Religions > Bible > Tommy are these charges against you true? You wish to get laid before marriage?
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16 Apr 2005 02:11:31 PM |
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Tommy are these charges against you true? You wish to get laid before marriage? |
Tommy please explain I wish to help you if this is true. But perhaps
they are lying.
<<About girls and how he and his buddies have a contest going to see
who
can get laid the most...
Of course, the irony is that Tommy also pretends that he knows enough
about John, when the only thing I can see that the two of them have in
common is their attitude towards Steve Walz. Oh, and of course the
trait of letting that one thing blind them to everything else. >>
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16 Apr 2005 06:57:35 PM |
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<johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1113678691.530468.131140@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
: Tommy please explain I wish to help you if this is true. But perhaps
: they are lying.
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"...are these charges against you true?" What a fat head...
Hast thou a poppet, Goody Proctor? Yea or nay!!!
Just Mark
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16 Apr 2005 03:11:39 PM |
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<johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote:
Tommy please explain I wish to help you if this is true. But perhaps
they are lying.
<<About girls and how he and his buddies have a contest going to see
who
can get laid the most...
John, you really need to read his posts. Everything Roger and I said
can be found in his posts to alt.parenting.solutions.
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16 Apr 2005 11:24:01 AM |
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Mike Rosenberg wrote:
<johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote:
Tommy please explain I wish to help you if this is true. But perhaps
they are lying.
<<About girls and how he and his buddies have a contest going to see
who
can get laid the most...
John, you really need to read his posts. Everything Roger and I said
can be found in his posts to alt.parenting.solutions.
What's wrong with my post Mike? Personally, I could care less about being
'politically correct' I have my opinions just as you have yours, you nor
anyone else will change what I think and say, (&) How dare you even try.
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In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -
George Orwell, 1984
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| User: "Roger" |
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16 Apr 2005 03:39:30 PM |
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In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
in message <5568913.fPNIn7kWkq@(FreeBSD)>:
Mike Rosenberg wrote:
<johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote:
Tommy please explain I wish to help you if this is true. But perhaps
they are lying.
<<About girls and how he and his buddies have a contest going to see
who
can get laid the most...
John, you really need to read his posts. Everything Roger and I said
can be found in his posts to alt.parenting.solutions.
What's wrong with my post Mike? Personally, I could care less about being
'politically correct' I have my opinions just as you have yours, you nor
anyone else will change what I think and say, (&) How dare you even try.
The point here is john's assumptions about everyone else, which zie
does not apply to you, and the fact that those people zie is currently
using this list to harass zie has no basis on which to do -- while
your distinct lack of morals you have amply demonstrated for anyone
who bothered to pay attention.
But you both share a hate of third person, which is enough for you
both to make demonstrably erroneous assumptions about each other.
And neither of you is self aware enough to realize the problem with
that.
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| User: "Tommy" |
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16 Apr 2005 12:36:16 PM |
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Roger wrote:
In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
in message <5568913.fPNIn7kWkq@(FreeBSD)>:
Mike Rosenberg wrote:
<johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote:
Tommy please explain I wish to help you if this is true. But perhaps
they are lying.
<<About girls and how he and his buddies have a contest going to see
who
can get laid the most...
John, you really need to read his posts. Everything Roger and I said
can be found in his posts to alt.parenting.solutions.
What's wrong with my post Mike? Personally, I could care less about being
'politically correct' I have my opinions just as you have yours, you nor
anyone else will change what I think and say, (&) How dare you even try.
The point here is john's assumptions about everyone else, which zie
does not apply to you,
His 'assumptions' were applied to atheist. I'm not an unbeliever so why
should he apply anything to me with regards to religion?
and the fact that those people zie is currently
using this list to harass zie has no basis on which to do -- while
your distinct lack of morals you have amply demonstrated for anyone
who bothered to pay attention.
He's not harassing you by adding your name on a list.
But you both share a hate of third person, which is enough for you
both to make demonstrably erroneous assumptions about each other.
And neither of you is self aware enough to realize the problem with
that.
Yeah, take up for the guy who had sex with a 6-year old. A grown man who got
off having sex in front of his children.
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In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -
George Orwell, 1984
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| User: "Roger" |
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16 Apr 2005 05:42:56 PM |
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In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
in message <8189318.rMj2qhCEgq@(FreeBSD)>:
Roger wrote:
In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
in message <5568913.fPNIn7kWkq@(FreeBSD)>:
Mike Rosenberg wrote:
<johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote:
Tommy please explain I wish to help you if this is true. But perhaps
they are lying.
<<About girls and how he and his buddies have a contest going to see
who
can get laid the most...
John, you really need to read his posts. Everything Roger and I said
can be found in his posts to alt.parenting.solutions.
What's wrong with my post Mike? Personally, I could care less about being
'politically correct' I have my opinions just as you have yours, you nor
anyone else will change what I think and say, (&) How dare you even try.
The point here is john's assumptions about everyone else, which zie
does not apply to you,
His 'assumptions' were applied to atheist.
No, that were applied to those he ideologically needed to dismiss --
rather like you use things like "Jewish." We're still waiting for
you to tell us who "you people" are...
I'm not an unbeliever so why
should he apply anything to me with regards to religion?
Nor am I nor Bev nor Mike. That's that whole double standard thing I
was explaining to you.
and the fact that those people zie is currently
using this list to harass zie has no basis on which to do -- while
your distinct lack of morals you have amply demonstrated for anyone
who bothered to pay attention.
He's not harassing you by adding your name on a list.
Yes, he is. That and zir holier than thou "prayers."
But you both share a hate of third person, which is enough for you
both to make demonstrably erroneous assumptions about each other.
And neither of you is self aware enough to realize the problem with
that.
Yeah, take up for the guy who had sex with a 6-year old. A grown man who got
off having sex in front of his children.
Nope -- I have not done so, nor can you quote me as doing so.
This is just part of your obsessive need to distract from what is
*actually* being said.
Why are you still running from those dozen posts?
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| User: "Tommy" |
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16 Apr 2005 01:47:15 PM |
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Roger wrote:
In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
in message <8189318.rMj2qhCEgq@(FreeBSD)>:
Roger wrote:
In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
in message <5568913.fPNIn7kWkq@(FreeBSD)>:
Mike Rosenberg wrote:
<johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote:
Tommy please explain I wish to help you if this is true. But perhaps
they are lying.
<<About girls and how he and his buddies have a contest going to see
who
can get laid the most...
John, you really need to read his posts. Everything Roger and I said
can be found in his posts to alt.parenting.solutions.
What's wrong with my post Mike? Personally, I could care less about
being 'politically correct' I have my opinions just as you have yours,
you nor anyone else will change what I think and say, (&) How dare you
even try.
The point here is john's assumptions about everyone else, which zie
does not apply to you,
His 'assumptions' were applied to atheist.
No, that were applied to those he ideologically needed to dismiss --
rather like you use things like "Jewish." We're still waiting for
you to tell us who "you people" are...
Ya know, "You People"
I'm not an unbeliever so why
should he apply anything to me with regards to religion?
Nor am I nor Bev nor Mike. That's that whole double standard thing I
was explaining to you.
Mike came out and said he was Jewish, (Ok, we all know what Mike's faith/
Relgion is. You and Bev have not told us what you believe.
and the fact that those people zie is currently
using this list to harass zie has no basis on which to do -- while
your distinct lack of morals you have amply demonstrated for anyone
who bothered to pay attention.
He's not harassing you by adding your name on a list.
Yes, he is. That and zir holier than thou "prayers."
No he's not. Zir is holier than thou.
But you both share a hate of third person, which is enough for you
both to make demonstrably erroneous assumptions about each other.
And neither of you is self aware enough to realize the problem with
that.
Yeah, take up for the guy who had sex with a 6-year old. A grown man who
got off having sex in front of his children.
Nope -- I have not done so, nor can you quote me as doing so.
I never said that you did. But your buddy Steve has.
This is just part of your obsessive need to distract from what is
*actually* being said.
Why are you still running from those dozen posts?
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In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -
George Orwell, 1984
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| User: "Roger" |
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16 Apr 2005 06:03:22 PM |
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In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
in message <111368336.IClr46NqE4@(FreeBSD)>:
Roger wrote:
Tommy please explain I wish to help you if this is true. But perhaps
they are lying.
<<About girls and how he and his buddies have a contest going to see
who
can get laid the most...
John, you really need to read his posts. Everything Roger and I said
can be found in his posts to alt.parenting.solutions.
What's wrong with my post Mike? Personally, I could care less about
being 'politically correct' I have my opinions just as you have yours,
you nor anyone else will change what I think and say, (&) How dare you
even try.
The point here is john's assumptions about everyone else, which zie
does not apply to you,
His 'assumptions' were applied to atheist.
No, that were applied to those he ideologically needed to dismiss --
rather like you use things like "Jewish." We're still waiting for
you to tell us who "you people" are...
Ya know, "You People"
No, tell us: who are "you people?"
I'm not an unbeliever so why
should he apply anything to me with regards to religion?
Nor am I nor Bev nor Mike. That's that whole double standard thing I
was explaining to you.
Mike came out and said he was Jewish, (Ok, we all know what Mike's faith/
Relgion is. You and Bev have not told us what you believe.
Nor have you -- and *you're* among the ones trying to make it an
issue.
Tell us what *you* believe. Not where your mommie used to drag you
to...
and the fact that those people zie is currently
using this list to harass zie has no basis on which to do -- while
your distinct lack of morals you have amply demonstrated for anyone
who bothered to pay attention.
He's not harassing you by adding your name on a list.
Yes, he is. That and zir holier than thou "prayers."
No he's not. Zir is holier than thou.
You really don't *mind* looking like an idiot?
But you both share a hate of third person, which is enough for you
both to make demonstrably erroneous assumptions about each other.
And neither of you is self aware enough to realize the problem with
that.
Yeah, take up for the guy who had sex with a 6-year old. A grown man who
got off having sex in front of his children.
Nope -- I have not done so, nor can you quote me as doing so.
I never said that you did. But your buddy Steve has.
1. The why did you *just say, in direct response to *me* "Yeah, take
up for the guy who had sex with a 6-year old?"
2. Please explain why you are lying about steve being my "buddy?"
This is just part of your obsessive need to distract from what is
*actually* being said.
Why are you still running from those dozen posts?
Well? Do you really think it's not being noticed that you would
prefer almost anything to actually discussing those posts, let alone
the crap you're repeating from chrissy?
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| User: "Mike Rosenberg" |
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16 Apr 2005 03:49:47 PM |
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Tommy <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
John, you really need to read his posts. Everything Roger and I said
can be found in his posts to alt.parenting.solutions.
What's wrong with my post Mike? Personally, I could care less about being
'politically correct' I have my opinions just as you have yours, you nor
anyone else will change what I think and say, (&) How dare you even try.
I was just pointing out to John that you've said everything that Roger
and I said you have. It seems John is completely unaware of a lot of
those opinions of yours and may just disagree with, well, most all of
them.
--
Mike Rosenberg
<http://www.macconsult.com> Macintosh consulting services for NE Florida
<http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart
Toyota Prius fans: Check out alt.autos.toyota.prius
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| User: "Tommy" |
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16 Apr 2005 11:05:43 AM |
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wrote:
Tommy please explain I wish to help you if this is true. But perhaps
they are lying.
<<About girls and how he and his buddies have a contest going to see
who
can get laid the most...
Yes, that part is true, If the will is strong, the flesh is weak. Not sure
what can be done about that.
Of course, the irony is that Tommy also pretends that he knows enough
about John, when the only thing I can see that the two of them have in
common is their attitude towards Steve Walz. Oh, and of course the
trait of letting that one thing blind them to everything else. >>
We have more in comman than Steve Walz.
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In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -
George Orwell, 1984
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| User: "Roger" |
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16 Apr 2005 03:14:25 PM |
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In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
in message <8374010.aYSY4QjoyS@(FreeBSD)>:
johnw_94020@yahoo.com wrote:
Tommy please explain I wish to help you if this is true. But perhaps
they are lying.
<<About girls and how he and his buddies have a contest going to see
who can get laid the most...
Yes, that part is true, If the will is strong, the flesh is weak. Not sure
what can be done about that.
LOL -- one doesn't make a game out of being weak, unless one has no
intention of even attempting to resist.
Of course, the irony is that Tommy also pretends that he knows enough
about John, when the only thing I can see that the two of them have in
common is their attitude towards Steve Walz. Oh, and of course the
trait of letting that one thing blind them to everything else. >>
We have more in comman than Steve Walz.
Really? Do you think john hates blacks and Jews and women and denies
the Holocaust and the Moon landings and hides what zie does from zir
mommie, too?
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| User: "Roger" |
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16 Apr 2005 03:15:55 PM |
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In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Roger wrote
in message <aes261dvodlf1p0io1t0hogguc4kf0f2ml@4ax.com>:
In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
in message <8374010.aYSY4QjoyS@(FreeBSD)>:
johnw_94020@yahoo.com wrote:
Tommy please explain I wish to help you if this is true. But perhaps
they are lying.
<<About girls and how he and his buddies have a contest going to see
who can get laid the most...
Yes, that part is true, If the will is strong, the flesh is weak. Not sure
what can be done about that.
LOL -- one doesn't make a game out of being weak, unless one has no
intention of even attempting to resist.
Of course, the irony is that Tommy also pretends that he knows enough
about John, when the only thing I can see that the two of them have in
common is their attitude towards Steve Walz. Oh, and of course the
trait of letting that one thing blind them to everything else. >>
We have more in comman than Steve Walz.
Really? Do you think john hates blacks and Jews and women and denies
the Holocaust and the Moon landings and hides what zie does from zir
mommie, too?
Not to mention parroting crap and then running from the discussion
there of...
What's the lie you're going to use to pretend that your running is
*not* a direct expression of your cowardice and intellectual
bankruptcy?
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| User: "Tommy" |
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16 Apr 2005 11:30:03 AM |
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Roger wrote:
Not to mention parroting crap and then running from the discussion
there of...
Scott/ Chris is going wide open in alt.rev (now) and you're nowhere to be
found.. Oh, that's right , you can't refute them because you can't see
them. Yeah right!
His latest post......
Official Auschwitz figures!
Which figure must we believe by law?
Which figure is considered holocaust denial?
Which figure is not considered anti-Semitic?
Which figure is not considered hate?
Which figure must be compensated?
Date Official sources of information Figures:
31.12.1945 French Investigation Panel on Nazi-War-Crimes 8.000.000
19.08.1998 Chief Rabbi from Poland (Süddeutsche Zeitung) 6.000.000
20.04.1978 Le Monde (French daily paper) 5.000.000
23.01.1995 Die Welt (German daily paper) 5.000.000
20.04.1989 Eugen Kogon, Der SS-Staat (famous book of a holocaust
survivor, page 176) 4.500.000
31.12.1952 Der Neue Herder (Enzyclopedia, Germany) 7. edition (page
214) 4.500.000
01.10.1946 IMT-Document 008-USSR (Nuremberg Military Tribunal)
4.000.000
02.05.1997 USA-Today (daily paper USA) 4.000.000
24.11.1989 Head prosecutor Majorowsky, Wuppertal, Germany (indictment
12 Js 1037/89) 4.000.000
26.07.1990 Allgem. Jüdische Wo.Ztg. (Jewish weekly, Bonn) 4.000.000
08.10.1993 ZDF-Nachrichten (German TV) 4.000.000
25.01.1995 Wetzlarer Neue Zeitung (German daily paper) 4.000.000
01.10.1946 IMT-Document 3868-PS (Nuremberg Military Tribunal)
3.000.000
01.01.1995 Damals (official monthly magazine on history, sponsored by
the Bonn government) 3.000.000
18.07.1990 The Peninsula Times (daily paper, S.Francisco, USA)
2.000.000
25.07.1990 Hamburger Abendblatt (daily paper Germany) 2.000.000
27.01.1995 Die Welt (German daily paper, quoting Chancellor Helmut
Kohl. Minimum of 2 million) 2.000.000
02.05.1997 USA-Today (daily paper USA) 1.500.000
11.06.1992 Allgem. Jüdische Wo.Ztg (Jewish weekly, Bonn) 1.500.000
08.10.1993 ZDF (German TV) 1.500.000
23.01.1995 Die Welt (German daily paper) 1.500.000
01.09.1989 Le Monde (French daily paper) 1.433.000
02.02.1995 BUNTE Illustrierte (German weekly magazine) 1.400.000
22.01.1995 Welt am Sonntag (German daily, sunday edition) 1.200.000
27.01.1995 Die Welt (German daily paper) 1.100.000
27.01.1995 IfZ (Institut for Contemporary History, München, sponsored
by the Bonn government) 1.000.000
31.12.1989 Pressac, Auschwitz, Technique ... (official report on
Auschwitz, commissioned by the Jewish Beate Klarsfeld Foundation)
928.000
27.09.1993 Die Welt (German daily paper) 800.000
22.01.1995 Welt am Sonntag (German daily, sunday edition) 750.000
01.05.1994 Focus (German weekly magazine) 700.000
23.01.1995 Die Welt (German daily paper) 700.000
31.12.1994 Pressac, Die Krematorien ... (2nd official report on
Auschwitz, commissioned by the Jewish Beate Klarsfeld Foundation)
470.000
08.01.1948 Welt im Film (British news reel, nbr. 137) 300.000
06.01.1990 Frankfurter Rundschau (German daily paper) 74.000
31.05.1994 Hoffmann, Stalins Vernichtungskrieg (Book, written by a
renowned German historian, p.302 f.) 74.000
17.08.1994 Intern. Red Cross Arolsen - Department of holocaust
investigations (Ref. nbr.: 10824) 66.206
2004 Meyer, Ost-Europa journal, 300,000 Jews
Different figures, allocated to one media, for one particular day
means, that, i.e. Die Welt and USA-Today, had published on one issue
in various articles different death figures.
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| User: "Roger" |
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16 Apr 2005 03:51:33 PM |
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In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
in message <1199354.jJYO7OQANi@(FreeBSD)>:
Roger wrote:
Not to mention parroting crap and then running from the discussion
there of...
Scott/ Chris is going wide open in alt.rev (now) and you're nowhere to be
found.. Oh, that's right , you can't refute them because you can't see
them. Yeah right!
Which changes what about the fact that you are running like mad to
avoid the crap you post?
His latest post......
Official Auschwitz figures!
Which figure must we believe by law?
None.
Which figure is considered holocaust denial?
Your "none."
Which figure is not considered anti-Semitic?
Those supported by the *facts*, and not by an ideological need that it
be so.
Which figure is not considered hate?
Those supported by the *facts*, and not by an ideological need that it
be so.
Which figure must be compensated?
Care to try again in English?
Date Official sources of information Figures:
Is there a point you want to make?
A random sampling of cross checking the figures follows:
31.12.1945 French Investigation Panel on Nazi-War-Crimes 8.000.000
This figure was figured how and published where?
19.08.1998 Chief Rabbi from Poland (Süddeutsche Zeitung) 6.000.000
6 million in the current best estimate.
01.10.1946 IMT-Document 3868-PS (Nuremberg Military Tribunal)
3.000.000
Which refers to Auschwitz only...
01.01.1995 Damals (official monthly magazine on history, sponsored by
the Bonn government)
Lie.
3.000.000
18.07.1990 The Peninsula Times (daily paper, S.Francisco, USA)
2.000.000
Funny that you never talk about where the numbers came from nor
specifically what they are referring to...
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Okay -- now, let's talk about the lies in the above -- why do you
think that such actually *advance* you case, and what point *are* you
trying to make, other than "don't pay attention to the crap I'm
running away from -- look at this *new* distraction?"
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16 Apr 2005 12:46:49 PM |
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Roger wrote:
In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
in message <1199354.jJYO7OQANi@(FreeBSD)>:
Roger wrote:
Sense you can't see his post, or so you claim, here is another.
The following information comes from Gdansk: National Identity in the
Polish-German Borderlands, by Carl Tighe (Concord, MA: Pluto Press,
1990), pp. 173-177:
"From the filth and degradation of Stutthof, the brutality of the
Germanisation process and the squabbles and empire-building of the
Nazi officials, one man stands out as uniquely disgusting. The work of
Professor Spanner at the Danzig Medical Academy's Anatomical Institute
was very much a part and product of the Nazi world. His work had been
the cause of unpleasant rumours throughout the war, but it was only in
1945, as the protective screen of German military power crumbled and
the security forces evaporated, that the truth about his work was
revealed.
The Institute of Anatomy stands as an annex in the courtyard of the
Baroque main building of the Medical Academy. It is a modest,
unplastered brick building of no architectural merit. Behind this
unassuming facade, Professor Spanner ran a special research unit to
turn human bodies into soap.
Spanner, accompanied by a half-witted Danzig Pole, travelled to
Koenigsberg, Elbing, all the Pomeranian jails, Stutthof and its
subcamps, and to the Danzig mental asylum to purchase corpses and
transport them back to his workshop. When Danzig prison installed a
guillotine, Spanner had bought and paid for the first body before the
blade had fallen. The half- witted Pole was later to reveal that on
one occasion over 100 bodies had been delivered from the prison and
that it was only as a result of this technical innovation that Spanner
was able to procure a steady supply of bodies for his work.
Spanner was very fussy and took special care that every corpse,
headless or otherwise, was delivered before it began to 'spoil.' He
refused to accept the bodies of those who had been shot by the Gestapo
or SS, or those executed by firing squad because, he said, these
bodies spoiled too quickly. Spanner's vats, located in the basement of
the Institute, could only take a very small amount of human material
at a time. Each body had to be shaved, dismembered, skinned, cut in
half. Spanner had installed a special machine to separate flesh and
sinew from bone. The treated remains were boiled down according to a
special recipe his assistant had given him 'from the countryside.' The
recipe, framed in wood and dated 15 February 1944, was found hanging
on the basement wall when the Russians and Poles took the city in
1945: 5 kilos of human flesh, 226 grams of caustic soda per pound, 11
litres of water; the mixture to boil for 2-3 hours before cooling.
Spanner had great difficulty in getting his soap to set properly or to
lather sufficiently and a great deal of his budget went on perfumes
and scents to make the soap smell acceptable.
Spanner's work was of interest to a wide range of high-ranking Nazi
officials, and his staff allocation refelcted this. As well as his
Polish assistant, Spanner had a senior female assistant, two German
manual workers, a deputy -- SS-Professor Wohlman -- a senior male
assistant called von Bergen, and the compulsory helf of a number of
anatomy students whenever it was necessary to separate large amounts
of fat and tissue from bone, or to fire up the incinerators.
One 5 May 1945, with Berlin about to fall, the International Committee
for the Investigation of Nazi War Crimes found the remains of over 350
bodies in various stages of preparation in the Institute basement. The
Polish novelist Zofia Nalkowska (1884-1954) was one of the members of
the Committee and she has left a memorable description of the sight
that greeted them:
In the oblique light which fell from the distant, high-placed windows
the dead lay the same as yesterday. Their creamy-white, naked young
bodies, resembling hard sculptures, were in perfect condition,
although they had been waiting many months for the time they would no
longer be needed.
Like in stone sarcophagi they lay lengthwise, one body on top of
another, in long concrete tubs with open lids. Their hands were not
folded across their chests according to funeral ritual but lay
alongside their bodies. And the heads were cut off from the torsos as
neatly as though they were stone.
In one of the sarcophagi, on top of the dead lay the headless 'sailor'
already familiar to us -- a splendid youth, huge as a gladiator. The
contours of a ship were tattooed on his broad chest. Across the
outlines of two smokestacks appeared the inscription to a vain faith:
God with us.
We passed one corpse-filled tub after another ... Fourteen corpses
would have sufficed for the needs of the Anatomical Institute. Here
there were 350 of them.
Two vats contained only the hairless heads severed from those bodies.
They lay one on top of another -- human faces like potatoes heaped up
haphazardly in a pit: some sideways as if pressed into a pillow,
others turned face down or up. They were smooth and yellowish, also
excellently preserved and also chopped off at the nape as though they
were stone....
With the two professors we later passed to the little red house and
saw there on the now cold fireplace a huge vat full of dark liquid.
Someone familiar with the premises lifted the cover with a poker and
drew to the surface a dripping human torso, cooked to the bone....
The Committee interviewed the two senior professors of the Medical
Academy who claimed they knew nothing at all about Spanner's work,
that neither of them had even been inside the Institute and that the
only people who knew what Spanner was doing were his own staff. As far
as they were concerned, Spanner was known as a hard worker, a good
German and a loyal Party member. The Committee were not convinced. Out
in the courtyard stood the charred remains of no less than three of
Spanner's incinerators -- all of which had caught fire as a result of
of overloading. On each occasion the fire brigade had been called out.
It was difficult to believe that the Academy's two senior professors
had not investigated the cause of the blaze in each case. Likewise it
was difficult to believe that the professors, who had authorised the
expenditure of scarce funds for the purchase of the incinerators, had
done so without asking questions. Also it was impossible to believe
that they had not been aware of the stench of burning flesh whenever
Spanner used the incinerators. Certainly it was known that the Dean of
the Academy had received complaints about the stench from nearby
residents and had asked Spanner to burn flesh only very late at night.
From Spanner's half-witted-Pole the Committee learned that the Reich
Minister for Health, the Reich Minister for Education, Gauleiter
Forster, the Dean of the Faculty of Medicine and a string of visiting
pro- fessors from every corner of the Reich had all visited Spanner's
section of the Institute. The Committee found it difficult to believe
that the professors who ran the Institute had not been informed of the
purpose of these visits and that they had not taken part in the formal
reception of distinguished guests.
When asked whether he might not have guessed what Spanner was doing in
the basement, one of the professors said: 'Well, yes, I might have
supposed that -- because Germany was suffering from a great shortage
of fats. And consideration for the economic situation of the country,
for the good of the country, might have induced him to do so...' The
other professor replied: 'Yes, I could have supposed that, had I known
that he had received such orders, for it was well knwon that he was a
disciplined member of the party.' [note 25]
In their answers the professors did not show any indignation at what
had been done in their name at their institute of learning; there was
no hint of moral condemnation. The curious blend of economic and loyal
Party-member reasoning, the underlying belief that if this was for
Germany, then it was allowable are testimony to the effect that the
Nazi system had worked on ordinary German lives, on the extent to
which it had sanctioned and legitimised these ambitions and behaviour.
They years of isolation from the values of the outside world had
produced a fundamental change in the moral standards of the German
people -- even in those of the highly educated and privileged
professors of the Danzig Medical Academy. The damage affected the very
language these people used to explain what they had been doing, and
thereafter it affected the way they thought about themselves. The
Nazis covered over their brutal reducation of human variety with banal
cliches of administrative jargon; they removed the burden of
responsibility from each individual concerned. In doing so they made
the unthinkable a daily event, and made normal moral revulsion and
protest a question of disloyalty and race betrayal.
If what happened in Danzig was anything like a microcosm of what
happened in Germany, then what happened in Spanner's workshops was a
microcosm of the indignity -- even in death -- of Germanisation and
the camps. Spanner's Institute was an image of the Nazi vision of the
world -- run on state subsidy, using SS staff, compliant academics and
the co-operation of ordinary students. By the most economic means
possible, it turned Untermenschen and enemies of the Reich into a
commodity that was useful to the German people.
Professor Spanner left Danzig to give a lecture in Halle an der Saale
in January 1945. His last message to his team was that they should
adhere strictly to his recipe and not allow the incinerator to
overheat. He was never seen again.
Note 25: Ibid., p. 136."
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[A note from Nizkor, which publish this information on the Internet
with a straight face:]
"The source for Carl Tighe's information is unclear. Note 24 lists
three sources; however, John Drobnicki checked all three, and they do
not have any information on Professor Spanner on page 136, or on any
other pages: H. S. Levine, _Hitler's Free City_, Chicago, 1973; H. S.
Levine, 'Local Authority and the SS State: The Conflict Over
Population Policy in Danzig- West Prussia 1939-45,' _Central European
History, vol. II, 1969; D. Orlow, _The History of the Nazi Party,
1919-1933_, Pittsburgh, 1969."
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In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -
George Orwell, 1984
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16 Apr 2005 11:17:49 AM |
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Roger wrote:
In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
in message <8374010.aYSY4QjoyS@(FreeBSD)>:
johnw_94020@yahoo.com wrote:
Tommy please explain I wish to help you if this is true. But perhaps
they are lying.
<<About girls and how he and his buddies have a contest going to see
who can get laid the most...
Yes, that part is true, If the will is strong, the flesh is weak. Not sure
what can be done about that.
LOL -- one doesn't make a game out of being weak, unless one has no
intention of even attempting to resist.
You lie..... If you had a chance at say Pam Anderson you wouldn't think
twice. If you say no, you're either a liar of gay.
Of course, the irony is that Tommy also pretends that he knows enough
about John, when the only thing I can see that the two of them have in
common is their attitude towards Steve Walz. Oh, and of course the
trait of letting that one thing blind them to everything else. >>
We have more in comman than Steve Walz.
Really? Do you think john hates blacks and Jews and women and denies
the Holocaust and the Moon landings and hides what zie does from zir
mommie, too?
I have no idea what John thinks about Jews, Blacks, feminism, moon landings
and the holocuast. To each his own.
--
In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -
George Orwell, 1984
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| User: "Roger" |
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16 Apr 2005 03:36:32 PM |
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In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
in message <1339115.XkCgOirHIo@(FreeBSD)>:
Roger wrote:
In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
in message <8374010.aYSY4QjoyS@(FreeBSD)>:
johnw_94020@yahoo.com wrote:
Tommy please explain I wish to help you if this is true. But perhaps
they are lying.
<<About girls and how he and his buddies have a contest going to see
who can get laid the most...
Yes, that part is true, If the will is strong, the flesh is weak. Not sure
what can be done about that.
LOL -- one doesn't make a game out of being weak, unless one has no
intention of even attempting to resist.
You lie
Why do you keep making this accusation when you *know* you cannot back
it up?
..... If you had a chance at say Pam Anderson you wouldn't think
twice. If you say no, you're either a liar of gay.
Depends on one's definition of "a chance."
But in any case, we're discussing your lies here, not things you try
to pretend you know about me.
Of course, the irony is that Tommy also pretends that he knows enough
about John, when the only thing I can see that the two of them have in
common is their attitude towards Steve Walz. Oh, and of course the
trait of letting that one thing blind them to everything else. >>
We have more in comman than Steve Walz.
Really? Do you think john hates blacks and Jews and women and denies
the Holocaust and the Moon landings and hides what zie does from zir
mommie, too?
I have no idea what John thinks about Jews, Blacks, feminism, moon landings
and the holocuast. To each his own.
One notes that the idiot child does not deny zir hatred and ignorance.
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| User: "Mike Rosenberg" |
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16 Apr 2005 03:49:47 PM |
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Tommy <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
We have more in comman than Steve Walz.
Really? Do you think john hates blacks and Jews and women and denies
the Holocaust and the Moon landings and hides what zie does from zir
mommie, too?
I have no idea what John thinks about Jews, Blacks, feminism, moon landings
and the holocuast. To each his own.
Well, you said you have more in common with John than with Steve, and
yet you probably can't think of anything you have in common with John
except your attitude towards Steve. Come on, Tommy, what do you have in
common with John?
--
Mike Rosenberg
<http://www.macconsult.com> Macintosh consulting services for NE Florida
<http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart
Toyota Prius fans: Check out alt.autos.toyota.prius
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| User: "Tommy" |
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16 Apr 2005 12:43:50 PM |
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Mike Rosenberg wrote:
Tommy <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
We have more in comman than Steve Walz.
Really? Do you think john hates blacks and Jews and women and denies
the Holocaust and the Moon landings and hides what zie does from zir
mommie, too?
I have no idea what John thinks about Jews, Blacks, feminism, moon
landings and the holocuast. To each his own.
Well, you said you have more in common with John than with Steve, and
yet you probably can't think of anything you have in common with John
except your attitude towards Steve. Come on, Tommy, what do you have in
common with John?
Were both Christian, He wants to learn about advanced UNIX-Networking and so
do I, he's just better at it than I am. I'm learning.
We both think its wrong that Steve had sex with a 6-year old. Btw, Steve
shouldn't go around cursing people out for no reason.
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In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -
George Orwell, 1984
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| User: "Mike Rosenberg" |
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17 Apr 2005 09:46:48 AM |
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Tommy <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
Come on, Tommy, what do you have in common with John?
Were both Christian
Gee, and what per cent of the US population does that also apply to?
He wants to learn about advanced UNIX-Networking and
so do I, he's just better at it than I am. I'm learning.
Tommy, seriously, where did you get the notion that he knows anything
whatsoever about UNIX? He doesn't. I'm not saying that as any form of
criticism, just a statement of fact.
We both think its wrong that Steve had sex with a 6-year old.
Right, and I already said you have your attitude toward Steve in common.
My point is that if you both were actually to read each other's posts
and know what each other's views are on a wide variety of topics, you
wouldn't feel you have much in common at all.
Now, it's well known that John and I are worlds apart on religion and
politics, but I have a hunch that if he were to read what you've written
about the Holocaust, Jews, blacks, women, lunar landings, etc., he'd
find that he and I actually have far more in common in those areas than
you and he do.
--
Mike Rosenberg
<http://www.macconsult.com> Macintosh consulting services for NE Florida
<http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart
Toyota Prius fans: Check out alt.autos.toyota.prius
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| User: "RAS" |
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16 Apr 2005 04:49:51 PM |
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Tommy wrote:
Roger wrote:
In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
in message <8374010.aYSY4QjoyS@(FreeBSD)>:
johnw_94020@yahoo.com wrote:
Tommy please explain I wish to help you if this is true. But perhaps
they are lying.
<<About girls and how he and his buddies have a contest going to see
who can get laid the most...
Yes, that part is true, If the will is strong, the flesh is weak. Not sure
what can be done about that.
LOL -- one doesn't make a game out of being weak, unless one has no
intention of even attempting to resist.
You lie..... If you had a chance at say Pam Anderson you wouldn't think
twice. If you say no, you're either a liar of gay.
Surely, you jest. Are you using other's supposed weakness to justify
your own?
Of course, the irony is that Tommy also pretends that he knows enough
about John, when the only thing I can see that the two of them have in
common is their attitude towards Steve Walz. Oh, and of course the
trait of letting that one thing blind them to everything else. >>
We have more in comman than Steve Walz.
Really? Do you think john hates blacks and Jews and women and denies
the Holocaust and the Moon landings and hides what zie does from zir
mommie, too?
I have no idea what John thinks about Jews, Blacks, feminism, moon landings
and the holocuast. To each his own.
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16 Apr 2005 12:50:23 PM |
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RAS wrote:
Tommy wrote:
Roger wrote:
In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
in message <8374010.aYSY4QjoyS@(FreeBSD)>:
johnw_94020@yahoo.com wrote:
Tommy please explain I wish to help you if this is true. But perhaps
they are lying.
<<About girls and how he and his buddies have a contest going to see
who can get laid the most...
Yes, that part is true, If the will is strong, the flesh is weak. Not
sure what can be done about that.
LOL -- one doesn't make a game out of being weak, unless one has no
intention of even attempting to resist.
You lie..... If you had a chance at say Pam Anderson you wouldn't think
twice. If you say no, you're either a liar of gay.
Surely, you jest. Are you using other's supposed weakness to justify
your own?
Yes, she would make anyone weak. She is too hot! If you would do her - and
you know that you would, than you can't blame others for doing girls that
look like her.
--
In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -
George Orwell, 1984
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| User: "RAS" |
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16 Apr 2005 05:39:51 PM |
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Tommy wrote:
RAS wrote:
Tommy wrote:
Roger wrote:
In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
in message <8374010.aYSY4QjoyS@(FreeBSD)>:
johnw_94020@yahoo.com wrote:
Tommy please explain I wish to help you if this is true. But perhaps
they are lying.
<<About girls and how he and his buddies have a contest going to see
who can get laid the most...
Yes, that part is true, If the will is strong, the flesh is weak. Not
sure what can be done about that.
LOL -- one doesn't make a game out of being weak, unless one has no
intention of even attempting to resist.
You lie..... If you had a chance at say Pam Anderson you wouldn't think
twice. If you say no, you're either a liar of gay.
Surely, you jest. Are you using other's supposed weakness to justify
your own?
Yes, she would make anyone weak. She is too hot! If you would do her - and
you know that you would, than you can't blame others for doing girls that
look like her.
Actually, no, I wouldn't, and I'm not gay. I'm born again, washed by the
blood of the Lamb, and I know that there is no temptation that God does
not provide an escape for. You need to read your Bible, and focus on His
word, not your sinful urges.
RAS
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| User: "Tommy" |
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16 Apr 2005 01:51:54 PM |
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RAS wrote:
Yes, she would make anyone weak. She is too hot! If you would do her -
and you know that you would, than you can't blame others for doing girls
that look like her.
Actually, no, I wouldn't, and I'm not gay. I'm born again, washed by the
blood of the Lamb, and I know that there is no temptation that God does
not provide an escape for. You need to read your Bible, and focus on His
word, not your sinful urges.
So I guess you think God put such a beautiful creature upon this earth for
the mere temptation of man?
--
In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -
George Orwell, 1984
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| User: "Roger" |
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16 Apr 2005 06:04:29 PM |
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In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
in message <8129671.CQK2EBqazF@(FreeBSD)>:
RAS wrote:
Yes, she would make anyone weak. She is too hot! If you would do her -
and you know that you would, than you can't blame others for doing girls
that look like her.
Actually, no, I wouldn't, and I'm not gay. I'm born again, washed by the
blood of the Lamb, and I know that there is no temptation that God does
not provide an escape for. You need to read your Bible, and focus on His
word, not your sinful urges.
So I guess you think God put such a beautiful creature upon this earth for
the mere temptation of man?
Keep digging it deeper, idiot child.
I could use the laughs.
Why don't you tell us again about the belly of the *****?
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| User: "Tommy" |
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16 Apr 2005 02:40:54 PM |
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Roger wrote:
In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
in message <8129671.CQK2EBqazF@(FreeBSD)>:
RAS wrote:
Yes, she would make anyone weak. She is too hot! If you would do her -
and you know that you would, than you can't blame others for doing
girls that look like her.
Actually, no, I wouldn't, and I'm not gay. I'm born again, washed by the
blood of the Lamb, and I know that there is no temptation that God does
not provide an escape for. You need to read your Bible, and focus on His
word, not your sinful urges.
So I guess you think God put such a beautiful creature upon this earth for
the mere temptation of man?
Keep digging it deeper, idiot child.
Admit you would tag her.... Or, lets put it this way: Roger would you make
love to Pam Anderson?
I'm love as I type and I would do her.
--
In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -
George Orwell, 1984
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| User: "Roger" |
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16 Apr 2005 10:51:54 PM |
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In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
in message <2400848.gBhtoV1sfc@(FreeBSD)>:
Roger wrote:
Yes, she would make anyone weak. She is too hot! If you would do her -
and you know that you would, than you can't blame others for doing
girls that look like her.
Actually, no, I wouldn't, and I'm not gay. I'm born again, washed by the
blood of the Lamb, and I know that there is no temptation that God does
not provide an escape for. You need to read your Bible, and focus on His
word, not your sinful urges.
So I guess you think God put such a beautiful creature upon this earth for
the mere temptation of man?
Keep digging it deeper, idiot child.
Admit you would tag her.... Or, lets put it this way: Roger would you make
love to Pam Anderson?
No, she's not my type -- I prefer the little hard body gymnast/dancer
type, and strongly dislike bleach blondes and implants.
Now that I've answered your questions's what say you stop running from
those reposts?
I'm love as I type and I would do her.
Yeah. You have a shot at Pam.
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| User: "RAS" |
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16 Apr 2005 06:17:18 PM |
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Tommy wrote:
RAS wrote:
Yes, she would make anyone weak. She is too hot! If you would do her -
and you know that you would, than you can't blame others for doing girls
that look like her.
Actually, no, I wouldn't, and I'm not gay. I'm born again, washed by the
blood of the Lamb, and I know that there is no temptation that God does
not provide an escape for. You need to read your Bible, and focus on His
word, not your sinful urges.
So I guess you think God put such a beautiful creature upon this earth for
the mere temptation of man?
Are you serious? No, every person was put on this earth to fulfill GOD'S
PLAN, not your childish fantasies. Read your Bible, and try to put the
Playboy mags down.
RAS
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| User: "Roger" |
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16 Apr 2005 02:21:46 PM |
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In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be wrote
in message
<1113678691.530468.131140@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>:
<<About girls and how he and his buddies have a contest going to see
who can get laid the most...
Of course, the irony is that Tommy also pretends that he knows enough
about John, when the only thing I can see that the two of them have in
common is their attitude towards Steve Walz. Oh, and of course the
trait of letting that one thing blind them to everything else. >>
Tommy please explain I wish to help you if this is true. But perhaps
they are lying.
Ask him about his Bible telling him it's okay to f*ck whores...
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.parenting.solutions/msg/d2443276959b2bdb
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.parenting.solutions/msg/005d8746a6145b96
Does this sound like a "believer" to you?
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16 Apr 2005 02:29:51 PM |
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Give Tommie a chance Roger. We all sin as I do. Tommy just struggles
in this area, but he is forgiven by the Lord. Dont condem him, have
grace towards him.
John
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