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Religions > Bible |
| User: |
"Gactimus" |
| Date: |
10 Dec 2004 02:11:42 PM |
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To All The Rabid Atheists |
Atheism is a logical way to live one's life. It compels a person to take
responsibility for his own actions and not to blame it on God, the devil or
other spiritual forces. Since an atheist believes that this physical life
is all there is he will try to make the best of it and not suffer
insufferable conditions in the hope of some imagined afterlife. If all
peoples were atheists there would be none of the conflicts we see today
that are fueled by different belief systems. Atheists are as upstanding in
general as any Christian, Jew or Buddhist. You don't have to believe in God
to be a moral person.
Having said all those nice things it is now time to take a shot at the smug
atheist worldview. The atheist thinks he has it all figured out. Atheists
can point to the contradictions in the Bible, the track record of the
Christian church, the conflicts produced by competing religions in the
world, and of course science is on their side when it comes to evolution -
the fossil record will prove evolution except to the most enthusiastic
creationist. Science also suports the view of a very old universe - no
surprise there.
Now here is the challenge: Does becoming an atheist make a person a better
human being? Does not believing in God prompt or inspire a person to
positive actions. Christianity (and other religions) can point to many,
many people whose lives were changed for the better by adopting the faith.
Can atheism make the same claim? Can atheists point to examples of people
who have had their lives positively changed? Have any drug addicts given up
their addictions as a result of discarding religion? Have any thieves
stopped stealing and started earning an honest living as a result of
becoming infidels? Have any abusive husbands stopped beating their wives as
a result of abandoning a belief in God? In short, if atheism is such a
positive way to live what real good has it done? Can it even be called a
"belief-system"? (After all it is really about a lack of belief - isn't
it?) If you would like to comment on the positive effects of atheism (if
they indeed do exist) then E-mail me your views and I will post them below.
Proving that the Bible is flawed only proves that either the Christian God
does not exist or that he has a high tolerance for incompetance and error
in his sacred book. Pointing to the performance of the Christian church and
other religions over the ages only proves that those organized religions
were flawed and perhaps do not actually represent the Creator. Pointing to
the evil in this world, the pointless deaths, the triumph of evil men, the
violence in nature - this does not prove that God does not exist - only
that he is absent from the scene or that he does not wish to intervene.
Evolution does not necessarily pre-empt God - he could easily have used
that method to produce the life diversity that we see on this earth. It
could easily be argued that life is designed to evolve on its own most of
the time and yet be subject to intervention as God desires. Debunking or
criticizing religion is mostly a negative activity. It is a positive effort
only when it frees people from a strangle-hold placed on them by too-
authoritarian beliefs. After the chains have been broken - then what? A
void has been created. Is the person really any better off than before?
Atheism is an incomplete worldview. It does work in many day to day
applications because it often does look like there is no God. The question
is does God actually not exist or has God just gone off somewhere? Is God
there but not intervening? Please feel free to offer your coments.
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| User: "Milan" |
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| Title: Re: To All The Rabid Atheists |
11 Dec 2004 08:36:42 PM |
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:1102709502.cbd52fdeb44ae8d9919b2b9a8eb313a6@bubbanews...
Atheism is a logical way to live one's life. It compels a person to take
responsibility for his own actions and not to blame it on God, the devil
or
other spiritual forces. Since an atheist believes that this physical life
is all there is he will try to make the best of it and not suffer
insufferable conditions in the hope of some imagined afterlife. If all
peoples were atheists there would be none of the conflicts we see today
that are fueled by different belief systems. Atheists are as upstanding in
general as any Christian, Jew or Buddhist. You don't have to believe in
God
to be a moral person.
Having said all those nice things it is now time to take a shot at the
smug
atheist worldview. The atheist thinks he has it all figured out.
This is an odd statement. The atheist simply thinks there is no reason to
believe in gods. This is a far cry from having it all "figured out".
Atheists
can point to the contradictions in the Bible, the track record of the
Christian church, the conflicts produced by competing religions in the
world, and of course science is on their side when it comes to evolution -
the fossil record will prove evolution except to the most enthusiastic
creationist. Science also suports the view of a very old universe - no
surprise there.
Now here is the challenge: Does becoming an atheist make a person a better
human being?
If abandoning superstitions and irrational beliefs makes you a better human
being, yes. And I think that this is an important point.
Does not believing in God prompt or inspire a person to
positive actions. Christianity (and other religions) can point to many,
many people whose lives were changed for the better by adopting the faith.
In what ways were they changed for the better? And if they changed for the
better, why is belief in the supernatural a reasonable way of changing for
the better?
Can atheism make the same claim? Can atheists point to examples of people
who have had their lives positively changed? Have any drug addicts given
up
their addictions as a result of discarding religion? Have any thieves
stopped stealing and started earning an honest living as a result of
becoming infidels? Have any abusive husbands stopped beating their wives
as
a result of abandoning a belief in God?
Why would a embracing fairy tales be necessary to achieve these goals?
In short, if atheism is such a
positive way to live what real good has it done? Can it even be called a
"belief-system"? (After all it is really about a lack of belief - isn't
it?) If you would like to comment on the positive effects of atheism (if
they indeed do exist) then E-mail me your views and I will post them
below.
Atheism is not a belief system. And it is not AA either.
Proving that the Bible is flawed only proves that either the Christian God
does not exist or that he has a high tolerance for incompetance and error
in his sacred book. Pointing to the performance of the Christian church
and
other religions over the ages only proves that those organized religions
were flawed and perhaps do not actually represent the Creator. Pointing to
the evil in this world, the pointless deaths, the triumph of evil men, the
violence in nature - this does not prove that God does not exist - only
that he is absent from the scene or that he does not wish to intervene.
Evolution does not necessarily pre-empt God - he could easily have used
that method to produce the life diversity that we see on this earth. It
could easily be argued that life is designed to evolve on its own most of
the time and yet be subject to intervention as God desires. Debunking or
criticizing religion is mostly a negative activity. It is a positive
effort
only when it frees people from a strangle-hold placed on them by too-
authoritarian beliefs. After the chains have been broken - then what? A
void has been created. Is the person really any better off than before?
Yes, they are free from superstition.
Atheism is an incomplete worldview. It does work in many day to day
applications because it often does look like there is no God. The question
is does God actually not exist or has God just gone off somewhere? Is God
there but not intervening? Please feel free to offer your coments.
There is no evidence for gods, therefore there is no reason to believe in
gods. This is about it.
regards
Milan
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: To All The Rabid Atheists |
10 Dec 2004 02:31:03 PM |
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:1102709502.cbd52fdeb44ae8d9919b2b9a8eb313a6@bubbanews...
Atheism is a logical way to live one's life.
Then be an atheist.
It compels a person to take
responsibility for his own actions and not to blame it on God,
I believe in God and I take full responsibility for my own actions.
the devil or
other spiritual forces. Since an atheist believes that this physical life
is all there is he will try to make the best of it and not suffer
insufferable conditions in the hope of some imagined afterlife.
If an atheist wishes to close his/her mind, that is their choice
God has given us free will.
If all
peoples were atheists there would be none of the conflicts we see today
that are fueled by different belief systems.
That is not true.
Atheists are as upstanding in
general as any Christian, Jew or Buddhist. You don't have to believe in
God
to be a moral person.
A person is free to choose to believe or not to believe
Having said all those nice things it is now time to take a shot at the
smug
atheist worldview. The atheist thinks he has it all figured out.
That is the general feeling I gathered from talking to atheist, they think
they have all the answers but they can't answer the questions
Atheists
can point to the contradictions in the Bible,
Usually because they can't read the bible nor have they taken the time to
actually learn. I have a program on my computer, that is very deep in
explaining biblical text. It is a HUGE program, with experts from present
to past that explain what the verses mean. Usually when an atheist points to
a verse, I very simply go to my esword program, get the explanations, and
they end up shutting up.
the track record of the
Christian church, the conflicts produced by competing religions in the
world, and of course science is on their side when it comes to evolution -
the fossil record will prove evolution except to the most enthusiastic
creationist. Science also suports the view of a very old universe - no
surprise there.
There is absolutely no reason why science and a belief in God can coexist
Now here is the challenge: Does becoming an atheist make a person a better
human being?
No
Does not believing in God prompt or inspire a person to
positive actions.
I have seen many examples of that.
Christianity (and other religions) can point to many,
many people whose lives were changed for the better by adopting the faith.
Can atheism make the same claim?
No
Can atheists point to examples of people
who have had their lives positively changed?
No
Have any drug addicts given up
their addictions as a result of discarding religion?
I have not heard of any
Have any thieves
stopped stealing and started earning an honest living as a result of
becoming infidels?
I have not heard of any
Have any abusive husbands stopped beating their wives as
a result of abandoning a belief in God?
I have not heard of any
In short, if atheism is such a
positive way to live what real good has it done? Can it even be called a
"belief-system"? (After all it is really about a lack of belief - isn't
it?) If you would like to comment on the positive effects of atheism (if
they indeed do exist) then E-mail me your views and I will post them
below.
Proving that the Bible is flawed only proves that either the Christian God
does not exist or that he has a high tolerance for incompetance and error
in his sacred book. Pointing to the performance of the Christian church
and
other religions over the ages only proves that those organized religions
were flawed and perhaps do not actually represent the Creator. Pointing to
the evil in this world, the pointless deaths, the triumph of evil men, the
violence in nature - this does not prove that God does not exist - only
that he is absent from the scene or that he does not wish to intervene.
Evolution does not necessarily pre-empt God - he could easily have used
that method to produce the life diversity that we see on this earth. It
could easily be argued that life is designed to evolve on its own most of
the time and yet be subject to intervention as God desires. Debunking or
criticizing religion is mostly a negative activity. It is a positive
effort
only when it frees people from a strangle-hold placed on them by too-
authoritarian beliefs. After the chains have been broken - then what? A
void has been created. Is the person really any better off than before?
Atheism is an incomplete worldview. It does work in many day to day
applications because it often does look like there is no God. The question
is does God actually not exist or has God just gone off somewhere? Is God
there but not intervening? Please feel free to offer your coments.
Your post is excellent!!!! Great view of both sides
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| User: "Jeff George" |
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| Title: Re: To All The Rabid Atheists |
15 Dec 2004 09:46:18 AM |
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:07:00 -0500 I used my godlike powers to observe
the following from "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>:
"Jeff George" <george666@comcast.net.munged> wrote in message
news:rlkur094l3846f640ma0vhbrmjrub5ljvc@4ax.com...
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:31:03 -0500 I used my godlike powers to observe
the following from "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:1102709502.cbd52fdeb44ae8d9919b2b9a8eb313a6@bubbanews...
other spiritual forces. Since an atheist believes that this physical
life
is all there is he will try to make the best of it and not suffer
insufferable conditions in the hope of some imagined afterlife.
If an atheist wishes to close his/her mind, that is their choice
God has given us free will.
Only people that believe fairy tales to be truth have closed their
minds.
Well, since you can't prove that God is a fairy tale or there is or isn't
life after death...I guess you have pretty much nothing else to say.
Your god is a fairy tale until proven otherwise, which can't be done
because your god doesn't exist.
If all peoples were atheists there would be none of the conflicts we see today
that are fueled by different belief systems.
That is not true.
Of course it is. If no one believes in different versions of deities,
why would anyone fight over them? You are demonstrating the lack of
critical thinking that sky fairy worshippers are known for.
You already demonstrated your lack of critical thinking by closing off any
possibility that you could be wrong.
Wrong about what? If you god, prove its existence. If no one believed
in different religions why would anyone fight over religion? Don't try
to cover up your ignorance.
Atheists are as upstanding in
general as any Christian, Jew or Buddhist. You don't have to believe in
God to be a moral person.
A person is free to choose to believe or not to believe
Just like a person is free to remain ignorant or open their eyes to
reality.
I like how you talk about people closing their minds, yet here is an example
of you closing yours. You resort to calling others ignorant because they
believe in a supreme being. Yet you can't admit that you don't know or you
could be wrong.
I know that no evidence of any "supreme" being has been presented.
Ever. Therefore, until it is presented such a thing is only
superstition.
Having said all those nice things it is now time to take a shot at the
smug atheist worldview. The atheist thinks he has it all figured out.
That is the general feeling I gathered from talking to atheist, they think
they have all the answers but they can't answer the questions
Which questions?
I'm still waiting for you to tell us which questions atheists can't
answer.
Atheists can point to the contradictions in the Bible,
Usually because they can't read the bible nor have they taken the time to
actually learn.
Wrong. Many atheists come from a background of being a theist. And
then they became smart.
ROFL..yea..o.k.
Nothing else to say to that? I am speaking from first hand experience
and know many others who took the same path. Only when you see issues
from both sides do you have enough data to make an intelligent
decision.
I have a program on my computer, that is very deep in
explaining biblical text. It is a HUGE program, with experts from present
to past that explain what the verses mean. Usually when an atheist points
to a verse, I very simply go to my esword program, get the explanations, and
they end up shutting up.
Yeah, right.
Uh huh..it is right.
Prove it.
the track record of the
Christian church, the conflicts produced by competing religions in the
world, and of course science is on their side when it comes to
evolution - the fossil record will prove evolution except to the most enthusiastic
creationist. Science also suports the view of a very old universe - no
surprise there.
There is absolutely no reason why science and a belief in God can coexist
Correct, there is absolutely no reason.
I'm glad that we agree that there is no reason science and mythology
can coexist.
Now here is the challenge: Does becoming an atheist make a person a
better human being?
No
Yes.
No
Prove it.
Does not believing in God prompt or inspire a person to
positive actions.
I have seen many examples of that.
Yes. Atheists do good works of their own free will and for the benefit
of mankind.
Yes, and so do people who believe in God.
No, they don't. They do it because they feel they have to.
Christianity (and other religions) can point to many,
many people whose lives were changed for the better by adopting the
faith.
Can atheism make the same claim?
No
Yes.
No
Prove it.
Can atheists point to examples of people
who have had their lives positively changed?
No
Yes.
Sigh...once again...no
You don't get out much, do you? My life was changed for the better
when I left primitive superstitions behind. I'm just one example.
Have any drug addicts given up
their addictions as a result of discarding religion?
I have not heard of any
If you haven't heard of it happening I guess it never has.
Have any thieves
stopped stealing and started earning an honest living as a result of
becoming infidels?
I have not heard of any
Chalk up another one for your life experience.
Actually I am chalking up a lot for your lack of life experience
I've lived more, and experienced more, than you ever will. Your
answers in this thread prove that.
Have any abusive husbands stopped beating their wives as
a result of abandoning a belief in God?
I have not heard of any
That's because xians live very sheltered lives.
Really? Care to prove that.
Look at yourself for a prime example. You aren't even aware of things
going on around you in the world, as shown by all your "no" answers
above.
I believe in God..start with my life.. I don't need to tell you anything
about it because you seem to think you know already.
You can believe all you want, but a belief is nothing more than an
opinion, not fact.
--
You start a war of imperialist conquest with the
Administration you have, not the Administration
you wish you had.
- Ronald Dumsfeld, Secretary to the Defenseless
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: To All The Rabid Atheists |
15 Dec 2004 11:40:21 PM |
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Jeff George wrote:
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:07:00 -0500 I used my godlike powers to observe
the following from "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>:
"Jeff George" <george666@comcast.net.munged> wrote in message
news:rlkur094l3846f640ma0vhbrmjrub5ljvc@4ax.com...
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:31:03 -0500 I used my godlike powers to observe
the following from "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:1102709502.cbd52fdeb44ae8d9919b2b9a8eb313a6@bubbanews...
other spiritual forces. Since an atheist believes that this physical
life
is all there is he will try to make the best of it and not suffer
insufferable conditions in the hope of some imagined afterlife.
If an atheist wishes to close his/her mind, that is their choice
God has given us free will.
Only people that believe fairy tales to be truth have closed their
minds.
Well, since you can't prove that God is a fairy tale or there is or isn't
life after death...I guess you have pretty much nothing else to say.
Your god is a fairy tale until proven otherwise, which can't be done
because your god doesn't exist.
If all peoples were atheists there would be none of the conflicts we see today
that are fueled by different belief systems.
That is not true.
Of course it is. If no one believes in different versions of deities,
why would anyone fight over them? You are demonstrating the lack of
critical thinking that sky fairy worshippers are known for.
You already demonstrated your lack of critical thinking by closing off any
possibility that you could be wrong.
Wrong about what? If you god, prove its existence. If no one believed
in different religions why would anyone fight over religion? Don't try
to cover up your ignorance.
Atheists are as upstanding in
general as any Christian, Jew or Buddhist. You don't have to believe in
God to be a moral person.
A person is free to choose to believe or not to believe
Just like a person is free to remain ignorant or open their eyes to
reality.
I like how you talk about people closing their minds, yet here is an example
of you closing yours. You resort to calling others ignorant because they
believe in a supreme being. Yet you can't admit that you don't know or you
could be wrong.
I know that no evidence of any "supreme" being has been presented.
Ever. Therefore, until it is presented such a thing is only
superstition.
Having said all those nice things it is now time to take a shot at the
smug atheist worldview. The atheist thinks he has it all figured out.
That is the general feeling I gathered from talking to atheist, they think
they have all the answers but they can't answer the questions
Which questions?
I'm still waiting for you to tell us which questions atheists can't
answer.
Atheists can point to the contradictions in the Bible,
Usually because they can't read the bible nor have they taken the time to
actually learn.
Wrong. Many atheists come from a background of being a theist. And
then they became smart.
ROFL..yea..o.k.
Nothing else to say to that? I am speaking from first hand experience
and know many others who took the same path. Only when you see issues
from both sides do you have enough data to make an intelligent
decision.
IMO we deal here with the majority of atheists. After all if they went to school in USA
or in Europe or South america they would have gotten a pretty heavy religious
indoctrination which they chose, on reaching the age where they were free to decide for
themselves, to decide was purly superstition.
I did the whole thing, sunday school, was forced to swear to The Creed at High School [a
whole list of lies] and got confirmed, in the army, would you believe.
Then I started to travel overseas and saw other religions at work. The penny dropped. It
was all superstition, and dangerous too - humanty as it exists today may well perish in
the name of a religion within the next decade.
Possibly sixty percent of Pakistanis, if they were given a nuclear device, would have no
qualms about detonating same in any Christian country shouting "death to the Infidels".
In the name of their imaginary Allah they wipe out the followers of an imaginary Christ.
That is why I am an atheist. I believe in humanity and hope for sanity. The best hope
may come from the most populated state - China, they have around a billion atheists and
are the greatest bulwark against rampant reigionists. Want to make a Chinese laugh? Ask
him or her about religion.
Note Emmett's final sentence below:
Bob
Humanist Brit
Hong Kong
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is human concern,
and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind cannot begin to understand.
And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old religion, it is not a new and coming
religion, in fact it is not, and never has been, a religion at all. The definition of
Atheism is magnificent in its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a
world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
I have a program on my computer, that is very deep in
explaining biblical text. It is a HUGE program, with experts from present
to past that explain what the verses mean. Usually when an atheist points
to a verse, I very simply go to my esword program, get the explanations, and
they end up shutting up.
Yeah, right.
Uh huh..it is right.
Prove it.
the track record of the
Christian church, the conflicts produced by competing religions in the
world, and of course science is on their side when it comes to
evolution - the fossil record will prove evolution except to the most enthusiastic
creationist. Science also suports the view of a very old universe - no
surprise there.
There is absolutely no reason why science and a belief in God can coexist
Correct, there is absolutely no reason.
I'm glad that we agree that there is no reason science and mythology
can coexist.
Now here is the challenge: Does becoming an atheist make a person a
better human being?
No
Yes.
No
Prove it.
Does not believing in God prompt or inspire a person to
positive actions.
I have seen many examples of that.
Yes. Atheists do good works of their own free will and for the benefit
of mankind.
Yes, and so do people who believe in God.
No, they don't. They do it because they feel they have to.
Christianity (and other religions) can point to many,
many people whose lives were changed for the better by adopting the
faith.
Can atheism make the same claim?
No
Yes.
No
Prove it.
Can atheists point to examples of people
who have had their lives positively changed?
No
Yes.
Sigh...once again...no
You don't get out much, do you? My life was changed for the better
when I left primitive superstitions behind. I'm just one example.
Have any drug addicts given up
their addictions as a result of discarding religion?
I have not heard of any
If you haven't heard of it happening I guess it never has.
Have any thieves
stopped stealing and started earning an honest living as a result of
becoming infidels?
I have not heard of any
Chalk up another one for your life experience.
Actually I am chalking up a lot for your lack of life experience
I've lived more, and experienced more, than you ever will. Your
answers in this thread prove that.
Have any abusive husbands stopped beating their wives as
a result of abandoning a belief in God?
I have not heard of any
That's because xians live very sheltered lives.
Really? Care to prove that.
Look at yourself for a prime example. You aren't even aware of things
going on around you in the world, as shown by all your "no" answers
above.
I believe in God..start with my life.. I don't need to tell you anything
about it because you seem to think you know already.
You can believe all you want, but a belief is nothing more than an
opinion, not fact.
--
You start a war of imperialist conquest with the
Administration you have, not the Administration
you wish you had.
- Ronald Dumsfeld, Secretary to the Defenseless
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: To All The Rabid Atheists |
16 Dec 2004 07:58:11 AM |
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I'm new in this discusion, and I would like to make some comments:
If all peoples were atheists there would be none of the conflicts
we see today
that are fueled by different belief systems.
That is not true.
Of course it is. If no one believes in different versions of
deities,
why would anyone fight over them? You are demonstrating the lack of
critical thinking that sky fairy worshippers are known for.
You already demonstrated your lack of critical thinking by closing off
any
possibility that you could be wrong.
By definition, an atheist doesn't believe in any unproved thing, but is
always open to accept the proved facts, unlike many religious persons.}
Christianity (and other religions) can point to many,
many people whose lives were changed for the better by adopting the
faith.
Can atheism make the same claim?
What you're saying is all religious persons are good? If you do, then
you should go out more often. Many religious persons are killing in the
name of god (whichever god)
There is absolutely no reason why science and a belief in God can
coexist
In the past, christian religions and many others punished scientific
investigations. (Do you remember Galileo?) Nowadays in the USA, the
right wing (christian) administration banned the investigation with
embryo mother cells.
In general, many religious persons are more hypocritical than atheist,
since they (the religious) have to hide their natural feelings, like
sex. And I'm not talking without knowing, I've known many christians
who enjoy pornography or sex, but hidding from the rest of the people,
and feeling guilty. That's unnatural!!
"Eppur si muove!!" Galileo Galilei
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| User: "joseph irvin" |
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| Title: Re: To All The Rabid Atheists |
16 Dec 2004 01:56:38 PM |
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<Prometheida@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1103205490.975997.171510@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
I'm new in this discusion, and I would like to make some comments:
If all peoples were atheists there would be none of the conflicts
we see today
that are fueled by different belief systems.
That is not true.
Of course it is. If no one believes in different versions of
deities,
why would anyone fight over them? You are demonstrating the lack of
critical thinking that sky fairy worshippers are known for.
You already demonstrated your lack of critical thinking by closing off
any
possibility that you could be wrong.
By definition, an atheist doesn't believe in any unproved thing, but is
always open to accept the proved facts, unlike many religious persons.}
If atheist only believe in things that can be proven then atheist know the
answer to creation....how it all began. If they do not know this answer
then they are in the same boat as Christians, relying on faith as how it all
began. Why would one try and marginalize Christians for having faith when
atheist do the same...no theories please just facts. Being really and truly
objective can only be attained by a Being who is outside/transcends this
world and knows everything as it really and truly is....do you agree?
Christianity (and other religions) can point to many,
many people whose lives were changed for the better by adopting the
faith.
Can atheism make the same claim?
What you're saying is all religious persons are good? If you do, then
you should go out more often. Many religious persons are killing in the
name of god (whichever god)
There is absolutely no reason why science and a belief in God can
coexist
In the past, christian religions and many others punished scientific
investigations. (Do you remember Galileo?) Nowadays in the USA, the
right wing (christian) administration banned the investigation with
embryo mother cells.
In general, many religious persons are more hypocritical than atheist,
since they (the religious) have to hide their natural feelings, like
sex. And I'm not talking without knowing, I've known many christians
who enjoy pornography or sex, but hidding from the rest of the people,
and feeling guilty. That's unnatural!!
"Eppur si muove!!" Galileo Galilei
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| User: "bob young" |
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17 Dec 2004 04:34:02 AM |
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joseph irvin wrote:
<Prometheida@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1103205490.975997.171510@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
I'm new in this discusion, and I would like to make some comments:
If all peoples were atheists there would be none of the conflicts
we see today
that are fueled by different belief systems.
That is not true.
Of course it is. If no one believes in different versions of
deities,
why would anyone fight over them? You are demonstrating the lack of
critical thinking that sky fairy worshippers are known for.
You already demonstrated your lack of critical thinking by closing off
any
possibility that you could be wrong.
By definition, an atheist doesn't believe in any unproved thing, but is
always open to accept the proved facts, unlike many religious persons.}
If atheist only believe in things that can be proven then atheist know the
answer to creation....how it all began.
Nonsense. atheists accepting what is shown to be basic common sense and proven
in no way mean atheists know how this world came into being. No-one knows.
Only silly superstitious people think they do.
To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that
the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are
nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason
otherwise ... without plunging into the fathomless abyss of dreams and
phantasms. I am satisfied, and sufficiently occupied with the things
which are, without tormenting or troubling myself about those which
may indeed be, but of which I have no evidence.
[Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, August 15, 1820]
If they do not know this answer
then they are in the same boat as Christians, relying on faith as how it all
began. Why would one try and marginalize Christians for having faith when
atheist do the same...no theories please just facts. Being really and truly
objective can only be attained by a Being who is outside/transcends this
world and knows everything as it really and truly is....do you agree?
Christianity (and other religions) can point to many,
many people whose lives were changed for the better by adopting the
faith.
Can atheism make the same claim?
What you're saying is all religious persons are good? If you do, then
you should go out more often. Many religious persons are killing in the
name of god (whichever god)
There is absolutely no reason why science and a belief in God can
coexist
In the past, christian religions and many others punished scientific
investigations. (Do you remember Galileo?) Nowadays in the USA, the
right wing (christian) administration banned the investigation with
embryo mother cells.
In general, many religious persons are more hypocritical than atheist,
since they (the religious) have to hide their natural feelings, like
sex. And I'm not talking without knowing, I've known many christians
who enjoy pornography or sex, but hidding from the rest of the people,
and feeling guilty. That's unnatural!!
"Eppur si muove!!" Galileo Galilei
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| User: "joseph irvin" |
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18 Dec 2004 11:54:59 AM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:41C2B619.146B0713@netvigator.com...
joseph irvin wrote:
<Prometheida@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1103205490.975997.171510@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
I'm new in this discusion, and I would like to make some comments:
If all peoples were atheists there would be none of the conflicts
we see today
that are fueled by different belief systems.
That is not true.
Of course it is. If no one believes in different versions of
deities,
why would anyone fight over them? You are demonstrating the lack of
critical thinking that sky fairy worshippers are known for.
You already demonstrated your lack of critical thinking by closing
off
any
possibility that you could be wrong.
By definition, an atheist doesn't believe in any unproved thing, but
is
always open to accept the proved facts, unlike many religious
persons.}
If atheist only believe in things that can be proven then atheist know
the
answer to creation....how it all began.
Nonsense. atheists accepting what is shown to be basic common sense and
proven
in no way mean atheists know how this world came into being. No-one
knows.
I was assuming that atheists had a world view....no world view, we are just
here for no reason it just happened? Common sense is not so common, what is
common sense to you may not be common sense to someone else....which is an
act of faith/belief itself....that every has the same common sense. If you
are married can you prove that your wife loves you?...isn't that an act of
faith? Is it provable?
Only silly superstitious people think they do.
I'm assuming you believe this because it is unprovable?
To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that
the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are
nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason
otherwise ... without plunging into the fathomless abyss of dreams and
phantasms. I am satisfied, and sufficiently occupied with the things
which are, without tormenting or troubling myself about those which
may indeed be, but of which I have no evidence.
[Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, August 15, 1820]
But TJ was supposedly a Deist which is a belief that when taken to its end
has to have faith...something that cannot be proven. Why did he attend
church services
If they do not know this answer
then they are in the same boat as Christians, relying on faith as how it
all
began. Why would one try and marginalize Christians for having faith
when
atheist do the same...no theories please just facts. Being really and
truly
objective can only be attained by a Being who is outside/transcends this
world and knows everything as it really and truly is....do you agree?
(snip)
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| User: "bob young" |
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22 Dec 2004 12:07:49 AM |
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joseph irvin wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:41C2B619.146B0713@netvigator.com...
joseph irvin wrote:
<Prometheida@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1103205490.975997.171510@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
I'm new in this discusion, and I would like to make some comments:
If all peoples were atheists there would be none of the conflicts
we see today
that are fueled by different belief systems.
That is not true.
Of course it is. If no one believes in different versions of
deities,
why would anyone fight over them? You are demonstrating the lack of
critical thinking that sky fairy worshippers are known for.
You already demonstrated your lack of critical thinking by closing
off
any
possibility that you could be wrong.
By definition, an atheist doesn't believe in any unproved thing, but
is
always open to accept the proved facts, unlike many religious
persons.}
If atheist only believe in things that can be proven then atheist know
the
answer to creation....how it all began.
Nonsense. atheists accepting what is shown to be basic common sense and
proven
in no way mean atheists know how this world came into being. No-one
knows.
I was assuming that atheists had a world view....no world view, we are just
here for no reason it just happened?
Thats the way it should be left until it is shown otherwise. Grovelling to an
imaginary god achieves nothing.
Common sense is not so common, what is
common sense to you may not be common sense to someone else....which is an
act of faith/belief itself....that every has the same common sense.
Faith is believing what you know ain'
It is pointless, your point i mean
If you
are married can you prove that your wife loves you?...isn't that an act of
faith? Is it provable?
Only silly superstitious people think they do.
I'm assuming you believe this because it is unprovable?
I beleive in a god, you can't prove that god don't exist, so I'm sane. Well
your faith will keep you down your road, not mine.
To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that
the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are
nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason
otherwise ... without plunging into the fathomless abyss of dreams and
phantasms. I am satisfied, and sufficiently occupied with the things
which are, without tormenting or troubling myself about those which
may indeed be, but of which I have no evidence.
[Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, August 15, 1820]
But TJ was supposedly a Deist which is a belief that when taken to its end
has to have faith...something that cannot be proven. Why did he attend
church services
Maybe because he was concious of being criticised my the masses if he didn't,
there are a good many like that, even today. I used to be myself once, before
I saw the sillyness of it all
If they do not know this answer
then they are in the same boat as Christians, relying on faith as how it
all
began. Why would one try and marginalize Christians for having faith
when
atheist do the same...no theories please just facts. Being really and
truly
objective can only be attained by a Being who is outside/transcends this
world and knows everything as it really and truly is....do you agree?
(snip)
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| User: "" |
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17 Dec 2004 08:50:55 AM |
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In talk.atheism wrote:
By definition, an atheist doesn't believe in any unproved thing, but is
always open to accept the proved facts, unlike many religious persons.}
No, by definition, an atheist doesn't believe in any god. Nothing more and
nothing less. Atheists can (and often do) believe in any number of other
equally unproven things.
--
Mike
W hat atheism: a non-prophet organization...
W ould
J enna
D rink?
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Creation Science: an oxymoron actually created by morons...
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Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you
do criticize them, you're a mile away, and you have their shoes.
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"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop
thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do
we," George W. "Shrub" Bush Aug 5, 2004
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The only product that Micro$oft could produce that *wouldn't* suck would be a
vacuum cleaner..
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| User: "" |
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02 Jan 2005 06:22:26 AM |
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Atheists can (and often do) believe in any number of other
equally unproven things.
Yes? mmm... tell me which one?
No, by definition, an atheist doesn't believe in any go
Have you ever read George Bernard Shaw? I think you should
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| User: "" |
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06 Jan 2005 01:42:03 PM |
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In talk.atheism wrote:
Atheists can (and often do) believe in any number of other
equally unproven things.
Yes? mmm... tell me which one?
Atheists can (and sometimes do) believe in ghosts, ESP, magic, etc. They can
also have various phobias, etc. that are equally irrational (I happen to
have a phobia of heights, myself. Even knowing that it's irrational doesn't
mean I can force myself to not have it.)
No, by definition, an atheist doesn't believe in any go
Have you ever read George Bernard Shaw? I think you should
If you diagree with the above, then what (in YOUR words, not in someone
else's) do you say an atheist is?
--
Mike
W hat atheism: a non-prophet organization...
W ould
J enna
D rink?
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Creation Science: an oxymoron actually created by morons...
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Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you
do criticize them, you're a mile away, and you have their shoes.
-------------------------------
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop
thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do
we," George W. "Shrub" Bush Aug 5, 2004
-------------------------------
The only product that Micro$oft could produce that *wouldn't* suck would be a
vacuum cleaner..
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| User: "George Peatty" |
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16 Dec 2004 08:04:21 PM |
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On 16 Dec 2004 05:58:11 -0800, wrote:
By definition, an atheist doesn't believe in any unproved thing, but is
always open to accept the proved facts, unlike many religious persons.
Seek not to understand that you may believe. Seek to believe that you may
understand. -- Augustine.
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| User: "bob young" |
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13 Dec 2004 07:43:34 PM |
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Osprey wrote:
"Jeff George" <george666@comcast.net.munged> wrote in message
news:rlkur094l3846f640ma0vhbrmjrub5ljvc@4ax.com...
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:31:03 -0500 I used my godlike powers to observe
the following from "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:1102709502.cbd52fdeb44ae8d9919b2b9a8eb313a6@bubbanews...
other spiritual forces. Since an atheist believes that this physical
life
is all there is he will try to make the best of it and not suffer
insufferable conditions in the hope of some imagined afterlife.
If an atheist wishes to close his/her mind, that is their choice
God has given us free will.
Only people that believe fairy tales to be truth have closed their
minds.
Well, since you can't prove that God is a fairy tale or there is or isn't
life after death...I guess you have pretty much nothing else to say.
In reply to my post just above this one you claim one can be non religious and
still believe there is a god!
Seems to me you come here just to make cocky replies without any concern about
being consistent.
When a man says that he is perfect already, there is only one of two
places for him, and that is heaven or the lunatic asylum.
[Henry Ward Beecher]
If all
peoples were atheists there would be none of the conflicts we see today
that are fueled by different belief systems.
That is not true.
Of course it is. If no one believes in different versions of deities,
why would anyone fight over them? You are demonstrating the lack of
critical thinking that sky fairy worshippers are known for.
You already demonstrated your lack of critical thinking by closing off any
possibility that you could be wrong.
Atheists are as upstanding in
general as any Christian, Jew or Buddhist. You don't have to believe in
God to be a moral person.
A person is free to choose to believe or not to believe
Just like a person is free to remain ignorant or open their eyes to
reality.
I like how you talk about people closing their minds, yet here is an example
of you closing yours. You resort to calling others ignorant because they
believe in a supreme being. Yet you can't admit that you don't know or you
could be wrong.
Having said all those nice things it is now time to take a shot at the
smug atheist worldview. The atheist thinks he has it all figured out.
That is the general feeling I gathered from talking to atheist, they think
they have all the answers but they can't answer the questions
Which questions?
Atheists can point to the contradictions in the Bible,
Usually because they can't read the bible nor have they taken the time to
actually learn.
Wrong. Many atheists come from a background of being a theist. And
then they became smart.
ROFL..yea..o.k.
I have a program on my computer, that is very deep in
explaining biblical text. It is a HUGE program, with experts from present
to past that explain what the verses mean. Usually when an atheist points
to
a verse, I very simply go to my esword program, get the explanations, and
they end up shutting up.
Yeah, right.
Uh huh..it is right.
the track record of the
Christian church, the conflicts produced by competing religions in the
world, and of course science is on their side when it comes to
evolution -
the fossil record will prove evolution except to the most enthusiastic
creationist. Science also suports the view of a very old universe - no
surprise there.
There is absolutely no reason why science and a belief in God can coexist
Correct, there is absolutely no reason.
Now here is the challenge: Does becoming an atheist make a person a
better
human being?
No
Yes.
No
Does not believing in God prompt or inspire a person to
positive actions.
I have seen many examples of that.
Yes. Atheists do good works of their own free will and for the benefit
of mankind.
Yes, and so do people who believe in God.
Christianity (and other religions) can point to many,
many people whose lives were changed for the better by adopting the
faith.
Can atheism make the same claim?
No
Yes.
No
Can atheists point to examples of people
who have had their lives positively changed?
No
Yes.
Sigh...once again...no
Have any drug addicts given up
their addictions as a result of discarding religion?
I have not heard of any
If you haven't heard of it happening I guess it never has.
Have any thieves
stopped stealing and started earning an honest living as a result of
becoming infidels?
I have not heard of any
Chalk up another one for your life experience.
Actually I am chalking up a lot for your lack of life experience
Have any abusive husbands stopped beating their wives as
a result of abandoning a belief in God?
I have not heard of any
That's because xians live very sheltered lives.
Really? Care to prove that.
I believe in God..start with my life.. I don't need to tell you anything
about it because you seem to think you know already.
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| User: "chris" |
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10 Dec 2004 03:46:41 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Atheism is a logical way to live one's life. It compels a person to take
responsibility for his own actions and not to blame it on God, the devil or
other spiritual forces.
Does becoming an atheist make a person a better
human being?
I think you answered your own question. Namely, yes.
Does not believing in God prompt or inspire a person to
positive actions.
Not in itself, but then neither does christianity. Not many sects
seem to believe in salvation through good works anymore. Most say it
is enough just to believe.
It is up to the individual to decide to perform 'positive actions'.
As you said:
Since an atheist believes that this physical life
is all there is he will try to make the best of it and not suffer
insufferable conditions in the hope of some imagined afterlife.
The logical extension of this is to help make the world a better place
since it is the only world we have.
Many christians, on the other hand, don't care what they do to their
families, friends, neighbors, environment, etc. because they "know"
they will be forgiven the next time they go into the confessional or
even pray on their own for forgiveness.
Christianity (and other religions) can point to many,
many people whose lives were changed for the better by adopting the faith.
Can atheism make the same claim? Can atheists point to examples of people
who have had their lives positively changed?
Perhaps not many, but some. Douglas Adams, for one, was said to have
become more productive once he realized that religion was just a bunch
of nonsense.
Have any abusive husbands stopped beating their wives as
a result of abandoning a belief in God?
Perhaps not but, compared to the number of husbands who *started*
beating their wives because the bible says so, zero's not half bad.
In short, if atheism is such a
positive way to live what real good has it done?
I think you may be putting words in people's mouths. I don't know
that atheism in itself is claimed to be a positive way to live. As I
said above, it is up to the individual do decide how to behave, no
matter what he believes.
Doubting the church led us out of the dark ages. Christianity has
stifled scientific advance since Roman times.
Can it even be called a
"belief-system"? (After all it is really about a lack of belief - isn't
it?)
Well, if you're playing semantics, no. Nontheism is the lack of
belief. Atheism is the belief that there is no god.
...Pointing to
the evil in this world, the pointless deaths, the triumph of evil men, the
violence in nature
Atheists don't believe in evil, that's a christian concept.
Evolution does not necessarily pre-empt God - he could easily have used
that method to produce the life diversity that we see on this earth.
That's the kind of god America's deist founding fathers had in mind.
But I can hardly believe you're claiming your god is that distant,
unattentive, and pathetic.
Chris
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| User: "Carol Lee Smith" |
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11 Dec 2004 12:08:09 AM |
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On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, chris wrote:
Nontheism is the lack of
belief. Atheism is the belief that there is no god.
a = without
a + symmetry = asymmetry, without symmetry.
a + moral = amoral -- without morals.
a + theism = without theism.
Atheists don't believe in evil, that's a christian concept.
As is the devil.
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| User: "Snidely F Whiplash" |
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17 Dec 2004 10:48:14 AM |
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Gactimus sprouted many words...
<paraphrase>
There is a gawd because bad people become good people when they
convert to christianity from some unspecified former belief system.
Have any of you atheists become good people after rejecting gawd
and embracing atheism?
</paraphrase>
Ahhh, yes... Our nation's prisons are filled with your "good christian
people." And I won't even mention a certain historical figure...
Yeah, I'm convinced. Belief in christianity is the ONLY way in which
one can become a good person... Sure.
Kindest Regards.
Snidely
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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17 Dec 2004 11:51:41 AM |
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"Snidely F Whiplash" <Muttly@doghouse.com> wrote in
news:9KydncyJ8_VTkF7cRVn-jw@giganews.com:
Gactimus sprouted many words...
<paraphrase>
There is a gawd because bad people become good people when they
convert to christianity from some unspecified former belief system.
Have any of you atheists become good people after rejecting gawd
and embracing atheism?
</paraphrase>
Ahhh, yes... Our nation's prisons are filled with your "good christian
people."
Obviously not since one goes to prison for being a "bad person".
Yeah, I'm convinced. Belief in christianity is the ONLY way in which
one can become a good person... Sure.
In other words, you can't explain anything beneficial about atheism. So
noted.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: To All The Rabid Atheists |
17 Dec 2004 08:22:01 PM |
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Gactimus wrote:
"Snidely F Whiplash" <Muttly@doghouse.com> wrote in
news:9KydncyJ8_VTkF7cRVn-jw@giganews.com:
Gactimus sprouted many words...
<paraphrase>
There is a gawd because bad people become good people when they
convert to christianity from some unspecified former belief system.
Have any of you atheists become good people after rejecting gawd
and embracing atheism?
</paraphrase>
Ahhh, yes... Our nation's prisons are filled with your "good christian
people."
Obviously not since one goes to prison for being a "bad person"
Prison inmates generally come from the mass of humanity which has no
interest whatsoever in 'gods'. Talk to them about gods and they laugh and
walk away for another beer.
Many take up religion whilst inside to ingratiate themselves with the
authorities and get early release.
The smallest community group inside prison is certainly the atheists. They
generally have a great deal of common sense and therefore more likely to
avoid criminal tendencies
Yeah, I'm convinced. Belief in christianity is the ONLY way in which
one can become a good person... Sure.
In other words, you can't explain anything beneficial about atheism. So
noted.
If one tries to explain anything through superstition and using old
unreliable books one is dead in the water, no point to even consider
starting off down that road!
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: To All The Rabid Atheists |
18 Dec 2004 07:20:38 AM |
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bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in
news:41C3944A.ED13F170@netvigator.com:
Gactimus wrote:
"Snidely F Whiplash" <Muttly@doghouse.com> wrote in
news:9KydncyJ8_VTkF7cRVn-jw@giganews.com:
Gactimus sprouted many words...
<paraphrase>
There is a gawd because bad people become good people when they
convert to christianity from some unspecified former belief system.
Have any of you atheists become good people after rejecting gawd
and embracing atheism?
</paraphrase>
Ahhh, yes... Our nation's prisons are filled with your "good
christian people."
Obviously not since one goes to prison for being a "bad person"
Prison inmates generally come from the mass of humanity which has no
interest whatsoever in 'gods'. Talk to them about gods and they laugh
and walk away for another beer.
Many take up religion whilst inside to ingratiate themselves with the
authorities and get early release.
The smallest community group inside prison is certainly the atheists.
They generally have a great deal of common sense and therefore more
likely to avoid criminal tendencies
If atheists had common sense they wouldn't be atheists.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: To All The Rabid Atheists |
18 Dec 2004 01:04:11 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in
The smallest community group inside prison is certainly the atheists.
They generally have a great deal of common sense and therefore more
likely to avoid criminal tendencies
If atheists had common sense they wouldn't be atheists.
Because it makes much more sense to believe in an invisible
all-powerful being that is nonetheless limited by the imagination
of the people who insist that, despite a complete lack of evidence,
this being exists.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: To All The Rabid Atheists |
18 Dec 2004 11:47:23 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in
The smallest community group inside prison is certainly the atheists.
They generally have a great deal of common sense and therefore more
likely to avoid criminal tendencies
If atheists had common sense they wouldn't be atheists.
Because it makes much more sense to believe in an invisible
all-powerful being that is nonetheless limited by the imagination
of the people who insist that, despite a complete lack of evidence,
this being exists.
According to FOX News Ray that Jesus fella the day before yesterday
appeared on the surface of a $50 hollow plywood door in a woman's house
[she had been praying]
Need I say more?!!!!
Bob
Hong Kong
"I can believe anything, provided it is incredible."
[Oscar Wilde]
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| Title: Re: To All The Rabid Atheists |
18 Dec 2004 11:42:30 PM |
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Gactimus wrote:
bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in
news:41C3944A.ED13F170@netvigator.com:
Gactimus wrote:
"Snidely F Whiplash" <Muttly@doghouse.com> wrote in
news:9KydncyJ8_VTkF7cRVn-jw@giganews.com:
Gactimus sprouted many words...
<paraphrase>
There is a gawd because bad people become good people when they
convert to christianity from some unspecified former belief system.
Have any of you atheists become good people after rejecting gawd
and embracing atheism?
</paraphrase>
Ahhh, yes... Our nation's prisons are filled with your "good
christian people."
Obviously not since one goes to prison for being a "bad person"
Prison inmates generally come from the mass of humanity which has no
interest whatsoever in 'gods'. Talk to them about gods and they laugh
and walk away for another beer.
Many take up religion whilst inside to ingratiate themselves with the
authorities and get early release.
The smallest community group inside prison is certainly the atheists.
They generally have a great deal of common sense and therefore more
likely to avoid criminal tendencies
If atheists had common sense they wouldn't be atheists.
....If that is the best you can do, next time don't bother.
"MORON"
[I hate using this overworked word used so often in reponses to posts, but
at times there just has to be an exception]
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| User: "Carol Lee Smith" |
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| Title: Re: To All The Rabid Atheists |
17 Dec 2004 01:00:00 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Gactimus wrote:
"Snidely F Whiplash" <Muttly@doghouse.com> wrote in
news:9KydncyJ8_VTkF7cRVn-jw@giganews.com:
Ahhh, yes... Our nation's prisons are filled with your "good christian
people."
Obviously not since one goes to prison for being a "bad person".
What say you about a mother who murders her children? Bad?
What say you about a mother who kills her offspring by cutting its
arms off? Bad?
They were Christians.
Yeah, I'm convinced. Belief in christianity is the ONLY way in which
one can become a good person... Sure.
In other words, you can't explain anything beneficial about atheism. So
noted.
What is it you don't understand about parody?
PS: that Christian mothers have murdered their children is not parody. It
is fact.
http://filmstripinternational.com
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| User: "bob young" |
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17 Dec 2004 08:25:01 PM |
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Carol Lee Smith wrote:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Gactimus wrote:
"Snidely F Whiplash" <Muttly@doghouse.com> wrote in
news:9KydncyJ8_VTkF7cRVn-jw@giganews.com:
Ahhh, yes... Our nation's prisons are filled with your "good christian
people."
Obviously not since one goes to prison for being a "bad person".
What say you about a mother who murders her children? Bad?
What say you about a mother who kills her offspring by cutting its
arms off? Bad?
They were Christians.
Aaaaah but The Lord spoke to 'em and told 'em to do it. So 'He' must exist!
Yeah, I'm convinced. Belief in christianity is the ONLY way in which
one can become a good person... Sure.
In other words, you can't explain anything beneficial abou | | | | |
