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Topic: Religions > Bible
User: "Jabriol"
Date: 23 Jun 2004 05:44:12 AM
Object: TOBS: Christians who call the Flood a Lie, call the Biblical writters liars as well


Even more significant is what Jesus said about the days of the Deluge, as recorded by both Luke and Matthew. Far more than just a simple endorsement of the veracity of the Deluge account, Jesus’ words show the pictorial and prophetic significance of those ancient events. In answer to the disciples’ question, “What will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?” Jesus said, among other things: “For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.” (Mt 24:3, 37-39; Lu 17:26, 27) There is, therefore, abundant evidence from the inspired Holy Scriptures themselves to support the authenticity and genuineness of the Deluge account. It does not rest on mere traditions of men, on the folklore of primitive people, or on geologic and archaeological findings.


Jesus Christ had a prehuman existence. (Proverbs 8:30, 31) He was a spirit creature in heaven during the Flood. As an eyewitness, Jesus therefore gives us the greatest Scriptural confirmation of Noah and the Deluge. Said Jesus: “Just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.”—Matthew 24:37-39.

Would Jesus use folklore to warn us about the coming end of this system of things? Hardly! We are confident that he used a genuine example of the execution of divine judgment upon the wicked. Yes, lives were lost, but we can draw comfort from knowing that Noah and his family were saved through the Flood.

“The days of Noah” are highly significant for those living today, during “the presence of the Son of man,” Jesus Christ. As we read the detailed account of the global Flood preserved in a record kept by Noah, we can be certain that it is a genuine historical document. And the divinely inspired Genesis account of the Deluge has great meaning for us. Just as Noah, his sons, and their wives put faith in God’s means of survival, we today can come under Jehovah’s protection on the basis of our faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice. (Matthew 20:28) Moreover, we can have the hope of being among the survivors of the end of this wicked system of things just as Noah’s log shows that he and his family survived the Flood that brought an end to the godless world of that time.
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User: "John Smith"

Title: Re: TOBS: Christians who call the Flood a Lie, call the Biblicalwritters liars as well 23 Jun 2004 07:47:56 AM
Jabriol wrote:



Even more significant is what Jesus said about the days of the Deluge, as recorded by both Luke and Matthew. Far more than just a simple endorsement of the veracity of the Deluge account, Jesus’ words show the pictorial and prophetic significance of those ancient events. In answer to the disciples’ question, “What will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?” Jesus said, among other things: “For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.” (Mt 24:3, 37-39; Lu 17:26, 27) There is, therefore, abundant evidence from the inspired Holy Scriptures themselves to support the authenticity and genuineness of the Deluge account. It does not rest o

n mere traditions of men, on the folklore of primitive people, or on geologic and archaeological findings.



Jesus Christ had a prehuman existence. (Proverbs 8:30, 31) He was a spirit creature in heaven during the Flood. As an eyewitness, Jesus therefore gives us the greatest Scriptural confirmation of Noah and the Deluge. Said Jesus: “Just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.”—Matthew 24:37-39.

Would Jesus use folklore to warn us about the coming end of this system of things? Hardly! We are confident that he used a genuine example of the execution of divine judgment upon the wicked. Yes, lives were lost, but we can draw comfort from knowing that Noah and his family were saved through the Flood.

“The days of Noah” are highly significant for those living today, during “the presence of the Son of man,” Jesus Christ. As we read the detailed account of the global Flood preserved in a record kept by Noah, we can be certain that it is a genuine historical document. And the divinely inspired Genesis account of the Deluge has great meaning for us. Just as Noah, his sons, and their wives put faith in God’s means of survival, we today can come under Jehovah’s protection on the basis of our faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice. (Matthew 20:28) Moreover, we can have the hope of being among the survivors of the end of this wicked system of things just as Noah’s log shows that he and his family survived the Flood that brought an end to the godless world of that time.


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User: "~~~o"

Title: Re: TOBS: Christians who call the Flood a Lie, call the Biblical writters liars as well 23 Jun 2004 11:14:28 AM
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Jabriol illegally wrote:

Even more significant is what Jesus said about the days of the

Deluge, as recorded by both Luke and Matthew. Far more than just a simple
endorsement of the veracity of the Deluge account, Jesus’ words show the
pictorial and prophetic significance of those ancient events. In answer to
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User: ""

Title: Re: TOBS: Christians who call the Flood a Lie, call the Biblical writters liars as well 23 Jun 2004 05:36:08 PM
John Smith <user@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<0_eCc.87426$mX.29138203@twister.nyc.rr.com>...

Jabriol wrote:


Is this copywrited material from the Watchtower?

Is it?

You are breaking laws
if you did not have prior permission. Please obey the Law!

first you must demostrate that the law has been broken. Now then. Do
you have anything constructive to say? I think not.
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User: "bob"

Title: Re: TOBS: Christians who call the Flood a Lie, call the Biblical writters liars as well 25 Jun 2004 04:17:11 PM
wrote:

John Smith <user@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<0_eCc.87426$mX.29138203@twister.nyc.rr.com>...

Jabriol wrote:

Is this copywrited material from the Watchtower?



Is it?


You are breaking laws
if you did not have prior permission. Please obey the Law!



first you must demostrate that the law has been broken. Now then. Do
you have anything constructive to say? I think not.

Was the passage at the top of this thread submitted by you an oringinal
work or was it copied from somewhere else? If it was copied, did the
originator grant you explicit permission to reproduce the work here? Are
you allowed to not qoute your source? If this is from a Watchtower
Publication then I will complain to the Watchtower. If they do nothing
against you, then they cannot feel justified in attacking others who use
quotes from their lit
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User: ""

Title: Re: TOBS: Christians who call the Flood a Lie, call the Biblical writters liars as well 26 Jun 2004 06:16:32 AM
bob <bob@me.com> wrote in message news:<rD0Dc.179$a92.150@twister.nyc.rr.com>...

jabriol@hotmail.com wrote:

John Smith <user@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<0_eCc.87426$mX.29138203@twister.nyc.rr.com>...

Jabriol wrote:

Is this copywrited material from the Watchtower?



Is it?


You are breaking laws
if you did not have prior permission. Please obey the Law!



first you must demostrate that the law has been broken. Now then. Do
you have anything constructive to say? I think not.


Was the passage at the top of this thread submitted by you an oringinal
work or was it copied from somewhere else? If it was copied, did the
originator grant you explicit permission to reproduce the work here? Are
you allowed to not qoute your source? If this is from a Watchtower
Publication then I will complain to the Watchtower. If they do nothing
against you, then they cannot feel justified in attacking others who use
quotes from their lit

as I thought, nothing constructive to say..
it seems I am right, christians who do not believe in the flood, call
Jesus a liar. And nobody can refute this.
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User: "Weatherwax"

Title: Re: TOBS: Christians who call the Flood a Lie, call the Biblical writters liars as well 26 Jun 2004 02:34:35 PM
<jabriol@hotmail.com> wrote in message


it seems I am right, christians who do not believe in the
flood, call Jesus a liar. And nobody can refute this.

How can somebody call Jesus a liar, when we do not know for sure
what he said?
He wrote nothing himself. "Mark" was at least a third generation
report. "Matthew" and "Luke" were merely revisions of "Mark".
"John" shows clear evidence of revisions and editing. Therefore,
there is no statement which we can be certain was actually made
by Jesus. Thus, no way in which to call Jesus a liar.
--
Wax
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User: "John Watson"

Title: Re: TOBS: Christians who call the Flood a Lie, call the Biblical writters liars as well 26 Jun 2004 02:58:37 PM
<jabriol@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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bob <bob@me.com> wrote in message
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jabriol@hotmail.com wrote:

John Smith <user@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jabriol wrote:

Is this copywrited material from the Watchtower?



Is it?


You are breaking laws
if you did not have prior permission. Please obey the Law!



first you must demostrate that the law has been broken. Now then. Do
you have anything constructive to say? I think not.


Was the passage at the top of this thread submitted by you an oringinal
work or was it copied from somewhere else? If it was copied, did the
originator grant you explicit permission to reproduce the work here? Are
you allowed to not qoute your source? If this is from a Watchtower
Publication then I will complain to the Watchtower. If they do nothing
against you, then they cannot feel justified in attacking others who use
quotes from their lit


as I thought, nothing constructive to say..

it seems I am right, christians who do not believe in the flood, call
Jesus a liar. And nobody can refute this.

Is there something wrong here? Why all this infighting among "Christians",
Aha!, you are not Christians you say, OK that explains it, eh! Just
cultists, that's all. <VBG>
You may now continue fighting!
John
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User: "Weatherwax"

Title: Re: TOBS: Christians who call the Flood a Lie, call the Biblical writters liars as well 26 Jun 2004 06:38:23 PM
"John Watson" <JohnW@aol.com> wrote in message


Is there something wrong here? Why all this infighting
among "Christians",
Aha!, you are not Christians you say, OK that explains
it, eh! Just cultists, that's all. <VBG>

You may now continue fighting!

If you wish to just have a little discussion among friendly
Christians, then go back to your Sunday School class. Meanwhile,
this newsgroup is open to people of every viewpoint.
--
Wax
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User: "John Watson"

Title: Re: TOBS: Christians who call the Flood a Lie, call the Biblical writters liars as well 26 Jun 2004 09:10:42 PM
"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message
news:PNnDc.32304$OB3.21279@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...


"John Watson" <JohnW@aol.com> wrote in message


Is there something wrong here? Why all this infighting
among "Christians",
Aha!, you are not Christians you say, OK that explains
it, eh! Just cultists, that's all. <VBG>

You may now continue fighting!


If you wish to just have a little discussion among friendly
Christians, then go back to your Sunday School class. Meanwhile,
this newsgroup is open to people of every viewpoint.

I told you that you may continue, I find it quite amusing! <VBG>
A JW calling someone a liar, what next, accuse someone of belonging to a
cult? <G>
John
.



User: "Puck Greenman"

Title: Re: TOBS: Christians who call the Flood a Lie, call the Biblical writters liars as well 26 Jun 2004 05:58:36 PM
On 26 Jun 2004 04:16:32 -0700,
with calm
deliberation, and malace aforethought, wrote:

as I thought, nothing constructive to say..

it seems I am right, christians who do not believe in the flood, call
Jesus a liar. And nobody can refute this.

Naughty Jibbers, climbing out of the sin bin.
That'll teach me not to leave the lid off our comfort cot.
Back you go.
Spludge!
Ooops: Wrong bin.
Puck Greenman

#162

BAAWA Knight.

Blesed is the self righteous xtian,
for his is the sure and certain knowledge
that no matter what load of tripe he
comes out with:
God told him to say it.
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