Religions > Bible > To: Bible Bob. . .what is YOUR understanding of "becoming a Christian?"
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05 Jun 2007 05:55:25 PM |
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To: Bible Bob. . .what is YOUR understanding of "becoming a Christian?" |
I have read many of your posts, wasted much time responding to some,
but so far cannot get you to tell us:
What group you identify yourself with (one that we can SEE, if any
such group exists).
What YOU believe is necessary for a person to come to God.
What YOU believe is going to happen when we die.
What YOU believe about the nature of God (Trinity and oneness are
clearly out from what you have written), SO WHAT DO YOU THINK GOD IS?
Do you have the guts, the honesty to come forth with these details, or
will you merely remain a self-ascribed cynic with nothing real to
support you.
OH YES, and YOU HAVE SAID YOU DON"T OFFER OPINIONS; you supply
SCRIPTURE to support your stands (though you rarely do, in fact), so
SHOW US THE SCRIPTURES THAT SUPPORT YOUR POSITIONS IN THESE MATTERS if
you can.
in Christ Jesus,
Checker
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| User: "Rod" |
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| Title: Re: Bible Bob. . .what is YOUR understanding of "becoming a Christian?" |
06 Jun 2007 12:43:49 PM |
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<checker@flapper.com> wrote in message
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I have read many of your posts, wasted much time responding to some,
but so far cannot get you to tell us:
What group you identify yourself with (one that we can SEE, if any
such group exists).
What YOU believe is necessary for a person to come to God.
What YOU believe is going to happen when we die.
What YOU believe about the nature of God (Trinity and oneness are
clearly out from what you have written), SO WHAT DO YOU THINK GOD IS?
Do you have the guts, the honesty to come forth with these details, or
will you merely remain a self-ascribed cynic with nothing real to
support you.
So....the establishment is in attack mode. That leaves your clergy
less time for fleecing the flock, does it not ?
Rod
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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| Title: Re: Bible Bob. . .what is YOUR understanding of "becoming a Christian?" |
06 Jun 2007 09:58:09 PM |
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 17:43:49 GMT, "Rod" <kc0oeb@att.net> wrote:
<checker@flapper.com> wrote in message
news:15qb63dqbo2mrc9lkufd2342l9m0h66a4f@4ax.com...
I have read many of your posts, wasted much time responding to some,
but so far cannot get you to tell us:
What group you identify yourself with (one that we can SEE, if any
such group exists).
What YOU believe is necessary for a person to come to God.
What YOU believe is going to happen when we die.
What YOU believe about the nature of God (Trinity and oneness are
clearly out from what you have written), SO WHAT DO YOU THINK GOD IS?
Do you have the guts, the honesty to come forth with these details, or
will you merely remain a self-ascribed cynic with nothing real to
support you.
So....the establishment is in attack mode. That leaves your clergy
less time for fleecing the flock, does it not ?
Rod
Checker,
I post to the free.christians group. If you want to ask me a
question, post there.
Rod,
Thanks. I see you added the free.christians group to the header.
This works out good.
Checker,
I am sure I have aleady covered this stuff in other posts; but if it
makes you happy I will provide responses.
I am not affiliated with nor will be affiliated with any denomination.
I am a member of the body of Christ which is the church of God. My
allegiance is to my Lord Jesus Christ; not any man or group with
regard to spiritual matters. I used to belong to the US army (and
technically still do since I am retired) and he DAV. Oh, I also
belong to my wife in accordance with the Scriptures.
It is not what I believe that is necessary to believe. I am just a
"me" equal to "you". No person can "come to God" in the present
because God is Spirit and people are flesh; that's why we needed the
Lord Jesus Christ the Way to God. There are two kinds of men;
naturalm man and spiritual man. Everyone is born a natural man. To
become a spiritual man a person must confess Jesus as Lord and beleive
that God raised Jesus from the dead.
Rom 10:9-10 KJV
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt
believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou
shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the
mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Once that is done we live life until we die or until the Lord Jesus
Christ returns "for" his church. If asleep then we will be raised. If
awake we shall be caught up together with those raised in the clouds
to meet the Lord in the air. And from that point on we shall be ever
with the Lord and know God.
1Th 4:13-18 KJV
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them
which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no
hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them
also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which
are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent
them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with
the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in
Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together
with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we
ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
When I die, someone will do something with my body. I won't need it
anymore because of the above.
God is Spirit, God is Love, God is Light, God is Holy. God is the
Creator, God is the Father of Jesus Christ. God is my Father and the
Fathger of all those who He has Fathered. God is also the Word and
has many names and titles that define his nature. Jesus Christ is the
Son of God, the Mediator between God and man (the man Jesus Christ),
and my Lord and Saviour, and many other things that are spoken about
in the word of God. "Trinity" is not used in any version of the
Bible.
I am a skinny fellow measuring 5'9" and weighing 145 pounds. I have
the guts that I am supposed to have, I had a vasectomy before I was
saved (but I won't need to make babies when I get to Paradise). I got
balls; does that count?
Honesty. I am considered an honest man by those who know me. I don't
do those thing you have falsly accused me of.
God and Jesus Christ are very real and they support me very well.
That's why I don't need you to be my god or savior.
What clergy? I do not belong to a denomination. I probably give more
each month on a percentage basis than those of you that have been
tricked into tithing and giving money to organized religious social
clubs. I give face to face to supply needs and what I give is done
according to the standards of the word of God; not the word of some
scam artist preacher.
I know men that are pastors and prophets and evangelists and teachers
and submit myself to them when it is right to do so just as I do to
any other believer when it is right to do so. But that is face to
face to.
What else you want to know?
Hope my answers help clear your conscience.
Take Care,
Bob
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| User: "Rod" |
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| Title: Re: Bible Bob. . .what is YOUR understanding of "becoming a Christian?" |
07 Jun 2007 03:34:35 PM |
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"Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 17:43:49 GMT, "Rod" <kc0oeb@att.net> wrote:
<checker@flapper.com> wrote in message
news:15qb63dqbo2mrc9lkufd2342l9m0h66a4f@4ax.com...
I have read many of your posts, wasted much time responding to some,
but so far cannot get you to tell us:
What group you identify yourself with (one that we can SEE, if any
such group exists).
What YOU believe is necessary for a person to come to God.
What YOU believe is going to happen when we die.
What YOU believe about the nature of God (Trinity and oneness are
clearly out from what you have written), SO WHAT DO YOU THINK GOD IS?
Do you have the guts, the honesty to come forth with these details, or
will you merely remain a self-ascribed cynic with nothing real to
support you.
So....the establishment is in attack mode. That leaves your clergy
less time for fleecing the flock, does it not ?
Rod
Checker,
I post to the free.christians group. If you want to ask me a
question, post there.
Rod,
Thanks. I see you added the free.christians group to the header.
This works out good.
You are welcome !
Rod
Checker,
I am sure I have aleady covered this stuff in other posts; but if it
makes you happy I will provide responses.
I am not affiliated with nor will be affiliated with any denomination.
I am a member of the body of Christ which is the church of God. My
allegiance is to my Lord Jesus Christ; not any man or group with
regard to spiritual matters. I used to belong to the US army (and
technically still do since I am retired) and he DAV. Oh, I also
belong to my wife in accordance with the Scriptures.
It is not what I believe that is necessary to believe. I am just a
"me" equal to "you". No person can "come to God" in the present
because God is Spirit and people are flesh; that's why we needed the
Lord Jesus Christ the Way to God. There are two kinds of men;
naturalm man and spiritual man. Everyone is born a natural man. To
become a spiritual man a person must confess Jesus as Lord and beleive
that God raised Jesus from the dead.
Rom 10:9-10 KJV
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt
believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou
shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the
mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Once that is done we live life until we die or until the Lord Jesus
Christ returns "for" his church. If asleep then we will be raised. If
awake we shall be caught up together with those raised in the clouds
to meet the Lord in the air. And from that point on we shall be ever
with the Lord and know God.
1Th 4:13-18 KJV
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them
which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no
hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them
also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which
are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent
them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with
the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in
Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together
with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we
ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
When I die, someone will do something with my body. I won't need it
anymore because of the above.
God is Spirit, God is Love, God is Light, God is Holy. God is the
Creator, God is the Father of Jesus Christ. God is my Father and the
Fathger of all those who He has Fathered. God is also the Word and
has many names and titles that define his nature. Jesus Christ is the
Son of God, the Mediator between God and man (the man Jesus Christ),
and my Lord and Saviour, and many other things that are spoken about
in the word of God. "Trinity" is not used in any version of the
Bible.
I am a skinny fellow measuring 5'9" and weighing 145 pounds. I have
the guts that I am supposed to have, I had a vasectomy before I was
saved (but I won't need to make babies when I get to Paradise). I got
balls; does that count?
Honesty. I am considered an honest man by those who know me. I don't
do those thing you have falsly accused me of.
God and Jesus Christ are very real and they support me very well.
That's why I don't need you to be my god or savior.
What clergy? I do not belong to a denomination. I probably give more
each month on a percentage basis than those of you that have been
tricked into tithing and giving money to organized religious social
clubs. I give face to face to supply needs and what I give is done
according to the standards of the word of God; not the word of some
scam artist preacher.
I know men that are pastors and prophets and evangelists and teachers
and submit myself to them when it is right to do so just as I do to
any other believer when it is right to do so. But that is face to
face to.
What else you want to know?
Hope my answers help clear your conscience.
Take Care,
Bob
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| Title: Re: Bible Bob. . .what is YOUR understanding of "becoming a Christian?" |
06 Jun 2007 01:31:03 PM |
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 17:43:49 GMT, "Rod" <kc0oeb@att.net> wrote:
<checker@flapper.com> wrote in message
news:15qb63dqbo2mrc9lkufd2342l9m0h66a4f@4ax.com...
I have read many of your posts, wasted much time responding to some,
but so far cannot get you to tell us:
What group you identify yourself with (one that we can SEE, if any
such group exists).
What YOU believe is necessary for a person to come to God.
What YOU believe is going to happen when we die.
What YOU believe about the nature of God (Trinity and oneness are
clearly out from what you have written), SO WHAT DO YOU THINK GOD IS?
Do you have the guts, the honesty to come forth with these details, or
will you merely remain a self-ascribed cynic with nothing real to
support you.
So....the establishment is in attack mode. That leaves your clergy
less time for fleecing the flock, does it not ?
What "establishment" would that be, roddy? It is just ME, not an
"establishment."
Don't be silly.
BB continues to rant about how we Christians all have it wrong. I
just want to see what HE believes is some kind of cognizant manner.
Checker
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| User: "Rod" |
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| Title: Re: Bible Bob. . .what is YOUR understanding of "becoming a Christian?" |
06 Jun 2007 06:39:19 PM |
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<checker@flapper.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 17:43:49 GMT, "Rod" <kc0oeb@att.net> wrote:
<checker@flapper.com> wrote in message
news:15qb63dqbo2mrc9lkufd2342l9m0h66a4f@4ax.com...
I have read many of your posts, wasted much time responding to some,
but so far cannot get you to tell us:
What group you identify yourself with (one that we can SEE, if any
such group exists).
What YOU believe is necessary for a person to come to God.
What YOU believe is going to happen when we die.
What YOU believe about the nature of God (Trinity and oneness are
clearly out from what you have written), SO WHAT DO YOU THINK GOD IS?
Do you have the guts, the honesty to come forth with these details, or
will you merely remain a self-ascribed cynic with nothing real to
support you.
So....the establishment is in attack mode. That leaves your clergy
less time for fleecing the flock, does it not ?
What "establishment" would that be, roddy?
Roddy ? The name is Rod, crap for brains....
It is just ME, not an
"establishment."
Just you, and the false teachings that organsied religion has taught
you.
Don't be silly.
BB continues to rant about how we Christians all have it wrong. I
just want to see what HE believes is some kind of cognizant manner.
Checker
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| User: "Carl" |
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| Title: Re: Bible Bob. . .what is YOUR understanding of "becoming a Christian?" |
06 Jun 2007 02:52:11 PM |
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<checker@flapper.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 17:43:49 GMT, "Rod" <kc0oeb@att.net> wrote:
<checker@flapper.com> wrote in message
news:15qb63dqbo2mrc9lkufd2342l9m0h66a4f@4ax.com...
I have read many of your posts, wasted much time responding to some,
but so far cannot get you to tell us:
What group you identify yourself with (one that we can SEE, if any
such group exists).
What YOU believe is necessary for a person to come to God.
What YOU believe is going to happen when we die.
What YOU believe about the nature of God (Trinity and oneness are
clearly out from what you have written), SO WHAT DO YOU THINK GOD IS?
Do you have the guts, the honesty to come forth with these details, or
will you merely remain a self-ascribed cynic with nothing real to
support you.
So....the establishment is in attack mode. That leaves your clergy
less time for fleecing the flock, does it not ?
What "establishment" would that be, roddy? It is just ME, not an
"establishment."
Don't be silly.
BB continues to rant about how we Christians all have it wrong. I
just want to see what HE believes is some kind of cognizant manner.
Checker, after reading much of BB's heretical teachings, the only Biblical
conclusion is that he teaches falsely albeit in a much more polite manner
than others on Usenet. Even though he's been refuted by scripture alone and
been caught twisting scripture and presenting erroneous exegesis, he
attempts to avoid reproof and correction by throwing out red herrings and
non sequitur arguments. Even the small number of times he cites sources,
those sources turn out for the most part to be from well-known cults with
equally heretical teachings. I have informed him that I will comply with
Biblical instruction and have nothing more to do with him. Apparently that
wasn't good enough for him so he continued with his baiting even allowing
his mask of politeness to drop exposing a nasty attitude with ad hominem
attacks. BB has shown himself to be unChristian and unGodly although he puts
on a decent show of civility to a point. He's falsely accused good Christian
people of being cultic, heretical and unChristian although he has nothing
but his misguided and wicked opinion. I will keep him in my prayers but he's
to be rejected.
May God bless,
Carl
website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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06 Jun 2007 10:42:06 PM |
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On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 15:52:11 -0400, "Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote:
<checker@flapper.com> wrote in message
news:39vd6310aut044nq1j627sjtniskp48vpc@4ax.com...
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 17:43:49 GMT, "Rod" <kc0oeb@att.net> wrote:
<checker@flapper.com> wrote in message
news:15qb63dqbo2mrc9lkufd2342l9m0h66a4f@4ax.com...
I have read many of your posts, wasted much time responding to some,
but so far cannot get you to tell us:
What group you identify yourself with (one that we can SEE, if any
such group exists).
What YOU believe is necessary for a person to come to God.
What YOU believe is going to happen when we die.
What YOU believe about the nature of God (Trinity and oneness are
clearly out from what you have written), SO WHAT DO YOU THINK GOD IS?
Do you have the guts, the honesty to come forth with these details, or
will you merely remain a self-ascribed cynic with nothing real to
support you.
So....the establishment is in attack mode. That leaves your clergy
less time for fleecing the flock, does it not ?
What "establishment" would that be, roddy? It is just ME, not an
"establishment."
Don't be silly.
BB continues to rant about how we Christians all have it wrong. I
just want to see what HE believes is some kind of cognizant manner.
Checker, after reading much of BB's heretical teachings, the only Biblical
conclusion is that he teaches falsely albeit in a much more polite manner
than others on Usenet. Even though he's been refuted by scripture alone and
been caught twisting scripture and presenting erroneous exegesis, he
attempts to avoid reproof and correction by throwing out red herrings and
non sequitur arguments. Even the small number of times he cites sources,
those sources turn out for the most part to be from well-known cults with
equally heretical teachings. I have informed him that I will comply with
Biblical instruction and have nothing more to do with him. Apparently that
wasn't good enough for him so he continued with his baiting even allowing
his mask of politeness to drop exposing a nasty attitude with ad hominem
attacks. BB has shown himself to be unChristian and unGodly although he puts
on a decent show of civility to a point. He's falsely accused good Christian
people of being cultic, heretical and unChristian although he has nothing
but his misguided and wicked opinion. I will keep him in my prayers but he's
to be rejected.
May God bless,
Carl
website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
Carl,
What teachings? I haven't posted any for quite some time. Been kind
of busy babysitting bad boys.
Checker, beware of his ploy. You have been warned.
This is going to be fun. Let's see if Carl can prove any of his
allegations.
Carl said:
Checker, after reading much of BB's heretical teachings, the only
Biblical conclusion is that he teaches falsely albeit in a much more
polite manner .
BB's response:
I haven't posted any teachings of late so they could not have been
heretical. Heretical is not a Biblical word in that it is not used in
the Bible. The word heretick is used once in the Bible and is from
the Greek word aihretikos that refers to a schismatic. A schismatic
is one who does what you are tying to do now - cause division in the
one body of Christ. You are a babe in Christ not even able to
udnerstand the milk of the word of God; unlearned in the Scriptures
unable to digest the meat of the word that you need to live and grow.
You have proven over and over again that you do not know the
Scriptures. You have been unable to answer even the simplest of
questions I have asked you; nor have you been able to accurately
refute one statement concerning the word that I have made. You have
not been able to prove from the Scriptures what is so. All you have
been able to do of late is post a bunch of articles by other men. If
you knew the word of God; you would teach the subject yourself.
What you have proven yourself to be is what the Bible calls a
hypocrite. You play the roll of a disciple of Christ; but you are a
lousy actor.
Carl said:
Even though he's been refuted by scripture alone and been caught
twisting scripture and presenting erroneous exegesis, he attempts to
avoid reproof and correction by throwing out red herrings and
non sequitur arguments.
BB responds:
Another lie. You are an expert at cust and pasting. Cut and paste
one post where you (or anyone else lately) has proven what I said to
be false, or a twisting of the Scriptures. LOL! Exegesis, like you
know how to do it. What a laugh. Cut and paste one reproof or
correction. You are lying as usual. You made the allegations; now
prove that you are not a deliberate liar. I love it when fools put
their foot in their mouths especially when they won't listen to
doctrine, reproof, and correction from the word of God. Put up or
shut up Carl. You done messed up this time.
Carl said:
Even the small number of times he cites sources, those sources turn
out for the most part to be from well-known cults with equally
heretical teachings.
BB responds:
I see you learned Hitler's teaching well. You lie big. How many
posts have I posted in the past month? According to my sent file I
have posted 495 posts since April 12th. Almost all of them contain
quotations from the word of God. The well know cult you are talking
about was the first century church which had some pretty knowledgable
believers. Among them Peter, Paul, James, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John,
and Jude. Thanks for admitting what I already knew. The only sources
you believe are those people that you post articles for. You do not
believe the word of God is a good source; only articles by men satisfy
you.
LOL! Hypocrite and liar. You accused the man with the reputation of
posting long winded comments containing many quoted and expounded
Scriptures. You on the other hand cite verse numbers; but not the
words of the verses so that you can deceive people. You post articles
of other men that you worship in lieu of God and expect people to
worship them and you. You are a fraud.
Carl said:
I have informed him that I will comply with Biblical instruction and
have nothing more to do with him. Apparently that wasn't good enough
for him so he continued with his baiting even allowing his mask of
politeness to drop exposing a nasty attitude with ad hominem attacks.
BB responds:
In other words when you were confronted with the truth of the word of
God, line by line and word by word rightly divided you ran like a
coward. That wasn't a nasty attitude. That was me giving you some
well derserved reproof and advice and if I remember correctly I
documented from the word of God that your behavior was wrong. No ad
hominem attacks. What I said to you; you earned by your words and
deeds.
Carl said:
BB has shown himself to be unChristian and unGodly although he puts
on a decent show of civility to a point.
BB responds:
Thanks for proving me right. How did I "show" you that I was
unChristian and unGodly? Are you Christian and Godly? No, your
behavior demonstrates that you are not a disciple of Christ; only one
of the unlearned and your words are ungodly. Go ahead and cut and
paste from a post where I was unChristian and unGodly so that I can
show you how you are lying again.
Carl said:
He's falsely accused good Christian people of being cultic, heretical
and unChristian although he has nothing but his misguided and wicked
opinion. I will keep him in my prayers but he's to be rejected.
BB responds:
You are lying and being hypocritcal. Name one person. Cut and paste
the text from the post where I accused good Christian people of being
cultic, heretical, and unChristian. Come on Carl cut and paste Carl,
cut and paste your proof. It is you that has been doing what yiou
accuse me of. Want proof? Read what you wrote above.
Carl, you have been and are behaving very foolishly. You have proven
yourself to be a liar and a hypocrite.
Take Care,
Bob
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07 Jun 2007 02:02:25 PM |
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 23:42:06 -0400, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com>
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On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 15:52:11 -0400, "Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote:
<checker@flapper.com> wrote in message
news:39vd6310aut044nq1j627sjtniskp48vpc@4ax.com...
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 17:43:49 GMT, "Rod" <kc0oeb@att.net> wrote:
<checker@flapper.com> wrote in message
news:15qb63dqbo2mrc9lkufd2342l9m0h66a4f@4ax.com...
I have read many of your posts, wasted much time responding to some,
but so far cannot get you to tell us:
What group you identify yourself with (one that we can SEE, if any
such group exists).
What YOU believe is necessary for a person to come to God.
What YOU believe is going to happen when we die.
What YOU believe about the nature of God (Trinity and oneness are
clearly out from what you have written), SO WHAT DO YOU THINK GOD IS?
Do you have the guts, the honesty to come forth with these details, or
will you merely remain a self-ascribed cynic with nothing real to
support you.
So....the establishment is in attack mode. That leaves your clergy
less time for fleecing the flock, does it not ?
What "establishment" would that be, roddy? It is just ME, not an
"establishment."
Don't be silly.
BB continues to rant about how we Christians all have it wrong. I
just want to see what HE believes is some kind of cognizant manner.
Checker, after reading much of BB's heretical teachings, the only Biblical
conclusion is that he teaches falsely albeit in a much more polite manner
than others on Usenet. Even though he's been refuted by scripture alone and
been caught twisting scripture and presenting erroneous exegesis, he
attempts to avoid reproof and correction by throwing out red herrings and
non sequitur arguments. Even the small number of times he cites sources,
those sources turn out for the most part to be from well-known cults with
equally heretical teachings. I have informed him that I will comply with
Biblical instruction and have nothing more to do with him. Apparently that
wasn't good enough for him so he continued with his baiting even allowing
his mask of politeness to drop exposing a nasty attitude with ad hominem
attacks. BB has shown himself to be unChristian and unGodly although he puts
on a decent show of civility to a point. He's falsely accused good Christian
people of being cultic, heretical and unChristian although he has nothing
but his misguided and wicked opinion. I will keep him in my prayers but he's
to be rejected.
May God bless,
Carl
website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
Carl,
What teachings? I haven't posted any for quite some time. Been kind
of busy babysitting bad boys.
But in your posts you have expressed some of your beliefs:
1) That all Christians are cultists because we don't agree with you.
2) That God is neither as described by trinitarians or oneness, but
you don't seem how to describe Him otherwise.
3) That all groups of Christians are cults because you we all believe
differently than you do.
Oh, yes you have indeed expressed some of your "teachings" here. But
of course Carl never expressed any time limit; You artificially
imposed that.
Checker, beware of his ploy. You have been warned.
Oooooo, I am WOOOORRRIED! LOL! At least he doesn't seem to lie as
you do.
This is going to be fun. Let's see if Carl can prove any of his
allegations.
He really doesn't need to. He merely talked about OBSERVATIONS, and I
observed most of the things he has OBSERVED in you already.
Carl said:
Checker, after reading much of BB's heretical teachings, the only
Biblical conclusion is that he teaches falsely albeit in a much more
polite manner .
BB's response:
I haven't posted any teachings of late so they could not have been
heretical.
Of late? Let's see now. You have claimed that Jesus is not God, that
God is not a trinity, and that all organized religions are cults.
No "teachings" huh?
Heretical is not a Biblical word in that it is not used in
the Bible. The word heretick is used once in the Bible and is from
the Greek word aihretikos that refers to a schismatic.
Heretic in the ENGLISH language, the language you are posting in,
means, "1) Any opinions at variance with the official or orthodox
position, or 2) A belief that rejects the orthodox tenets of a
religion.
That makes YOU, in relationship with the Christian faith, a heretic.
A schismatic
is one who does what you are tying to do now - cause division in the
one body of Christ.
Naah, pointing out YOUR errors is NOT "causing a division in the One
Body of Christ." YOU are not the "one body of Christ." YOU are the
one with beliefs that reject the orthodox (normal) tenets of
Christianity.
You are a babe in Christ not even able to
udnerstand the milk of the word of God; unlearned in the Scriptures
unable to digest the meat of the word that you need to live and grow.
Nothing more than a baseless OPINION offered by you.
You have proven over and over again that you do not know the
Scriptures. You have been unable to answer even the simplest of
questions I have asked you; nor have you been able to accurately
refute one statement concerning the word that I have made. You have
not been able to prove from the Scriptures what is so. All you have
been able to do of late is post a bunch of articles by other men. If
you knew the word of God; you would teach the subject yourself.
What you have proven yourself to be is what the Bible calls a
hypocrite. You play the roll of a disciple of Christ; but you are a
lousy actor.
From what I have seen of Carl, that is a complete falsehood, another
LIE by bobby.
Carl said:
Even though he's been refuted by scripture alone and been caught
twisting scripture and presenting erroneous exegesis, he attempts to
avoid reproof and correction by throwing out red herrings and
non sequitur arguments.
BB responds:
Another lie. You are an expert at cust and pasting. Cut and paste
one post where you (or anyone else lately) has proven what I said to
be false, or a twisting of the Scriptures. LOL! Exegesis, like you
know how to do it. What a laugh. Cut and paste one reproof or
correction. You are lying as usual. You made the allegations; now
prove that you are not a deliberate liar. I love it when fools put
their foot in their mouths especially when they won't listen to
doctrine, reproof, and correction from the word of God. Put up or
shut up Carl. You done messed up this time.
He has offered an OPINION here, nothing more. His OPINION matches up
with what I have seen in you and your posts, bobby. Your name-calling
of him does not make your argument seem any more real.
Carl said:
Even the small number of times he cites sources, those sources turn
out for the most part to be from well-known cults with equally
heretical teachings.
And "cults" as defined by you, are any organized groups of believers
such as Baptists, Lutherans, Evangelical Frees, Assemblies of God, etc
etc; anyone who disagrees with bobby.
BB responds:
I see you learned Hitler's teaching well. You lie big. How many
posts have I posted in the past month?
I see you like calling names, making up lies, and slandering people.
According to my sent file I
have posted 495 posts since April 12th. Almost all of them contain
quotations from the word of God.
One or two, along with LOTS of wierd OPINIONS, nasty put-downs, and
simple LIES.
You don't get to be called "clean" just because you include a
scripture or two in a post full of dung.
The well know cult you are talking
about was the first century church which had some pretty knowledgable
believers. Among them Peter, Paul, James, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John,
and Jude. Thanks for admitting what I already knew. The only sources
you believe are those people that you post articles for. You do not
believe the word of God is a good source; only articles by men satisfy
you.
LOL! Hypocrite and liar. You accused the man with the reputation of
posting long winded comments containing many quoted and expounded
Scriptures.
That CERTAINLY does not describe YOU, bobby. YOU have the reputation
of posting a FEW scriptures followed by long winded heretical comments
that do not AGREE with the Bible.
You on the other hand cite verse numbers; but not the
words of the verses so that you can deceive people. You post articles
of other men that you worship in lieu of God and expect people to
worship them and you. You are a fraud.
You made the same kind of comments about ME, bobby, but you did recant
them since you could NOT NAME ONE PERSON I worshipped other than the
God of the Bible, nor could you claim ANY "philosophy" other than
SCRIPTURE that I subscribe to.
Is this one of your favorite "arguments" against anyone who disagrees
with you? So far in the few things I have read of Carl's, I have seen
NONE of these things in his writings. ONLY in the CLAIMS you have
made against Carl.
Carl said:
I have informed him that I will comply with Biblical instruction and
have nothing more to do with him. Apparently that wasn't good enough
for him so he continued with his baiting even allowing his mask of
politeness to drop exposing a nasty attitude with ad hominem attacks.
BB responds:
In other words when you were confronted with the truth of the word of
God, line by line and word by word rightly divided you ran like a
coward.
Why don't you try that tactic with ME? All you do with ME is falsely
claim things you cannot support with scripture, TWIST the Word of God
(like trying to claim that the WORD in John 1:1 wasn't Jesus, even
though the WORD from John 1:1 is described in verse 14 (too far away
for you to remember?) says that this WORD became flesh and dwelt among
us and we beheld His beauty and Grace, a PERFECT description of JESUS
CHRIST. Of course you cannot make the WORD become John, or Fred, or
Joe.
That wasn't a nasty attitude. That was me giving you some
well derserved reproof and advice and if I remember correctly I
documented from the word of God that your behavior was wrong. No ad
hominem attacks. What I said to you; you earned by your words and
deeds.
Calling names and lying about a person IS a nasty attitude bobby, and
you do those things all of the time.
Carl said:
BB has shown himself to be unChristian and unGodly although he puts
on a decent show of civility to a point.
BB responds:
Thanks for proving me right. How did I "show" you that I was
unChristian and unGodly? Are you Christian and Godly? No, your
behavior demonstrates that you are not a disciple of Christ; only one
of the unlearned and your words are ungodly. Go ahead and cut and
paste from a post where I was unChristian and unGodly so that I can
show you how you are lying again.
Let's see now. . .you call all of us Christians "cultists," pretend
that all congregations of Christians are "cults," etc. etc. etc.
But of course you and Carl are in this exchange trading OPINIONS of
each other, that you are "unChristian." Such OPINIONS remain the
property of the persons holding them and do not require PROOF of
purchase! LOL!
Carl said:
He's falsely accused good Christian people of being cultic, heretical
and unChristian although he has nothing but his misguided and wicked
opinion. I will keep him in my prayers but he's to be rejected.
BB responds:
You are lying and being hypocritcal.
More OPINION of yours, of course.
Name one person. Cut and paste
the text from the post where I accused good Christian people of being
cultic, heretical, and unChristian. Come on Carl cut and paste Carl,
cut and paste your proof. It is you that has been doing what yiou
accuse me of. Want proof? Read what you wrote above.
Let's see now, HOW MANY TIMES have you referred to ME as a cultist,
and referred to MY BRETHREN as a cult? LOL! ROTFL!
Carl, you have been and are behaving very foolishly. You have proven
yourself to be a liar and a hypocrite.
How many times have you called names, being a LIAR yourself?
You have no credence.
in Christ Jesus,
Checker
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07 Jun 2007 04:01:26 PM |
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<checker@flapper.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 23:42:06 -0400, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 15:52:11 -0400, "Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote:
<checker@flapper.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 17:43:49 GMT, "Rod" <kc0oeb@att.net> wrote:
<checker@flapper.com> wrote in message
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I have read many of your posts, wasted much time responding to some,
but so far cannot get you to tell us:
What group you identify yourself with (one that we can SEE, if any
such group exists).
What YOU believe is necessary for a person to come to God.
What YOU believe is going to happen when we die.
What YOU believe about the nature of God (Trinity and oneness are
clearly out from what you have written), SO WHAT DO YOU THINK GOD IS?
Do you have the guts, the honesty to come forth with these details,
or
will you merely remain a self-ascribed cynic with nothing real to
support you.
So....the establishment is in attack mode. That leaves your clergy
less time for fleecing the flock, does it not ?
What "establishment" would that be, roddy? It is just ME, not an
"establishment."
Don't be silly.
BB continues to rant about how we Christians all have it wrong. I
just want to see what HE believes is some kind of cognizant manner.
Checker, after reading much of BB's heretical teachings, the only
Biblical
conclusion is that he teaches falsely albeit in a much more polite manner
than others on Usenet. Even though he's been refuted by scripture alone
and
been caught twisting scripture and presenting erroneous exegesis, he
attempts to avoid reproof and correction by throwing out red herrings and
non sequitur arguments. Even the small number of times he cites sources,
those sources turn out for the most part to be from well-known cults with
equally heretical teachings. I have informed him that I will comply with
Biblical instruction and have nothing more to do with him. Apparently
that
wasn't good enough for him so he continued with his baiting even allowing
his mask of politeness to drop exposing a nasty attitude with ad hominem
attacks. BB has shown himself to be unChristian and unGodly although he
puts
on a decent show of civility to a point. He's falsely accused good
Christian
people of being cultic, heretical and unChristian although he has nothing
but his misguided and wicked opinion. I will keep him in my prayers but
he's
to be rejected.
May God bless,
Carl
website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
Carl,
What teachings? I haven't posted any for quite some time. Been kind
of busy babysitting bad boys.
But in your posts you have expressed some of your beliefs:
1) That all Christians are cultists because we don't agree with you.
Christians ARE cultists no matter who they agree with. Read the
definition
of cultist below !
Main Entry: cult
Pronunciation: 'k<
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration,
from colere to cultivate -- more at WHEEL
1 : formal religious veneration : WORSHIP
2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of
adherents
4 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its
promulgator <health cults>
5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film
or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual
fad b : the object of such devotion c : a usually small group of people
characterized by such devotion
- cul·tic /'k&l-tik/ adjective
- cult·ish /-tish/ adjective
- cult·ish·ly /-lE/ adverb
- cult·ish·ness /-n&s/ noun
- cult·ism /'k&l-"ti-z&m/ noun
- cult·ist /'k&l-tist/ noun
- cult·like /-"lIk/ adjective
Now, where did you say that heresy was ???
2) That God is neither as described by trinitarians or oneness, but
you don't seem how to describe Him otherwise.
So, where is the heresy ? Sounds like a disagreement to me...
3) That all groups of Christians are cults because you we all believe
differently than you do.
See the definition above !
Oh, yes you have indeed expressed some of your "teachings" here. But
of course Carl never expressed any time limit; You artificially
imposed that.
Here ! I expressed one above, about certain christians learning definitons
before making accusations, then they won't look so stupid !
Checker, beware of his ploy. You have been warned.
Oooooo, I am WOOOORRRIED! LOL! At least he doesn't seem to lie as
you do.
This is going to be fun. Let's see if Carl can prove any of his
allegations.
Conveniently for Carl, he has declared you a heretic without confronting
you
as REQUIRED by scripture. He is observing what scripture says on how to
treat
heretics, so he believes he can make any accusation he wants against anyone
and
not have to prove it simply by declaring them heretics.
I recall that Julius the Second of the catholic church also treated
others in a
like manner, and had THEM killed without proving his charges.
Many denominations of today use these same tactics when dealing with
outsiders
and those of their congregation, only they are not allowed to kill them, but
they do manage
so isolate some and completely silence others.
Rod
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11 Jun 2007 07:51:36 PM |
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On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 16:01:26 -0500, "Rod" <kc0oeb@att.net> wrote:
<checker@flapper.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 23:42:06 -0400, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 15:52:11 -0400, "Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote:
<checker@flapper.com> wrote in message
news:39vd6310aut044nq1j627sjtniskp48vpc@4ax.com...
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 17:43:49 GMT, "Rod" <kc0oeb@att.net> wrote:
<checker@flapper.com> wrote in message
news:15qb63dqbo2mrc9lkufd2342l9m0h66a4f@4ax.com...
I have read many of your posts, wasted much time responding to some,
but so far cannot get you to tell us:
What group you identify yourself with (one that we can SEE, if any
such group exists).
What YOU believe is necessary for a person to come to God.
What YOU believe is going to happen when we die.
What YOU believe about the nature of God (Trinity and oneness are
clearly out from what you have written), SO WHAT DO YOU THINK GOD IS?
Do you have the guts, the honesty to come forth with these details,
or
will you merely remain a self-ascribed cynic with nothing real to
support you.
So....the establishment is in attack mode. That leaves your clergy
less time for fleecing the flock, does it not ?
What "establishment" would that be, roddy? It is just ME, not an
"establishment."
Don't be silly.
BB continues to rant about how we Christians all have it wrong. I
just want to see what HE believes is some kind of cognizant manner.
Checker, after reading much of BB's heretical teachings, the only
Biblical
conclusion is that he teaches falsely albeit in a much more polite manner
than others on Usenet. Even though he's been refuted by scripture alone
and
been caught twisting scripture and presenting erroneous exegesis, he
attempts to avoid reproof and correction by throwing out red herrings and
non sequitur arguments. Even the small number of times he cites sources,
those sources turn out for the most part to be from well-known cults with
equally heretical teachings. I have informed him that I will comply with
Biblical instruction and have nothing more to do with him. Apparently
that
wasn't good enough for him so he continued with his baiting even allowing
his mask of politeness to drop exposing a nasty attitude with ad hominem
attacks. BB has shown himself to be unChristian and unGodly although he
puts
on a decent show of civility to a point. He's falsely accused good
Christian
people of being cultic, heretical and unChristian although he has nothing
but his misguided and wicked opinion. I will keep him in my prayers but
he's
to be rejected.
May God bless,
Carl
website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
Carl,
What teachings? I haven't posted any for quite some time. Been kind
of busy babysitting bad boys.
But in your posts you have expressed some of your beliefs:
1) That all Christians are cultists because we don't agree with you.
Christians ARE cultists no matter who they agree with. Read the
definition
of cultist below !
Main Entry: cult
Pronunciation: 'k<
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration,
from colere to cultivate -- more at WHEEL
1 : formal religious veneration : WORSHIP
2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of
adherents
4 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its
promulgator <health cults>
5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film
or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual
fad b : the object of such devotion c : a usually small group of people
characterized by such devotion
- cul·tic /'k&l-tik/ adjective
- cult·ish /-tish/ adjective
- cult·ish·ly /-lE/ adverb
- cult·ish·ness /-n&s/ noun
- cult·ism /'k&l-"ti-z&m/ noun
- cult·ist /'k&l-tist/ noun
- cult·like /-"lIk/ adjective
Now, where did you say that heresy was ???
3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of
adherents
YOU posted it.
2) That God is neither as described by trinitarians or oneness, but
you don't seem how to describe Him otherwise.
So, where is the heresy ? Sounds like a disagreement to me...
That is because you seem to have some heretical (spurious and
unorthodox [not normal]) belief that you disagree with Christians
vehemently because you follow a "different" god.
3) That all groups of Christians are cults because you we all believe
differently than you do.
See the definition above !
I did. It is YOU who follow the "unorthodox and spurious" belief
system, not us Christians.
Oh, yes you have indeed expressed some of your "teachings" here. But
of course Carl never expressed any time limit; You artificially
imposed that.
Here ! I expressed one above, about certain christians learning definitons
before making accusations, then they won't look so stupid !
You did indeed impose one above, AFTER Carl said what he said. YOUR
limit does not bind Carl's statement so THINK before you post such
stuff, then YOU won't look so stupid!
Checker, beware of his ploy. You have been warned.
Oooooo, I am WOOOORRRIED! LOL! At least he doesn't seem to lie as
you do.
This is going to be fun. Let's see if Carl can prove any of his
allegations.
Conveniently for Carl, he has declared you a heretic without confronting
you
as REQUIRED by scripture.
No he hasn't. He has NEVER declared me a heritic at all!
SHOW US HIS "declaration" or admit you are wrong!
He is observing what scripture says on how to
treat
heretics, so he believes he can make any accusation he wants against anyone
and
not have to prove it simply by declaring them heretics.
LOL! You sure like to "read into" things you read, stuff that is NOT
there so you can rail against it, don't you? LOL!
I recall that Julius the Second of the catholic church also treated
others in a
like manner, and had THEM killed without proving his charges.
I seem to recall that some of Hitler's minions killed millions of Jews
too, without supporting HIS charges. Does that (by inferrance) make
YOU like Hitler too? LOL!
Some big shaggy dogs drool all of the time. . .
Many denominations of today use these same tactics when dealing with
outsiders and those of their congregation, only they are not allowed to kill them, but
they do manage so isolate some and completely silence others.
We Christians do not allow heretics to come in like wolves in sheep's
clothing and corrupt our churches.
That is because we obey scripture.
2 Tim 4:2-5
2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince,
rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time
will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to
their own desires, because they have itching ears , they will heap up
for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the
truth, and be turned aside to fables. 5 But you be watchful in all
things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your
ministry.
NKJV
You may peddle your fables here, but you wouldn't get away with it in
our Baptist congregation!
In Christ Jesus,
Checker
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12 Jun 2007 07:49:52 AM |
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On Jun 11, 8:51 pm, wrote:
Conveniently for Carl, he has declared you a heretic without confronting
you
as REQUIRED by scripture.
No he hasn't. He has NEVER declared me a heritic at all!
SHOW US HIS "declaration" or admit you are wrong!
Hmmm...upon a second reading I am now wondering if the accusation was
made by Rod. Sometimes keeping up with posts via Google can be
difficult. Whether the accusation was made by Rod or Bible Bob is
irelevent...I do not recall making any such accusation against Checker
at any point and if I had, I would like to see the direct quote with
headers.
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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12 Jun 2007 07:36:12 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:49:52 -0700, wrote:
On Jun 11, 8:51 pm, wrote:
Conveniently for Carl, he has declared you a heretic without confronting
you
as REQUIRED by scripture.
No he hasn't. He has NEVER declared me a heritic at all!
SHOW US HIS "declaration" or admit you are wrong!
Hmmm...upon a second reading I am now wondering if the accusation was
made by Rod. Sometimes keeping up with posts via Google can be
difficult. Whether the accusation was made by Rod or Bible Bob is
irelevent...I do not recall making any such accusation against Checker
at any point and if I had, I would like to see the direct quote with
headers.
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
Carl,
What a hypocrite you are. Now you aren't sure who said it so it is
irrelevant who you slander with your lies. More evidence that truth,
honesty, goodness, etc. are not part of your nature. I'd like to see
the direct quote with headers for the false charges you made earlier.
BB
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12 Jun 2007 07:42:12 AM |
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On Jun 11, 8:51 pm, wrote:
This is going to be fun. Let's see if Carl can prove any of his
allegations.
Conveniently for Carl, he has declared you a heretic without confronting
you
as REQUIRED by scripture.
No he hasn't. He has NEVER declared me a heritic at all!
SHOW US HIS "declaration" or admit you are wrong!
Checker, I read Bible Bob's response to your post and noticed the lack
of any such declaration on my part (e.g. -- calling you a "heretic").
Now I am willing to give the benefit of a doubt and leave open the
possibility that Bible Bob may be mistaken rather than accuse him of
fabricating the declaration. I honestly do not recall making any sort
of accusation against you. If we disagree on some points then as far
as I know they are probably ones not worthy of dividing over. However
I do know that Bible Bob does have a documented (via Usenet) history
of fabrications, obsfuscations and prevarications so it is very
possible that this declaration he accuses me of could very well be
smoke and mirrors as well.
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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12 Jun 2007 07:26:40 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:42:12 -0700, wrote:
On Jun 11, 8:51 pm, wrote:
This is going to be fun. Let's see if Carl can prove any of his
allegations.
Conveniently for Carl, he has declared you a heretic without confronting
you
as REQUIRED by scripture.
No he hasn't. He has NEVER declared me a heritic at all!
SHOW US HIS "declaration" or admit you are wrong!
Checker, I read Bible Bob's response to your post and noticed the lack
of any such declaration on my part (e.g. -- calling you a "heretic").
Now I am willing to give the benefit of a doubt and leave open the
possibility that Bible Bob may be mistaken rather than accuse him of
fabricating the declaration. I honestly do not recall making any sort
of accusation against you. If we disagree on some points then as far
as I know they are probably ones not worthy of dividing over. However
I do know that Bible Bob does have a documented (via Usenet) history
of fabrications, obsfuscations and prevarications so it is very
possible that this declaration he accuses me of could very well be
smoke and mirrors as well.
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
Carl,
I see you are up to your usual lies. Now you are lying to Checker. I
was not the one that said " Conveniently for Carl, he has declared you
a heretic without confronting you as REQUIRED by scripture." Rod said
it; not me.
Your behavior is getting worse and worse. Now you are immitating
Steve and you know who he imitates. You make false charges and do not
document them. You said "I do know that Bible Bob does have a
documented (via Usenet) history of fabrications, obsfuscations and
prevarications so it is very possible that this declaration he accuses
me of could very well be smoke and mirrors as well." Let's see you
document what you say is a documented history of fabrications,
obsfuscations and prevarications. You made the false charges; if you
are not a liar then prove you are not by posting the evidence.
You do realize that you by your words and deeds are living proof that
the Trinity is idolatry. You would commit evil against a brother in
Christ as retribution for not bowing to your doctrine - a doctrine
that you do not understand and can not explain with your own words - a
doctrine that you can not prove from the word of God. Your posts
indicate that you are so bound up in the idolatry of worshipping men
and false doctrines that you have become almost blind to the truth.
Let's see if you are an honorable man with one shred of decency left
in you. You made the charges; now prove them to be true.
Bob
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12 Jun 2007 09:03:17 PM |
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"Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:42:12 -0700, wrote:
On Jun 11, 8:51 pm, wrote:
This is going to be fun. Let's see if Carl can prove any of his
allegations.
Conveniently for Carl, he has declared you a heretic without
confronting
you
as REQUIRED by scripture.
No he hasn't. He has NEVER declared me a heritic at all!
SHOW US HIS "declaration" or admit you are wrong!
Checker, I read Bible Bob's response to your post and noticed the lack
of any such declaration on my part (e.g. -- calling you a "heretic").
Now I am willing to give the benefit of a doubt and leave open the
possibility that Bible Bob may be mistaken rather than accuse him of
fabricating the declaration. I honestly do not recall making any sort
of accusation against you. If we disagree on some points then as far
as I know they are probably ones not worthy of dividing over. However
I do know that Bible Bob does have a documented (via Usenet) history
of fabrications, obsfuscations and prevarications so it is very
possible that this declaration he accuses me of could very well be
smoke and mirrors as well.
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
Carl,
I see you are up to your usual lies. Now you are lying to Checker. I
was not the one that said " Conveniently for Carl, he has declared you
a heretic without confronting you as REQUIRED by scripture." Rod said
it; not me.
Bob, I made an error and admitted it. You call it a lie. You're being very
accusatory and once again attempting to smear. I apologize for the error in
thinking you made the accusation which was a false accusation against me.
However since you have a documented track record (e.g. - Usenet) of making
false accusations against me and others, it is not surprising that I would
confuse such an accusation and possibly coming from you.
Your behavior is getting worse and worse. Now you are immitating
Steve and you know who he imitates. You make false charges and do not
document them. You said "I do know that Bible Bob does have a
documented (via Usenet) history of fabrications, obsfuscations and
prevarications so it is very possible that this declaration he accuses
me of could very well be smoke and mirrors as well." Let's see you
document what you say is a documented history of fabrications,
obsfuscations and prevarications. You made the false charges; if you
are not a liar then prove you are not by posting the evidence.
All one has to do to see your prevarications is to go to Google Groups and
type in "Bible Bob" (include the quotation marks) and they can see for
themselves the false doctrines you espouse, the prevarications you spew and
the slander you put forth. The evidence is there for all who care to look
for themselves. It's there for all who wish to look. They will witness how
you began politely enough early on in your post only to deteriorate into ad
hominem. They will witness the unsound doctrine you have posted. They will
witness how you deny essential Christian doctrine. They will witness your
admission of being closely associated with a well-documented cult.
You do realize that you by your words and deeds are living proof that
the Trinity is idolatry. You would commit evil against a brother in
Christ as retribution for not bowing to your doctrine - a doctrine
that you do not understand and can not explain with your own words - a
doctrine that you can not prove from the word of God. Your posts
indicate that you are so bound up in the idolatry of worshipping men
and false doctrines that you have become almost blind to the truth.
The Trinity is still Biblical and I have not only proven it via sola
scriptura, but also backed it up with multiple valid and legitimate Bible
translations but also numerous scholarly sources, none of which you have
been able to honestly and intellectually refute. Instead you have
prooftexted, provided poor exegesis and made outrageously false claims in
your limited responses. Again I don't have to provide specific examples
since they are all documented via Usenet and all one has to do is type in
"Bible Bob" in Google's Usenet search engine to see for themselves. I will
follow scripture and not engage in foolish debates with you since you are
unwilling to discuss rationally, civilly and honestly. Many people have
already seen this in you. You've deteriorated from being polite to being a
smear merchant. And since you teach falsely with heresy straight from "The
Way International" and also deny essential Biblical doctrine you are
obviously no brother in Christ but a willing heretic which scripture clearly
calls an "enemy" and an "antichrist." You claim I have not proved the
doctrine I believe in via sola scriptura. Again I submit this is a lie on
your part which can be shown to be such via a Google Usenet search.
Let's see if you are an honorable man with one shred of decency left
in you. You made the charges; now prove them to be true.
Bob, God does not wish we Christians to waste our time providing proof to
heretics like yourself when you've already made it clear to the world that
you won't listen. You've attempted to twist scripture into something it
doesn't say. You got caught. You've attempted to deny Biblical doctrine. And
again you got caught. You've attempted to smear and besmirch Christian. And
yet again you got caught.
So what's your response after baing caught time and time again by multiple
witnesses?
Deny, deny and deny again.
Smear, lie and besmirch.
Run away from the light of truth all you wish to, Bible Bob. You can't win
against the Word of God. Even with your arrogance and claims that your
Biblical knowledge and understanding is greater than mine, Matthew Henry,
John Wesley, Norman Geisler, Randy Ray, John Ankerberg, Walter Martin, J
Vernon McGee, Arthur Pink, Jerry Falwell, Kevin Hall, Woodrow Kroll, James
White, Oswald Chambers, David Jeremiah, James Dobson, Billy Graham, R.C.
Sproul, Adrian Rogers, Jack Graham, Ray Stedman, Doug Goins, Ron Ritchie,
Steve Zeisler, John Bunyan, C.H. Spurgeon, Jonathan Edwards, Charles Finney,
James Hastings, Josiah Evans, Colin Woodbury, Bob Tindale, John Willis,
Timothy Whitaker, etc. All of these Godly men belong to Christ and have true
authority (2 Cor. 10)...you have no authority and your heresies prove you
are not one with Christ. All of these Godly men reach out to the unreached
(2 Cor. 10)...you do not but ridicule those who do. All of these Godly men
recognized that the only thing that counts is what Christ does in
them...you, on the other hand boast of what you do for Christ. To be blunt,
all of these Godly men have more Biblical knowledge of sound doctrine in
their little finger than you have exhibited in all your posts.
Intellectually speaking, you are a flyweight compared to any of them.
You have shown yourself to be a phony. You commend yourself, for the most
part. You arrogantly boast of your superior knowledge, spreading it around
so everyone can see. And you are not concerned about reaching the unreached.
You are concerned only with having a little group of your own supporters,
building that to the highest number you can, and paying no attention to the
lost around. Instead you ridiculed and besmirched those who attempted to
reach the lost. You have tried to manipulate and set up various open doors
instead of following those which God opens for you. Most of all, when you
boast you've arrogantly made it clear that God is mighty lucky to have you
on his side. Those are the marks of a counterfeit. Your boasting and
bragging about your so-called superior Biblical knowledge and understanding
and also what you claim to have done for Christ further exposes your false
ministry. You've been tested Bereanically (1 Tim. 3:10) and have been found
lacking. You have shown yourself not to be above reproach, not temperate,
lacking in self-controlled, disrespectable, unhospitable, unable to teach,
not gentle, and quarrelsome. These attributes of yours (all documented via
Usenet newsgroups and searchable via Google) prohibit you from being a valid
teacher of the Word. Furthermore, due to your unsound doctrine you are not
worthy to be the deacon, teacher, minister or whatever you attempt to be on
the newsgroups and are to be avoided by Christians who DO believe in sound
doctrine.
Now I believe I made it clear before that in accordance with scripture
(Titus 3:9,10) I am done with you since you are merely a heretic who has
willingly turned to false teachings. I made this exception since I
mistakenly attributed something Rod said with you. I admit that error and
have apologized for it. However since you have dishonestly attempted to make
it into something it's not, you only show your true colors rather than the
facade you attempted to create initially with others. I truly pity you and
will keep you into my prayers. However regardless of how much you demand I
"prove" things to you, I know you have no Biblical basis to demand such
personal proof. God knows and I know that I am saved by His grace through my
faith in my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and I need not "prove" that to you
nor anyone else. I have presented sound doctrine via sola scriptura and
backed it up even further with solid exegesis from legitimate teachers,
preachers, deacons, ministers, etc. of God's Word. That's what I am called
upon to do. I am prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks me to give
the reason for the hope that I have and I have done so to the best of my
ability with gentleness and respect so I may have a clear conscience. When
you speak maliciously against me of my good behavior in Christ, you shame
yourself with your slander.
May God bless,
Carl
website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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12 Jun 2007 11:29:51 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:03:17 -0400, "Carl" <>
wrote:
"Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> wrote in message
news:8ndu635bq2bikb12ppt5nl0spkbrm969ll@4ax.com...
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:42:12 -0700, wrote:
On Jun 11, 8:51 pm, wrote:
This is going to be fun. Let's see if Carl can prove any of his
allegations.
Conveniently for Carl, he has declared you a heretic without
confronting
you
as REQUIRED by scripture.
No he hasn't. He has NEVER declared me a heritic at all!
SHOW US HIS "declaration" or admit you are wrong!
Checker, I read Bible Bob's response to your post and noticed the lack
of any such declaration on my part (e.g. -- calling you a "heretic").
Now I am willing to give the benefit of a doubt and leave open the
possibility that Bible Bob may be mistaken rather than accuse him of
fabricating the declaration. I honestly do not recall making any sort
of accusation against you. If we disagree on some points then as far
as I know they are probably ones not worthy of dividing over. However
I do know that Bible Bob does have a documented (via Usenet) history
of fabrications, obsfuscations and prevarications so it is very
possible that this declaration he accuses me of could very well be
smoke and mirrors as well.
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
Carl,
I see you are up to your usual lies. Now you are lying to Checker. I
was not the one that said " Conveniently for Carl, he has declared you
a heretic without confronting you as REQUIRED by scripture." Rod said
it; not me.
Bob, I made an error and admitted it. You call it a lie. You're being very
accusatory and once again attempting to smear. I apologize for the error in
thinking you made the accusation which was a false accusation against me.
However since you have a documented track record (e.g. - Usenet) of making
false accusations against me and others, it is not surprising that I would
confuse such an accusation and possibly coming from you.
No problem with the mistake. But you are lying again. Document the
false accusations. That accusation wasn't false. Nor were the other
comments I have made toward you. You knew they were true and were
not able to prove they were not; else you would have.
Your behavior is getting worse and worse. Now you are immitating
Steve and you know who he imitates. You make false charges and do not
document them. You said "I do know that Bible Bob does have a
documented (via Usenet) history of fabrications, obsfuscations and
prevarications so it is very possible that this declaration he accuses
me of could very well be smoke and mirrors as well." Let's see you
document what you say is a documented history of fabrications,
obsfuscations and prevarications. You made the false charges; if you
are not a liar then prove you are not by posting the evidence.
All one has to do to see your prevarications is to go to Google Groups and
type in "Bible Bob" (include the quotation marks) and they can see for
themselves the false doctrines you espouse, the prevarications you spew and
the slander you put forth. The evidence is there for all who care to look
for themselves. It's there for all who wish to look. They will witness how
you began politely enough early on in your post only to deteriorate into ad
hominem. They will witness the unsound doctrine you have posted. They will
witness how you deny essential Christian doctrine. They will witness your
admission of being closely associated with a well-documented cult.
Nah, Let's see you prove one of them to be false line by line and
word by word from Scripture. Come on, let's see you rightly divide
the word of truth just once all by yourself without the help of anyone
else. You lie and lie and lie and think that you are telling the
truth. But you are not telling the truth. You are only fooling
yourself and before long you will be a reprobate with a mind seared
with a hot iron.
I don't reprove you because I don't like you. I do not respect what
you say and do because it is usually false and hypocritical and does
not earn you any eternal rewards. I don't even dislike you. I do
like you and o want the best for you. But like a disobedient child;
the parent is wrong and the child will throw a tantrum to prove that
the parent is wrong.
You do realize that you by your words and deeds are living proof that
the Trinity is idolatry. You would commit evil against a brother in
Christ as retribution for not bowing to your doctrine - a doctrine
that you do not understand and can not explain with your own words - a
doctrine that you can not prove from the word of God. Your posts
indicate that you are so bound up in the idolatry of worshipping men
and false doctrines that you have become almost blind to the truth.
The Trinity is still Biblical and I have not only proven it via sola
scriptura, but also backed it up with multiple valid and legitimate Bible
translations but also numerous scholarly sources, none of which you have
been able to honestly and intellectually refute. Instead you have
prooftexted, provided poor exegesis and made outrageously false claims in
your limited responses. Again I don't have to provide specific examples
since they are all documented via Usenet and all one has to do is type in
"Bible Bob" in Google's Usenet search engine to see for themselves. I will
follow scripture and not engage in foolish debates with you since you are
unwilling to discuss rationally, civilly and honestly. Many people have
already seen this in you. You've deteriorated from being polite to being a
smear merchant. And since you teach falsely with heresy straight from "The
Way International" and also deny essential Biblical doctrine you are
obviously no brother in Christ but a willing heretic which scripture clearly
calls an "enemy" and an "antichrist." You claim I have not proved the
doctrine I believe in via sola scriptura. Again I submit this is a lie on
your part which can be shown to be such via a Google Usenet search.
You are lying. You have not proven it from Scripture. Saying verse
numbers does not prove anything. Oh, now I am from The Way
International. Not! You are so stupid. You should know better than
believe Kelly. But it does show how desperate you have become. Oh,
well it proves what I have been saying all along. You are a man
worshipper who worships anything that tickles your ear ( or that you
can use against someone else to divert attention from your own evil
ways). By the way, speaking of Kelly and her foolishness. Did you
bother to check the other posts concerning what Kelly wrote? You
didn't because you were so desperate for a lie to use against me that
you swallowed her line hook, line, sinker, fishing pole, and arm.
Let me clue you in again. I am not and will not be affilaited with
any religious organization. None of them are ordained of God. Your
cult is the worse cult of all because it preaches hatred and
intolerance as you manifest day by day on this group. If you think I
am with the Way International; have them send me a check every week.
Did you call them and ask them if I was a member? They probably
wouldn't give you an answer. They wouldn't even sell me their books.
Said I had to be a member to order them.
Let's see if you are an honorable man with one shred of decency left
in you. You made the charges; now prove them to be true.
Bob, God does not wish we Christians to waste our time providing proof to
heretics like yourself when you've already made it clear to the world that
you won't listen. You've attempted to twist scripture into something it
doesn't say. You got caught. You've attempted to deny Biblical doctrine. And
again you got caught. You've attempted to smear and besmirch Christian. And
yet again you got caught.
God has promoted you to prophet? No way Jose! Christian means
disciple and you are no disciple of Jesus Christ because disciples are
known for the love they have one for another. You manifest hatred and
intolereance for anyone who does not meet your approval (disagrees
with you). You have no God given authority to determine who is or is
not a heretick, who is or is not saved, who is or is not a member of a
cult.
I did not twist scripture into something it doesn't say as evidenced
by the fact that you have not yet been able to prove even one case of
it occuring. You also lie about the atttempt to deny Biblical
doctrine. That was your false doctrine and your false doctrines are
not Biblical doctrines.
And just when did I attempt to smear and besmirch Christian? Christian
who? Christian Smith? Christian Jones? Surely, you aren't talking
about you. A Christian is a disciple and your behavior proves you are
not one of His disciples.
So what's your response after baing caught time and time again by multiple
witnesses?
My response is, you are lying again. No one caught me doing anything
wrong and there were not multiple witnesses. If you were not lying
you could prove your assertions. You can't.
Deny, deny and deny again.
That is what you do; except that you would have been more accurate if
you said llie and deny, lie and deny, and lie and deny again.
Smear, lie and besmirch.
That's what you do. You just proved that in this post.
Run away from the light of truth all you wish to, Bible Bob. You can't win
against the Word of God. Even with your arrogance and claims that your
Biblical knowledge and understanding is greater than mine, Matthew Henry,
John Wesley, Norman Geisler, Randy Ray, John Ankerberg, Walter Martin, J
Vernon McGee, Arthur Pink, Jerry Falwell, Kevin Hall, Woodrow Kroll, James
White, Oswald Chambers, David Jeremiah, James Dobson, Billy Graham, R.C.
Sproul, Adrian Rogers, Jack Graham, Ray Stedman, Doug Goins, Ron Ritchie,
Steve Zeisler, John Bunyan, C.H. Spurgeon, Jonathan Edwards, Charles Finney,
James Hastings, Josiah Evans, Colin Woodbury, Bob Tindale, John Willis,
Timothy Whitaker, etc. All of these Godly men belong to Christ and have true
authority (2 Cor. 10)...you have no authority and your heresies prove you
are not one with Christ. All of these Godly men reach out to the unreached
(2 Cor. 10)...you do not but ridicule those who do. All of these Godly men
recognized that the only thing that counts is what Christ does in
them...you, on the other hand boast of what you do for Christ. To be blunt,
all of these Godly men have more Biblical knowledge of sound doctrine in
their little finger than you have exhibited in all your posts.
Intellectually speaking, you are a flyweight compared to any of them.
Liar. Prove that I made that claim. I don't even know who they are;
but you naming them is not good for their reputation. Explain 2
Corinthians 10 to me Great Rabbi and while you are at it prove that
each of those you name does what you claim and prove that I don't.
You have shown yourself to be a phony. You commend yourself, for the most
part. You arrogantly boast of your superior knowledge, spreading it around
so everyone can see. And you are not concerned about reaching the unreached.
You are concerned only with having a little group of your own supporters,
building that to the highest number you can, and paying no attention to the
lost around. Instead you ridiculed and besmirched those who attempted to
reach the lost. You have tried to manipulate and set up various open doors
instead of following those which God opens for you. Most of all, when you
boast you've arrogantly made it clear that God is mighty lucky to have you
on his side. Those are the marks of a counterfeit. Your boasting and
bragging about your so-called superior Biblical knowledge and understanding
and also what you claim to have done for Christ further exposes your false
ministry. You've been tested Bereanically (1 Tim. 3:10) and have been found
lacking. You have shown yourself not to be above reproach, not temperate,
lacking in self-controlled, disrespectable, unhospitable, unable to teach,
not gentle, and quarrelsome. These attributes of yours (all documented via
Usenet newsgroups and searchable via Google) prohibit you from being a valid
teacher of the Word. Furthermore, due to your unsound doctrine you are not
worthy to be the deacon, teacher, minister or whatever you attempt to be on
the newsgroups and are to be avoided by Christians who DO believe in sound
doctrine.
LOL!. No, Carl, I just let you prove yourself to be a phoney. All
this yapping you have done in this post. SHow me one bit of
supporting evidence. Show me where you proved from the Scriptures
that what you lie about is true. You can't because you are a liar and
a hypocrite that has been busted as a fraud and a phoney. Everybody
that reads you knows that you are all talk and no Bible. All quote
and no word. You cannot teach Scripture because you do not know the
Scriptures because you do not do the Scriptures. You are a fake.
Now I believe I made it clear before that in accordance with scripture
(Titus 3:9,10) I am done with you since you are merely a heretic who has
willingly turned to false teachings. I made this exception since I
mistakenly attributed something Rod said with you. I admit that error and
have apologized for it. However since you have dishonestly attempted to make
it into something it's not, you only show your true colors rather than the
facade you attempted to create initially with others. I truly pity you and
will keep you into my prayers. However regardless of how much you demand I
"prove" things to you, I know you have no Biblical basis to demand such
personal proof. God knows and I know that I am saved by His grace through my
faith in my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and I need not "prove" that to you
nor anyone else. I have presented sound doctrine via sola scriptura and
backed it up even further with solid exegesis from legitimate teachers,
preachers, deacons, ministers, etc. of God's Word. That's what I am called
upon to do. I am prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks me to give
the reason for the hope that I have and I have done so to the best of my
ability with gentleness and respect so I may have a clear conscience. When
you speak maliciously against me of my good behavior in Christ, you shame
yourself with your slander.
While you are praying to the men your worship and the idol you
worship; don't mention my name. If you decide to follow the teachings
of Jesus Christ; then you can pray for me. I don't need idolators
praying to their idols on my behalf. Besides, I get along good with
God and the Lord Jesus Christ and don't need your prayers. Prayers
not done in love are worthless.
May God bless,
Carl
website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
BB
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Kill all heretics - i.e. anyone who disagrees with your fanciful
fantasies. -- L.
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:40:47 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
Kill all heretics - i.e. anyone who disagrees with your fanciful
fantasies. -- L.
?????? What kind of wacko are YOU?
in Christ Jesus,
Checker
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13 Jun 2007 07:44:45 PM |
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:40:47 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
Kill all heretics - i.e. anyone who disagrees with your fanciful
fantasies. -- L.
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