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"Frank" |
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08 Nov 2006 12:26:32 AM |
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To Be Faith |
Many of the Jewish leaders
who would not accept Christ
tried to justify it by Scripture.
Today many people
who claim to believe in Jesus
will not place all of their trust
in Christ for salvation
and try to justify it by Scripture.
Faith must be entirely in Christ
for salvation or it is not faith at all.
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http://roines.home.mindspring.com
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| User: "Mary Walker" |
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| Title: Re: To Be Faith |
08 Nov 2006 12:35:44 PM |
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"Frank" <roines@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Many of the Jewish leaders
who would not accept Christ
tried to justify it by Scripture.
Jesus was just some bloke. Live with it.
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| User: "Martin Willett" |
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| Title: Re: To Be Faith |
08 Nov 2006 01:22:51 AM |
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Frank wrote:
Many of the Jewish leaders
who would not accept Christ
tried to justify it by Scripture.
Today many people
who claim to believe in Jesus
will not place all of their trust
in Christ for salvation
and try to justify it by Scripture.
Faith must be entirely in Christ
for salvation or it is not faith at all.
Faith is accepting without question and believing that such
unquestioning acceptance is a good thing. The idea that there can ever
be such a thing as good faith is the most dangerous belief a sentient
being can ever have.
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
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| User: "Andrew W" |
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| Title: Re: To Be Faith |
08 Nov 2006 02:29:58 PM |
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"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Frank wrote:
Many of the Jewish leaders
who would not accept Christ
tried to justify it by Scripture.
Today many people
who claim to believe in Jesus
will not place all of their trust
in Christ for salvation
and try to justify it by Scripture.
Faith must be entirely in Christ
for salvation or it is not faith at all.
Faith is accepting without question and believing that such unquestioning
acceptance is a good thing. The idea that there can ever be such a thing
as good faith is the most dangerous belief a sentient being can ever have.
Don't you mean 'bad faith' in that last sentence?
--
Andrew W.
A god who requires bloodshed and suffering of the innocent in order to
forgive can only be an evil god, and anyone who gleefully supports this kind
of god character is insane.
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Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: To Be Faith |
09 Nov 2006 04:55:02 AM |
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Andrew W wrote:
"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:4rdeudFqr6cpU1@mid.individual.net...
Frank wrote:
Many of the Jewish leaders
who would not accept Christ
tried to justify it by Scripture.
Today many people
who claim to believe in Jesus
will not place all of their trust
in Christ for salvation
and try to justify it by Scripture.
Faith must be entirely in Christ
for salvation or it is not faith at all.
Faith is accepting without question and believing that such unquestioning
acceptance is a good thing. The idea that there can ever be such a thing
as good faith is the most dangerous belief a sentient being can ever have.
Don't you mean 'bad faith' in that last sentence?
ROFL
what's the difference ?
--
Andrew W.
A god who requires bloodshed and suffering of the innocent in order to
forgive can only be an evil god, and anyone who gleefully supports this kind
of god character is insane.
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
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| User: "Martin Willett" |
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| Title: Re: To Be Faith |
08 Nov 2006 03:20:03 PM |
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Andrew W wrote:
"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:4rdeudFqr6cpU1@mid.individual.net...
Frank wrote:
Many of the Jewish leaders
who would not accept Christ
tried to justify it by Scripture.
Today many people
who claim to believe in Jesus
will not place all of their trust
in Christ for salvation
and try to justify it by Scripture.
Faith must be entirely in Christ
for salvation or it is not faith at all.
Faith is accepting without question and believing that such unquestioning
acceptance is a good thing. The idea that there can ever be such a thing
as good faith is the most dangerous belief a sentient being can ever have.
Don't you mean 'bad faith' in that last sentence?
No I don't. Faith is a weakness, a flaw of character, a device that can
enable good people to cheerfully do evil things and for a scientist it
is gross professional misconduct. Doubt is good. Doubting leads to
better explanations, better ideas. Doubt works. The modern world was
built by doubters not by the faithful who never question and get The
Truth from The Book.
Doubt, test, verify. Question wisely.
Doubters never lead pogroms, purges, jihads or witch-hunts.
Doubt builds the future. Faith builds bonfires to burn books and corpses.
If faith is so wonderful why do you have to keep reassuring yourselves
that it is? Why would a truth need constant repetition to be accepted?
The biggest lies need the most lip service.
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Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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| Title: Re: To Be Faith |
08 Nov 2006 06:45:07 PM |
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No I don't. Faith is a weakness, a flaw of character, a device that can
enable good people to cheerfully do evil things and for a scientist it
is gross professional misconduct. Doubt is good. Doubting leads to
better explanations, better ideas. Doubt works. The modern world was
built by doubters not by the faithful who never question and get The
Truth from The Book.
Doubt, test, verify. Question wisely.
Doubters never lead pogroms, purges, jihads or witch-hunts.
Doubt builds the future. Faith builds bonfires to burn books and corpses.
If faith is so wonderful why do you have to keep reassuring yourselves
that it is? Why would a truth need constant repetition to be accepted?
The biggest lies need the most lip service.
--
Martin Willett
well put. wonder if the christian nuts will respond.
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| User: "Martin Willett" |
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| Title: Re: To Be Faith |
08 Nov 2006 03:18:22 PM |
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Andrew W wrote:
"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:4rdeudFqr6cpU1@mid.individual.net...
Frank wrote:
Many of the Jewish leaders
who would not accept Christ
tried to justify it by Scripture.
Today many people
who claim to believe in Jesus
will not place all of their trust
in Christ for salvation
and try to justify it by Scripture.
Faith must be entirely in Christ
for salvation or it is not faith at all.
Faith is accepting without question and believing that such unquestioning
acceptance is a good thing. The idea that there can ever be such a thing
as good faith is the most dangerous belief a sentient being can ever have.
Don't you mean 'bad faith' in that last sentence?
No I don't. Faith is a weakness, a flaw of character, a device that can
enabling good people to cheerfully do evil things and for a scientist it
is gross professional misconduct. Doubt is good. Doubting leads to
better explanations, better ideas. Doubt works. The modern world was
built by doubters not by the faithful who never question and get The
Truth from The Book.
Doubt, test, verify. Question wisely.
Doubters never lead pogroms, purges, jihads or witch-hunts.
Doubt builds the future. Faith builds bonfires to burn books and corpses.
If faith is so wonderful why do you have to keep reassuring yourselves
that it is? Why would a truth need constant repetition to be accepted?
The biggest lies need the most lip service.
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: To Be Faith |
09 Nov 2006 04:55:03 AM |
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Martin Willett wrote:
Andrew W wrote:
"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:4rdeudFqr6cpU1@mid.individual.net...
Frank wrote:
Many of the Jewish leaders
who would not accept Christ
tried to justify it by Scripture.
Today many people
who claim to believe in Jesus
will not place all of their trust
in Christ for salvation
and try to justify it by Scripture.
Faith must be entirely in Christ
for salvation or it is not faith at all.
Faith is accepting without question and believing that such unquestioning
acceptance is a good thing. The idea that there can ever be such a thing
as good faith is the most dangerous belief a sentient being can ever have.
Don't you mean 'bad faith' in that last sentence?
No I don't. Faith is a weakness, a flaw of character, a device that can
enabling good people to cheerfully do evil things and for a scientist it
is gross professional misconduct. Doubt is good. Doubting leads to
better explanations, better ideas. Doubt works. The modern world was
built by doubters not by the faithful who never question and get The
Truth from The Book.
Doubt, test, verify. Question wisely.
Doubters never lead pogroms, purges, jihads or witch-hunts.
Doubt builds the future. Faith builds bonfires to burn books and corpses.
If faith is so wonderful why do you have to keep reassuring yourselves
that it is? Why would a truth need constant repetition to be accepted?
The biggest lies need the most lip service.
Which must be the reason why they hold at least four 'truth' services in each
year.
What for? If it is all true why all the fuss about 'truth'
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Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: To Be Faith |
09 Nov 2006 04:54:01 AM |
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Martin Willett wrote:
Frank wrote:
Many of the Jewish leaders
who would not accept Christ
tried to justify it by Scripture.
Today many people
who claim to believe in Jesus
will not place all of their trust
in Christ for salvation
and try to justify it by Scripture.
Faith must be entirely in Christ
for salvation or it is not faith at all.
Faith is accepting without question and believing that such
unquestioning acceptance is a good thing. The idea that there can ever
be such a thing as good faith is the most dangerous belief a sentient
being can ever have.
--
Martin Willett
Christians hold that their faith does good, but other faiths do harm. At
any rate, they hold this about the Communist faith. What I wish to
maintain is that all faiths do harm. We may define 'faith' as a firm
belief in something for which there is no evidence. When there is
evidence, no one speaks of 'faith.' We do not speak of faith that two and
two are four or that the earth is round. We only speak of faith when we
wish to substitute emotion for evidence.
[Bertrand Russell]
http://mwillett.org/
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: To Be Faith |
09 Nov 2006 04:51:01 AM |
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Frank wrote:
Many of the Jewish leaders
who would not accept Christ
tried to justify it by Scripture.
Today many people
who claim to believe in Jesus
will not place all of their trust
in Christ for salvation
and try to justify it by Scripture.
Faith must be entirely in Christ
for salvation or it is not faith at all.
Christ is a childsh myth
Historically preachers were, to their chagrin, being
endlessly badgered to explain what god looked like, after
all, these preachers were making a pretentious claim that
humankind had been created in their god's image.
It was, of course, an impossible question to answer and
their replies must have been, at best, weak and vacillating
- that is, until they hit on the idea of creating a 'god's
son', someone who could take on human form and qualities, 'A
man born of a virgin' a 'son of a god' that would make
everything neat and tidy.
But in all the accounts of this ridiculous story the first
twenty years of the life of this 'son of a god' are missing,
or were overlooked, nothing at all is recorded - 'the son of
a god which created everything' lived in obscurity for the
first twenty years of his life!
It is amazing to what depths otherwise normally intelligent
people can be driven in their frantic efforts to prop up
religious dogma.
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http://roines.home.mindspring.com
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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| Title: Re: To Be Faith |
08 Nov 2006 06:52:48 PM |
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Frank wrote:
Many of the Jewish leaders
who would not accept Christ
tried to justify it by Scripture.
Today many people
who claim to believe in Jesus
will not place all of their trust
in Christ for salvation
and try to justify it by Scripture.
Faith must be entirely in Christ
for salvation or it is not faith at all.
Faith is self-delusion, so your point
is moot either way.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: To Be Faith |
09 Nov 2006 04:57:03 AM |
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Father Haskell wrote:
Frank wrote:
Many of the Jewish leaders
who would not accept Christ
tried to justify it by Scripture.
Today many people
who claim to believe in Jesus
will not place all of their trust
in Christ for salvation
and try to justify it by Scripture.
Faith must be entirely in Christ
for salvation or it is not faith at all.
Faith is self-delusion, so your point
is moot either way.
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate."
[Richard Dawkins]
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: To Be Faith |
08 Nov 2006 10:18:18 AM |
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Nothing like basing your life on nothing more than irrational myths and
fables! Dream on!
"Frank" <roines@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:sMe4h.3615$l25.776@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Many of the Jewish leaders
who would not accept Christ
tried to justify it by Scripture.
Today many people
who claim to believe in Jesus
will not place all of their trust
in Christ for salvation
and try to justify it by Scripture.
Faith must be entirely in Christ
for salvation or it is not faith at all.
--
http://roines.home.mindspring.com
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