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30 Jan 2004 09:09:06 PM |
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There is no such thing as a Christian homosexual |
There is no such thing as a homosexual Christian.
You can not go to heaven. If you were a real Christian, God would steer
you from the filthy and perverted homosexual lifestyle.
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| User: "The Emperors New Clayton" |
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31 Jan 2004 01:52:23 AM |
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"Snubis" <snubis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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There is no such thing as a homosexual Christian.
You can not go to heaven. If you were a real Christian, God would steer
you from the filthy and perverted homosexual lifestyle.
Bye bye nazi fuckwit!
<plonk>
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| User: "the cutest atheist" |
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| Title: Re: There is no such thing as a Christian homosexual |
30 Jan 2004 11:43:26 PM |
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"Snubis" <snubis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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There is no such thing as a homosexual Christian.
You can not go to heaven. If you were a real Christian, God would steer
you from the filthy and perverted homosexual lifestyle.
I hear something that sounds like muffled bagpipes....
there are gay people who are stupid enough to believe in jesus and the holy
***** etc. your god intervenes in nothing. wonder why....
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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| Title: Re: There is no such thing as a Christian homosexual |
30 Jan 2004 09:44:36 PM |
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"Snubis" <snubis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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There is no such thing as a homosexual Christian.
No no. You mean 'There is no such thing as an intelligent fundie.'
[plonk]
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| User: "Snubis" |
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| Title: Re: There is no such thing as a Christian homosexual |
30 Jan 2004 09:48:03 PM |
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On Fri 30 Jan 2004 10:44:36p, "Dennis Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org> wrote
in news:bvf8bm$rdrkl$1@ID-120990.news.uni-berlin.de:
"Snubis" <snubis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1246829b7a26d1f719e728bafa6a58e5@news.teranews.com...
There is no such thing as a homosexual Christian.
No no. You mean 'There is no such thing as an intelligent fundie.'
[plonk]
You must be talking about yourself, since that was a very unintelligent
post.
[unplonk]
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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31 Jan 2004 07:03:28 AM |
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 03:48:03 GMT, Snubis <snubis@wp.pl> trolled to
alt.abortion,alt.fan.jesus-christ,alt.atheism,alt.spacebastards,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.bible,alt.christnet.theology,alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,alt.startrek.vs.starwars:
On Fri 30 Jan 2004 10:44:36p, "Dennis Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org> wrote
in news:bvf8bm$rdrkl$1@ID-120990.news.uni-berlin.de:
"Snubis" <snubis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1246829b7a26d1f719e728bafa6a58e5@news.teranews.com...
There is no such thing as a homosexual Christian.
No no. You mean 'There is no such thing as an intelligent fundie.'
[plonk]
You must be talking about yourself, since that was a very unintelligent
post.
[unplonk]
I'm very sorry. That is impossible.
Have a nice stay in Plonkdorp!
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| User: "Roid Roid" |
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31 Jan 2004 01:09:10 PM |
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On Sat 31 Jan 2004 08:03:28a, Jos Flachs <'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote in
news:528n109q7c7p4685jbndurda0nviq7jnq7@4ax.com:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 03:48:03 GMT, Snubis <snubis@wp.pl> trolled to
alt.abortion,alt.fan.jesus-christ,alt.atheism,alt.spacebastards,alt.polit
ics.homosexuality,alt.bible,alt.christnet.theology,alt.religion.christian
.roman-catholic,alt.startrek.vs.starwars:
On Fri 30 Jan 2004 10:44:36p, "Dennis Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org>
wrote in news:bvf8bm$rdrkl$1@ID-120990.news.uni-berlin.de:
"Snubis" <snubis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1246829b7a26d1f719e728bafa6a58e5@news.teranews.com...
There is no such thing as a homosexual Christian.
No no. You mean 'There is no such thing as an intelligent fundie.'
[plonk]
You must be talking about yourself, since that was a very unintelligent
post.
[unplonk]
I'm very sorry. That is impossible.
Have a nice stay in Plonkdorp!
Is that some sort of gay sex thing?
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| User: "Shan" |
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31 Jan 2004 11:43:45 AM |
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Snubis <snubis@wp.pl> wrote in message news:<69159b72ff8619c294cd16a8a0e3ada5@news.teranews.com>...
On Fri 30 Jan 2004 10:44:36p, "Dennis Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org> wrote
in news:bvf8bm$rdrkl$1@ID-120990.news.uni-berlin.de:
"Snubis" <snubis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1246829b7a26d1f719e728bafa6a58e5@news.teranews.com...
There is no such thing as a homosexual Christian.
No no. You mean 'There is no such thing as an intelligent fundie.'
[plonk]
You must be talking about yourself, since that was a very unintelligent
post.
You are the retard, because you rednecks keep on marrying sisters &
brothers with mothers, fathers and produce morons. I don't blame you
because it is too late for you but blame the seed you come where the
genetic material is fucked up from interbreeding.
Gawd have mercy on you.
Shan
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| User: "David Whitesen." |
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31 Jan 2004 09:59:07 AM |
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Snubis wrote:
On Fri 30 Jan 2004 10:44:36p, "Dennis Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org> wrote
in news:bvf8bm$rdrkl$1@ID-120990.news.uni-berlin.de:
"Snubis" <snubis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1246829b7a26d1f719e728bafa6a58e5@news.teranews.com...
There is no such thing as a homosexual Christian.
No no. You mean 'There is no such thing as an intelligent fundie.'
[plonk]
You must be talking about yourself, since that was a very unintelligent
post.
X-Gen baggy bigots like you need to take your head out of your
stranger danger private parts, and look up the history of the
religious sexual rituals of the fertility gods Baal-Molech, Baachus and
Venus and stop promoting the lie and myth of a sin of homosexuality,
when Jesus said hermaphrodites could marry if they could do so for
life, which is a same sex marriage. Anyone they marry would have
the same sexual organs and God makes hermaphrodites.
It was not what they were doing it was why.
Mark 7:
18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do
ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the
man, it cannot defile him;
....
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
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| User: "james_anatidae" |
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30 Jan 2004 11:57:14 PM |
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"Snubis" <snubis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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[plonk]
[unplonk]
Did you even understand what that means?
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"One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack religion, because
religion makes men virtuous. So I am told; I have not noticed it."
-Bertrand Russell
Goliath & Wildwing's Storage Room
http://anatidae.homestead.com/
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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31 Jan 2004 01:41:27 PM |
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"james_anatidae" <parshallNOSPAM@citcom.net> wrote in message
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"One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack religion,
because
religion makes men virtuous. So I am told; I have not noticed it."
-Bertrand Russell
You can't "notice" what you are not looking for, can you? Bertie Russell
was a known libertine and not looking for "virtue" but rather much the
opposite.
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Pastor Frank
THE ROYAL LAW OF CHRIST
**Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
**31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
**Jesus in Mat 22:40 "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two
commandments."
THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
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| User: "No One" |
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31 Jan 2004 02:17:12 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <pf@christfirst.com> writes:
"james_anatidae" <parshallNOSPAM@citcom.net> wrote in message
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"One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack religion,
because
religion makes men virtuous. So I am told; I have not noticed it."
-Bertrand Russell
You can't "notice" what you are not looking for, can you? Bertie Russell
was a known libertine and not looking for "virtue" but rather much the
opposite.
--
Pastor Frank
I managed to find a web page that claimed a certain "Bertand Russell"
had cheated on his wife, due to dropping the second 'r' in "Bertrand"
when I typed it into google. I'd hardly assume a web site whose
domain name is www.simpletoremember.com is definitive: for what it
considers to be "related" articles, it lists one about Kobe Bryant and
another about Bill Clinton and Monica. When you type Bertrand Russell's
name into Google correctly, the 'simpletoremember' site goes into
well-deserved obscurity.
Regardless, Russell's personal life has nothing to do with the
efficacy of his observations, and his opinions are far more
interesting than yours.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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01 Feb 2004 03:03:41 AM |
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"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <pf@christfirst.com> writes:
"james_anatidae" <parshallNOSPAM@citcom.net> wrote in message
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"One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack religion,
because
religion makes men virtuous. So I am told; I have not noticed it."
-Bertrand Russell
You can't "notice" what you are not looking for, can you? Bertie
Russell
was a known libertine and not looking for "virtue" but rather much the
opposite.
Regardless, Russell's personal life has nothing to do with the
efficacy of his observations, and his opinions are far more
interesting than yours.
Yes. That's like saying that Hitler's observations in his "Mein Kampf"
have no bearing upon his actions and vice versa. And yes, not only Bertie's
opinions but also Hitler's are "far more interesting than mine", especially
if you are jaded and as bored with the pursuit of virtue and the advancement
of the Kingdom of God as Bertie was.
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Pastor Frank
THE MANDATE OF JESUS
**Jesus in Lk:4:18: The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath
anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the
broken-hearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of
sight to the blind.
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| User: "David Whitesen." |
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| Title: Re: There is no such thing as a Christian homosexual |
31 Jan 2004 02:34:00 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"james_anatidae" <parshallNOSPAM@citcom.net> wrote in message
news:bvfjkk$6tlq$1@news3.infoave.net...
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"One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack religion,
because
religion makes men virtuous. So I am told; I have not noticed it."
-Bertrand Russell
You can't "notice" what you are not looking for, can you? Bertie Russell
was a known libertine and not looking for "virtue" but rather much the
opposite.
"The same applies to the concept of an 'exclusively homosexually
orientated person.' This was a discovery of only 150 years ago.
Go to the Bible and it simply is not there. Often, people speak
of the clear Biblical teaching about how to deal pastorally
with homosexual people, but that is a real howler. The Bible
knows nothing of the existence of homosexual people. No doubt
there were such people in the ancient world and others would
have had the experience of engaging with them, but they were
blind to their existence as 'homosexually orientated people'
because they did not yet have the concept of 'exclusive
homosexual orientation' with which to order their raw
experiences."
By Dr Carnley is a Cambridge PhD, and Archbishop of Perth
Update your brain Pasta
Leviticus 18 and 20 have nothing to do with a sin of homosexuality,
only idolatry, using your body which is the temple of God against
God to worship the fertility gods as Baal-Molech and Venus. The
context is:
Lev 20:
2 Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever
he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that
sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech;
he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall
stone him with stones.
....
5 Then I will set my face against that man, and against his
family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after
him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people.
Leviticus 18:
21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the
fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy
God: I am the LORD. (give no seed to Molech)
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it
is abomination.(give no seed to male Chemarim priests to Molech)
23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself
therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie
down thereto: it is confusion.(give no seed to beasts to Molech)
24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in
all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
(Give no seed to Molech it does not build the nation it defiles
the nation, it is idolatry an abomination.)
Lev 20:
3 And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him
off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed
unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name.
....
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both
of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put
to death; their blood shall be upon them. (give no seed to male
Chemarim priests to Molech, it is idolatry, which is treason,
which carried the death penalty)
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15 And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death:
and ye shall slay the beast. (give no seed to beasts to Molech)
16 And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto,
thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to
death; their blood shall be upon them. (give no seed to beasts to
Molech in temple idolatrous worship)
Adam Clarke's Commentary
Ezek 16:
Verse 24. Thou hast also built unto thee an eminent place a
stew or brothel, a bordel house.
Matthew Henry Commentary
2 Kings 23:4-7
Those that dishonoured their God were justly left thus to
dishonour themselves in prostitution, Rom. 1:24. There were
women that wove hangings for the grove (v. 7), tents which
encompassed the image of Venus, where the worshippers committed
all manner of lewdness, and this in the house of the Lord.
Septuagint Greek translation of about 250BC reads: "And thou
shalt not give of thy seed to serve a ruler; and thou shalt not
profane my holy name; I [am] the Lord." 'Do not dedicate any
of your seed or offspring to Molech.'
Mark 7:
18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do
ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the
man, it cannot defile him;
....
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
It was not what they were doing it was why.
1 Kings 14:
24 "There were also cult prostitutes in the land. Judah imitated
all the abominable practices of the nations whom the Lord had cleared
out of the Israelites' way." (NAB)
The rituals performed in Ugaritic worship involved a great deal
of alcohol and sexual promiscuity. Worship at Ugarit was
essentially a drunken orgy in which priests and worshippers
indulged in excessive drinking and excessive sexuality. This
because the worshippers were attempting to convince Baal
to send rain on their crops. Since rain and semen were seen
in the ancient world as the same thing (as both produced fruit),
it simply makes sense that participants in fertility religion
behaved this way.
http://www.theology.edu/ugarbib.htm
Baal; Melek (D. V. Moloch, A.V. Molech) In several shrines long trains
of priests, distributed into several classes and clad in special attire
performed the sacred function; ... the immoral practices indulged in at
several shrines in honour of the Baal as male of reproduction, and
of his mate Asherah (D.V. Astarthe, A. V. Ashtaroth).
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02175a.htm
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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01 Feb 2004 03:03:44 AM |
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"David Whitesen." <Whitesen@nospamt.com> wrote in message
news:401BF0BC.E4D5229E@nospamt.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"james_anatidae" <parshallNOSPAM@citcom.net> wrote in message
news:bvfjkk$6tlq$1@news3.infoave.net...
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"One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack religion,
because
religion makes men virtuous. So I am told; I have not noticed it."
-Bertrand Russell
You can't "notice" what you are not looking for, can you? Bertie
Russell
was a known libertine and not looking for "virtue" but rather much the
opposite.
"The same applies to the concept of an 'exclusively homosexually
orientated person.' This was a discovery of only 150 years ago.
Go to the Bible and it simply is not there. Often, people speak
of the clear Biblical teaching about how to deal pastorally
with homosexual people, but that is a real howler.
Wrong!!!! No heterosexual is inflamed with passion "burning in their
lust for each other", when looking at another of the same sex. See below
--
Pastor Frank
Rom 1:27: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman,
burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is
unseemly,
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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01 Feb 2004 12:18:28 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <pf@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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"David Whitesen." <Whitesen@nospamt.com> wrote in message
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Pastor Frank wrote:
Look what slithered out from under the killfile.
[snip]
[plonk]
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02 Feb 2004 08:06:50 PM |
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"Pastor" Frank wrote:
Wrong!!!! No heterosexual is inflamed with passion "burning in their
lust for each other", when looking at another of the same sex. See below
<all innocence> Not even idol worshipping ones?
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"The sponsor of one of the bills that would outlaw gay marriages in
Michigan asserts that same-sex unions would 'lead to further
disintegration of the traditional family unit.' But it appears at least
worth asking how a public declaration of commitment, monogamy and
permanence by any two people would subvert family values. Strong
marriages are the foundation of strong families and a strong nation, but
committed relationships can and do take different forms. At their best,
marriages are tangible expressions of love, respect, security, social
stability and human dignity. Preemptive legislation that presumes only
heterosexual relationships invoke that kind of commitment may not defend
the sanctity of the institution of marriage, but weaken it."
-- Editorial in the Detroit Free Press.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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04 Feb 2004 04:09:46 PM |
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And so upon Sun, 01 Feb 2004 09:03:44 +0000 didst Pastor Frank speak
thusly:
"David Whitesen." <Whitesen@nospamt.com> wrote in message
news:401BF0BC.E4D5229E@nospamt.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"james_anatidae" <parshallNOSPAM@citcom.net> wrote in message
news:bvfjkk$6tlq$1@news3.infoave.net...
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"One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack religion,
because
religion makes men virtuous. So I am told; I have not noticed it."
-Bertrand Russell
You can't "notice" what you are not looking for, can you? Bertie
Russell
was a known libertine and not looking for "virtue" but rather much the
opposite.
"The same applies to the concept of an 'exclusively homosexually
orientated person.' This was a discovery of only 150 years ago.
Go to the Bible and it simply is not there. Often, people speak
of the clear Biblical teaching about how to deal pastorally
with homosexual people, but that is a real howler.
Wrong!!!! No heterosexual is inflamed with passion "burning in their
lust for each other", when looking at another of the same sex.
Except for the ones that are.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "James Riske james_riske@mail15_dot_com" |
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01 Feb 2004 04:41:03 AM |
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 09:03:44 GMT, "Pastor Frank" <pf@christfirst.com>
wrote:
"David Whitesen." <Whitesen@nospamt.com> wrote in message
news:401BF0BC.E4D5229E@nospamt.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"james_anatidae" <parshallNOSPAM@citcom.net> wrote in message
news:bvfjkk$6tlq$1@news3.infoave.net...
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"One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack religion,
because
religion makes men virtuous. So I am told; I have not noticed it."
-Bertrand Russell
You can't "notice" what you are not looking for, can you? Bertie
Russell
was a known libertine and not looking for "virtue" but rather much the
opposite.
"The same applies to the concept of an 'exclusively homosexually
orientated person.' This was a discovery of only 150 years ago.
Go to the Bible and it simply is not there. Often, people speak
of the clear Biblical teaching about how to deal pastorally
with homosexual people, but that is a real howler.
Wrong!!!! No heterosexual is inflamed with passion "burning in their
lust for each other", when looking at another of the same sex. See below
Anonymous homo "David Whitesen" has been humiliated on this topic
before, it will continue to lie, that is what all homos do on usenet,
in fact they have no choice in the matter.
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"Now I want you to remember that no ***** ever won a war by dying for his country.
You won it by making the other poor dumb ***** die for his country."
-- General George S. Patton, Jr.
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01 Feb 2004 12:06:19 PM |
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"James Riske" <james_riske@mail15_dot_com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 09:03:44 GMT, "Pastor Frank" <pf@christfirst.com>
wrote:
"David Whitesen." <Whitesen@nospamt.com> wrote in message
news:401BF0BC.E4D5229E@nospamt.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"james_anatidae" <parshallNOSPAM@citcom.net> wrote in message
news:bvfjkk$6tlq$1@news3.infoave.net...
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"One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack
religion,
because
religion makes men virtuous. So I am told; I have not noticed it."
-Bertrand Russell
You can't "notice" what you are not looking for, can you? Bertie
Russell
was a known libertine and not looking for "virtue" but rather much
the
opposite.
"The same applies to the concept of an 'exclusively homosexually
orientated person.' This was a discovery of only 150 years ago.
Go to the Bible and it simply is not there. Often, people speak
of the clear Biblical teaching about how to deal pastorally
with homosexual people, but that is a real howler.
Wrong!!!! No heterosexual is inflamed with passion "burning in their
lust for each other", when looking at another of the same sex. See below
Anonymous homo "David Whitesen" has been humiliated on this topic
before, it will continue to lie, that is what all homos do on usenet,
in fact they have no choice in the matter.
"No choice"? How far are you willing to push this idea? Loving another
is no sin. The sin is trying to copulate with someone of the same sex, or of
the opposite sex without the benefit of marriage.
With whom you copulate is indeed a free "choice".
--
Pastor Frank
Rom 24: Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of
their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 09:03:44 GMT, "Pastor Frank" <pf@christfirst.com>
wrote:
"David Whitesen." <Whitesen@nospamt.com> wrote in message
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"james_anatidae" <parshallNOSPAM@citcom.net> wrote in message
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"One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack
religion,
because
religion makes men virtuous. So I am told; I have not noticed it."
-Bertrand Russell
You can't "notice" what you are not looking for, can you? Bertie
Russell
was a known libertine and not looking for "virtue" but rather much
the
opposite.
"The same applies to the concept of an 'exclusively homosexually
orientated person.' This was a discovery of only 150 years ago.
Go to the Bible and it simply is not there. Often, people speak
of the clear Biblical teaching about how to deal pastorally
with homosexual people, but that is a real howler.
Wrong!!!! No heterosexual is inflamed with passion "burning in their
lust for each other", when looking at another of the same sex. See below
Anonymous homo "David Whitesen" has been humiliated on this topic
before, it will continue to lie, that is what all homos do on usenet,
in fact they have no choice in the matter.
"No choice"? How far are you willing to push this idea? Loving another
is no sin. The sin is trying to copulate with someone of the same sex, or of
the opposite sex without the benefit of marriage.
With whom you copulate is indeed a free "choice".
--
Pastor Frank
I thought a pastor is supposed to know the Commandments. "Thou shalt
not commit adultery" means don't sleep around after you are married.
That's it.
The law you just made up had no basis.
Shan
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02 Feb 2004 08:00:40 AM |
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"Shan" <shankarees@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <pf@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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"James Riske" <james_riske@mail15_dot_com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 09:03:44 GMT, "Pastor Frank" <pf@christfirst.com>
wrote:
"David Whitesen." <Whitesen@nospamt.com> wrote in message
news:401BF0BC.E4D5229E@nospamt.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"james_anatidae" <parshallNOSPAM@citcom.net> wrote in message
news:bvfjkk$6tlq$1@news3.infoave.net...
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"One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack
religion,
because
religion makes men virtuous. So I am told; I have not noticed
it."
-Bertrand Russell
You can't "notice" what you are not looking for, can you?
Bertie
Russell
was a known libertine and not looking for "virtue" but rather
much
the
opposite.
"The same applies to the concept of an 'exclusively homosexually
orientated person.' This was a discovery of only 150 years ago.
Go to the Bible and it simply is not there. Often, people speak
of the clear Biblical teaching about how to deal pastorally
with homosexual people, but that is a real howler.
Wrong!!!! No heterosexual is inflamed with passion "burning in
their
lust for each other", when looking at another of the same sex. See
below
Anonymous homo "David Whitesen" has been humiliated on this topic
before, it will continue to lie, that is what all homos do on usenet,
in fact they have no choice in the matter.
"No choice"? How far are you willing to push this idea? Loving
another
is no sin. The sin is trying to copulate with someone of the same sex,
or of
the opposite sex without the benefit of marriage.
With whom you copulate is indeed a free "choice".
I thought a pastor is supposed to know the Commandments. "Thou shalt
not commit adultery" means don't sleep around after you are married.
That's it. The law you just made up had no basis.
Shan
Are you sure your sentence doesn't imply, you can therefore fornicate
the hell out of everything that opens its legs, or bends over, depending on
your sexual preferences, *before* you are married?
--
Pastor Frank
Rom 1:24: Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the
lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
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03 Feb 2004 10:57:16 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <pf@christfirst.com> wrote in
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"Shan" <shankarees@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <pf@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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"James Riske" <james_riske@mail15_dot_com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 09:03:44 GMT, "Pastor Frank"
<pf@christfirst.com> wrote:
"David Whitesen." <Whitesen@nospamt.com> wrote in message
news:401BF0BC.E4D5229E@nospamt.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"james_anatidae" <parshallNOSPAM@citcom.net> wrote in
message news:bvfjkk$6tlq$1@news3.infoave.net...
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"One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to
attack
religion,
because
religion makes men virtuous. So I am told; I have
not noticed
it."
-Bertrand Russell
You can't "notice" what you are not looking for,
can you?
Bertie
Russell
was a known libertine and not looking for "virtue" but
rather
much
the
opposite.
"The same applies to the concept of an 'exclusively
homosexually orientated person.' This was a discovery of
only 150 years ago. Go to the Bible and it simply is not
there. Often, people speak of the clear Biblical
teaching about how to deal pastorally with homosexual
people, but that is a real howler.
Wrong!!!! No heterosexual is inflamed with passion
"burning in
their
lust for each other", when looking at another of the same
sex. See
below
Anonymous homo "David Whitesen" has been humiliated on this
topic before, it will continue to lie, that is what all
homos do on usenet, in fact they have no choice in the
matter.
"No choice"? How far are you willing to push this idea?
Loving
another
is no sin. The sin is trying to copulate with someone of the
same sex,
or of
the opposite sex without the benefit of marriage.
With whom you copulate is indeed a free "choice".
I thought a pastor is supposed to know the Commandments. "Thou
shalt not commit adultery" means don't sleep around after you
are married. That's it. The law you just made up had no basis.
Shan
Are you sure your sentence doesn't imply, you can therefore
fornicate
the hell out of everything that opens its legs, or bends over,
depending on your sexual preferences, *before* you are married?
Darling heart, the sin of fornication refers to having sex in the
form of idolitry, pure and simple. Where the hell you get
adultary = fornication I don't know but you are wrong. Men are
capable of fornication but at the time of the Bible adultary was
purely a females only sin.
--
Bernard Hubbard
Australian, Gay, Green and Proud.
If you find yourself staring at a carton of orange juice because
the package
says concentrate, you must be a redneck.
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03 Feb 2004 07:11:44 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <pf@christfirst.com> wrote in message news:<8bfe52759374a1a5daa42ddb62b5e8bb@news.teranews.com>...
"Shan" <shankarees@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:71bd538c.0402011842.2096865e@posting.google.com...
"Pastor Frank" <pf@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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"James Riske" <james_riske@mail15_dot_com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 09:03:44 GMT, "Pastor Frank" <pf@christfirst.com>
wrote:
"David Whitesen." <Whitesen@nospamt.com> wrote in message
news:401BF0BC.E4D5229E@nospamt.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"james_anatidae" <parshallNOSPAM@citcom.net> wrote in message
news:bvfjkk$6tlq$1@news3.infoave.net...
-
"One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack
religion,
because
religion makes men virtuous. So I am told; I have not noticed
it."
-Bertrand Russell
You can't "notice" what you are not looking for, can you?
Bertie
Russell
was a known libertine and not looking for "virtue" but rather
much
the
opposite.
"The same applies to the concept of an 'exclusively homosexually
orientated person.' This was a discovery of only 150 years ago.
Go to the Bible and it simply is not there. Often, people speak
of the clear Biblical teaching about how to deal pastorally
with homosexual people, but that is a real howler.
Wrong!!!! No heterosexual is inflamed with passion "burning in
their
lust for each other", when looking at another of the same sex. See
below
Anonymous homo "David Whitesen" has been humiliated on this topic
before, it will continue to lie, that is what all homos do on usenet,
in fact they have no choice in the matter.
"No choice"? How far are you willing to push this idea? Loving
another
is no sin. The sin is trying to copulate with someone of the same sex,
or of
the opposite sex without the benefit of marriage.
With whom you copulate is indeed a free "choice".
I thought a pastor is supposed to know the Commandments. "Thou shalt
not commit adultery" means don't sleep around after you are married.
That's it. The law you just made up had no basis.
Shan
Are you sure your sentence doesn't imply, you can therefore fornicate
the hell out of everything that opens its legs, or bends over, depending on
your sexual preferences, *before* you are married?
Yes. You can fornicate all you want. How many "Christians" have
pre-marital sex today in America? Have you had pre-marital sex? Most
probably, yes. Is that fornication? Of course, it is. Are you going
to hell for it? No. Fornicators do not break the Ten Commandments.
Shan
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| User: "David Whitesen." |
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03 Feb 2004 10:07:47 AM |
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Shan wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <pf@christfirst.com> wrote in message news:<8bfe52759374a1a5daa42ddb62b5e8bb@news.teranews.com>...
"Shan" <shankarees@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:71bd538c.0402011842.2096865e@posting.google.com...
"Pastor Frank" <pf@christfirst.com> wrote in message
news:<12b9650698ad55bbbfc8096b6dfc2217@news.teranews.com>...
"James Riske" <james_riske@mail15_dot_com> wrote in message
news:2plp109ldrfu03f5iq1o2u6b2soos20anp@4ax.com...
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 09:03:44 GMT, "Pastor Frank" <pf@christfirst.com>
wrote:
"David Whitesen." <Whitesen@nospamt.com> wrote in message
news:401BF0BC.E4D5229E@nospamt.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"james_anatidae" <parshallNOSPAM@citcom.net> wrote in message
news:bvfjkk$6tlq$1@news3.infoave.net...
-
"One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack
religion,
because
religion makes men virtuous. So I am told; I have not noticed
it."
-Bertrand Russell
You can't "notice" what you are not looking for, can you?
Bertie
Russell
was a known libertine and not looking for "virtue" but rather
much
the
opposite.
"The same applies to the concept of an 'exclusively homosexually
orientated person.' This was a discovery of only 150 years ago.
Go to the Bible and it simply is not there. Often, people speak
of the clear Biblical teaching about how to deal pastorally
with homosexual people, but that is a real howler.
Wrong!!!! No heterosexual is inflamed with passion "burning in
their
lust for each other", when looking at another of the same sex. See
below
Anonymous homo "David Whitesen" has been humiliated on this topic
before, it will continue to lie, that is what all homos do on usenet,
in fact they have no choice in the matter.
"No choice"? How far are you willing to push this idea? Loving
another
is no sin. The sin is trying to copulate with someone of the same sex,
or of
the opposite sex without the benefit of marriage.
With whom you copulate is indeed a free "choice".
I thought a pastor is supposed to know the Commandments. "Thou shalt
not commit adultery" means don't sleep around after you are married.
That's it. The law you just made up had no basis.
Shan
Are you sure your sentence doesn't imply, you can therefore fornicate
the hell out of everything that opens its legs, or bends over, depending on
your sexual preferences, *before* you are married?
Yes. You can fornicate all you want. How many "Christians" have
pre-marital sex today in America? Have you had pre-marital sex? Most
probably, yes. Is that fornication? Of course, it is.
Not, fornication is temple prostitution, not sex out of wedlock.
Fornication
zanah {zaw-naw'} to be a cult prostitute
Mat 5:
32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his "WIFE,"
saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery:
and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
A "wife" can be put away for fornication, clearly it is not sex out of
wedlock, the lie continues.
Are you going
to hell for it? No. Fornicators do not break the Ten Commandments.
Shan
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| User: "Shan" |
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| Title: Re: There is no such thing as a Christian homosexual |
03 Feb 2004 06:29:03 PM |
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"David Whitesen." <Whitesen@nospamt.com> wrote in message news:<401FC659.E44B2E58@nospamt.com>...
Shan wrote:
Anonymous homo "David Whitesen" has been humiliated on this topic
before, it will continue to lie, that is what all homos do on usenet,
in fact they have no choice in the matter.
"No choice"? How far are you willing to push this idea? Loving
another
is no sin. The sin is trying to copulate with someone of the same sex,
or of
the opposite sex without the benefit of marriage.
With whom you copulate is indeed a free "choice".
I thought a pastor is supposed to know the Commandments. "Thou shalt
not commit adultery" means don't sleep around after you are married.
That's it. The law you just made up had no basis.
Shan
Are you sure your sentence doesn't imply, you can therefore fornicate
the hell out of everything that opens its legs, or bends over, depending on
your sexual preferences, *before* you are married?
Yes. You can fornicate all you want. How many "Christians" have
pre-marital sex today in America? Have you had pre-marital sex? Most
probably, yes. Is that fornication? Of course, it is.
Not, fornication is temple prostitution, not sex out of wedlock.
Fornication has nothing to do with holy prostitution.
What is sex out of wedlock, if it is not fornication?
Fornication zanah {zaw-naw'} to be a cult prostitute
Zanah or zenah means adultery.
Mat 5:
32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his "WIFE,"
saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery:
and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
A "wife" can be put away for fornication, clearly it is not sex out of
wedlock, the lie continues.
Fornication is used in this sense to mean sleeps around -- adultery of
the wife. Adultery is more used to refer to a man who sleeps around.
Are you going
to hell for it? No. Fornicators do not break the Ten Commandments.
The fact remains, fornicators do not break the Ten Commandments.
There is no commandment that says "Thou shalt not fornicate"
Shan
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| User: "Daniel Flanagan" |
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| Title: Re: There is no such thing as a Christian homosexual |
04 Feb 2004 12:01:23 AM |
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Shan wrote:
"David Whitesen." <Whitesen@nospamt.com> wrote in message news:<401FC659.E44B2E58@nospamt.com>...
Shan wrote:
Anonymous homo "David Whitesen" has been humiliated on this topic
before, it will continue to lie, that is what all homos do on usenet,
in fact they have no choice in the matter.
"No choice"? How far are you willing to push this idea? Loving
another
is no sin. The sin is trying to copulate with someone of the same sex,
or of
the opposite sex without the benefit of marriage.
With whom you copulate is indeed a free "choice".
I thought a pastor is supposed to know the Commandments. "Thou shalt
not commit adultery" means don't sleep around after you are married.
That's it. The law you just made up had no basis.
Shan
Are you sure your sentence doesn't imply, you can therefore fornicate
the hell out of everything that opens its legs, or bends over, depending on
your sexual preferences, *before* you are married?
Yes. You can fornicate all you want. How many "Christians" have
pre-marital sex today in America? Have you had pre-marital sex? Most
probably, yes. Is that fornication? Of course, it is.
Not, fornication is temple prostitution, not sex out of wedlock.
Fornication has nothing to do with holy prostitution.
zanah 1.to commit fornication, be a harlot, play the
harlot, to be a cult prostitute
taznuwth 1.fornication, harlotry, cult prostitution
ekporneuo 1.to go a whoring
porneia of the defilement of idolatry
pornos 1.to prostitute one's body to the lust of another
in cult prostitution, whoremonger (pimp).
2.to give one's self to unlawful sexual
intercourse
a.to commit fornication
3.metaph. to be given to idolatry, to worship
idols
a.to permit one's self to be drawn away
by another into idolatry
What is sex out of wedlock, if it is not fornication?
Fornication zanah {zaw-naw'} to be a cult prostitute
Zanah or zenah means adultery.
And married heterosexual had sex in wedlock with temple
prostitutes. A "wife" can be put away for fornication, it
cannot mean sex out of wedlock as misused today.
Mat 5:
32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his "WIFE,"
saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery:
and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
A "wife" can be put away for fornication, clearly it is not sex out of
wedlock, the lie continues.
Fornication is used in this sense to mean sleeps around -- adultery of
the wife. Adultery is more used to refer to a man who sleeps around.
Then it does not mean sex out of wedlock, having sex with
temple prostitutes or being a temple prostitute is adultery.
Adultery is a property rights violation. Women and children
were the property of the father or the husband.
Are you going
to hell for it? No. Fornicators do not break the Ten Commandments.
The fact remains, fornicators do not break the Ten Commandments.
There is no commandment that says "Thou shalt not fornicate"
Update your brain.
Adam Clarke's Commentary
1 Cor 5:
Verse 1. There is fornication among you] The word porneia, which
we translate fornication in this place, must be understood in its
utmost latitude of meaning, as implying all kinds of impurity; for, that
the Corinthians were notoriously guilty of every species of irregularity
and debauch, we have already seen; and it is not likely that in speaking
on this subject, in reference to a people so very notorious, he would
refer to only one species of impurity, and that not the most flagitious.
Matthew Henry Commentary
1 Cor 6:
I. The body is not for fornication, but for the Lord. This is the
first argument he uses against this sin, for which the heathen
inhabitants of Corinth were infamous, and the converts to Christianity
retained too favourable an opinion of it. It is making things to cross
their intention and use. The body is not for fornication; it was never
formed for any such purpose, but for the Lord, for the service
and honour of God. It is to be an instrument of righteousness to
holiness (Rom. vi. 19), and therefore is never to be made an
instrument of uncleanness. It is to be a member of Christ, and
therefore must not be made the member of a harlot, v. 15. And
the Lord is for the body, that is, as some think, Christ is to be Lord
of the body, to have property in it and dominion over it, having
assumed a body and been made to partake of our nature, that he
might be head of his church, and head over all things, Heb. ii. 5, 18.
Note, We must take care that we do not use what belongs to
Christ as if it were our own, and much less to his dishonour.
Adam Clarke's Commentary:
Romans, 1
Verse 23. They changed the glory,] The finest representation of
their deities was in the human figure; and on such representative
figures the sculptors spent all their skill; hence the HERCULES of
Farnese, the VENUS of Medicis, and the APOLLO of Belvidere.
And when they had formed their gods according to the human shape,
they endowed them with human passions; and as they clothed them
with attributes of extraordinary strength, beauty, wisdom, &c., not
having the true principles of morality, they represented them as
slaves to the most disorderly and disgraceful passions; excelling in
irregularities the most profligate of men, as possessing unlimited
powers of sensual gratification.
Verse 26. For this cause God gave them up]. Their system
of idolatry necessarily produced all kinds of impurity.
How could it be otherwise, when the highest objects of
their worship were adulterers, fornicators, and prostitutes
of the most infamous kind, such as Jupiter, Apollo, Mars, Venus.
Verse 27. Receiving in themselves that recompense,] Both
the women and men, by their unnatural prostitutions, enervated
their bodies, so that barrenness prevailed, and those disorders
which are necessarily attendant on prostitution and sodomitical
practices.
Adam Clarke's Commentary
Ezek 16:
Verse 24. Thou hast also built unto thee an eminent place a
stew or brothel, a bordel house.
Corinth
For 1 Cor 6:9
Paul's epistle to the Corinthians shows that divisions had
sprung up in the Christian church. The congregation had
preferred showy, ecstatic gifts of the spirit such as
speaking in tongues, the celibate life, eating meat offered
to idols. Christian freedom was the theme against
self-righteous legalism. I Corinthians was written by Paul
from Ephesus in the spring of 55 and the second epistle about
two years later. First Corinthians was a failure for it did
not accomplish the main purpose for which it was written.
The factions in the church of Corinth, so far from putting
aside their differences and blending harmoniously into a
unified church life, shifted just enough to unite all who
for any reason objected to Paul and then faced him and each
other more rancorously than ever. The chief characteristic
of Paul's second letter is its boldness. So far from
apologizing for himself, he boasts and glories in his
authority, his endowments, and his achievements.
A wide open city, Corinth was famous for wealth and vice.
In earlier centuries Corinth was known for the temple of
Aphrodite, the goddess of love, which was served by cult
prostitutes. The Temple of Aphrodite with its thousands of
priestess prostitutes gave license to sensual revelry and
sexual immorality, the "Corinthian Girls" were harlots.
The word "Corinthian" is still used for one wholly given
to dissipation and debauchery. Long after the temple had
been destroyed by the Romans (146 BC) the city’s reputation
for immorality lingered. Yet in this predominately pagan
city, Paul founded his most successful church.
The temple was at the summit of Acrocorinth and at the
center of the city stood the marketplace, with its bronze
statue of Athena and the temple of Apollo. Its riches
produced pride, ostentation, effeminacy, and all the vices
generally consequent on plenty. Lasciviousness was not
only tolerated but consecrated here by the worship of
Venus and the notorious prostitution of numerous attendants
devoted to her.
http://latter-rain.com/background/corinth.htm
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04 Feb 2004 07:25:29 AM |
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Daniel Flanagan <Flan@nosganz.com> wrote in message news:<4020895F.C2EA221E@nosganz.com>...
Shan wrote:
"David Whitesen." <Whitesen@nospamt.com> wrote in message news:<401FC659.E44B2E58@nospamt.com>...
Shan wrote:
Fornication has nothing to do with holy prostitution.
zanah 1.to commit fornication, be a harlot, play the
harlot, to be a cult prostitute
This proves you that your linguistic abilities are very limited. All
adultery is zanah.
What is sex out of wedlock, if it is not fornication?
You failed to answer this vital question.
Fornication zanah {zaw-naw'} to be a cult prostitute
Zanah or zenah means adultery.
And married heterosexual had sex in wedlock with temple
prostitutes. A "wife" can be put away for fornication, it
cannot mean sex out of wedlock as misused today.
Temple prostitution or holy prostitution is in institutions which all
women had to engage in before marriage:
"It was a law..., that she who was about to marry should sit in
fornication seven days by the gate."
"In Cyprus it appears that before marriage all women were formerly
obliged by custom to prostitute themselves to strangers at the
sanctuary of the goddess and to dedicate to the goddess the wages
earned by this sanctified harlotry. The sacred precinct was crowded
with women waiting to observe the custom. Some of them had to wait
there for years. At Paphos the custom of religious prostitution is
said to have been instituted by King Cinyras, and to have been
practiced by his daughters, the sisters of Adonis, who, having
incurred the wrath of Aphrodite, mated with strangers and ended their
days in Egypt. In this form of the tradition the wrath of Aphrodite is
probably a feature added by a later authority, who could only regard
conduct which shocked his own moral sense as a punishment inflicted by
the goddess instead of as a sacrifice regularly enjoined by her on all
her devotees. At all events the story indicates that the princesses of
Paphos had to conform to the custom as well as women of humble birth."
(Grimal, Pierre, Larousse World Mythology, Secaucus, New Jersey,
Chartwell Books, 1965, pp. 94, 132 -- Cotterell, Arthur, A Dictionary
of World Mythology, New York, G. P. Putman's Sons, 1980, p. 23 --
Frazer, James George The Golden Bough, 1922
Then it does not mean sex out of wedlock, having sex with
temple prostitutes or being a temple prostitute is adultery.
Adultery is a property rights violation. Women and children
were the property of the father or the husband.
Don't write about sex out of wedlock before you define what it is in
the moral sense.
The fact remains, fornicators do not break the Ten Commandments.
There is no commandment that says "Thou shalt not fornicate"
Update your brain.
Go ***** yourself.
Shan
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04 Feb 2004 10:02:09 AM |
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On 4 Feb 2004 05:25:29 -0800,
(Shan) spake thusly:
Daniel Flanagan <Flan@nosganz.com> wrote in message news:<4020895F.C2EA221E@nosganz.com>...
Shan wrote:
"David Whitesen." <Whitesen@nospamt.com> wrote in message news:<401FC659.E44B2E58@nospamt.com>...
Shan wrote:
Fornication has nothing to do with holy prostitution.
zanah 1.to commit fornication, be a harlot, play the
harlot, to be a cult prostitute
This proves you that your linguistic abilities are very limited. All
adultery is zanah.
What is sex out of wedlock, if it is not fornication?
You failed to answer this vital question.
Fornication zanah {zaw-naw'} to be a cult prostitute
Zanah or zenah means adultery.
And married heterosexual had sex in wedlock with temple
prostitutes. A "wife" can be put away for fornication, it
cannot mean sex out of wedlock as misused today.
Temple prostitution or holy prostitution is in institutions which all
women had to engage in before marriage:
"It was a law..., that she who was about to marry should sit in
fornication seven days by the gate."
"In Cyprus it appears that before marriage all women were formerly
obliged by custom to prostitute themselves to strangers at the
sanctuary of the goddess and to dedicate to the goddess the wages
earned by this sanctified harlotry. The sacred precinct was crowded
with women waiting to observe the custom. Some of them had to wait
there for years. At Paphos the custom of religious prostitution is
said to have been instituted by King Cinyras, and to have been
practiced by his daughters, the sisters of Adonis, who, having
incurred the wrath of Aphrodite, mated with strangers and ended their
days in Egypt. In this form of the tradition the wrath of Aphrodite is
probably a feature added by a later authority, who could only regard
conduct which shocked his own moral sense as a punishment inflicted by
the goddess instead of as a sacrifice regularly enjoined by her on all
her devotees. At all events the story indicates that the princesses of
Paphos had to conform to the custom as well as women of humble birth."
(Grimal, Pierre, Larousse World Mythology, Secaucus, New Jersey,
Chartwell Books, 1965, pp. 94, 132 -- Cotterell, Arthur, A Dictionary
of World Mythology, New York, G. P. Putman's Sons, 1980, p. 23 --
Frazer, James George The Golden Bough, 1922
This has nothing to do with Jesus and what He said in
Matthew.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"Many fossils have been collected since 1859, tons of
them, yet the impact they have had on our understanding
of the relationships between living organisms is barely
perceptible. ...In fact, I do not think it unfair to
say that fossils, or at least the traditional
interpretation of fossils, have clouded rather than
clarified our attempts to reconstruct phylogeny."
(Fortey, P. L., "Neontological Analysis Versus
Palaeontological Stores," 1982, p. 120-121)
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04 Feb 2004 07:00:25 AM |
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On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 06:01:23 GMT, Daniel Flanagan
<Flan@nosganz.com> spake thusly:
Not, fornication is temple prostitution, not sex out of wedlock.
Fornication has nothing to do with holy prostitution.
zanah 1.to commit fornication, be a harlot, play the
harlot, to be a cult prostitute
taznuwth 1.fornication, harlotry, cult prostitution
ekporneuo 1.to go a whoring
porneia of the defilement of idolatry
pornos 1.to prostitute one's body to the lust of another
in cult prostitution, whoremonger (pimp).
2.to give one's self to unlawful sexual
intercourse
a.to commit fornication
3.metaph. to be given to idolatry, to worship
idols
a.to permit one's self to be drawn away
by another into idolatry
I don't know where you got your lexicon, but it's off.
What is sex out of wedlock, if it is not fornication?
Fornication zanah {zaw-naw'} to be a cult prostitute
Zanah or zenah means adultery.
And married heterosexual had sex in wedlock with temple
prostitutes. A "wife" can be put away for fornication, it
cannot mean sex out of wedlock as misused today.
It does mean that, as my other post showed.
Adam Clarke's Commentary
1 Cor 5:
Verse 1. There is fornication among you] The word porneia, which
we translate fornication in this place, must be understood in its
utmost latitude of meaning, as implying all kinds of impurity; for, that
the Corinthians were notoriously guilty of every species of irregularity
and debauch, we have already seen; and it is not likely that in speaking
on this subject, in reference to a people so very notorious, he would
refer to only one species of impurity, and that not the most flagitious.
Even if true, which cannot be said dogmatically, it
does not say that it doesn't mean sex out of wedlock.
Not only this, but you completely misunderstand how
marriage was done back then.
Matthew Henry Commentary
1 Cor 6:
I. The body is not for fornication, but for the Lord. This is the
first argument he uses against this sin, for which the heathen
inhabitants of Corinth were infamous, and the converts to Christianity
retained too favourable an opinion of it. It is making things to cross
their intention and use. The body is not for fornication; it was never
formed for any such purpose, but for the Lord, for the service
and honour of God. It is to be an instrument of righteousness to
holiness (Rom. vi. 19), and therefore is never to be made an
instrument of uncleanness. It is to be a member of Christ, and
therefore must not be made the member of a harlot, v. 15. And
the Lord is for the body, that is, as some think, Christ is to be Lord
of the body, to have property in it and dominion over it, having
assumed a body and been made to partake of our nature, that he
might be head of his church, and head over all things, Heb. ii. 5, 18.
Note, We must take care that we do not use what belongs to
Christ as if it were our own, and much less to his dishonour.
This does not say anything about married men with cult
prostitutes.
Adam Clarke's Commentary:
Romans, 1
Verse 23. They changed the glory,] The finest representation of
their deities was in the human figure; and on such representative
figures the sculptors spent all their skill; hence the HERCULES of
Farnese, the VENUS of Medicis, and the APOLLO of Belvidere.
And when they had formed their gods according to the human shape,
they endowed them with human passions; and as they clothed them
with attributes of extraordinary strength, beauty, wisdom, &c., not
having the true principles of morality, they represented them as
slaves to the most disorderly and disgraceful passions; excelling in
irregularities the most profligate of men, as possessing unlimited
powers of sensual gratification.
Verse 26. For this cause God gave them up]. Their system
of idolatry necessarily produced all kinds of impurity.
How could it be otherwise, when the highest objects of
their worship were adulterers, fornicators, and prostitutes
of the most infamous kind, such as Jupiter, Apollo, Mars, Venus.
Verse 27. Receiving in themselves that recompense,] Both
the women and men, by their unnatural prostitutions, enervated
their bodies, so that barrenness prevailed, and those disorders
which are necessarily attendant on prostitution and sodomitical
practices.
This is a commentary on Romans 1, not Matthew.
<snip>
You're just bouncing all over the place.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
Theistic evolutionists are out to please men,
rather than God. They claim to believe in a
virgin birth, people rising from the dead, water
turned into wine and yet, they don't believe that
God created the heaven and the earth in six literal
days, thereby making hypocrites of themselves. Why?
Because man says it isn't so and they would rather
try to please men, instead of choosing to believe
God and stand up for Him. Preachers who claim
theistic evolution are the biggest hypocrites of all
and are in the most danger. Why? Read Isaiah 9:16;
Jeremiah 23:1, 50:6. What do YOU stand for?
"...choose this day whom you will serve. ...as for
me and my house, we will serve the Lord." - Jos 24:15
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03 Feb 2004 09:53:28 PM |
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Shan wrote:
What is sex out of wedlock, if it is not fornication?
A Clinton impersonation?
<insert gong here>
--
"The sponsor of one of the bills that would outlaw gay marriages in Michigan asserts that same-sex unions would 'lead to further disintegration of the traditional family unit.' But it appears at least worth asking how a public declaration of commitment, monogamy and permanence by any two people would subvert family values. Strong marriages are the foundation of strong families and a strong nation, but committed relationships can and do take different forms. At their best, marriages are tangible expressions of love, respect, security, social stability and human dignity. Preemptive legislation that presumes only heterosexual relationships invoke that kind of commitment may not defend the sanctity of the institution of marriage, but weaken it."
-- Editorial in the Detroit Free Press.
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