Religions > Bible > To Be an RRR Cultist, a Person MUST Have this DEFINING Flaw
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24 Oct 2004 07:59:23 PM |
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To Be an RRR Cultist, a Person MUST Have this DEFINING Flaw |
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The DEFINING Flaw of the RRR Cultists
They are SO vocal, SO absurd, and SO high-profile, they get FAR
more press and attention than they deserve. Possibly it's because
most of them claim to be Christians. And America has 150 million or
so of people making that CLAIM. Thus, the news media and our
politicians may still have the mistaken impression that they are
REPRESENTATIVE of Christians. That perhaps maybe even MOST
Christians are like the squeaky-wheel types who walk around carrying
signs with photos of aborted fetuses on them. Or who protest loudly
that "Those &%$# faggots want 'SPECIAL' rights!" Or worse, beat
them to death, or shoot the abortion doctors. And, let's not forget
all those loons who whine about "unelected and activist" judges --
who are totally ignorant of the Constitution's system of checks-and-
bamces, and don't know the first thing about the Balance of Powers
at the federal level. (Are the **leaders** of the cult that deficient
in their knowledge of civics? Probably not. But it's obvious that
they are **counting** on their *followers* to be that ignorant.)
They're giving Christians, and Christianity in general, a bad
name. Ironically, and unfortunately, fully 98% of Christians are
therefore getting a VERY bad rap.
That's because 98% of all U.S. Christians either ignore the
above-described cultists of the Religious Radical Right... or want
NOTHING whatsoever to do with them. Most Christians are quiet,
tolerant people who go about their daily jobs and bother no one.
So what IS it about the RRR Cultists that set them apart?
We could say that it's the disinformation they've soaked up like
sponges from their False Teachers who daily spew the phony and
unbiblical "we-must-impose-change-upon-the-world" dogma to all two
million or so of them over Christian radio stations. Teachers like
James Dobson, D. James Kennedy, Gary Bauer, Beverly LaHaye, Jerry
Falwell, and Pat Robertson, who have mostly abandoned the Great
Commission (spreading the gospel), in favor of pouring more energy
into their hateful vendetta against many of our individual freedoms
and rights. But... not ALL of them listen to Christian radio.
No. There is ONE flaw that is common to EVERY cultist of the
RRR. Without it, one cannot BE an RRR Cultist.
Busybodyism.
Consider the fact that whatever consenting adults may choose
to do in their own, personal lives, as long as they don't break the
law or overtly do harm to others and/or their property, that is their
OWN business, and no one elses.
So listen up, RRR Cultists (and in the case of abortion,
Anti-Choicers, who so often are the same people):
(1) If a women CHOOSES -- from among the three available
and legal choices -- to obtain an abortion... that is
NONE of YOUR business.
(2) Homosexuals have sex with people of the same gender
and you don't? So what? No big deal. Why should
you care? No one's dragging you into their bedrooms
to watch, any more than you would do that to them.
Again: NONE of your business.
(3) Homosexuals seek EQUAL rights in the workplace.
NOT "special" ones. I have YET to EVER hear of
a gay person asking for "special" rights, or even for
rights that anyone could CONSIDER "special." That
is a lie, constantly promoted by the RRR's leaders.
They have been, and are, discriminated against
in the workplace. Often, the fact that they are known
to be gay -- EVEN THOUGH they are just like
the heterosexuals, except in bed -- is enough to
keep them from being hired, or enough to get them
fired. They want such discriminatory practices to
be illegal, and there is nothing wrong with that.
They simply want to be on an EQUAL playing field.
(4) Unmarried HETEROSEXUAL couples often are
unable to rent the apartments they want... because
they're unmarried! Can you imagine what would
happen to the landlord if he/she were to refuse to
rent to ANYONE just because the would-be renters
were BLACK? Good luck! They'd better have a
very good lawyer. And the practice is LUDICROUS,
because their renting to unmarried couples does
NO one any harm. And... guess what? Whether
or not a couple is married is NO one else's
business.
(5) Many (not all) homosexuals want the right to marry
their partners, and thus share the SAME benefits
(insurance, etc.) that heterosexuals who love each
other have. Well -- why not? This would do no
harm to anyone. but it would make our society
much more FAIR.
(6) The two biggest targets of the RRR Cultists are
abortion rights and homosexual rights. But gay
rights have three major aspects, and another of those
is the same as decribed in (4), above. There is
no way that being assured that discrimination is
NOT imposed of them could be, by ANY stretch
of the imagination, regarded a "special" right.
It is a CIVIL right, plain and simple.
Is there ANY biblical basis that the deceived Christians
and PSEUDO-Christians of the RRR Cult can draw upon for
to support their bigotry and busybodyism? No. Neither Jesus,
nor God, anywhere in the Bible, appointed Their believers to
be Their Enforcers, or Their Gestapo vs. society.
Does God disagree with any of the above-listed practices?
Probably not, as regards abortion. Nowhere does the Bible
defend reproductive-process entities, except in Ex. 21:20-25 --
where it regards a fetus to be **property** -- in a passage that
CONDONES **slavery**! The *only* human entities that it
defends are *people* -- who've been BORN. God is AWARE
of fetuses (as some verses indicate), just as He is aware of
gametes, and probably the position of every atom in the
universe. But He does not DEFEND them. In fact, defense
sometimes can be lacking, even for already-born, essentially
innocent adults. To see this most clearly, use the NIV Bible,
and see how slaves are regarded in the above passage.
And see also -- Isaiah 13:16... 1 Samuel 15:3... and Hosea
13:16 --- to see that God has actally COMMANDED that inno-
cent *babies* be slaughtered! (For the RRR cult's leaders to
think that they can read defense of reproductive-process
entities into what the Bible presents, in light of all that, is
ludicrous.)
As for the other points... there is significant evidence that He
does. However, it is the right of every individual to sort these
issues out with Him, if they so desire. Or NOT to, if they don't.
The issues are personal, all the way, and the business of NO
other people.
DOES God condone enforcement by people of His laws and
pronouncements? Yes... but NOT the way the RRR Cult does it.
There is clear-cut instruction in the New Testament for disciplinary
action that can be taken against those who violate those. BUT...
and this is a HUGE "but"... those instructions apply ONLY to the
practice of CHURCH discipline by Christians, vis-a-vis disobedient
FELLOW Christians. NOT vis-a-vis society in general. In fact,
there is even a verse that PROHIBITS their doing that:
1 Cor. 5:12-13.
BOTTOM LINE: The DEFINING characteristic of RRR Cultists
is busybodyism. No sensible person would
be an advocate of discrimination. Nor does
even the Bible advocate doing that.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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| Title: Re: To Be an RRR Cultist, a Person MUST Have this DEFINING Flaw |
24 Oct 2004 08:31:41 PM |
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 00:59:23 +0000, (GOOD RIDDANCE on
Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!) wrote in message
news:<418e484b.107458878@netnews.mchsi.com>:
The DEFINING Flaw of the RRR Cultists
Actually, Craig, there is one more thing that defines fundies. And it
sounds suspiciously similar to Temporal Lobe Epilepsy. Check out these
links and see if TLE doesn't sound similar to fundamentalist religious
experiences:
http://www.drkoop.com/ency/article/001399sym.htm
http://www.epilepsy.com/epilepsy/epilepsy_temporallobe.html
--
Lurlean Lie #29:
"The city gave Thurgood an award for a doing that (destroying public
property)."
news:1dcee589.0409101912.335472c7@posting.google.com
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| User: "GOOD RIDDANCE on Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!" |
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| Title: Re: To Be an RRR Cultist, a Person MUST Have this DEFINING Flaw |
25 Oct 2004 06:47:53 AM |
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 01:31:41 GMT,
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> ("GOOD RIDDANCE on
Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!") wrote:
The DEFINING Flaw of the RRR Cultists
Actually, Craig, there is one more thing that defines fundies. And it
sounds suspiciously similar to Temporal Lobe Epilepsy. Check out
these links and see if TLE doesn't sound similar to fundamentalist
religious experiences:
http://www.drkoop.com/ency/article/001399sym.htm
http://www.epilepsy.com/epilepsy/epilepsy_temporallobe.html
The last thing I'd ever do is disparage folks unlucky enough to
have an unfortunate medical condition. (Which would be inconsistent
with my pointing out that women should not be forced to endure the
unwanted medical condition of ill-timed pregancy, when its their
choice not to.)
But in the case of the sort of fundies who fall for the RRR cult
leader's lying propaganda and false dogmas, I really think that the
majority of those unfortunate lemmings were conned because they
are from the group of several million who have significantly low IQs.
That's around 5,700,000 in America whose IQs are 62 and lower, and
many more tens of millions between 62 and 80. And due to that, it's
not their fault that they were thus conned. It's is 100% of the fault
of the RRR's **leaders** -- who TARGET those filks due to their
potential gullibility.
The RRR's leadership is well awate that there literally are NO
relevant **facts** that support their loathsome and hateful agendas
against human rights. (E.g., what does "traditional" marriage need
"defending" FROM, in the course of trying to deny same-sex couples
their legal right to marry? There is NO WAY that any opposite-sex
couple's marriage will suffer one whit if a same-sex couple gets
married.) So their ONLY hope of building us a solid base of
unquestioning, automaton-like lemmings, as they have, is for them
to concentrate their efforts on those who are least capable of
integrating facts and seeing through their lies.
It just shows how LOW such liars at Pat Robertson, Donald
Wildmon, D. James Kennedy, Jerry Falwell, Cal Thomas, Beverly
la Haye, James Dobson, and Chuck Colson (who comprise the eight
oligarchical leaders at the top echelon of the cult) will STOOP to
promote their ugly and sociopathic hate against human rights.
--
Lurlean Lie #29:
"The city gave Thurgood an award for a doing that (destroying public
property)."
news:1dcee589.0409101912.335472c7@posting.google.com
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
(REAL name and e-mail address, lest any bigot wrongly
think I'm hiding behind an a alias. The "alias," above,
is designed to be a visible MESSAGE, each time I post.)
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Every time a person supports bigotry in public, and presents NO
relevant FACTS to back his/her stance in behalf of a loathsome
agenda against individual liberties and human rights, that person
has -- ironically -- further **damaged** the cause he/she supports.
And every time a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian opposes
such a bigot, publicly, and **presents** relevant FACTS that are
damaging to the bigot's agenda, that TOO is an additional nail in
the coffin lid of the agenda, and a push of that casket CLOSER
to the Drain of Extinction -- its well-deserved ultimate destination.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Kerry -- two medals: a silver and bronze star.
Bush? Well -- they don't give medals for
going AWOL, missing your medical and
getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool.
Kerry -- a hero, Bush -- a zero.
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening...
The Bush 'economic' policy: - 3 million jobs and counting...
The Bush Iraq lie: - 1,070+ GIs, and mounting...
Having Bush louse up my country: Worthless
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
There's a Train a'Comin' in !!
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooo
...........==========||||||||||..........|""|
............_|.K E R R Y..|.|.|___|""""""""""|.|[(< >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
...........|___________|.|__.._.._.._.._.._.._||_
.............( + ).....( + ).....( + )( + )( + )( + )..\
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
V....I....C....T....O....R....Y......2....0....0....4
Kerry/Edwards 2004
A Stronger America Begins At Home!
A Stronger America Begins with You!
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
AND...
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
ALSO worth a look:
http://anon.newmediamill.speedera.net/anon.newmediamill/pledge_acc/index.html
And... here's what happens to people like you & me:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/05/21/antiwar.soldier.ap/index.html
However, the same rules don't apply to the "Elite:"
www.awolbush.com
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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| Title: Re: To Be an RRR Cultist, a Person MUST Have this DEFINING Flaw |
25 Oct 2004 07:19:17 AM |
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:47:53 +0000, (GOOD RIDDANCE on
Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!) wrote in message
news:<4199e2c3.147008448@netnews.mchsi.com>:
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 01:31:41 GMT,
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > ("GOOD RIDDANCE on Nov. 2nd to
Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!") wrote:
The DEFINING Flaw of the RRR Cultists
Actually, Craig, there is one more thing that defines fundies. And
it
sounds suspiciously similar to Temporal Lobe Epilepsy. Check out these
links and see if TLE doesn't sound similar to fundamentalist religious
experiences:
http://www.drkoop.com/ency/article/001399sym.htm
http://www.epilepsy.com/epilepsy/epilepsy_temporallobe.html
The last thing I'd ever do is disparage folks unlucky enough to
have an unfortunate medical condition. (Which would be inconsistent
with my pointing out that women should not be forced to endure the
unwanted medical condition of ill-timed pregancy, when its their choice
not to.)
I'm not disparaging them, I'm pointing out the similarities between
fundamentalist Christian religious experiences and TLE.
But in the case of the sort of fundies who fall for the RRR cult
leader's lying propaganda and false dogmas, I really think that the
majority of those unfortunate lemmings were conned because they are from
the group of several million who have significantly low IQs. That's
around 5,700,000 in America whose IQs are 62 and lower, and many more
tens of millions between 62 and 80. And due to that, it's not their
fault that they were thus conned. It's is 100% of the fault of the
RRR's **leaders** -- who TARGET those filks due to their potential
gullibility.
Right, but I'm sure TLE has more than a little to do with it. That, and
the leaders like to scare their congregation with stories of "hell."
The RRR's leadership is well awate that there literally are NO
relevant **facts** that support their loathsome and hateful agendas
against human rights. (E.g., what does "traditional" marriage need
"defending" FROM, in the course of trying to deny same-sex couples their
legal right to marry? There is NO WAY that any opposite-sex couple's
marriage will suffer one whit if a same-sex couple gets married.) So
their ONLY hope of building us a solid base of unquestioning,
automaton-like lemmings, as they have, is for them to concentrate their
efforts on those who are least capable of integrating facts and seeing
through their lies.
It just shows how LOW such liars at Pat Robertson, Donald
Wildmon, D. James Kennedy, Jerry Falwell, Cal Thomas, Beverly la Haye,
James Dobson, and Chuck Colson (who comprise the eight oligarchical
leaders at the top echelon of the cult) will STOOP to promote their ugly
and sociopathic hate against human rights.
So true.
--
Funny Lurlean quote #10:
"I ain't comfortable a doing that (breastfeeding) in a city full of vampire
lesbians. They might storm the door." -- Lurlean explains why she takes a
shower fully clothed, too.
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| User: "GOOD RIDDANCE on Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!" |
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| Title: Re: To Be an RRR Cultist, a Person MUST Have this DEFINING Flaw |
25 Oct 2004 08:03:02 AM |
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:19:17 GMT,
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> ("GOOD RIDDANCE on
Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!") wrote:
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
The DEFINING Flaw of the RRR Cultists
Actually, Craig, there is one more thing that defines fundies. And
it sounds suspiciously similar to Temporal Lobe Epilepsy. Check out these
links and see if TLE doesn't sound similar to fundamentalist religious
experiences:
http://www.drkoop.com/ency/article/001399sym.htm
http://www.epilepsy.com/epilepsy/epilepsy_temporallobe.html
The last thing I'd ever do is disparage folks unlucky enough to
have an unfortunate medical condition. (Which would be inconsistent
with my pointing out that women should not be forced to endure the
unwanted medical condition of ill-timed pregancy, when its their choice
not to.)
I'm not disparaging them, I'm pointing out the similarities between
fundamentalist Christian religious experiences and TLE.
I never said you were. And yes, there are some strange
similarities thre.
But in the case of the sort of fundies who fall for the RRR cult
leader's lying propaganda and false dogmas, I really think that the
majority of those unfortunate lemmings were conned because they are from
the group of several million who have significantly low IQs. That's
around 5,700,000 in America whose IQs are 62 and lower, and many more
tens of millions between 62 and 80. And due to that, it's not their
fault that they were thus conned. It's is 100% of the fault of the
RRR's **leaders** -- who TARGET those filks due to their potential
gullibility.
Right, but I'm sure TLE has more than a little to do with it. That, and
the leaders like to scare their congregation with stories of "hell."
Interesting theory, and it may apply in some cases.
The RRR's leadership is well awate that there literally are NO
relevant **facts** that support their loathsome and hateful agendas
against human rights. (E.g., what does "traditional" marriage need
"defending" FROM, in the course of trying to deny same-sex couples their
legal right to marry? There is NO WAY that any opposite-sex couple's
marriage will suffer one whit if a same-sex couple gets married.) So
their ONLY hope of building us a solid base of unquestioning,
automaton-like lemmings, as they have, is for them to concentrate their
efforts on those who are least capable of integrating facts and seeing
through their lies.
It just shows how LOW such liars at Pat Robertson, Donald
Wildmon, D. James Kennedy, Jerry Falwell, Cal Thomas, Beverly la Haye,
James Dobson, and Chuck Colson (who comprise the eight oligarchical
leaders at the top echelon of the cult) will STOOP to promote their ugly
and sociopathic hate against human rights.
So true.
--
Funny Lurlean quote #10:
"I ain't comfortable a doing that (breastfeeding) in a city full of vampire
lesbians. They might storm the door." -- Lurlean explains why she takes a
shower fully clothed, too.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
(REAL name and e-mail address, lest any bigot wrongly
think I'm hiding behind an a alias. The "alias," above,
is designed to be a visible MESSAGE, each time I post.)
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Every time a person supports bigotry in public, and presents NO
relevant FACTS to back his/her stance in behalf of a loathsome
agenda against individual liberties and human rights, that person
has -- ironically -- further **damaged** the cause he/she supports.
And every time a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian opposes
such a bigot, publicly, and **presents** relevant FACTS that are
damaging to the bigot's agenda, that TOO is an additional nail in
the coffin lid of the agenda, and a push of that casket CLOSER
to the Drain of Extinction -- its well-deserved ultimate destination.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Kerry -- two medals: a silver and bronze star.
Bush? Well -- they don't give medals for
going AWOL, missing your medical and
getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool.
Kerry -- a hero, Bush -- a zero.
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening...
The Bush 'economic' policy: - 3 million jobs and counting...
The Bush Iraq lie: - 1,070+ GIs, and mounting...
Having Bush louse up my country: Worthless
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
There's a Train a'Comin' in !!
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooo
...........==========||||||||||..........|""|
............_|.K E R R Y..|.|.|___|""""""""""|.|[(< >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
...........|___________|.|__.._.._.._.._.._.._||_
.............( + ).....( + ).....( + )( + )( + )( + )..\
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
V....I....C....T....O....R....Y......2....0....0....4
Kerry/Edwards 2004
A Stronger America Begins At Home!
A Stronger America Begins with You!
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
AND...
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
ALSO worth a look:
http://anon.newmediamill.speedera.net/anon.newmediamill/pledge_acc/index.html
And... here's what happens to people like you & me:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/05/21/antiwar.soldier.ap/index.html
However, the same rules don't apply to the "Elite:"
www.awolbush.com
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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| Title: Re: To Be an RRR Cultist, a Person MUST Have this DEFINING Flaw |
25 Oct 2004 09:49:25 AM |
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:03:02 +0000, (GOOD RIDDANCE on
Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!) wrote in message
news:<41a2f85f.152540968@netnews.mchsi.com>:
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:19:17 GMT,
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > ("GOOD RIDDANCE on Nov. 2nd to
Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!") wrote:
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
The DEFINING Flaw of the RRR Cultists
Actually, Craig, there is one more thing that defines fundies.
And
it sounds suspiciously similar to Temporal Lobe Epilepsy. Check out
these links and see if TLE doesn't sound similar to fundamentalist
religious experiences:
http://www.drkoop.com/ency/article/001399sym.htm
http://www.epilepsy.com/epilepsy/epilepsy_temporallobe.html
The last thing I'd ever do is disparage folks unlucky enough to
have an unfortunate medical condition. (Which would be inconsistent
with my pointing out that women should not be forced to endure the
unwanted medical condition of ill-timed pregancy, when its their
choice not to.)
I'm not disparaging them, I'm pointing out the similarities between
fundamentalist Christian religious experiences and TLE.
I never said you were. And yes, there are some strange
similarities thre.
But in the case of the sort of fundies who fall for the RRR cult
leader's lying propaganda and false dogmas, I really think that the
majority of those unfortunate lemmings were conned because they are
from the group of several million who have significantly low IQs.
That's around 5,700,000 in America whose IQs are 62 and lower, and
many more tens of millions between 62 and 80. And due to that, it's
not their fault that they were thus conned. It's is 100% of the fault
of the RRR's **leaders** -- who TARGET those filks due to their
potential gullibility.
Right, but I'm sure TLE has more than a little to do with it.
That, and
the leaders like to scare their congregation with stories of "hell."
Interesting theory, and it may apply in some cases.
Did I ever show you this link?
http://www.ctyme.com/bwash/bwash.htm#d
It gives you an idea of how fundie preachers brainwash their congregation.
--
Lurlean Lie #24:
"he goes to orgy's all over the country"
news:1dcee589.0408290928.1985ece@posting.google.com
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| User: "GOOD RIDDANCE on Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!" |
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| Title: Re: To Be an RRR Cultist, a Person MUST Have this DEFINING Flaw |
25 Oct 2004 08:22:18 PM |
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:49:25 GMT,
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> ("GOOD RIDDANCE on
Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!) wrote:
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
The DEFINING Flaw of the RRR Cultists
Actually, Craig, there is one more thing that defines fundies.
And it sounds suspiciously similar to Temporal Lobe Epilepsy.
Check out these links and see if TLE doesn't sound similar to
fundamentalist religious experiences:
http://www.drkoop.com/ency/article/001399sym.htm
http://www.epilepsy.com/epilepsy/epilepsy_temporallobe.html
The last thing I'd ever do is disparage folks unlucky enough to
have an unfortunate medical condition. (Which would be inconsistent
with my pointing out that women should not be forced to endure the
unwanted medical condition of ill-timed pregancy, when its their
choice not to.)
I'm not disparaging them, I'm pointing out the similarities between
fundamentalist Christian religious experiences and TLE.
I never said you were. And yes, there are some strange
similarities thre.
But in the case of the sort of fundies who fall for the RRR cult
leader's lying propaganda and false dogmas, I really think that the
majority of those unfortunate lemmings were conned because they are
from the group of several million who have significantly low IQs.
That's around 5,700,000 in America whose IQs are 62 and lower, and
many more tens of millions between 62 and 80. And due to that, it's
not their fault that they were thus conned. It's is 100% of the fault
of the RRR's **leaders** -- who TARGET those filks due to their
potential gullibility.
Right, but I'm sure TLE has more than a little to do with it.
That, and the leaders like to scare their congregation with stories
of "hell."
Interesting theory, and it may apply in some cases.
Did I ever show you this link?
http://www.ctyme.com/bwash/bwash.htm#d
It gives you an idea of how fundie preachers brainwash
their congregation.
What a NEAT, informative, and revealing site!!
I'll be incorporating that link in some of my SIGs, after
the election.
THANKS for providing it, Bill !!!
--
Lurlean Lie #24:
"he goes to orgy's all over the country"
news:1dcee589.0408290928.1985ece@posting.google.com
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
(REAL name and e-mail address, lest any bigot wrongly
think I'm hiding behind an a alias. The "alias," above,
is designed to be a visible MESSAGE, each time I post.)
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Every time a person supports bigotry in public, and presents NO
relevant FACTS to back his/her stance in behalf of a loathsome
agenda against individual liberties and human rights, that person
has -- ironically -- further **damaged** the cause he/she supports.
And every time a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian opposes
such a bigot, publicly, and **presents** relevant FACTS that are
damaging to the bigot's agenda, that TOO is an additional nail in
the coffin lid of the agenda, and a push of that casket CLOSER
to the Drain of Extinction -- its well-deserved ultimate destination.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Kerry -- two medals: a silver and bronze star.
Bush? Well -- they don't give medals for
going AWOL, missing your medical and
getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool.
Kerry -- a hero, Bush -- a zero.
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening...
The Bush 'economic' policy: - 3 million jobs and counting...
The Bush Iraq lie: - 1,070+ GIs, and mounting...
Having Bush louse up my country: Worthless
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
There's a Train a'Comin' in !!
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooo
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V....I....C....T....O....R....Y......2....0....0....4
Kerry/Edwards 2004
A Stronger America Begins At Home!
A Stronger America Begins with You!
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INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
AND...
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
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ALSO worth a look:
http://anon.newmediamill.speedera.net/anon.newmediamill/pledge_acc/index.html
And... here's what happens to people like you & me:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/05/21/antiwar.soldier.ap/index.html
However, the same rules don't apply to the "Elite:"
www.awolbush.com
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| Title: Re: To Be an RRR Cultist, a Person MUST Have this DEFINING Flaw |
25 Oct 2004 08:29:06 PM |
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 01:22:18 +0000, (GOOD RIDDANCE on
Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!) wrote in message
news:<4186a4c9.26324693@netnews.mchsi.com>:
Did I ever show you this link?
http://www.ctyme.com/bwash/bwash.htm#d
It gives you an idea of how fundie preachers brainwash
their congregation.
What a NEAT, informative, and revealing site!!
I'll be incorporating that link in some of my SIGs, after
the election.
THANKS for providing it, Bill !!!
No problem, glad to help. :-)
--
Funny Lurlean quote #47:
But the floodgates are open, and the TIDE is rolling in and drowning the whole
country in bean dip. --Lurlean warns about the evils of nachos.
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| User: "GOOD RIDDANCE on Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!" |
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| Title: Re: To Be an RRR Cultist, a Person MUST Have this DEFINING Flaw |
26 Oct 2004 01:22:19 AM |
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 01:29:06 GMT,
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> ("GOOD RIDDANCE on
Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!") wrote:
Did I ever show you this link?
http://www.ctyme.com/bwash/bwash.htm#d
It gives you an idea of how fundie preachers brainwash
their congregation.
What a NEAT, informative, and revealing site!!
I'll be incorporating that link in some of my SIGs, after
the election.
THANKS for providing it, Bill !!!
No problem, glad to help. :-)
It was a VERY good catch!! Good going!
--
Funny Lurlean quote #47:
But the floodgates are open, and the TIDE is rolling in and drowning the whole
country in bean dip. --Lurlean warns about the evils of nachos.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
(REAL name and e-mail address, lest any bigot wrongly
think I'm hiding behind an a alias. The "alias," above,
is designed to be a visible MESSAGE, each time I post.)
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Every time a person supports bigotry in public, and presents NO
relevant FACTS to back his/her stance in behalf of a loathsome
agenda against individual liberties and human rights, that person
has -- ironically -- further **damaged** the cause he/she supports.
And every time a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian opposes
such a bigot, publicly, and **presents** relevant FACTS that are
damaging to the bigot's agenda, that TOO is an additional nail in
the coffin lid of the agenda, and a push of that casket CLOSER
to the Drain of Extinction -- its well-deserved ultimate destination.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Kerry -- two medals: a silver and bronze star.
Bush? Well -- they don't give medals for
going AWOL, missing your medical and
getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool.
Kerry -- a hero, Bush -- a zero.
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening...
The Bush 'economic' policy: - 3 million jobs and counting...
The Bush Iraq lie: - 1,070+ GIs, and mounting...
Having Bush louse up my country: Worthless
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
There's a Train a'Comin' in !!
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooo
...........==========||||||||||..........|""|
............_|.K E R R Y..|.|.|___|""""""""""|.|[(< >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
...........|___________|.|__.._.._.._.._.._.._||_
.............( + ).....( + ).....( + )( + )( + )( + )..\
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
V....I....C....T....O....R....Y......2....0....0....4
Kerry/Edwards 2004
A Stronger America Begins At Home!
A Stronger America Begins with You!
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
AND...
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
ALSO worth a look:
http://anon.newmediamill.speedera.net/anon.newmediamill/pledge_acc/index.html
And... here's what happens to people like you & me:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/05/21/antiwar.soldier.ap/index.html
However, the same rules don't apply to the "Elite:"
www.awolbush.com
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| Title: Re: To Be an RRR Cultist, a Person MUST Have this DEFINING Flaw |
25 Oct 2004 02:03:35 AM |
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Only one?
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| User: "GOOD RIDDANCE on Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!" |
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25 Oct 2004 07:05:20 AM |
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 03:03:35 -0400,
"ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote:
Only one?
They have them in ABUNDANCE!! But THIS one in
particular -- busybodyism -- is probably it's greatst single
underlying common denominator. Followed closely by their
gullibility, since the RRR cult's leadership clearly targets folks
having low IQs (who thus are less likely to see through their
blatant lies), to be their unquestioning army of lemmings.
The DEFINING Flaw of the RRR Cultists
They are SO vocal, SO absurd, and SO high-profile, they get FAR
more press and attention than they deserve. Possibly it's because
most of them claim to be Christians. And America has 150 million or
so of people making that CLAIM. Thus, the news media and our
politicians may still have the mistaken impression that they are
REPRESENTATIVE of Christians. That perhaps maybe even MOST
Christians are like the squeaky-wheel types who walk around carrying
signs with photos of aborted fetuses on them. Or who protest loudly
that "Those &%$# faggots want 'SPECIAL' rights!" Or worse, beat
them to death, or shoot the abortion doctors. And, let's not forget
all those loons who whine about "unelected and activist" judges --
who are totally ignorant of the Constitution's system of checks-and-
bamces, and don't know the first thing about the Balance of Powers
at the federal level. (Are the **leaders** of the cult that deficient
in their knowledge of civics? Probably not. But it's obvious that
they are **counting** on their *followers* to be that ignorant.)
They're giving Christians, and Christianity in general, a bad
name. Ironically, and unfortunately, fully 98% of Christians are
therefore getting a VERY bad rap.
That's because 98% of all U.S. Christians either ignore the
above-described cultists of the Religious Radical Right... or want
NOTHING whatsoever to do with them. Most Christians are quiet,
tolerant people who go about their daily jobs and bother no one.
So what IS it about the RRR Cultists that set them apart?
We could say that it's the disinformation they've soaked up like
sponges from their False Teachers who daily spew the phony and
unbiblical "we-must-impose-change-upon-the-world" dogma to all two
million or so of them over Christian radio stations. Teachers like
James Dobson, D. James Kennedy, Gary Bauer, Beverly LaHaye, Jerry
Falwell, and Pat Robertson, who have mostly abandoned the Great
Commission (spreading the gospel), in favor of pouring more energy
into their hateful vendetta against many of our individual freedoms
and rights. But... not ALL of them listen to Christian radio.
No. There is ONE flaw that is common to EVERY cultist of the
RRR. Without it, one cannot BE an RRR Cultist.
Busybodyism.
Consider the fact that whatever consenting adults may choose
to do in their own, personal lives, as long as they don't break the
law or overtly do harm to others and/or their property, that is their
OWN business, and no one elses.
So listen up, RRR Cultists (and in the case of abortion,
Anti-Choicers, who so often are the same people):
(1) If a women CHOOSES -- from among the three available
and legal choices -- to obtain an abortion... that is
NONE of YOUR business.
(2) Homosexuals have sex with people of the same gender
and you don't? So what? No big deal. Why should
you care? No one's dragging you into their bedrooms
to watch, any more than you would do that to them.
Again: NONE of your business.
(3) Homosexuals seek EQUAL rights in the workplace.
NOT "special" ones. I have YET to EVER hear of
a gay person asking for "special" rights, or even for
rights that anyone could CONSIDER "special." That
is a lie, constantly promoted by the RRR's leaders.
They have been, and are, discriminated against
in the workplace. Often, the fact that they are known
to be gay -- EVEN THOUGH they are just like
the heterosexuals, except in bed -- is enough to
keep them from being hired, or enough to get them
fired. They want such discriminatory practices to
be illegal, and there is nothing wrong with that.
They simply want to be on an EQUAL playing field.
(4) Unmarried HETEROSEXUAL couples often are
unable to rent the apartments they want... because
they're unmarried! Can you imagine what would
happen to the landlord if he/she were to refuse to
rent to ANYONE just because the would-be renters
were BLACK? Good luck! They'd better have a
very good lawyer. And the practice is LUDICROUS,
because their renting to unmarried couples does
NO one any harm. And... guess what? Whether
or not a couple is married is NO one else's
business.
(5) Many (not all) homosexuals want the right to marry
their partners, and thus share the SAME benefits
(insurance, etc.) that heterosexuals who love each
other have. Well -- why not? This would do no
harm to anyone. but it would make our society
much more FAIR.
(6) The two biggest targets of the RRR Cultists are
abortion rights and homosexual rights. But gay
rights have three major aspects, and another of those
is the same as decribed in (4), above. There is
no way that being assured that discrimination is
NOT imposed of them could be, by ANY stretch
of the imagination, regarded a "special" right.
It is a CIVIL right, plain and simple.
Is there ANY biblical basis that the deceived Christians
and PSEUDO-Christians of the RRR Cult can draw upon for
to support their bigotry and busybodyism? No. Neither Jesus,
nor God, anywhere in the Bible, appointed Their believers to
be Their Enforcers, or Their Gestapo vs. society.
Does God disagree with any of the above-listed practices?
Probably not, as regards abortion. Nowhere does the Bible
defend reproductive-process entities, except in Ex. 21:20-25 --
where it regards a fetus to be **property** -- in a passage that
CONDONES **slavery**! The *only* human entities that it
defends are *people* -- who've been BORN. God is AWARE
of fetuses (as some verses indicate), just as He is aware of
gametes, and probably the position of every atom in the
universe. But He does not DEFEND them. In fact, defense
sometimes can be lacking, even for already-born, essentially
innocent adults. To see this most clearly, use the NIV Bible,
and see how slaves are regarded in the above passage.
And see also -- Isaiah 13:16... 1 Samuel 15:3... and Hosea
13:16 --- to see that God has actally COMMANDED that inno-
cent *babies* be slaughtered! (For the RRR cult's leaders to
think that they can read defense of reproductive-process
entities into what the Bible presents, in light of all that, is
ludicrous.)
As for the other points... there is significant evidence that He
does. However, it is the right of every individual to sort these
issues out with Him, if they so desire. Or NOT to, if they don't.
The issues are personal, all the way, and the business of NO
other people.
DOES God condone enforcement by people of His laws and
pronouncements? Yes... but NOT the way the RRR Cult does it.
There is clear-cut instruction in the New Testament for disciplinary
action that can be taken against those who violate those. BUT...
and this is a HUGE "but"... those instructions apply ONLY to the
practice of CHURCH discipline by Christians, vis-a-vis disobedient
FELLOW Christians. NOT vis-a-vis society in general. In fact,
there is even a verse that PROHIBITS their doing that:
1 Cor. 5:12-13.
BOTTOM LINE: The DEFINING characteristic of RRR Cultists
is busybodyism. No sensible person would
be an advocate of discrimination. Nor does
even the Bible advocate doing that.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
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