshe was confused about this and all subsequent Jewish prophets and
rabbinical commentators were also confused. Moshe's confusion began
with his enlightenment experience, wherein he saw the LORD in the
burning bush, but only HIS back parts could he see. From that limited
experience, he could not properly identify the LORD.
HOW THE DELUSION THAT JHVH IS THE LORD BEGAN
I don't see a contradiction between the fact that Eve said she had
gotten a man from JHVH and the fact that the Patriarchs did not know
the name JHVH. Eve's delusion was that the LORD was JHVH. She got
that from the serpent. Moshe ben Adam inherited that delusion from
his line of Jewish mothers. What could be more natural. The delusion
had gone into remission at the time of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but
resurfaced again with Moshe.
Eve's belief that JHVH is the LORD is like an Oedipal complex. Its
remission at the time of the Patriarchs is like the period of
latency. Its re-emergence at the time of Moshe is like puberty, where
the Oedipal complex resurfaces, but this time resolved and integrated
into the social aspect of life. The question is whether the
integration into social life is adequate or psychotic. That is a
matter of personal judgment. I believe that the monstrosities of the
old testament tip the balance scale toward the psychotic. It would be
far better from the spiritual point of view to just uproot the Oedipal
complex altogether and establish a new foundation for the structure of
the psyche. That is the idea of a new testament and covenant.
THE SECRET DOCTRINE OF MONOTHEISM UNVEILED
Exodus
33:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh
unto his friend.
33:18 And he said, I beseech thee, show me thy glory.
33:19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I
will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious
to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show
mercy.
33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man
see me, and live.
33:21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou
shalt stand upon a rock:
33:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I
will put thee in a cleft of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand
while I pass by:
33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back
parts: but my face shall not be seen.
Deuteronomy
34:10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses,
whom the LORD knew face to face...
Now, how are we to understand this apparent contradiction? It is
essential, for the understanding of who and what G-D is depends upon
it. On the one hand, the LORD speaks to Moses face to face, and yet
Moses cannot see His face at all, but only His backside. Before we
make an attempt at an exegesis, we must consider also the following:
Exodus
3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out
of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned
with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
3:3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight,
why the bush is not burnt.
3:4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto
him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said,
Here am I.
3:5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy
feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.
3:6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham,
the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he
was afraid to look upon God.
3:13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of
Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me
unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say
unto them?
3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt
thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Now, before going futher we must consider one more piece of the
puzzle:
Exodus
6:1 Then the LORD said unto Moses, Now shalt thou see what I will do
to Pharaoh: for with a strong hand shall he let them go, and with a
strong hand shall he drive them out of his land.
6:2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:
6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the
name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
6:4 And I have also established my covenant with them, to give them
the land of Canaan, the land of their pilgrimage, wherein they were
strangers.
6:5 And I have also heard the groaning of the children of Israel, whom
the Egyptians keep in bondage; and I have remembered my covenant.
Moses only saw the backside of the LORD G-D, which means that he could
not really discern His true identity. Moses did see the angel of the
LORD, and then it says that God, not G-D, spoke unto Moses and
identified Himself as I AM THAT I AM, or AHJH ASR AHJH. From this and
the further revelation in Exodus 6:3, Moses and later other Rabbis
built up a doctrine to the effect that JHVH was the true name of the
LORD G-D. Later, they decided that JHVH was unutterable and should be
replaced by the emphatic form of Adonai, which is ADNJ. Meanwhile the
name of the LORD known to the Patriarchs was declared to be El
Shaddai, or AL SDJ.
Now, here is my conjecture:
The LORD that Moses actually heard speaking from the bush was not
JHVH, but rather JHVSA, or Jehoshua. It is easy to see how Moses
could have conflated the names, since they are so similar and Moses
could not really discern the true identity of the LORD G-D. All the
other names are names of various Lords, or Archangels, who are
manifestations of the LORD G-D. AHJH ASR AHJH =3D Michael, the angel of
the LORD. JHVH =3D Gabriel, second in command. ADNJ =3D Raphael, the
third of the angels who appeared to Abraham. AL SDJ =3D Michael, once
again. The LORD spoke to Moses face to face through his angel,
Michael, in the name and form of AHJH ASR AHJH. The LORD G-D Himself
informed Moses that Moses could not by any means see His face, or know
His true identity (at that time, because He did not yet wish to be
revealed).
Moshiach =3D Archangel Michael =3D angel of the LORD =3D Krishna =3D Mahavat=
ar
Babaji =3D Abba =3D Heavenly Father of Jesus =3D Master of Jesus while Jesus=
was incarnate =3D Servant of Jehoshua, whenever Jesus abides in His true
estate as the LORD G-D. The LORD G-D has no body, and hence when He
wishes to appear with form, He must either incarnate or appear through
His angel or any of the lesser angels. Angels do have form and
function =E2=80=93 that is their purpose. They are not ephemeral spirits, a=
s
some Christians believe.
Mahavatar Babaji as Krishna empowered Brahma to create this universe.
Hence the knowledge of the LORD G-D has to do with liberation from
this material world.
THE KEYS OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN
ACCORDING TO SAINT PETER
(MATTHEW 16:19)
La ilaha illa Al Ilah Muhammadur Rasulullah.
Sri Krishna Chaitanya, Prabhu Nityananda, Sri Advaita, Gadadhara,
Srivasadi, Guru Sadhu Shastra, Gauranga Mayavadi.
Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God (Gibor-El: =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=94), T=
he Everlasting
Father (Jor-El), The Prince of Peace (Kal-El). (Isaiah 9:6)
Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus (19:18) (I am the LORD: =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=
=D7=A2, Jehoshua
Moshiach, G-D), Numbers, Deuteronomy (6:5).
In addition to realizing Mind, two other things are necessary for the
attainment of Buddhahood. The first is the Great Refusal to worship
Self or Atma. Self-Realization does not mean worship at the level of
Self or Atma. Quite the contrary. The reason is that Self or Atma is
implicated in the material creation of Brahma, the Creator. To be
Self-satisfied is called Narcissism. One must be dissatisfied with
Self and with the entire material creation. That is the First Noble
Truth of the Buddha. It is that alone which enables you to go
higher.
The second requirement for Buddhahood is that one must refuse to
worship themultiplicity of Gods, which are underlings to the LORD, who
is G-D. Even =E2=80=9CThe Mighty God=E2=80=9D of Isaiah 9:6, who is =D7=99=
=D7=94=D7=95=D7=94, or JHVH, or
Jehovah, must not be worshipped, for He is only the angel named Gibor-
El, or Gabriel. Only the true LORD, who is =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2, =
or JHVSA, or
Jehoshua Moshiach, is to be worshipped. Jehoshua Moshiach is also the
hidden G-D, or Geometry of Divinity, which is the sum total of the
knowledge of the universe.
THE PROBLEM IN A NUTSHELL
The following quote is from:
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=3D261&letter=3DI&search=3D.=
...
In the order of greatness Isaiah is placed immediately after Moses by
the Rabbis; in some respects Isaiah surpasses even Moses, for he
reduced the commandments to six: honesty in dealing; sincerity in
speech; refusal of illicit gain; absence of corruption; aversion for
bloody deeds; contempt for evil (Mak. 24a). Later he reduced the six
to two=E2=80=94justice and charity (ib.). The chief merit of Isaiah's
prophecies is their consoling character, for while Moses said, =E2=80=9CThou=
shalt perish in the midst of the nation,=E2=80=9D Isaiah announced
deliverance. Ezekiel's consoling addresses compared with Isaiah=E2=80=99s a=
re
as the utterances of a villager to the speech of a courtier (Hag.
14a). Therefore consolation is awaiting him who sees Isaiah in a
dream (Ber. 57b). [End Quote]
So, you see, here is the problem in a nutshell. The rabbis indeed
departed from Torah and followed Isaiah instead. Isaiah's God is
Gibor-El or Gabriel (see Isaiah 9:6). It is undoubtedly true that
Moshe never wrote down the Torah, but that it was done by later
scribes and rabbis, who also had accepted the God of Isaiah and
rejected the LORD of Moshe. Hence they used the Tetragrammaton, which
is the Divine Name of the angel Gabriel, in place of the true name of
the LORD.
The rabbinical tradition and whole of modern Jewry, except perhaps for
full Torah Jews and the few who have accepted Jehoshua (Jesus) as
Moshiach, have in essence forsaken the LORD of Moshe in favor of the
God of Isaiah. From this false idol they derive great consolation and
the sense that as Jews they can do no wrong. How sadly mistaken they
are.
THE MOST IMPORTANT SPIRITUAL FIGURE IN THE HISTORY OF PLANET EARTH
Babaji is the most important figure in the spiritual history of planet
earth. He was known as Krishna in the East and Archangel Michael, the
angel of the LORD, in the West. Moses saw Him in the burning bush,
and all that is genuine about the old testament comes from Him. He
took the form of Babaji for the Incarnation of Jesus, who actually
called Him ABBA, or Aleph Beth Aleph in the Hebrew. He is the I AM
THAT I AM, or EHYEH ASHER EHYEH, or AHJH ASR AHJH in Hebrew letters.
He was the Heavenly Father of Jesus, while Jesus was incarnated in the
flesh.
In Buddhism, He is the Kalachakra deity, and He is well know by all
high lamas in Nepal and Tibet. He is Badrinarayan, and His ashram is
near Badrinath and has been there since his incarnation in 203 A.D.
He is fully enlightened and literally immortal. He is omniscient. He
is the bija of Zen enlightenment, the seed of Tara energy that leads
to the infinite consciousness of Avalokiteshvara =E2=80=93 gate gate paragat=
e
parasamgate bodhi svaha. OM KRIYA BABAJI NAMA AUM.
THE MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE POPE
Pope: He cited Lenin and the =E2=80=9Cintermediate phase=E2=80=9D of dictat=
orship
that Marx saw as necessary in the revolution. =E2=80=9CThis =E2=80=98interm=
ediate
phase=E2=80=99 we know all too well, and we also know how it then developed,=
not ushering in a perfect world, but leaving behind a trail of
appalling destruction,=E2=80=9D he wrote.
I am afraid the Pope, who does not entirely have my (Saint Peter=E2=80=99s)
blessing, misses the point here. Communism failed because it was
brought down by capitalism. The teaching of Jesus is Christ
Communism. See Matthew 6:24: Ye cannot serve God and mammon
[capital, capitalism].
The two greatest rabbis in modern times were Karl Marx and my Zen
teacher, Philip Kapleau, both of whom were Jews. Both Marx and
Kapleau were working in close communion with Sananda (the New Age name
of Jesus Christ). Sananda returned to earth on June 1, 1961 and
inspired the counterculture movement of the 60=E2=80=99s. When He comes
again, it will be to make the Revolution, once and for all! P.S. He
is coming in the spaceships of the Ashtar Command, which can defeat
the entire U.S. military in about 10 seconds.
ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT BARKER IS REALLY A DOG
On Dec 21, 3:32 pm, =E2=80=9CAllen L. Barker=E2=80=9D <a...@datafilter.com> =
wrote:
In _Zen Dawn in the West_ Kapleau tells a story which ends with,
=E2=80=9CThere is a sure way to distinguish an authentic master from a bogus=
one: He will not tolerate in his disciples an interest in or display
of siddhis.=E2=80=9D
Reply:
Oh, you deceiver!. These are not Kapleau's words, they are words of
someone in a story heard second hand by Kapleau. See. p. 57.
Kapleau's words (again on p. 57 of Zen: Dawn in the West):
=E2=80=9CAnyone who does zazen seriously will in time develop psychic
abilities to one degree or another. The Buddha himself possessed
numerous psychic perceptions, including the ability to recall past
lifetimes, see into the future, and read others' minds. But never did
he encourage his followers to develop psychic powers as a means of
enlightenment, or to make a vain display of any they already had.=E2=80=9D
NOTE: BUDDHA HIMSELF [COULD] READ OTHERS=E2=80=99 MINDS!
REMEMBER: I SAID IT WAS KAPLEAU'S INABILITY TO READ MY MIND THAT
CONVINCED ME HE WAS NOT THE MASTER I WAS LOOKING FOR.
CONCLUSION: I WAS AND STILL AM LOOKING FOR BUDDHA OR A BUDDHA-LIKE
FIGURE TO BE MY LORD AND MASTER.
DO YOU THINK THAT'S WRONG? DO YOU THINK KAPLEAU WOULD DISAPPROVE? I
DON'T. [End of =E2=80=9CAbsolute Proof=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D]
MORE QUOTES FROM ROSHI PHILIP KAPLEAU
Questioner: Is there a difference between psychic insights and
satori?
Roshi: They have their origin in a common ground =E2=80=93 the Mind.
Everyone, without exception, [Equality Wisdom] has this Mind as a
birthright. But while the enlightened have awakened to it, the
ordinary psychic has not. The important difference is in the degree
of awareness or knowledge. The psychic is in touch with an area of
mind inaccessible to ordinary consciousness; the awakened has seen
into Mind itself. Since the fully awakened Mind perceives unlimited
dimensions of consciousness, it naturally encompasses psychic
perceptions.
Second Questioner: Speaking of Cayce, I have heard that he made a
prediction that sometime within the next forty years California will
be destroyed by an earthquake or flood. Do you place any stock in
such prophecies?
Roshi: Unless a psychic can give the precise time of a future
occurence =E2=80=93 that is, pin it down to the exact year and day and hour =
=E2=80=93
I would place little faith in his prediction. This is not to say he
is a charlatan, but that whatever powers he possesses are limited.
Let me continue. Although the psychic is able to contact dimensions
inaccessible to the ordinary person, he has no real understanding of
the source of his power. Moreover, his =E2=80=9Cgift=E2=80=9D does not effe=
ct in him
the attrition of ego or transformation of the personality. He is
still dominated by the notion of a self opposed to other selves. By
contrast, with genuine enlightenment the notion of an ego-I is
dispelled and the dualistic distinction of self and not-self is
transcended. The consequences of this are enormous. (From Zen: Dawn
in the West, p. 55)
JOB=E2=80=99S ANSWER TO G-D
Job 38:1-7:
38:1: Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
38:2: Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
A follower of Moshe, for Moshe inspired the entire Torah without
actually seeing your face or knowing your true name, oh LORD.
38:3: Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and
answer thou me.
38:4: Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Declare, if thou hast understanding.
I was in Netzach and in Tipareth.
38:5: Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? Or who
hath stretched the line upon it?
It was thou, oh LORD, who laid the measures thereof, for thou art the
Geometry of Divinity, or G-D. Saraswati, thy mother, hath stretched
the (international date) line upon it.
38:6: Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? Or who laid the
corner stone thereof;
38:7: When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of G-D
shouted for joy?
Upon the four letter PRDS. The corner stone is Pashat, and thy angel,
Michael, hath laid it in place, when angels and men communed freely.
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25 Dec 2007 01:29:30 AM |
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<pjmutnick@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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WHY ?????, I.E. JESUS, IS NOT THE JEWISH MESSIAH IF ???? is the LORD
Many Christians claim that ???? is the LORD and Elohim, while his son
????? is the Messiah.
All Jews reject this and rightfully so. If it were true, don't you
think there would be at least one passage in the old testament to that
effect, saying, oh, by the way, ???? has a son named ????? and he will
come as the Messiah?
<snip>
No, scripture is discerned, not merely read. If it were obvious, the seeing
it, all would have seen it.
What we do have:
Numbers 24:17
I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there
shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and
shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.
Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall
conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Isaiah 9:6-7
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government
shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful,
Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. [7]
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the
throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with
judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the
Lord of hosts will perform this.
Micah 5:2
But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands
of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in
Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Jesus the Christ, the one the law and all the prophets said was to come.
When Jesus claimed to be God, His ministry came to and abrupt end, and many
who flocked to hear Him were among those who were yelling "Crucify Him!"
There was a problem with Jesus' claim and scripture. In scripture God had
promised to reveal all He would do to the prophets, and, when they looked in
scripture, they found only one coming of the Lord Himself, and that was for
the day of the Lord (Zech 14), and that did not describe Jesus. They could
find no coming of the Lord, Himself, in scripture, so they didn't believe
Him. Would you have believed Him?
What they didn't realize was that the Lord had also told of the foolish
people "without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have
ears, and hear not" (Jer 5:21). The Lord had revealed that He would come
twice, once before the day of the Lord and again for the day of the Lord,
but seeing it, they didn't see it, and hearing it, they didn't hear it.
At the transfiguration the disciples discovered that contrary to what they
had been taught, the Prophet Elijah wouldn't be returning to resume his
ministry before the Lord returns. So, they ask Jesus "Why then say the
scribes that Elijah must first come?" (Matt 17:10). Note the Author's choice
of words. They didn't ask why Malachi, a prophet, or prophets said Elijah
must first come. The Author attributed the teaching to the scribes. How a
difference could arise between what Malachi prophesied and what the scribes
expected can be understood by looking at the Malachi verse the scribes
mis-read. The Old Testament, as well as, the New Testament was written in
the style of the times, the way we speak, one word after another without
spaces between the words, justlikethiswithoutspacesbetweenthewords. When the
scribes saw the verse, Malachi 4:5 in the OT [Tanakh: Mal 3,23] this is how
it looked: HNHENKYSLXLKMETELYHHNBYELPNYBVEYVMYHVHHGDVLVHNVRE.
To read what was prophesied the scribes needed to divide the text in words.
When they came to the 16th through 19th letters (ELYH), they could be read
as one word or as two words (EL YH), they could read it as the one word
Elijah or as the two words LORD God. The scribes read it as one word and it
is read that way in our Bibles today, but what the New Testament reveals is
that Malachi prophesied is the coming of LORD God, the first coming of the
Lord, the coming before the day of the Lord. The Lord was prophesied to come
for the day of the Lord (Zech 14), but there was no scripture of the Lord
Himself coming before the day of the Lord. So, it was the scribes who
blinded Israel, to the first coming of the Lord, for the Lord had promised
"Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he reveals his secret to his
servants the prophets" (Amos 3:7). He had revealed it to Malachi, but when
the scribes came to the coming of the Lord EL YH they read and taught the
return of Elijah ELYH.
This blindness of Israel is something, which would continue until the
fullness of the time for the gentiles to enter the kingdom has passed: "that
blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles
be come in" (Rom. 11:25); so, how will Jesus reply to his disciples without
removing the blindness and closing the door of the kingdom to the gentiles?
"Why then say the scribes that Elijah must first come?" Jesus' answered one
thing and his disciples heard another. Jesus said "Elijah (EL YH) truly
shall first come, and restore all things. But I say unto you, That Elijah EL
YH is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever
they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them" (Matt.
17:11-12). Jesus is the redeemer who restores all things, and who was
suffering the rejection (Matt 12:14) and abuse of the violent taking the
kingdom by force and it will continue until His death.
What his disciples heard was Elijah ELYH truly shall first come, and
restore all things. But I say unto you, That Elijah ELYH is come already,
and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed.
Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. They knew Elijah wasn't
coming and they missed that Jesus was speaking of the one who would restore
all things so the disciples "assumed [suniemi: put together] that he spoke
to them of John the Baptist" (Matt. 17:13)
John the Baptist knew that he wasn't the one of which Jesus spoke: "And
this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from
Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? And he confessed, and denied not; but
confessed, I am not the Christ. And they asked him, What then? Art thou
Elijah? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them
that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? He said, I am the voice of one
crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the
prophet Isaiah" (John 1:19-23).
John told the priests and Levites who he was.
John wasn't the Christ.
John wasn't Elijah.
John wasn't that prophet, the Elijah-like alternative.
Over the years of the blindness we've interpreted scriptures as though John
were Elijah, but we can see that he isn't as we review our interpretations.
For example, "the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer
is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call
his name John. And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice
at his birth. For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall
drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy
Spirit, even from his mother's womb. And many of the children of Israel
shall he turn to the Lord their God. And he shall go before him in the
spirit and power of EL YH, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the
children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a
people prepared for the Lord" (Luke 1:13-17). In this case we've given the
verse the reading of John the spirit of Elijah, not the spirit of LORD God
with which he was filled from his mother's womb.
Here we've ignored the transtion from Jesus speaking of John who was to go
before Him to Jesus who was to come: 'Jesus began to say unto the multitudes
concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken
with the wind? But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft
raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses. But what
went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a
prophet. For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger
before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. Verily I say unto
you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than
John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven
is greater than he. And from the days of John the Baptist until now the
kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force. For
all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if you will receive
it, this is EL YH , which was for to come. The one that has ears to hear,
let him hear" (Matt. 11:7-15). What the law and all the prophets until John
had prophesied would come was the Christ. What the law prophesied is one of
the subjects of the book of Hebrews, and the law prophesied the coming of
the Christ, saying nothing of John. And this one is Jesus the Christ which
was for to come.
In the Jewish Passover celebration of today a place is set for the one
prophesied to come by Malachi, and the last course of the feast is the
broken bread, which has replaced the lamb of the Passover of Moses. It is
called the afikomen. It is a Greek word, the aorist form of ikneomai, and it
means he came.
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<pjmutnick@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Many Christians claim that ???? is the LORD and Elohim, while his son
????? is the Messiah.
All Jews reject this and rightfully so. If it were true, don't you
think there would be at least one passage in the old testament to that
effect, saying, oh, by the way, ???? has a son named ????? and he will
come as the Messiah?
That is reasonable.
I claim that Moshe did not know the true identity of the LORD ...
I claim that the true name of the LORD is ????? or JHVSA or Jehoshua
Moshiach, aka Jesus Christ.
From here on you don't make sense.
1. Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ is an historical time / space person of the
first century. He had no pre-existence.
2. Gabriel is an angel and therefore a messenger of Yahweh not Yahweh
Himself.
My conjecture, if true, points to the reconciliation of the three
great monotheistic religions.
I think any reconciliation has to be focussed on the One God of Abraham for
that is where the commonality of monotheism began.
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25 Dec 2007 06:25:28 AM |
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On Dec 25, 2:34=A0am, "Mark T" <moi@home000whatever132> wrote:
<pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Many Christians claim that ???? is the LORD and Elohim, while his son
????? is the Messiah.
All Jews reject this and rightfully so. =A0If it were true, don't you
think there would be at least one passage in the old testament to that
effect, saying, oh, by the way, ???? has a son named ????? and he will
come as the Messiah?
That is reasonable.
I claim that Moshe did not know the true identity of the LORD ...
I claim that the true name of the LORD is ????? or JHVSA or Jehoshua
Moshiach, aka Jesus Christ.
From here on you don't make sense.
1. Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ is an historical time / space person of t=
he
first century. =A0He had no pre-existence.
2. Gabriel is an angel and therefore a messenger of Yahweh not Yahweh
Himself.
My conjecture, if true, points to the reconciliation of the three
great monotheistic religions.
I think any reconciliation has to be focussed on the One God of Abraham fo=
r
that is where the commonality of monotheism began.
Oh come on, Mark, it's not that it doesn't make sense, it's that you
have a different set of premises. You have made no logical argument
to show an error of logic in my conclusions, you have simply stated
your own set of premises, which are different from mine.
As for your first premise, as a Zen Buddhist, I believe that everyone
has a pre-existence and a post-existence.
As for your second premise, JHVH is just a name. The question is
whose name. I have amassed, and am in the process of amassing more,
scriptural evidence that JHVH is indeed a name of Gabriel, or Gibor-
el, "The Mighty God" of Isaiah, not the LORD of Moshe. I presented in
the post you responded to evidence that the rabbis preferred the God
of Isaiah to the LORD of Moshe, because they felt the God of Isaiah
was more favorable to them as Jews, and gave them more privileges with
fewer responsibilities. We have seen that same attitude in spades
from most of the Jews in this newsgroup.
A further proof is in the story about the three angels who visited
Abraham. Even the Jewish sources admit that they were three angels,
Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael. And yet, rather inexplicably it would
seem, Abraham calls one of them JHVH and LORD. Yet that same JHVH and
LORD is so limited that he has to go physically down to Sodom and
Gomorrah to determine whether they are really as corrupt as he has
heard that they are. He bickers back and forth with Abraham for
twenty minutes, as Abraham "jews" JHVH down to a requirement of JHVH
finding only 10 righteous men, rather than 50, in order to save the
city rather than destroy it. This cannot be the true LORD, who is the
very essence of all creation and is omnipotent, omniscient, and
omnipresent.
Rather it is indeed the angel Gabriel, whose name is JHVH. Similarly,
I claim, I AM THAT I AM =3D EHYEH ASHER EHYEH =3D AHJH ASR AHJH, where
A=3DAleph, H=3DHe, J=3DJod, S=3DShin, and R=3DResh, is the Divine Name of th=
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angel of the LORD, Michael. I AM is simply AHJH. Now what is so
special about JHVH, as opposed to AHJH? Why don't the scribes
translate AHJH as LORD, instead of JHVH? It is simply because "The
Mighty God" of Isaiah is Gibor-el, whose name is JHVH, and they have
chosen that God over the LORD of Moshe, whose true name is JHVSA, or
Jehoshua Moshiach, aka Jesus Christ. That is why at the
Transfiguration, Moshe came to see JHVSA in HIS incarnate form as
Jesus, along with Elijah.
Merry Christmas!
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On Dec 24, 11:00=C2=A0pm, wrote:
WHY =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2, I.E. JESUS, IS NOT THE JEWISH MESSIAH =
IF =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=94 is the LORD
Many Christians claim that =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=94 is the LORD and Elohim=
, while his son
=D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2 is the Messiah.
All Jews reject this and rightfully so. =C2=A0If it were true, don't you
think there would be at least one passage in the old testament to that
effect, saying, oh, by the way, =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=94 has a son named =
=D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2 and he will
come as the Messiah?
But there is no such passage, not even the hint of such a passage, and
so the theory of these =E2=80=9CChristians=E2=80=9D is rightfully rejected=
by almost
all Jews as unfounded according to the Jewish religion.
Now, my hypothesis, however distasteful it may be to Jews, is a
possibility they cannot altogether deny if they wish to be thought of
as rational human beings.
I claim that Moshe did not know the true identity of the LORD, and
this is signified by the fact that the LORD would not allow Moshe to
see HIS face, according to the account of Moshe's enlightenment
experience that is given in Exodus itself.
I claim that the true name of the LORD is =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2 o=
r JHVSA or Jehoshua
Moshiach, aka Jesus Christ. =C2=A0I claim that JHVH is the Divine Name of
the angel Gabriel, even as I AM THAT I AM =3D EHYEH ASHER EHYEH =3D AHJH
ASR AHJH is the Divine Name of the angel Michael, who is the angel of
the LORD seen by Moshe in the burning bush. =C2=A0When it says that the
LORD knew Moshe face to face, it means that HE knew him face to face
through HIS angel, namely Michael as I AM THAT I AM. =C2=A0It is from
Michael that Moshe received his prophetic utterances, known
collectively as the Torah, even as Mohammed received his prophetic
utterances, known as the Koran, from the angel Gabriel.
The LORD HIMSELF was very clear that Moshe could not see HIS face,
i.e. know who and what HE truly is, and live. =C2=A0That is why the
teaching of Jehoshua Moshiach emphasized the willingness to die to see
G-D. =C2=A0Even Jesus Himself had to die in order to return to His own
rightful estate as the LORD G-D. =C2=A0The angel of the LORD, Michael =3D
Mahavatar Babaji =3D ABBA =3D the Heavenly Father of Jehoshua Moshiach,
while He was incarnated as Jesus Christ. =C2=A0Hence the statement of
Jesus: =C2=A0"Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or=
else believe me for the very works' sake." =C2=A0(John 14:11)
My conjecture, if true, points to the reconciliation of the three
great monotheistic religions. =C2=A0The alternative is endless fighting,
for none of the three will relinquish their claims. =C2=A0The Jews suffer
more than anyone from the sin of Moshe in fabricating the name of the
LORD. =C2=A0The penalty for that sin, multiplied by the ongoing
participation of all Jews, was the destruction of the Temple and
diaspora, i.e. sangsara, that will last forever, unless the Jews
somehow discover the Truth and repent.
As a half Jew myself, I am not just proselytizing or evangelizing. =C2=A0I=
am simply sharing what seems to work for me in finding a Truth of the
Bible that is not monstrous, but is instead both believable and
intelligible. =C2=A0Moreover, as a physicist interested in the foundations=
of quantum theory, I am interested in finding a Truth that will answer
our deepest questions about reality. =C2=A0I believe I have found it.
THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D
The simple abbreviated truth is that Moses could only see the backside
of the LORD he saw in the burning bush, and so he could not discern
His true identity. =C2=A0You can't identify someone from behind, especiall=
y
if you don't already know who they are. =C2=A0The true name of the LORD wa=
s
and is JEHOSHUA, or JHVSA, not JHVH. =C2=A0The entire Torah and all
secondary literature is in a sense a great big fraud, and you can see
that if you go back to its origin in the actual experience of Moses as
described within the Torah itself. =C2=A0Dogma is only as good as the dept=
h
of enlightenment of the one or ones fashioning the dogma.
BTW, Moses did see the angel of the LORD in the burning bush, and it
was the LORD through that same angel who knew him face to face. Never,
according to the Torah, was there face to face contact between the
LORD Himself and Moses. =C2=A0The LORD absolutely forbade that.
SCRIPTURAL PROOF OF MY CONJECTURE
From: =C2=A0http://www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm:
=E2=80=9CMighty God=E2=80=9D in Isaiah 9:6 is =E2=80=9CEl Gibor=E2=80=9D. =
=C2=A0This is not exactly =E2=80=9CMighty
God,=E2=80=9D but close. =C2=A0=E2=80=9CStrong" is more correct (but it is=
different from
strong of =E2=80=9Chazak=E2=80=9D). =C2=A0Here both El and Gibor are nouns=
=E2=80=93 this is short
full spell is =E2=80=9CEl Hu Gibor.=E2=80=9D
Anyway =E2=80=9CEl Gibor=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CGabriel=E2=80=9D are same t=
hing. =C2=A0They both mean
=E2=80=9CStrong God.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CGabriel=E2=80=9D is an angel's name=
in the Bible.
The word =E2=80=9CGibor=E2=80=9D in Isaiah 9:6 and the word =E2=80=9CGibor=
=E2=80=9D of Gabriel have
exactly the same root, and they are both the same word. =C2=A0The word
itself can also be translated as =E2=80=9CMan of God.=E2=80=9D =C2=A0[End =
Quote]
So, the very passage used by Christians to prove that Yeshua is the
Jewish Messiah, instead proves that Jews and Christians alike worship
the Antichrist, the Abomination of Desolation, namely the angel
Gabriel in the holy place of the LORD, where he ought not to sit.
Now the Gabriel that responds to the invocations of Jews and
Christians alike is NOT the holy angel Gabriel, for he would not
imposter the LORD. =C2=A0Rather, it is an astral plane imposter of the
angel Gabriel, who is himself a fallen angel of the worst sort.
All of the monstrosities of the old testament, as well as those same
monstrosities carried over into the new testament by the
misunderstandings of the disciples of Jesus, are the work of this
fallen angel imposter of the LORD.
Now, this is not to say that the formula in Isaiah is entirely false.
In Judaism the usual designation for the one that is worshipped is
=E2=80=9CLORD God.=E2=80=9D =C2=A0God, or El, aka Eloah, aka Elohim, is th=
e suffix found in
the name of each Archangel: =C2=A0Micha-el, Gibor-el, etc. =C2=A0Furthermo=
re, it
is well-known that ALLAH comes from AL ILAH, where ILAH is equated to
ELOAH.
So, Islam is that religion wherein the angel of the LORD can actually
be the LORD, but that is not the case with Judaism, which is a
Messianic religion geared toward the advent of Jehoshua Moshiach, the
LORD, designated by the letters JHVSA. =C2=A0One can only conclude that th=
e
child referred to in Isaiah 9:6 is Mohammad. =C2=A0He is called a child in=
the same sense that Moshe is sometimes referred to as a child. =C2=A0There=
may be a reference by implication to Moshiach, yet another child, but
the passage literally refers to Mohammad, the messenger of ALLAH
through the angel Gibor-el, whose Divine Name is JHVH.
Moshe was confused about this and all subsequent Jewish prophets and
rabbinical commentators were also confused. =C2=A0Moshe's confusion began
with his enlightenment experience, wherein he saw the LORD in the
burning bush, but only HIS back parts could he see. =C2=A0From that limite=
d
experience, he could not properly identify the LORD.
HOW THE DELUSION THAT JHVH IS THE LORD BEGAN
I don't see a contradiction between the fact that Eve said she had
gotten a man from JHVH and the fact that the Patriarchs did not know
the name JHVH. =C2=A0Eve's delusion was that the LORD was JHVH. =C2=A0She =
got
that from the serpent. =C2=A0Moshe ben Adam inherited that delusion from
his line of Jewish mothers. =C2=A0What could be more natural. =C2=A0The de=
lusion
had gone into remission at the time of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but
resurfaced again with Moshe.
Eve's belief that JHVH is the LORD is like an Oedipal complex. =C2=A0Its
remission at the time of the Patriarchs is like the period of
latency. =C2=A0Its re-emergence at the time of Moshe is like puberty, wher=
e
the Oedipal complex resurfaces, but this time resolved and integrated
into the social aspect of life. =C2=A0The question is whether the
integration into social life is adequate or psychotic. =C2=A0That is a
matter of personal judgment. =C2=A0I believe that the monstrosities of the=
old testament tip the balance scale toward the psychotic. =C2=A0It would b=
e
far better from the spiritual point of view to just uproot the Oedipal
complex altogether and establish a new foundation for the structure of
the psyche. =C2=A0That is the idea of a new testament and covenant.
THE SECRET DOCTRINE OF MONOTHEISM UNVEILED
Exodus
33:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh
unto his friend.
33:18 And he said, I beseech thee, show me thy glory.
33:19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I
will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious
to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show
mercy.
33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man
see me, and live.
33:21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou
shalt stand upon a rock:
33:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I
will put thee in a cleft of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand
while I pass by:
33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back
parts: but my face shall not be seen.
Deuteronomy
34:10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses,
whom the LORD knew face to face...
Now, how are we to understand this apparent contradiction? =C2=A0It is
essential, for the understanding of who and what G-D is depends upon
it. =C2=A0On the one hand, the LORD speaks to Moses face to face, and yet
Moses cannot see His face at all, but only His backside. =C2=A0Before we
make an attempt at an exegesis, we must consider also the following:
Exodus
3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out
of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned
with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
3:3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight,
why the bush is not burnt.
3:4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto
him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said,
Here am I.
3:5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy
feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.
3:6 Moreover he ...
read more =C2=BB
FURTHER PROOF THAT JHVH IS GABRIEL AND FURTHER PROOF OF THE ROLE OF
MICHAEL
On Dec 24, 6:49 pm, "Mark T" <moi@home000whatever131> wrote:
... Jewish philosopher Philo of Alexandria (C. 30 BCE - 45 CE) Philo was a=
Platonist and had a distinguished reputation as a rationalist philosopher =
in
his own right. ... He could see no incompatability with his God and the
God of the Greeks. It has to be said, however, that Philo's God seems ver=
y
different from Yahweh. For one thing, Philo is embarrassed by the historic=
al
books of the Bible, which he tried to turn into elaborate allegories:
Aristotle, it will be recalled, had considered history to be
unphilosophical. his God has no human qualities: it is quite incorrect,
for example, to dsay tha he is 'angry'. All we can know about God is the
bare fact of hios existence. Yet, as a practisiung Jew, Philo did believe=
that God had revealed himself to the prophets. ...Philo made an important
distinction betyween God's essence (ousia), which is entirely
incomprehensible, and his activities in the world, which he called his
'powers' (dynameis) or 'energies' (energeiai). ...Two of these powers were=
especially important. Philo called them the Kingly power, which reveals G=
od
in the order of the universe, and the Creative power, whereby God reveals
himself in the blessing he bestows upon humanity. Neither of these powers=
is to be confused with the divine essence (ousia), which remains shrouded =
in
impenetrable mystery. They simply enable us to catch a glimpse of a reali=
ty
which is beyond anything we can conceive. Sometimes Philo speaks of God's=
essential being (ousia) flanked by the Kingly and Creative powers in a kin=
d
of trinity. When he interprets the story of Yahweh's visit to Abraham at
Mamre with the two angels, for example, he argues that this is an
allegorical presentation of of God's ousia - He Who Is - with the two seni=
or
powers. J [*editor of the OT - JPED] would have been astonished by this an=
d,
indeed, Jews have always found Philo's conception of God somewhat
inauthentic. Christians, however, would find him enormously helpful and th=
e
Greeks, as we shall see, seized upon this distinction between God's
unknowable 'essence' and the 'energies'that make him known to us. They wou=
ld
be influenced by his theory of the divine Logos. Like the Wisdom writers,=
Philo imagined that God had formed a masterplan (logos) of creation, which=
corresponded to Plato's realm of forms. These forms were then incranated =
in
the physical universe. Again, Philo is not always consistent. Sometimes =
he
suggests that Logos is one of the powers; at other times he seems to think=
it is higher than the powers, the highest idea of God that human beings ca=
n
attain. When we contemplate the Logos, however, we form no positive
knowledge of God: we ae taken beyond the reach of discursive reason to an
intuitive apprehension which is 'higher han a way of thinking, more precio=
us
than anything that is merely thought'. It was an activity similar to
Plato's contemplation (theoria). Philo insisted that we will never reach
God as he is in himself: the highest truth we can apprehend is the rapturo=
us
recognition that God utterly transcends the human mind. ... Philo shows
that religious contemplation had much in common with other forms of
creativity. pp. 83-85
From Karen Armstrong's 'A History of God' ( Vintage; London:1993)
This is very interesting. However, Philo's account of the visit of
the three angels to Abraham is most peculiar. It is common knowledge
that they were the angels Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael. Here is a
passage from a Christian apologist:
=46rom http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/q_god_not_man.htm:
=E2=80=9CWho were the three men?... According to the Talmud, the three men
were the angels, Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael, each with his own
special task. Michael came to give Sarah the good news that she would
soon have a son, Raphael came to heal Abraham, and Gabriel went to
overthrow the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah (although the Talmud says
that Michael went along with Gabriel so as to rescue Lot). But there
are problems with this view too. First, the text nowhere says that the
angels replaced or represented the Lord. Instead, the Bible says that
the Lord appeared to Abraham, that he saw three men, and that he
addressed one of them both as Lord ('adonai) and as YHWH. Second, the
context indicates clearly that two of the men went on to Sodom- where
they are identified as angels- and that Abraham stayed before YHWH,
with whom he had extended dialogue. To be faithful to the Scriptures
we must say that the Lord, with two angels, appeared to Abraham, and
all three appeared as human beings who spoke, ate, and drank with
Abraham and Sarah.=E2=80=9D (Michael L. Brown, Answering Jewish Objections t=
o
Jesus: Theological Objections [Baker Books, Grand Rapids, MI 2000],
Volume 2, pp. 31-33)
Despite the rabbis trying to imply that Yahweh didn't appear as a man
and wasn't one of the three men, a view which clearly contradicts the
plain reading of the text, their admission that Abraham did in fact
see God is interesting nonetheless. =E2=80=A6
How can Jesus be God when the Hebrew Bible says God is not a man? Cf.
Numbers 23:19; 1 Samuel 15:29; Hosea 11:9.
The Hebrew Bible even predicts that the Messiah of David is actually
God in the flesh:
=E2=80=9CFor to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government=
shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful
Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the
increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, on the
throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish it and to uphold it
with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and
forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will do this.=E2=80=9D Isaiah 9:6=
-7
=E2=80=9CSo the men turned from there, and went toward Sodom; but Abraham
still stood before the LORD.=E2=80=9D RSV
=E2=80=9CThe TWO angels came to Sodom in the evening; and Lot was sitting in=
the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them, and bowed
himself with his face to the earth, and said, 'My lords, turn aside, I
pray you, to your servant's house and spend the night, and wash your
feet; then you may rise up early and go on your way.' They said, 'No;
we will spend the night in the street.' But he urged them strongly; so
they turned aside to him and entered his house; and he made them a
feast, and baked unleavened bread, and they ate.=E2=80=9D Genesis 19:1-3 RSV=
[End Quotes]
This is a typical example of =E2=80=9CChristian=E2=80=9D falsification of sc=
ripture.
It does not follow that because only two angels came to Sodom in the
evening, that the third =E2=80=9Cman=E2=80=9D was not also an angel. It is =
simply the
fact that he had split off from the other two and remained behind to
talk with Abraham, after Abraham had placed himself in the path of the
departing angels. He then went on to accomplish his mission, which
was to determine if the situation was really as bad as he had heard
that it was and if there were at least ten righteous men in the city.
That mission was a prerequisite to the mission of the other two
angels, whose mission it was to actually destroy the city.
Nor does the angel called LORD and JHVH act at all like the true LORD
of the universe. He does not know, without physically going into the
city, whether things are really as bad as he has heard that they are,
and, similarly, he does not know if there any righteous men in the
city.
The only logical conclusion is that the three =E2=80=9Cmen=E2=80=9D were thr=
ee angels,
and Gabriel, who was =E2=80=9CThe Mighty God=E2=80=9D of Isaiah 9:6, Gibor-e=
l, was
also called LORD and JHVH. Indeed, JHVH is the Divine Name of the
angel Gabriel, and NOT the name of the true LORD of the universe.
This is the fact that neither the phony =E2=80=9CChristians=E2=80=9D nor the=
phony
=E2=80=9CJews=E2=80=9D want to acknowledge.
This is what the true LORD, Jehoshua Moshiach, said about this: I am
come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come
in his own name, him ye will receive. (John 5:43) The child of
Isaiah 9:6 is NOT Jesus Christ.
We have had two phony Jews in this newsgroup, named Cindy and Cactus,
who have denied that the angel Michael, =D7=9E=D7=99=D7=9B=D7=90=D7=9C=E2=80=
=8E, is even a Jewish
concept at all. The following is a refutation of that ridiculous and
ignorant claim.
Here is an objective reference on Michael:
=46rom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_(archangel):
The rabbis declare that Michael entered upon his role of defender at
the time of the biblical patriarchs. Thus, according to Rabbi Eliezer
ben Jacob, it was Michael who rescued Abraham from the furnace into
which he had been thrown by Nimrod (Midrash Genesis Rabbah xliv. 16).
It was Michael, the =E2=80=9Cone that had escaped=E2=80=9D (Genesis 14:13), =
who told
Abraham that Lot had been taken captive (Midrash Pirke R. El.), and
who protected Sarah from being defiled by Abimelech. He announced to
Sarah that she would bear a son and he rescued Lot at the destruction
of Sodom (Talmud B. M. 86b).
Legend makes Michael the teacher of Moses; so that the Israelites are
indebted to their advocate for the supreme good of the Torah. This
idea is alluded to in Midrash Deuteronomy Rabbah xi. 6 in the
statement that Michael declined to bring Moses' soul to God on the
ground that he had been Moses' teacher.
Michael is said to have destroyed the army of Sennacherib (Midrash
Exodus Rabbah xviii. 5), a deed normally attributed to an otherwise
unnamed angel of destruction but perhaps accomplished by Uriel,
Gabriel, or others; He is also credited with being the angel who spoke
to Moses in the burning bush (an honor often bestowed upon Zagzagel).
He is accepted in lore as well as being the special patron of Adam.
Supposedly he was the first angel in all of the heavens to bow down
before humanity. Michael then kept an eye on the first family,
remaining vigilant even after the fall of Adam and Eve and their
expulsion from the Garden of Eden. In the apocryphal Conflict of Adam
and Eve with Satan, Michael taught Adam how to farm. The archangel
later brought Adam to heaven in a fiery chariot, giving him a tour of
the blessed realm. After Adam's death, Michael helped convince the
Lord to permit Adam's soul to be brought to heaven and cleansed of its
great sin. Jewish legend also states Michael to be one of the three
"men" who visited Abraham. He is said to have tried to prevent Israel
from being led into captivity by Nebuchadnezzar II and to save the
Temple from destruction; but the sins of the people were so great that
he was powerless to carry his purposes into effect.
Here is a Jewish reference on Michael:
=46rom http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=3D560&letter=3DM:
Michael exercised his function of advocate of Israel at the time of
the Exodus also, when Satan accused the Israelites of idolatry and
declared that they were consequently deserving of death by drowning in
the Red Sea (Ex. R. xviii. 5). But according to Midr. Abkir (Yal=E1=B8=B3.,
Ex. 241), when 'Uzza, the tutelar angel of Egypt, summoned Michael to
plead before God, Michael remained silent, and it was God Himself who
defended Israel. Michael led the Israelites during their forty years'
wandering in the wilderness (Abravanel to Ex. xxiii. 20). Legend makes
him the teacher of Moses; so that the Israelites are indebted to their
advocate for the supreme good of the Torah. This fact is alluded to in
Deut. R. xi. 6 in the statement that Michael declined to bring Moses'
soul to God on the ground that he had been Moses' teacher. It is
clearly stated in Apoc. Mosis, i. that Moses received the two tables
through the mediation of Michael. In the Book of Jubilees (i. 27, ii.
1) the angel who is said to have instructed Moses on Mount Sinai and
to have delivered to him the tables of the Law is most probably
Michael. =E2=80=A6
It is quite natural that, owing to his position with regard to the
Jews, Michael should be represented in the Haggadah as the most
prominent of the archangels. He is called by Daniel (Dan. xii. 1) =E2=80=9Ct=
he
great prince,=E2=80=9D and his greatness is described at length in later
Jewish writings. He was one of the seven archangels first created
(Enoch, xc. 21-22; Targ. Yer. to Deut. xxxiv. 6 gives only six), but
among these seven four excel, and Michael is the chief of the four.
Both he and Gabriel are called =E2=80=9Cgreat princes=E2=80=9D; but Michael =
is higher
in rank thanGabriel (Ber. 4b; Yoma 37a). He is the viceroy of God, who
rules over the world (Enoch, lxix. 14 et seq.), and wherever Michael
appears the Shekinah also is to be found (Ex. R. ii. 8). Michael is on
the right of God's throne, while Gabriel is on the left (=E2=80=9CHaggadat
Shema=E2=80=99 Yisrael,=E2=80=9D in Jellinek, l.c. v. 166; Targ. to Job xxv.=
2; Enoch,
xl. 9). Four armies of angels sing in praise of the Lord, the first
being that of Michael at the right hand of God (Pir=E1=B8=B3e R. El. iv.;
=E2=80=9CHekalot,=E2=80=9D in Jellinek, l.c. ii. 43-44). =E2=80=A6 It is Mic=
hael who, on
account of his occupying the first place near God, receives the
prayers of men from the angels and presents them to God (Baruch Apoc.
Slavonic, xii.).
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On 25 Dec, 21:34, wrote:
On Dec 24, 11:00=C2=A0pm, wrote:
WHY =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2, I.E. JESUS, IS NOT THE JEWISH MESSIA=
H IF =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=94 is the LORD
Many Christians claim that =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=94 is the LORD and Eloh=
im, while his son
=D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2 is the Messiah.
All Jews reject this and rightfully so. =C2=A0If it were true, don't you=
think there would be at least one passage in the old testament to that
effect, saying, oh, by the way, =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=94 has a son named=
=D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2 and he will
come as the Messiah?
But there is no such passage, not even the hint of such a passage, and
so the theory of these =E2=80=9CChristians=E2=80=9D is rightfully reject=
ed by almost
all Jews as unfounded according to the Jewish religion.
Now, my hypothesis, however distasteful it may be to Jews, is a
possibility they cannot altogether deny if they wish to be thought of
as rational human beings.
I claim that Moshe did not know the true identity of the LORD, and
this is signified by the fact that the LORD would not allow Moshe to
see HIS face, according to the account of Moshe's enlightenment
experience that is given in Exodus itself.
I claim that the true name of the LORD is =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2=
or JHVSA or Jehoshua
Moshiach, aka Jesus Christ. =C2=A0I claim that JHVH is the Divine Name o=
f
the angel Gabriel, even as I AM THAT I AM =3D EHYEH ASHER EHYEH =3D AHJH=
ASR AHJH is the Divine Name of the angel Michael, who is the angel of
the LORD seen by Moshe in the burning bush. =C2=A0When it says that the
LORD knew Moshe face to face, it means that HE knew him face to face
through HIS angel, namely Michael as I AM THAT I AM. =C2=A0It is from
Michael that Moshe received his prophetic utterances, known
collectively as the Torah, even as Mohammed received his prophetic
utterances, known as the Koran, from the angel Gabriel.
The LORD HIMSELF was very clear that Moshe could not see HIS face,
i.e. know who and what HE truly is, and live. =C2=A0That is why the
teaching of Jehoshua Moshiach emphasized the willingness to die to see
G-D. =C2=A0Even Jesus Himself had to die in order to return to His own
rightful estate as the LORD G-D. =C2=A0The angel of the LORD, Michael =
=3D
Mahavatar Babaji =3D ABBA =3D the Heavenly Father of Jehoshua Moshiach,
while He was incarnated as Jesus Christ. =C2=A0Hence the statement of
Jesus: =C2=A0"Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: =
or
else believe me for the very works' sake." =C2=A0(John 14:11)
My conjecture, if true, points to the reconciliation of the three
great monotheistic religions. =C2=A0The alternative is endless fighting,=
for none of the three will relinquish their claims. =C2=A0The Jews suffe=
r
more than anyone from the sin of Moshe in fabricating the name of the
LORD. =C2=A0The penalty for that sin, multiplied by the ongoing
participation of all Jews, was the destruction of the Temple and
diaspora, i.e. sangsara, that will last forever, unless the Jews
somehow discover the Truth and repent.
As a half Jew myself, I am not just proselytizing or evangelizing. =C2=
=A0I
am simply sharing what seems to work for me in finding a Truth of the
Bible that is not monstrous, but is instead both believable and
intelligible. =C2=A0Moreover, as a physicist interested in the foundatio=
ns
of quantum theory, I am interested in finding a Truth that will answer
our deepest questions about reality. =C2=A0I believe I have found it.
THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D
The simple abbreviated truth is that Moses could only see the backside
of the LORD he saw in the burning bush, and so he could not discern
His true identity. =C2=A0You can't identify someone from behind, especia=
lly
if you don't already know who they are. =C2=A0The true name of the LORD =
was
and is JEHOSHUA, or JHVSA, not JHVH. =C2=A0The entire Torah and all
secondary literature is in a sense a great big fraud, and you can see
that if you go back to its origin in the actual experience of Moses as
described within the Torah itself. =C2=A0Dogma is only as good as the de=
pth
of enlightenment of the one or ones fashioning the dogma.
BTW, Moses did see the angel of the LORD in the burning bush, and it
was the LORD through that same angel who knew him face to face. Never,
according to the Torah, was there face to face contact between the
LORD Himself and Moses. =C2=A0The LORD absolutely forbade that.
SCRIPTURAL PROOF OF MY CONJECTURE
From: =C2=A0http://www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm:
=E2=80=9CMighty God=E2=80=9D in Isaiah 9:6 is =E2=80=9CEl Gibor=E2=80=9D=
.. =C2=A0This is not exactly =E2=80=9CMighty
God,=E2=80=9D but close. =C2=A0=E2=80=9CStrong" is more correct (but it =
is different from
strong of =E2=80=9Chazak=E2=80=9D). =C2=A0Here both El and Gibor are nou=
ns =E2=80=93 this is short
full spell is =E2=80=9CEl Hu Gibor.=E2=80=9D
Anyway =E2=80=9CEl Gibor=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CGabriel=E2=80=9D are same=
thing. =C2=A0They both mean
=E2=80=9CStrong God.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CGabriel=E2=80=9D is an angel's na=
me in the Bible.
The word =E2=80=9CGibor=E2=80=9D in Isaiah 9:6 and the word =E2=80=9CGib=
or=E2=80=9D of Gabriel have
exactly the same root, and they are both the same word. =C2=A0The word
itself can also be translated as =E2=80=9CMan of God.=E2=80=9D =C2=A0[En=
d Quote]
So, the very passage used by Christians to prove that Yeshua is the
Jewish Messiah, instead proves that Jews and Christians alike worship
the Antichrist, the Abomination of Desolation, namely the angel
Gabriel in the holy place of the LORD, where he ought not to sit.
Now the Gabriel that responds to the invocations of Jews and
Christians alike is NOT the holy angel Gabriel, for he would not
imposter the LORD. =C2=A0Rather, it is an astral plane imposter of the
angel Gabriel, who is himself a fallen angel of the worst sort.
All of the monstrosities of the old testament, as well as those same
monstrosities carried over into the new testament by the
misunderstandings of the disciples of Jesus, are the work of this
fallen angel imposter of the LORD.
Now, this is not to say that the formula in Isaiah is entirely false.
In Judaism the usual designation for the one that is worshipped is
=E2=80=9CLORD God.=E2=80=9D =C2=A0God, or El, aka Eloah, aka Elohim, is =
the suffix found in
the name of each Archangel: =C2=A0Micha-el, Gibor-el, etc. =C2=A0Further=
more, it
is well-known that ALLAH comes from AL ILAH, where ILAH is equated to
ELOAH.
So, Islam is that religion wherein the angel of the LORD can actually
be the LORD, but that is not the case with Judaism, which is a
Messianic religion geared toward the advent of Jehoshua Moshiach, the
LORD, designated by the letters JHVSA. =C2=A0One can only conclude that =
the
child referred to in Isaiah 9:6 is Mohammad. =C2=A0He is called a child =
in
the same sense that Moshe is sometimes referred to as a child. =C2=A0The=
re
may be a reference by implication to Moshiach, yet another child, but
the passage literally refers to Mohammad, the messenger of ALLAH
through the angel Gibor-el, whose Divine Name is JHVH.
Moshe was confused about this and all subsequent Jewish prophets and
rabbinical commentators were also confused. =C2=A0Moshe's confusion bega=
n
with his enlightenment experience, wherein he saw the LORD in the
burning bush, but only HIS back parts could he see. =C2=A0From that limi=
ted
experience, he could not properly identify the LORD.
HOW THE DELUSION THAT JHVH IS THE LORD BEGAN
I don't see a contradiction between the fact that Eve said she had
gotten a man from JHVH and the fact that the Patriarchs did not know
the name JHVH. =C2=A0Eve's delusion was that the LORD was JHVH. =C2=A0Sh=
e got
that from the serpent. =C2=A0Moshe ben Adam inherited that delusion from=
his line of Jewish mothers. =C2=A0What could be more natural. =C2=A0The =
delusion
had gone into remission at the time of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but
resurfaced again with Moshe.
Eve's belief that JHVH is the LORD is like an Oedipal complex. =C2=A0Its=
remission at the time of the Patriarchs is like the period of
latency. =C2=A0Its re-emergence at the time of Moshe is like puberty, wh=
ere
the Oedipal complex resurfaces, but this time resolved and integrated
into the social aspect of life. =C2=A0The question is whether the
integration into social life is adequate or psychotic. =C2=A0That is a
matter of personal judgment. =C2=A0I believe that the monstrosities of t=
he
old testament tip the balance scale toward the psychotic. =C2=A0It would=
be
far better from the spiritual point of view to just uproot the Oedipal
complex altogether and establish a new foundation for the structure of
the psyche. =C2=A0That is the idea of a new testament and covenant.
THE SECRET DOCTRINE OF MONOTHEISM UNVEILED
Exodus
33:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh
unto his friend.
33:18 And he said, I beseech thee, show me thy glory.
33:19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I
will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious
to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show
mercy.
33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man
see me, and live.
33:21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou
shalt stand upon a rock:
33:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I
will put thee in a cleft of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand
while I pass by:
33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back
parts: but my face shall not be seen.
Deuteronomy
34:10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses,
whom the LORD knew face to face...
Now, how are we to understand this apparent contradiction? =C2=A0It is
essential, for the understanding of who and what G-D is depends upon
it. =C2=A0On the one hand, the LORD speaks to Moses face to face, and ye=
t
Moses cannot see His face at all, but only His backside. =C2=A0Before we=
make an attempt at an exegesis, we must consider also the following:
Exodus
3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out
of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush
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