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Tom DeLay's Lawyer Calls Tom DeLay a Liar (GOP, The Party of Treason) |
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3376104
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"I have not testified before the grand jury to present my side of the
case, and they indicted me," said DeLay, according to the Associated
Press.
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OOPS!!!!
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***** DeGuerin, the attorney representing DeLay, said Thursday that
DeLay actually WAS INVITED to appear before the grand jury, where he
would have been under oath. The Houston attorney was not yet on the
legal team when DeLay was asked to appear, but he said other attorneys
advised him not to testify — a decision DeGuerin supports.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1932 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:21:00 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's
Cocaine Snorting *****" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3376104
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"I have not testified before the grand jury to present my side of the
case, and they indicted me," said DeLay, according to the Associated
Press.
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OOPS!!!!
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***** DeGuerin, the attorney representing DeLay, said Thursday that
DeLay actually WAS INVITED to appear before the grand jury, where he
would have been under oath. The Houston attorney was not yet on the
legal team when DeLay was asked to appear, but he said other attorneys
advised him not to testify — a decision DeGuerin supports.
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Amusing, isn't it? The guy is flopping like a fish.
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Josh
"It was amazing I won. I was running against peace and prosperity
and incumbency." - George W. Bush
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02 Oct 2005 10:41:36 AM |
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On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:21:00 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's
Cocaine Snorting *****" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3376104
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"I have not testified before the grand jury to present my side of the
case, and they indicted me," said DeLay, according to the Associated
Press.
==============
OOPS!!!!
==============
***** DeGuerin, the attorney representing DeLay, said Thursday that
DeLay actually WAS INVITED to appear before the grand jury, where he
would have been under oath. The Houston attorney was not yet on the
legal team when DeLay was asked to appear, but he said other attorneys
advised him not to testify — a decision DeGuerin supports.
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Sept. 30, 2005, 3:11PM
DeLay says he didn't get to tell his side
By JANET ELLIOTT
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle Austin Bureau
AUSTIN - The day after U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay's grand jury indictment,
his lawyer and the jury foreman on Thursday appeared to contradict the
Texas politician's assertions that he was not given a chance to speak
before the jury.
The foreman, William M. Gibson Jr., a retired state insurance
investigator, said the Travis County grand jury waited until
Wednesday, the final day of its term, to indict him because it was
hoping he would accept jurors' invitation to testify.
DeLay said in interviews that the grand jury never asked him to
testify.
In a Wednesday night appearance on MSNBC's Hardball with Chris
Matthews, he said Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle never
talked to him or asked him to testify.
"Never asking me to testify, never doing anything for two years,"
DeLay said in the interview. "And then, on the last day of his fourth
or sixth grand jury, he indicts me. Why? Because his goal was to make
me step down as majority leader."
On Thursday, DeLay said in another broadcast interview that he was
under the impression that he wasn't going to be indicted because he
hadn't been called to testify before the grand jury.
"I have not testified before the grand jury to present my side of the
case, and they indicted me," said DeLay, according to the Associated
Press.
***** DeGuerin, the attorney representing DeLay, said Thursday that
DeLay actually was invited to appear before the grand jury, where he
would have been under oath. The Houston attorney was not yet on the
legal team when DeLay was asked to appear, but he said other attorneys
advised him not to testify — a decision DeGuerin supports.
DeGuerin said that DeLay may have been referring in the interviews to
the fact that the grand jury did not subpoena him to testify.
Gibson said there was an open invitation, but the grand jury decided
not to force him to appear.
Questions in August
In late August, DeLay answered questions from Earle but was not under
oath, although the session was recorded by a stenographer.
"Ronnie Earle was saying, 'This grand jury is ready to indict you.' I
don't know of a prosecutor that would not slather to try to get a
target in front of a grand jury," DeGuerin said.
He said if DeLay had appeared before the grand jury, he could not have
been accompanied by his lawyer inside the hearing and there would have
been "no judge to prevent prosecutors from brow-beating" him.
"The prosecutor has all of the advantages in a grand jury setting. The
prosecutor controls the information a grand jury gets. The defense has
no right to call witnesses, to cross-examine or to be present to be
sure that the rules are followed," DeGuerin said.
DeLay, R-Sugar Land, did step down as majority leader after he was
indicted Wednesday on a charge of criminal conspiracy, accused of
conspiring with two of his political associates to funnel $190,000 in
corporate cash illegally to seven Texas House candidates in the 2002
elections. He remains in Congress while he fights the charge, which
carries a maximum penalty of two years in confinement and a fine of up
to $10,000.
Politics blamed again
On Thursday, he continued to blast Earle as a partisan Democrat and
said the three-year investigation and indictment are politically
motivated. He said he will beat the charge because he did nothing
wrong.
DeLay will make his first appearance in court Oct. 21. DeGuerin said
DeLay will be in court that day but that anyone expecting to see DeLay
handcuffed and paraded before cameras in a so-called "perp walk" will
be disappointed.
"I'd call their hand if they tried to do that," said DeGuerin. There
was no indication Thursday how authorities planned to handle the court
appearance.
Gibson, 76, declined to identify his party affiliation, but he has
voted in every Democratic primary since 1990, according to Travis
County voting records.
He would not identify other grand jurors or say whether the 12-person
grand jury was made up of more Democrats than Republicans. His name
was made public because as foreman, he had to sign the indictment.
"We had Republicans and Democrats and independents on that grand
jury," Gibson said. "They were all professional people. I won't say
where they work, but there were state employees and federal
employees."
State District Judge Mike Lynch, who was in charge of the grand jury,
said that the names of the other grand jurors could not be released.
The issue of whether grand jury names are public information is under
consideration by Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott.
Gibson said he worked for 20 years as a Travis County deputy sheriff
and 21 years as an investigator for the state insurance commissioner.
In those capacities, he said he appeared as a witness before grand
juries. He also said he had served on more grand juries that he could
remember but had not been on one since 2000.
Gibson said Earle did not pressure the panel to vote to indict: "He
wanted us to listen to the facts presented. If we needed additional
information they presented it. But he did not in any way say, 'We want
this done.' "
Gibson said the grand jury knew that DeLay had spoken to Earle but had
their own questions for DeLay.
Gibson would not discuss any of the evidence against DeLay.
"We felt there was sufficient evidence presented to us over the
months," he said.
Travis County is one of the more liberal counties in Texas, with most
of the local judges and countywide officials Democrats. DeGuerin would
not say whether he would ask that the trial be moved to a different
county.
DeLay is accused of conspiring with John Colyandro, executive director
of TRMPAC, and Jim Ellis, director of DeLay's Americans for a
Republican Majority, to illegally swap money with the Republican
National State Elections Committee, an arm of the Republican National
Committee.
A separate indictment last year accused another DeLay associate,
Warren RoBold of Maryland, with taking illegal corporate money for
TRMPAC.
DeGuerin said lawyers for Colyandro, Ellis and RoBold have told him
they have not made any deals with Earle's office to testify against
DeLay.
Chronicle reporter R.G. Ratcliffe contributed to this report.
janet.elliott@chron.com
© 2005 Houston Chronicle
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Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
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| Title: Re: Tom DeLay's Lawyer Calls Tom DeLay a Liar (GOP, The Party of Treason) |
30 Sep 2005 10:17:36 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:21:00 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Yang, AthD
(h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> in
<s6srj1l9c6shl4qr65m93impak1nla78te@4ax.com> wrote:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3376104
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"I have not testified before the grand jury to present my side of the
case, and they indicted me," said DeLay, according to the Associated
Press.
==============
OOPS!!!!
==============
***** DeGuerin, the attorney representing DeLay, said Thursday that
DeLay actually WAS INVITED to appear before the grand jury, where he
would have been under oath. The Houston attorney was not yet on the
legal team when DeLay was asked to appear, but he said other attorneys
advised him not to testify — a decision DeGuerin supports.
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So where is the lie? He did not testify.
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Matt Silberstein
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01 Oct 2005 10:17:44 AM |
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On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 03:17:36 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:21:00 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Yang, AthD
(h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> in
<s6srj1l9c6shl4qr65m93impak1nla78te@4ax.com> wrote:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3376104
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"I have not testified before the grand jury to present my side of the
case, and they indicted me," said DeLay, according to the Associated
Press.
==============
OOPS!!!!
==============
***** DeGuerin, the attorney representing DeLay, said Thursday that
DeLay actually WAS INVITED to appear before the grand jury, where he
would have been under oath. The Houston attorney was not yet on the
legal team when DeLay was asked to appear, but he said other attorneys
advised him not to testify — a decision DeGuerin supports.
==============
So where is the lie? He did not testify.
It's called lie by omission.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1932 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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01 Oct 2005 10:53:00 AM |
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On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 08:17:44 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Yang, AthD
(h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> in
<p3atj1hvmjnj3cagskfopul23n23c6c7b8@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 03:17:36 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:21:00 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Yang, AthD
(h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> in
<s6srj1l9c6shl4qr65m93impak1nla78te@4ax.com> wrote:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3376104
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"I have not testified before the grand jury to present my side of the
case, and they indicted me," said DeLay, according to the Associated
Press.
==============
OOPS!!!!
==============
***** DeGuerin, the attorney representing DeLay, said Thursday that
DeLay actually WAS INVITED to appear before the grand jury, where he
would have been under oath. The Houston attorney was not yet on the
legal team when DeLay was asked to appear, but he said other attorneys
advised him not to testify — a decision DeGuerin supports.
==============
So where is the lie? He did not testify.
It's called lie by omission.
Which is a form of telling the truth. How about you wait a bit, count
ten, and post when you have something of value. Posting everything
that could possibly be seen as bad about your opponent just muddies
the waters. You are using the "if I throw enough mud, some will
stick." Fortunately that does not work.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
Genocide is news | Be A Witness
http://www.beawitness.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
www.darfurgenocide.org
Save Darfur.org :: Violence and Suffering in Sudan's Darfur Region
http://www.savedarfur.org/
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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02 Oct 2005 03:59:16 AM |
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On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 15:53:00 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 08:17:44 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Yang, AthD
(h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> in
<p3atj1hvmjnj3cagskfopul23n23c6c7b8@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 03:17:36 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:21:00 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Yang, AthD
(h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> in
<s6srj1l9c6shl4qr65m93impak1nla78te@4ax.com> wrote:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3376104
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"I have not testified before the grand jury to present my side of the
case, and they indicted me," said DeLay, according to the Associated
Press.
==============
OOPS!!!!
==============
***** DeGuerin, the attorney representing DeLay, said Thursday that
DeLay actually WAS INVITED to appear before the grand jury, where he
would have been under oath. The Houston attorney was not yet on the
legal team when DeLay was asked to appear, but he said other attorneys
advised him not to testify — a decision DeGuerin supports.
==============
So where is the lie? He did not testify.
It's called lie by omission.
Which is a form of telling the truth. How about you wait a bit, count
ten, and post when you have something of value. Posting everything
that could possibly be seen as bad about your opponent just muddies
the waters. You are using the "if I throw enough mud, some will
stick." Fortunately that does not work.
I get it. Clinton technically did not have sex with Monica Lewinsky.
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1932 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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02 Oct 2005 08:30:14 PM |
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On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 01:59:16 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Yang, AthD
(h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> in
<aa8vj199c5s9cjgps3k1qqvbgs4kkhggfc@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 15:53:00 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 08:17:44 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Yang, AthD
(h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> in
<p3atj1hvmjnj3cagskfopul23n23c6c7b8@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 03:17:36 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:21:00 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Yang, AthD
(h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> in
<s6srj1l9c6shl4qr65m93impak1nla78te@4ax.com> wrote:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3376104
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"I have not testified before the grand jury to present my side of the
case, and they indicted me," said DeLay, according to the Associated
Press.
==============
OOPS!!!!
==============
***** DeGuerin, the attorney representing DeLay, said Thursday that
DeLay actually WAS INVITED to appear before the grand jury, where he
would have been under oath. The Houston attorney was not yet on the
legal team when DeLay was asked to appear, but he said other attorneys
advised him not to testify — a decision DeGuerin supports.
==============
So where is the lie? He did not testify.
It's called lie by omission.
Which is a form of telling the truth. How about you wait a bit, count
ten, and post when you have something of value. Posting everything
that could possibly be seen as bad about your opponent just muddies
the waters. You are using the "if I throw enough mud, some will
stick." Fortunately that does not work.
I get it. Clinton technically did not have sex with Monica Lewinsky.
I have absolutely no idea why you chose to change the subject in that
way. You gave an untrue statement in the subject. Running from that
does not change that.
BTW, ask some of your friends, a remarkably large % of the population
does not consider oral sex sex. Check the rising rates of oral/anal
sex among teenagers. They know that they should not have sex, so they
don't. They just do this other stuff.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
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03 Oct 2005 07:04:20 AM |
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"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
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BTW, ask some of your friends, a remarkably large % of the population
does not consider oral sex sex. Check the rising rates of oral/anal
sex among teenagers. They know that they should not have sex, so they
don't. They just do this other stuff.
Go play with yourself. It's likely the only sex you know.
Say calmly "Stained dress" and take a deep breath and you will feel better.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
Yeah? Do what? Give them food so their corrupt leaders can get it?
jt
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01 Oct 2005 12:31:48 PM |
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in article qtvrj1p8hfin3976ro038rf42fq43ar16e@4ax.com, Matt Silberstein at
RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com wrote on 9/30/05 10:17 PM:
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:21:00 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Yang, AthD
(h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> in
<s6srj1l9c6shl4qr65m93impak1nla78te@4ax.com> wrote:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3376104
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"I have not testified before the grand jury to present my side of the
case, and they indicted me," said DeLay, according to the Associated
Press.
==============
OOPS!!!!
==============
***** DeGuerin, the attorney representing DeLay, said Thursday that
DeLay actually WAS INVITED to appear before the grand jury, where he
would have been under oath. The Houston attorney was not yet on the
legal team when DeLay was asked to appear, but he said other attorneys
advised him not to testify — a decision DeGuerin supports.
==============
So where is the lie? He did not testify.
Technically, Mr. DeLay did not lie. But the obvious inference in his
statement is that he did not have the opportunity to testify. He certainly
did not make it clear that he was invited to testify and chose not to. So
it is more accurate to say that his statement was (intentionally)
misleading.
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01 Oct 2005 12:53:52 PM |
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On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 17:31:48 GMT, in alt.atheism , Matthew Lybanon
<lybanon@earthlink.net> in <BF643220.EF08%lybanon@earthlink.net>
wrote:
in article qtvrj1p8hfin3976ro038rf42fq43ar16e@4ax.com, Matt Silberstein at
RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com wrote on 9/30/05 10:17 PM:
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:21:00 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Yang, AthD
(h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> in
<s6srj1l9c6shl4qr65m93impak1nla78te@4ax.com> wrote:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3376104
==============
"I have not testified before the grand jury to present my side of the
case, and they indicted me," said DeLay, according to the Associated
Press.
==============
OOPS!!!!
==============
***** DeGuerin, the attorney representing DeLay, said Thursday that
DeLay actually WAS INVITED to appear before the grand jury, where he
would have been under oath. The Houston attorney was not yet on the
legal team when DeLay was asked to appear, but he said other attorneys
advised him not to testify — a decision DeGuerin supports.
==============
So where is the lie? He did not testify.
Technically, Mr. DeLay did not lie. But the obvious inference in his
statement is that he did not have the opportunity to testify. He certainly
did not make it clear that he was invited to testify and chose not to. So
it is more accurate to say that his statement was (intentionally)
misleading.
Here is a riddle. If "intentionally misleading" is wrong, what do you
think of this thread title and the person who posted it? Did Delay's
lawyer call Delay a liar? Not did he give evidence that supports a
claim that Delay intentionally deceived, but did he call Delay a liar?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
Genocide is news | Be A Witness
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"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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Save Darfur.org :: Violence and Suffering in Sudan's Darfur Region
http://www.savedarfur.org/
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01 Oct 2005 11:18:14 PM |
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in article d5jtj19dt99c2jqg9ollcstcunpemnkaup@4ax.com, Matt Silberstein at
RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com wrote on 10/1/05 12:53 PM:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 17:31:48 GMT, in alt.atheism , Matthew Lybanon
<lybanon@earthlink.net> in <BF643220.EF08%lybanon@earthlink.net>
wrote:
in article qtvrj1p8hfin3976ro038rf42fq43ar16e@4ax.com, Matt Silberstein at
RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com wrote on 9/30/05 10:17 PM:
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:21:00 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Yang, AthD
(h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> in
<s6srj1l9c6shl4qr65m93impak1nla78te@4ax.com> wrote:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3376104
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"I have not testified before the grand jury to present my side of the
case, and they indicted me," said DeLay, according to the Associated
Press.
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OOPS!!!!
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***** DeGuerin, the attorney representing DeLay, said Thursday that
DeLay actually WAS INVITED to appear before the grand jury, where he
would have been under oath. The Houston attorney was not yet on the
legal team when DeLay was asked to appear, but he said other attorneys
advised him not to testify — a decision DeGuerin supports.
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So where is the lie? He did not testify.
Technically, Mr. DeLay did not lie. But the obvious inference in his
statement is that he did not have the opportunity to testify. He certainly
did not make it clear that he was invited to testify and chose not to. So
it is more accurate to say that his statement was (intentionally)
misleading.
Here is a riddle. If "intentionally misleading" is wrong, what do you
think of this thread title and the person who posted it? Did Delay's
lawyer call Delay a liar? Not did he give evidence that supports a
claim that Delay intentionally deceived, but did he call Delay a liar?
OK, if it makes you feel better, the person who gave this thread its title
used misleading language. Shame, shame. But Tom DeLay is the one under
indictment, not the person who started this thread. And Mr. DeLay's lawyer
contradicted Mr. DeLay's inference.
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On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 04:18:14 GMT, in alt.atheism , Matthew Lybanon
<lybanon@earthlink.net> in <BF64C9B3.EFC0%lybanon@earthlink.net>
wrote:
in article d5jtj19dt99c2jqg9ollcstcunpemnkaup@4ax.com, Matt Silberstein at
RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com wrote on 10/1/05 12:53 PM:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 17:31:48 GMT, in alt.atheism , Matthew Lybanon
<lybanon@earthlink.net> in <BF643220.EF08%lybanon@earthlink.net>
wrote:
in article qtvrj1p8hfin3976ro038rf42fq43ar16e@4ax.com, Matt Silberstein at
RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com wrote on 9/30/05 10:17 PM:
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:21:00 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Yang, AthD
(h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> in
<s6srj1l9c6shl4qr65m93impak1nla78te@4ax.com> wrote:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3376104
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"I have not testified before the grand jury to present my side of the
case, and they indicted me," said DeLay, according to the Associated
Press.
==============
OOPS!!!!
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***** DeGuerin, the attorney representing DeLay, said Thursday that
DeLay actually WAS INVITED to appear before the grand jury, where he
would have been under oath. The Houston attorney was not yet on the
legal team when DeLay was asked to appear, but he said other attorneys
advised him not to testify — a decision DeGuerin supports.
==============
So where is the lie? He did not testify.
Technically, Mr. DeLay did not lie. But the obvious inference in his
statement is that he did not have the opportunity to testify. He certainly
did not make it clear that he was invited to testify and chose not to. So
it is more accurate to say that his statement was (intentionally)
misleading.
Here is a riddle. If "intentionally misleading" is wrong, what do you
think of this thread title and the person who posted it? Did Delay's
lawyer call Delay a liar? Not did he give evidence that supports a
claim that Delay intentionally deceived, but did he call Delay a liar?
OK, if it makes you feel better, the person who gave this thread its title
used misleading language. Shame, shame. But Tom DeLay is the one under
indictment, not the person who started this thread. And Mr. DeLay's lawyer
contradicted Mr. DeLay's inference.
Yep, and Yang lied. DeLay's actions are his and Yang's are his.
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Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3376104
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"I have not testified before the grand jury to present my side of the
case, and they indicted me," said DeLay, according to the Associated
Press.
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OOPS!!!!
Well, that's the oldest lawyer trick, since they invented
prostitution.
Since it's perfectly legal to lie about Grand Juries,
unless you're on one.
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***** DeGuerin, the attorney representing DeLay, said Thursday that
DeLay actually WAS INVITED to appear before the grand jury, where he
would have been under oath. The Houston attorney was not yet on the
legal team when DeLay was asked to appear, but he said other attorneys
advised him not to testify - a decision DeGuerin supports.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1932 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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