Religions > Bible > To the Christians (TRUE ones, SAVED) on this newsgroup...
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05 Apr 2004 08:23:02 PM |
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To the Christians (TRUE ones, SAVED) on this newsgroup... |
Why do you waste your time on this newsgroup? The only non-Christians here are
cranks who'd deny the Christ if he was pulling them back from the pit of Hell, why
bother with these people? Don't waste your time here, no logic and reason will open
up these people's eyes.
cp
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| User: "My name = Harvey" |
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05 Apr 2004 09:41:07 PM |
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What if there are no true christians? (The Bible was long since distorted,
and what we have is nowhere like the original. Was there ever one?)
And what if no one is saved? ie. everyone IS saved - automatically.
Have eternal life.
And what if any method of respecting life and god, is valid, as long as
you hurt no one.
And what if all the negative opinions expressed in this newsgroup, is what
your own conscience questions (and needs answering) and asks.
And needs an answer to.
Harvey
In article <WDncc.6671$Sh4.3514@edtnps84>, says...
Why do you waste your time on this newsgroup? The only non-Christians here
are
cranks who'd deny the Christ if he was pulling them back from the pit of
Hell, why
bother with these people? Don't waste your time here, no logic and reason
will open
up these people's eyes.
cp
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| User: "cp" |
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| Title: Re: To the Christians (TRUE ones, SAVED) on this newsgroup... |
06 Apr 2004 12:51:14 AM |
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You ain't no crank so I'll reply :-)
What if there are no true christians?
And how would YOU know what a TRUE Christian is? This newsgroup must
be pretty useless if you haven't learned what Christianity is about.
Though I don't like the label "Christian", God saves people, not
"Christians". George Bush is a "Christian" too, do his actions show
whether he is saved or not? Unless the monster changes, I don't think
so.
How familiar are you with Christian Theology? I'll tell you what a
TRUE Christian is. A TRUE Christian is someone who believes that the
Christ was God, part of the Trinity and has accepted him as Saviour.
Man has sinned against an infinite being who is perfectly just and
cannot have imperfection in his presence, as finite beings we cannot
repay our crime. An infinite being, God in the person of Jesus, paid
for our crime so that God's perfect justice might be satisfied. The
crime has been paid for, what it means to accept Christ as Saviour is
that you believe and accept that he has paid for your sin against the
perfect, infinite and just Being. Read the book of James, your faith
is proof whether you are Saved or not. I don't know about Bush, maybe
he'll have a chance later. No one deserves to spend Eternity with God,
no one is and no one CAN be good enough, you have to be perfect, which
is impossible for humans. What is a sin? To sin is to miss the mark,
God's PERFECT mark, we ALL have sinned. Essentially, sin is anything
that is against the will of God. Why is murder wrong? Because it is
against the will of God. Why is sexual immorality wrong? Because it is
against the will of God.
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0097/0097_01.asp
Some of them Chick tracts make me mad, they seem almost hateful, but
the guy really is concerned for peoples' eternity.
Remember, good people don't go to Heaven, SAVED people do.
To say ignorant things like you did is unexcusable in the age of
Google, there's millions of sites out there that'd answer any of your
questions. It looks like you don't want to get your questions
answered.
Watch this, every so called "Christian" on this newsgroup should watch
it too, some of you really display un-Christ like behaviour, not that
I'm a saint:
http://www.christiananswers.net/gospel/goingtoheaven.html
Here's some sites to start:
http://www.christiananswers.net http://www.str.org/
(The Bible was long since distorted, and what we have is nowhere like
the original. Was there ever one?)
You have to use your brain here. Why are you so ignorant? There are so
many Christian intellectuals out there, don't you think they have
attempted to answer objections like that? Have you even looked? Or are
you scared, not wanting to come to full belief in a Supreme Being that
is in control of your life?
The Bible is distorted? You have proof, any examples? For sure there
are translation problems, go on any Christian site and you will see
arguments for and against various translations, but you haven't done
that, no?
http://www.chick.com/information/bibleversions/
So, tell me, what distortions are there? Or did you just read some
thing on www.nobeliefs.org or overheard someone say something? There
are some problems in translation, of course, but there's nothing out
there that confuses any theology, such as the matter that if a person
is unsaved they are going to Hell, Eternity without God, a horrible
thing, I wish it were just them flames. The fact of the matter is, NO
THEOLOGICAL DOCTRINE IS IN DANGER BECAUSE OF MISTRANSLATION. Period.
what we have is nowhere like the original.
Have you gone back in time to see the original? You must really know
nothing how Jews and the monastics passed down the scriptures. Get
educated. There is NO document on earth that has as many historical
manuscripts as the Bible, NONE. NOTHING approaches it, there are
around 25,000 manuscripts.
Was there ever one?
Dumb question, where did the current Bible come from when there are
25,000 manuscripts supporting it?
And what if no one is saved? ie. everyone IS saved - automatically.
Have eternal life.
Read your Bible and then we'll talk. Why are you bothering discussing
theological matters that you don't believe?
And what if any method of respecting life and god, is valid, as long
as you hurt no one.
See, there's this matter of Absolute Truth, ONE AND ONE EQUALS TWO
EQUALS ONE AND ONE! If I didn't believe that the God that revealed
himself through Judeo-Christianty was Absolute Truth maybe I'd believe
that 'any method of respecting life and god, is valid, as long as you
hurt no one'.
And what if all the negative opinions expressed in this newsgroup,
is what your own conscience questions (and needs answering) and asks.
Sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to say.
read the books Case for Christ and Case for Faith.
kristoff plasun
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| User: "RainLover" |
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06 Apr 2004 09:01:16 AM |
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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 05:51:14 GMT, "cp" <dont@email.me> wrote:
So, tell me, what distortions are there? Or did you just read some
thing on www.nobeliefs.org or overheard someone say something? There
are some problems in translation, of course,
There are some Christians here who would now say that YOU are not a true christian since you think
there are errors and mis-translations in the bible.
How do you now feel knowing that YOU, YOURSELF, are not a real christian?
That's what I thought.
James, Seattle
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| User: "cp" |
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06 Apr 2004 09:32:27 AM |
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There are some Christians here who would now say that YOU are not a true christian since you think
there are errors and mis-translations in the bible.
One of us might be wrong, or we might be both wrong. I said there are errors of translations, not errors
in the Bible, just look at all the various English translations, none are perfect, no Bible on Earth is perfect
because the original don't exist, but the Bible is very CLOSE to perfection judging by all the historical
manuscripts in existence, all 25,000 of them.
How do you now feel knowing that YOU, YOURSELF, are not a real christian?
You have to learn to think. The fact that I AM or am NOT a SAVED Christian is a
reality, what I THINK I AM or NOT, and what someone else THINKS I AM or NOT
is a perception and has NO effect on reality, all I can hope for is that my perception reflects
reality, and I believe it does, no point believing you're wrong and not changing.
That's what I thought.
Think harder.
kristoff plasun
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| User: "My name = Harvey" |
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06 Apr 2004 09:02:21 PM |
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You can do plain simple thinking (using reason and logic) to know whether
someone is being honest, or just ranting some dogma (which never makes any
sense in the real world).
And you can design your own thought experiments - to see if there is any
sense and structure - to the bible, christianity, etc by which understanding
comes.
Established religions don't just build churches, they build their own
reheteroic and dogma too. Basically crap that gets grafted onto their
version of truth?
Jesus was against the establishment of his time - and the church/belief/
religion that lives on in his name - has become an establishment that he
would shun, if he were with us today.
He wouldn't be proud of what is going on, in his name.
Any spiritual person would not have approved.
Try to explain all the different churches, branches, sects of christianity
and how they are all divided - each in their own way.
Harvey
In article <4ud570dta517jscqk8gpqfonf3cb2b9jgv@4ax.com>,
SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com says...
On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 05:51:14 GMT, "cp" <dont@email.me> wrote:
So, tell me, what distortions are there? Or did you just read some
thing on www.nobeliefs.org or overheard someone say something? There
are some problems in translation, of course,
There are some Christians here who would now say that YOU are not a true
christian since you think
there are errors and mis-translations in the bible.
How do you now feel knowing that YOU, YOURSELF, are not a real christian?
That's what I thought.
James, Seattle
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| User: "cp" |
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06 Apr 2004 11:44:16 PM |
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You can do plain simple thinking (using reason and logic) to know whether
someone is being honest, or just ranting some dogma (which never makes any
sense in the real world).
Are you talking about me? Do you have anything of substance to say about what
I posted?
And you can design your own thought experiments - to see if there is any
sense and structure - to the bible, christianity, etc by which understanding
comes.
Yes, and did you try it? It takes more than a cursive reading of the Bible to
come to the core of its Truth. Try again, pray (whether you believe in God or not)
to God that it's Truth will be revealed to you, might help, though no supernatural
power is needed in order for the Truth of the Bible to be revealed.
Established religions don't just build churches, they build their own
reheteroic and dogma too. Basically crap that gets grafted onto their
version of truth?
There are no "versions" of Truth, something either IS or is NOT TRUE. Don't
pay attention to the various denominations, you have to seek out the truth yourself,
not get some cr@p spoonfed to you. I agree with your church statement, read the
short article at http://ekklesia.lifewithchrist.org/ it is a very serious problem, the state
of the Church in affluent countries
Read the following short book, you will be AMAZED at what the east Indian
author has to say about the state of Christianity in the West. The book is available
in PDF format or you can order it for free, I tell you it's worth reading
http://www.gfa.org/site/get_involved/revolution_in_world_missions.html
Here's an excerpt:
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"Beware of boasters. They are usually covering up
something. One of the great boasts of many Western
evangelical Christians is their devotion to Scripture. It is hard
to find a church that does not at one time or another brag
about being "Bible believing." When I first came here, I made
the mistake of taking that description at face value.
But, I have come to see that many evangelical Christians do
not really believe the Word of God, especially when it talks
about hell and judgment. Instead they selectively accept
only the portions that allow them to continue living in their
current lifestyles.
It is painful to think about hell and judgment. I understand
why preachers do not like to talk about it, because I don't
either. It is so much easier to preach that "God loves you and
has a wonderful plan for your life" or to focus on the many
delightful aspects of "possibility thinking" and the "word of
faith" that brings health, wealth and happiness. The grace
and love of God are pleasant subjects, and no one more
beautifully demonstrated them than our Lord Jesus. Yet in
His earthly ministry, He made more references to hell and
judgment than He did to heaven. Jesus lived with the reality
of hell, and He died on Calvary because He knew it was real
and coming to everyone who doesn't turn to God in this life.
Believers are willing to accept the concept of heaven, but
they look the other way when they come to passages about
hell. Very few seem to believe that those who die without
Christ are going to a place where they are tormented forever
and ever in a bottomless pit where the fire is not quenched;
where they are separated from God and His love for all
eternity without any chance of return.
If we knew the horrors of the potential judgment that
hangs over us-if we really believed in what is coming-how
differently we would live. Why aren't Christians living in
obedience to God? Because of their unbelief."
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WATCH this:
http://www.christiananswers.net/gospel/goingtoheaven.html
Jesus was against the establishment of his time - and the church/belief/
religion that lives on in his name - has become an establishment that he
would shun, if he were with us today.
He wouldn't be proud of what is going on, in his name.
Any spiritual person would not have approved.
Try to explain all the different churches, branches, sects of christianity
and how they are all divided - each in their own way.
Not ALL churches are bad, but yes, even Jesus said the following:
Matthew 7:15-23
15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but
only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your
name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'
23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
http://www.gospelcom.net/rbc/salvation/
kristoff plasun
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| User: "My name = Harvey" |
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06 Apr 2004 08:56:48 PM |
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You don't even need to read the bible to know what it is about or
what it is not about. Sometimes even just looking at the rantings and
ravings of those who have read it religiously - is enough to tell you,
what it is not about - truth. Absolute truth.
You can ask some plain simple questions - and see if there are any
decent answers to them, and then compare those answers to ones given
by christians/etc and see if they make sense?
Quite often they do not.
It is alright to question everything - because that is what Jesus did
in his time - and what Jews do today (they have animated and lively
discussions about their faith, and about god, etc).
If anything they will reaffirm your faith, if your own reasoning and
logic is clear and straight forward. If you have to have long winded,
complicated answers, then you are only fudging a truth out. If that at all.
No one is "saved". Everyone goes to heaven (the afterlife).
No matter what they have done.
Everyone has/gets eternal life.
The spirit in everyone - is basically the same, immortal. Lives on.
Any one religious group that says - that only we are the one to have
the answer, and the way and the light - is truly lying.
Harvey
In article <mzrcc.11513$J56.5183@edtnps89>, says...
You ain't no crank so I'll reply :-)
What if there are no true christians?
And how would YOU know what a TRUE Christian is? This newsgroup must
be pretty useless if you haven't learned what Christianity is about.
Though I don't like the label "Christian", God saves people, not
"Christians". George Bush is a "Christian" too, do his actions show
whether he is saved or not? Unless the monster changes, I don't think
so.
How familiar are you with Christian Theology? I'll tell you what a
TRUE Christian is. A TRUE Christian is someone who believes that the
Christ was God, part of the Trinity and has accepted him as Saviour.
Man has sinned against an infinite being who is perfectly just and
cannot have imperfection in his presence, as finite beings we cannot
repay our crime. An infinite being, God in the person of Jesus, paid
for our crime so that God's perfect justice might be satisfied. The
crime has been paid for, what it means to accept Christ as Saviour is
that you believe and accept that he has paid for your sin against the
perfect, infinite and just Being. Read the book of James, your faith
is proof whether you are Saved or not. I don't know about Bush, maybe
he'll have a chance later. No one deserves to spend Eternity with God,
no one is and no one CAN be good enough, you have to be perfect, which
is impossible for humans. What is a sin? To sin is to miss the mark,
God's PERFECT mark, we ALL have sinned. Essentially, sin is anything
that is against the will of God. Why is murder wrong? Because it is
against the will of God. Why is sexual immorality wrong? Because it is
against the will of God.
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0097/0097_01.asp
Some of them Chick tracts make me mad, they seem almost hateful, but
the guy really is concerned for peoples' eternity.
Remember, good people don't go to Heaven, SAVED people do.
To say ignorant things like you did is unexcusable in the age of
Google, there's millions of sites out there that'd answer any of your
questions. It looks like you don't want to get your questions
answered.
Watch this, every so called "Christian" on this newsgroup should watch
it too, some of you really display un-Christ like behaviour, not that
I'm a saint:
http://www.christiananswers.net/gospel/goingtoheaven.html
Here's some sites to start:
http://www.christiananswers.net http://www.str.org/
(The Bible was long since distorted, and what we have is nowhere like
the original. Was there ever one?)
You have to use your brain here. Why are you so ignorant? There are so
many Christian intellectuals out there, don't you think they have
attempted to answer objections like that? Have you even looked? Or are
you scared, not wanting to come to full belief in a Supreme Being that
is in control of your life?
The Bible is distorted? You have proof, any examples? For sure there
are translation problems, go on any Christian site and you will see
arguments for and against various translations, but you haven't done
that, no?
http://www.chick.com/information/bibleversions/
So, tell me, what distortions are there? Or did you just read some
thing on www.nobeliefs.org or overheard someone say something? There
are some problems in translation, of course, but there's nothing out
there that confuses any theology, such as the matter that if a person
is unsaved they are going to Hell, Eternity without God, a horrible
thing, I wish it were just them flames. The fact of the matter is, NO
THEOLOGICAL DOCTRINE IS IN DANGER BECAUSE OF MISTRANSLATION. Period.
what we have is nowhere like the original.
Have you gone back in time to see the original? You must really know
nothing how Jews and the monastics passed down the scriptures. Get
educated. There is NO document on earth that has as many historical
manuscripts as the Bible, NONE. NOTHING approaches it, there are
around 25,000 manuscripts.
Was there ever one?
Dumb question, where did the current Bible come from when there are
25,000 manuscripts supporting it?
And what if no one is saved? ie. everyone IS saved - automatically.
Have eternal life.
Read your Bible and then we'll talk. Why are you bothering discussing
theological matters that you don't believe?
And what if any method of respecting life and god, is valid, as long
as you hurt no one.
See, there's this matter of Absolute Truth, ONE AND ONE EQUALS TWO
EQUALS ONE AND ONE! If I didn't believe that the God that revealed
himself through Judeo-Christianty was Absolute Truth maybe I'd believe
that 'any method of respecting life and god, is valid, as long as you
hurt no one'.
And what if all the negative opinions expressed in this newsgroup,
is what your own conscience questions (and needs answering) and asks.
Sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to say.
read the books Case for Christ and Case for Faith.
kristoff plasun
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| User: "cp" |
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07 Apr 2004 12:00:51 AM |
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You don't even need to read the bible to know what it is about or
what it is not about. Sometimes even just looking at the rantings and
ravings of those who have read it religiously - is enough to tell you,
what it is not about - truth. Absolute truth.
That doesn't make any sense at all. If you want the truth about something
you go to the primary source, in this case it's the Bible, so if you wanted
to know about the Bible you wouldn't go directly to it but would rather
read a hundred opinions which may or may not be ignorant?
You can ask some plain simple questions - and see if there are any
decent answers to them, and then compare those answers to ones given
by christians/etc and see if they make sense?
Quite often they do not.
You have absolutely no idea what it means to seek the truth of a matter. Imagine
you want to get to know someone, would you go directly to the person or would you
instead talk to people who know this person???
It is alright to question everything - because that is what Jesus did
in his time -
Yes, and Jesus is alive, he's God, has always and ALWAYS will be alive.
what Jews do today (they have animated and lively
discussions about their faith, and about god, etc).
As opposed to all the other religions?? Lively and animated discussions
about faith are useless if they do not lead to the truth.
If anything they will reaffirm your faith, if your own reasoning and
logic is clear and straight forward. If you have to have long winded,
complicated answers, then you are only fudging a truth out. If that at all.
?
No one is "saved". Everyone goes to heaven (the afterlife).
No matter what they have done.
Everyone has/gets eternal life.
Oh? And you came how to this conclusion? Some special revelation
from a supernatural being perhaps? If so I hope you'll share this news!
You have evidence of this? What being has revealed this to you? Or is this just
wishful thinking?
You have to learn to think.
http://www.str.org/free/commentaries/apologetics/relativism/preftrth.htm
One more time from a previous post: The fact that I AM or am NOT a SAVED Christian is a
reality, what I THINK I AM or NOT, and what someone else THINKS I AM or NOT
is a perception and has NO effect on reality, all I can hope for is that my perception reflects
reality, and I believe it does, no point believing you're wrong and not changing, no?
Watch the following:
http://www.christiananswers.net/gospel/goingtoheaven.html
http://www.christiananswers.net/gospel/goingtoheaven.html
http://www.christiananswers.net/gospel/goingtoheaven.html
http://www.christiananswers.net/gospel/goingtoheaven.html
http://www.christiananswers.net/gospel/goingtoheaven.html
DID you watch it yet?
The spirit in everyone - is basically the same, immortal. Lives on.
Is this according to your own made up religion?
Any one religious group that says - that only we are the one to have
the answer, and the way and the light - is truly lying.
I'm not trying to be hateful here, but you are a truly foolish person, you have absolutely
no clue as to what you're talking about, do you know what ABSOLUTE TRUTH is? Look
it up on Google, till you understand it there's no point carrying this discussion any further.
kristoff plasun
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| User: "My name = Harvey" |
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07 Apr 2004 04:51:59 PM |
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The bible as it is today is the not the most wonderful and most accurate
book in the world etc. Putting 'holy' in front of 'bible' does not make it
holy. You may have millions say it is, etc - does not make it so.
If you want something unbiased and truthful (you can use google or a
dictionary to read up on this, if you like to?) - you have to go to more
than one source.
Consider buying a car. Would you go to one source? Trust one car salesman?
Read only one review? Or just reviews on Fords?
What I am saying all along - is to use your ordinary everyday commonsense
and apply it to the bible, religion, beliefs, "reality", "the truth" etc.
A would be wannabe write once wrote to me, that a writer tastes and saviours
every word and nuance that that text contains.
Do that to the bible, to what people quote to you, to christianity, etc
in order to get to the truth.
Can you trust what someone says to you? What perspective are they talking
from? A salesman has their own motive - and clergy, the church, etc
have their own motives (and perspective too).
A lot of what people quote to you - has reheteroic (dogma) attached,
that is there for conversion, for reaffirming their belief.
The scaremongering tactics won't work anymore. That only through Jesus Christ
can you be saved (isn't this religious intolerance?) - this implies
that Islam and Judiasm, etc are the wrong path.
Christians don't even agree with each other - so which one is the correct
path. Why bother when they will kill each other for their belief?
You can explain away anything - but commonsense and simple logic and
reasoning. Apply it.
You don't need some well respected author to tell about everyday ordinary
commonsense. I hope christians will apply it, for some sense in this world,
instead of nonsense.
History is rewritten all the time, and so has the bible ...
The church has sought to burn all the versions of the early bible it did
not agree with.
Harvey
In article <7WLcc.17932$J56.5527@edtnps89>, says...
You don't even need to read the bible to know what it is about or
what it is not about. Sometimes even just looking at the rantings and
ravings of those who have read it religiously - is enough to tell you,
what it is not about - truth. Absolute truth.
That doesn't make any sense at all. If you want the truth about something
you go to the primary source, in this case it's the Bible, so if you wanted
to know about the Bible you wouldn't go directly to it but would rather
read a hundred opinions which may or may not be ignorant?
You can ask some plain simple questions - and see if there are any
decent answers to them, and then compare those answers to ones given
by christians/etc and see if they make sense?
Quite often they do not.
You have absolutely no idea what it means to seek the truth of a matter.
Imagine
you want to get to know someone, would you go directly to the person or would
you
instead talk to people who know this person???
It is alright to question everything - because that is what Jesus did
in his time -
Yes, and Jesus is alive, he's God, has always and ALWAYS will be alive.
what Jews do today (they have animated and lively
discussions about their faith, and about god, etc).
As opposed to all the other religions?? Lively and animated discussions
about faith are useless if they do not lead to the truth.
If anything they will reaffirm your faith, if your own reasoning and
logic is clear and straight forward. If you have to have long winded,
complicated answers, then you are only fudging a truth out. If that at all.
?
No one is "saved". Everyone goes to heaven (the afterlife).
No matter what they have done.
Everyone has/gets eternal life.
Oh? And you came how to this conclusion? Some special revelation
from a supernatural being perhaps? If so I hope you'll share this news!
You have evidence of this? What being has revealed this to you? Or is this
just
wishful thinking?
You have to learn to think.
http://www.str.org/free/commentaries/apologetics/relativism/preftrth.htm
One more time from a previous post: The fact that I AM or am NOT a SAVED
Christian is a
reality, what I THINK I AM or NOT, and what someone else THINKS I AM or NOT
is a perception and has NO effect on reality, all I can hope for is that my
perception reflects
reality, and I believe it does, no point believing you're wrong and not
changing, no?
Watch the following:
http://www.christiananswers.net/gospel/goingtoheaven.html
http://www.christiananswers.net/gospel/goingtoheaven.html
http://www.christiananswers.net/gospel/goingtoheaven.html
http://www.christiananswers.net/gospel/goingtoheaven.html
http://www.christiananswers.net/gospel/goingtoheaven.html
DID you watch it yet?
The spirit in everyone - is basically the same, immortal. Lives on.
Is this according to your own made up religion?
Any one religious group that says - that only we are the one to have
the answer, and the way and the light - is truly lying.
I'm not trying to be hateful here, but you are a truly foolish person, you
have absolutely
no clue as to what you're talking about, do you know what ABSOLUTE TRUTH is?
Look
it up on Google, till you understand it there's no point carrying this
discussion any further.
kristoff plasun
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that's http://www.nobeliefs.com
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http://ekklesia.lifewithchrist.org/
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