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28 Oct 2003 05:44:17 PM |
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I'm saying that you need to explain why the "word of Osiris, Odin or Zeus
(as important) to you" and being an anathema, ought to promulgated on
Christian newsgroups who regard the "word of God {Yahweh}" as a principle of
absolute negation of what you claim is your religious belief.
I believe your actions as darkness of soul, are contemptuous of Christians!
- Qolon
- <http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/meta/cherubim.html#44>
"Midwinter" <solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9422F0647ABA6solstice688TAKEYOURS@217.32.252.50...
"Michael Christ" <jesus_au@hotmail.com> :
'You are not to have blocked senders lists.'
Why?
--
Midwinter
"Midwinter" <midw688@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bhbsjd$hqg$2@hercules.btinternet.com...
You do speak as to children, yes. That is part of your problem.
What you seem to be saying is that Christians should not be associating
with non-Christians. That is your issue, not mine. There are those
Christians who are willing to associate with non-believers, and talk to
them, and listen to their point of view while explaining their own.
These are the Christians who save souls. These are the Christians who
spread the word of their God and the light of His salvation.
Then, there are Christians who hold non-believers in contempt. Who write
them off, who consider them 'untouchable'. These Christians have only
their own happiness in mind. Their own status is what is important to
them, and they put themselves before everything else. They are, in
essence, the "***** you Jack, I'm all right" breed of Christian.
It is, of course, up to you which category you choose, net-cop. Either
way will make little difference to me - but it might well make the world
of difference to you.
QOLON NOTE:
#31
Angel/Daemon of Ierathel /Terathel
[131-135 /Aug 2-6 /Leo /Fire / 10, 200, 400 = 610 (#1)
Isopsephy: O Didaskalos - The teacher, master, producer; Xulon - piece of
wood, log, beam, post; used in punishment as cross; bench; Pteroen -
feathered, winged
Ee (HE, EPSILON #5) {Totality? }
No11 = #671
Isopsephy: Paradeisos - Garden of Eden; Paradise; enclosed park or
pleasure-ground of Persian kings & nobles; Triskaideka - thirteen; Artos -
cake or loaf of wheat-bread; Omphae - Unripe; prophetic, oracular. cf:
Omphe - the voice of a god
Latin: Spes Alt: Saitel {Roaming of God} ]{
1. PROTECTS AGAINST UNJUST ATTACKS, CONFOUNDING ONE'S ENEMIES
2. PROPAGATES LIGHT, CIVILISATION & LIBERTY
3. PEACE
4. Hepe }
[#45, #45, #81, #31 - Military Strategies as Guides/ Quelling War ]
X. "Do you not see that even the wise Abraham { father of a great
multitude }, when he began to measure everything with a reference to God,
and to leave nothing to the creature, took an imitation of the flaming
sword {note: #26 gives Solar/Chronos as a rationale and #28 gives reason as
its meaning ; cf #1; #11 ; #21 ; #26; #28 ; #30; #31 }, namely, 'fire and
sword,' [Genesis 22:6] being eager to slay and to burn that mortal creature
which was born of him, that so being raised on high it might soar up to
God, the intellect being thus disentangled from the body."
#112 "So again winter feels a need of summer, and summer of winter, spring
of both, and autumn of spring, and each of these seasons of each other
season; and, so to say everything has a need and want of everything else.
So that the whole universe of which all these are parts, namely the world,
is clearly a complete work, worthy of its Maker.
Philo Judaeus of Alexandria's (20BCE-50CE) 'On Cherubim II' - Divine Name or
Angels of the Zodiac? © Copyright 1993 Hendrickson Publishers, Inc ISBN:
0-943575-93-1
Divine Names as wisdom philosophical considerations from 'THE WAY (TAO) OF
VIRTUE (TE) AND CAUSALITY (CHING)' by Chinese Wisdom Philosopher Lao Tzu (b.
604 BCE) © 1903 Paul Carus ISBN 0-312-26109-8
Angel Names exegesis provided by Qolon, © Copyright 17 August, 2003, All
Rights reserved.
- http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/meta/cherubim.html
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| User: "Midwinter" |
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29 Oct 2003 05:17:10 AM |
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Qolon, it is just possible - although as yet I cannot see it - that
somewhere within this post of yours you said something relevant to the
thread (such as it currently is). If you will bear with me (and I know
patience is not one of your virtues, but do try), I will work through
what you had to say (and what you cut and paste from a thread several
months ago), and see if anything relates to the rather inane subject
under discussion.
Of course, I am aware that in general terms you live in your own little
world quite removed from the reality that most of us share, but there is
always the possibility you might hit on an interesting point by accident
as you meander by.
"Qolon" <telos@bigpond.com> :
I'm saying that you need to explain why the "word of Osiris, Odin or
Zeus (as important) to you" and being an anathema, ought to
promulgated on Christian newsgroups
If this is directed at me, then I should point out first that you said
no such thing - in fact you said nothing at all. I posted a small
question in reply to a comment by Michael "Christ" and made no reference
whatsoever to the word of any of the above gods - none of whom, I should
point out, do I worship.
Secondly, to address what might have been your point, if you ask why I
come to a Christian group and contest Christianity, well, I do not. The
Christian viewpoint is a perfectly reasonable one *in religious terms*.
What I DO object to here, as I have explained time and again but will
explain again for your benefit in the hope that you are sufficiently
'tuned-in' at the moment to understand it, is the abuse of the Christian
message, and of the concept of religion in general, by those motivated
solely by self-interest. And that generally includes the prophets, the
leaders, the teachers, and the wannabe-messiahs, and those who wish to
keep people ignorant of what is and what can be learned in order to
replace real knowledge with blind faith.
who regard the "word of God
{Yahweh}" as a principle of absolute negation of what you claim is
your religious belief.
If you are referring to me, then I am having trouble finding anywhere
where I have said this. The Word of God is no negation of what I
believe - how could it be? Think about it for a moment. However, I
choose to disregard the Word of your God as being too unreliable a
source from which to draw any strong conclusions. The Bible has become
the weapon of choice for charlatans, hypocrites and frauds (pious and
otherwise), and although I believe there is much within in that is
relevant and even valuable, it is all too easily twisted by those with a
specific, worldly agenda. Many of its translations owe their existence
to this simple fact.
I believe your actions as darkness of soul, are contemptuous of
Christians!
Darkness of soul, yes - I freely admit that, and would have it no other
way. Contemptuous of hypocrites and frauds, oh yes - most certainly.
Contemptuous of Christians? Hardly.
- Qolon
- <http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/meta/cherubim.html#44>
"Midwinter" <solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9422F0647ABA6solstice688TAKEYOURS@217.32.252.50...
"Michael Christ" <jesus_au@hotmail.com> :
'You are not to have blocked senders lists.'
Why?
--
Midwinter
Just thought I would leave this in to remind readers of the actual
thread so far. I am still struggling, Qolon, to see the relevance of
anything you have written here to this little sequence.
And then you treat us to a requote of a post I made quite some time ago
- when you were last trying to prevent me from posting to this group -
and every word of which I stand by today:
"Midwinter" <midw688@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bhbsjd$hqg$2@hercules.btinternet.com...
You do speak as to children, yes. That is part of your problem.
What you seem to be saying is that Christians should not be
associating with non-Christians. That is your issue, not mine. There
are those Christians who are willing to associate with non-believers,
and talk to them, and listen to their point of view while explaining
their own. These are the Christians who save souls. These are the
Christians who spread the word of their God and the light of His
salvation.
Then, there are Christians who hold non-believers in contempt. Who
write them off, who consider them 'untouchable'. These Christians
have only their own happiness in mind. Their own status is what is
important to them, and they put themselves before everything else.
They are, in essence, the "***** you Jack, I'm all right" breed of
Christian.
It is, of course, up to you which category you choose, net-cop.
Either way will make little difference to me - but it might well make
the world of difference to you.
Moving on, we have one of your rambling "Qolon notes" - your confused
and long-winded tracts usually trying to crowbar occult mysticism into
Biblical tradition:
QOLON NOTE:
#31
Angel/Daemon of Ierathel /Terathel
[131-135 /Aug 2-6 /Leo /Fire / 10, 200, 400 = 610 (#1)
Isopsephy: O Didaskalos - The teacher, master, producer; Xulon -
piece of wood, log, beam, post; used in punishment as cross; bench;
Pteroen - feathered, winged
Ee (HE, EPSILON #5) {Totality? }
No11 = #671
Isopsephy: Paradeisos - Garden of Eden; Paradise; enclosed park or
pleasure-ground of Persian kings & nobles; Triskaideka - thirteen;
Artos - cake or loaf of wheat-bread; Omphae - Unripe; prophetic,
oracular. cf: Omphe - the voice of a god
Latin: Spes Alt: Saitel {Roaming of God} ]{
1. PROTECTS AGAINST UNJUST ATTACKS, CONFOUNDING ONE'S ENEMIES
2. PROPAGATES LIGHT, CIVILISATION & LIBERTY
3. PEACE
4. Hepe }
[#45, #45, #81, #31 - Military Strategies as Guides/ Quelling War ]
X. "Do you not see that even the wise Abraham { father of a great
multitude }, when he began to measure everything with a reference to
God, and to leave nothing to the creature, took an imitation of the
flaming sword {note: #26 gives Solar/Chronos as a rationale and #28
gives reason as its meaning ; cf #1; #11 ; #21 ; #26; #28 ; #30;
#31 }, namely, 'fire and sword,' [Genesis 22:6] being eager to slay
and to burn that mortal creature which was born of him, that so being
raised on high it might soar up to God, the intellect being thus
disentangled from the body."
#112 "So again winter feels a need of summer, and summer of winter,
spring of both, and autumn of spring, and each of these seasons of
each other season; and, so to say everything has a need and want of
everything else. So that the whole universe of which all these are
parts, namely the world, is clearly a complete work, worthy of its
Maker.
Philo Judaeus of Alexandria's (20BCE-50CE) 'On Cherubim II' - Divine
Name or Angels of the Zodiac? © Copyright 1993 Hendrickson Publishers,
Inc ISBN: 0-943575-93-1
Divine Names as wisdom philosophical considerations from 'THE WAY
(TAO) OF VIRTUE (TE) AND CAUSALITY (CHING)' by Chinese Wisdom
Philosopher Lao Tzu (b. 604 BCE) © 1903 Paul Carus ISBN 0-312-26109-8
Angel Names exegesis provided by Qolon, © Copyright 17 August, 2003,
All Rights reserved.
- http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/meta/cherubim.html
So all in all I am afraid your point - if you made one - escapes me. I
wonder if you like to try again, if you can wrestle yourself back into
something approaching the real world?
--
Midwinter
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| User: "Qolon" |
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29 Oct 2003 03:44:12 PM |
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Further to the last Midwither...
I have included the Angel Name or 'Divine Name' emination for the day and
upon which, is the basis of my considerations made within the newsgroup
posting of 13 August, 2003. Below that I have included Rabbi Jacob
Feldman's comment from Torah.org, who as Author of 'In Search of Spiritual
Excellence' and Ramchal, proffers an opinion on the meaning on the Angel
Name or 'Divine Name' emination relationship to the Hebrew religious
practice of Theurgy.
Many of your non-christian statements continue to be a lie:
a) "I know patience is not one of your virtues, but do try";
b) "If this is directed at me, then I should point out first that you said
no such thing ..."
c) So all in all I am afraid your point - if you made one - escapes me.
d) Your confused and long-winded tracts usually trying to crowbar occult
mysticism into Biblical tradition:
As I recall, the post was originally made to many of these same newsgroups
on Wednesday, 13 August 2003 10:41 AM. That you make me judge of your soul,
and lack confidence of its retention... says it all!
#53
Angel/Daemon of Reiiel
[141°-145° /Aug 13-17 /Leo /Fire /200, 10, 10 = 220 (#3)
Isopsephy: Olon - Whole, perfect; Oikon - House, temple
Xx Oo (SAMEK, XI #60) {Polarity?}
Latin: Quaestus Alt: Mashyah {Pledge of God}] {
1. AIDS & PROTECTS AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, BOTH VISIBLE & INVISIBLE
2. MYSTIC FEELINGS
3. SACRED PHILOSOPHY}
[#20, #50, #64, #53 - Increasing Evidence/ Gaining Insight)]
XVI. "And one may wonder at the kind of narration which the Jewish lawgiver
frequently employs in many instances, where he departs from the usual style.
For after giving the history of those parents of the human race who were
created out of the earth, he begins to relate the story of the first-born of
human parents, concerning whom he says absolutely nothing, as if he had
already frequently mentioned his name, and were not now bringing it forward
for the first time. Accordingly, he simply says that 'she brought forth Cain
{possession, or possessed}.' What sort of being was he, O writer; and what
have you ever said about him before of either great or small importance?"
The Way of G-d"
Part 3: "The Soul, Inspiration, Prophecy, and the Supernatural" Chapter 2:
"Theurgy" Paragraph 5
It's here that we actually touch upon theurgy per se, which we defined as
"the art of affecting change in the world through the recitation of Divine
names and the like" (3:2:1).
But we'll first have to repeat and underscore certain points made earlier
on about the universe's spiritual backdrop before we can go on to explain
the idea of G-d having various "names" in the first place, and how we can
affect change in the world by using them. (In fact, the very idea that the
One G-d would "need" or assume more than one name should strike us as odd;
it doesn't simply because we're used to the Torah using different names.)
In any event, let it be underscored that everything -- from the loftiest of
entities to the lowliest, from the broadest and most sweeping to the very
most specific, and from the primary to the peripheral -- owes its existence
to G-d Almighty. Let it also be understood that G-d avails Himself to
everything and everyone, and interacts with everything and everyone in a
unique fashion. Ramchal and others refer to His interactions as His
"emanations" (see 2:8:3).
These emanations keep everything intact and are thus vital for everything's
well-being and very existence. Each one affects a specific and particular
change in the world, and each begins on high in the angelic realm, where it
then passes down to this world.
Now, G-d wanted us to refer to Him by name, we're taught. For indeed it's
only by calling Him by name that we become aware of Him and have a means to
thus draw close to Him. (After all, we can't familiarize ourselves with or
refer to things that aren't named -- even if we name it "X"; and we
certainly can't have a relationship with a nameless, "faceless" entity).
G-d's particular Four Letter Name ("Yod", "Heh", "Vov", and "Heh" as
written in Hebrew) is unique to the expression of His Glory, but He makes
use of many other names. The point to be made is that each one represents a
specific emanation.
G-d bestows a degree of the sort of illumination and influence we'd been
addressing till now in this chapter upon people who utter His name. And
their uttering it under very specific conditions also bestirs the Divine
emanation associated with it in an arcane manner. And once that emanation
is bestirred, it affects the sort of change in the world it alone can
affect.
Uttering those names can also affect the sort of supernatural changes we
spoke of before. It can even elevate the individual uttering them to such a
degree that he can commune with angels and other spiritual beings who can
supply him with information and degrees of enlightenment otherwise beyond
his ken. He can even draw upon Divine Inspiration and prophecy, which we'll
discuss in chapter 3 below. And the process involves repeating one of these
names (or a combination of names, and other utterances) either in his mind
or out-loud while fulfilling other specific conditions.
This series is dedicated to the memory of Yitzchak Hehrsh ben Daniel, and
Sarah Rivka bas Yaakov Dovid." [Courtesy Project Genesis: Rabbi Yaakov
Feldman, <http://www.torah.org> for October 29, 2003 2:01 PM]
- Qolon
- <http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/vkabbalah.html?10/30/2003>
"Midwinter" <solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns942372E91802Bsolstice688TAKEYOURS@217.32.252.50...
Qolon, it is just possible - although as yet I cannot see it - that
somewhere within this post of yours you said something relevant to the
thread (such as it currently is). If you will bear with me (and I know
patience is not one of your virtues, but do try), I will work through
what you had to say (and what you cut and paste from a thread several
months ago), and see if anything relates to the rather inane subject
under discussion.
Of course, I am aware that in general terms you live in your own little
world quite removed from the reality that most of us share, but there is
always the possibility you might hit on an interesting point by accident
as you meander by.
"Qolon" <telos@bigpond.com> :
I'm saying that you need to explain why the "word of Osiris, Odin or
Zeus (as important) to you" and being an anathema, ought to
promulgated on Christian newsgroups
If this is directed at me, then I should point out first that you said
no such thing - in fact you said nothing at all. I posted a small
question in reply to a comment by Michael "Christ" and made no reference
whatsoever to the word of any of the above gods - none of whom, I should
point out, do I worship.
Secondly, to address what might have been your point, if you ask why I
come to a Christian group and contest Christianity, well, I do not. The
Christian viewpoint is a perfectly reasonable one *in religious terms*.
What I DO object to here, as I have explained time and again but will
explain again for your benefit in the hope that you are sufficiently
'tuned-in' at the moment to understand it, is the abuse of the Christian
message, and of the concept of religion in general, by those motivated
solely by self-interest. And that generally includes the prophets, the
leaders, the teachers, and the wannabe-messiahs, and those who wish to
keep people ignorant of what is and what can be learned in order to
replace real knowledge with blind faith.
who regard the "word of God
{Yahweh}" as a principle of absolute negation of what you claim is
your religious belief.
If you are referring to me, then I am having trouble finding anywhere
where I have said this. The Word of God is no negation of what I
believe - how could it be? Think about it for a moment. However, I
choose to disregard the Word of your God as being too unreliable a
source from which to draw any strong conclusions. The Bible has become
the weapon of choice for charlatans, hypocrites and frauds (pious and
otherwise), and although I believe there is much within in that is
relevant and even valuable, it is all too easily twisted by those with a
specific, worldly agenda. Many of its translations owe their existence
to this simple fact.
I believe your actions as darkness of soul, are contemptuous of
Christians!
Darkness of soul, yes - I freely admit that, and would have it no other
way. Contemptuous of hypocrites and frauds, oh yes - most certainly.
Contemptuous of Christians? Hardly.
- Qolon
- <http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/meta/cherubim.html#44>
"Midwinter" <solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9422F0647ABA6solstice688TAKEYOURS@217.32.252.50...
"Michael Christ" <jesus_au@hotmail.com> :
'You are not to have blocked senders lists.'
Why?
--
Midwinter
Just thought I would leave this in to remind readers of the actual
thread so far. I am still struggling, Qolon, to see the relevance of
anything you have written here to this little sequence.
And then you treat us to a requote of a post I made quite some time ago
- when you were last trying to prevent me from posting to this group -
and every word of which I stand by today:
"Midwinter" <midw688@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bhbsjd$hqg$2@hercules.btinternet.com...
You do speak as to children, yes. That is part of your problem.
What you seem to be saying is that Christians should not be
associating with non-Christians. That is your issue, not mine. There
are those Christians who are willing to associate with non-believers,
and talk to them, and listen to their point of view while explaining
their own. These are the Christians who save souls. These are the
Christians who spread the word of their God and the light of His
salvation.
Then, there are Christians who hold non-believers in contempt. Who
write them off, who consider them 'untouchable'. These Christians
have only their own happiness in mind. Their own status is what is
important to them, and they put themselves before everything else.
They are, in essence, the "***** you Jack, I'm all right" breed of
Christian.
It is, of course, up to you which category you choose, net-cop.
Either way will make little difference to me - but it might well make
the world of difference to you.
Moving on, we have one of your rambling "Qolon notes" - your confused
and long-winded tracts usually trying to crowbar occult mysticism into
Biblical tradition:
QOLON NOTE:
#31
Angel/Daemon of Ierathel /Terathel
[131-135 /Aug 2-6 /Leo /Fire / 10, 200, 400 = 610 (#1)
Isopsephy: O Didaskalos - The teacher, master, producer; Xulon -
piece of wood, log, beam, post; used in punishment as cross; bench;
Pteroen - feathered, winged
Ee (HE, EPSILON #5) {Totality? }
No11 = #671
Isopsephy: Paradeisos - Garden of Eden; Paradise; enclosed park or
pleasure-ground of Persian kings & nobles; Triskaideka - thirteen;
Artos - cake or loaf of wheat-bread; Omphae - Unripe; prophetic,
oracular. cf: Omphe - the voice of a god
Latin: Spes Alt: Saitel {Roaming of God} ]{
1. PROTECTS AGAINST UNJUST ATTACKS, CONFOUNDING ONE'S ENEMIES
2. PROPAGATES LIGHT, CIVILISATION & LIBERTY
3. PEACE
4. Hepe }
[#45, #45, #81, #31 - Military Strategies as Guides/ Quelling War ]
X. "Do you not see that even the wise Abraham { father of a great
multitude }, when he began to measure everything with a reference to
God, and to leave nothing to the creature, took an imitation of the
flaming sword {note: #26 gives Solar/Chronos as a rationale and #28
gives reason as its meaning ; cf #1; #11 ; #21 ; #26; #28 ; #30;
#31 }, namely, 'fire and sword,' [Genesis 22:6] being eager to slay
and to burn that mortal creature which was born of him, that so being
raised on high it might soar up to God, the intellect being thus
disentangled from the body."
#112 "So again winter feels a need of summer, and summer of winter,
spring of both, and autumn of spring, and each of these seasons of
each other season; and, so to say everything has a need and want of
everything else. So that the whole universe of which all these are
parts, namely the world, is clearly a complete work, worthy of its
Maker.
Philo Judaeus of Alexandria's (20BCE-50CE) 'On Cherubim II' - Divine
Name or Angels of the Zodiac? © Copyright 1993 Hendrickson Publishers,
Inc ISBN: 0-943575-93-1
Divine Names as wisdom philosophical considerations from 'THE WAY
(TAO) OF VIRTUE (TE) AND CAUSALITY (CHING)' by Chinese Wisdom
Philosopher Lao Tzu (b. 604 BCE) © 1903 Paul Carus ISBN 0-312-26109-8
Angel Names exegesis provided by Qolon, © Copyright 17 August, 2003,
All Rights reserved.
- http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/meta/cherubim.html
So all in all I am afraid your point - if you made one - escapes me. I
wonder if you like to try again, if you can wrestle yourself back into
something approaching the real world?
--
Midwinter
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| User: "Qolon" |
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29 Oct 2003 01:58:22 PM |
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Midwinter,
Many of your non-christian statements continue to be a lie:
a) "I know patience is not one of your virtues, but do try";
b) "If this is directed at me, then I should point out first that you said
no such thing ..."
c) So all in all I am afraid your point - if you made one - escapes me.
d) Your confused and long-winded tracts usually trying to crowbar occult
mysticism into Biblical tradition:
As I recall, the post was originally made to many of these same newsgroups
on Wednesday, 13 August 2003 10:41 AM to these same newsgroups. That you
make me judge of your soul, and lack confidence of its retention... says
all!
#44
Angel/Daemon of Mebahel
[66°-70° /May 26-31 /Gemini /Air /40, 2, 5 = 47 (#5)
Isopsephy: Elaia - Olive tree; olive; Agela - Herd, flock
Qq NUN (#50; 700/ #80) {PAWN}
{NATURE rejoices in its NATURE}
{Partial Solar Eclipse 31 May 2003}
Latin: Amabilis Alt: Yahhael {God is the God}] {
1. PROTECTS & HELPS AGAINST THOSE WISHING TO USURP THE FORTUNES OF OTHERS
2. JUSTICE
3. PROTECTS TRUTH}
[#32, #28, #14, #44 - Moderate Values/ Setting Up Precepts]
"Who, then, is it who sows good seed in them, except the Father of the
universe, the uncreated God, he who is the parent of all things? This,
therefore, is the being who sows, and presently he bestows his own
offspring, which he himself did sow; for God creates nothing for himself,
inasmuch as he is in need of nothing, but he creates every thing for him who
is able to take it."
"Therefore hear the parable of the sower: When anyone hears the word of the
kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches
away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the
wayside. But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears
the word and immediately receives it with joy; yet he has no root in
himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution
arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles. Now he who received
seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world
and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful.
But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and
understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold,
some sixty, some thirty." [Matthew 13:18-23]
#125 "Because God was the cause, not the instrument; and what was born was
created indeed through the agency of some instrument, but was by means
called into existence by the great first cause; for many things must
co-operate in the orgination of anything; by whom, from what, by means of
what, and why? Now he by whom a thing orginiates is the cause; that from
which a thing is made is the material; that by means of which it was made is
the instrument; and why is the object."
- Qolon
"Midwinter" <solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> wrote in message
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Qolon, it is just possible - although as yet I cannot see it - that
somewhere within this post of yours you said something relevant to the
thread (such as it currently is). If you will bear with me (and I know
patience is not one of your virtues, but do try), I will work through
what you had to say (and what you cut and paste from a thread several
months ago), and see if anything relates to the rather inane subject
under discussion.
Of course, I am aware that in general terms you live in your own little
world quite removed from the reality that most of us share, but there is
always the possibility you might hit on an interesting point by accident
as you meander by.
"Qolon" <telos@bigpond.com> :
I'm saying that you need to explain why the "word of Osiris, Odin or
Zeus (as important) to you" and being an anathema, ought to [be]
promulgated on Christian newsgroups
If this is directed at me, then I should point out first that you said
no such thing - in fact you said nothing at all. I posted a small
question in reply to a comment by Michael "Christ" and made no reference
whatsoever to the word of any of the above gods - none of whom, I should
point out, do I worship.
Secondly, to address what might have been your point, if you ask why I
come to a Christian group and contest Christianity, well, I do not. The
Christian viewpoint is a perfectly reasonable one *in religious terms*.
What I DO object to here, as I have explained time and again but will
explain again for your benefit in the hope that you are sufficiently
'tuned-in' at the moment to understand it, is the abuse of the Christian
message, and of the concept of religion in general, by those motivated
solely by self-interest. And that generally includes the prophets, the
leaders, the teachers, and the wannabe-messiahs, and those who wish to
keep people ignorant of what is and what can be learned in order to
replace real knowledge with blind faith.
who regard the "word of God
{Yahweh}" as a principle of absolute negation of what you claim is
your religious belief.
If you are referring to me, then I am having trouble finding anywhere
where I have said this. The Word of God is no negation of what I
believe - how could it be? Think about it for a moment. However, I
choose to disregard the Word of your God as being too unreliable a
source from which to draw any strong conclusions. The Bible has become
the weapon of choice for charlatans, hypocrites and frauds (pious and
otherwise), and although I believe there is much within in that is
relevant and even valuable, it is all too easily twisted by those with a
specific, worldly agenda. Many of its translations owe their existence
to this simple fact.
I believe your actions as darkness of soul, are contemptuous of
Christians!
Darkness of soul, yes - I freely admit that, and would have it no other
way. Contemptuous of hypocrites and frauds, oh yes - most certainly.
Contemptuous of Christians? Hardly.
- Qolon
- <http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/meta/cherubim.html#44>
"Midwinter" <solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Michael Christ" <jesus_au@hotmail.com> :
'You are not to have blocked senders lists.'
Why?
--
Midwinter
Just thought I would leave this in to remind readers of the actual
thread so far. I am still struggling, Qolon, to see the relevance of
anything you have written here to this little sequence.
And then you treat us to a requote of a post I made quite some time ago
- when you were last trying to prevent me from posting to this group -
and every word of which I stand by today:
"Midwinter" <midw688@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bhbsjd$hqg$2@hercules.btinternet.com...
You do speak as to children, yes. That is part of your problem.
What you seem to be saying is that Christians should not be
associating with non-Christians. That is your issue, not mine. There
are those Christians who are willing to associate with non-believers,
and talk to them, and listen to their point of view while explaining
their own. These are the Christians who save souls. These are the
Christians who spread the word of their God and the light of His
salvation.
Then, there are Christians who hold non-believers in contempt. Who
write them off, who consider them 'untouchable'. These Christians
have only their own happiness in mind. Their own status is what is
important to them, and they put themselves before everything else.
They are, in essence, the "***** you Jack, I'm all right" breed of
Christian.
It is, of course, up to you which category you choose, net-cop.
Either way will make little difference to me - but it might well make
the world of difference to you.
Moving on, we have one of your rambling "Qolon notes" - your confused
and long-winded tracts usually trying to crowbar occult mysticism into
Biblical tradition:
QOLON NOTE:
#31
Angel/Daemon of Ierathel /Terathel
[131-135 /Aug 2-6 /Leo /Fire / 10, 200, 400 = 610 (#1)
Isopsephy: O Didaskalos - The teacher, master, producer; Xulon -
piece of wood, log, beam, post; used in punishment as cross; bench;
Pteroen - feathered, winged
Ee (HE, EPSILON #5) {Totality? }
No11 = #671
Isopsephy: Paradeisos - Garden of Eden; Paradise; enclosed park or
pleasure-ground of Persian kings & nobles; Triskaideka - thirteen;
Artos - cake or loaf of wheat-bread; Omphae - Unripe; prophetic,
oracular. cf: Omphe - the voice of a god
Latin: Spes Alt: Saitel {Roaming of God} ]{
1. PROTECTS AGAINST UNJUST ATTACKS, CONFOUNDING ONE'S ENEMIES
2. PROPAGATES LIGHT, CIVILISATION & LIBERTY
3. PEACE
4. Hepe }
[#45, #45, #81, #31 - Military Strategies as Guides/ Quelling War ]
X. "Do you not see that even the wise Abraham { father of a great
multitude }, when he began to measure everything with a reference to
God, and to leave nothing to the creature, took an imitation of the
flaming sword {note: #26 gives Solar/Chronos as a rationale and #28
gives reason as its meaning ; cf #1; #11 ; #21 ; #26; #28 ; #30;
#31 }, namely, 'fire and sword,' [Genesis 22:6] being eager to slay
and to burn that mortal creature which was born of him, that so being
raised on high it might soar up to God, the intellect being thus
disentangled from the body."
#112 "So again winter feels a need of summer, and summer of winter,
spring of both, and autumn of spring, and each of these seasons of
each other season; and, so to say everything has a need and want of
everything else. So that the whole universe of which all these are
parts, namely the world, is clearly a complete work, worthy of its
Maker.
Philo Judaeus of Alexandria's (20BCE-50CE) 'On Cherubim II' - Divine
Name or Angels of the Zodiac? © Copyright 1993 Hendrickson Publishers,
Inc ISBN: 0-943575-93-1
Divine Names as wisdom philosophical considerations from 'THE WAY
(TAO) OF VIRTUE (TE) AND CAUSALITY (CHING)' by Chinese Wisdom
Philosopher Lao Tzu (b. 604 BCE) © 1903 Paul Carus ISBN 0-312-26109-8
Angel Names exegesis provided by Qolon, © Copyright 17 August, 2003,
All Rights reserved.
- http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/meta/cherubim.html
So all in all I am afraid your point - if you made one - escapes me. I
wonder if you like to try again, if you can wrestle yourself back into
something approaching the real world?
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Midwinter
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"Qolon" <telos@bigpond.com> :
Midwinter,
Many of your non-christian statements continue to be a lie:
Qolon, do you - CAN you - understand me when I say to you (yet again)
that I AM NOT CHRISTIAN. Does that concept register with you? Can you
accommodate that basic idea? You seem to have trouble with it. To
explain, this simple fact which seems so far beyond you explains why
whatever snide accusations you choose to make that my statements are
"non-Christian" will only garner agreement from me.
Incidentally, if you were wondering, as a non-Christian I still consider
the religion worthy of sufficient respect to afford it a capital 'C'.
a) "I know patience is not one of your virtues, but do try";
Have you ever demonstrated sufficient patience to listen to another's
point of view? Have you ever even READ another's post with the
intention of attempting to understand their position? No. You are
Qolon, the fanatical net cop of the religion groups - and to you,
patience is just something that happens to other people.
b) "If this is directed at me, then I should point out first that you
said no such thing ..."
This is hardly a lie, now is it? Much as you might choose at present to
act as Michael "Christ"'s wingman, there was no reference in what he
said or in what I said, to any of the gods you mentioned. Your strange
and rather hasty defence was, I fear, completely inexplicable.
c) So all in all I am afraid your point - if you made one - escapes
me.
As honest as I can be. It escaped me then, and continues to escape me.
d) Your confused and long-winded tracts usually trying to crowbar
occult mysticism into Biblical tradition:
Hmm. And presumably you would claim you do not do this? Well, I cannot
argue a straightforward denial of the obvious, so I will leave it to
others to judge.
As I recall, the post was originally made to many of these same
newsgroups on Wednesday, 13 August 2003 10:41 AM to these same
newsgroups.
My, time does fly when you are having fun, no? All right, so what would
you say is the relevance of a two-month-old post here and now, Qolon?
That you make me judge of your soul, and lack confidence
of its retention... says all!
Firstly - what soul? Secondly, you judge whatever soul you think I
might have only because you see yourself as the holy net cop, and
presume you have the right to judge it. That in itself says a great
deal to me - including that you are rather inept at the righteous task
you have taken upon yourself. Think about it. You begin from the false
assumption that I have a soul worth retaining. You say you lack
*confidence* in its retention - so you are not such a great judge as you
might think you are, are you? You cannot see what is clearly placed
before you. Confidence does not come into it, net cop - why comment on
its absence as though it is something surprising? It should hardly be
surprising to YOU, now should it?
[...snip more irrelevant pseudo-occultist ramblings, and pointlessly-
replicated text from previous posts...]
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Midwinter
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"Midwinter" <solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> wrote in message
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[...snip more irrelevant pseudo-occultist ramblings, and pointlessly-
replicated text from previous posts...]
Midwinter
Are you an atheist trolling Christian NGs for easy victims to vilify, or
are you just lost here? These spiritual NGs are meant for people to explore
spiritual subjects, including "pseudo-occultism" whatever that means, as
well as "replicated" scriptural references. If that bores you, you know what
you should do, don't you?
--
Pastor Frank
2Tm:3:16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Jesus in Jn:5:39: Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have
eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
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31 Oct 2003 05:49:13 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> :
Are you an atheist trolling Christian NGs for easy victims to vilify,
or are you just lost here? These spiritual NGs are meant for people to
explore spiritual subjects, including "pseudo-occultism" whatever that
means, as well as "replicated" scriptural references. If that bores
you, you know what you should do, don't you?
Certainly. I should do as Qolon demanded a few months back and scurry
away and never show my metaphorical face in HIS groups again.
Well, just as they are not his groups, neither are they yours. Religion
interests me. Christianity interests me. But if something is irrelevant
to a discussion then I will say so, and if I object to what I consider is
the abuse of a faith then I will say that too.
And if, after I have been reading this group for the time I have and have
gained as much from my discussions - even arguments - with other posters
as I have, you still think me a troll, then, "Pastor", that is entirely
your problem. And if, "Pastor", you view me as an atheist then you have
clearly not bothered to learn anything about me before writing me off as a
troll.
You will therefore excuse me if I do not take your opinions too much to
heart.
--
Midwinter
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Midwinter clearly has no sense of humorous reparte and retort {ie.
transcendental, neural linguistic programming}. I just wonder at the
kinetic energy and human activity which was produced in using humour as its
means of its promulgation--When a person jumps over a threshold such as
occurs with humour {ie. it is an implied consent to the values being so
expressed}, it is impossible to go back the same way {ie. there is a natural
boundary within human nature}. It {ie. vMeme/Moment
character} seems to have spread like an infectious disease.
A Mathematical Kabbalistic Metaphysical & Regulative Philosophical
Autonomous Model of Time, Information & Reason:
[#51, #66, #77, #37 - Non-Deeming Action/ Administration of Government -
n(n2+1)/2 or (n3+n)/2 = #sum] & Telos (6,000) = Arch (0) + c²
Synchronisation: #41 Mem = Thursday, 13 September, 2001 [#41, #41, #41,
#41 - Playing with Reversal]
- <http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/patent.html>
1. Begin/Arch/Genesis ... 22/7 = 3W1D [#13, #12, #29, #69 - Profound Use/
The Function of the Mysterious]
2. Cata {-strophe; -menia; -logue; -chresis} 26J5W [#79, #26, #30, #9 - The
Inconstancy of Achievement/ Practising Placidity]
3. Generation 40J4W [#80, #53, #72, #32 - A Natural Guide/ The Virtue of
Holiness]
4. Torah Law @ Sinai [50J] - 1550 BCE ... [#38, #38, #40, #20 - Left without
Language/ Different From the Vulgar]
5. Hebrew's return from Babylonian Exile & Pythagoras' Tetragrammation of
YHWH [72J] {3(3² + 1)/2=[2W1D]} -#3 = 457 BCE ... #10 = 33 CE [#49, #46,
#59, #39 - Achieving Oneness/ The Root of Order]
6. Jesus of Nazareth in 72J71W5D as 30 CE midst 69th Week of [10J] = 490
years - 33 CE ... [#3, #20, #52, #73 - Employing Deeming/ Daring to Act]
7. Telos [122J3W1D] - 6,000 years ... {9(9² + 1)/2=[52W5D]} ... #16 = 2056
CE [#71, #80, #45, #35 - Great Guiding Signs?/ The Virtue of Benevolence]
- Qolon
- <http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/meta/cherubim.html#31>
"Midwinter" <solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9425F26B66373solstice688TAKEYOURS@217.32.252.50...
"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> :
Are you an atheist trolling Christian NGs for easy victims to vilify,
or are you just lost here? These spiritual NGs are meant for people to
explore spiritual subjects, including "pseudo-occultism" whatever that
means, as well as "replicated" scriptural references. If that bores
you, you know what you should do, don't you?
Certainly. I should do as Qolon demanded a few months back and scurry
away and never show my metaphorical face in HIS groups again.
Well, just as they are not his groups, neither are they yours. Religion
interests me. Christianity interests me. But if something is irrelevant
to a discussion then I will say so, and if I object to what I consider is
the abuse of a faith then I will say that too.
And if, after I have been reading this group for the time I have and have
gained as much from my discussions - even arguments - with other posters
as I have, you still think me a troll, then, "Pastor", that is entirely
your problem. And if, "Pastor", you view me as an atheist then you have
clearly not bothered to learn anything about me before writing me off as a
troll.
You will therefore excuse me if I do not take your opinions too much to
heart.
--
Midwinter
QOLON NOTE:
#62
Angel/Daemon of Ielahiah
[216°-220° /Oct 29-Nov 2 /Scorpio /Water /10, 30, 5 = 45 (#3)
Isopsephy: Theke - Tomb; chest; sheath
Latin: Ervens Alt: Pehalyah {Shining Mouth of God}] {
1. PROTECTS & HELPS WIN A LAWSUIT
2. DECISIONS
3. COURAGE IN BATTLE}
[#44, #44, #42, #62 - Construing a Guide/ Practise Reason]
"...and the mind being now irradiated with light, as if the beams of the sun
had suddenly shone upon it after night, or as it had just arisen from a deep
sleep, or as if it had been to see a blind man suddenly restored to sight,
came at once upon all the things with which creation was concerned, heaven,
and earth, and water, and air, and plants, and animals, and their habits,
and distinctive qualities, and faculties, and dispositions, and movements,
and energies, and actions, and changes, and ends; and some things he saw,
and some thing[s] he heard, and some he tasted, and some he smelled, and
some he touched; and towards some he felt an inclination as they were
productive of pleasure, and to some he felt an aversion inasmuch as they
caused pain."
Philo Judaeus of Alexandria's (20BCE-50CE) 'On Cherubim II' - Divine Name or
Angels of the Zodiac? © Copyright 1993 Hendrickson Publishers, Inc ISBN:
0-943575-93-1
Divine Names as wisdom philosophical considerations from 'THE WAY (TAO) OF
VIRTUE (TE) AND CAUSALITY (CHING)' by Chinese Wisdom Philosopher Lao Tzu (b.
604 BCE) © 1903 Paul Carus ISBN 0-312-26109-8
Angel Names exegesis provided by Qolon, © Copyright 17 August, 2003, All
Rights reserved.
- <http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/meta/cherubim.html>
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01 Nov 2003 12:01:33 PM |
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"Qolon" <telos@bigpond.com> :
Midwinter clearly has no sense of humorous reparte and retort
This is very true. Humour, repartee and retort are not specialities of
mine. I have no regrets on this score. Additionally, discussion on here
could only barely be referred to as 'repartee', since that word implies
wit, and wit is something available easily to anyone who has hours or days
to sit thinking up a reply.
Finally, the context and tone of "Pastor" Frank's posts, coupled with his
previous messages to myself and other readers, suggest that it is
extremely unlikely that his motivation for the post was anything to do
with humour.
--
Midwinter
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Actually it seems you might be confusing wit with pedantry.
- Qolon
"Midwinter" <solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Qolon" <telos@bigpond.com> :
Midwinter clearly has no sense of humorous reparte and retort
This is very true. Humour, repartee and retort are not specialities of
mine. I have no regrets on this score. Additionally, discussion on here
could only barely be referred to as 'repartee', since that word implies
wit, and wit is something available easily to anyone who has hours or days
to sit thinking up a reply.
Finally, the context and tone of "Pastor" Frank's posts, coupled with his
previous messages to myself and other readers, suggest that it is
extremely unlikely that his motivation for the post was anything to do
with humour.
--
Midwinter
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02 Nov 2003 12:19:55 PM |
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"Qolon" <telos@bigpond.com> :
Actually it seems you might be confusing wit with pedantry.
Not at all.
'Wit' usually refers to a quick understanding, often in the sense that
such understanding is used to provide a rapid, relevant and intelligence
reply to something. It can be used to humorous effect, or simply to
demonstrate intellectual speed or superiority. As I said, wit (for which
such people as Oscar Wilde have long been renowned) is available to the
most meagre intelligence on here, since posts can be studied in depth
before an answer is submitted.
Pedantry, on the other hand, is 'nit-picking' - the insistence on sticking
to specific meanings, rules or interpretations in the hope that showing
such insistence will demonstrate superiority.
--
Midwinter
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02 Nov 2003 01:58:04 PM |
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Resorting to pedantry over such as spelling errors, and falsely claiming it
as wit {'wit is available to the most meagre intelligence on here'
[Midwinter 3 November, 2003]} or an attempt to gain superiority, is hardly
as enriching as you, an atheist {ie. Godless person} falsely suggest it is:
#1 = 'Darkness of soul, yes - I freely admit that, and would have it no
other way. Contemptuous of hypocrites and frauds, oh yes - most certainly.
Contemptuous of Christians? Hardly.' [Midwinter 29 October, 2003]
#2 = 'explain again for your benefit in the hope that you are sufficiently
'tuned-in' at the moment to understand it, is the abuse of the Christian
message, and of the concept of religion in general, by those motivated
solely by self-interest. And that generally includes the prophets, the
leaders, the teachers, and the wannabe-messiahs, and those who wish to keep
people ignorant of what is and what can be learned in order to replace real
knowledge with blind faith.' [Midwinter 30 October, 2003]
#3 = 'That in itself says a great deal to me - including that you are rather
inept at the righteous task you have taken upon yourself. Think about it.
You begin from the false assumption that I have a soul worth retaining.'
[Midwinter 30 October, 2003]
#4 = "Any person with an interest in religion has a right to post to such
groups, and indeed the presence of atheists and those of other faiths can be
enriching all round." [Midwinter 3 November, 2003]
- Qolon
- <http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/meta/cherubim.html#24>
"Midwinter" <solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Qolon" <telos@bigpond.com> :
Actually it seems you might be confusing wit with pedantry.
Not at all.
'Wit' usually refers to a quick understanding, often in the sense that
such understanding is used to provide a rapid, relevant and intelligence
reply to something. It can be used to humorous effect, or simply to
demonstrate intellectual speed or superiority. As I said, wit (for which
such people as Oscar Wilde have long been renowned) is available to the
most meagre intelligence on here, since posts can be studied in depth
before an answer is submitted.
Pedantry, on the other hand, is 'nit-picking' - the insistence on sticking
to specific meanings, rules or interpretations in the hope that showing
such insistence will demonstrate superiority.
--
Midwinter
QOLON NOTE:
#24
Angel/Daemon of Jibamiah /Gabamiah
[346°-350° /Mar 6-10 /Pisces /Water /10, 2, 40 = 52 (#3) / 612 (#3)
Isopsephy: Aigle - Light of the sun or moon; splendour, glory brightness,
luster, daylight; Aima - Blood; life; Ana - Arise! Upwards; above; on high;
Kakia - Wickedness, vice, moral badness; Iama - Remedy, medicine, healing;
Maia - Good mother, midwife; Stele - Pillar, mark out boundary with, to be
so set up, stand firm; Kakai - Wicked women; Kala - Beautiful
Bb (BETH, BETA #2) No 14 = #1379 CE
{Nature rejoices in its Nature - Banuel / Boulomentoreb}
Latin: Operator Alt: Eriel {Watchfulness of God}] {
1. PROTECTS & REGENERATES, LEADS TO INNER HARMONY
2. PHILOSOPHICAL KNOWLEDGE
3. NATURE}
[#64, #1, #4, #24 - Important Distinctions/ Trouble from Indulgence]
"...and then, having placed each of these stars in its proper orbit, like a
driver in a chariot, he did not entrust the reins to any one of them,
fearing that some inharmonious sort of managment might be the result, but he
made them all to depend upon himself {note: #21 & #24 suggests the character
of their motions depending upon, naturally reflect God & Johannes Kepler
(1571-1630CE) discovered these as three laws of planetary motion: 1) Focus,
2) Equity & 3) Ratio}, thinking that, by that arrangement, the character of
their motions would be rendered most harmonious. For every thing which
exists in combination with God is deserving of praise; but every thing which
exists without him is faulty."
#105 "...so the knowledge of the encyclical accomplishments decorates the
whole habitation of the soul, while grammar investigates the principles of
poetry and follows up the history of ancient events, and geometry labours at
equalities according to analogy, and endeavours to remedy whatever in us is
deficient in rhythm, and moderation, and harmony, by giving us rhythm, and
moderation, and harmony, by means of a polished system of music; and
rhetoric aims at giving us acuteness in everything, and at properly adapting
all proper interpretations to everything, claiming for itself the control of
all intenseness and all the vehement affections, and again of all
relaxations and pleasures, with great freedom of speech, and a successful
application of the organs of language and voice."
Philo Judaeus of Alexandria's (20BCE-50CE) 'On Cherubim II' - Divine Name or
Angels of the Zodiac? © Copyright 1993 Hendrickson Publishers, Inc ISBN:
0-943575-93-1
Divine Names as wisdom philosophical considerations from 'THE WAY (TAO) OF
VIRTUE (TE) AND CAUSALITY (CHING)' by Chinese Wisdom Philosopher Lao Tzu (b.
604 BCE) © 1903 Paul Carus ISBN 0-312-26109-8
Angel Names exegesis provided by Dolf Leendert Boek, © Copyright 17 August,
2003, All Rights reserved.
- <http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/meta/cherubim.html>
QOLON NOTE:
Speaking of which I ought to correct a previous error...
There are at least 3 Jesus' mentioned in the bible:
a) Jesus of Nazareth [Acts 2:22]
b) Bar-Jesus - a false Jewish prophet called Elymas {a magician, a
corrupter} the sorcerer [Acts 13:6-12]
c) Jesus who is called Justus {Just or upright}- a fellow worker for the
kingdom of God who was circumcised according to Jewish tradition [Colossians
4:11]
- Qolon
"Qolon" <telos@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:...
And pedantry only takes seconds!
"Qolon" <telos@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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Actually it seems you might be confusing wit with pedantry.
- Qolon
"Midwinter" <solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Qolon" <telos@bigpond.com> :
Midwinter clearly has no sense of humorous reparte[e] and retort
This is very true. Humour, repartee and retort are not specialities of
mine. I have no regrets on this score. Additionally, discussion on here
could only barely be referred to as 'repartee', since that word implies
wit, and wit is something available easily to anyone who has hours or days
to sit thinking up a reply.
Finally, the context and tone of "Pastor" Frank's posts, coupled with his
previous messages to myself and other readers, suggest that it is
extremely unlikely that his motivation for the post was anything to do
with humour.
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"Qolon" <telos@bigpond.com> :
Resorting to pedantry over such as spelling errors, and falsely
claiming it as wit {'wit is available to the most meagre intelligence
on here' [Midwinter 3 November, 2003]} or an attempt to gain
superiority, is hardly as enriching as you, an atheist {ie. Godless
person} falsely suggest it is:
I am not an atheist. I am a non-Christian. There is a difference which
you and many like you seem unable to comprehend. This is down to simple
religious arrogance.
Furthermore, I do not find pedantry in the least enriching, and am not
particularly interested in wit, either - especially on such a medium as
this where it is neither here nor there in any case.
And of course, it has to be said that there is little enriching about
having a conversation with you, largely because you seem unable to tether
yourself to the point under discussion, never mind any semblance of
reality. I wonder if you are in fact able to make a post without
replicating a week's worth of previous conversation, and accompanying it
with a mass of irrelevant rambling about angels?
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I'm still trying to fathom how an atheist or a catatonic islamic religious
practice and aberration of Biblical religious practice, can add any
rationality to this discussion!
- Qolon
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"Midwinter" <solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> wrote in message
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I am not an atheist. I am a non-Christian. There is a difference which
you and many like you seem unable to comprehend. This is down to simple
religious arrogance.
Furthermore, I do not find pedantry in the least enriching, and am not
particularly interested in wit, either - especially on such a medium as
this where it is neither here nor there in any case.
And of course, it has to be said that there is little enriching about
having a conversation with you, largely because you seem unable to tether
yourself to the point under discussion, never mind any semblance of
reality. I wonder if you are in fact able to make a post without
replicating a week's worth of previous conversation, and accompanying it
with a mass of irrelevant rambling about angels?
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Midwinter
"Midwinter" <solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Qolon" <telos@bigpond.com> :
"Raymond" <rwknapp[-no-scam]@hotmail.com> has in the past, unjustly,
unrighteously and publicly used psychological impugnity as a religious
values statement on 1) Gender, 2) Sexuality, 3) Autonomous and 4)
Isonomic religious and political rights which are untrue, irrational,
solfataric, solecism and slanderous mischaractisations of another's
human right and Constitutional legislative freedom as autonomous and
isonomic religious and political right recognised and articulated by
the United Nations International Covenant of Civil & Political Right:
to hold a religious belief, thought and conscience as value statement
which is inclusive of themself, without the threat or fear of coercion in
which you are and have engaged--And by the evidence produced
continue to engage as your reprobation and course of life.
Here we go again. Qolon, the net cop, the righteous newsgroup enforcer,
he who makes complaints to try to get posters banned for the heinous crime
of disagreeing with his point of view, is again whinging about freedom of
expression.
Hypocrisy.
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Midwinter
QOLON NOTE:
#30
Angel/Daemon of Lehahiah
[166°-170° /Sep 8-12 /Virgo /Earth /30, 5, 8 = 43 (#1)
Isopsephy: Blabe - Loss, damage, harm; Eike - In vain; without plan or
purpose, at random, at a venture
{Telos = YOD-vGreen 10 September, 2001,
LAMED-vCyan 12 September, 2001}
Latin: ... Alt: Haladyah {Yonder is the Strife of God}] {
1. HELPS MAINTAIN PEACE & HARMONY BETWEEN COUNTRIES, PROTECTS CROWN HEADS &
MAKES SUBJECTS OBEDIENT TO SUPERIORS
2. FAITHFULNESS
3. RESPECT AND DEVOTION}
[#43, #43, #9, #30 - Government without Coercion/ Be Chary of War]
"And let the flaming sword {note: #26 gives Solar/Chronos as a rationale and
#28 gives reason as its meaning; cf #1; #11; #21; #26; #28; #30; #31} teach
thee that these things might be followed by a prompt and fiery reason
combined with action, which never ceases being in motion with rapidity and
energy to the selection of good objects, and the avoidance of all such as
are evil."
#111 "In this way inanimate things combine with those which have life,
irrational things with those endowed with reason, trees with men, and men
with plants, things untameable with those which are tame, and domestic
animals with savage ones, the male with the female, and the female with the
male; in short, terrestial animals with such as live in the water, aquatic
creatures with those whose home is in the air, and flying animals with any
of these described above. And besides all those things, earth with heaven,
and heaven with earth, air with water, and water with air. And again the
intermediate natures with one another, and with these are their extemities,
and the extremiteis too form an attachment to the intermediate natures and
to one another." [cf: Romans 1:16-3:8]
Resorting to pedantry over such as spelling errors, and falsely claiming it
as wit {'wit is available to the most meagre intelligence on here'
[Midwinter 3 November, 2003]} or an attempt to gain superiority, is hardly
as enriching as you, an atheist {ie. Godless person} falsely suggest it is:
#1 = 'Darkness of soul, yes - I freely admit that, and would have it no
other way. Contemptuous of hypocrites and frauds, oh yes - most certainly.
Contemptuous of Christians? Hardly.' [Midwinter 29 October, 2003]
#2 = 'explain again for your benefit in the hope that you are sufficiently
'tuned-in' at the moment to understand it, is the abuse of the Christian
message, and of the concept of religion in general, by those motivated
solely by self-interest. And that generally includes the prophets, the
leaders, the teachers, and the wannabe-messiahs, and those who wish to keep
people ignorant of what is and what can be learned in order to replace real
knowledge with blind faith.' [Midwinter 30 October, 2003]
#3 = 'That in itself says a great deal to me - including that you are rather
inept at the righteous task you have taken upon yourself. Think about it.
You begin from the false assumption that I have a soul worth retaining.'
[Midwinter 30 October, 2003]
#4 = "Any person with an interest in religion has a right to post to such
groups, and indeed the presence of atheists and those of other faiths can be
enriching all round." [Midwinter 3 November, 2003]
- Qolon
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"Midwinter" <solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Qolon" <telos@bigpond.com> :
Actually it seems you might be confusing wit with pedantry.
Not at all.
'Wit' usually refers to a quick understanding, often in the sense that
such understanding is used to provide a rapid, relevant and intelligence
reply to something. It can be used to humorous effect, or simply to
demonstrate intellectual speed or superiority. As I said, wit (for which
such people as Oscar Wilde have long been renowned) is available to the
most meagre intelligence on here, since posts can be studied in depth
before an answer is submitted.
Pedantry, on the other hand, is 'nit-picking' - the insistence on sticking
to specific meanings, rules or interpretations in the hope that showing
such insistence will demonstrate superiority.
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Midwinter
QOLON NOTE:
#24
Angel/Daemon of Jibamiah /Gabamiah
[346°-350° /Mar 6-10 /Pisces /Water /10, 2, 40 = 52 (#3) / 612 (#3)
Isopsephy: Aigle - Light of the sun or moon; splendour, glory brightness,
luster, daylight; Aima - Blood; life; Ana - Arise! Upwards; above; on high;
Kakia - Wickedness, vice, moral badness; Iama - Remedy, medicine, healing;
Maia - Good mother, midwife; Stele - Pillar, mark out boundary with, to be
so set up, stand firm; Kakai - Wicked women; Kala - Beautiful
Bb (BETH, BETA #2) No 14 = #1379 CE
{Nature rejoices in its Nature - Banuel / Boulomentoreb}
Latin: Operator Alt: Eriel {Watchfulness of God}] {
1. PROTECTS & REGENERATES, LEADS TO INNER HARMONY
2. PHILOSOPHICAL KNOWLEDGE
3. NATURE}
[#64, #1, #4, #24 - Important Distinctions/ Trouble from Indulgence]
"...and then, having placed each of these stars in its proper orbit, like a
driver in a chariot, he did not entrust the reins to any one of them,
fearing that some inharmonious sort of managment might be the result, but he
made them all to depend upon himself {note: #21 & #24 suggests the character
of their motions depending upon, naturally reflect God & Johannes Kepler
(1571-1630CE) discovered these as three laws of planetary motion: 1) Focus,
2) Equity & 3) Ratio}, thinking that, by that arrangement, the character of
their motions would be rendered most harmonious. For every thing which
exists in combination with God is deserving of praise; but every thing which
exists without him is faulty."
#105 "...so the knowledge of the encyclical accomplishments decorates the
whole habitation of the soul, while grammar investigates the principles of
poetry and follows up the history of ancient events, and geometry labours at
equalities according to analogy, and endeavours to remedy whatever in us is
deficient in rhythm, and moderation, and harmony, by giving us rhythm, and
moderation, and harmony, by means of a polished system of music; and
rhetoric aims at giving us acuteness in everything, and at properly adapting
all proper interpretations to everything, claiming for itself the control of
all intenseness and all the vehement affections, and again of all
relaxations and pleasures, with great freedom of speech, and a successful
application of the organs of language and voice."
Philo Judaeus of Alexandria's (20BCE-50CE) 'On Cherubim II' - Divine Name or
Angels of the Zodiac? © Copyright 1993 Hendrickson Publishers, Inc ISBN:
0-943575-93-1
Divine Names as wisdom philosophical considerations from 'THE WAY (TAO) OF
VIRTUE (TE) AND CAUSALITY (CHING)' by Chinese Wisdom Philosopher Lao Tzu (b.
604 BCE) © 1903 Paul Carus ISBN 0-312-26109-8
Angel Names exegesis provided by Dolf Leendert Boek, © Copyright 17 August,
2003, All Rights reserved.
- <http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/meta/cherubim.html>
QOLON NOTE:
Speaking of which I ought to correct a previous error...
There are at least 3 Jesus' mentioned in the bible:
a) Jesus of Nazareth [Acts 2:22]
b) Bar-Jesus - a false Jewish prophet called Elymas {a magician, a
corrupter} the sorcerer [Acts 13:6-12]
c) Jesus who is called Justus {Just or upright}- a fellow worker for the
kingdom of God who was circumcised according to Jewish tradition [Colossians
4:11]
- Qolon
"Qolon" <telos@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:...
And pedantry only takes seconds!
"Qolon" <telos@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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Actually it seems you might be confusing wit with pedantry.
- Qolon
"Midwinter" <solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Qolon" <telos@bigpond.com> :
Midwinter clearly has no sense of humorous reparte[e] and retort
This is very true. Humour, repartee and retort are not specialities of
mine. I have no regrets on this score. Additionally, discussion on here
could only barely be referred to as 'repartee', since that word implies
wit, and wit is something available easily to anyone who has hours or days
to sit thinking up a reply.
Finally, the context and tone of "Pastor" Frank's posts, coupled with his
previous messages to myself and other readers, suggest that it is
extremely unlikely that his motivation for the post was anything to do
with humour.
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"Qolon" <telos@bigpond.com> :
I'm still trying to fathom how an atheist or a catatonic islamic
religious practice and aberration of Biblical religious practice, can
add any rationality to this discussion!
And I am trying to fathom where Islam came in - catatonic or otherwise. I
do not recall mentioning it. Nor, indeed, am I quite clear on where this
atheist is that you keep mentioning - unless you STILL have not been able
to comprehend the quite simple concept that I am not an atheist...
Mind you, since these issues pale next to the question of how one person
can be so shamelessly hypocritical in the name of their god as you have
been, I do not think I will waste my time worrying about them.
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And pedantry only takes seconds!
"Qolon" <telos@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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Actually it seems you might be confusing wit with pedantry.
- Qolon
"Midwinter" <solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Qolon" <telos@bigpond.com> :
Midwinter clearly has no sense of humorous reparte and retort
This is very true. Humour, repartee and retort are not specialities of
mine. I have no regrets on this score. Additionally, discussion on here
could only barely be referred to as 'repartee', since that word implies
wit, and wit is something available easily to anyone who has hours or days
to sit thinking up a reply.
Finally, the context and tone of "Pastor" Frank's posts, coupled with his
previous messages to myself and other readers, suggest that it is
extremely unlikely that his motivation for the post was anything to do
with humour.
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Hence you ought refrain from engaging in untrue, irrational, solfataric,
solecism and slanderous mischaractisations {
eg. "more irrelevant pseudo-occultist ramblings, and pointlessly-replicated
text from previous post" [Midwinter on 30 October, 2003]
} of another's human right and Constitutional legislative freedom as
autonomous and isonomic religious and political right recognised and
articulated by the United Nations International Covenant of Civil &
Political Right: to hold a religious belief, thought and conscience as value
statement which is inclusive of themself, without the threat or fear of
coercion in which you are and engaging--And by the evidence produced
continue to engage as your reprobation and course of life.
- Qolon
- <http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/meta/cherubim.html#31>
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"Qolon" <telos@bigpond.com> :
Midwint[h]er,
Many of your non-christian statements continue to be a lie:
Qolon, do you - CAN you - understand me when I say to you (yet again)
that I AM NOT CHRISTIAN. Does that concept register with you? Can you
accommodate that basic idea? You seem to have trouble with it. To
explain, this simple fact which seems so far beyond you explains why
whatever snide accusations you choose to make that my statements are
"non-Christian" will only garner agreement from me.
Incidentally, if you were wondering, as a non-Christian I still consider
the religion worthy of sufficient respect to afford it a capital 'C'.
a) "I know patience is not one of your virtues, but do try";
Have you ever demonstrated sufficient patience to listen to another's
point of view? Have you ever even READ another's post with the
intention of attempting to understand their position? No. You are
Qolon, the fanatical net cop of the religion groups - and to you,
patience is just something that happens to other people.
b) "If this is directed at me, then I should point out first that you
said no such thing ..."
This is hardly a lie, now is it? Much as you might choose at present to
act as Michael "Christ"'s wingman, there was no reference in what he
said or in what I said, to any of the gods you mentioned. Your strange
and rather hasty defence was, I fear, completely inexplicable.
c) So all in all I am afraid your point - if you made one - escapes
me.
As honest as I can be. It escaped me then, and continues to escape me.
d) Your confused and long-winded tracts usually trying to crowbar
occult mysticism into Biblical tradition:
Hmm. And presumably you would claim you do not do this? Well, I cannot
argue a straightforward denial of the obvious, so I will leave it to
others to judge.
As I recall, the post was originally made to many of these same
newsgroups on Wednesday, 13 August 2003 10:41 AM to these same
newsgroups.
My, time does fly when you are having fun, no? All right, so what would
you say is the relevance of a two-month-old post here and now, Qolon?
That you make me judge of your soul, and lack confidence
of its retention... says all!
Firstly - what soul? Secondly, you judge whatever soul you think I
might have only because you see yourself as the holy net cop, and
presume you have the right to judge it. That in itself says a great
deal to me - including that you are rather inept at the righteous task
you have taken upon yourself. Think about it. You begin from the false
assumption that I have a soul worth retaining. You say you lack
*confidence* in its retention - so you are not such a great judge as you
might think you are, are you? You cannot see what is clearly placed
before you. Confidence does not come into it, net cop - why comment on
its absence as though it is something surprising? It should hardly be
surprising to YOU, now should it?
[...snip more irrelevant pseudo-occultist ramblings, and pointlessly-
replicated text from previous posts...]
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Midwinter
QOLON NOTE:
Further to the last Midwi[n]ther...
I have included the Angel Name or 'Divine Name' em[a]nation for the day and
upon which, is the basis of my considerations made within the newsgroup
posting of 13 August, 2003. Below that I have included Rabbi Jacob
Feldman's comment from Torah.org, who as Author of 'In Search of Spiritual
Excellence' and Ramchal, proffers an opinion on the meaning on the Angel
Name or 'Divine Name' em[a]nation relationship to the Hebrew religious
practice of Theurgy.
Many of your non-christian statements continue to be a lie:
a) "I know patience is not one of your virtues, but do try";
b) "If this is directed at me, then I should point out first that you said
no such thing ..."
c) So all in all I am afraid your point - if you made one - escapes me.
d) Your confused and long-winded tracts usually trying to crowbar occult
mysticism into Biblical tradition:
As I recall, the post was originally made to many of these same newsgroups
on Wednesday, 13 August 2003 10:41 AM. That you make me judge of your soul,
and lack confidence of its retention... says it all!
#53
Angel/Daemon of Reiiel
[141°-145° /Aug 13-17 /Leo /Fire /200, 10, 10 = 220 (#3)
Isopsephy: Olon - Whole, perfect; Oikon - House, temple
Xx Oo (SAMEK, XI #60) {Polarity?}
Latin: Quaestus Alt: Mashyah {Pledge of God}] {
1. AIDS & PROTECTS AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, BOTH VISIBLE & INVISIBLE
2. MYSTIC FEELINGS
3. SACRED PHILOSOPHY}
[#20, #50, #64, #53 - Increasing Evidence/ Gaining Insight)]
XVI. "And one may wonder at the kind of narration which the Jewish lawgiver
frequently employs in many instances, where he departs from the usual style.
For after giving the history of those parents of the human race who were
created out of the earth, he begins to relate the story of the first-born of
human parents, concerning whom he says absolutely nothing, as if he had
already frequently mentioned his name, and were not now bringing it forward
for the first time. Accordingly, he simply says that 'she brought forth Cain
{possession, or possessed}.' What sort of being was he, O writer; and what
have you ever said about him before of either great or small importance?"
The Way of G-d"
Part 3: "The Soul, Inspiration, Prophecy, and the Supernatural" Chapter 2:
"Theurgy" Paragraph 5
It's here that we actually touch upon theurgy per se, which we defined as
"the art of affecting change in the world through the recitation of Divine
names and the like" (3:2:1).
But we'll first have to repeat and underscore certain points made earlier
on about the universe's spiritual backdrop before we can go on to explain
the idea of G-d having various "names" in the first place, and how we can
affect change in the world by using them. (In fact, the very idea that the
One G-d would "need" or assume more than one name should strike us as odd;
it doesn't simply because we're used to the Torah using different names.)
In any event, let it be underscored that everything -- from the loftiest of
entities to the lowliest, from the broadest and most sweeping to the very
most specific, and from the primary to the peripheral -- owes its existence
to G-d Almighty. Let it also be understood that G-d avails Himself to
everything and everyone, and interacts with everything and everyone in a
unique fashion. Ramchal and others refer to His interactions as His
"emanations" (see 2:8:3).
These emanations keep everything intact and are thus vital for everything's
well-being and very existence. Each one affects a specific and particular
change in the world, and each begins on high in the angelic realm, where it
then passes down to this world.
Now, G-d wanted us to refer to Him by name, we're taught. For indeed it's
only by calling Him by name that we become aware of Him and have a means to
thus draw close to Him. (After all, we can't familiarize ourselves with or
refer to things that aren't named -- even if we name it "X"; and we
certainly can't have a relationship with a nameless, "faceless" entity).
G-d's particular Four Letter Name ("Yod", "Heh", "Vov", and "Heh" as
written in Hebrew) is unique to the expression of His Glory, but He makes
use of many other names. The point to be made is that each one represents a
specific emanation.
G-d bestows a degree of the sort of illumination and influence we'd been
addressing till now in this chapter upon people who utter His name. And
their uttering it under very specific conditions also bestirs the Divine
emanation associated with it in an arcane manner. And once that emanation
is bestirred, it affects the sort of change in the world it alone can
affect.
Uttering those names can also affect the sort of supernatural changes we
spoke of before. It can even elevate the individual uttering them to such a
degree that he can commune with angels and other spiritual beings who can
supply him with information and degrees of enlightenment otherwise beyond
his ken. He can even draw upon Divine Inspiration and prophecy, which we'll
discuss in chapter 3 below. And the process involves repeating one of these
names (or a combination of names, and other utterances) either in his mind
or out-loud while fulfilling other specific conditions.
This series is dedicated to the memory of Yitzchak Hehrsh ben Daniel, and
Sarah Rivka bas Yaakov Dovid." [Courtesy Project Genesis: Rabbi Yaakov
Feldman, <http://www.torah.org> for October 29, 2003 2:01 PM]
- Qolon
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Qolon, it is just possible - although as yet I cannot see it - that
somewhere within this post of yours you said something relevant to the
thread (such as it currently is). If you will bear with me (and I know
patience is not one of your virtues, but do try), I will work through
what you had to say (and what you cut and paste from a thread several
months ago), and see if anything relates to the rather inane subject
under discussion.
Of course, I am aware that in general terms you live in your own little
world quite removed from the reality that most of us share, but there is
always the possibility you might hit on an interesting point by accident
as you meander by.
"Qolon" <telos@bigpond.com> :
I'm saying that you need to explain why the "word of Osiris, Odin or
Zeus (as important) to you" and being an anathema, ought to
promulgated on Christian newsgroups
If this is directed at me, then I should point out first that you said
no such thing - in fact you said nothing at all. I posted a small
question in reply to a comment by Michael "Christ" and made no reference
whatsoever to the word of any of the above gods - none of whom, I should
point out, do I worship.
Secondly, to address what might have been your point, if you ask why I
come to a Christian group and contest Christianity, well, I do not. The
Christian viewpoint is a perfectly reasonable one *in religious terms*.
What I DO object to here, as I have explained time and again but will
explain again for your benefit in the hope that you are sufficiently
'tuned-in' at the moment to understand it, is the abuse of the Christian
message, and of the concept of religion in general, by those motivated
solely by self-interest. And that generally includes the prophets, the
leaders, the teachers, and the wannabe-messiahs, and those who wish to
keep people ignorant of what is and what can be learned in order to
replace real knowledge with blind faith.
who regard the "word of God
{Yahweh}" as a principle of absolute negation of what you claim is
your religious belief.
If you are referring to me, then I am having trouble finding anywhere
where I have said this. The Word of God is no negation of what I
believe - how could it be? Think about it for a moment. However, I
choose to disregard the Word of your God as being too unreliable a
source from which to draw any strong conclusions. The Bible has become
the weapon of choice for charlatans, hypocrites and frauds (pious and
otherwise), and although I believe there is much within in that is
relevant and even valuable, it is all too easily twisted by those with a
specific, worldly agenda. Many of its translations owe their existence
to this simple fact.
I believe your actions as darkness of soul, are contemptuous of
Christians!
Darkness of soul, yes - I freely admit that, and would have it no other
way. Contemptuous of hypocrites and frauds, oh yes - most certainly.
Contemptuous of Christians? Hardly.
- Qolon
- <http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/meta/cherubim.html#44>
"Midwinter" <solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9422F0647ABA6solstice688TAKEYOURS@217.32.252.50...
"Michael Christ" <jesus_au@hotmail.com> :
'You are not to have blocked senders lists.'
Why?
--
Midwinter
Just thought I would leave this in to remind readers of the actual
thread so far. I am still struggling, Qolon, to see the relevance of
anything you have written here to this little sequence.
And then you treat us to a requote of a post I made quite some time ago
- when you were last trying to prevent me from posting to this group -
and every word of which I stand by today:
"Midwinter" <midw688@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bhbsjd$hqg$2@hercules.btinternet.com...
You do speak as to children, yes. That is part of your problem.
What you seem to be saying is that Christians should not be
associating with non-Christians. That is your issue, not mine. There
are those Christians who are willing to associate with non-believers,
and talk to them, and listen to their point of view while explaining
their own. These are the Christians who save souls. These are the
Christians who spread the word of their God and the light of His
salvation.
Then, there are Christians who hold non-believers in contempt. Who
write them off, who consider them 'untouchable'. These Christians
have only their own happiness in mind. Their own status is what is
important to them, and they put themselves before everything else.
They are, in essence, the "***** you Jack, I'm all right" breed of
Christian.
It is, of course, up to you which category you choose, net-cop.
Either way will make little difference to me - but it might well make
the world of difference to you.
Moving on, we have one of your rambling "Qolon notes" - your confused
and long-winded tracts usually trying to crowbar occult mysticism into
Biblical tradition:
QOLON NOTE:
#31
Angel/Daemon of Ierathel /Terathel
[131-135 /Aug 2-6 /Leo /Fire / 10, 200, 400 = 610 (#1)
Isopsephy: O Didaskalos - The teacher, master, producer; Xulon -
piece of wood, log, beam, post; used in punishment as cross; bench;
Pteroen - feathered, winged
Ee (HE, EPSILON #5) {Totality? }
No11 = #671
Isopsephy: Paradeisos - Garden of Eden; Paradise; enclosed park or
pleasure-ground of Persian kings & nobles; Triskaideka - thirteen;
Artos - cake or loaf of wheat-bread; Omphae - Unripe; prophetic,
oracular. cf: Omphe - the voice of a god
Latin: Spes Alt: Saitel {Roaming of God} ]{
1. PROTECTS AGAINST UNJUST ATTACKS, CONFOUNDING ONE'S ENEMIES
2. PROPAGATES LIGHT, CIVILISATION & LIBERTY
3. PEACE
4. Hepe }
[#45, #45, #81, #31 - Military Strategies as Guides/ Quelling War ]
X. "Do you not see that even the wise Abraham { father of a great
multitude }, when he began to measure everything with a reference to
God, and to leave nothing to the creature, took an imitation of the
flaming sword {note: #26 gives Solar/Chronos as a rationale and #28
gives reason as its meaning ; cf #1; #11 ; #21 ; #26; #28 ; #30;
#31 }, namely, 'fire and sword,' [Genesis 22:6] being eager to slay
and to burn that mortal creature which was born of him, that so being
raised on high it might soar up to God, the intellect being thus
disentangled from the body."
#112 "So again winter feels a need of summer, and summer of winter,
spring of both, and autumn of spring, and each of these seasons of
each other season; and, so to say everything has a need and want of
everything else. So that the whole universe of which all these are
parts, namely the world, is clearly a complete work, worthy of its
Maker.
Philo Judaeus of Alexandria's (20BCE-50CE) 'On Cherubim II' - Divine
Name or Angels of the Zodiac? © Copyright 1993 Hendrickson Publishers,
Inc ISBN: 0-943575-93-1
Divine Names as wisdom philosophical considerations from 'THE WAY
(TAO) OF VIRTUE (TE) AND CAUSALITY (CHING)' by Chinese Wisdom
Philosopher Lao Tzu (b. 604 BCE) © 1903 Paul Carus ISBN 0-312-26109-8
Angel Names exegesis provided by Qolon, © Copyright 17 August, 2003,
All Rights reserved.
- http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/meta/cherubim.html
So all in all I am afraid your point - if you made one - escapes me. I
wonder if you like to try again, if you can wrestle yourself back into
something approaching the real world?
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Midwinter
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