On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:17:32 -0800, "Wesley" <Nope@nospam.com,> wrote:

Bible Bob wrote:

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:30:17 -0800, "Wesley" <Nope@nospam.com,>
wrote:

Bible Bob wrote:

On 19 Mar 2005 14:06:56 -0800, "David D. aa#2219 thanks to
Gastrich" <daycd@hotmail.com> wrote:

Jason Gastrich wrote:

Since false religion and unbelief is so rampant on usenet, I
thought it would be wise to create a thread for those that
believe in the biblical doctrine of salvation. This isn't
necessarily meant to divide, but to bind those that are saved.

This list includes people who affirm the biblical doctrine of
salvation and the person of Christ as revealed in the
scriptures. This list excludes that reject the trinity, reject
the gospel, and those that cannot or will not admit what they
believe.

If you do affirm the biblical gospel (and I have a simple
example of it on my site at http://gospel.jcsm.org), then
please add your name to this list. We need to stick together
and have Christian fellowship with like-minded, saved believers.

Jason Gastrich
Uncle Davey
Quartus
John W.
George Peatty

That's it? Only five of you????

My feelings are so hurt. My little heart is so broken and the
tears flowing down my face are shorting out my keyboard. It sure
is a good thing that Jason is not God. I made God's list.

BB

I believe you are a unitarian, if I remember correctly, and why you
do call yourself saved so do Mormons. No Jason has every right in
the world to ask people if they are evangelical Christians in a
fundamentally excepted definition of the word.

But he asked for a list of saved believers. I wonder if the heresy
of not believing in the trinity is enough of a heresy to not be
saved, if in all other ways the man is a Christian?

And yes I am very much a Christian, if my reading of Jason's
statement of faith is correct he and I can talk about this in
person when we both are in a position to know the answer to my
question. Hopefully you will be there as well.

Wesley,

I am not a unitarian or a triniatarian. God knows whether I am
saved doesn't He and He is the one I have to convince isn't He.
What are you referring to with regard to the Mormons; I sure ain't
one and never have been. Why can't Mormons be saved? Isn't Jesus
big enough to save Mormons, too. Do you have a passage in mind
that says that Jesus can not save Mormons or anyone that is
trinitarian or unitarian.

My Lord can save anybody who is saveable which inlcudes Hindus and
Muslems and atheists. Jason's god is unable to save but those that
Jason gives him permission to save.

What gives Jason the right? What passage in the scripture speaks of
evangelical fundamentalist chirstians? And what does fundamentaly
excepted definition of a word have to do with anything if the
fundamentally excerpted defenition of the word contradicts
scripture?

First of all you need to know what "heresy" means. A Heretik is a
schismatic, one who causes division like Jason and the trinity do.
The devilish doctrine of the trinity didn't even come to be until
after the Apostles were gone. There is no biblical evidence that a
trinity even exists. It is merely a way for control freaks to
exercise control over others. The Word of God says that to be
saved:

Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt
believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou
shalt be saved.

Romans 10:10
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the
mouth confession is made unto salvation.

I did that a long time ago and either I am saved or God is a liar.
Jason loves to call everyone a liar, especially God because it makes
him feel like a big shot. My God (and I am using the name with
purpose - not in vain) man, open your eyes can't you see that all
Jason does he does for his glory and his pocketbook. DO you think
his prayer's that turn atheists away from God are scriptural. If
so read Matthew 6 and you will see Jason as the Pharasee that he is.

There is only ONE WAY to be a Christian and that is to confess Jesus
as Lord. All of the man made doctrines and religious ceremony can
not change what Christ did.

I assume you are talking about when Christ gathers together the
church of the body. I'll be there, but I doubt we want to discuss
Jason's evil behavior in the face of our Lord Jesus Christ.

BB

They believe in many Gods, that Jesus and Satan are brothers, and
both were Gods. They believe they will become gods someday. They
believe that there is no heaven as we now it and no hell. When you
die you will be sent to school to learn your errors and given second
chance to repent of them. So what you do now is actually irrelevant
you will get another chance at it.

2Pe 2:1 But there were also prophets among the people, even as
there will be among you, who secretly will bring in destructive
heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing on
themselves swift destruction.

God can save anyone and I am not here to tell you I know who is
damned. But I can tell you being a false teacher is a good way to
find himself in hell.

I can't judge you, I have much too little information. It seems you
may hold some unorthodox beliefs, whether those beliefs are to the
point of heresy I don't know yet. But I read that you deny the deity
of Jesus is that true? The holy sprit is not God? and who is God
talking about when he says "Us".

(Gen 1:26) And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our
likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and
over the fowl of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the
earth, and over all the creepers creeping on the earth.

To answer your last question first, what follows is from a section of
my book The Finger of God - Figures of Speech Used in the Bible.

What is the image and likeness of God? God said "Let us make man in
our image, after our likeness." And God is saying what He said in
figurative words. The plural pronouns used of humans. So once again
we have the figure Anthropopatheia in play to ascribe to God what
belongs to man. In this case it is "person" because "us" and "our"
are the plural forms of "me" and "my" in the objective and possessive
cases. So what would be the image and likness of God in human form?
First of all "in our image, after our likeness" is marked by another
figure called Hendiadys (Two for One); Two words used but one thing
meant so that it means "in the likeness of my image." Remember,
figures are used solely for the sake of emphasis and are used to slow
us down so that we stop and consider what is being said. God spirit,
God is love, and God is holy. What is the image of God? God is
invisible and has no image because an image is something that you can
see. Image refers to the outward form, but God has no outward form or
any form at all for that matter. So the only way that man could be
like God would be in the areas of sprit, love, and holy which includes
knowledge, wisdom, and understanding. In other words God wanted man
to be a smart cookie, a take charge kind of guy because the next words
out of God's figirative mouth are "and let them have dominion over"
the animals.

You can read more at http://www.biblebob.net/Genesis/Genesis%201.htm

I witnessed to a couple Mormons and they joined our church and were
saved. A real nice young couple. They never indicated beliefs such
as those you mentioned.

If you stop and think about the average church goer doesn't know all
of the doctrines that their church teaches. Most church goers are not
up on doctrines such as the trinity. They can not document their
beliefs from scripture. Sadly, those same Christians do not know the
scriptures to lead a person to Christ. From my experience, must
church going "Chistians" do not meet the Biblical criteria of a
"Christian" which is discipleship. There are many saved people that
are not disciples. A guy that gets saved today is not a disciple
today because a disciple is a follower of the teachings and his
teachings and it takes time to devlope that discipline.

I have spent years studying the Bible (and the trinity). I do not
know the whole Bible, but aim me towards the early chapters of Genesis
or the New Testament and I'll give anybody a run for their money. I
know the Word because I study the Word; not books about the Word. My
study tools are the Bible, the Hebrew and Greek Texts, Concordances,
Lexicons, Greek Grammar books, etc. I have many commentaries but
rarely use them. With regard to the trinity, if it were "the thing"
to believe, God would have made the doctrine crystal clear. It was
invented by men and is therefore not accurate.

It appears to me that you and Jason are posting through the same ISP.
IS that true? Are youn in San Diego?

BB