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Religions > Bible |
| User: |
"JaBrIoL" |
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02 Apr 2004 11:19:26 AM |
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TOBS: what is a "kind"? what is a species? |
[speciation or it defintion is contreversial at best.
Even the T.O faqs mentioned it has more than 5
defintions depending on the science discipline.
However to produce a whole new lifeform, where it
can't bread with its parent generation, would be the
example I am looking for.]
Tin: Two important points. First, the fact that there is
no clear
dividing line between different kinds of animals refutes
the anti-
evolutionist positions that there are.
You have got to be kidding, to define kind is as difficult as to
define species. The dividing line would be breeding in nature.
One of Lenny Flanks pet peeves is New Jersey treefrogs, is a case in
point, there are two species of tree frogs that in appearnce they are
Identical. They do not, will not breed in nature, nor captive. He use
this example to stress a point. Don't remeber what his point was. But
I use to tease him about to the point of fustration :-)
In fact, the
continunity of
species (life) is a fundamental component of evolution.
So the
difficulty in defining species is not a problem for
evolution, but
rather a result of it. Secondly, evolution to the point
of
speciation is observed pretty much regardless of the
definition you
use. So, the definition is not much of an issue.
Speciations
happens.
does it happen.. yes, Pittbull is a point in case. Does speciation
have a Limit? yes it does. a Dog, will still remain a dog, etc.
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| User: "Frank Reichenbacher" |
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| Title: Re: what is a "kind"? what is a species? |
02 Apr 2004 04:15:14 PM |
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"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
news:d222de3e.0404020919.5952ea2d@posting.google.com...
[speciation or it defintion is contreversial at best.
Even the T.O faqs mentioned it has more than 5
defintions depending on the science discipline.
However to produce a whole new lifeform, where it
can't bread with its parent generation, would be the
example I am looking for.]
Tin: Two important points. First, the fact that there is
no clear
dividing line between different kinds of animals refutes
the anti-
evolutionist positions that there are.
You have got to be kidding, to define kind is as difficult
No its not. A kind is whatever a JW cretinist like you needs it to be.
See, that wasn't so hard.
as to
define species. The dividing line would be breeding in nature.
One of Lenny Flanks pet peeves is New Jersey treefrogs, is a case in
point, there are two species of tree frogs that in appearnce they are
Identical. They do not, will not breed in nature, nor captive.
There are many, many, many apparently identical species which are
nonetheless genetically and behaviorally distinct and separate from one
another.
Most "species" do not reproduce sexually. Tell me then, oh Mr. Genius, how
would *you* distinguish them.
He use
this example to stress a point. Don't remeber what his point was.
You can't remember because you were'nt capable of understanding his point.
But
I use to tease him about to the point of fustration :-)
In fact, the
continunity of
species (life) is a fundamental component of evolution.
So the
difficulty in defining species is not a problem for
evolution, but
rather a result of it. Secondly, evolution to the point
of
speciation is observed pretty much regardless of the
definition you
use. So, the definition is not much of an issue.
Speciations
happens.
does it happen.. yes, Pittbull is a point in case. Does speciation
have a Limit? yes it does. a Dog, will still remain a dog, etc.
Pitbulls and Dachsunds are different "kinds" of dogs you complete imbecile.
Frank
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| User: "P.Comm" |
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| Title: Re: what is a "kind"? what is a species? |
02 Apr 2004 03:38:04 PM |
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"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
news:d222de3e.0404020919.5952ea2d@posting.google.com...
[speciation or it defintion is contreversial at best.
Even the T.O faqs mentioned it has more than 5
defintions depending on the science discipline.
However to produce a whole new lifeform, where it
can't bread with its parent generation, would be the
example I am looking for.]
Tin: Two important points. First, the fact that there is
no clear
dividing line between different kinds of animals refutes
the anti-
evolutionist positions that there are.
You have got to be kidding, to define kind is as difficult as to
define species. The dividing line would be breeding in nature.
No it's not. Jackals, Coyotes and Dogs are three species in the Canine
Genus. They are highly cross fertile producing very fertile hybrid
offspring. The offspring can mate with each other or with either of the 2
species that produced them. Many plants are fertile across Family and
Genus.
One of Lenny Flanks pet peeves is New Jersey treefrogs, is a case in
point, there are two species of tree frogs that in appearnce they are
Identical. They do not, will not breed in nature, nor captive. He use
this example to stress a point. Don't remeber what his point was. But
I use to tease him about to the point of fustration :-)
In fact, the
continunity of
species (life) is a fundamental component of evolution.
So the
difficulty in defining species is not a problem for
evolution, but
rather a result of it. Secondly, evolution to the point
of
speciation is observed pretty much regardless of the
definition you
use. So, the definition is not much of an issue.
Speciations
happens.
does it happen.. yes, Pittbull is a point in case. Does speciation
have a Limit? yes it does. a Dog, will still remain a dog, etc.
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