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User: ""
Date: 05 Jun 2007 05:55:25 PM
Object: To: Bible Bob. . .what is YOUR understanding of "becoming a Christian?"
I have read many of your posts, wasted much time responding to some,
but so far cannot get you to tell us:
What group you identify yourself with (one that we can SEE, if any
such group exists).
What YOU believe is necessary for a person to come to God.
What YOU believe is going to happen when we die.
What YOU believe about the nature of God (Trinity and oneness are
clearly out from what you have written), SO WHAT DO YOU THINK GOD IS?
Do you have the guts, the honesty to come forth with these details, or
will you merely remain a self-ascribed cynic with nothing real to
support you.
OH YES, and YOU HAVE SAID YOU DON"T OFFER OPINIONS; you supply
SCRIPTURE to support your stands (though you rarely do, in fact), so
SHOW US THE SCRIPTURES THAT SUPPORT YOUR POSITIONS IN THESE MATTERS if
you can.
in Christ Jesus,
Checker
.

User: "john w"

Title: Re: John Weatherly. . .what is YOUR understanding of the words, "NO John, you can't have a gun.." ? 08 Jun 2007 11:34:43 PM
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On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 19:01:47 GMT, "Rod" <kc0oeb@att.net> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
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"john w @yahoo.com>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
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On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 08:40:10 -0500, "Rod" <kc0oeb@att.net> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.


<checker@flapper.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 16:40:00 -0400, "Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote:


<checker@flapper.com> wrote in message
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Why don't you try that tactic with ME? All you do with ME is falsely
claim things you cannot support with scripture, TWIST the Word of God
(like trying to claim that the WORD in John 1:1 wasn't Jesus, even
though the WORD from John 1:1 is described in verse 14 (too far away
for you to remember?) says that this WORD became flesh and dwelt among
us and we beheld His beauty and Grace, a PERFECT description of JESUS
CHRIST. Of course you cannot make the WORD become John, or Fred, or
Joe.


Checker, you are discovering, as I have, that Bible Bob is a dishonest
heretic who starts off politely enough but denigrates into typical
desperation tactics like other heretics are wont to do. You are also
finding
that Bible Bob teaches false doctrine although he arrogantly proclaims
to
have vast superior Biblical knowledge than you and I and others (like
Charles Stanley, Rob Bowman, Charles Ryrie and numerous other men of God
who
honestly know more about scriptural matters and understand more than Bob
does).


I decided yesterday to *plonk* him and I did. I will waste no more
time on the guy. He isn't worth it. He is no more interested in
truth than interested in watching grass grow. So I no longer receive
his posts.


This is such a typical response, sticl your head in the sand for fear
that
you might actually learn something......


!!!!

You do it!


Rejecting your excuses for violent behavior is not the same thing
as sticking my head in the sand,

What "violent behavior?"
You consider a few harsh words (well deserved, I might add) in here
"violent behavior?"
I suggest before you become any more hysterical, before you libel me
any worse than you have,
that you do a national search in the police database. Search
Washington state to see if you find any indication WHATSOEVER that I
have ever committed-- or been charged with-- a violent crime.
"Good luck with that."
or sticking it in your rectum as
???
pot kettle!
Your anger /rage are truly ugly things!

you seem to be doing so easily. You MUST have had practice !

The problem with you Weatherly is that : 1. you've got homicidal
urges,

???????
And so well spoken! Instead of, "you have homicidal urges..." you
stumble through "you've got..."
What homicidal urges would those be?

2. you're a fricking nutcase as your opinions bear out.

Not a provable statement.
I could as easily (and more accurately) state that YOU are a
freakin' nutcase!
Any responsible

person
wouldn't trust you with toothpick, let alone a gun !

Wow!
MORE rhetoric! with ZERO substantiation!

And 3, you've been

blowing
smoke up your butt

???
for so long that you're unable to tell the difference

between the
truth and your own sorry lies !

"Lies?" What "lies?"



You decided some time ago that anyone who was for Gun
Rights was whacko, and not a Christian! (and you aren't a Christian!)


Not everyone owning a gun is nuts, but at the same time...not everyone
behind
a gun is sane.

Absolutely true. However, merely the fact that you've done a real
TWIST in your brain (what's left of it), and you've become
foaming-at-the-mouth MAD (insane) with me about ??????? is not PROOF
of any of your libelous statements.
I explicitly remember referring to people that are callous

and show
some indifference towards the value of life.

And when you call people "that" rather than "who"
"referring to people that..."
You show a calloused indifference to life.
I say this with people like you

and
Carl in mind..........

I still can't figure out what your ***** is!
1. you don't like me (big deal)
2. anyone YOU don't like must be a lunatic.
Get a life!



The fur flew, and you've made some VERY UGLY (actionable) remarks
since then!


And it bothers you ! So what ??? Do you think I care ???

You do have a therapist, right ? That is, "if" you haven't threatened to
kill her
as well ??

???
I "threatened to kill WHO exactly?" Other than one person who
deserved it. One person who OPENLY threatened to mess with my family.
Assuming that your therapist has fallen victim to you as well,

what

Oh, do get your panties out of a bunch!
john w

makes you think that everyone needs to treat you special ??


Rod

.
User: "RedFox"

Title: Re: John Weatherly. . .what is YOUR understanding of the words, "NO John, you can't have a gun.." ? 14 Jun 2007 11:11:17 PM
In article <vuak63pqefd5p26hre6spco8ak913t85hi@4ax.com>, john w
<johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:


I suggest before you become any more hysterical, before you libel me
any worse than you have,
that you do a national search in the police database. Search
Washington state to see if you find any indication WHATSOEVER that I
have ever committed-- or been charged with-- a violent crime.

The underlying rationale for you not being allowed a gun was apprehended
violence arising from a domestic situation
Just bear in mind that with your mental illness record if you are caught
with one it may mean your being certified and incarceration in a mental
institution possibly permanently. That would be the easiest course of
action for a Court and there are truckloads of Newsgroup evidence as to
the suitability of such a sentence
Do yourself a really big favour John
Forget about ever owning or possessing firearms
Like it or not your days for that are over and this has been done largely
to protect you from yourself
What kind of real Christian needs a gun in a democratic society anyway?
.

User: ""

Title: Re: John Weatherly. . .what is YOUR understanding of the words, "NO John, you can't have a gun.." ? 09 Jun 2007 11:37:52 AM
On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 21:34:43 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:


What "violent behavior?"
You consider a few harsh words (well deserved, I might add) in here
"violent behavior?"

You have ADMITTED to violent behavior, such as kicking that innocent
man in the kidneys. Only a COWARD kicks someone in the back.
You have also expressed your desire to 'beat the S---' out of others,
'punch their teeth out', etc. as well as shoot them.
So don't you dare sit there and query, "what violent behavior'??
Your middle name should be VIOLENCE.

I suggest before you become any more hysterical, before you libel me
any worse than you have,
that you do a national search in the police database. Search
Washington state to see if you find any indication WHATSOEVER that I
have ever committed-- or been charged with-- a violent crime.

"Good luck with that."

No luck needed, short-bus.


or sticking it in your rectum as

???

pot kettle!
Your anger /rage are truly ugly things!

you seem to be doing so easily. You MUST have had practice !

The problem with you Weatherly is that : 1. you've got homicidal
urges,


???????
And so well spoken! Instead of, "you have homicidal urges..." you
stumble through "you've got..."

What homicidal urges would those be?

"Get a life before some lucky person ends the one you have..."
"If you were my son, I would have spanked you to death years ago..."
"Suppose you open your door and find the one you've been harassing
standing with a gun aimed at your head..."
Need any more reminders, liar-johnnie?

2. you're a fricking nutcase as your opinions bear out.

Not a provable statement.
I could as easily (and more accurately) state that YOU are a
freakin' nutcase!

State it all you want, idiot. The proof is in the pudding, and you're
the sorriest case of pudding I've ever seen.

Any responsible

person
wouldn't trust you with toothpick, let alone a gun !


Wow!
MORE rhetoric! with ZERO substantiation!

PLENTY of substantiation. I agree 100 % with what Rod correctly said.


And 3, you've been

blowing
smoke up your butt


???
for so long that you're unable to tell the difference

between the
truth and your own sorry lies !


"Lies?" What "lies?

You're a NOTORIOUS liar, as Google so amply demonstrates.

You decided some time ago that anyone who was for Gun
Rights was whacko, and not a Christian! (and you aren't a Christian!)


Not everyone owning a gun is nuts, but at the same time...not everyone
behind
a gun is sane.


Absolutely true. However, merely the fact that you've done a real
TWIST in your brain (what's left of it), and you've become
foaming-at-the-mouth MAD (insane) with me about ??????? is not PROOF
of any of your libelous statements.

He made NO 'libelous' statements, freak.
You ARE whacko.

I explicitly remember referring to people that are callous

and show
some indifference towards the value of life.


And when you call people "that" rather than "who"
"referring to people that..."
You show a calloused ind

What about YOUR own calloused indifference towards your late mother?

I say this with people like you

and
Carl in mind..........


I still can't figure out what your ***** is!
1. you don't like me (big deal)

No, YOU get one, loonie. You're nuts, and should be confined, not only
for your own protection, but for SOCIETY AT LARGE, who pays for their
proper protection from mental misfits like you.

The fur flew, and you've made some VERY UGLY (actionable) remarks
since then!


And it bothers you ! So what ??? Do you think I care ???

You do have a therapist, right ? That is, "if" you haven't threatened to
kill her
as well ??


???
I "threatened to kill WHO exactly?" Other than one person who
deserved it. One person who OPENLY threatened to mess with my family.

Idiot. A THREAT of death is against the law.
And, you've threatened MORE THAN ONE with death, whacko.
No wonder so many of us are continuing to archive your insanity.
.
User: "john w"

Title: Re: John Weatherly. . .what is YOUR understanding of the words, "NO John, you can't have a gun.." ? 09 Jun 2007 09:24:51 PM
x-no-archive: yes
On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 12:37:52 -0400,
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.

On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 21:34:43 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:


What "violent behavior?"
You consider a few harsh words (well deserved, I might add) in here
"violent behavior?"

You have ADMITTED to violent behavior, such as kicking that innocent

?? Kicking what innocent person in the back?
john w

man in the kidneys. Only a COWARD kicks someone in the back.

You have also expressed your desire to 'beat the S---' out of others,
'punch their teeth out', etc. as well as shoot them.

So don't you dare sit there and query, "what violent behavior'??

Your middle name should be VIOLENCE.


I suggest before you become any more hysterical, before you libel me
any worse than you have,
that you do a national search in the police database. Search
Washington state to see if you find any indication WHATSOEVER that I
have ever committed-- or been charged with-- a violent crime.

"Good luck with that."


No luck needed, short-bus.


or sticking it in your rectum as

???

pot kettle!
Your anger /rage are truly ugly things!

you seem to be doing so easily. You MUST have had practice !

The problem with you Weatherly is that : 1. you've got homicidal
urges,


???????
And so well spoken! Instead of, "you have homicidal urges..." you
stumble through "you've got..."

What homicidal urges would those be?

"Get a life before some lucky person ends the one you have..."
"If you were my son, I would have spanked you to death years ago..."
"Suppose you open your door and find the one you've been harassing
standing with a gun aimed at your head..."

Need any more reminders, liar-johnnie?


2. you're a fricking nutcase as your opinions bear out.

Not a provable statement.
I could as easily (and more accurately) state that YOU are a
freakin' nutcase!

State it all you want, idiot. The proof is in the pudding, and you're
the sorriest case of pudding I've ever seen.

Any responsible

person
wouldn't trust you with toothpick, let alone a gun !


Wow!
MORE rhetoric! with ZERO substantiation!

PLENTY of substantiation. I agree 100 % with what Rod correctly said.


And 3, you've been

blowing
smoke up your butt


???
for so long that you're unable to tell the difference

between the
truth and your own sorry lies !


"Lies?" What "lies?

You're a NOTORIOUS liar, as Google so amply demonstrates.

You decided some time ago that anyone who was for Gun
Rights was whacko, and not a Christian! (and you aren't a Christian!)


Not everyone owning a gun is nuts, but at the same time...not everyone
behind
a gun is sane.


Absolutely true. However, merely the fact that you've done a real
TWIST in your brain (what's left of it), and you've become
foaming-at-the-mouth MAD (insane) with me about ??????? is not PROOF
of any of your libelous statements.

He made NO 'libelous' statements, freak.
You ARE whacko.

I explicitly remember referring to people that are callous

and show
some indifference towards the value of life.


And when you call people "that" rather than "who"
"referring to people that..."
You show a calloused ind


What about YOUR own calloused indifference towards your late mother?

I say this with people like you

and
Carl in mind..........


I still can't figure out what your ***** is!
1. you don't like me (big deal)

No, YOU get one, loonie. You're nuts, and should be confined, not only
for your own protection, but for SOCIETY AT LARGE, who pays for their
proper protection from mental misfits like you.

The fur flew, and you've made some VERY UGLY (actionable) remarks
since then!


And it bothers you ! So what ??? Do you think I care ???

You do have a therapist, right ? That is, "if" you haven't threatened to
kill her
as well ??


???
I "threatened to kill WHO exactly?" Other than one person who
deserved it. One person who OPENLY threatened to mess with my family.

Idiot. A THREAT of death is against the law.
And, you've threatened MORE THAN ONE with death, whacko.

No wonder so many of us are continuing to archive your insanity.

.
User: ""

Title: Re: John Weatherly. . .what is YOUR understanding of the words, "NO John, you can't have a gun.." ? 12 Jun 2007 03:12:50 PM
On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 19:24:51 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:

x-no-archive: permission FLATLY DENIED by order of liar-johnnie's Supervisor....
On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 12:37:52 -0400,

wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.

On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 21:34:43 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:


What "violent behavior?"
You consider a few harsh words (well deserved, I might add) in here
"violent behavior?"

You have ADMITTED to violent behavior, such as kicking that innocent


?? Kicking what innocent person in the back?

That innocent man who was exiting the bus.
You also laughed and claimed 'Bet he pissed red for several days
afterwards.
He should have sued you.
.




User: ""

Title: Re: Bible Bob. . .what is YOUR understanding of "becoming a Christian?" 09 Jun 2007 11:06:25 AM
On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:20:38 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:

x-no-archive: permission flatly denied, by order of the Supervisor.
You do it! You decided some time ago that anyone who was for Gun
Rights was whacko, and not a Christian! (and you aren't a Christian!)

The fur flew, and you've made some VERY UGLY (actionable) remarks
since then!

john w
Baloney, weatherless.

YOU flew into another typical childish temper tantrum, and your snout
has been out of joint ever since.
As for those 'actionable remarks' - try something.
Your idle means will get you nowhere, and that's not a threat,
short-bus --- it's a promise.
.

User: "john w"

Title: Re: Bible Bob. . .what is YOUR understanding of "becoming a Christian?" 08 Jun 2007 01:19:32 PM
x-no-archive: yes
On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 07:16:39 -0600,
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.

On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 16:40:00 -0400, "Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote:


<

> wrote in message
news:0vig639r2cu9alot1aqa4ag6b9lioch8nh@4ax.com...

Why don't you try that tactic with ME? All you do with ME is falsely
claim things you cannot support with scripture, TWIST the Word of God
(like trying to claim that the WORD in John 1:1 wasn't Jesus, even
though the WORD from John 1:1 is described in verse 14 (too far away
for you to remember?) says that this WORD became flesh and dwelt among
us and we beheld His beauty and Grace, a PERFECT description of JESUS
CHRIST. Of course you cannot make the WORD become John, or Fred, or
Joe.


Checker, you are discovering, as I have, that Bible Bob is a dishonest
heretic who starts off politely enough but denigrates into typical
desperation tactics like other heretics are wont to do. You are also finding
that Bible Bob teaches false doctrine although he arrogantly proclaims to
have vast superior Biblical knowledge than you and I and others (like
Charles Stanley, Rob Bowman, Charles Ryrie and numerous other men of God who
honestly know more about scriptural matters and understand more than Bob
does).


I decided yesterday to *plonk* him and I did. I will waste no more
time on the guy. He isn't worth it. He is no more interested in
truth than interested in watching grass grow. So I no longer receive
his posts.


Wow! Checker! If you keep it up, you may eventually plunk the
entire Christian population of the Group!
" Plonk the entire Christian Community", Here we come!
:-)
john w

You have no credence.


Feel free to attempt to correct Bob's errors but keep in mind passages like
Titus 3:10 and at some point, if he doesn't change to orthodoxy, reject him.

Oh, and incidentally, Bob's claim that heretic isn't a Biblical word...he's
either lying on purpose or woefully ignorant of the Koine Greek in Titus
3:10 where the Greek word used is hairetikón which indeed includes heretic
and those teaching heresies are indeed heretical. Thayer's Greek Lexicon
defines hairetikón as "a follower of false doctrine" but Bible Bob might
feel that his knowledge of Koine Greek is superior to Thayer's. Vine's
Greek/Hebrew Lexicon defines it as being "heretical." Furthermore, Strong's
Greek/Hebrew Dictionary also supports the definition as being "heretic." But
Bible Bob probably considers his knowledge of Koine Greek to be superior to
Vine's and Strong's. Interesting thing though is that Bible Bob has shown
errors in his claims of the Greek in the past. Some of which even first year
students taking Biblical languages don't make. So the only logical
conclusion is that his claim of superior knowledge and understanding is
moot. I honestly don't know where he has gotten his information nor do I
really care. The Bereanic conclusion is that Bible Bob denies essentials of
the Christian faith through not naive or innocent lack of knowledge and
understanding but a willful disregard for facts and truths. His use of
logical fallacies and dishonest tactics further give evidence of his
heretical nature. And although he started off politely enough, you and I are
witnessing his descent into wicked responses which are abhorant in God's
eyes. I will keep you in my prayers.


bb's claim to "superior knowledge" and "better exegesis" are based on
nothing more than his imagination. Not worth arguing against.


May God bless,
Carl


You too,
Checker

.
User: "Bible Bob"

Title: Re: Bible Bob. . .what is YOUR understanding of "becoming a Christian?" 08 Jun 2007 06:43:48 PM
On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:19:32 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:

x-no-archive: yes
On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 07:16:39 -0600,

wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.

On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 16:40:00 -0400, "Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote:


<

> wrote in message
news:0vig639r2cu9alot1aqa4ag6b9lioch8nh@4ax.com...

Why don't you try that tactic with ME? All you do with ME is falsely
claim things you cannot support with scripture, TWIST the Word of God
(like trying to claim that the WORD in John 1:1 wasn't Jesus, even
though the WORD from John 1:1 is described in verse 14 (too far away
for you to remember?) says that this WORD became flesh and dwelt among
us and we beheld His beauty and Grace, a PERFECT description of JESUS
CHRIST. Of course you cannot make the WORD become John, or Fred, or
Joe.


Checker, you are discovering, as I have, that Bible Bob is a dishonest
heretic who starts off politely enough but denigrates into typical
desperation tactics like other heretics are wont to do. You are also finding
that Bible Bob teaches false doctrine although he arrogantly proclaims to
have vast superior Biblical knowledge than you and I and others (like
Charles Stanley, Rob Bowman, Charles Ryrie and numerous other men of God who
honestly know more about scriptural matters and understand more than Bob
does).


I decided yesterday to *plonk* him and I did. I will waste no more
time on the guy. He isn't worth it. He is no more interested in
truth than interested in watching grass grow. So I no longer receive
his posts.



Wow! Checker! If you keep it up, you may eventually plunk the
entire Christian population of the Group!

" Plonk the entire Christian Community", Here we come!

:-)

john w

jw,
You used the word "warrior" in your other response. He is the kind of
warrior the enemy needs. Plonking kinda proves how mature he is in
Christ and how naive he is as an adult. If he really thought I am who
he pretends that I am then why is he trying to be ignorant of what I
am? "Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer." Then
there is the ole "Know your enemy". And if he thinks I have a pointed
tail and horns, then there is the one about not being ignorant of
Satan's devices.
But, goody goody we can talk about him behind his back and he won't
know what we are saying:)
Bob
The Guy With No KillFile



You have no credence.


Feel free to attempt to correct Bob's errors but keep in mind passages like
Titus 3:10 and at some point, if he doesn't change to orthodoxy, reject him.

Oh, and incidentally, Bob's claim that heretic isn't a Biblical word...he's
either lying on purpose or woefully ignorant of the Koine Greek in Titus
3:10 where the Greek word used is hairetikón which indeed includes heretic
and those teaching heresies are indeed heretical. Thayer's Greek Lexicon
defines hairetikón as "a follower of false doctrine" but Bible Bob might
feel that his knowledge of Koine Greek is superior to Thayer's. Vine's
Greek/Hebrew Lexicon defines it as being "heretical." Furthermore, Strong's
Greek/Hebrew Dictionary also supports the definition as being "heretic." But
Bible Bob probably considers his knowledge of Koine Greek to be superior to
Vine's and Strong's. Interesting thing though is that Bible Bob has shown
errors in his claims of the Greek in the past. Some of which even first year
students taking Biblical languages don't make. So the only logical
conclusion is that his claim of superior knowledge and understanding is
moot. I honestly don't know where he has gotten his information nor do I
really care. The Bereanic conclusion is that Bible Bob denies essentials of
the Christian faith through not naive or innocent lack of knowledge and
understanding but a willful disregard for facts and truths. His use of
logical fallacies and dishonest tactics further give evidence of his
heretical nature. And although he started off politely enough, you and I are
witnessing his descent into wicked responses which are abhorant in God's
eyes. I will keep you in my prayers.


bb's claim to "superior knowledge" and "better exegesis" are based on
nothing more than his imagination. Not worth arguing against.


May God bless,
Carl


You too,
Checker

.
User: "john w"

Title: Re: Bible Bob. . .what is YOUR understanding of "becoming a Christian?" 08 Jun 2007 11:55:28 PM
x-no-archive: yes
On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 19:43:48 -0400, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com>
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.

On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:19:32 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:

x-no-archive: yes
On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 07:16:39 -0600,

wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.

On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 16:40:00 -0400, "Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote:


<

> wrote in message
news:0vig639r2cu9alot1aqa4ag6b9lioch8nh@4ax.com...

Why don't you try that tactic with ME? All you do with ME is falsely
claim things you cannot support with scripture, TWIST the Word of God
(like trying to claim that the WORD in John 1:1 wasn't Jesus, even
though the WORD from John 1:1 is described in verse 14 (too far away
for you to remember?) says that this WORD became flesh and dwelt among
us and we beheld His beauty and Grace, a PERFECT description of JESUS
CHRIST. Of course you cannot make the WORD become John, or Fred, or
Joe.


Checker, you are discovering, as I have, that Bible Bob is a dishonest
heretic who starts off politely enough but denigrates into typical
desperation tactics like other heretics are wont to do. You are also finding
that Bible Bob teaches false doctrine although he arrogantly proclaims to
have vast superior Biblical knowledge than you and I and others (like
Charles Stanley, Rob Bowman, Charles Ryrie and numerous other men of God who
honestly know more about scriptural matters and understand more than Bob
does).


I decided yesterday to *plonk* him and I did. I will waste no more
time on the guy. He isn't worth it. He is no more interested in
truth than interested in watching grass grow. So I no longer receive
his posts.



Wow! Checker! If you keep it up, you may eventually plunk the
entire Christian population of the Group!

" Plonk the entire Christian Community", Here we come!

:-)

john w


jw,

You used the word "warrior" in your other response. He is the kind of
warrior the enemy needs. Plonking kinda proves how mature he is in
Christ and how naive he is as an adult.

And you continuing to masquerade as a Christian is not only extremely
immature, it's diabolical.
john w
If he really thought I am who

he pretends that I am then why is he trying to be ignorant of what I
am? "Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer." Then
there is the ole "Know your enemy". And if he thinks I have a pointed
tail and horns, then there is the one about not being ignorant of
Satan's devices.

But, goody goody we can talk about him behind his back and he won't
know what we are saying:)

Bob
The Guy With No KillFile



You have no credence.


Feel free to attempt to correct Bob's errors but keep in mind passages like
Titus 3:10 and at some point, if he doesn't change to orthodoxy, reject him.

Oh, and incidentally, Bob's claim that heretic isn't a Biblical word...he's
either lying on purpose or woefully ignorant of the Koine Greek in Titus
3:10 where the Greek word used is hairetikón which indeed includes heretic
and those teaching heresies are indeed heretical. Thayer's Greek Lexicon
defines hairetikón as "a follower of false doctrine" but Bible Bob might
feel that his knowledge of Koine Greek is superior to Thayer's. Vine's
Greek/Hebrew Lexicon defines it as being "heretical." Furthermore, Strong's
Greek/Hebrew Dictionary also supports the definition as being "heretic." But
Bible Bob probably considers his knowledge of Koine Greek to be superior to
Vine's and Strong's. Interesting thing though is that Bible Bob has shown
errors in his claims of the Greek in the past. Some of which even first year
students taking Biblical languages don't make. So the only logical
conclusion is that his claim of superior knowledge and understanding is
moot. I honestly don't know where he has gotten his information nor do I
really care. The Bereanic conclusion is that Bible Bob denies essentials of
the Christian faith through not naive or innocent lack of knowledge and
understanding but a willful disregard for facts and truths. His use of
logical fallacies and dishonest tactics further give evidence of his
heretical nature. And although he started off politely enough, you and I are
witnessing his descent into wicked responses which are abhorant in God's
eyes. I will keep you in my prayers.


bb's claim to "superior knowledge" and "better exegesis" are based on
nothing more than his imagination. Not worth arguing against.


May God bless,
Carl


You too,
Checker

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User: "Rod"

Title: Re: Bible Bob. . .what is YOUR understanding of "becoming a Christian?" 14 Jun 2007 01:44:39 PM
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wrote:
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On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 16:40:00 -0400, "Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote:


<

> wrote in message

Wow! Checker! If you keep it up, you may eventually plunk the
entire Christian population of the Group!

" Plonk the entire Christian Community", Here we come!

:-)

john w


jw,

You used the word "warrior" in your other response. He is the kind of
warrior the enemy needs. Plonking kinda proves how mature he is in
Christ and how naive he is as an adult.

And you continuing to masquerade as a Christian is not only extremely
immature, it's diabolical.

We all masquerade as something at one time or another. The only reason
it appears that Bob is masquerading as a Christian is because he knows
some of
the teachings are false, and would rather continue believing small lies
than know
the truth. If oneday you find that you have been beguiled by your
teachers
remember the opportunity that was presented to you earlier. Sometimes we
don't get a second chance.
Rod
.
User: "Bible Bob"

Title: Re: Bible Bob. . .what is YOUR understanding of "becoming a Christian?" 14 Jun 2007 07:19:54 PM
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wrote:

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On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 07:16:39 -0600,

wrote:
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On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 16:40:00 -0400, "Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote:


<

> wrote in message

Wow! Checker! If you keep it up, you may eventually plunk the
entire Christian population of the Group!

" Plonk the entire Christian Community", Here we come!

:-)

john w


jw,

You used the word "warrior" in your other response. He is the kind of
warrior the enemy needs. Plonking kinda proves how mature he is in
Christ and how naive he is as an adult.

And you continuing to masquerade as a Christian is not only extremely
immature, it's diabolical.


We all masquerade as something at one time or another. The only reason
it appears that Bob is masquerading as a Christian is because he knows
some of
the teachings are false, and would rather continue believing small lies
than know
the truth. If oneday you find that you have been beguiled by your
teachers
remember the opportunity that was presented to you earlier. Sometimes we
don't get a second chance.

Rod

Rod,
I'd much rather know the truth than believe small lies. Small lies
lead to big lies. Truth leads to truth and the life that Jesus Christ
came to make available.
It may appear that I am masquerading as a Christian; but I am pretty
sure that God knows and has said otherwise. Often things are not what
they appear to be because the person doing the seeing has his eyes
closed; or has two black swollen eyes, or is on drugs; or is nuts and
dillusional. In my case those guys to whom I "appear" to be
maasquerading as a Christian arfe raving dillusional maniacs possed by
legions of demons :)
Bob
.


User: ""

Title: Re: Bible Bob. . .what is YOUR understanding of "becoming a Christian?" 09 Jun 2007 11:08:07 AM
On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 21:55:28 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:


And you continuing to masquerade as a Christian is not only extremely
immature, it's diabolical.

john w

^^^^this one should talk!!!!!!!!!!!
.




User: "john w"

Title: Re: Bible Bob. . .what is YOUR understanding of "becoming a Christian?" 08 Jun 2007 01:18:12 PM
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<checker@flapper.com> wrote in message
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Why don't you try that tactic with ME? All you do with ME is falsely
claim things you cannot support with scripture, TWIST the Word of God
(like trying to claim that the WORD in John 1:1 wasn't Jesus, even
though the WORD from John 1:1 is described in verse 14 (too far away
for you to remember?) says that this WORD became flesh and dwelt among
us and we beheld His beauty and Grace, a PERFECT description of JESUS
CHRIST. Of course you cannot make the WORD become John, or Fred, or
Joe.


Checker, you are discovering, as I have, that Bible Bob is a dishonest
heretic who starts off politely enough but denigrates into typical

Not to get you into a 3-way, Carl, but do note that I had a
disagreement with "checker" a few weeks ago. Rather than trying to
stick around and resolve it, man-to-man, Christian-to-Christian, he
simply wrote me off as a weirdo.
He now "ignores me", and the times I have sent him reminders that he
has unfinished hate business with me, he doesn't respond.
I don't think checker is 1/4th the Christian warrior he claims to be.
There simply is no place in scripture for such behavior.
We are each to do our best, and we aren't to kick someone to the curb
for "not measuring up."
You and I have had words several times; we also apologized to one
another and moved on.
Checker needs some maturity, and I wouldn't get too close to him, if I
were you.
Not telling you how to live life; not issuing "directives". I'm giving
counsel where I believe it's called for.
Peace!
john w
;-)

desperation tactics like other heretics are wont to do. You are also finding
that Bible Bob teaches false doctrine although he arrogantly proclaims to
have vast superior Biblical knowledge than you and I and others (like
Charles Stanley, Rob Bowman, Charles Ryrie and numerous other men of God who
honestly know more about scriptural matters and understand more than Bob
does).


You have no credence.


Feel free to attempt to correct Bob's errors but keep in mind passages like
Titus 3:10 and at some point, if he doesn't change to orthodoxy, reject him.

Oh, and incidentally, Bob's claim that heretic isn't a Biblical word...he's
either lying on purpose or woefully ignorant of the Koine Greek in Titus
3:10 where the Greek word used is hairetikón which indeed includes heretic
and those teaching heresies are indeed heretical. Thayer's Greek Lexicon
defines hairetikón as "a follower of false doctrine" but Bible Bob might
feel that his knowledge of Koine Greek is superior to Thayer's. Vine's
Greek/Hebrew Lexicon defines it as being "heretical." Furthermore, Strong's
Greek/Hebrew Dictionary also supports the definition as being "heretic." But
Bible Bob probably considers his knowledge of Koine Greek to be superior to
Vine's and Strong's. Interesting thing though is that Bible Bob has shown
errors in his claims of the Greek in the past. Some of which even first year
students taking Biblical languages don't make. So the only logical
conclusion is that his claim of superior knowledge and understanding is
moot. I honestly don't know where he has gotten his information nor do I
really care. The Bereanic conclusion is that Bible Bob denies essentials of
the Christian faith through not naive or innocent lack of knowledge and
understanding but a willful disregard for facts and truths. His use of
logical fallacies and dishonest tactics further give evidence of his
heretical nature. And although he started off politely enough, you and I are
witnessing his descent into wicked responses which are abhorant in God's
eyes. I will keep you in my prayers.

May God bless,
Carl
website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/

.
User: ""

Title: Re: Bible Bob. . .what is YOUR understanding of "becoming a Christian?" 09 Jun 2007 11:04:19 AM
On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:18:12 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:

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<checker@flapper.com> wrote in message
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Why don't you try that tactic with ME? All you do with ME is falsely
claim things you cannot support with scripture, TWIST the Word of God
(like trying to claim that the WORD in John 1:1 wasn't Jesus, even
though the WORD from John 1:1 is described in verse 14 (too far away
for you to remember?) says that this WORD became flesh and dwelt among
us and we beheld His beauty and Grace, a PERFECT description of JESUS
CHRIST. Of course you cannot make the WORD become John, or Fred, or
Joe.


Checker, you are discovering, as I have, that Bible Bob is a dishonest
heretic who starts off politely enough but denigrates into typical


Not to get you into a 3-way, Carl, but do note that I had a
disagreement with "checker" a few weeks ago. Rather than trying to
stick around and resolve it, man-to-man, Christian-to-Christian, he
simply wrote me off as a weirdo.

He did the right thing. You ARE a weirdo.
You lie, you misrepresent the Bible, and you make many false claims
about my Lord Jesus.

He now "ignores me", and the times I have sent him reminders that he
has unfinished hate business with me, he doesn't respond.

No wonder. You're an idiot who claims to be soooooooooooo highly
educated in the Bible, but you really know nothing about it.
This has been proven numerous times.

I don't think checker is 1/4th the Christian warrior he claims to be.

You certainly aren't.

There simply is no place in scripture for such behavior.

Right. So when do you plan to smarten up YOUR act?

We are each to do our best, and we aren't to kick someone to the curb
for "not measuring up."

You always try kicking others to the curb. What goes around COMES
AROUND, weatherless.

You and I have had words several times; we also apologized to one
another and moved on.

Sure, sure....

Checker needs some maturity, and I wouldn't get too close to him, if I
were you.

If ANYONE needs maturity, short-bus, it's YOU.
You're as childish as they come.

Not telling you how to live life; not issuing "directives". I'm giving
counsel where I believe it's called for.

Peace!

Translation:
Post to whom I SAY you can post, and never disagree with me-------
then we'll get along fine.

john w

.

User: ""

Title: Re: Bible Bob. . .what is YOUR understanding of "becoming a Christian?" 11 Jun 2007 07:41:19 PM
On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:18:12 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:

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<checker@flapper.com> wrote in message
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Why don't you try that tactic with ME? All you do with ME is falsely
claim things you cannot support with scripture, TWIST the Word of God
(like trying to claim that the WORD in John 1:1 wasn't Jesus, even
though the WORD from John 1:1 is described in verse 14 (too far away
for you to remember?) says that this WORD became flesh and dwelt among
us and we beheld His beauty and Grace, a PERFECT description of JESUS
CHRIST. Of course you cannot make the WORD become John, or Fred, or
Joe.


Checker, you are discovering, as I have, that Bible Bob is a dishonest
heretic who starts off politely enough but denigrates into typical


Not to get you into a 3-way, Carl, but do note that I had a
disagreement with "checker" a few weeks ago. Rather than trying to
stick around and resolve it, man-to-man, Christian-to-Christian, he
simply wrote me off as a weirdo.

He now "ignores me", and the times I have sent him reminders that he
has unfinished hate business with me, he doesn't respond.

Since I have no "hate business" with ANYONE, not even you, of course I
don't respond. I had *plonked* you, but when I installed some
software today it made my killfile go away and you came back. I will
respond to you as long as you stay on your medications and are not
nasty. If you get nasty and mean again, I will *plonk* you again.


I don't think checker is 1/4th the Christian warrior he claims to be.

I have never claimed to be a Christian "warrior" at all. Just a
Christian, saved by the Grace of God.


There simply is no place in scripture for such behavior.

LOL!


We are each to do our best, and we aren't to kick someone to the curb
for "not measuring up."

I've never done that, to you or anyone else. I HAVE however *plonked*
you to my killfile. There is no reason for me to post with you or to
interact with you in any way if you are going to behave irrationally.
I tried to make allowances because you did say you had mental
problems, but when you lied and slandered, I decided not to interact
with you any longer. Now that you have "come back," we'll see how you
do. If you are irrational, lie or slander me, you will once again get
"plonked.*


You and I have had words several times; we also apologized to one
another and moved on.

You and I did that too john, remember?


Checker needs some maturity, and I wouldn't get too close to him, if I
were you.

I am not the one who is admittedly mentally unstable; that would be
YOU.


Not telling you how to live life; not issuing "directives". I'm giving
counsel where I believe it's called for.

I have never told you how to live life either john, and have NEVER
ONCE "issued directives" to you. Your counsel is not true.


Peace!

john w
;-)

<snipped> the rest of Carl's comments as not relevant to the
interchange between John w and myself.
in Christ Jesus,
Checker
.
User: "Bible Bob"

Title: Re: Bible Bob. . .what is YOUR understanding of "becoming a Christian?" 11 Jun 2007 08:59:39 PM
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:41:19 -0600,
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:18:12 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:

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<

> wrote in message
news:0vig639r2cu9alot1aqa4ag6b9lioch8nh@4ax.com...

Why don't you try that tactic with ME? All you do with ME is falsely
claim things you cannot support with scripture, TWIST the Word of God
(like trying to claim that the WORD in John 1:1 wasn't Jesus, even
though the WORD from John 1:1 is described in verse 14 (too far away
for you to remember?) says that this WORD became flesh and dwelt among
us and we beheld His beauty and Grace, a PERFECT description of JESUS
CHRIST. Of course you cannot make the WORD become John, or Fred, or
Joe.


Checker, you are discovering, as I have, that Bible Bob is a dishonest
heretic who starts off politely enough but denigrates into typical


Not to get you into a 3-way, Carl, but do note that I had a
disagreement with "checker" a few weeks ago. Rather than trying to
stick around and resolve it, man-to-man, Christian-to-Christian, he
simply wrote me off as a weirdo.

He now "ignores me", and the times I have sent him reminders that he
has unfinished hate business with me, he doesn't respond.


Since I have no "hate business" with ANYONE, not even you, of course I
don't respond. I had *plonked* you, but when I installed some
software today it made my killfile go away and you came back. I will
respond to you as long as you stay on your medications and are not
nasty. If you get nasty and mean again, I will *plonk* you again.

Wow! God tampered with Checker's computer and now Checker is a god
able to tell people to take their medications.
Hey, Checker, how about having God put a really good website together
for me.


I don't think checker is 1/4th the Christian warrior he claims to be.


I have never claimed to be a Christian "warrior" at all. Just a
Christian, saved by the Grace of God.


There simply is no place in scripture for such behavior.


LOL!


We are each to do our best, and we aren't to kick someone to the curb
for "not measuring up."


I've never done that, to you or anyone else. I HAVE however *plonked*
you to my killfile. There is no reason for me to post with you or to
interact with you in any way if you are going to behave irrationally.

Wow! A killer of Christians! But, killing isn't exactly kicking
someone to the curb. Kicking someone to the curb is what high class
people do to low class people; except in religious circles where the
kicker kicks he who does not obey or who does not believe his docrine
of the week.


I tried to make allowances because you did say you had mental
problems, but when you lied and slandered, I decided not to interact
with you any longer. Now that you have "come back," we'll see how you
do. If you are irrational, lie or slander me, you will once again get
"plonked.*

Good child psychology; but John knows more psychology than you - the
adult kind.


You and I have had words several times; we also apologized to one
another and moved on.


You and I did that too john, remember?


Checker needs some maturity, and I wouldn't get too close to him, if I
were you.


I am not the one who is admittedly mentally unstable; that would be
YOU.

Feel free to admit to it. We won't hold it against you (snicker,
snicker on behalf of the others in "we").


Not telling you how to live life; not issuing "directives". I'm giving
counsel where I believe it's called for.


I have never told you how to live life either john, and have NEVER
ONCE "issued directives" to you. Your counsel is not true.


Peace!

john w
;-)

<snipped> the rest of Carl's comments as not relevant to the
interchange between John w and myself.

in Christ Jesus,
Checker

.

User: "john w"

Title: Re: Bible Bob. . .what is YOUR understanding of "becoming a Christian?" 12 Jun 2007 12:13:33 AM
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wrote:

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<

> wrote in message
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Why don't you try that tactic with ME? All you do with ME is falsely
claim things you cannot support with scripture, TWIST the Word of God
(like trying to claim that the WORD in John 1:1 wasn't Jesus, even
though the WORD from John 1:1 is described in verse 14 (too far away
for you to remember?) says that this WORD became flesh and dwelt among
us and we beheld His beauty and Grace, a PERFECT description of JESUS
CHRIST. Of course you cannot make the WORD become John, or Fred, or
Joe.


Checker, you are discovering, as I have, that Bible Bob is a dishonest
heretic who starts off politely enough but denigrates into typical


Not to get you into a 3-way, Carl, but do note that I had a
disagreement with "checker" a few weeks ago. Rather than trying to
stick around and resolve it, man-to-man, Christian-to-Christian, he
simply wrote me off as a weirdo.

He now "ignores me", and the times I have sent him reminders that he
has unfinished hate business with me, he doesn't respond.


Since I have no "hate business" with ANYONE, not even you,

You may choose to call it otherwise. I am known for calling 'em as I
see 'em.
I call you an immature, uneducated, arrogant, bigoted HATER.
That is my impression, and I remain convinced.
of course I

don't respond.

Your "hate business" with me was kicking me to the curb and then
IGNORING me. Plus your version of the events that led up to you
"plonking me" was rather once-sided. Rather than you merely stating
the FACTS "we didn't see eye-to-eye, and you got tired of trying to be
nice", you chose to point a finger and disregard me as "troubled and
weird", though I don't recall the EXACT words you used. I frankly
don't even recall the reason for our original argument. I have simply
watched you be an opinionated jerk ever since.
And every time you PRETEND To be a Spiritual Giant (you aren't), I
jump in to point out that your hatred of my (my view) has caused you
to kill file me. Which would be fine if you didn't take time to gossip
about me.
I had *plonked* you, but when I installed some

software today it made my killfile go away and you came back. I will
respond to you as long as you stay on your medications and are not
nasty. If you get nasty and mean again, I will *plonk* you again.

???
I suggest you plonk me immediately, child. You simply can't handle
the truth from my perspective. And I don't need your childish
put-downs about medication.
Perhaps YOU should be on some! It might make you less JUDGMENTAL.
I wonder if you'd have plonked Jesus when He "got nasty." I suspect
you would. Paul got nasty, you would have plonked him. Peter got
nasty, so you would have plonked him, too.


I don't think checker is 1/4th the Christian warrior he claims to be.


I have never claimed to be a Christian "warrior" at all. Just a
Christian, saved by the Grace of God.

Same as me.


There simply is no place in scripture for such behavior.


LOL!


We are each to do our best, and we aren't to kick someone to the curb
for "not measuring up."


I've never done that, to you or anyone else.

That's EXACTLY what you did. You didn't even give me 3 or 4 posts to
try to find some middle ground. You just choose to call it by
different words.
It seems totally alien to you that someone would be a Christian and
have VERY different views than yours! And I can back each one up with
scripture!
I HAVE however *plonked*

you to my killfile. There is no reason for me to post with you or to
interact with you in any way if you are going to behave irrationally.

"Irrationally"? By whose standards? Have you ever heard of someone
"marching to a different drummer?"
I have much to contribute. I am presently working on half-a-dozen book
projects, all already accepted by a publisher!
So I hardly need the approval of anyone in here.


I tried to make allowances because you did say you had mental
problems, but when you lied and slandered,

I have done neither. So now YOU have lied about me, and you have
slandered me, by calling me a liar.
State the things you believe I said that were lies, and we can sort
that out now.
I decided not to interact

with you any longer.

And if you continue to accuse me of lying and of libeling, then we
will go around, only in court at some point. I take my reputation
seriously.
Now that you have "come back," we'll see how you

do. If you are irrational, lie or slander me, you will once again get
"plonked.*

As I said, plonk me now. I am not a trained monkey, and I am not DYING
for your approval.
But you better have some concrete documentation the next time you
accuse me of lying.
There are too many toad brains out there (you can include yourself if
you wish) who like to use the word "liar" for a difference of opinion.
It's a "power trip" for the weak-minded. You can include yourself in
that group as well.


You and I have had words several times; we also apologized to one
another and moved on.


You and I did that too john, remember?

I don't remember that at all. I recall trying to discuss some things
with you, a dozen of the psychotics jumped in and accused me of lying,
and you were weak-minded and uninformed enough to believe it.
I also have enough on Elaine Matthews and on Jim Agar (Lt Col USA JAG
Corps) to have his commission and half of Elaine's retirement..


Checker needs some maturity, and I wouldn't get too close to him, if I
were you.


I am not the one who is admittedly mentally unstable; that would be
YOU.

????? You sure love to toss around labels you don't understand!
That's called "libel", pal, and it's unChristian, and it's illegal.
I have never "admitted to being mentally unstable", and AGAIN, it's
arrogant and immature, and not very Christian for you to be dealing
out such low blows.
I WILL say, pal, that I am DIAGNOSED. You are not. I am in treatment;
likely, you aren't.
So that sort of puts me WAY ahead of you.
And a MATURE individual (not you, evidently) would not feel the need
to put down someone you feel is mentally BENEATH you.
When was the last time you ridiculed someone with Downe's Syndrome?
How about the last time you poked a finger and laughed at someone with
Cerebral Palsy?


Not telling you how to live life; not issuing "directives". I'm giving
counsel where I believe it's called for.


I have never told you how to live life either john,

In my honest opinion, yes you have.
And I don't need your PERMISSION to warn Carl about you!
and have NEVER

ONCE "issued directives" to you. Your counsel is not true.

And so, we're right back to, "checker is God." To disagree with
checker is to tempt death!"
I'll take my chances.


Peace!

john w
;-)

<snipped> the rest of Carl's comments as not relevant to the
interchange between John w and myself.

in Christ Jesus,
Checker

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User: ""

Title: Re: Bible Bob. . .what is YOUR understanding of "becoming a Christian?" 12 Jun 2007 02:47:47 PM
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:13:33 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:


I also have enough on Elaine Matthews and on Jim Agar (Lt Col USA JAG
Corps) to have his commission and half of Elaine's retirement..

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
.

User: ""

Title: Re: Bible Bob. . .what is YOUR understanding of "becoming a Christian?" 12 Jun 2007 02:47:06 PM
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:13:33 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:


You may choose to call it otherwise. I am known for calling 'em as I
see 'em.

No, you're not, actually.
YOU are known as liar-johnnie, and for darn good, documented reasons.
You DON'T call anything 'like it is' because you have no semblance of
normalcy.

I call you an immature, uneducated, arrogant, bigoted HATER.
That is my impression, and I remain convinced.

Call him or whoever whatever 'you' like, short-bus. It won't make it
fact.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Bible Bob. . .what is YOUR understanding of "becoming a Christian?" 13 Jun 2007 09:37:42 AM
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:47:06 -0400,
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:13:33 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:


You may choose to call it otherwise. I am known for calling 'em as I
see 'em.


No, you're not, actually.
YOU are known as liar-johnnie, and for darn good, documented reasons.

You DON'T call anything 'like it is' because you have no semblance of
normalcy.

I call you an immature, uneducated, arrogant, bigoted HATER.
That is my impression, and I remain convinced.


Call him or whoever whatever 'you' like, short-bus. It won't make it
fact.

Elaine,
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE just *plonk* him and stop this
nasty behavior towards him. You are NOT behaving in a Christ-like
manner towards him and his behavior towards you is just as evil.
And in BOTH SIDES of your constant interchanges with him, JESUS IS
SHAMED.
So PLEASE, PRETTY PLEASE WITH SUGAR CUBES ON IT, PLEASE, JUST *PLONK*
HIM, AND FORGET HIM. THAT WOULD BE THE CHRIST-LIKE THING TO DO!
in the Name of Jesus,
Checker
.


User: ""

Title: Re: Bible Bob. . .what is YOUR understanding of "becoming a Christian?" 13 Jun 2007 09:35:20 AM
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:13:33 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:

x-no-archive: yes
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:41:19 -0600,

wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.

On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:18:12 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:

x-no-archive: yes
On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 16:40:00 -0400, "Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.


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Why don't you try that tactic with ME? All you do with ME is falsely
claim things you cannot support with scripture, TWIST the Word of God
(like trying to claim that the WORD in John 1:1 wasn't Jesus, even
though the WORD from John 1:1 is described in verse 14 (too far away
for you to remember?) says that this WORD became flesh and dwelt among
us and we beheld His beauty and Grace, a PERFECT description of JESUS
CHRIST. Of course you cannot make the WORD become John, or Fred, or
Joe.


Checker, you are discovering, as I have, that Bible Bob is a dishonest
heretic who starts off politely enough but denigrates into typical


Not to get you into a 3-way, Carl, but do note that I had a
disagreement with "checker" a few weeks ago. Rather than trying to
stick around and resolve it, man-to-man, Christian-to-Christian, he
simply wrote me off as a weirdo.

He now "ignores me", and the times I have sent him reminders that he
has unfinished hate business with me, he doesn't respond.


Since I have no "hate business" with ANYONE, not even you,


You may choose to call it otherwise. I am known for calling 'em as I
see 'em.

You are BETTER known for "calling 'em" nasty names, lying about them,
and being just generally nasty and rude.

I call you an immature, uneducated, arrogant, bigoted HATER.
That is my impression, and I remain convinced.

You may call me all the names you wish, just as any little schoolboy
on the playground who has had a spat with the other kids may stand
there and call names. Your name-calling means exactly as much as that
child's does. It reflects your level of maturity.

of course I

don't respond.


Your "hate business" with me was kicking me to the curb and then
IGNORING me.

When you went into one of your rants (as you are doing here), loaded
with bile and nastiness, I *plonked* you. I will do so again if you
can't become rational and discuss things on a rational basis. There
is no reason for me to try to discuss anything with you if all you are
going to do is slander me with claims like "hate business" and the
like. It just makes no sense for me to try to conduct rational
discourse with you if you are going to spend your whole time ranting
at me, calling me names.

Plus your version of the events that led up to you
"plonking me" was rather once-sided.

See the above.

Rather than you merely stating
the FACTS "we didn't see eye-to-eye, and you got tired of trying to be
nice", you chose to point a finger and disregard me as "troubled and
weird", though I don't recall the EXACT words you used.

I never called you "troubled" OR "wierd." I said it is difficult to
post with you since you seem intent on doing nothing but ranting,
attacking me with lies and name-calling. At some point such
discussions become pointless and a waste of time. At that point, I
*plonked* you. I don't have the time to waste if we can't discuss
issues or if I must spend all the time "defending myself" against your
rants.
I'll bet you can't even tell me what the ISSUES were that we were
trying to discuss, can you?

I frankly
don't even recall the reason for our original argument. I have simply
watched you be an opinionated jerk ever since.

You are attacking me, not I you. You are calling me names, not I you.
The point at which you began to rant was the point where I suggested
nicely that the ongoing rants back and forth between you and elaine
were not God-pleasing OR reflective of Christ Jesus. I pointed out to
you that I posted a similar post to elaine. You BOTH should be
ashamed of your behaviors towards each other btw.
YOU then began to rant how I was "taking her side" which I wasn't, and
how I was a jerk, etc etc etc ad nausium.


And every time you PRETEND To be a Spiritual Giant (you aren't),

I have NEVER pretended to be a spiritual giant, and YOU KNOW IT. So
don't lie in an effort to make me look bad, john. Lying is not a
Christian behavior either.

I
jump in to point out that your hatred of my (my view) has caused you
to kill file me. Which would be fine if you didn't take time to gossip
about me.

You may "view" me any way you want, but don't try to pretend that your
imaginary "view" has anything to do with the way I REALLY feel. In
REALITY, I have no hatred towards you nor anyone else. I am at peace,
with you, with everyone else, and with God. Your imaginary "view"
doesn't change that REALITY.


I had *plonked* you, but when I installed some

software today it made my killfile go away and you came back. I will
respond to you as long as you stay on your medications and are not
nasty. If you get nasty and mean again, I will *plonk* you again.


???
I suggest you plonk me immediately, child. You simply can't handle
the truth from my perspective. And I don't need your childish
put-downs about medication.

YOU said you become irrational when you don't take your meds. I
didn't "put you down" about it; I merely asked you to take them. That
is called "encouragement." You may remind me to take the meds I take
for my arthritus and blood-pressure if you wish. I won't be offended.


Perhaps YOU should be on some! It might make you less JUDGMENTAL.

The only "judgement" I have made is that you are ranting about things
I have not done and are not reflecting a Christ-like character. We
are to judge behavior, whether it be of God or not of God


I wonder if you'd have plonked Jesus when He "got nasty." I suspect
you would. Paul got nasty, you would have plonked him. Peter got
nasty, so you would have plonked him, too.

Jesus wouldn't be "nasty" for the sake of being "nasty" as you are
doing. Jesus, Peter and Paul got nasty for valid reasons. You are
being nasty for NO valid reason. There is a difference.


I don't think checker is 1/4th the Christian warrior he claims to be.


I have never claimed to be a Christian "warrior" at all. Just a
Christian, saved by the Grace of God.


Same as me.

Except I don't make false claims about you as you did above (about me
claiming to be a "Christian warrior"). I don't lie.


There simply is no place in scripture for such behavior.


LOL!


We are each to do our best, and we aren't to kick someone to the curb
for "not measuring up."


I've never done that, to you or anyone else.


That's EXACTLY what you did. You didn't even give me 3 or 4 posts to
try to find some middle ground. You just choose to call it by
different words.

SHOW US EXACTLY WHERE I DID ANY SUCH THING. I didn't. I simply said
I was wasting my time reading your rants, and that I don't have time
to waste.
I will give you a couple more posts to "cool your jets" and stop
calling me names and ranting falsely against me.
John, NOT EVERYONE IS "AGAINST" YOU! I HAVE and AM trying to be nice
to you, to be kind to you. But when you are mean and nasty to me, it
is VERY difficult for me to be kind and nice to you. Perhaps it would
be wise of you to think about how _I_ feel in this matter instead of
thinking only of yourself.


It seems totally alien to you that someone would be a Christian and
have VERY different views than yours! And I can back each one up with
scripture!

Naah. I have LOTS of friends who are United Pentecostal, Oneness,
Catholic, and even JW, and they are still my good friends. The
Christians who disagree with me (some of the pentecostals, most of the
catholics) and I get along well.


I HAVE however *plonked*

you to my killfile. There is no reason for me to post with you or to
interact with you in any way if you are going to behave irrationally.

I took you out of the killfile today just because I hoped to give you
one last shot at treating me decently and respectfully as I do you.


"Irrationally"? By whose standards? Have you ever heard of someone
"marching to a different drummer?"

It is not rational to rant continually about being mistreated to
someone who has not mistreated you, John. That is NOT "marching to a
different drummer."


I have much to contribute. I am presently working on half-a-dozen book
projects, all already accepted by a publisher!

I'm glad.


So I hardly need the approval of anyone in here.

Nobody said you did.

I tried to make allowances because you did say you had mental
problems, but when you lied and slandered,


I have done neither. So now YOU have lied about me, and you have
slandered me, by calling me a liar.
State the things you believe I said that were lies, and we can sort
that out now.

Let's see now. You CLAIMED I hated. Since I have no such feeling of
hatred in my life, and since I have told you such, but you have
continued to CLAIM I hate, that is a LIE. You can not deny you
CLAIMED it, nor can you deny that you have REFUSED TO BE CORRECTED,
nor that you have CONTINUED TO MAKE THE FALSE CLAIM.
So you have LIED. You said I "kicked you to the curb." I did not.
You cannot show one place where I have attacked you. I have defended
myself against your lies and slanders, but you cannot find one single
place where I have initiated ANY attack towards you. That too was a
LIE by you.


I decided not to interact

with you any longer.


And if you continue to accuse me of lying and of libeling, then we
will go around, only in court at some point. I take my reputation
seriously.

Your reputation is that you rant angrilly at people, and the FIRST
place people will point is at your constant name-calling and nastiness
towards elaine. She has the same bad reputation from the same
interchange with you. You BOTH should be ashamed of that
relationship. It does not reflect God's Love at all! No forgiveness,
No love between you. Just name-calling and anger.
You REALLY need to think about that. You would do well to just
*plonk* her and not respond to her. It would be much better than the
ungodly behavior you are showing towards her.


Now that you have "come back," we'll see how you

do. If you are irrational, lie or slander me, you will once again get
"plonked.*


As I said, plonk me now. I am not a trained monkey, and I am not DYING
for your approval.

Naah, I said I will give you a few more posts to change and be nice.
No "trained donkey" or "approval" required. Just normal rational
discourse. The same thing most of the rest of us do with each other.


But you better have some concrete documentation the next time you
accuse me of lying.

I showed you above where you lied about me "hating," and about me
"kicking you to the curb" when I have done neither.


There are too many toad brains out there (you can include yourself if
you wish) who like to use the word "liar" for a difference of opinion.
It's a "power trip" for the weak-minded. You can include yourself in
that group as well.

That is more rant, John. Why do you do such unChristian things?
Jesus never called names for the sake of calling names. When you say
I did something I never did and you know I never did it, that is not
"opinion." That is "lying"


You and I have had words several times; we also apologized to one
another and moved on.


You and I did that too john, remember?


I don't remember that at all. I recall trying to discuss some things
with you, a dozen of the psychotics jumped in and accused me of lying,
and you were weak-minded and uninformed enough to believe it.

I don't know of any "psychotics" jumping in anywhere. There ARE
honest people here who (as I have) have noted that you DO lie about
us.


I also have enough on Elaine Matthews and on Jim Agar (Lt Col USA JAG
Corps) to have his commission and half of Elaine's retirement..

Your behavior towards elaine and others is not good, kind, loving,
truthful, or any of the other descriptions of CHRISTIAN behavior. You
really should stop being nasty towards them.


Checker needs some maturity, and I wouldn't get too close to him, if I
were you.


I am not the one who is admittedly mentally unstable; that would be
YOU.


????? You sure love to toss around labels you don't understand!
That's called "libel", pal, and it's unChristian, and it's illegal.

No John, it is not "libel" since libel involves UNtruths and your lack
of stability has not only been clearly shown in your posts, but you
have ADMITTED it in the past. It is not "unChristian" to respond to
your claim that I "need some maturity" when you yourself behave so
immaturely, and it is not "illegal" to correct you.
BTW, I have had some law training in my studies at the local
University, so I am not just "spouting smoke" in what I say regarding
"libel" and the law.


I have never "admitted to being mentally unstable", and AGAIN, it's
arrogant and immature, and not very Christian for you to be dealing
out such low blows.

I WILL say, pal, that I am DIAGNOSED. You are not. I am in treatment;
likely, you aren't.

That is because you have something to be DIAGNOSED for, and I do not.
I don't need to be treated for ailments I dont' have.


So that sort of puts me WAY ahead of you.

LOL!


And a MATURE individual (not you, evidently) would not feel the need
to put down someone you feel is mentally BENEATH you.

I have said NOTHING about you being "mentally beneath me." That is
silly.


When was the last time you ridiculed someone with Downe's Syndrome?
How about the last time you poked a finger and laughed at someone with
Cerebral Palsy?

I have a BUNCH of dear friends with Downe's Syndrome, and one dear
friend with Cerebral Palsey. THEY don't rant at me, falsely claiming
things about me that are not true. YOU are the one doing that.


Not telling you how to live life; not issuing "directives". I'm giving
counsel where I believe it's called for.


I have never told you how to live life either john,


In my honest opinion, yes you have.

In TRUTH and REALITY, I have not.
You seem to think that claiming things to be "your opinion" excuses
you from telling lies. It doesn't.


And I don't need your PERMISSION to warn Carl about you!

And Carl doesn't need YOUR PERMISSION to ignore your warning, which he
obviously has.
And I never said anything about you needing permission for anything.
More stuff you seem to have imagined that is not true in reality.


and have NEVER

ONCE "issued directives" to you. Your counsel is not true.


And so, we're right back to, "checker is God." To disagree with
checker is to tempt death!"

I'll take my chances.

No "checker is God" anywhere at all, john. Merely FACT. I have NEVER
ONCE "issued directeives" to you. IF YOU WANT TO CLAIM I HAVE, SHOW
US ONE SINGLE PLACE WHERE I HAVE. You cannot. Your claim is a LIE.
It never happened! And YOU KNOW IT.


Peace!

john w
;-)

In Christ Jesus,
Checker
P.S. I hope you find some peace soon! I have been at peace for
almost 33 years now, in Christ Jesus!
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User: "Bible Bob"

Title: Re: Bible Bob. . .what is YOUR understanding of "becoming a Christian?" 07 Jun 2007 06:34:49 PM
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 13:02:25 -0600,
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 23:42:06 -0400, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com>
wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 15:52:11 -0400, "Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote:


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On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 17:43:49 GMT, "Rod" <kc0oeb@att.net> wrote:


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