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"Pastor Dave" |
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13 Mar 2006 10:43:56 AM |
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Time Context |
Hi,
The Bible states many, many time contexts
for the last days.
We need to understand first, however, that
the "last days" did not equal, "the end of time"
and I will prove that further down in this
message.
Let me just bring out a few points, that are
simply designed to make you think. And
please, LOOK UP THE SCRIPTURES that
will be noted in this message and see for
yourself what they say, reading them without
a predisposition.
And let me first state that what I am saying,
does not make the Bible useless, as some have
contended, by saying, "If it's not all about us,
then what good is the Bible?". That seems
to me, to be a pretty vain statement. And
no matter how hard some may try to deny it,
it would mean that for all of the generations,
including the Apostles, that the Bible was
useless. (:
THAT IS what that statement means!
You can't say that if it's not all about you,
that it's useless and then deny that you are
saying that it must have been useless to
those before you, since they would have
the right to ask the same question, right?
Yet sadly, people do carry their vanity that far. (:
Anyway, let me bring out a few points, which
are not an attack on anyone, but are, as I said,
designed to make you think about some things.
The question I would also like to ask, is do you
think that God is a cruel prankster?
Think about it. John writes to the people
and states that the time is "at hand". Yet
somehow, it wasn't about those who first
read it and it was really about people who
would live thousands of years later and
still counting?
And the truth is, that as we read through the writings
in the New Testament, we can see, if we read them
chronologically, that as the time drew nearer, the
message generally got more pronounced and more
imminent. Of course, to the futurist, imminent
means "it could be thousands of years off". (:
The bottom line however, is that no one can
convince me that God decided that we should
all have Revelation and yet, that He meant for
us to be lost about it. (: There is no reason that
the Bible student should not be able to understand
the message of Revelation, when taken in its
proper context, that the writing itself states
is the context, instead of what modern man
tries to make the context, by ignoring the
clear time context that the writing itself states.
The truth is, that what also plays a part in the way
that John wrote it, was the issue of those who read
it avoiding persecution. Had he said some things
outright and people were found in possession of
what we now call "Revelation", they would have
been killed. In fact, in those days, people were
imprisoned and killed for being found with letters
that we now have in the New Testament. Even
the NT records the start of this persecution.
Or did we all forget who Paul is and what he
used to do? :)
Thus, it was something that Jews would have understood
and it is something that Christians who had been
instructed out of the Old Testament, which was
the Bible that the Apostles preached from (also see
Acts 17:10-12), who would have had some instruction
in this type of imagery and also, since it was Jews
who founded the churches, would have understood
in THEIR time.
To believe that John sent this letter to at least those
seven churches and told them that Jesus was coming
"quickly" and "soon" (which Jesus Himself said within
the Book of Revelation) and also that the time was
"at hand", but yet, they were also believe that it
wasn't meant for them (even though it never said that)
and that God was inspiring John to use some sort of
"opposite time language" and that it was really meant
for people now, is the height of vanity and is flat out
ridiculous!
What a CRUEL JOKE that would have been,
if the futurists are right and it can only be
understood now, because it is being fulfilled
in our time!!!
Think about it...
John sends them this writing and tells them
that the time is at hand and Jesus Himself
says that He's coming quickly and yet, the
truth is, that He won't be coming for thousands
of years and the things within it, the prophecies,
have absolutely nothing to do with them?!
So now they're all freaked out for nothing?!
What kind of SICK, CRUEL Lord do these
end timers worship?!?!?!
You decide what you want to believe. But to avoid
studying all views against the Book itself and then
make ANY claim about what it says, is not an honest
approach, wouldn't you agree? I'm not saying you
personally are doing that.
But that is EXACTLY what happens and people
ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to consider the Book
within its own time frame, or the time frame
that the Book itself states. (:
And the copout of "1,000 years = 1 day" is just that.
A copout.
They try to claim that God has "1,000 year days"
and yet, hypocritically claim that God isn't bound
by time. (:
God must really hate those "500 year nights"! :)
Then again, there is no darkness with God, so how
could there be nights?
How does this work out? (:
They're taking an obvious exaggeration that was
said to make the point to the readers to be patient
and they're saying that that phrase is literal and
that all the other time statements in the Bible
that I noted to them are not literal. Yet they claim
that I'm doing a disservice to Scripture, by stating
that the "1,000 year day" statement was an
exaggeration to make a point. That seems
hypocritical to me. (:
And btw, it doesn't say that "1,000 years = 1 day".
It says, "AS". It is a statement made, to tell
them to be patient, nothing more.
You see, the reality is, that when God communicates
a time to man, it is in HUMAN time, since God
is outside of time. Otherwise, if it weren't being
communicated to us in human time, how could we
count Jeremiah's 70 years, for example and know
that God kept His word? And even they would
point at that fulfilled prophecy as proof that God
keeps His word, so how does that jive with their
approach of "1,000 years = 1 day"? And what
would happen if we tried to apply their rule to
that prophecy? It would have taken how many
millions of years for it to complete???
The truth is, using the method that the futurists
use to try to avoid the clear, simple time statements
of Scripture, we could not count on any of the
prophecies that gave specific time frames and they
take away the integrity of God when they do that. (:
And since Revelation borrows from other books
that are found in the Old Testament, like Jeremiah,
Hosea, Daniel and others and since the futurists
like to quote Daniel and place it in the future,
we should note that Daniel and Revelation tie together
at many points and are about many of the same events
and so, if Daniel has been fulfilled, then the things
in Revelation must have been fulfilled. This cannot
be denied, since again, they are speaking of many
of the same events.
So then of course, they have to explain how it is,
that Jesus said that "all things written" would
be fulfilled when Jerusalem was surrounded
by armies and desolated (Luke 21:20-22) and
the fact that it did happen in 70 AD, is just that,
a fact. And yet, they put Daniel into the future.
Huh?
Wasn't Daniel already written before Jesus arrived?
Not if we use THEIR theology! (:
But we know it was and we know that Jesus said,
"all things written" would be fulfilled when Jerusalem
was surrounded and desolated and that means that
either Daniel was fulfilled, or Jesus was a liar.
Now they take away Jesus' integrity. (:
Of course, then they can try to explain how it is
that Daniel, who wrote a Messianic book, was told
to seal it because "the time was not yet", which
means that 600 years later it would be opened
(when the Messiah appeared), but then John,
when he wrote Revelation, was told not to seal it,
because the time was "at hand" and yet, that means
that thousands of years had to pass. Huh?!
And Daniel told us that the Messiah would come
in the last time (of the age) and so, we know that
not only was the seal to be broken when Jesus
arrived, but also that when Jesus came, it was
the last days. So why avoid these simple facts?
And why avoid the simple fact that Jesus said
that all things written were fulfilled? Why?
Vanity. (: Escapism. (:
The writer of Hebrews noted that they were in
the last days back then (see Hebrews 1:1-2
and note that it says, "these last days" and not
"the last days" and he wrote that in the 1st century,
which makes it present tense to his time) and when
John later wrote his letters, he said that it was
"the last hour". So it went from the "last days"
to the "last hour" in the years between those
two writings. Since it then became the "last hour",
within those years, that leaves no room whatsoever,
for the idea that "thousands of years and still
counting" were to pass, before Christ returned.
Now they have the last HOUR taking that long! :)
Also...
The end of the last days was not the end of time.
Hebrews 6:4-6 tells us there would be another
age, as did Jesus, in Mark 10:29-30 and not
only this, but Isaiah noted normal life going on
after the end of it all, on Earth (I can provide
the verses, if you wish). The Kingdom, according
to Jesus was spiritual, not physical (Luke 17:20-21)
and it was about the judgment and destruction
of Jerusalem (and Judea) that was the end of
it all, which was the removal of the Old Covenant
system, which became an abomination to God,
after Jesus died and rose and Luke 21:20-22
tells us that! Jesus said that those would be
the days of vengeance, in which all things
written would be fulfilled!
People say to ignore history is to repeat history
and yes, that's a bad thing.
Yet when it comes to the Bible, they demand
that history be ignored and hand wave it away,
when it is presented, even though THEY KNOW
that it fulfills Jesus' words TO THE LETTER,
like the Temple being torn down, stone by stone.
This is the "backwards Bible world" that they
live in. The motto is...
"When opening ones Bible, do not use common sense
and take everything the exact opposite of the way
you would any other writing and ignore anything
that makes sense, or that supports a different view,
because, to use logic and reason, is 'sophistry'."
The naysayers try to claim that logic and reason
are "sophistry".
But of course, God said..
"Come, let us REASON TOGETHER"
The Bible tells us that after the last days (which
does not mean "the end of time"), there would
be ANOTHER AGE, which means more linear
time and therefore, the end of the previous age
cannot be the end of time, as they keep claiming
it is and the Bible tells us of the POWERS of that
next age, which is now here (but they believe will
never happen, going against Scripture, because
they believe that the end of the age they were in,
would be the end of time).
"...the good word of God and the POWERS
of THE AGE TO COME..." - Hebrews 6:5
And Jesus also said that an age was to come
and yes, He is noting after it all ends, since
that is when, according to Scripture, they
spoke of inheriting eternal life.
Mark 10:29-30
29) So Jesus answered and said, Assuredly,
I say to you, there is no one who has left
house or brothers or sisters or father or
mother or wife or children or lands, for
My sake and the gospel’s
30) who shall not receive a hundredfold now
in this time houses and brothers and sisters
and mothers and children and lands, with
persecutions and in THE AGE TO COME,
eternal life.
There was another age to come, which we are
in now and it was not about us living as some
kind of "new earth" and "resurrected spirit,
yet somehow physical bodies".
In fact, when we read Isaiah, we see that after
it all was to happen, that life was still to go on...
He notes building homes (Is 65:20; 66:24).
He notes farming (Is 65:21-22).
He notes people having descendants, which means
that it cannot be just believers, with glorified bodies
that are no longer human (Is 65:23; 66:22).
He notes a new priestly group, which describes
the church, which is us (Is 65:24).
Etc., etc..
Of course, they can also try to explain how it is
that Daniel, who wrote a Messianic book, was
told to seal it because "the time was not yet",
which means that 600 years later it would
be opened (when the Messiah appeared), but
then John, when he wrote Revelation, was told
not to seal it, because the time was "at hand"
and yet, that means that thousands of years
had to pass. Huh?!
And why can't they explain to us how Jesus comes
and THEN the dead are raised (we both agree
to that), which means that only living humans
could see Him return, if He was supposed to be
seen physically and bodily and not the dead,
since they aren't raised until AFTER He is seen
coming and yet, Revelation 1:7 also says, after
saying, "every eye shall see Him", in the same
verse, that, "even they who pierced Him" would
see Him. That means that those who crucified
Him had to still be alive to see Him! Remember,
it can't be them resurrected!
You see folks, that's the part of the verse no one
likes to quote. Because they know it spells doom
for the futurist doctrine. When's the last time
we heard anyone quote the WHOLE verse in
church? (:
So tell me, how does all that work out?
And now the futurists will respond with their slams.
And they will try to pretend that they have somehow
refuted everything I brought up, when in reality,
they have only tried to distract attention away from
these legitimate questions and points.
They will also say, "Oh yea? When did this happen?"
and will then quote some passage that they claim
hasn't been fulfilled yet. But again, what did Jesus
say about it?
So when we realize what Jesus said in Luke 21:20-22,
our question should not be, "When did this happen?",
but rather, "Since according to Jesus it must have
been fulfilled, I need to ask HOW it was fulfilled, not
IF it was fulfilled, since there is obviously things I
am missing here.".
History is not the enemy of Scripture. It is that
which proves Scripture.
Before the end timers argue that point, which they
would have, because they act like idiots and throw
logic and reason out the window, when they open
their Bibles, the fact is, that they themselves point
to historical events, to prove that the prophecies
that they say have been fulfilled, have been, so they
are, very simply, hypocrites, when they object to
what I just said about history. (:
Don't fall for it folks. Use the brain that God gave
you and listen to what the Bible says and not what
they wish it said.
So these are, as I said, just some thoughts I wanted
to bring out.
And if anything I said offends you, maybe instead
of attacking me, you should ask yourself why, in
light of the facts that I stated above.
The reality is, that no one has been able to dispute
the facts I brought out and no one will be able to,
because Jesus said what He said and history shows
that it happened exactly as it is described.
But the end timers, instead of being happy about
that, are *****, because that means it isn't
all about them, in their generation. Yet they
claim not to be vain? Huh?! (:
--
"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled." - Matthew 24:34
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"Pastor Dave" <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message =
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Hi,
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The Bible states many, many time contexts
for the last days.
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We need to understand first, however, that
the "last days" did not equal, "the end of time"
and I will prove that further down in this
message.
Satan, you're a confused liar. If the Author wern't refering to the last =
days, they wouldn't be the last days.=20
Since you still can't remember, the prophecy of the seventh millennial =
day (Heb 4, 2Pet 3) also prophesied the first six millemnnial days. You =
see, Bubba, there ain't no seventh if there ain't a first, a second, a =
third, afourth, a fifth, and a sixth: A week of millennial days.
The first day is the day that Adam fell and died at the age of 930 =
years: "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt =
not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely =
die" (Gen 2:17).=20
The last days are the time of the Messiah from His coming when and how =
prophesied (Dan 9:25, Zech 9:9): "And it shall come to pass in the last =
days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the =
top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all =
nations shall flow unto it" (Is 2:2). It was after His first coming that =
the nations [goyim: uncircumcised] began coming into the kingdom. And it =
is in the millennium that it is exalted above the hills. The last days =
are the last three days of the millennial week.
And the very last day is the day of the Lord, the last 1000 years of the =
world, the old corrupted earth (2 Pet 3:10, Rev. 20:4-5). Forth the =
church it is the day of His rest (Heb 4), and for the =
enemy-of-the-gospel elect (Rom 11:28), who receive Him when He returns =
(Zech 12:10), it is the day of His wrath (Is 13:9-13).
<SNIP>
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Blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the =
Gentiles be come in (Rom 11:25)=20
Why then say the scribes that ELYH (Elijah) must first come? (Matt =
17:10)
I will send you El YH (LORD God) the prophet before the coming of the =
great and dreadful day of the Lord (Mal 4:5)=20
Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto =
his servants the prophets (Amos 3:7)
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remember, the prophecy=20
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six=20
millemnnial days. You see, Bubba, there ain't no seventh if there ain't =
a first,=20
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and died at=20
the age of 930 years: "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and =
evil, thou=20
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die" (Gen 2:17). </FONT></DIV>
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Messiah from His=20
coming when and how prophesied (Dan 9:25, Zech 9:9): "And it shall come =
to pass=20
in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be =
established in=20
the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all =
nations=20
shall flow unto it" (Is 2:2). It was after His first coming that the =
nations=20
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millennium that it is exalted above the hills. The last days are the =
last three=20
days of the millennial week.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>And the very last day is the day of the =
Lord, the=20
last 1000 years of the world, the old corrupted earth (2 Pet 3:10, Rev. =
20:4-5).=20
Forth the church it is the day of His rest (Heb 4), and for the=20
enemy-of-the-gospel elect (Rom 11:28), who receive Him when He returns =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Why then say the scribes that ELYH =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Surely the Lord God will do nothing, =
but he=20
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3:7)</FONT></DIV>
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15 Mar 2006 08:40:00 AM |
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On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:28:47 -0500, wrote
(in article <julRf.59701$dW3.49323@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>):
"Pastor Dave" <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ch2b12hg81025oo3k686t5p9m2kj8d99tr@4ax.com...
Hi,
The Bible states many, many time contexts
for the last days.
We need to understand first, however, that
the "last days" did not equal, "the end of time"
and I will prove that further down in this
message.
Satan, you're a confused liar. If the Author wern't refering to the last
days, they wouldn't be the last days.
Since you still can't remember, the prophecy of the seventh millennial day
(Heb 4, 2Pet 3) also prophesied the first six millemnnial days. You see,
Bubba, there ain't no seventh if there ain't a first, a second, a third,
afourth, a fifth, and a sixth: A week of millennial days.
The first day is the day that Adam fell and died at the age of 930 years:
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it:
for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Gen 2:17).
The last days are the time of the Messiah from His coming when and how
prophesied (Dan 9:25, Zech 9:9): "And it shall come to pass in the last days,
that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the
mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow
unto it" (Is 2:2). It was after His first coming that the nations [goyim:
uncircumcised] began coming into the kingdom. And it is in the millennium
that it is exalted above the hills. The last days are the last three days of
the millennial week.
And the very last day is the day of the Lord, the last 1000 years of the
world, the old corrupted earth (2 Pet 3:10, Rev. 20:4-5). Forth the church it
is the day of His rest (Heb 4), and for the enemy-of-the-gospel elect (Rom
11:28), who receive Him when He returns (Zech 12:10), it is the day of His
wrath (Is 13:9-13).
<SNIP>
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If one day is a thousand years then show me where God changed 1000 year day
to 24 hr. days?
The day's in Gen. are the same time frame we have to day 24 hr.
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15 Mar 2006 09:34:05 PM |
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"One In Christ" <rbwnn@try.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:28:47 -0500, wrote
(in article <julRf.59701$dW3.49323@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>):
"Pastor Dave" <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ch2b12hg81025oo3k686t5p9m2kj8d99tr@4ax.com...
Hi,
The Bible states many, many time contexts
for the last days.
We need to understand first, however, that
the "last days" did not equal, "the end of time"
and I will prove that further down in this
message.
Satan, you're a confused liar. If the Author wern't refering to the last
days, they wouldn't be the last days.
Since you still can't remember, the prophecy of the seventh millennial
day
(Heb 4, 2Pet 3) also prophesied the first six millemnnial days. You see,
Bubba, there ain't no seventh if there ain't a first, a second, a third,
afourth, a fifth, and a sixth: A week of millennial days.
The first day is the day that Adam fell and died at the age of 930
years:
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat
of it:
for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Gen
2:17).
The last days are the time of the Messiah from His coming when and how
prophesied (Dan 9:25, Zech 9:9): "And it shall come to pass in the last
days,
that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of
the
mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall
flow
unto it" (Is 2:2). It was after His first coming that the nations
[goyim:
uncircumcised] began coming into the kingdom. And it is in the
millennium
that it is exalted above the hills. The last days are the last three
days of
the millennial week.
And the very last day is the day of the Lord, the last 1000 years of the
world, the old corrupted earth (2 Pet 3:10, Rev. 20:4-5). Forth the
church it
is the day of His rest (Heb 4), and for the enemy-of-the-gospel elect
(Rom
11:28), who receive Him when He returns (Zech 12:10), it is the day of
His
wrath (Is 13:9-13).
<SNIP>
.
If one day is a thousand years then show me where God changed 1000 year
day
to 24 hr. days?
The day's in Gen. are the same time frame we have to day 24 hr.
ROTFL!!!!!!
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Seek ye the Lord while he may be found (Is 55:6)
Blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles
be come in (Rom 11:25)
Why then say the scribes that ELYH (Elijah) must first come? (Matt 17:10)
I will send you El YH (LORD God) the prophet before the coming of the great
and dreadful day of the Lord (Mal 4:5)
Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his
servants the prophets (Amos 3:7)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
.
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| User: "One In Christ" |
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| Title: Re: Time Context |
16 Mar 2006 06:34:26 AM |
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On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:34:05 -0500, wrote
(in article <N05Sf.47736$F_3.33274@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>):
"One In Christ" <rbwnn@try.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:28:47 -0500, wrote
(in article <julRf.59701$dW3.49323@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>):
"Pastor Dave" <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ch2b12hg81025oo3k686t5p9m2kj8d99tr@4ax.com...
Hi,
The Bible states many, many time contexts
for the last days.
We need to understand first, however, that
the "last days" did not equal, "the end of time"
and I will prove that further down in this
message.
Satan, you're a confused liar. If the Author wern't refering to the last
days, they wouldn't be the last days.
Since you still can't remember, the prophecy of the seventh millennial
day
(Heb 4, 2Pet 3) also prophesied the first six millemnnial days. You see,
Bubba, there ain't no seventh if there ain't a first, a second, a third,
afourth, a fifth, and a sixth: A week of millennial days.
The first day is the day that Adam fell and died at the age of 930
years:
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat
of it:
for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Gen
2:17).
The last days are the time of the Messiah from His coming when and how
prophesied (Dan 9:25, Zech 9:9): "And it shall come to pass in the last
days,
that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of
the
mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall
flow
unto it" (Is 2:2). It was after His first coming that the nations
[goyim:
uncircumcised] began coming into the kingdom. And it is in the
millennium
that it is exalted above the hills. The last days are the last three
days of
the millennial week.
And the very last day is the day of the Lord, the last 1000 years of the
world, the old corrupted earth (2 Pet 3:10, Rev. 20:4-5). Forth the
church it
is the day of His rest (Heb 4), and for the enemy-of-the-gospel elect
(Rom
11:28), who receive Him when He returns (Zech 12:10), it is the day of
His
wrath (Is 13:9-13).
<SNIP>
.
If one day is a thousand years then show me where God changed 1000 year
day
to 24 hr. days?
The day's in Gen. are the same time frame we have to day 24 hr.
ROTFL!!!!!!
If you can show me any where in history, a thousand year day then do it.
You can not, You can't even show me in the Bible it's not in there.
So I would throw away the book's you found all that false teaching and use
the Bible, God's Word it will stand. Some other man's teaching will not.
Show me also where it sad Adam was an eternal being, I do not read that in my
Bible.
Remember the tree of Life was also in the garden Adam could have ate of it
also, Then he would have lived forever.
Adam had God's permission to eat every tree but the tree of knowledge of good
and evil. God gave him a choice.... Choose this day who you will serve.
If you find fault in someone teaching or you can't find Scripture to back up
that teaching, then you better leave it alone.
.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Time Context |
16 Mar 2006 02:28:12 PM |
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"One In Christ" <rbwnn@try.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C03EC52B00024F6EF0386550@news-server.woh.rr.com...
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:34:05 -0500, wrote
(in article <N05Sf.47736$F_3.33274@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>):
"One In Christ" <rbwnn@try.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C03D911D000A4FA0F0386550@news-server.woh.rr.com...
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:28:47 -0500, wrote
(in article <julRf.59701$dW3.49323@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>):
"Pastor Dave" <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ch2b12hg81025oo3k686t5p9m2kj8d99tr@4ax.com...
Hi,
The Bible states many, many time contexts
for the last days.
We need to understand first, however, that
the "last days" did not equal, "the end of time"
and I will prove that further down in this
message.
Satan, you're a confused liar. If the Author wern't refering to the
last
days, they wouldn't be the last days.
Since you still can't remember, the prophecy of the seventh millennial
day
(Heb 4, 2Pet 3) also prophesied the first six millemnnial days. You
see,
Bubba, there ain't no seventh if there ain't a first, a second, a
third,
afourth, a fifth, and a sixth: A week of millennial days.
The first day is the day that Adam fell and died at the age of 930
years:
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat
of it:
for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Gen
2:17).
The last days are the time of the Messiah from His coming when and how
prophesied (Dan 9:25, Zech 9:9): "And it shall come to pass in the
last
days,
that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top
of
the
mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall
flow
unto it" (Is 2:2). It was after His first coming that the nations
[goyim:
uncircumcised] began coming into the kingdom. And it is in the
millennium
that it is exalted above the hills. The last days are the last three
days of
the millennial week.
And the very last day is the day of the Lord, the last 1000 years of
the
world, the old corrupted earth (2 Pet 3:10, Rev. 20:4-5). Forth the
church it
is the day of His rest (Heb 4), and for the enemy-of-the-gospel elect
(Rom
11:28), who receive Him when He returns (Zech 12:10), it is the day of
His
wrath (Is 13:9-13).
<SNIP>
.
If one day is a thousand years then show me where God changed 1000 year
day
to 24 hr. days?
The day's in Gen. are the same time frame we have to day 24 hr.
ROTFL!!!!!!
If you can show me any where in history, a thousand year day then do it.
How many times do I have to show it to you?
Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of
it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Adam was 930 yeares old when He died.
You can not, You can't even show me in the Bible it's not in there.
So I would throw away the book's you found all that false teaching and use
the Bible, God's Word it will stand. Some other man's teaching will not.
Show me also where it sad Adam was an eternal being, I do not read that in
my
Bible.
What are you rambling about?
Remember the tree of Life was also in the garden Adam could have ate of it
also, Then he would have lived forever.
Adam had God's permission to eat every tree but the tree of knowledge of
good
and evil. God gave him a choice.... Choose this day who you will serve.
If you find fault in someone teaching or you can't find Scripture to back
up
that teaching, then you better leave it alone.
Of course I find fault in anyone teaching heresy!
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Seek ye the Lord while he may be found (Is 55:6)
Blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles
be come in (Rom 11:25)
Why then say the scribes that ELYH (Elijah) must first come? (Matt 17:10)
I will send you El YH (LORD God) the prophet before the coming of the great
and dreadful day of the Lord (Mal 4:5)
Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his
servants the prophets (Amos 3:7)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
.
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| User: "oldwetdog" |
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| Title: Re: Time Context |
16 Mar 2006 03:45:34 PM |
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wrote:
"One In Christ" <rbwnn@try.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C03EC52B00024F6EF0386550@news-server.woh.rr.com...
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:34:05 -0500, wrote
(in article <N05Sf.47736$F_3.33274@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>):
"One In Christ" <rbwnn@try.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C03D911D000A4FA0F0386550@news-server.woh.rr.com...
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:28:47 -0500, wrote
(in article <julRf.59701$dW3.49323@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>):
"Pastor Dave" <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ch2b12hg81025oo3k686t5p9m2kj8d99tr@4ax.com...
Hi,
The Bible states many, many time contexts
for the last days.
We need to understand first, however, that
the "last days" did not equal, "the end of time"
and I will prove that further down in this
message.
Satan, you're a confused liar. If the Author wern't refering to the
last
days, they wouldn't be the last days.
Since you still can't remember, the prophecy of the seventh millennial
day
(Heb 4, 2Pet 3) also prophesied the first six millemnnial days. You
see,
Bubba, there ain't no seventh if there ain't a first, a second, a
third,
afourth, a fifth, and a sixth: A week of millennial days.
The first day is the day that Adam fell and died at the age of 930
years:
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat
of it:
for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Gen
2:17).
The last days are the time of the Messiah from His coming when and how
prophesied (Dan 9:25, Zech 9:9): "And it shall come to pass in the
last
days,
that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top
of
the
mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall
flow
unto it" (Is 2:2). It was after His first coming that the nations
[goyim:
uncircumcised] began coming into the kingdom. And it is in the
millennium
that it is exalted above the hills. The last days are the last three
days of
the millennial week.
And the very last day is the day of the Lord, the last 1000 years of
the
world, the old corrupted earth (2 Pet 3:10, Rev. 20:4-5). Forth the
church it
is the day of His rest (Heb 4), and for the enemy-of-the-gospel elect
(Rom
11:28), who receive Him when He returns (Zech 12:10), it is the day of
His
wrath (Is 13:9-13).
<SNIP>
.
If one day is a thousand years then show me where God changed 1000 year
day
to 24 hr. days?
The day's in Gen. are the same time frame we have to day 24 hr.
ROTFL!!!!!!
If you can show me any where in history, a thousand year day then do it.
How many times do I have to show it to you?
Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of
it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Adam was 930 yeares old when He died.
So now you have demonstrated that not only do you make
assumptions, but you leap to wrong conclusions!!
You can not, You can't even show me in the Bible it's not in there.
So I would throw away the book's you found all that false teaching and use
the Bible, God's Word it will stand. Some other man's teaching will not.
Show me also where it sad Adam was an eternal being, I do not read that in
my
Bible.
What are you rambling about?
Remember the tree of Life was also in the garden Adam could have ate of it
also, Then he would have lived forever.
Adam had God's permission to eat every tree but the tree of knowledge of
good
and evil. God gave him a choice.... Choose this day who you will serve.
If you find fault in someone teaching or you can't find Scripture to back
up
that teaching, then you better leave it alone.
Of course I find fault in anyone teaching heresy!
.
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| User: "" |
|
| Title: Re: Time Context |
17 Mar 2006 01:36:45 PM |
|
|
"oldwetdog" <oldwetdog@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:121jn3v6198q82c@corp.supernews.com...
wrote:
"One In Christ" <rbwnn@try.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C03EC52B00024F6EF0386550@news-server.woh.rr.com...
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:34:05 -0500, wrote
(in article <N05Sf.47736$F_3.33274@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>):
"One In Christ" <rbwnn@try.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C03D911D000A4FA0F0386550@news-server.woh.rr.com...
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:28:47 -0500, wrote
(in article <julRf.59701$dW3.49323@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>):
"Pastor Dave" <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ch2b12hg81025oo3k686t5p9m2kj8d99tr@4ax.com...
Hi,
The Bible states many, many time contexts
for the last days.
We need to understand first, however, that
the "last days" did not equal, "the end of time"
and I will prove that further down in this
message.
Satan, you're a confused liar. If the Author wern't refering to the
last
days, they wouldn't be the last days.
Since you still can't remember, the prophecy of the seventh
millennial
day
(Heb 4, 2Pet 3) also prophesied the first six millemnnial days. You
see,
Bubba, there ain't no seventh if there ain't a first, a second, a
third,
afourth, a fifth, and a sixth: A week of millennial days.
The first day is the day that Adam fell and died at the age of 930
years:
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not
eat
of it:
for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Gen
2:17).
The last days are the time of the Messiah from His coming when and
how
prophesied (Dan 9:25, Zech 9:9): "And it shall come to pass in the
last
days,
that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the
top
of
the
mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations
shall
flow
unto it" (Is 2:2). It was after His first coming that the nations
[goyim:
uncircumcised] began coming into the kingdom. And it is in the
millennium
that it is exalted above the hills. The last days are the last three
days of
the millennial week.
And the very last day is the day of the Lord, the last 1000 years of
the
world, the old corrupted earth (2 Pet 3:10, Rev. 20:4-5). Forth the
church it
is the day of His rest (Heb 4), and for the enemy-of-the-gospel
elect
(Rom
11:28), who receive Him when He returns (Zech 12:10), it is the day
of
His
wrath (Is 13:9-13).
<SNIP>
.
If one day is a thousand years then show me where God changed 1000
year
day
to 24 hr. days?
The day's in Gen. are the same time frame we have to day 24 hr.
ROTFL!!!!!!
If you can show me any where in history, a thousand year day then do
it.
How many times do I have to show it to you?
Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not
eat of
it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Adam was 930 yeares old when He died.
So now you have demonstrated that not only do you make
assumptions, but you leap to wrong conclusions!!
Genesis 5:5
And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and
he died.
You can not, You can't even show me in the Bible it's not in there.
So I would throw away the book's you found all that false teaching and
use
the Bible, God's Word it will stand. Some other man's teaching will
not.
Show me also where it sad Adam was an eternal being, I do not read that
in
my
Bible.
What are you rambling about?
Remember the tree of Life was also in the garden Adam could have ate of
it
also, Then he would have lived forever.
Adam had God's permission to eat every tree but the tree of knowledge
of
good
and evil. God gave him a choice.... Choose this day who you will serve.
If you find fault in someone teaching or you can't find Scripture to
back
up
that teaching, then you better leave it alone.
Of course I find fault in anyone teaching heresy!
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Seek ye the Lord while he may be found (Is 55:6)
Blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles
be come in (Rom 11:25)
Why then say the scribes that ELYH (Elijah) must first come? (Matt 17:10)
I will send you El YH (LORD God) the prophet before the coming of the great
and dreadful day of the Lord (Mal 4:5)
Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his
servants the prophets (Amos 3:7)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
.
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| User: "oldwetdog" |
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| Title: Re: Time Context |
17 Mar 2006 06:29:51 PM |
|
|
wrote:
"oldwetdog" <oldwetdog@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:121jn3v6198q82c@corp.supernews.com...
wrote:
"One In Christ" <rbwnn@try.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C03EC52B00024F6EF0386550@news-server.woh.rr.com...
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:34:05 -0500, wrote
(in article <N05Sf.47736$F_3.33274@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>):
"One In Christ" <rbwnn@try.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C03D911D000A4FA0F0386550@news-server.woh.rr.com...
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:28:47 -0500, wrote
(in article <julRf.59701$dW3.49323@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>):
"Pastor Dave" <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ch2b12hg81025oo3k686t5p9m2kj8d99tr@4ax.com...
Hi,
The Bible states many, many time contexts
for the last days.
We need to understand first, however, that
the "last days" did not equal, "the end of time"
and I will prove that further down in this
message.
Satan, you're a confused liar. If the Author wern't refering to the
last
days, they wouldn't be the last days.
Since you still can't remember, the prophecy of the seventh
millennial
day
(Heb 4, 2Pet 3) also prophesied the first six millemnnial days. You
see,
Bubba, there ain't no seventh if there ain't a first, a second, a
third,
afourth, a fifth, and a sixth: A week of millennial days.
The first day is the day that Adam fell and died at the age of 930
years:
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not
eat
of it:
for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Gen
2:17).
The last days are the time of the Messiah from His coming when and
how
prophesied (Dan 9:25, Zech 9:9): "And it shall come to pass in the
last
days,
that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the
top
of
the
mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations
shall
flow
unto it" (Is 2:2). It was after His first coming that the nations
[goyim:
uncircumcised] began coming into the kingdom. And it is in the
millennium
that it is exalted above the hills. The last days are the last three
days of
the millennial week.
And the very last day is the day of the Lord, the last 1000 years of
the
world, the old corrupted earth (2 Pet 3:10, Rev. 20:4-5). Forth the
church it
is the day of His rest (Heb 4), and for the enemy-of-the-gospel
elect
(Rom
11:28), who receive Him when He returns (Zech 12:10), it is the day
of
His
wrath (Is 13:9-13).
<SNIP>
.
If one day is a thousand years then show me where God changed 1000
year
day
to 24 hr. days?
The day's in Gen. are the same time frame we have to day 24 hr.
ROTFL!!!!!!
If you can show me any where in history, a thousand year day then do
it.
How many times do I have to show it to you?
Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not
eat of
it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Adam was 930 yeares old when He died.
So now you have demonstrated that not only do you make
assumptions, but you leap to wrong conclusions!!
Genesis 5:5
And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and
he died.
You can quote the scripture accurately-- it is what you do with
it after you quote it that makes you an heretick
Tit 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second
admonition reject;
owd
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| User: "" |
|
| Title: Re: Time Context |
18 Mar 2006 01:11:02 PM |
|
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"oldwetdog" <oldwetdog@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:121ml41q8fnqde@corp.supernews.com...
wrote:
"oldwetdog" <oldwetdog@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:121jn3v6198q82c@corp.supernews.com...
wrote:
"One In Christ" <rbwnn@try.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C03EC52B00024F6EF0386550@news-server.woh.rr.com...
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:34:05 -0500, wrote
(in article <N05Sf.47736$F_3.33274@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>):
"One In Christ" <rbwnn@try.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C03D911D000A4FA0F0386550@news-server.woh.rr.com...
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:28:47 -0500, wrote
(in article <julRf.59701$dW3.49323@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>):
"Pastor Dave" <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ch2b12hg81025oo3k686t5p9m2kj8d99tr@4ax.com...
Hi,
The Bible states many, many time contexts
for the last days.
We need to understand first, however, that
the "last days" did not equal, "the end of time"
and I will prove that further down in this
message.
Satan, you're a confused liar. If the Author wern't refering to
the
last
days, they wouldn't be the last days.
Since you still can't remember, the prophecy of the seventh
millennial
day
(Heb 4, 2Pet 3) also prophesied the first six millemnnial days.
You
see,
Bubba, there ain't no seventh if there ain't a first, a second, a
third,
afourth, a fifth, and a sixth: A week of millennial days.
The first day is the day that Adam fell and died at the age of 930
years:
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not
eat
of it:
for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die"
(Gen
2:17).
The last days are the time of the Messiah from His coming when and
how
prophesied (Dan 9:25, Zech 9:9): "And it shall come to pass in the
last
days,
that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the
top
of
the
mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations
shall
flow
unto it" (Is 2:2). It was after His first coming that the nations
[goyim:
uncircumcised] began coming into the kingdom. And it is in the
millennium
that it is exalted above the hills. The last days are the last
three
days of
the millennial week.
And the very last day is the day of the Lord, the last 1000 years
of
the
world, the old corrupted earth (2 Pet 3:10, Rev. 20:4-5). Forth
the
church it
is the day of His rest (Heb 4), and for the enemy-of-the-gospel
elect
(Rom
11:28), who receive Him when He returns (Zech 12:10), it is the
day
of
His
wrath (Is 13:9-13).
<SNIP>
.
If one day is a thousand years then show me where God changed 1000
year
day
to 24 hr. days?
The day's in Gen. are the same time frame we have to day 24 hr.
ROTFL!!!!!!
If you can show me any where in history, a thousand year day then do
it.
How many times do I have to show it to you?
Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not
eat of
it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Adam was 930 yeares old when He died.
So now you have demonstrated that not only do you make
assumptions, but you leap to wrong conclusions!!
Genesis 5:5
And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years:
and
he died.
You can quote the scripture accurately-- it is what you do with
it after you quote it that makes you an heretick
Note that the day in which Adam died at 930 years of age was bit longer than
24 hours. In fact it is the first 1000 year day prophesied by the seventh (2
Pet 3:8,10, Heb 4:4, Rev 20:4-5)
Tit 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second
admonition reject;
owd
--
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Seek ye the Lord while he may be found (Is 55:6)
Blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles
be come in (Rom 11:25)
Why then say the scribes that ELYH (Elijah) must first come? (Matt 17:10)
I will send you El YH (LORD God) the prophet before the coming of the great
and dreadful day of the Lord (Mal 4:5)
Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his
servants the prophets (Amos 3:7)
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18 Mar 2006 04:09:35 PM |
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On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:11:02 -0500, wrote
(in article <aXYSf.54888$H71.40516@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>):
"oldwetdog" <oldwetdog@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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wrote:
"oldwetdog" <oldwetdog@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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wrote:
"One In Christ" <rbwnn@try.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:34:05 -0500, wrote
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"One In Christ" <rbwnn@try.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:28:47 -0500, wrote
(in article <julRf.59701$dW3.49323@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>):
"Pastor Dave" <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ch2b12hg81025oo3k686t5p9m2kj8d99tr@4ax.com...
Hi,
The Bible states many, many time contexts
for the last days.
We need to understand first, however, that
the "last days" did not equal, "the end of time"
and I will prove that further down in this
message.
Satan, you're a confused liar. If the Author wern't refering to
the
last
days, they wouldn't be the last days.
Since you still can't remember, the prophecy of the seventh
millennial
day
(Heb 4, 2Pet 3) also prophesied the first six millemnnial days.
You
see,
Bubba, there ain't no seventh if there ain't a first, a second, a
third,
afourth, a fifth, and a sixth: A week of millennial days.
The first day is the day that Adam fell and died at the age of 930
years:
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not
eat
of it:
for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die"
(Gen
2:17).
The last days are the time of the Messiah from His coming when and
how
prophesied (Dan 9:25, Zech 9:9): "And it shall come to pass in the
last
days,
that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the
top
of
the
mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations
shall
flow
unto it" (Is 2:2). It was after His first coming that the nations
[goyim:
uncircumcised] began coming into the kingdom. And it is in the
millennium
that it is exalted above the hills. The last days are the last
three
days of
the millennial week.
And the very last day is the day of the Lord, the last 1000 years
of
the
world, the old corrupted earth (2 Pet 3:10, Rev. 20:4-5). Forth
the
church it
is the day of His rest (Heb 4), and for the enemy-of-the-gospel
elect
(Rom
11:28), who receive Him when He returns (Zech 12:10), it is the
day
of
His
wrath (Is 13:9-13).
<SNIP>
.
If one day is a thousand years then show me where God changed 1000
year
day
to 24 hr. days?
The day's in Gen. are the same time frame we have to day 24 hr.
ROTFL!!!!!!
If you can show me any where in history, a thousand year day then do
it.
How many times do I have to show it to you?
Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not
eat of
it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Adam was 930 yeares old when He died.
So now you have demonstrated that not only do you make
assumptions, but you leap to wrong conclusions!!
Genesis 5:5
And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years:
and
he died.
You can quote the scripture accurately-- it is what you do with
it after you quote it that makes you an heretick
Note that the day in which Adam died at 930 years of age was bit longer than
24 hours. In fact it is the first 1000 year day prophesied by the seventh (2
Pet 3:8,10, Heb 4:4, Rev 20:4-5)
930 years is not a millennium it's 70 years short 930 years does not = 1000
years The oldest man the the Bible was 969 years old that is short also.
.
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19 Mar 2006 05:26:52 AM |
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"One In Christ" <rbwnn@try.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:11:02 -0500, wrote
(in article <aXYSf.54888$H71.40516@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>):
"oldwetdog" <oldwetdog@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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wrote:
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wrote:
"One In Christ" <rbwnn@try.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:34:05 -0500, wrote
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"One In Christ" <rbwnn@try.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:28:47 -0500, wrote
(in article <julRf.59701$dW3.49323@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>):
"Pastor Dave" <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ch2b12hg81025oo3k686t5p9m2kj8d99tr@4ax.com...
Hi,
The Bible states many, many time contexts
for the last days.
We need to understand first, however, that
the "last days" did not equal, "the end of time"
and I will prove that further down in this
message.
Satan, you're a confused liar. If the Author wern't refering to
the
last
days, they wouldn't be the last days.
Since you still can't remember, the prophecy of the seventh
millennial
day
(Heb 4, 2Pet 3) also prophesied the first six millemnnial days.
You
see,
Bubba, there ain't no seventh if there ain't a first, a second,
a
third,
afourth, a fifth, and a sixth: A week of millennial days.
The first day is the day that Adam fell and died at the age of
930
years:
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt
not
eat
of it:
for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die"
(Gen
2:17).
The last days are the time of the Messiah from His coming when
and
how
prophesied (Dan 9:25, Zech 9:9): "And it shall come to pass in
the
last
days,
that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in
the
top
of
the
mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations
shall
flow
unto it" (Is 2:2). It was after His first coming that the
nations
[goyim:
uncircumcised] began coming into the kingdom. And it is in the
millennium
that it is exalted above the hills. The last days are the last
three
days of
the millennial week.
And the very last day is the day of the Lord, the last 1000
years
of
the
world, the old corrupted earth (2 Pet 3:10, Rev. 20:4-5). Forth
the
church it
is the day of His rest (Heb 4), and for the enemy-of-the-gospel
elect
(Rom
11:28), who receive Him when He returns (Zech 12:10), it is the
day
of
His
wrath (Is 13:9-13).
<SNIP>
.
If one day is a thousand years then show me where God changed
1000
year
day
to 24 hr. days?
The day's in Gen. are the same time frame we have to day 24 hr.
ROTFL!!!!!!
If you can show me any where in history, a thousand year day then
do
it.
How many times do I have to show it to you?
Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not
eat of
it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Adam was 930 yeares old when He died.
So now you have demonstrated that not only do you make
assumptions, but you leap to wrong conclusions!!
Genesis 5:5
And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years:
and
he died.
You can quote the scripture accurately-- it is what you do with
it after you quote it that makes you an heretick
Note that the day in which Adam died at 930 years of age was bit longer
than
24 hours. In fact it is the first 1000 year day prophesied by the
seventh (2
Pet 3:8,10, Heb 4:4, Rev 20:4-5)
930 years is not a millennium it's 70 years short 930 years does not =
1000
years The oldest man the the Bible was 969 years old that is short also.
True. That the day includes 930 years reveals that it isn't a 24 hour day
and at least 930 years. What tells us that it is a 1000 year day is the
seventh 1000 year day (Heb4:4, 2 Pet 3:10, Rev 20:4), which also prophesies
the first six to make the seventh, seventh.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Seek ye the Lord while he may be found (Is 55:6)
Blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles
be come in (Rom 11:25)
Why then say the scribes that ELYH (Elijah) must first come? (Matt 17:10)
I will send you El YH (LORD God) the prophet before the coming of the great
and dreadful day of the Lord (Mal 4:5)
Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his
servants the prophets (Amos 3:7)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
.
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| User: "One In Christ" |
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| Title: Re: Time Context |
19 Mar 2006 11:32:36 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 06:26:52 -0500, wrote
(in article <0ebTf.48439$F_3.21846@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>):
"One In Christ" <rbwnn@try.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:11:02 -0500, wrote
(in article <aXYSf.54888$H71.40516@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>):
"oldwetdog" <oldwetdog@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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wrote:
"oldwetdog" <oldwetdog@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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wrote:
"One In Christ" <rbwnn@try.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:34:05 -0500, wrote
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"One In Christ" <rbwnn@try.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:28:47 -0500, wrote
(in article <julRf.59701$dW3.49323@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>):
"Pastor Dave" <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ch2b12hg81025oo3k686t5p9m2kj8d99tr@4ax.com...
Hi,
The Bible states many, many time contexts
for the last days.
We need to understand first, however, that
the "last days" did not equal, "the end of time"
and I will prove that further down in this
message.
Satan, you're a confused liar. If the Author wern't refering to
the
last
days, they wouldn't be the last days.
Since you still can't remember, the prophecy of the seventh
millennial
day
(Heb 4, 2Pet 3) also prophesied the first six millemnnial days.
You
see,
Bubba, there ain't no seventh if there ain't a first, a second,
a
third,
afourth, a fifth, and a sixth: A week of millennial days.
The first day is the day that Adam fell and died at the age of
930
years:
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt
not
eat
of it:
for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die"
(Gen
2:17).
The last days are the time of the Messiah from His coming when
and
how
prophesied (Dan 9:25, Zech 9:9): "And it shall come to pass in
the
last
days,
that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in
the
top
of
the
mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations
shall
flow
unto it" (Is 2:2). It was after His first coming that the
nations
[goyim:
uncircumcised] began coming into the kingdom. And it is in the
millennium
that it is exalted above the hills. The last days are the last
three
days of
the millennial week.
And the very last day is the day of the Lord, the last 1000
years
of
the
world, the old corrupted earth (2 Pet 3:10, Rev. 20:4-5). Forth
the
church it
is the day of His rest (Heb 4), and for the enemy-of-the-gospel
elect
(Rom
11:28), who receive Him when He returns (Zech 12:10), it is the
day
of
His
wrath (Is 13:9-13).
<SNIP>
.
If one day is a thousand years then show me where God changed
1000
year
day
to 24 hr. days?
The day's in Gen. are the same time frame we have to day 24 hr.
ROTFL!!!!!!
If you can show me any where in history, a thousand year day then
do
it.
How many times do I have to show it to you?
Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not
eat of
it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Adam was 930 yeares old when He died.
So now you have demonstrated that not only do you make
assumptions, but you leap to wrong conclusions!!
Genesis 5:5
And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years:
and
he died.
You can quote the scripture accurately-- it is what you do with
it after you quote it that makes you an heretick
Note that the day in which Adam died at 930 years of age was bit longer
than
24 hours. In fact it is the first 1000 year day prophesied by the
seventh (2
Pet 3:8,10, Heb 4:4, Rev 20:4-5)
930 years is not a millennium it's 70 years short 930 years does not =
1000
years The oldest man the the Bible was 969 years old that is short also.
True. That the day includes 930 years reveals that it isn't a 24 hour day
and at least 930 years. What tells us that it is a 1000 year day is the
seventh 1000 year day (Heb4:4, 2 Pet 3:10, Rev 20:4), which also prophesies
the first six to make the seventh, seventh.
930 years is not a millennium, it was 24 hr. day's
.
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17 Mar 2006 08:11:06 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:45:34 -0500, oldwetdog wrote
(in article <121jn3v6198q82c@corp.supernews.com>):
wrote:
"One In Christ" <rbwnn@try.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C03EC52B00024F6EF0386550@news-server.woh.rr.com...
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:34:05 -0500, wrote
(in article <N05Sf.47736$F_3.33274@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>):
"One In Christ" <rbwnn@try.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C03D911D000A4FA0F0386550@news-server.woh.rr.com...
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:28:47 -0500, wrote
(in article <julRf.59701$dW3.49323@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>):
"Pastor Dave" <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ch2b12hg81025oo3k686t5p9m2kj8d99tr@4ax.com...
Hi,
The Bible states many, many time contexts
for the last days.
We need to understand first, however, that
the "last days" did not equal, "the end of time"
and I will prove that further down in this
message.
Satan, you're a confused liar. If the Author wern't refering to the
last
days, they wouldn't be the last days.
Since you still can't remember, the prophecy of the seventh millennial
day
(Heb 4, 2Pet 3) also prophesied the first six millemnnial days. You
see,
Bubba, there ain't no seventh if there ain't a first, a second, a
third,
afourth, a fifth, and a sixth: A week of millennial days.
The first day is the day that Adam fell and died at the age of 930
years:
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat
of it:
for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Gen
2:17).
The last days are the time of the Messiah from His coming when and how
prophesied (Dan 9:25, Zech 9:9): "And it shall come to pass in the
last
days,
that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top
of
the
mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall
flow
unto it" (Is 2:2). It was after His first coming that the nations
[goyim:
uncircumcised] began coming into the kingdom. And it is in the
millennium
that it is exalted above the hills. The last days are the last three
days of
the millennial week.
And the very last day is the day of the Lord, the last 1000 years of
the
world, the old corrupted earth (2 Pet 3:10, Rev. 20:4-5). Forth the
church it
is the day of His rest (Heb 4), and for the enemy-of-the-gospel elect
(Rom
11:28), who receive Him when He returns (Zech 12:10), it is the day of
His
wrath (Is 13:9-13).
<SNIP>
.
If one day is a thousand years then show me where God changed 1000 year
day
to 24 hr. days?
The day's in Gen. are the same time frame we have to day 24 hr.
ROTFL!!!!!!
If you can show me any where in history, a thousand year day then do it.
How many times do I have to show it to you?
Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of
it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Adam was 930 yeares old when He died.
So now you have demonstrated that not only do you make
assumptions, but you leap to wrong conclusions!!
You can not, You can't even show me in the Bible it's not in there.
So I would throw away the book's you found all that false teaching and use
the Bible, God's Word it will stand. Some other man's teaching will not.
Show me also where it sad Adam was an eternal being, I do not read that in
my
Bible.
What are you rambling about?
Remember the tree of Life was also in the garden Adam could have ate of it
also, Then he would have lived forever.
Adam had God's permission to eat every tree but the tree of knowledge of
good
and evil. God gave him a choice.... Choose this day who you will serve.
If you find fault in someone teaching or you can't find Scripture to back
up
that teaching, then you better leave it alone.
Of course I find fault in anyone teaching heresy!
I do not teach heresy
If Adam would have eaten of the tree of life, and not the tree of knowledge
of good and evil then he would have lived forever.
Why did God put the tree of life in the garden?
Genesis 2:8
The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom
He had formed.
Genesis 2:9
And out of the ground the Lord God made every tree grow that is pleasant to
the sight and good for food. (The tree of life was also in the midst of the
garden,) and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
He put there for a reason.
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17 Mar 2006 11:13:26 AM |
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"One In Christ" <rbwnn@try.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:45:34 -0500, oldwetdog wrote
(in article <121jn3v6198q82c@corp.supernews.com>):
wrote:
"One In Christ" <rbwnn@try.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C03EC52B00024F6EF0386550@news-server.woh.rr.com...
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:34:05 -0500, wrote
(in article <N05Sf.47736$F_3.33274@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>):
"One In Christ" <rbwnn@try.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C03D911D000A4FA0F0386550@news-server.woh.rr.com...
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:28:47 -0500, wrote
(in article <julRf.59701$dW3.49323@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>):
"Pastor Dave" <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ch2b12hg81025oo3k686t5p9m2kj8d99tr@4ax.com...
Hi,
The Bible states many, many time contexts
for the last days.
We need to understand first, however, that
the "last days" did not equal, "the end of time"
and I will prove that further down in this
message.
Satan, you're a confused liar. If the Author wern't refering to the
last
days, they wouldn't be the last days.
Since you still can't remember, the prophecy of the seventh
millennial
day
(Heb 4, 2Pet 3) also prophesied the first six millemnnial days. You
see,
Bubba, there ain't no seventh if there ain't a first, a second, a
third,
afourth, a fifth, and a sixth: A week of millennial days.
The first day is the day that Adam fell and died at the age of 930
years:
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not
eat
of it:
for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Gen
2:17).
The last days are the time of the Messiah from His coming when and
how
prophesied (Dan 9:25, Zech 9:9): "And it shall come to pass in the
last
days,
that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the
top
of
the
mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations
shall
flow
unto it" (Is 2:2). It was after His first coming that the nations
[goyim:
uncircumcised] began coming into the kingdom. And it is in the
millennium
that it is exalted above the hills. The last days are the last
three
days of
the millennial week.
And the very last day is the day of the Lord, the last 1000 years
of
the
world, the old corrupted earth (2 Pet 3:10, Rev. 20:4-5). Forth the
church it
is the day of His rest (Heb 4), and for the enemy-of-the-gospel
elect
(Rom
11:28), who receive Him when He returns (Zech 12:10), it is the day
of
His
wrath (Is 13:9-13).
<SNIP>
.
If one day is a thousand years then show me where God changed 1000
year
day
to 24 hr. days?
The day's in Gen. are the same time frame we have to day 24 hr.
ROTFL!!!!!!
If you can show me any where in history, a thousand year day then do
it.
How many times do I have to show it to you?
Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat
of
it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Adam was 930 yeares old when He died.
So now you have demonstrated that not only do you make
assumptions, but you leap to wrong conclusions!!
You can not, You can't even show me in the Bible it's not in there.
I keep showing it to you, but you cannot see it in the dark. Here it is
again for the folks who are not in the dark:
The day in Gen 2:17 is the DAY in which Adam died at the age of 930 years:
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of
it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Gen
2:17).
Adam fell in the first 1000-year day. The other day previously shown in the
thread are the 1000-year day of the Lord which is the seventh and which also
prophesies the prior six. Folks in the light understand cardinal numeration
and see that for there to be a seventh there must a first, a second, a
third, a fourth, a fifth, a sixth.
So I would throw away the book's you found all that false teaching and
use
the Bible, God's Word it will stand. Some other man's teaching will
not.
Show me also where it sad Adam was an eternal being, I do not read
that in
my
Bible.
What are you rambling about?
Remember the tree of Life was also in the garden Adam could have ate
of it
also, Then he would have lived forever.
Adam had God's permission to eat every tree but the tree of knowledge
of
good
and evil. God gave him a choice....Choose this day who you will serve.
As I said earlier, what are you rambling about. I've read those verses too,
and said nothing different.
If you find fault in someone teaching or you can't find Scripture to
back
up
that teaching, then you better leave it alone.
Of course I find fault in anyone teaching heresy!
I do not teach heresy
If Adam would have eaten of the tree of life, and not the tree of
knowledge
of good and evil then he would have lived forever.
That's true. That's not the heresy. The heresy was in saying the day I
showed you was not a millennial day. You did not say simp | | | | | | | | |
