Religions > Bible > There is NO Valid Reason to Block Same-Sex Marriage. NONE, whatsoever.
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"Craig Chilton" |
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09 Feb 2004 09:43:56 PM |
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There is NO Valid Reason to Block Same-Sex Marriage. NONE, whatsoever. |
For months, now, I have challenged the Anti-Gay-Rights
bigots to produce so much as even ***ONE FACT*** that
supports their loathsome and hateful stance against this
reasonable and sensible human right.
NO one has been able to do that.
So their ONLY possible reason is homophobic bigotry.
Which is worth precisely as much as racial bigotry.
Not a plugged Confederate penny.
-- Craig Chilton
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| User: "Adam H." |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is not wrong at any levels. |
14 Feb 2004 06:27:45 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:31:12 -0500, "Osprey" <>
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"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On 14 Feb 2004 10:38:21 -0800, (osprey) wrote:
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On 14 Feb 2004 02:49:59 -0800, (osprey) wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
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Osprey < > wrote:
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
And there is no evidence that homosexuality is a chosen
orientation
any more than hetero is.
Sure there is, plenty of cases. You just want to avoid it.
Take Heishman, for example. He's turned on by looking at naked men,
but he _chooses_ to be heterosexual.
<snicker>
Fischer, the one who likes to talk about shoving things up
orifices...ROFL
YOU were the one with the child-sex fantasies, Bobby. I'd say your
moral ground is a swamp, and you're sinking fast.
It is a shame you must lie about others.
Which lies are those, Bobby?
7 lines up.
You were the one making up situations
involving having sex with children.
doesn't mean that it was I with the fantasies.
I accept your apology
You're a sad sack, Bobby. Get this straight: I'll never apologize for
pointing out the sickness of your fantasies.
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"A man's ethical behavior should be based
effectually on sympathy, education, and social
ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man
would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be
restrained by fear of punishment and hope of
reward after death."
Albert Einstein
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is not wrong at any levels. |
14 Feb 2004 08:28:41 PM |
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"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:31:12 -0500, "Osprey" < >
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"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On 14 Feb 2004 10:38:21 -0800, (osprey) wrote:
Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On 14 Feb 2004 02:49:59 -0800, (osprey) wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
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Osprey < > wrote:
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
And there is no evidence that homosexuality is a chosen
orientation
any more than hetero is.
Sure there is, plenty of cases. You just want to avoid it.
Take Heishman, for example. He's turned on by looking at naked
men,
but he _chooses_ to be heterosexual.
<snicker>
Fischer, the one who likes to talk about shoving things up
orifices...ROFL
YOU were the one with the child-sex fantasies, Bobby. I'd say your
moral ground is a swamp, and you're sinking fast.
It is a shame you must lie about others.
Which lies are those, Bobby?
7 lines up.
You were the one making up situations
involving having sex with children.
doesn't mean that it was I with the fantasies.
I accept your apology
You're a sad sack, Bobby. Get this straight: I'll never apologize for
pointing out the sickness of your fantasies.
Then you continue to lie
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| User: "torresD" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is not wrong at any levels. |
16 Feb 2004 12:13:36 PM |
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Not at all.
Bush II agrees, he certainly is a closet homosexual.
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| User: "Howd E. Doodat" |
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13 Feb 2004 08:34:20 PM |
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:24:26 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
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"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 04:38:11 GMT, "Thomas Trust"
<ThomasTrust@newsworthy.com> wrote:
Premise: Homosexuality is a result of a failure to succeed at
heterosexual
relationships.
No, that's not a premise. That's just a dumb-***** statement.
He is right though, they can't succeed at a heterosexual relationship
And homosexuality is chosen. I know thousands of cases where it was a
chosen act.
Thousands?
Then you would have no problems documenting 1 or 2 of them, right?
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| User: "Osprey" |
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13 Feb 2004 09:05:04 PM |
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"Howd E. Doodat" <Howd@freagin.happen> wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:24:26 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
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"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 04:38:11 GMT, "Thomas Trust"
<ThomasTrust@newsworthy.com> wrote:
Premise: Homosexuality is a result of a failure to succeed at
heterosexual
relationships.
No, that's not a premise. That's just a dumb-***** statement.
He is right though, they can't succeed at a heterosexual relationship
And homosexuality is chosen. I know thousands of cases where it was a
chosen act.
Thousands?
Then you would have no problems documenting 1 or 2 of them, right?
Go to ANY prison
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| User: "Thomas Trust" |
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13 Feb 2004 12:08:28 AM |
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"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 04:38:11 GMT, "Thomas Trust"
<ThomasTrust@newsworthy.com> wrote:
Premise: Homosexuality is a result of a failure to succeed at
heterosexual
relationships.
No, that's not a premise. That's just a dumb-***** statement.
So in other words you can't address the premise at all, instead you attempt
to kill the message instead of answering the challenge.
Heterosexual relationships are normal, homosexual relationships are not.
Period.
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| User: "Light Templar" |
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13 Feb 2004 04:53:17 AM |
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"Thomas Trust" <ThomasTrust@newsworthy.com> wrote in message
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"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 04:38:11 GMT, "Thomas Trust"
<ThomasTrust@newsworthy.com> wrote:
Premise: Homosexuality is a result of a failure to succeed at
heterosexual
relationships.
No, that's not a premise. That's just a dumb-***** statement.
So in other words you can't address the premise at all, instead you
attempt
to kill the message instead of answering the challenge.
Heterosexual relationships are normal, homosexual relationships are not.
Please present recent, peer reviewed evidence to support your primise. If
you can not, then it is mere opinion, not a premise.
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| User: "Iain" |
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25 Feb 2004 06:30:27 AM |
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"Thomas Trust" <ThomasTrust@newsworthy.com> wrote in message news:<wRZWb.168049$U%5.781985@attbi_s03>...
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 04:38:11 GMT, "Thomas Trust"
<ThomasTrust@newsworthy.com> wrote:
Premise: Homosexuality is a result of a failure to succeed at
heterosexual
relationships.
No, that's not a premise. That's just a dumb-***** statement.
So in other words you can't address the premise at all, instead you attempt
to kill the message instead of answering the challenge.
Heterosexual relationships are normal, homosexual relationships are not.
Mr Trust,
Who cares if it is not normal?
Iain
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| User: "Howd E. Doodat" |
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13 Feb 2004 01:01:26 AM |
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 06:08:28 GMT, "Thomas Trust"
<ThomasTrust@newsworthy.com> wrote:
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 04:38:11 GMT, "Thomas Trust"
<ThomasTrust@newsworthy.com> wrote:
Premise: Homosexuality is a result of a failure to succeed at
heterosexual
relationships.
No, that's not a premise. That's just a dumb-***** statement.
So in other words you can't address the premise at all, instead you attempt
to kill the message instead of answering the challenge.
Heterosexual relationships are normal, homosexual relationships are not.
Period.
Fine. Then YOU prove his premise, *****.
That's PROOF. Not anecdotes, not newspaper articles, not theory.
PROOF.
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| User: "Krisblake" |
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13 Feb 2004 04:36:17 AM |
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 06:08:28 GMT, "Thomas Trust"
<ThomasTrust@newsworthy.com> wrote:
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 04:38:11 GMT, "Thomas Trust"
<ThomasTrust@newsworthy.com> wrote:
Premise: Homosexuality is a result of a failure to succeed at
heterosexual
relationships.
No, that's not a premise. That's just a dumb-***** statement.
So in other words you can't address the premise at all, instead you attempt
to kill the message instead of answering the challenge.
Heterosexual relationships are normal, homosexual relationships are not.
Period.
In your opinion.
Period.
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| User: "Adam H." |
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13 Feb 2004 01:15:11 AM |
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 06:08:28 GMT, "Thomas Trust"
<ThomasTrust@newsworthy.com> wrote:
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 04:38:11 GMT, "Thomas Trust"
<ThomasTrust@newsworthy.com> wrote:
Premise: Homosexuality is a result of a failure to succeed at
heterosexual
relationships.
No, that's not a premise. That's just a dumb-***** statement.
So in other words you can't address the premise at all, instead you attempt
to kill the message instead of answering the challenge.
If you actually *had* a premise instead of a statement with no
support, it could be addressed. I'd suggest that you learn what that
word means.
Heterosexual relationships are normal, homosexual relationships are not.
Period.
Green eyes aren't normal. Left-handedness isn't normal. Period.
So what? Did you have a more profound point than to say that
homosexual relationships don't happen as often as others?
---
"A man's ethical behavior should be based
effectually on sympathy, education, and social
ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man
would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be
restrained by fear of punishment and hope of
reward after death."
Albert Einstein
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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12 Feb 2004 10:46:47 PM |
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Thomas Trust <ThomasTrust@newsworthy.com> wrote:
Premise: Homosexuality is a result of a failure to succeed at heterosexual
relationships.
Premise: Heterosexuality is a result of a failure to succeed at homosexual
relationships.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Thomas Trust" |
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13 Feb 2004 12:07:07 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Thomas Trust <ThomasTrust@newsworthy.com> wrote:
Premise: Homosexuality is a result of a failure to succeed at
heterosexual
relationships.
Premise: Heterosexuality is a result of a failure to succeed at
homosexual
relationships.
So in other words you can't address the reality, that homosexual behavior is
not normal.
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| User: "kaiwainz" |
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25 Feb 2004 10:31:32 PM |
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"Thomas Trust" <ThomasTrust@newsworthy.com> wrote in message news:<fQZWb.303865$na.459079@attbi_s04>...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Thomas Trust <ThomasTrust@newsworthy.com> wrote:
Premise: Homosexuality is a result of a failure to succeed at
heterosexual
relationships.
Premise: Heterosexuality is a result of a failure to succeed at
homosexual
relationships.
So in other words you can't address the reality, that homosexual behavior is
not normal.
Using the definition of normal being the majority of people are a
certain way, yes, being gay isn't normal but in terms of normal being
"not-weird" or "not strange", I certainly wouldn't consider myself
weird of strange, well, no stranger or weird than the next person.
Matt
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| User: "Krisblake" |
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13 Feb 2004 04:35:41 AM |
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 06:07:07 GMT, "Thomas Trust"
<ThomasTrust@newsworthy.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Thomas Trust <ThomasTrust@newsworthy.com> wrote:
Premise: Homosexuality is a result of a failure to succeed at
heterosexual
relationships.
Premise: Heterosexuality is a result of a failure to succeed at
homosexual
relationships.
So in other words you can't address the reality, that homosexual behavior is
not normal.
Homosexual behaviour?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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13 Feb 2004 12:08:51 AM |
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Thomas Trust <ThomasTrust@newsworthy.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
Thomas Trust <ThomasTrust@newsworthy.com> wrote:
Premise: Homosexuality is a result of a failure to succeed at heterosexual
relationships.
Premise: Heterosexuality is a result of a failure to succeed at homosexual
relationships.
So in other words you can't address the reality,
I just did.
that homosexual behavior is
not normal.
Says who?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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13 Feb 2004 12:10:24 AM |
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Thomas Trust <ThomasTrust@newsworthy.com> wrote:
"Letao" <letao@fire.and.fishing.net> wrote in message
"Thomas Trust" <ThomasTrust@newsworthy.com> wrote:
Repeating lies doesn't make them true.
Remaining steadfast in one's willful ignorance is not a virtue.
Whoever trained you to think it is does not have your best interest at
heart.
Your arrogance is pathetic.
Ah, you think that you're qualified to state what is moral and what is
not. You think you are qualified to decide how people should live.
You think you get to choose who is "normal" and who is not.
You elevate yourself above all other people and you call others
arrogant?!?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: There is NO Valid Reason to allow gay marriage. NONE, whatsoever. |
12 Feb 2004 12:18:01 AM |
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On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 04:21:11 GMT,
"Thomas Trust" wrote:
"Craig Chilton" < > wrote:
[ ... ]
My response to this post is in its PROPER location, in the
ORIGINAL thread, having *this* subject header:
There is NO Valid Reason to Block Same-Sex Marriage.
NONE, whatsoever.
Repeating lies doesn't make them true.
And yet you just keep right on DOING that.
Of course, bigots are learning-impaired, or they could never
support such loathesome, hateful, and sociopathic agendas
as they do in the first place.
-- Craig Chilton
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| User: "Thomas Trust" |
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| Title: Re: There is NO Valid Reason to allow gay marriage. NONE, whatsoever. |
12 Feb 2004 01:01:44 AM |
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"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 04:21:11 GMT,
"Thomas Trust" wrote:
"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
[ ... ]
My response to this post is in its PROPER location, in the
ORIGINAL thread, having *this* subject header:
There is NO Valid Reason to Block Same-Sex Marriage.
NONE, whatsoever.
Repeating lies doesn't make them true.
And yet you just keep right on DOING that.
Of course, bigots are learning-impaired, or they could never
support such loathesome, hateful, and sociopathic agendas
as they do in the first place.
It is not at all wrong to stand up for the belief that homosexuality is
morally, emotionally and functionally wrong. It is not at all wrong to
stand up for the institution of marriage.
Oh, and you're the one always using the labels and names......
Have a nice day.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: There is NO Valid Reason to allow gay marriage. NONE, whatsoever. |
12 Feb 2004 01:13:00 AM |
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"Thomas Trust" <ThomasTrust@newsworthy.com> wrote in message
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"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 04:21:11 GMT,
"Thomas Trust" wrote:
"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
[ ... ]
My response to this post is in its PROPER location, in the
ORIGINAL thread, having *this* subject header:
There is NO Valid Reason to Block Same-Sex Marriage.
NONE, whatsoever.
Repeating lies doesn't make them true.
And yet you just keep right on DOING that.
Of course, bigots are learning-impaired, or they could never
support such loathesome, hateful, and sociopathic agendas
as they do in the first place.
It is not at all wrong to stand up for the belief that homosexuality is
morally, emotionally and functionally wrong. It is not at all wrong to
stand up for the institution of marriage.
Oh, and you're the one always using the labels and names......
Have a nice day.
You are correct. There is nothing wrong with what you said at all.
Each and every one of us has issues we value. Some value abortion, some
value gay rights, some value marriage.
We all are entitled to stand up for what we believe in. To try and knock
someone down for simply doing that, they are basically participating
in censorship and wanting to take away that basic right of freedom of
speech.
Some of these people are doing just that. They will try and shout you down,
even resort to violence if you stand up against some issues..such as
homosexual marriage.
I for one, do not support gay marriage, as most American's don't either.
I don't care about a civil contract. The idea of marriage and what it
stands for is something I value and don't want to see degraded.
Marraige is, in my opinion, a union between a man and a woman.
Homosexual behavior is not normal, I don't care what anyone says. It is not
normal for a man to be with a man, or a woman to be with a woman.
Now naturally, many will say that it is normal and they will use animals as
a example.
Well some animals spread fecis to mark territory, or urinate on objects to
mark territory. So should we start doing that too because animals do it?
To say homosexuality is normal and base it on the animal kingdom, is taking
human down to the animal level.
Humans are above animals for several reasons, so there is no comparison with
sexual behavior.
We know what is right and what is wrong. Homosexual behavior is simply not
a normal behavior. And with that, it will most likely remain a behavior
that is unaccepted by most.
Most American's don't mind a civil contract agreement. It will basically
shut the homosexuals up and we can all move on and get over having to hear
about it on our TV's every night.
With a civil contract, they can get the benefits they want to have.
Leave marriage alone. Leave that for a man and a woman.
And I would also not support any churches as well who would perform any
marriage ceremony for homosexuals.
That leaves another question.
For the states that do pass laws recognizing homosexual marraige. What do
they do about church pastors that refuse to marry homosexual couples? Are
they going to sue them?
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| User: "Clay Colwell" |
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| Title: Re: There is NO Valid Reason to allow gay marriage. NONE, whatsoever. |
12 Feb 2004 10:22:41 AM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message news:<M5mdnWYasYDAurbd4p2dnA@comcast.com>...
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You are correct. There is nothing wrong with what you said at all.
Each and every one of us has issues we value. Some value abortion, some
value gay rights, some value marriage.
We all are entitled to stand up for what we believe in.
So far so good.....
To try and knock
someone down for simply doing that, they are basically participating
in censorship and wanting to take away that basic right of freedom of
speech.
But this is simply *****. Disagreement and critique, even when
couched in harsh language is NOTHING AT ALL like censorship. Everyone
is entitled to an opinion, but NO ONE is immune to having that opinion
challenged, and to claim that "well, it's my *opinion*!" is sufficient
to silence any opponent is just plain dumb.
Some of these people are doing just that. They will try and shout you down,
even resort to violence if you stand up against some issues..such as
homosexual marriage.
Some shot-dead and firebombed abortion doctors would like to speak
to you from the grave.
Yes, people get passionate over issues and beliefs. Don't think, however,
that you can wield the Broad Brush, mention a few zealots, and think to tar
the general group those zealots hail from without getting challenged on it.
I for one, do not support gay marriage, as most American's don't either.
I don't care about a civil contract.
Uh, hello. This whole brouhaha has been about same-sex couples gaining
access to CIVIL marriage, which *is* a civil contract.
The idea of marriage and what it
stands for is something I value and don't want to see degraded.
And what, pray tell, is so special about your idea of marriage that
same-sex couples cannot experience it? Ignore your knee-jerk man-woman
axiom for a moment, think about the specialness of the institution, and
explain why same-sex couples cannot share that same specialness.
And, again, we're talking about the CIVIL arena, here.
Marraige is, in my opinion, a union between a man and a woman.
Denying civil marriage to same-sex couples cannot be predicated on
solely an "opinion".
Homosexual behavior is not normal, I don't care what anyone says.
And that's why you're part of the problem: YOU DON'T CARE WHAT ANYONE
SAYS. That is the essence of a bigoted attitude.
It is not
normal for a man to be with a man, or a woman to be with a woman.
Now naturally, many will say that it is normal and they will use animals as
a example.
Well some animals spread fecis to mark territory, or urinate on objects to
mark territory. So should we start doing that too because animals do it?
To say homosexuality is normal and base it on the animal kingdom, is taking
human down to the animal level.
Humans are above animals for several reasons, so there is no comparison with
sexual behavior.
:: chuckle ::
And here we have the same Moebius strip of argumentation that argues
simultaneously that we should forbid something because it's "unnatural",
except that, when it's shown to be quite natural, *then* we want to be
"above the animals", e.g. UNnatural.
That lack-of-argument is beneath this discussion.
We know what is right and what is wrong.
Yep, murder, theft, rape, and other criminal behaviors that involve
wreaking gratuitous harm on another being.
Homosexual behavior is simply not a normal behavior.
In the statistical sense, surely. That fact, however, doesn't make
homosexual behavior wrong. If it did, then men would be wrong (given
that there are more women in the US than men), along with blonde hair,
blue eyes, left-handedness, and nearly all forms of religious expression.
And with that, it will most likely remain a behavior that is unaccepted
by most.
***** acceptance.
You can be free to personally not care for my being in love with another
man. Just don't stand in the way of my rights. Just like I would be wrong
to forbid civil marriage to those who wear socks with sandals, or to those
who eat avocados (simply because I loathe guacamole), you're wrong to for-
bid civil marriage to same-sex couples because most people aren't attracted
to members of the same sex.
Most American's don't mind a civil contract agreement. It will basically
shut the homosexuals up and we can all move on and get over having to hear
about it on our TV's every night.
With a civil contract, they can get the benefits they want to have.
Thank you for your support of same-sex civil marriage, then.
Leave marriage alone. Leave that for a man and a woman.
And I would also not support any churches as well who would perform any
marriage ceremony for homosexuals.
And you're free to do that, just as the churches that CURRENTLY PERFORM
SAME-SEX RELIGIOUS MARRIAGE CEREMONIES (like MCC, Universal Unitarians,
and others) are free to do *that*.
That leaves another question.
For the states that do pass laws recognizing homosexual marraige. What do
they do about church pastors that refuse to marry homosexual couples? Are
they going to sue them?
Why on earth would they do that? The issue is about CIVIL marriage,
not RELIGIOUS marriage. Catholic churches will not perform a religious
marriage for members who had married, civilly divorced without getting a
religious annulment, and then wish to religiously remarry, and that's
the *current* status.
In short: no, they won't sue.
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| User: "Adam H." |
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| Title: Re: There is NO Valid Reason to allow gay marriage. NONE, whatsoever. |
12 Feb 2004 01:41:30 AM |
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On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 02:13:00 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Thomas Trust" <ThomasTrust@newsworthy.com> wrote in message
news:rxFWb.288514$xy6.1442933@attbi_s02...
"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:40311882.6789605@netnews.mchsi.com...
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 04:21:11 GMT,
"Thomas Trust" wrote:
"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
[ ... ]
My response to this post is in its PROPER location, in the
ORIGINAL thread, having *this* subject header:
There is NO Valid Reason to Block Same-Sex Marriage.
NONE, whatsoever.
Repeating lies doesn't make them true.
And yet you just keep right on DOING that.
Of course, bigots are learning-impaired, or they could never
support such loathesome, hateful, and sociopathic agendas
as they do in the first place.
It is not at all wrong to stand up for the belief that homosexuality is
morally, emotionally and functionally wrong. It is not at all wrong to
stand up for the institution of marriage.
Oh, and you're the one always using the labels and names......
Have a nice day.
You are correct. There is nothing wrong with what you said at all.
Each and every one of us has issues we value. Some value abortion, some
value gay rights, some value marriage.
We all are entitled to stand up for what we believe in. To try and knock
someone down for simply doing that, they are basically participating
in censorship and wanting to take away that basic right of freedom of
speech.
Now Bobby proclaims that disagreeing with him on a newsgroup is
'censorship'.
Get off your cross, dumbass.
Some of these people are doing just that. They will try and shout you down,
even resort to violence if you stand up against some issues..such as
homosexual marriage.
Examples, please.
I for one, do not support gay marriage, as most American's don't either.
I don't care about a civil contract. The idea of marriage and what it
stands for is something I value and don't want to see degraded.
Your insecurity is showing. Your marriage must be in trouble.
Marraige is, in my opinion, a union between a man and a woman.
Your opinion is uninformed.
Homosexual behavior is not normal, I don't care what anyone says. It is not
normal for a man to be with a man, or a woman to be with a woman.
Green eyes aren't normal.
Neither is being left-handed, or having an IQ above 130 (not that
you'll ever know anything about that last one).
Now naturally, many will say that it is normal and they will use animals as
a example.
Well some animals spread fecis to mark territory, or urinate on objects to
mark territory. So should we start doing that too because animals do it?
To say homosexuality is normal and base it on the animal kingdom, is taking
human down to the animal level.
Humans are above animals for several reasons, so there is no comparison with
sexual behavior.
Wrong.
We know what is right and what is wrong. Homosexual behavior is simply not
a normal behavior. And with that, it will most likely remain a behavior
that is unaccepted by most.
Green eyes aren't normal, and dogs also know when they've done
something wrong.
Boy, your arguments just can't stand up, can they?
Most American's don't mind a civil contract agreement. It will basically
shut the homosexuals up and we can all move on and get over having to hear
about it on our TV's every night.
Ah, the irony. Bobby wants the homos to shut up. Seems you want to
censor them.
With a civil contract, they can get the benefits they want to have.
Leave marriage alone. Leave that for a man and a woman.
And I would also not support any churches as well who would perform any
marriage ceremony for homosexuals.
That leaves another question.
For the states that do pass laws recognizing homosexual marraige. What do
they do about church pastors that refuse to marry homosexual couples? Are
they going to sue them?
Don't be stupid. You obviously don't even know what's being asked for.
---
"A man's ethical behavior should be based
effectually on sympathy, education, and social
ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man
would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be
restrained by fear of punishment and hope of
reward after death."
Albert Einstein
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: There is NO Valid Reason to allow gay marriage. NONE, whatsoever. |
12 Feb 2004 02:04:13 AM |
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"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:v9bm20d43grfl2j3rj3dar373r240b836e@4ax.com...
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 02:13:00 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Thomas Trust" <ThomasTrust@newsworthy.com> wrote in message
news:rxFWb.288514$xy6.1442933@attbi_s02...
"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:40311882.6789605@netnews.mchsi.com...
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 04:21:11 GMT,
"Thomas Trust" wrote:
"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
[ ... ]
My response to this post is in its PROPER location, in the
ORIGINAL thread, having *this* subject header:
There is NO Valid Reason to Block Same-Sex Marriage.
NONE, whatsoever.
Repeating lies doesn't make them true.
And yet you just keep right on DOING that.
Of course, bigots are learning-impaired, or they could never
support such loathesome, hateful, and sociopathic agendas
as they do in the first place.
It is not at all wrong to stand up for the belief that homosexuality is
morally, emotionally and functionally wrong. It is not at all wrong to
stand up for the institution of marriage.
Oh, and you're the one always using the labels and names......
Have a nice day.
You are correct. There is nothing wrong with what you said at all.
Each and every one of us has issues we value. Some value abortion, some
value gay rights, some value marriage.
We all are entitled to stand up for what we believe in. To try and knock
someone down for simply doing that, they are basically participating
in censorship and wanting to take away that basic right of freedom of
speech.
Now Bobby proclaims that disagreeing with him on a newsgroup is
'censorship'.
Get off your cross, dumbass.
Nope. It's my cross and if I want to get on it..I will.
Some of these people are doing just that. They will try and shout you
down,
even resort to violence if you stand up against some issues..such as
homosexual marriage.
Examples, please.
Not relevent
(your excuse)
I for one, do not support gay marriage, as most American's don't either.
I don't care about a civil contract. The idea of marriage and what it
stands for is something I value and don't want to see degraded.
Your insecurity is showing. Your marriage must be in trouble.
It is?
Marraige is, in my opinion, a union between a man and a woman.
Your opinion is uninformed.
Hey, if you and your lover want to get a contract...go ahead. I don't care.
Homosexual behavior is not normal, I don't care what anyone says. It is
not
normal for a man to be with a man, or a woman to be with a woman.
Green eyes aren't normal.
Neither is being left-handed, or having an IQ above 130 (not that
you'll ever know anything about that last one).
yawn
Now naturally, many will say that it is normal and they will use animals
as
a example.
Well some animals spread fecis to mark territory, or urinate on objects
to
mark territory. So should we start doing that too because animals do it?
To say homosexuality is normal and base it on the animal kingdom, is
taking
human down to the animal level.
Humans are above animals for several reasons, so there is no comparison
with
sexual behavior.
Wrong.
Not wrong
We know what is right and what is wrong. Homosexual behavior is simply
not
a normal behavior. And with that, it will most likely remain a behavior
that is unaccepted by most.
Green eyes aren't normal, and dogs also know when they've done
something wrong.
yawn
Boy, your arguments just can't stand up, can they?
They appear to be standing up just fine.
Most American's don't mind a civil contract agreement. It will basically
shut the homosexuals up and we can all move on and get over having to
hear
about it on our TV's every night.
Ah, the irony. Bobby wants the homos to shut up. Seems you want to
censor them.
Nope, just tired of hearing about it all the time. You can go to your
little bars or parades and talk for all I care.
With a civil contract, they can get the benefits they want to have.
Leave marriage alone. Leave that for a man and a woman.
And I would also not support any churches as well who would perform any
marriage ceremony for homosexuals.
That leaves another question.
For the states that do pass laws recognizing homosexual marraige. What
do
they do about church pastors that refuse to marry homosexual couples?
Are
they going to sue them?
Don't be stupid. You obviously don't even know what's being asked for.
I do know.
So tell us, are you going to sue a pastor if he or she refuses to marry a
gay couple?
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| User: "Adam H." |
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| Title: Re: There is NO Valid Reason to allow gay marriage. NONE, whatsoever. |
12 Feb 2004 02:22:03 AM |
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On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 03:04:13 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:v9bm20d43grfl2j3rj3dar373r240b836e@4ax.com...
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 02:13:00 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Thomas Trust" <ThomasTrust@newsworthy.com> wrote in message
news:rxFWb.288514$xy6.1442933@attbi_s02...
"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:40311882.6789605@netnews.mchsi.com...
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 04:21:11 GMT,
"Thomas Trust" wrote:
"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
[ ... ]
My response to this post is in its PROPER location, in the
ORIGINAL thread, having *this* subject header:
There is NO Valid Reason to Block Same-Sex Marriage.
NONE, whatsoever.
Repeating lies doesn't make them true.
And yet you just keep right on DOING that.
Of course, bigots are learning-impaired, or they could never
support such loathesome, hateful, and sociopathic agendas
as they do in the first place.
It is not at all wrong to stand up for the belief that homosexuality is
morally, emotionally and functionally wrong. It is not at all wrong to
stand up for the institution of marriage.
Oh, and you're the one always using the labels and names......
Have a nice day.
You are correct. There is nothing wrong with what you said at all.
Each and every one of us has issues we value. Some value abortion, some
value gay rights, some value marriage.
We all are entitled to stand up for what we believe in. To try and knock
someone down for simply doing that, they are basically participating
in censorship and wanting to take away that basic right of freedom of
speech.
Now Bobby proclaims that disagreeing with him on a newsgroup is
'censorship'.
Get off your cross, dumbass.
Nope. It's my cross and if I want to get on it..I will.
Some of these people are doing just that. They will try and shout you
down,
even resort to violence if you stand up against some issues..such as
homosexual marriage.
Examples, please.
Not relevent
(your excuse)
Ah, no examples. So, your claim of people resorting to violence is
just another made-up crock.
I for one, do not support gay marriage, as most American's don't either.
I don't care about a civil contract. The idea of marriage and what it
stands for is something I value and don't want to see degraded.
Your insecurity is showing. Your marriage must be in trouble.
It is?
Marraige is, in my opinion, a union between a man and a woman.
Your opinion is uninformed.
Hey, if you and your lover want to get a contract...go ahead. I don't care.
Aww, Bobby's saying that I'm gay! How *cute*!
I guess that's supposed to be that thing I'm meant to be ashamed of,
right? Of course, you'll deny that you ever meant to imply that, won't
you?
Homosexual behavior is not normal, I don't care what anyone says. It is
not
normal for a man to be with a man, or a woman to be with a woman.
Green eyes aren't normal.
Neither is being left-handed, or having an IQ above 130 (not that
you'll ever know anything about that last one).
yawn
About as intellectual a response as you ever give, that is.
Now naturally, many will say that it is normal and they will use animals
as
a example.
Well some animals spread fecis to mark territory, or urinate on objects
to
mark territory. So should we start doing that too because animals do it?
To say homosexuality is normal and base it on the animal kingdom, is
taking
human down to the animal level.
Humans are above animals for several reasons, so there is no comparison
with
sexual behavior.
Wrong.
Not wrong
Yes, indeed, you are.
There are many similarities. You seem terribly insecure about your
sexuality, Bobby.
We know what is right and what is wrong. Homosexual behavior is simply
not
a normal behavior. And with that, it will most likely remain a behavior
that is unaccepted by most.
Green eyes aren't normal, and dogs also know when they've done
something wrong.
yawn
Boy, your arguments just can't stand up, can they?
They appear to be standing up just fine.
Well, seeing as you can't support them, no.
Most American's don't mind a civil contract agreement. It will basically
shut the homosexuals up and we can all move on and get over having to
hear
about it on our TV's every night.
Ah, the irony. Bobby wants the homos to shut up. Seems you want to
censor them.
Nope, just tired of hearing about it all the time. You can go to your
little bars or parades and talk for all I care.
Gee, I bet that was meant to be a subtle yet cutting innuendo, wasn't
it?
Keep trying, Bobby.
With a civil contract, they can get the benefits they want to have.
Leave marriage alone. Leave that for a man and a woman.
And I would also not support any churches as well who would perform any
marriage ceremony for homosexuals.
That leaves another question.
For the states that do pass laws recognizing homosexual marraige. What
do
they do about church pastors that refuse to marry homosexual couples?
Are
they going to sue them?
Don't be stupid. You obviously don't even know what's being asked for.
I do know.
So tell us, are you going to sue a pastor if he or she refuses to marry a
gay couple?
Why would I ask a church to go against dogma? Nobody's asking for
that, you idiot.
---
"A man's ethical behavior should be based
effectually on sympathy, education, and social
ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man
would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be
restrained by fear of punishment and hope of
reward after death."
Albert Einstein
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: There is NO Valid Reason to allow gay marriage. NONE, whatsoever. |
12 Feb 2004 08:26:03 AM |
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"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 03:04:13 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:v9bm20d43grfl2j3rj3dar373r240b836e@4ax.com...
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 02:13:00 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Thomas Trust" <ThomasTrust@newsworthy.com> wrote in message
news:rxFWb.288514$xy6.1442933@attbi_s02...
"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:40311882.6789605@netnews.mchsi.com...
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 04:21:11 GMT,
"Thomas Trust" wrote:
"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
[ ... ]
My response to this post is in its PROPER location, in the
ORIGINAL thread, having *this* subject header:
There is NO Valid Reason to Block Same-Sex Marriage.
NONE, whatsoever.
Repeating lies doesn't make them true.
And yet you just keep right on DOING that.
Of course, bigots are learning-impaired, or they could never
support such loathesome, hateful, and sociopathic agendas
as they do in the first place.
It is not at all wrong to stand up for the belief that homosexuality
is
morally, emotionally and functionally wrong. It is not at all wrong
to
stand up for the institution of marriage.
Oh, and you're the one always using the labels and names......
Have a nice day.
You are correct. There is nothing wrong with what you said at all.
Each and every one of us has issues we value. Some value abortion,
some
value gay rights, some value marriage.
We all are entitled to stand up for what we believe in. To try and
knock
someone down for simply doing that, they are basically participating
in censorship and wanting to take away that basic right of freedom of
speech.
Now Bobby proclaims that disagreeing with him on a newsgroup is
'censorship'.
Get off your cross, dumbass.
Nope. It's my cross and if I want to get on it..I will.
Some of these people are doing just that. They will try and shout you
down,
even resort to violence if you stand up against some issues..such as
homosexual marriage.
Examples, please.
Not relevent
(your excuse)
Ah, no examples. So, your claim of people resorting to violence is
just another made-up crock.
It wasn't relevent. Don't whine, that is your excuse when you are asked
questions.
I for one, do not support gay marriage, as most American's don't
either.
I don't care about a civil contract. The idea of marriage and what it
stands for is something I value and don't want to see degraded.
Your insecurity is showing. Your marriage must be in trouble.
It is?
Marraige is, in my opinion, a union between a man and a woman.
Your opinion is uninformed.
Hey, if you and your lover want to get a contract...go ahead. I don't
care.
Aww, Bobby's saying that I'm gay! How *cute*!
I guess that's supposed to be that thing I'm meant to be ashamed of,
right? Of course, you'll deny that you ever meant to imply that, won't
you?
Homosexual behavior is not normal, I don't care what anyone says. It
is
not
normal for a man to be with a man, or a woman to be with a woman.
Green eyes aren't normal.
Neither is being left-handed, or having an IQ above 130 (not that
you'll ever know anything about that last one).
yawn
About as intellectual a response as you ever give, that is.
Now naturally, many will say that it is normal and they will use
animals
as
a example.
Well some animals spread fecis to mark territory, or urinate on
objects
to
mark territory. So should we start doing that too because animals do
it?
To say homosexuality is normal and base it on the animal kingdom, is
taking
human down to the animal level.
Humans are above animals for several reasons, so there is no
comparison
with
sexual behavior.
Wrong.
Not wrong
Yes, indeed, you are.
There are many similarities. You seem terribly insecure about your
sexuality, Bobby.
Hey, if you want to compare yourself to a dog...by all means do so.
Hey, compare yourself to a hippo, they take their fecis and spray it all
over the place.
Maybe you can start doing that in your yard and say it is normal because
animals do it.
We know what is right and what is wrong. Homosexual behavior is
simply
not
a normal behavior. And with that, it will most likely remain a
behavior
that is unaccepted by most.
Green eyes aren't normal, and dogs also know when they've done
something wrong.
yawn
Boy, your arguments just can't stand up, can they?
They appear to be standing up just fine.
Well, seeing as you can't support them, no.
Well, seeing that when you are asked questions and you avoid them
You are the one who likes to hide things.
Most American's don't mind a civil contract agreement. It will
basically
shut the homosexuals up and we can all move on and get over having to
hear
about it on our TV's every night.
Ah, the irony. Bobby wants the homos to shut up. Seems you want to
censor them.
Nope, just tired of hearing about it all the time. You can go to your
little bars or parades and talk for all I care.
Gee, I bet that was meant to be a subtle yet cutting innuendo, wasn't
it?
Keep trying, Bobby.
With a civil contract, they can get the benefits they want to have.
Leave marriage alone. Leave that for a man and a woman.
And I would also not support any churches as well who would perform
any
marriage ceremony for homosexuals.
That leaves another question.
For the states that do pass laws recognizing homosexual marraige.
What
do
they do about church pastors that refuse to marry homosexual couples?
Are
they going to sue them?
Don't be stupid. You obviously don't even know what's being asked for.
I do know.
So tell us, are you going to sue a pastor if he or she refuses to marry a
gay couple?
Why would I ask a church to go against dogma? Nobody's asking for
that, you idiot.
I asked you a question. Are you going to sue a pastor if he or she refuses
to marry a gay couple?
And why insult the churches?
You wouldn't be a bigot would you?
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| User: "David Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: There is NO Valid Reason to allow gay marriage. NONE, whatsoever. |
12 Feb 2004 08:27:38 AM |
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In article <LpWdnfUti-BTEbbdRVn-iQ@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
With a civil contract, they can get the benefits they want to have.
Leave marriage alone. Leave that for a man and a woman.
And I would also not support any churches as well who would perform
any
marriage ceremony for homosexuals.
That leaves another question.
For the states that do pass laws recognizing homosexual marraige.
What
do
they do about church pastors that refuse to marry homosexual couples?
Are
they going to sue them?
Don't be stupid. You obviously don't even know what's being asked for.
I do know.
So tell us, are you going to sue a pastor if he or she refuses to marry a
gay couple?
Why would I ask a church to go against dogma? Nobody's asking for
that, you idiot.
I asked you a question. Are you going to sue a pastor if he or she refuses
to marry a gay couple?
"Standing" you dumb *****.
And why insult the churches?
When they do so well at it themselves?
You wouldn't be a bigot would you?
LOL! The bigot hopes to call others bigot...
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| User: "Adam H." |
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| Title: Re: There is NO Valid Reason to allow gay marriage. NONE, whatsoever. |
12 Feb 2004 11:20:13 AM |
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On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 09:26:03 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:pkdm20preapek3agq10b5srbudq7dl87jq@4ax.com...
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 03:04:13 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:v9bm20d43grfl2j3rj3dar373r240b836e@4ax.com...
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 02:13:00 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Thomas Trust" <ThomasTrust@newsworthy.com> wrote in message
news:rxFWb.288514$xy6.1442933@attbi_s02...
"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:40311882.6789605@netnews.mchsi.com...
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 04:21:11 GMT,
"Thomas Trust" wrote:
"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
[ ... ]
My response to this post is in its PROPER location, in the
ORIGINAL thread, having *this* subject header:
There is NO Valid Reason to Block Same-Sex Marriage.
NONE, whatsoever.
Repeating lies doesn't make them true.
And yet you just keep right on DOING that.
Of course, bigots are learning-impaired, or they could never
support such loathesome, hateful, and sociopathic agendas
as they do in the first place.
It is not at all wrong to stand up for the belief that homosexuality
is
morally, emotionally and functionally wrong. It is not at all wrong
to
stand up for the institution of marriage.
Oh, and you're the one always using the labels and names......
Have a nice day.
You are correct. There is nothing wrong with what you said at all.
Each and every one of us has issues we value. Some value abortion,
some
value gay rights, some value marriage.
We all are entitled to stand up for what we believe in. To try and
knock
someone down for simply doing that, they are basically participating
in censorship and wanting to take away that basic right of freedom of
speech.
Now Bobby proclaims that disagreeing with him on a newsgroup is
'censorship'.
Get off your cross, dumbass.
Nope. It's my cross and if I want to get on it..I will.
Some of these people are doing just that. They will try and shout you
down,
even resort to violence if you stand up against some issues..such as
homosexual marriage.
Examples, please.
Not relevent
(your excuse)
Ah, no examples. So, your claim of people resorting to violence is
just another made-up crock.
It wasn't relevent. Don't whine, that is your excuse when you are asked
questions.
Then don't bring it up and then whine when you get asked about it,
dumbass.
I for one, do not support gay marriage, as most American's don't
either.
I don't care about a civil contract. The idea of marriage and what it
stands for is something I value and don't want to see degraded.
Your insecurity is showing. Your marriage must be in trouble.
It is?
Marraige is, in my opinion, a union between a man and a woman.
Your opinion is uninformed.
Hey, if you and your lover want to get a contract...go ahead. I don't
care.
Aww, Bobby's saying that I'm gay! How *cute*!
I guess that's supposed to be that thing I'm meant to be ashamed of,
right? Of course, you'll deny that you ever meant to imply that, won't
you?
Homosexual behavior is not normal, I don't care what anyone says. It
is
not
normal for a man to be with a man, or a woman to be with a woman.
Green eyes aren't normal.
Neither is being left-handed, or having an IQ above 130 (not that
you'll ever know anything about that last one).
yawn
About as intellectual a response as you ever give, that is.
Now naturally, many will say that it is normal and they will use
animals
as
a example.
Well some animals spread fecis to mark territory, or urinate on
objects
to
mark territory. So should we start doing that too because animals do
it?
To say homosexuality is normal and base it on the animal kingdom, is
taking
human down to the animal level.
Humans are above animals for several reasons, so there is no
comparison
with
sexual behavior.
Wrong.
Not wrong
Yes, indeed, you are.
There are many similarities. You seem terribly insecure about your
sexuality, Bobby.
Hey, if you want to compare yourself to a dog...by all means do so.
Hey, compare yourself to a hippo, they take their fecis and spray it all
over the place.
Maybe you can start doing that in your yard and say it is normal because
animals do it.
Leave me out of your fantasies, Bobby.
We know what is right and what is wrong. Homosexual behavior is
simply
not
a normal behavior. And with that, it will most likely remain a
behavior
that is unaccepted by most.
Green eyes aren't normal, and dogs also know when they've done
something wrong.
yawn
Boy, your arguments just can't stand up, can they?
They appear to be standing up just fine.
Well, seeing as you can't support them, no.
Well, seeing that when you are asked questions and you avoid them
You are the one who likes to hide things.
Bobby, when you can explain how what political party I support has
anything to do with gay marriage rights, I'll reconsider answering
that question.
I see that you are unable to answer questions about *relevant* topics,
as well.
Most American's don't mind a civil contract agreement. It will
basically
shut the homosexuals up and we can all move on and get over having to
hear
about it on our TV's every night.
Ah, the irony. Bobby wants the homos to shut up. Seems you want to
censor them.
Nope, just tired of hearing about it all the time. You can go to your
little bars or parades and talk for all I care.
Gee, I bet that was meant to be a subtle yet cutting innuendo, wasn't
it?
Keep trying, Bobby.
With a civil contract, they can get the benefits they want to have.
Leave marriage alone. Leave that for a man and a woman.
And I would also not support any churches as well who would perform
any
marriage ceremony for homosexuals.
That leaves another question.
For the states that do pass laws recognizing homosexual marraige.
What
do
they do about church pastors that refuse to marry homosexual couples?
Are
they going to sue them?
Don't be stupid. You obviously don't even know what's being asked for.
I do know.
So tell us, are you going to sue a pastor if he or she refuses to marry a
gay couple?
Why would I ask a church to go against dogma? Nobody's asking for
that, you idiot.
I asked you a question. Are you going to sue a pastor if he or she refuses
to marry a gay couple?
And why insult the churches?
You wouldn't be a bigot would you?
And the answer was given, but you're too stupid to see that.
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"A man's ethical behavior should be based
effectually on sympathy, education, and social
ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man
would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be
restrained by fear of punishment and hope of
reward after death."
Albert Einstein
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| Title: Re: There is NO Valid Reason to allow gay marriage. NONE, whatsoever. |
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Osprey wrote:
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I for one, do not support gay marriage, as most American's
don't either.
I don't care about a civil contract. The idea of marriage and
what it stands for is something I value and don't want to see
degraded.
Marraige is, in my opinion, a union between a man and a woman.
Homosexual behavior is not normal, I don't care what anyone
says. It is not normal for a man to be with a man, or a woman
to be with a woman.
By what definition of 'normal'? Clearly it is 'normal' for a
proportion of people to be homosexual, in the sense that it has
always been that way. It's just a part of what makes up our
species.
Now naturally, many will say that it is normal and they will
use animals as a example.
Well some animals spread fecis to mark territory, or urinate
on objects to mark territory. So should we start doing that
too because animals do it?
No, because we don't base laws and morals on what is 'normal' but
on what we think is *acceptable*... so any disapproval of
homosexuality on the basis of it being "not normal" is
self-defeating.
To say homosexuality is normal and
base it on the animal kingdom, is taking human down to the
animal level.
Humans are above animals for several reasons, so there is no
comparison with sexual behavior.
We know what is right and what is wrong.
You have opinions on what is right and what is wrong.
Homosexual behavior
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