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02 Nov 2006 01:53:30 PM |
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Top evangelical denies gay affair |
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4588998
Top evangelical denies gay affair
Ted Haggard of Colorado Springs accused of three-year relationship
By Paula Woodward, 9News Investigative Reporter
and Manny Gonzales, Denver Post Staff Writer
The leader of one of Colorado's most popular mega-churches, Ted
Haggard, said his church would investigate allegations from a male
prostitute that Haggard solicited gay sex, 9News reported Wednesday.
Haggard, the founder and senior leader of the 14,000-member New Life
Church in Colorado Springs and president of the multimillion- member
National Association of Evangelicals, denied the accusations raised by
the prostitute to KUSA- Channel 9. But the pastor said he is prepared
for his own church to investigate the claims.
Male escort Mike Jones of Denver started talking to 9 Wants to Know two
months ago, making claims that he has had a three-year sexual business
relationship with Haggard, the station reported.
Jones went public about their alleged relationship Wednesday morning on
talk radio.
"People may look at me and think what I've done is immoral, but I think
I had to do the moral thing in my mind and that is expose someone who
is preaching one thing and doing the opposite behind everybody's back,"
Jones told 9News.
The station spoke to Haggard outside his home in Colorado Springs, and
he fervently denied the allegations. Haggard is married and has five
children.
"I've never had a gay relationship with anybody. ... I am steady with
my wife. I'm faithful to my wife. I don't know if this is election-year
politics or if this has to do with the marriage amendment or what it
is," Haggard said.
The Denver Post could not reach Haggard for comment.
Haggard has been one of the major proponents for a state constitutional
ban on gay marriage.
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02 Nov 2006 04:09:12 PM |
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"Williams" <c-williams3@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1162497210.304938.314910@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4588998
Top evangelical denies gay affair
Ted Haggard of Colorado Springs accused of three-year relationship
By Paula Woodward, 9News Investigative Reporter
and Manny Gonzales, Denver Post Staff Writer
The leader of one of Colorado's most popular mega-churches, Ted
Haggard, said his church would investigate allegations from a male
prostitute that Haggard solicited gay sex, 9News reported Wednesday.
Haggard, the founder and senior leader of the 14,000-member New Life
Church in Colorado Springs and president of the multimillion- member
National Association of Evangelicals, denied the accusations raised by
the prostitute to KUSA- Channel 9. But the pastor said he is prepared
for his own church to investigate the claims.
Male escort Mike Jones of Denver started talking to 9 Wants to Know two
months ago, making claims that he has had a three-year sexual business
relationship with Haggard, the station reported.
Jones went public about their alleged relationship Wednesday morning on
talk radio.
"People may look at me and think what I've done is immoral, but I think
I had to do the moral thing in my mind and that is expose someone who
is preaching one thing and doing the opposite behind everybody's back,"
Jones told 9News.
The station spoke to Haggard outside his home in Colorado Springs, and
he fervently denied the allegations. Haggard is married and has five
children.
"I've never had a gay relationship with anybody. ... I am steady with
my wife. I'm faithful to my wife. I don't know if this is election-year
politics or if this has to do with the marriage amendment or what it
is," Haggard said.
The Denver Post could not reach Haggard for comment.
Haggard has been one of the major proponents for a state constitutional
ban on gay marriage.
Why do you gay Dem-asses hate other gay people now? Actually you hate people
who disagree with you, and you pretend they are gay so you have something
extra to fuel your rage. Why?
Have a nice day,
Ken
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02 Nov 2006 04:30:56 PM |
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"Ken" <Leftists@Useful_Idiot_Savants.com> wrote in message
news:a3783$454a6c95$450111a3$6976@KNOLOGY.NET...
"Williams" <c-williams3@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1162497210.304938.314910@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4588998
Top evangelical denies gay affair
Ted Haggard of Colorado Springs accused of three-year relationship
By Paula Woodward, 9News Investigative Reporter
and Manny Gonzales, Denver Post Staff Writer
The leader of one of Colorado's most popular mega-churches, Ted
Haggard, said his church would investigate allegations from a male
prostitute that Haggard solicited gay sex, 9News reported Wednesday.
Haggard, the founder and senior leader of the 14,000-member New Life
Church in Colorado Springs and president of the multimillion- member
National Association of Evangelicals, denied the accusations raised by
the prostitute to KUSA- Channel 9. But the pastor said he is prepared
for his own church to investigate the claims.
Male escort Mike Jones of Denver started talking to 9 Wants to Know two
months ago, making claims that he has had a three-year sexual business
relationship with Haggard, the station reported.
Jones went public about their alleged relationship Wednesday morning on
talk radio.
"People may look at me and think what I've done is immoral, but I think
I had to do the moral thing in my mind and that is expose someone who
is preaching one thing and doing the opposite behind everybody's back,"
Jones told 9News.
The station spoke to Haggard outside his home in Colorado Springs, and
he fervently denied the allegations. Haggard is married and has five
children.
"I've never had a gay relationship with anybody. ... I am steady with
my wife. I'm faithful to my wife. I don't know if this is election-year
politics or if this has to do with the marriage amendment or what it
is," Haggard said.
The Denver Post could not reach Haggard for comment.
Haggard has been one of the major proponents for a state constitutional
ban on gay marriage.
Why do you gay Dem-asses hate other gay people now? Actually you hate
people who disagree with you, and you pretend they are gay so you have
something extra to fuel your rage. Why?
Have a nice day,
Ken
Dems don't hate gay people, just enjoy exposing hypocrisy
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02 Nov 2006 04:38:38 PM |
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On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 16:30:56 -0600, "Rick" <not@home.com> wrote:
"Ken" <Leftists@Useful_Idiot_Savants.com> wrote in message
news:a3783$454a6c95$450111a3$6976@KNOLOGY.NET...
"Williams" <c-williams3@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1162497210.304938.314910@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4588998
Top evangelical denies gay affair
Ted Haggard of Colorado Springs accused of three-year relationship
By Paula Woodward, 9News Investigative Reporter
and Manny Gonzales, Denver Post Staff Writer
The leader of one of Colorado's most popular mega-churches, Ted
Haggard, said his church would investigate allegations from a male
prostitute that Haggard solicited gay sex, 9News reported Wednesday.
Haggard, the founder and senior leader of the 14,000-member New Life
Church in Colorado Springs and president of the multimillion- member
National Association of Evangelicals, denied the accusations raised by
the prostitute to KUSA- Channel 9. But the pastor said he is prepared
for his own church to investigate the claims.
Male escort Mike Jones of Denver started talking to 9 Wants to Know two
months ago, making claims that he has had a three-year sexual business
relationship with Haggard, the station reported.
Jones went public about their alleged relationship Wednesday morning on
talk radio.
"People may look at me and think what I've done is immoral, but I think
I had to do the moral thing in my mind and that is expose someone who
is preaching one thing and doing the opposite behind everybody's back,"
Jones told 9News.
The station spoke to Haggard outside his home in Colorado Springs, and
he fervently denied the allegations. Haggard is married and has five
children.
"I've never had a gay relationship with anybody. ... I am steady with
my wife. I'm faithful to my wife. I don't know if this is election-year
politics or if this has to do with the marriage amendment or what it
is," Haggard said.
The Denver Post could not reach Haggard for comment.
Haggard has been one of the major proponents for a state constitutional
ban on gay marriage.
Why do you gay Dem-asses hate other gay people now? Actually you hate
people who disagree with you, and you pretend they are gay so you have
something extra to fuel your rage. Why?
Have a nice day,
Ken
Dems don't hate gay people, just enjoy exposing hypocrisy
Like Ken Mehlman, the RNC chair, a 50 year old never married guy with
a male roommate. He's all for family values.
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| User: "Ken" |
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02 Nov 2006 06:56:19 PM |
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<Limbaugh Fart Detector> wrote in message
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On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 16:30:56 -0600, "Rick" <not@home.com> wrote:
"Ken" <Leftists@Useful_Idiot_Savants.com> wrote in message
news:a3783$454a6c95$450111a3$6976@KNOLOGY.NET...
"Williams" <c-williams3@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1162497210.304938.314910@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4588998
Top evangelical denies gay affair
Ted Haggard of Colorado Springs accused of three-year relationship
By Paula Woodward, 9News Investigative Reporter
and Manny Gonzales, Denver Post Staff Writer
The leader of one of Colorado's most popular mega-churches, Ted
Haggard, said his church would investigate allegations from a male
prostitute that Haggard solicited gay sex, 9News reported Wednesday.
Haggard, the founder and senior leader of the 14,000-member New Life
Church in Colorado Springs and president of the multimillion- member
National Association of Evangelicals, denied the accusations raised by
the prostitute to KUSA- Channel 9. But the pastor said he is prepared
for his own church to investigate the claims.
Male escort Mike Jones of Denver started talking to 9 Wants to Know two
months ago, making claims that he has had a three-year sexual business
relationship with Haggard, the station reported.
Jones went public about their alleged relationship Wednesday morning on
talk radio.
"People may look at me and think what I've done is immoral, but I think
I had to do the moral thing in my mind and that is expose someone who
is preaching one thing and doing the opposite behind everybody's back,"
Jones told 9News.
The station spoke to Haggard outside his home in Colorado Springs, and
he fervently denied the allegations. Haggard is married and has five
children.
"I've never had a gay relationship with anybody. ... I am steady with
my wife. I'm faithful to my wife. I don't know if this is election-year
politics or if this has to do with the marriage amendment or what it
is," Haggard said.
The Denver Post could not reach Haggard for comment.
Haggard has been one of the major proponents for a state constitutional
ban on gay marriage.
Why do you gay Dem-asses hate other gay people now? Actually you hate
people who disagree with you, and you pretend they are gay so you have
something extra to fuel your rage. Why?
Have a nice day,
Ken
Dems don't hate gay people, just enjoy exposing hypocrisy
What hypocrisy? Is that like the hypocrisy you have when you hate gays while
pretending to stand for their rights? Go burn a cross, Adolf.
Like Ken Mehlman, the RNC chair, a 50 year old never married guy with
a male roommate. He's all for family values.
Who says he's not?
Damn, you left-wing homophobic bigots are some dumb motherfuckers.
Have a nice day,
Ken
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| User: "Geoff" |
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02 Nov 2006 08:27:58 PM |
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"Ken" <Leftists@Useful_Idiot_Savants.com> wrote in message
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Dems don't hate gay people, just enjoy exposing hypocrisy
What hypocrisy? Is that like the hypocrisy you have when you hate gays
while pretending to stand for their rights? Go burn a cross, Adolf.
It's hypocrisy if the guy is a closet gay and then preaches to the tithing
thousands what they want to hear: sodomy is a sin, homosexuals are an
abomination, gay marriage is against God's wishes.
No one hates this guy. It's just a little schadenfreude.
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02 Nov 2006 04:29:08 PM |
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On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 16:09:12 -0600, "Ken"
<Leftists@Useful_Idiot_Savants.com> wrote:
"Williams" <c-williams3@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1162497210.304938.314910@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4588998
Top evangelical denies gay affair
Ted Haggard of Colorado Springs accused of three-year relationship
By Paula Woodward, 9News Investigative Reporter
and Manny Gonzales, Denver Post Staff Writer
The leader of one of Colorado's most popular mega-churches, Ted
Haggard, said his church would investigate allegations from a male
prostitute that Haggard solicited gay sex, 9News reported Wednesday.
Haggard, the founder and senior leader of the 14,000-member New Life
Church in Colorado Springs and president of the multimillion- member
National Association of Evangelicals, denied the accusations raised by
the prostitute to KUSA- Channel 9. But the pastor said he is prepared
for his own church to investigate the claims.
Male escort Mike Jones of Denver started talking to 9 Wants to Know two
months ago, making claims that he has had a three-year sexual business
relationship with Haggard, the station reported.
Jones went public about their alleged relationship Wednesday morning on
talk radio.
"People may look at me and think what I've done is immoral, but I think
I had to do the moral thing in my mind and that is expose someone who
is preaching one thing and doing the opposite behind everybody's back,"
Jones told 9News.
The station spoke to Haggard outside his home in Colorado Springs, and
he fervently denied the allegations. Haggard is married and has five
children.
"I've never had a gay relationship with anybody. ... I am steady with
my wife. I'm faithful to my wife. I don't know if this is election-year
politics or if this has to do with the marriage amendment or what it
is," Haggard said.
The Denver Post could not reach Haggard for comment.
Haggard has been one of the major proponents for a state constitutional
ban on gay marriage.
Why do you gay Dem-asses hate other gay people now? Actually you hate people
who disagree with you, and you pretend they are gay so you have something
extra to fuel your rage. Why?
Have a nice day,
Ken
"I want to thank my friend, Senator Bill Frist, for joining us today.
(Applause.) You're doing a heck of a job. You cut your teeth here,
right? That's where you started practicing? That's good. He married a
Texas girl, I want you to know. (Laughter.) Karyn is with us. A West
Texas girl, just like me. "
AWOL Bush, the self-described West Texas Girl
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/05/20040527-5.html
those who accuse Kerry of manufacturing the muffed joke excuse believe
its normal to momentarily forget one's own gender!
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04 Nov 2006 05:31:59 PM |
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I hate fundamentalist christians. I hate their guts. I wish they would
stay the ***** out of everyone's business. I even wish they'd quit
voting. Christianity is such a crock of ***** and they take it to the
most ridiculous, fascist level. I wish they'd quit trying to meddle
with the teaching of evolution in school, abortion rights, stem cell
research, and a lot of other things. They're a bunch of tight-assed,
beady-eyed, control-freak assholes.
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but I hated that preacher's
face. He has that kind of severe, control-freak face. His lips
perpetually stick out far in front of his face when he talks. He is
VILE!!!
I am an atheist, and the evilness, corruption, lies, and hypocrisy of
evangelists and catholics has been exposed FAR beyond my wildest dreams
or nightmares. I mean who the ***** is out there that is NOT a big fat
corrupt evildoing liar? I always thought christianity was stupid, but
even I never imagined they were anywhere near this bad before they
started being exposed.
I guess that since Christianity is built on a foundation of LIES, that
it would breed men who lie about sex, money, and drugs also.
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04 Nov 2006 10:17:13 PM |
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On 4 Nov 2006 15:31:59 -0800, wrote:
- Refer: <1162683119.598159.204090@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
I hate fundamentalist christians. I hate their guts. I wish they would
stay the ***** out of everyone's business. I even wish they'd quit
voting. Christianity is such a crock of ***** and they take it to the
most ridiculous, fascist level. I wish they'd quit trying to meddle
with the teaching of evolution in school, abortion rights, stem cell
research, and a lot of other things. They're a bunch of tight-assed,
beady-eyed, control-freak assholes.
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but I hated that preacher's
face. He has that kind of severe, control-freak face. His lips
perpetually stick out far in front of his face when he talks. He is
VILE!!!
I am an atheist, and the evilness, corruption, lies, and hypocrisy of
evangelists and catholics has been exposed FAR beyond my wildest dreams
or nightmares. I mean who the ***** is out there that is NOT a big fat
corrupt evildoing liar? I always thought christianity was stupid, but
even I never imagined they were anywhere near this bad before they
started being exposed.
I guess that since Christianity is built on a foundation of LIES, that
it would breed men who lie about sex, money, and drugs also.
Do you react to syphillus suffers in the same way?
These people are mentally ill, and need treatment.
Some can still be cured.
Some are terminal, and should be isolated, so as not to infect normal
folk.
If you get angry at ill people, it doesn't help.
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| User: "Azaliah" |
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05 Nov 2006 07:57:26 AM |
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On 4 Nov 2006 15:31:59 -0800, while bungee jumping,
wizzzer@hotmail.com shouted thusly:
I hate fundamentalist christians. I hate their guts. I wish they would
stay the ***** out of everyone's business. I even wish they'd quit
voting. Christianity is such a crock of ***** and they take it to the
most ridiculous, fascist level. I wish they'd quit trying to meddle
with the teaching of evolution in school, abortion rights, stem cell
research, and a lot of other things. They're a bunch of tight-assed,
beady-eyed, control-freak assholes.
At least this unbeliever is honest. Most pretend to be loving
and pretend it's the Christians who hate.
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
<((>< <((>< <((><
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
- John 17:17
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05 Nov 2006 08:55:54 AM |
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At least this unbeliever is honest. Most pretend to be loving
and pretend it's the Christians who hate.
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
On the big scoreboard in the sky more people have been killed "in the
name of jesus" than any other religous leader.
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| User: "Azaliah" |
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05 Nov 2006 08:59:39 AM |
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On 5 Nov 2006 06:55:54 -0800, while bungee jumping, "#1
Donkey" <number_1_donkey@hotmail.com> shouted thusly:
At least this unbeliever is honest. Most pretend to be loving
and pretend it's the Christians who hate.
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
On the big scoreboard in the sky more people have been killed "in the
name of jesus" than any other religous leader.
More people have been killed by atheistic nations than
all religions combined. Bye now.
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
<((>< <((>< <((><
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
- John 17:17
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05 Nov 2006 10:07:06 AM |
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Azaliah wrote:
More people have been killed by atheistic nations than
all religions combined.
Name one OFFICIAL atheist country.
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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08 Nov 2006 07:33:42 PM |
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Azaliah wrote:
On 5 Nov 2006 06:55:54 -0800, while bungee jumping, "#1
Donkey" <number_1_donkey@hotmail.com> shouted thusly:
At least this unbeliever is honest. Most pretend to be loving
and pretend it's the Christians who hate.
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
On the big scoreboard in the sky more people have been killed "in the
name of jesus" than any other religous leader.
More people have been killed by atheistic nations than
all religions combined. Bye now.
Which has devoted the most energy to keeping its
citizens illiterate and uneducated?
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05 Nov 2006 12:57:20 PM |
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Azaliah wrote:
On 5 Nov 2006 06:55:54 -0800, while bungee jumping, "#1
Donkey" <number_1_donkey@hotmail.com> shouted thusly:
At least this unbeliever is honest. Most pretend to be loving
and pretend it's the Christians who hate.
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
On the big scoreboard in the sky more people have been killed "in the
name of jesus" than any other religous leader.
More people have been killed by atheistic nations than
all religions combined. Bye now.
One favor: please name any currently atheistic nation that has been
militarily aggressive. I remind you, the country you name must
*currently* exist.
Voracious
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| User: "Azaliah" |
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06 Nov 2006 06:18:28 AM |
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On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 18:57:20 GMT, while bungee jumping,
Voracious <null@void.org> shouted thusly:
Azaliah wrote:
On 5 Nov 2006 06:55:54 -0800, while bungee jumping, "#1
Donkey" <number_1_donkey@hotmail.com> shouted thusly:
At least this unbeliever is honest. Most pretend to be loving
and pretend it's the Christians who hate.
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
On the big scoreboard in the sky more people have been killed "in the
name of jesus" than any other religous leader.
More people have been killed by atheistic nations than
all religions combined. Bye now.
One favor: please name any currently atheistic nation that has been
militarily aggressive. I remind you, the country you name must
*currently* exist.
Voracious
So you think that if I can't name one, that means that
you escape from the fact I stated above?
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
<((>< <((>< <((><
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
- John 17:17
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06 Nov 2006 06:55:28 PM |
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Azaliah wrote:
On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 18:57:20 GMT, while bungee jumping,
Voracious <null@void.org> shouted thusly:
Azaliah wrote:
On 5 Nov 2006 06:55:54 -0800, while bungee jumping, "#1
Donkey" <number_1_donkey@hotmail.com> shouted thusly:
At least this unbeliever is honest. Most pretend to be loving
and pretend it's the Christians who hate.
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
On the big scoreboard in the sky more people have been killed "in the
name of jesus" than any other religous leader.
More people have been killed by atheistic nations than
all religions combined. Bye now.
One favor: please name any currently atheistic nation that has been
militarily aggressive. I remind you, the country you name must
*currently* exist.
Voracious
So you think that if I can't name one, that means that
you escape from the fact I stated above?
Certainly. Given that you can't name an atheistic nation, you can't
prove your *assertion* that atheistic nations have killed more people
than religious, and specifically, Christian ones!
Game over!
Voracious
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| User: "Azaliah" |
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06 Nov 2006 08:04:48 PM |
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On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 00:55:28 GMT, while bungee jumping,
Voracious <null@void.org> shouted thusly:
Azaliah wrote:
On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 18:57:20 GMT, while bungee jumping,
Voracious <null@void.org> shouted thusly:
Azaliah wrote:
On 5 Nov 2006 06:55:54 -0800, while bungee jumping, "#1
Donkey" <number_1_donkey@hotmail.com> shouted thusly:
At least this unbeliever is honest. Most pretend to be loving
and pretend it's the Christians who hate.
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
On the big scoreboard in the sky more people have been killed "in the
name of jesus" than any other religous leader.
More people have been killed by atheistic nations than
all religions combined. Bye now.
One favor: please name any currently atheistic nation that has been
militarily aggressive. I remind you, the country you name must
*currently* exist.
Voracious
So you think that if I can't name one, that means that
you escape from the fact I stated above?
Certainly. Given that you can't name an atheistic nation, you can't
prove your *assertion* that atheistic nations have killed more people
than religious, and specifically, Christian ones!
You can't be this stupid. Did you notice the word "currently"
in his statement? The nation must "currently exist"?
In other words, he is trying to pretend that if no "current"
atheistic nation is doing this, or exists, that what I said
is not HISTORICALLY true.
But what do you care about truth? Goodbye.
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
<((>< <((>< <((><
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
- John 17:17
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| User: "TGP, Jr." |
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06 Nov 2006 09:11:25 PM |
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Azaliah wrote:
In other words, he is trying to pretend that if no "current"
atheistic nation is doing this, or exists, that what I said
is not HISTORICALLY true.
Nice try at a redirect, but not too successful.
You still haven't named one completely atheistic nation. So would you
like to try?
But what do you care about truth?
Personally, I'm just trying to figure out what you see as truth by
asking you to name one atheistic nation period.
Can you?
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| User: "Voracious" |
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| Title: Re: Top evangelical denies gay affair |
07 Nov 2006 06:46:17 PM |
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Azaliah wrote:
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 00:55:28 GMT, while bungee jumping,
Voracious <null@void.org> shouted thusly:
Azaliah wrote:
On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 18:57:20 GMT, while bungee jumping,
Voracious <null@void.org> shouted thusly:
Azaliah wrote:
On 5 Nov 2006 06:55:54 -0800, while bungee jumping, "#1
Donkey" <number_1_donkey@hotmail.com> shouted thusly:
At least this unbeliever is honest. Most pretend to be loving
and pretend it's the Christians who hate.
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
On the big scoreboard in the sky more people have been killed "in the
name of jesus" than any other religous leader.
More people have been killed by atheistic nations than
all religions combined. Bye now.
One favor: please name any currently atheistic nation that has been
militarily aggressive. I remind you, the country you name must
*currently* exist.
Voracious
So you think that if I can't name one, that means that
you escape from the fact I stated above?
Certainly. Given that you can't name an atheistic nation, you can't
prove your *assertion* that atheistic nations have killed more people
than religious, and specifically, Christian ones!
You can't be this stupid. Did you notice the word "currently"
in his statement? The nation must "currently exist"?
In other words, he is trying to pretend that if no "current"
atheistic nation is doing this, or exists, that what I said
is not HISTORICALLY true.
But what do you care about truth? Goodbye.
You're only now catching on to my qualifier, currently. Hope you're not
this slow at everything you do!
Voracious
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| User: "#1 Donkey" |
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| Title: Re: Top evangelical denies gay affair |
06 Nov 2006 09:02:26 AM |
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Yes. How can you make a fact with out backing it up?
Azaliah wrote:
So you think that if I can't name one, that means that
you escape from the fact I stated above?
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| User: "#1 Donkey" |
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05 Nov 2006 04:22:34 PM |
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Voracious wrote:
Azaliah wrote:
On 5 Nov 2006 06:55:54 -0800, while bungee jumping, "#1
Donkey" <number_1_donkey@hotmail.com> shouted thusly:
At least this unbeliever is honest. Most pretend to be loving
and pretend it's the Christians who hate.
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
On the big scoreboard in the sky more people have been killed "in the
name of jesus" than any other religous leader.
More people have been killed by atheistic nations than
all religions combined. Bye now.
One favor: please name any currently atheistic nation that has been
militarily aggressive. I remind you, the country you name must
*currently* exist.
Voracious
You won't find any country in all of history that is atheistic or other
religions that have killed more people then people have killed "in the
name of Jesus"
Praise god and pass the ammunition.
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| User: "Thandarr" |
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| Title: Re: Top evangelical denies gay affair |
02 Nov 2006 10:06:25 PM |
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Let's not get too excited about this one. It would be ironic if true,
but it's probably not. Don't put many eggs in this basket.
I immediately recognized the name as the guy who was in Dawkins's Root*
of All Evil documentary. I see that's been pointed out elsewhere, too.
That'd make it all the more interesting. But again, this has a lot of
the "too weird to be true" about it. I'd have to see a lot more to be
convinced.
Besides, even if it is true, it's not all that bad. He didn't MARRY
him, after all.
Thandarr
*When I originally typed this, I made a typo "Rood of All Evil." Maybe
it's not such a typo after all.
Thandarr
Williams wrote:
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4588998
Top evangelical denies gay affair
Ted Haggard of Colorado Springs accused of three-year relationship
By Paula Woodward, 9News Investigative Reporter
and Manny Gonzales, Denver Post Staff Writer
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| User: "Thandarr" |
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| Title: Re: Top evangelical denies gay affair |
03 Nov 2006 01:47:28 PM |
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Well, I confess. I was wrong.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061103/ap_on_re_us/haggard_sex_allegations
It's nice to be able to concede when you're wrong, though.
Thandarr
Thandarr wrote:
Let's not get too excited about this one. It would be ironic if true,
but it's probably not. Don't put many eggs in this basket.
I immediately recognized the name as the guy who was in Dawkins's Root*
of All Evil documentary. I see that's been pointed out elsewhere, too.
That'd make it all the more interesting. But again, this has a lot of
the "too weird to be true" about it. I'd have to see a lot more to be
convinced.
Besides, even if it is true, it's not all that bad. He didn't MARRY
him, after all.
Thandarr
*When I originally typed this, I made a typo "Rood of All Evil." Maybe
it's not such a typo after all.
Thandarr
Williams wrote:
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4588998
Top evangelical denies gay affair
Ted Haggard of Colorado Springs accused of three-year relationship
By Paula Woodward, 9News Investigative Reporter
and Manny Gonzales, Denver Post Staff Writer
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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05 Nov 2006 05:43:49 PM |
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On 2 Nov 2006 11:53:30 -0800, "Williams" <c-williams3@lycos.com>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
Top evangelical denies gay affair
Haggard has now confessed to buying meth, and "sexual immorality". He
has confessed to a "lifelong" sexual problem. These weasly words are
to spare the old dears in the back row to make them think he meant
looking at Victoria's Secret catalogs where in actuality it was meth
orgies with call boys.
He made an another vague confession, "the things I did opened the door
for additional allegations."
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/05/haggard.allegations/index.html
An overflow congregation responded to the announcement with a standing
ovation. Huh? Christians are freaking nuts. "I have been using your
money for "god" to buy call boys and hard drugs" and they give a
standing ovation? Did they put giggle gas in the air conditioning?
However the board fired him.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227569,00.html
The following is a statement released on Saturday by the New Life
Church of Colorado Springs, Colorado, about the resignation of the
Rev. Ted Haggard:
We, the Overseer Board of New Life Church, have concluded our
deliberations concerning the moral failings of Pastor Ted Haggard. Our
investigation and Pastor Haggard's public statements have proven
without a doubt that he has committed sexually immoral conduct.
The language of our church bylaws state that as Overseers we must
decide in cases where the Senior Pastor has "demonstrated immoral
conduct" whether we must "remove the pastor from his position or to
discipline him in any way they deem necessary."
In consultation with leading evangelicals and experts familiar with
the type of behavior Pastor Haggard has demonstrated, we have decided
that the most positive and productive direction for our church is his
dismissal and removal. In addition, the Overseers will continue to
explore the depth of Pastor Haggard's offense so that a plan of
healing and restoration can begin.
Pastor Haggard and his wife have been informed of this decision. They
have agreed as well that he should be dismissed and that a new pastor
for New Life Church should be selected according to the rules of
replacement in the bylaws.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
More than anything else you want the end of the Republican reign of terror.
Buy a big chunk of it at http://www.democrats.org/
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| User: "#1 Donkey" |
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05 Nov 2006 06:06:18 PM |
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An overflow congregation responded to the announcement with a standing
ovation. Huh? Christians are freaking nuts. "I have been using your
money for "god" to buy call boys and hard drugs" and they give a
standing ovation? Did they put giggle gas in the air conditioning?
I think that they had a "standing ovation" because they know that they
have been duped and don't want to admit it. "I can't be a dupe if all
of these other people are ovating can I?"
It is like the parents of their fallen soldier that say "he died
protecting our country". They don't want to accept that their son died
for nothing or for the enrichment of neo-cons.
Cindy Shehann knows her son died for no reason and all she wants is for
Bush to tell her the truth.
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| User: "Azaliah" |
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| Title: Re: Top evangelical denies gay affair |
02 Nov 2006 02:37:24 PM |
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On 2 Nov 2006 11:53:30 -0800, while bungee jumping, "Williams"
<c-williams3@lycos.com> shouted thusly:
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4588998
Top evangelical denies gay affair
So your purpose in posting this is what? To convince us
that he is guilty until proven innocent?
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
<((>< <((>< <((><
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
- John 17:17
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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| Title: Re: Top evangelical denies gay affair |
02 Nov 2006 10:37:05 PM |
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Azaliah <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 2 Nov 2006 11:53:30 -0800, while bungee jumping, "Williams"
<c-williams3@lycos.com> shouted thusly:
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4588998
Top evangelical denies gay affair
So your purpose in posting this is what? To convince us
that he is guilty until proven innocent?
LOL! The homophobic hate mongering Christian was caught on voice mail,
ya fucking pile of Republican.
---
"You know, when I campaigned here in 2000, I said, I want to be a war
President. No President wants to be a war President, but I am one."
- Mass murdering Christian George W. Bush, Des Moines, Iowa, Oct. 26, 2006
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| User: "Tom Sr." |
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| Title: Re: Top evangelical denies gay affair |
03 Nov 2006 06:49:48 AM |
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Azaliah wrote:
On 2 Nov 2006 11:53:30 -0800, while bungee jumping, "Williams"
<c-williams3@lycos.com> shouted thusly:
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4588998
Top evangelical denies gay affair
So your purpose in posting this is what? To convince us
that he is guilty until proven innocent?
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
- John 17:17
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5115230,00.html
[Haggard] said he would step down to allow the church to carry out an
investigation and so that he could "seek both spiritual advice and
guidance."
His three-paragraph statement contained no denial of the allegations by
49-year-old Mike Jones, of Denver.
....
But KKTV in Colorado Springs reported that New Life Associate Senior
Pastor Ross Parsley told a meeting of church elders Thursday night that
Haggard had met with the church's overseers earlier in the day and "had
admitted to some indiscretions."
Parsley told the elders that Haggard had said some of the allegations
were true, but not all of them.
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-Tom Sr.
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| User: "Mamamia" |
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| Title: Re: Top evangelical denies gay affair |
03 Nov 2006 05:53:27 AM |
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In article <1162558188.334409.61650@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"Tom Sr." <tomswiftsr@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5115230,00.
html
[Haggard] said he would step down to allow the church to carry out an
investigation and so that he could "seek both spiritual advice and
guidance."
His three-paragraph statement contained no denial of the allegations by
49-year-old Mike Jones, of Denver.
...
But KKTV in Colorado Springs reported that New Life Associate Senior
Pastor Ross Parsley told a meeting of church elders Thursday night that
Haggard had met with the church's overseers earlier in the day and "had
admitted to some indiscretions."
Parsley told the elders that Haggard had said some of the allegations
were true, but not all of them.
Generally, when someone initially admits to "some" indiscretions, there
are more snakes hiding in the hole. It appears he had such a snake,
after listening to the interview from Mr. Jones on TV this am.
--
Family values, Right to life, But killing's so correct?
Liars, thugs, pedophiles...What more could we expect?
Petty thieves go to jail...The big ones we elect!
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| User: "Azaliah" |
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| Title: Re: Top evangelical denies gay affair |
03 Nov 2006 06:58:59 AM |
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On 3 Nov 2006 04:49:48 -0800, while bungee jumping, "Tom Sr."
<tomswiftsr@gmail.com> shouted thusly:
Azaliah wrote:
On 2 Nov 2006 11:53:30 -0800, while bungee jumping, "Williams"
<c-williams3@lycos.com> shouted thusly:
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4588998
Top evangelical denies gay affair
So your purpose in posting this is what? To convince us
that he is guilty until proven innocent?
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
- John 17:17
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5115230,00.html
[Haggard] said he would step down to allow the church to carry out an
investigation and so that he could "seek both spiritual advice and
guidance."
His three-paragraph statement contained no denial of the allegations by
49-year-old Mike Jones, of Denver.
...
But KKTV in Colorado Springs reported that New Life Associate Senior
Pastor Ross Parsley told a meeting of church elders Thursday night that
Haggard had met with the church's overseers earlier in the day and "had
admitted to some indiscretions."
Parsley told the elders that Haggard had said some of the allegations
were true, but not all of them.
===============
-Tom Sr.
So has your goal now changed to posting hearsay,
as if it's proof? There is a reason that this type of
thing would not be allowed in court and when one
pastor speaks to another, it is normally a confidential
discussion. So how do I know that I can trust what
was said, by someone who at best, is violating that
confidentiality? Furthermore, even if accurate, it just
says, "some indiscretions". So what? What exactly
does that mean? Whatever you feel like inferring
from it? (:
The fact is, until this man comes out and says what
he did, if he did anything he is accused of, he is
innocent until proven guilty. But those who hate
God think that should apply to everyone except
those who believe in Jesus.
I don't know this man, nor anything about this case.
But I do know that in this country, a person is innocent
until proven guilty in a court of law, or until he
confesses to having done these things.
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
<((>< <((>< <((><
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
- John 17:17
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