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"Bill" |
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11 Feb 2006 02:28:28 PM |
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TOTAL ILLOGIC OF GOD |
Soul. Man has been in existence for about 100,000 years and has evolved from
other man like creatures in existence for another 100,000 years and more.
At what point in evolution did man obtain a 'soul'? At what point in the
gestation process do babies acquire souls and where do these souls come
from?
Sin. The religious concept of sin is quite obviously created by man. Most
the animals, not just man, fight, kill, steal, fornicate, deceive, eat each
other etc.
It is co-related to the concept of 'free will'. Man and other animals have
quite limited 'free will'. We don't have choice as to whether to breathe,
eat or drink. We don't have a choice as to whether or not to avoid excessive
heat or cold. When in water we do not have choice as the whether to sink or
swim.
Think about it. If god could place limits on our 'free will' like the above,
why did he not also avoid giving us the 'free will' to fight, kill, steal,
fornicate, deceive etc.? He could have just given us the freedom to do and
enjoy 'good' things and not create 'evil'. That is, unless he wanted to
torture us.
Christ supposedly had to die on the cross to pay for man's sins. This is
ridiculous on several counts. First, god could have avoided the creation of
such a thing as sin. Secondly, he could have forgiven this sin he created by
doing so directly from his heaven without all this human blood and gore. And
finally humans appear to be no better off, more disease free, free of sin
and punishment than before his claimed death on the cross. What was the
purpose of this illogical nonsense?
Heaven and Hell
Is there ANY objective verifiable evidence that either of these actually
exist?
No dead relatives or friends ever communicate with the living except in
the minds of the psychotic and religious types trying to impress their
flock.
If there is a real god, why does he not permit dead relatives and friends to
communicate with the living and confirm gods existence, and heaven and hell?
These are nothing more than the inventions of man to control the flock. It
is nothing more than the old human weapons to control other men. "Heaven is
the Carrot" and "Hell is the Stick".
Accepting Christ as the ticket to eternal life in heaven.
The Christian religion claims you can only go to heaven by accepting Jesus
Christ as your god. Why do the over 'four billion' non Christians in the
world have to go to hell or be excluded from heaven for all eternity?
Many of them have been born into totally unrelated religions that they
believe in as strongly as Christians believe in their religion. Is this
unavoidable fate automatically sinful? Totally illogical, heartless and
cruel!
There are many different religions and literally thousands of god beliefs.
There many religions such as Judaism, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims,
Shintoists, Confusions, Christians, Catholics etc. There are thousands of
variations in the beliefs of each of these religions and hundreds of minor
religions.
No real god has ever announced directly from his heaven that he is the real
god and all the others are fakes or even that the variations of beliefs
within his own religion are false. There are a plentitude of different
religious documents that proclaim the validity of various gods. Which, if
any, are correct?
Major religious texts and documents;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
Adi Granth and Dasam Granth - canonical scripture of the Sikhs
Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the true one, if
any, and which are fakes? None of these documents are any objective
evidence. They are all documents written, hand copied, modified and further
copied, over the centuries, by errant men with their own personal and
selfish motivations. All of these documents. Except the Book of Morman, were
hand written and hand copied over the centuries before the invention of the
printing press. There is no way to determine authenticity or accuracy of any
of these. The objective evidence is that they are a mixture of inaccurate
history, myth, folklore and legends.
Man can directly communicate with the whole world via TV, the Internet,
Phone and Radio. If there is a real God, why does he not announce to the
whole world from his heaven, by at least an equally effective means, that he
is the real God and all the others are fakes? And why does he not tell us
clearly and directly what he expects from us instead of using hundreds of
vague, ancient, contradictory, unoriginal documents compiled by dozens of
different religions and hundreds of unauthenticated men.
The real objective evidence is that no Gods CREATED MAN but quite the
opposite; that man created gods!
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: TOTAL ILLOGIC OF GOD |
11 Feb 2006 04:50:45 PM |
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Reading is one thing, understanding what one reads is another.
Please take time to read the Scriptures. Therein all your
questions are answered.
God said his way is not our way. In another word, your logic
is not His logic. Why can't you get that, *****?
Bill wrote:
Soul. Man has been in existence for about 100,000 years and has evolved from
other man like creatures in existence for another 100,000 years and more.
At what point in evolution did man obtain a 'soul'? At what point in the
gestation process do babies acquire souls and where do these souls come
from?
Sin. The religious concept of sin is quite obviously created by man. Most
the animals, not just man, fight, kill, steal, fornicate, deceive, eat each
other etc.
It is co-related to the concept of 'free will'. Man and other animals have
quite limited 'free will'. We don't have choice as to whether to breathe,
eat or drink. We don't have a choice as to whether or not to avoid excessive
heat or cold. When in water we do not have choice as the whether to sink or
swim.
Think about it. If god could place limits on our 'free will' like the above,
why did he not also avoid giving us the 'free will' to fight, kill, steal,
fornicate, deceive etc.? He could have just given us the freedom to do and
enjoy 'good' things and not create 'evil'. That is, unless he wanted to
torture us.
Christ supposedly had to die on the cross to pay for man's sins. This is
ridiculous on several counts. First, god could have avoided the creation of
such a thing as sin. Secondly, he could have forgiven this sin he created by
doing so directly from his heaven without all this human blood and gore. And
finally humans appear to be no better off, more disease free, free of sin
and punishment than before his claimed death on the cross. What was the
purpose of this illogical nonsense?
Heaven and Hell
Is there ANY objective verifiable evidence that either of these actually
exist?
No dead relatives or friends ever communicate with the living except in
the minds of the psychotic and religious types trying to impress their
flock.
If there is a real god, why does he not permit dead relatives and friends to
communicate with the living and confirm gods existence, and heaven and hell?
These are nothing more than the inventions of man to control the flock. It
is nothing more than the old human weapons to control other men. "Heaven is
the Carrot" and "Hell is the Stick".
Accepting Christ as the ticket to eternal life in heaven.
The Christian religion claims you can only go to heaven by accepting Jesus
Christ as your god. Why do the over 'four billion' non Christians in the
world have to go to hell or be excluded from heaven for all eternity?
Many of them have been born into totally unrelated religions that they
believe in as strongly as Christians believe in their religion. Is this
unavoidable fate automatically sinful? Totally illogical, heartless and
cruel!
There are many different religions and literally thousands of god beliefs.
There many religions such as Judaism, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims,
Shintoists, Confusions, Christians, Catholics etc. There are thousands of
variations in the beliefs of each of these religions and hundreds of minor
religions.
No real god has ever announced directly from his heaven that he is the real
god and all the others are fakes or even that the variations of beliefs
within his own religion are false. There are a plentitude of different
religious documents that proclaim the validity of various gods. Which, if
any, are correct?
Major religious texts and documents;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
Adi Granth and Dasam Granth - canonical scripture of the Sikhs
Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the true one, if
any, and which are fakes? None of these documents are any objective
evidence. They are all documents written, hand copied, modified and further
copied, over the centuries, by errant men with their own personal and
selfish motivations. All of these documents. Except the Book of Morman, were
hand written and hand copied over the centuries before the invention of the
printing press. There is no way to determine authenticity or accuracy of any
of these. The objective evidence is that they are a mixture of inaccurate
history, myth, folklore and legends.
Man can directly communicate with the whole world via TV, the Internet,
Phone and Radio. If there is a real God, why does he not announce to the
whole world from his heaven, by at least an equally effective means, that he
is the real God and all the others are fakes? And why does he not tell us
clearly and directly what he expects from us instead of using hundreds of
vague, ancient, contradictory, unoriginal documents compiled by dozens of
different religions and hundreds of unauthenticated men.
The real objective evidence is that no Gods CREATED MAN but quite the
opposite; that man created gods!
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| User: "Divine Holiness Church 4 Dogs" |
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| Title: Re: TOTAL ILLOGIC OF GOD |
12 Feb 2006 07:20:51 AM |
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<Reading is one thing, understanding what one reads is another. Please
take time to read the Scriptures. Therein all your questions are
answered.>
Contains no scientific evidence.
<God said his way is not our way. In another word, your logic is not
His logic. Why can't you get that, *****?>
Typical religious fanatic arrogance; believe what I say and never mind
about any evidence.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: TOTAL ILLOGIC OF GOD |
12 Feb 2006 11:31:14 PM |
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Divine Holiness Church 4 Dogs wrote:
<Reading is one thing, understanding what one reads is another. Please
take time to read the Scriptures. Therein all your questions are
answered.>
Contains no scientific evidence.
<God said his way is not our way. In another word, your logic is not
His logic. Why can't you get that, *****?>
Typical religious fanatic arrogance; believe what I say and never mind
about any evidence.
That is what they are brought up to; and they lack the grey matter to
challenge it.
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| User: "Mike Andrade" |
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| Title: Re: TOTAL ILLOGIC OF GOD |
11 Feb 2006 05:25:49 PM |
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"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
news:1139698245.222533.273340@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Reading is one thing, understanding what one reads is another.
Please take time to read the Scriptures. Therein all your
questions are answered.
God said his way is not our way. In another word, your logic
is not His logic. Why can't you get that, *****?
Hello *****.
Just doing the golden rule thing. That's apparently what you wish to
be called.
--
Mike
Zen does not confuse spirituality with thinking about God while one
is peeling patatoes...Zen spirituality is just to peel the potatoes.
-Alan Watts
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| User: "Bill" |
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| Title: Re: TOTAL ILLOGIC OF GOD |
12 Feb 2006 12:55:51 PM |
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"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:1139698245.222533.273340@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Reading is one thing, understanding what one reads is another.
Please take time to read the Scriptures. Therein all your
questions are answered.
God said his way is not our way. In another word, your logic
is not His logic. Why can't you get that, *****?
You should actually read your bibles before you make such silly claims!
The Bibles are the literature of faith, not of scientific observation,
evidence or historical fact or demonstration.
The Bibles are a foundation of quicksand. There are NO ORIGINALS in
existence. Why would God not protect the originals? What are available are
copies of copies by unknown men of questionable veracity biased by, and
dependent on, their membership in the clergy. The originals rotted and
disappeared thousands of years ago. The Bibles were hand written and
recopied more than a thousand years before the invention of the printing
press. And of course we not only do not know what was in the originals but
they were also written and altered by errant biased men motivated to impress
their flock.
If Jesus was God, why did he not leave behind his recorded record of his
rules and commands? Why are there NO Biblical documents written during his
time on earth? The Old Testaments were written before his birth. The New
Testaments were written 60 and more years after his death by men that could
never have known Jesus personally.
There is NO objective verifiable evidence as to their authenticity and
veracity. The Bibles contain both historical and scientific errors. They
contain manifest absurdities, unfulfilled prophesies, immoralities,
indecencies, obscenities, atrocities, barbarities, myths, folklore and
legends. They are nothing more than hearsay, myths, contradictions and
implausible tales.
Here is just a small sampling of implausible Bible stories.
The story of creation
A totally illogical Biblical story is the story of creation. It is obviously
pure fiction
Biblically, god created the world about six thousand years ago. Scientific
evidence indicates the Universe, as we now know it, began more than 13
BILLION years ago or more.
In the Bible, the Universe is a firmament and the Earth is a fixed (not to
mention flat) Planet and the Son, Moon and other planets revolve around the
earth. We now KNOW the Earth revolves around the Son and the Universe is
over 20 BILLION light years in diameter and is made up of trillions of Stars
and Planets of which our planetary system is a very miniscule and
unimportant part. There was no concept of a Universe in Biblical times.
Everything beyond our immediate Son and planets was considered Heaven.
In the Bible the earth is created in the first day, before the Son, Moon and
Stars. Objective scientific evidence is that the Earth did not form until
approximately 10 BILLION YEARS after the beginning of the present Universe
and after the formation of the Son, and many other stars.
The Creation of the World
Genesis
In the beginning of creation, when God made heaven and earth, the earth was
without form and void, with darkness over the face of the abyss, and a
mighty wind that swept over the surface of the waters. God said, Let there
be light, and there was light; and God saw that the light was good, and he
separated light from darkness. He called the light day, and the darkness
night. So evening came, and morning came, the first day. God created light
before he created the Sun and the Moon!
Astronomical evidence indicates shows the Son existed long before the Earth;
therefore the earth was not created before the Son. It is equally obvious
that the writers of that time thought the World was the center the firmament
and that they had no conception of the size and nature of the Universe.
Everything beyond the Sun and Moon was considered to be gods Heaven
God said, Let there be a vault between the waters, to separate water from
water. So God made the vault, and separated the water under the vault from
the water above it, and so it was; and God called the vault heaven. Evening
came, and morning came, a second day.
God said; Let the waters under heaven be gathered into one place, so that
dry land may appear; and so it was. God called the dry land earth, and the
gathering of the waters he called seas; and God saw that it was good. Then
God said, Let the earth produce fresh growth, let there be on the earth
plants bearing seed, fruit-trees bearing fruit each with seed according to
its kind. So it was; the earth yielded fresh growth, plants bearing seed
according to their kind and trees bearing fruit each with seed according to
its king; and God saw that it was good. Evening came, and morning came, a
third day.
And this good and loving God created animals that eat other animals (and
man) and poisonous plants and snakes that kill!
God said, Let there be lights in the vault of heaven to separate day from
night, and let them serve as signs both for festivals and for seasons and
years. Let them also shine in the vault of heaven to give light on earth. So
it was; God made the two great lights, the greater to govern the day and the
lesser to govern the night; and with them he made the stars. God put these
lights in the vault of heaven to give light on earth, to govern day and
night, and to separate light from darkness; and God saw that it was good.
Evening came, and morning came, a fourth day.
Ancient man erroneously thought the stars beyond the Sun and Moon to be
Heaven. The Moon was NOT considered a reflection from the light of the Sun
but a lesser light.
God, said, Let the waters teem with countless living creatures, and let
birds fly above the earth across the vault of heaven. God then created the
great sea-monsters and all living creatures that move and swarm in the
waters, according to their kind, and every kind of bird; and God saw that it
was good. So he blessed them and said, be fruitful and increase, fill the
waters of the seas; and let the birds increase on land. Evening came, and
morning came, a fifth day.
And this all loving God created creatures of that kill and eat other
creatures including man.
Archaeological evidence shows that animals evolved from primitive cells over
a period of about four billion years - not in one day!
God said, let the earth bring forth living creatures, according to their
kind: cattle, reptiles, and wild animals, all according to their kind. So it
was; God made wild animals, cattle, and all reptiles, each according to its
kind; and he saw that it was good. Then God said, Let us make man it our
image and likeness to rule the fish in the sea , the birds of heaven, the
cattle, all wild animals on earth, and all reptiles that crawl upon the
earth. So God created man in his own image; in the image of God he created
him; male and female he created them. God blessed them and said to them, be
fruitful and increase, fill the earth and subdue it, rule over the fish in
the sea, the birds of heaven, and every living thing that moves upon the
earth. God also said, I give you all plants that bear seed everywhere on
earth, and every tree bearing fruit which yields seed: they shall be yours
for food. All green plants I give for food to the wild animals, to all the
birds of heaven, and to all reptiles on earth, every living creature. So it
was; and God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. Evening came,
and morning came, a sixth day.
And God created animals that need to kill and eat other animals including
man in order to survive. This is a loving and caring God?
Thus heaven and earth were completed with all their mighty throng. On the
sixth day God completed all the work he had been doing, and on the seventh
day he ceased from all his work. God blessed the seventh day and made it
holy, because on that day he ceased from all the work he had set himself to
do and rested.
Why would a God that is not physical but spiritual, get tired and need rest?
If this creator is such a loving and caring guy, why does he permit totally
innocent children to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a
fully developed brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.?
Why are some born idiots and others with super intelligence?
Why does this loving and caring god create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes,
Volcanic Eruptions, Wars, cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions that effect people indiscriminately regardless of
their conduct or religious beliefs? Why does he permit millions of both
young and old to starve to death?
These afflict humans indiscriminately - young and old, atheists and members
of all religious beliefs.
Why did he design humans to suffer the decrepitude and malignancies of old
age? Even those that devote their lives to religious leadership suffer these
punishments of old age.
Why did this caring benevolent god create animals that need to eat other
animals to survive?
If there is a god that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent god. The objective evidence is that, if there is a
god creator, he has no concern about the welfare of the creatures on Earth.
Adam and Eve
In the Bible, there are two different accounts of Adam and Eve's creation.
According to the Priestly (P) history of the 5th or 6th century BC (Genesis
1:1-2:4), God on the sixth day of Creation created all the living creatures
and, "in his own image," man both "male and female." God then blessed the
couple, told them to be "fruitful and multiply," and gave them dominion over
all other living things.
According to the lengthier Yahwist (J) narrative of the 10th century BC
(Genesis 2:5-7, 2:15-4:1, 4:25), God, or Yahweh, created Adam at a time when
the earth was still void, forming him from the earth's dust and breathing
"into his nostrils the breath of life." God then gave Adam the primeval
Garden of Eden to tend but, on penalty of death, commanded him not to eat of
the fruit of the "tree of knowledge of good and evil." Subsequently, so that
Adam would not be alone, God created other animals but, finding these
insufficient, put Adam to sleep, took from him a rib, and created a new
companion, Eve. The two were persons of innocence until Eve yielded to the
temptations of the evil serpent and Adam joined her in eating the forbidden
fruit, whereupon they both recognized their nakedness and donned fig leaves
as garments. Immediately, God recognized their transgression and proclaimed
their punishments-for the woman, pain in childbirth and subordination to
man, and, for the man, relegation to an accursed ground with which he must
toil and sweat for his subsistence. Adam died at the age of 930!
In later Christian theology, the concept of original sin (q.v.) took hold-a
sin in which human kind has been held captive since the fall of Adam and
Eve. The doctrine was based on Pauline Scripture but has not been accepted
by a number of Christian sects and interpreters. Why should BILLIONS of
innocent people be punished over thousands of years for this original sin
that they had no part in?
This is both sadistic and ridiculous!
Jonah
As the story is related in the Book of Jonah, the prophet Jonah is called by
God to go to Nineveh (a great Assyrian city) and prophesy disaster because
of the city's wickedness. Jonah, in the story, feels about Nineveh as does
the author of the Book of Nahum-that the city must inevitably be destroyed
because of God's judgment against it. Thus Jonah does not want to prophesy,
because Nineveh might repent and thereby be saved. So he rushes down to
Joppa and takes passage in a ship that will carry him in the opposite
direction, thinking to escape God.
A storm of unprecedented severity strikes the ship, and it shows signs of
breaking up and foundering. Jonah confesses that it is his presence on board
that is causing the storm. At his request, he is thrown overboard, and the
storm subsides.
A "great fish," appointed by God, swallows Jonah, and he stays within the
fish's maw for three days and nights. He prays for deliverance and is
"vomited out" on dry land (ch. 2).
Totally implausible. He would have been digested by the fish in those three
days!
Sodom and Gomorrah
According to the Bible these cities and everyone in them, except Lot and his
family, were destroyed by fire and brimstone for their sinfulness. Lot's
wife was turned into a pillar of salt for disobeying God's command to not
look back at her city of birth being destroyed.
There is no way that EVERYONE in two cities could be so sinful, especially
innocent children, to deserve destruction by fire and brimstone.
Sodom and Gomorrah constituted, along with the cities of Admah, Zeboiim, and
Zoar (Bela), the five biblical "cities of the plain." Destroyed by"brimstone
and fire" because of their wickedness (Genesis 19:24).
Sodom and Gomorrah probably were devastated about 1900 BC by an earthquake
in the Dead Sea area of the Great Rift Valley, an extensive rift extending
from the Jordan River valley in Israel to the Zambezi River system in East
Africa. When the catastrophic destruction occurred, the petroleum and gases
existing in the area probably contributed to the imagery of "brimstone and
fire"
Cruel, inhumane and pure nonsense!
The Tower of Babel
Genesis 11.1 - 11.9
God became concerned that the Tower being built would reach his heaven.
He confounded the builders by giving them different languages so they could
no longer communicate with each other to continue the construction.
Why would this be of any concern to an all powerful God creator and wouldn't
this God creator realize that no tower could possibly reach his spiritual
heaven?
Noah and the Ark
The Bible is claimed to be the inerrant word of God
The story of Noah and the flood is only one of many ridiculous biblical
tales with no authentication or plausibility of any kind. It is an
impossible story.
1. The largest boat ever built to this day could not even come CLOSE to
housing Noah, his sons, wives and two of every type of animal on earth. And
this was a boat built of wood many thousands of years ago. There are 1.7
million KNOWN species of animals on this planet. This story is patently
impossible, using only materials and tools available to Noah, to build an
arch large enough to hold all these creatures, together with suitable
environments for each of them to live in, keeping them all separated so they
don't kill and eat each other. And then provide room and an environment for
many hundreds of millions of known species of insects, plants, molds etc. on
this planet?
2. Where did they house all of the new born during this ten month
escapade?
3. In addition, the ship would have to carry a TEN MONTHS supply of food
and fresh water for the people and thousands of animals for them to survive.
What would the carnivores have eaten? Whatever prey they ate would have gone
extinct. How did they dispose of the thousands of tons of feces? It must
have been one stinking ship!
4. Now according to the Bible the earth was flooded for ten months. This
would kill off all the vegetation. What did the animals eat for an
additional year or more after the flood subsided?
5. Noah sends a dove out to see if there was any dry land. But the dove
returns without finding any. Then, just seven days later, the dove goes out
again and returns with an olive leaf. But how could an olive tree survive
the flood? And if any seeds happened to survive, they certainly wouldn't
germinate and grow leaves within a seven day period. 8:8-11.
6. And according to this myth, Noah was also over 600 years old!
This is a grossly implausible tale that ranks as a greater tale than Santa
Claus, The Wizard of Oz, The Easter Bunny and The Tooth Fairy!
Genesis 6:6
6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was
filled with pain.
7 So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face
of the earth: men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and
birds of the air-for I am grieved that I have made them."
9 Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he
walked with God.
Genesis 7
1 The LORD then said to Noah, "Go into the ark, you and your whole family,
because I have found you righteous in this generation. 2 Take with you seven
[a] of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and two of every
kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven of every kind
of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the
earth. 4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days
and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living
creature I have made."
6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth. 7
And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark to
escape the waters of the flood. 8 Pairs of clean and unclean animals, of
birds and of all creatures that move along the ground, 9 male and female,
came to Noah and entered the ark, as God had commanded Noah. 10 And after
the seven days the floodwaters came on the earth.
This is patently ridiculous and impossible. How could they capture and load
over three million animals in a period of seven days???
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the
second month-on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and
the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth
forty days and forty nights.
13 On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with
his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark. 14 They had with
them every wild animal according to its kind, all livestock according to
their kinds, every creature that moves along the ground according to its
kind and every bird according to its kind, everything with wings. 15 Pairs
of all creatures that have the breath of life in them came to Noah and
entered the ark. 16 The animals going in were male and female of every
living thing, as God had commanded Noah. Then the LORD shut him in.
17 For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters
increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. 18 The waters rose and
increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the
water. 19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under
the entire heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose and covered the
mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet. [, 21 Every living thing that
moved on the earth perished-birds, livestock, wild animals, all the
creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on dry
land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living thing
on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the creatures
that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped from the
earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.
24 The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.
This of course would have also killed all the vegetation on Earth!
Genesis 7:6 (New International Version)
6 Noah was "six hundred" years old when the floodwaters came on the earth.
7 And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark to
escape the waters of the flood
Genesis 8
1 But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that
were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the waters
receded.
3 The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and
fifty days the water had gone down,
4 and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on
the mountains of Ararat.
5 The waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first day
of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible
And what did they eat until all the vegetation recovered from the flood???
Genesis 9 God's Covenant with Noah
1 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and
increase in number and fill the earth.
2 The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and
all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground,
and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands.
3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you
the green plants, I now give you everything.
4 "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it.
5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand
an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand an
accounting for the life of his fellow man.
Before man learned how to create a fire, he had no choice but to eat raw
meat!
Samson
Hebrew Shimshon, Israelite hero portrayed in an epic narrative in the Old
Testament (Judg. 13-16). He was a Nazirite (q.v.) and a legendary warrior
whose incredible exploits hint at the weight of Philistine pressure on
Israel during much of the early, tribal period of Israel in Canaan
(1200-1000).
Samson was claimed to possess extraordinary physical strength, and the moral
of his saga relates the disastrous loss of his power to the violation of his
Nazirite vow. Credited with remarkable exploits-e.g., the slaying of a lion
and moving the gates of Gaza-he first broke his religious promises by
feasting with a woman from the neighboring town of Timnah, who was also a
Philistine, one of Israel's mortal enemies. Other remarkable deeds follow;
e.g., his decimating the Philistines in a private war. On another occasion
he repulsed their assault on him at Gaza, where he had gone to visit a
harlot. He finally fell victim to his foes through love of Delilah, a woman
of the valley of Sorek, who beguiled him into revealing the secret of his
strength: his long Nazirite hair. As he slept, Delilah had his hair cut and
betrayed him. He was captured, blinded, and enslaved by the Philistines, but
in the end he was granted his revenge; through the return of his old
strength, he supposedly demolished the great Philistine temple of the god
Dagon, at Gaza, destroying his captors and himself (Judg.16:4-30).
A truly implausible tale!
God created a three level Universe - Heaven above, a flat World resting on
water. Genesis 1:6-10; 7:11; 8:2; 11:11-9; 19:24; 28:12-13; Exodus 20:4;
Numbers 16:30-33; Deuteronomy 33:17.
God created the Sun and the Moon on the fourth day but created light on the
first day! Genesis1:1-9; 14-19
It is claimed that the Eve, first woman, was created from one of Adam's
ribs.
Genesis 3:1-5 Men and women have the same number of ribs on each side of
their body? And in any case why would a god that has created the Universe
and everything in it need to tale rib from Adam to create Eve???
The Bibles claim that a talking snake talked Eve into eating the forbidden
fruit.
The Bibles claim that Adam lived 930 years, Seth 912 years, Enosh 905 years,
Kenan910 years, Mahalael 895 years, Jared 962 years, Methuselah 969 years;
Lamech 777 years, and Noah 950 years. Genesis 5:-31; 9:29
God commanded that every baby boy at age of eight days be circumcised.
At that time sterilization (of knives) was unknown and many died of
infection for which they new no cure. Why did this almighty and all caring
God create baby boys with foreskins on their penis that he then required to
be painfully and dangerously removed?
This all caring and loving God sent ten horrible plagues upon the Egyptians
Exodus 7:14-12:32 and in his loving generosity gave Israel the land of the
Canaanites and the Israelites slaughtered every person of seven nations.
Twenty one million, men women and innocent children, were slaughtered
according to the Bible. Exodus 12:1-2
This is a loving god???
According to the verse, Jesus was being tempted by Satan, for forty
days. Assuming that Jesus is God, we are required to believe that God
was tempted by Satan, who was created by God in the first place.
[NIV, Mark 1:12-13]
Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all
the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. "All this I will give
you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me." Jesus said to
him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your
God, and serve him only.' " [NIV, Matthew 4:8-10] If Jesus is God,
would the Devil promise him that he will give him the kingdoms of the
world when all the all kingdoms of the world were created by and already
belong to God??
======================================================
God in the Bibles classifies bats as birds when anyone with an elementary
knowledge of biology knows that bats are flying MAMMALS!
Letiviticus11:13, 19
This God can't control his temper resulting in killing thousands of people.
Numbers 11:31-35; 25:1-9
He and Moses ordered the Israelites to kill all the male and Female
Medianites who had ever had sex but to spare the young women who were
virgins and keep them for themselves to enjoy. Numbers 31:14-1
Jeremiah:16:1: The word of the LORD came also unto me, saying,
2: Thou shall not take thee a wife, neither shall thou have sons or
daughters in this place.
3: For thus saith the LORD concerning the sons and concerning the daughters
that are born in this place, and concerning their mothers that bare them,
and concerning their fathers that begat them in this land;
4: They shall die of grievous deaths; they shall not be lamented; neither
shall they be buried; but they shall be as dung upon the face of the earth:
and they shall be consumed by the sword, and by famine; and their carcasses
shall be meat for the fowls of heaven, and for the beasts of the earth.
5: For thus saith the LORD, Enter not into the house of mourning, neither go
to lament nor bemoan them: for I have taken away my peace from this people,
saith the LORD, even loving kindness and mercies.
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According to the unerring Bible, the earth is the oldest object in the
Universe. (Genesis 1:1), snakes can talk (Genesis 3:1-5), and Man had
dominion over the dinosaurs (Genesis 1:26, 28)."
Really??? The Earth did not come into existence until 10 BILLION years after
the Universe. Man came into existence MILLIONS of years AFTER the extinction
of the Dinosaurs.
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God is satisfied with his works
[Gen 1:31]
God is dissatisfied with his works.
[Gen 6:6]
God dwells in chosen temples
[2 Chron 7:12,16]
God dwells not in temples
[Acts 7:48]
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Jesus' claimed last words on the cross, 'My God, my God, why hast thou
forsaken me?' Hardly seems like the words of a god that created and
controlled the whole world and who planned his entry and exit on earth.
More obvious nonsense!
======================================================
Additional Bible nonsense too voluminous to quote fully;
Mt.4:8: Gen. 1:6; Deut. 30.4; Job. 9:6,22:13, 26:11; PSA 75.3, 103.12;
1 Sam 2.8; Isa. 13.5, 40.21-22; Dan 4.10-11; Re. 7.1, 20.8; Psa 93:1, 96:10,
105.5Job. 22.14; Rev. 6.14; Acts 10:11; Rev. 6:13, 8:14; Mat. 2:9; Gen 1:16;
Lev.19.27, 11.7,10-12: Mat. 5:17-19; Luke 16:17; Lev. 19.19; Luke 16:1-9;
Amos 3:6; Isa. 45:7; Lev, 18.22, 20.13; Deut. 13.6; Judges 14.20; 1 Sam
16:21-23, 18.1-3; Sam 1:26, 13:3, 15:37, 16:16-17: Mat. 2:13-15; Luke 2:1-7,
21; Gen. 11.6, 18:21, 27:33; Exod. 9:14, 12:12; Num 33.4; Deut. 3.23; Exod.
18:11; Eccl. 9.5-6, 9:10; Job 7.9-10, 13:28, 14:1-2, 14:1-2, 10-12, 21; Prov
2:18-19; Eccl. 10:17, 17:27, 28, 30, 19.3, 44:9; wisdom 2:1-5
This is just a sampling of ridiculous Bible tales. The Bibles are obviously
a mixture of fiction, fables, folklore and pure nonsense.
And these Bibles were dictated by God??? Then this God must be a demented
idiot.
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12 Feb 2006 12:08:07 AM |
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"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" wrote:
Reading is one thing, understanding what one reads is another.
Please take time to read the Scriptures. Therein all your
questions are answered.
God said his way is not our way. In another word, your logic
is not His logic. Why can't you get that, *****?
YOU have to be the ***** to even contemplate that childish rubbish above.
Bob
Christians don't believe that there are contradictions in the bible.
Why? Because its not written in the bible that there are any.
[With acknowledgments to Andrew W.]
..
Bill wrote:
Soul. Man has been in existence for about 100,000 years and has evolved from
other man like creatures in existence for another 100,000 years and more.
At what point in evolution did man obtain a 'soul'? At what point in the
gestation process do babies acquire souls and where do these souls come
from?
Sin. The religious concept of sin is quite obviously created by man. Most
the animals, not just man, fight, kill, steal, fornicate, deceive, eat each
other etc.
It is co-related to the concept of 'free will'. Man and other animals have
quite limited 'free will'. We don't have choice as to whether to breathe,
eat or drink. We don't have a choice as to whether or not to avoid excessive
heat or cold. When in water we do not have choice as the whether to sink or
swim.
Think about it. If god could place limits on our 'free will' like the above,
why did he not also avoid giving us the 'free will' to fight, kill, steal,
fornicate, deceive etc.? He could have just given us the freedom to do and
enjoy 'good' things and not create 'evil'. That is, unless he wanted to
torture us.
Christ supposedly had to die on the cross to pay for man's sins. This is
ridiculous on several counts. First, god could have avoided the creation of
such a thing as sin. Secondly, he could have forgiven this sin he created by
doing so directly from his heaven without all this human blood and gore. And
finally humans appear to be no better off, more disease free, free of sin
and punishment than before his claimed death on the cross. What was the
purpose of this illogical nonsense?
Heaven and Hell
Is there ANY objective verifiable evidence that either of these actually
exist?
No dead relatives or friends ever communicate with the living except in
the minds of the psychotic and religious types trying to impress their
flock.
If there is a real god, why does he not permit dead relatives and friends to
communicate with the living and confirm gods existence, and heaven and hell?
These are nothing more than the inventions of man to control the flock. It
is nothing more than the old human weapons to control other men. "Heaven is
the Carrot" and "Hell is the Stick".
Accepting Christ as the ticket to eternal life in heaven.
The Christian religion claims you can only go to heaven by accepting Jesus
Christ as your god. Why do the over 'four billion' non Christians in the
world have to go to hell or be excluded from heaven for all eternity?
Many of them have been born into totally unrelated religions that they
believe in as strongly as Christians believe in their religion. Is this
unavoidable fate automatically sinful? Totally illogical, heartless and
cruel!
There are many different religions and literally thousands of god beliefs.
There many religions such as Judaism, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims,
Shintoists, Confusions, Christians, Catholics etc. There are thousands of
variations in the beliefs of each of these religions and hundreds of minor
religions.
No real god has ever announced directly from his heaven that he is the real
god and all the others are fakes or even that the variations of beliefs
within his own religion are false. There are a plentitude of different
religious documents that proclaim the validity of various gods. Which, if
any, are correct?
Major religious texts and documents;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
Adi Granth and Dasam Granth - canonical scripture of the Sikhs
Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the true one, if
any, and which are fakes? None of these documents are any objective
evidence. They are all documents written, hand copied, modified and further
copied, over the centuries, by errant men with their own personal and
selfish motivations. All of these documents. Except the Book of Morman, were
hand written and hand copied over the centuries before the invention of the
printing press. There is no way to determine authenticity or accuracy of any
of these. The objective evidence is that they are a mixture of inaccurate
history, myth, folklore and legends.
Man can directly communicate with the whole world via TV, the Internet,
Phone and Radio. If there is a real God, why does he not announce to the
whole world from his heaven, by at least an equally effective means, that he
is the real God and all the others are fakes? And why does he not tell us
clearly and directly what he expects from us instead of using hundreds of
vague, ancient, contradictory, unoriginal documents compiled by dozens of
different religions and hundreds of unauthenticated men.
The real objective evidence is that no Gods CREATED MAN but quite the
opposite; that man created gods!
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| User: "Your Name Here=Harvey" |
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| Title: Re: TOTAL ILLOGIC OF GOD |
12 Feb 2006 03:37:17 AM |
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In article <43EED05A.423FCBAA@netvigator.com>,
says...
"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" wrote:
Reading is one thing, understanding what one reads is another.
Please take time to read the Scriptures. Therein all your
questions are answered.
God said his way is not our way. In another word, your logic
is not His logic. Why can't you get that, *****?
YOU have to be the ***** to even contemplate that childish rubbish above.
Bob
Christians don't believe that there are contradictions in the bible.
Why? Because its not written in the bible that there are any.
[With acknowledgments to Andrew W.]
Yeah, sure --- only that you can do a Google search and
sure enough, there are enough listings of
Contradictions in the Bible
I guess, by what you say, they just made it all up to irk
the Christians...
I would also believe there are contradictions with the Jews and
the Muslims too, in what they are taught, and in their scripture, etc.
Harvey
.
Bill wrote:
Soul. Man has been in existence for about 100,000 years and has evolved
from
other man like creatures in existence for another 100,000 years and more.
At what point in evolution did man obtain a 'soul'? At what point in the
gestation process do babies acquire souls and where do these souls come
from?
Sin. The religious concept of sin is quite obviously created by man. Most
the animals, not just man, fight, kill, steal, fornicate, deceive, eat
each
other etc.
It is co-related to the concept of 'free will'. Man and other animals
have
quite limited 'free will'. We don't have choice as to whether to breathe,
eat or drink. We don't have a choice as to whether or not to avoid
excessive
heat or cold. When in water we do not have choice as the whether to sink
or
swim.
Think about it. If god could place limits on our 'free will' like the
above,
why did he not also avoid giving us the 'free will' to fight, kill,
steal,
fornicate, deceive etc.? He could have just given us the freedom to do
and
enjoy 'good' things and not create 'evil'. That is, unless he wanted to
torture us.
Christ supposedly had to die on the cross to pay for man's sins. This is
ridiculous on several counts. First, god could have avoided the creation
of
such a thing as sin. Secondly, he could have forgiven this sin he created
by
doing so directly from his heaven without all this human blood and gore.
And
finally humans appear to be no better off, more disease free, free of sin
and punishment than before his claimed death on the cross. What was the
purpose of this illogical nonsense?
Heaven and Hell
Is there ANY objective verifiable evidence that either of these actually
exist?
No dead relatives or friends ever communicate with the living except in
the minds of the psychotic and religious types trying to impress their
flock.
If there is a real god, why does he not permit dead relatives and friends
to
communicate with the living and confirm gods existence, and heaven and
hell?
These are nothing more than the inventions of man to control the flock.
It
is nothing more than the old human weapons to control other men. "Heaven
is
the Carrot" and "Hell is the Stick".
Accepting Christ as the ticket to eternal life in heaven.
The Christian religion claims you can only go to heaven by accepting
Jesus
Christ as your god. Why do the over 'four billion' non Christians in the
world have to go to hell or be excluded from heaven for all eternity?
Many of them have been born into totally unrelated religions that they
believe in as strongly as Christians believe in their religion. Is this
unavoidable fate automatically sinful? Totally illogical, heartless and
cruel!
There are many different religions and literally thousands of god
beliefs.
There many religions such as Judaism, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims,
Shintoists, Confusions, Christians, Catholics etc. There are thousands of
variations in the beliefs of each of these religions and hundreds of
minor
religions.
No real god has ever announced directly from his heaven that he is the
real
god and all the others are fakes or even that the variations of beliefs
within his own religion are false. There are a plentitude of different
religious documents that proclaim the validity of various gods. Which, if
any, are correct?
Major religious texts and documents;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
Adi Granth and Dasam Granth - canonical scripture of the Sikhs
Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the true one, if
any, and which are fakes? None of these documents are any objective
evidence. They are all documents written, hand copied, modified and
further
copied, over the centuries, by errant men with their own personal and
selfish motivations. All of these documents. Except the Book of Morman,
were
hand written and hand copied over the centuries before the invention of
the
printing press. There is no way to determine authenticity or accuracy of
any
of these. The objective evidence is that they are a mixture of inaccurate
history, myth, folklore and legends.
Man can directly communicate with the whole world via TV, the Internet,
Phone and Radio. If there is a real God, why does he not announce to the
whole world from his heaven, by at least an equally effective means, that
he
is the real God and all the others are fakes? And why does he not tell us
clearly and directly what he expects from us instead of using hundreds of
vague, ancient, contradictory, unoriginal documents compiled by dozens of
different religions and hundreds of unauthenticated men.
The real objective evidence is that no Gods CREATED MAN but quite the
opposite; that man created gods!
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: TOTAL ILLOGIC OF GOD |
12 Feb 2006 03:53:11 PM |
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"Your Name Here=Harvey" <kiwi@ing.notin.aus> wrote in message
news:dsmvkb$pd5$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
In article <43EED05A.423FCBAA@netvigator.com>,
says...
"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" wrote:
Reading is one thing, understanding what one reads is another.
Please take time to read the Scriptures. Therein all your
questions are answered.
God said his way is not our way. In another word, your logic
is not His logic. Why can't you get that, *****?
YOU have to be the ***** to even contemplate that childish rubbish
above.
That's the problem! You don't think, but appear to be satisfied
advertising your inability to interpret ancient Semitic social and moral
philosophy sensibly. Are you a believer in social Darwinism, i.e. that
authors 2000 years ago, must all have been morons because they didn't even
have cell phones?
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: TOTAL ILLOGIC OF GOD |
12 Feb 2006 11:30:12 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Your Name Here=Harvey" <kiwi@ing.notin.aus> wrote in message
news:dsmvkb$pd5$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
In article <43EED05A.423FCBAA@netvigator.com>,
says...
"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" wrote:
Reading is one thing, understanding what one reads is another.
Please take time to read the Scriptures. Therein all your
questions are answered.
God said his way is not our way. In another word, your logic
is not His logic. Why can't you get that, *****?
YOU have to be the ***** to even contemplate that childish rubbish
above.
That's the problem! You don't think, but appear to be satisfied
advertising your inability to interpret ancient Semitic social and moral
philosophy sensibly. Are you a believer in social Darwinism, i.e. that
authors 2000 years ago, must all have been morons because they didn't even
have cell phones?
They were hardly morons, more like 'charlatans' since they made up fancifal stories that
they then sold to their flocks as 'facts'. You need to be more than a moron to do that,
but of course they had no doubt those that believed them were morons.
I mean, one would hardly call Benny Hinn a moron, not with his bank balance ! A 'Smart
Aleck' maybe, but 'a moron' ? Naaaah
Bob
"Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last
priest."
[Denis Dioderot 1713-1784]
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13 Feb 2006 07:40:43 AM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:43F018D7.A6C96F0B@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Your Name Here=Harvey" <kiwi@ing.notin.aus> wrote in message
news:dsmvkb$pd5$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
In article <43EED05A.423FCBAA@netvigator.com>,
alaspectrum@netvigator.com
says...
"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" wrote:
Reading is one thing, understanding what one reads is another.
Please take time to read the Scriptures. Therein all your
questions are answered.
God said his way is not our way. In another word, your logic
is not His logic. Why can't you get that, *****?
YOU have to be the ***** to even contemplate that childish rubbish
above.
That's the problem! You don't think, but appear to be satisfied
advertising your inability to interpret ancient Semitic social and moral
philosophy sensibly. Are you a believer in social Darwinism, i.e. that
authors 2000 years ago, must all have been morons because they didn't
even
have cell phones?
They were hardly morons, more like 'charlatans' since they made up
fancifal stories that
they then sold to their flocks as 'facts'. You need to be more than a
moron to do that,
but of course they had no doubt those that believed them were morons.
I mean, one would hardly call Benny Hinn a moron, not with his bank
balance ! A 'Smart
Aleck' maybe, but 'a moron' ? Naaaah
You are not answering the question!!
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| User: "bob young" |
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12 Feb 2006 11:22:39 PM |
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Your Name Here=Harvey wrote:
In article <43EED05A.423FCBAA@netvigator.com>,
says...
"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" wrote:
Reading is one thing, understanding what one reads is another.
Please take time to read the Scriptures. Therein all your
questions are answered.
God said his way is not our way. In another word, your logic
is not His logic. Why can't you get that, *****?
YOU have to be the ***** to even contemplate that childish rubbish above.
Bob
Christians don't believe that there are contradictions in the bible.
Why? Because its not written in the bible that there are any.
[With acknowledgments to Andrew W.]
Yeah, sure --- only that you can do a Google search and
sure enough, there are enough listings of
Contradictions in the Bible
I guess, by what you say, they just made it all up to irk
the Christians...
....it is vry easy to prevent any further irksomeness. Give up superstition and
replace it with common sense and ureka ................"FREEDOM"
I would also believe there are contradictions with the Jews and
the Muslims too, in what they are taught, and in their scripture, etc.
Harvey
.
Bill wrote:
Soul. Man has been in existence for about 100,000 years and has evolved
from
other man like creatures in existence for another 100,000 years and more.
At what point in evolution did man obtain a 'soul'? At what point in the
gestation process do babies acquire souls and where do these souls come
from?
Sin. The religious concept of sin is quite obviously created by man. Most
the animals, not just man, fight, kill, steal, fornicate, deceive, eat
each
other etc.
It is co-related to the concept of 'free will'. Man and other animals
have
quite limited 'free will'. We don't have choice as to whether to breathe,
eat or drink. We don't have a choice as to whether or not to avoid
excessive
heat or cold. When in water we do not have choice as the whether to sink
or
swim.
Think about it. If god could place limits on our 'free will' like the
above,
why did he not also avoid giving us the 'free will' to fight, kill,
steal,
fornicate, deceive etc.? He could have just given us the freedom to do
and
enjoy 'good' things and not create 'evil'. That is, unless he wanted to
torture us.
Christ supposedly had to die on the cross to pay for man's sins. This is
ridiculous on several counts. First, god could have avoided the creation
of
such a thing as sin. Secondly, he could have forgiven this sin he created
by
doing so directly from his heaven without all this human blood and gore.
And
finally humans appear to be no better off, more disease free, free of sin
and punishment than before his claimed death on the cross. What was the
purpose of this illogical nonsense?
Heaven and Hell
Is there ANY objective verifiable evidence that either of these actually
exist?
No dead relatives or friends ever communicate with the living except in
the minds of the psychotic and religious types trying to impress their
flock.
If there is a real god, why does he not permit dead relatives and friends
to
communicate with the living and confirm gods existence, and heaven and
hell?
These are nothing more than the inventions of man to control the flock.
It
is nothing more than the old human weapons to control other men. "Heaven
is
the Carrot" and "Hell is the Stick".
Accepting Christ as the ticket to eternal life in heaven.
The Christian religion claims you can only go to heaven by accepting
Jesus
Christ as your god. Why do the over 'four billion' non Christians in the
world have to go to hell or be excluded from heaven for all eternity?
Many of them have been born into totally unrelated religions that they
believe in as strongly as Christians believe in their religion. Is this
unavoidable fate automatically sinful? Totally illogical, heartless and
cruel!
There are many different religions and literally thousands of god
beliefs.
There many religions such as Judaism, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims,
Shintoists, Confusions, Christians, Catholics etc. There are thousands of
variations in the beliefs of each of these religions and hundreds of
minor
religions.
No real god has ever announced directly from his heaven that he is the
real
god and all the others are fakes or even that the variations of beliefs
within his own religion are false. There are a plentitude of different
religious documents that proclaim the validity of various gods. Which, if
any, are correct?
Major religious texts and documents;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
Adi Granth and Dasam Granth - canonical scripture of the Sikhs
Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the true one, if
any, and which are fakes? None of these documents are any objective
evidence. They are all documents written, hand copied, modified and
further
copied, over the centuries, by errant men with their own personal and
selfish motivations. All of these documents. Except the Book of Morman,
were
hand written and hand copied over the centuries before the invention of
the
printing press. There is no way to determine authenticity or accuracy of
any
of these. The objective evidence is that they are a mixture of inaccurate
history, myth, folklore and legends.
Man can directly communicate with the whole world via TV, the Internet,
Phone and Radio. If there is a real God, why does he not announce to the
whole world from his heaven, by at least an equally effective means, that
he
is the real God and all the others are fakes? And why does he not tell us
clearly and directly what he expects from us instead of using hundreds of
vague, ancient, contradictory, unoriginal documents compiled by dozens of
different religions and hundreds of unauthenticated men.
The real objective evidence is that no Gods CREATED MAN but quite the
opposite; that man created gods!
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11 Feb 2006 06:45:28 PM |
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Now, did God say for you to use the term ***** here?
Or was it just one mimicking yourself?
You started to say something semi-intelligent --- and then you
blew it, by showing us all, how much of an ***** you really are...
God is an *****, if he said anything like...
God said his way is not our way.
No questions are answered in scripture. It is all crap.
To take seriously every word in the bible, and that what is given to
us is completely and utterly accurate - in text and context,
is crap.
Harvey
In article <1139698245.222533.273340@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com says...
Reading is one thing, understanding what one reads is another.
Please take time to read the Scriptures. Therein all your
questions are answered.
God said his way is not our way. In another word, your logic
is not His logic. Why can't you get that, *****?
Bill wrote:
Soul. Man has been in existence for about 100,000 years and has evolved
from
other man like creatures in existence for another 100,000 years and more.
At what point in evolution did man obtain a 'soul'? At what point in the
gestation process do babies acquire souls and where do these souls come
from?
Sin. The religious concept of sin is quite obviously created by man. Most
the animals, not just man, fight, kill, steal, fornicate, deceive, eat each
other etc.
It is co-related to the concept of 'free will'. Man and other animals have
quite limited 'free will'. We don't have choice as to whether to breathe,
eat or drink. We don't have a choice as to whether or not to avoid
excessive
heat or cold. When in water we do not have choice as the whether to sink or
swim.
Think about it. If god could place limits on our 'free will' like the
above,
why did he not also avoid giving us the 'free will' to fight, kill, steal,
fornicate, deceive etc.? He could have just given us the freedom to do and
enjoy 'good' things and not create 'evil'. That is, unless he wanted to
torture us.
Christ supposedly had to die on the cross to pay for man's sins. This is
ridiculous on several counts. First, god could have avoided the creation of
such a thing as sin. Secondly, he could have forgiven this sin he created
by
doing so directly from his heaven without all this human blood and gore.
And
finally humans appear to be no better off, more disease free, free of sin
and punishment than before his claimed death on the cross. What was the
purpose of this illogical nonsense?
Heaven and Hell
Is there ANY objective verifiable evidence that either of these actually
exist?
No dead relatives or friends ever communicate with the living except in
the minds of the psychotic and religious types trying to impress their
flock.
If there is a real god, why does he not permit dead relatives and friends
to
communicate with the living and confirm gods existence, and heaven and
hell?
These are nothing more than the inventions of man to control the flock. It
is nothing more than the old human weapons to control other men. "Heaven is
the Carrot" and "Hell is the Stick".
Accepting Christ as the ticket to eternal life in heaven.
The Christian religion claims you can only go to heaven by accepting Jesus
Christ as your god. Why do the over 'four billion' non Christians in the
world have to go to hell or be excluded from heaven for all eternity?
Many of them have been born into totally unrelated religions that they
believe in as strongly as Christians believe in their religion. Is this
unavoidable fate automatically sinful? Totally illogical, heartless and
cruel!
There are many different religions and literally thousands of god beliefs.
There many religions such as Judaism, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims,
Shintoists, Confusions, Christians, Catholics etc. There are thousands of
variations in the beliefs of each of these religions and hundreds of minor
religions.
No real god has ever announced directly from his heaven that he is the real
god and all the others are fakes or even that the variations of beliefs
within his own religion are false. There are a plentitude of different
religious documents that proclaim the validity of various gods. Which, if
any, are correct?
Major religious texts and documents;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
Adi Granth and Dasam Granth - canonical scripture of the Sikhs
Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the true one, if
any, and which are fakes? None of these documents are any objective
evidence. They are all documents written, hand copied, modified and further
copied, over the centuries, by errant men with their own personal and
selfish motivations. All of these documents. Except the Book of Morman,
were
hand written and hand copied over the centuries before the invention of the
printing press. There is no way to determine authenticity or accuracy of
any
of these. The objective evidence is that they are a mixture of inaccurate
history, myth, folklore and legends.
Man can directly communicate with the whole world via TV, the Internet,
Phone and Radio. If there is a real God, why does he not announce to the
whole world from his heaven, by at least an equally effective means, that
he
is the real God and all the others are fakes? And why does he not tell us
clearly and directly what he expects from us instead of using hundreds of
vague, ancient, contradictory, unoriginal documents compiled by dozens of
different religions and hundreds of unauthenticated men.
The real objective evidence is that no Gods CREATED MAN but quite the
opposite; that man created gods!
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: TOTAL ILLOGIC OF GOD |
11 Feb 2006 11:50:11 PM |
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Bill wrote:
Soul. Man has been in existence for about 100,000 years and has evolved from
other man like creatures in existence for another 100,000 years and more.
At what point in evolution did man obtain a 'soul'? At what point in the
gestation process do babies acquire souls and where do these souls come
from?
At the point where early relgionists needed additonal gobbledeegook to add
mystery to their belief
Sin. The religious concept of sin is quite obviously created by man. Most
the animals, not just man, fight, kill, steal, fornicate, deceive, eat each
other etc.
Early man had no protection from rule of law. The only way to deter bad folks
from doing bad things was the fear of an all powerful 'Lord' that would punish
them. Worked back then perhaps but grossly silly today.
It is co-related to the concept of 'free will'. Man and other animals have
quite limited 'free will'. We don't have choice as to whether to breathe,
eat or drink. We don't have a choice as to whether or not to avoid excessive
heat or cold. When in water we do not have choice as the whether to sink or
swim.
Think about it. If god could place limits on our 'free will' like the above,
why did he not also avoid giving us the 'free will' to fight, kill, steal,
fornicate, deceive etc.? He could have just given us the freedom to do and
enjoy 'good' things and not create 'evil'. That is, unless he wanted to
torture us.
Christ supposedly had to die on the cross to pay for man's sins. This is
ridiculous on several counts. First, god could have avoided the creation of
such a thing as sin. Secondly, he could have forgiven this sin he created by
doing so directly from his heaven without all this human blood and gore. And
finally humans appear to be no better off, more disease free, free of sin
and punishment than before his claimed death on the cross. What was the
purpose of this illogical nonsense?
Heaven and Hell
Is there ANY objective verifiable evidence that either of these actually
exist?
No dead relatives or friends ever communicate with the living except in
the minds of the psychotic and religious types trying to impress their
flock.
If there is a real god, why does he not permit dead relatives and friends to
communicate with the living and confirm gods existence, and heaven and hell?
These are nothing more than the inventions of man to control the flock. It
is nothing more than the old human weapons to control other men. "Heaven is
the Carrot" and "Hell is the Stick".
Can't argue with that but millions of silly folks will.
At first sight that might seem rather amusing; but on second thoughts is is
frightening.
Accepting Christ as the ticket to eternal life in heaven.
The Christian religion claims you can only go to heaven by accepting Jesus
Christ as your god. Why do the over 'four billion' non Christians in the
world have to go to hell or be excluded from heaven for all eternity?
True, but what is conveniently forgotten on many occasions is that all the
other religions say pretty much the same thing.
Many of them have been born into totally unrelated religions that they
believe in as strongly as Christians believe in their religion. Is this
unavoidable fate automatically sinful? Totally illogical, heartless and
cruel!
There are many different religions and literally thousands of god beliefs.
There many religions such as Judaism, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims,
Shintoists, Confusions, Christians, Catholics etc. There are thousands of
variations in the beliefs of each of these religions and hundreds of minor
religions.
No real god has ever announced directly from his heaven that he is the real
god and all the others are fakes or even that the variations of beliefs
within his own religion are false. There are a plentitude of different
religious documents that proclaim the validity of various gods. Which, if
any, are correct?
Major religious texts and documents;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
Adi Granth and Dasam Granth - canonical scripture of the Sikhs
Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the true one, if
any, and which are fakes? None of these documents are any objective
evidence. They are all documents written, hand copied, modified and further
copied, over the centuries, by errant men with their own personal and
selfish motivations. All of these documents. Except the Book of Morman, were
hand written and hand copied over the centuries before the invention of the
printing press. There is no way to determine authenticity or accuracy of any
of these. The objective evidence is that they are a mixture of inaccurate
history, myth, folklore and legends.
Man can directly communicate with the whole world via TV, the Internet,
Phone and Radio. If there is a real God, why does he not announce to the
whole world from his heaven, by at least an equally effective means, that he
is the real God and all the others are fakes? And why does he not tell us
clearly and directly what he expects from us instead of using hundreds of
vague, ancient, contradictory, unoriginal documents compiled by dozens of
different religions and hundreds of unauthenticated men.
The real objective evidence is that no Gods CREATED MAN but quite the
opposite; that man created gods!
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| User: "CaptainCatechism" |
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| Title: Re: TOTAL ILLOGIC OF GOD |
11 Feb 2006 03:37:26 PM |
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If you meet a Christian that says God is logical in every way by our
standards, you have not met a Christian.
CC
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| User: "Your Name Here=Harvey" |
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11 Feb 2006 03:31:52 PM |
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In article <oLrHf.12938$pM6.5263@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
says...
Soul. Man has been in existence for about 100,000 years and has evolved from
other man like creatures in existence for another 100,000 years and more.
At what point in evolution did man obtain a 'soul'? At what point in the
gestation process do babies acquire souls and where do these souls come
from?
Sin. The religious concept of sin is quite obviously created by man. Most
the animals, not just man, fight, kill, steal, fornicate, deceive, eat each
other etc.
It is co-related to the concept of 'free will'. Man and other animals have
quite limited 'free will'. We don't have choice as to whether to breathe,
eat or drink. We don't have a choice as to whether or not to avoid excessive
heat or cold. When in water we do not have choice as the whether to sink or
swim.
Think about it. If god could place limits on our 'free will' like the above,
why did he not also avoid giving us the 'free will' to fight, kill, steal,
fornicate, deceive etc.? He could have just given us the freedom to do and
enjoy 'good' things and not create 'evil'. That is, unless he wanted to
torture us.
Christ supposedly had to die on the cross to pay for man's sins. This is
ridiculous on several counts. First, god could have avoided the creation of
such a thing as sin. Secondly, he could have forgiven this sin he created by
doing so directly from his heaven without all this human blood and gore. And
finally humans appear to be no better off, more disease free, free of sin
and punishment than before his claimed death on the cross. What was the
purpose of this illogical nonsense?
Heaven and Hell
Is there ANY objective verifiable evidence that either of these actually
exist?
No dead relatives or friends ever communicate with the living except in
the minds of the psychotic and religious types trying to impress their
flock.
If there is a real god, why does he not permit dead relatives and friends to
communicate with the living and confirm gods existence, and heaven and hell?
These are nothing more than the inventions of man to control the flock. It
is nothing more than the old human weapons to control other men. "Heaven is
the Carrot" and "Hell is the Stick".
Accepting Christ as the ticket to eternal life in heaven.
The Christian religion claims you can only go to heaven by accepting Jesus
Christ as your god. Why do the over 'four billion' non Christians in the
world have to go to hell or be excluded from heaven for all eternity?
Many of them have been born into totally unrelated religions that they
believe in as strongly as Christians believe in their religion. Is this
unavoidable fate automatically sinful? Totally illogical, heartless and
cruel!
There are many different religions and literally thousands of god beliefs.
There many religions such as Judaism, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims,
Shintoists, Confusions, Christians, Catholics etc. There are thousands of
variations in the beliefs of each of these religions and hundreds of minor
religions.
No real god has ever announced directly from his heaven that he is the real
god and all the others are fakes or even that the variations of beliefs
within his own religion are false. There are a plentitude of different
religious documents that proclaim the validity of various gods. Which, if
any, are correct?
Major religious texts and documents;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
Adi Granth and Dasam Granth - canonical scripture of the Sikhs
Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the true one, if
any, and which are fakes? None of these documents are any objective
evidence. They are all documents written, hand copied, modified and further
copied, over the centuries, by errant men with their own personal and
selfish motivations. All of these documents. Except the Book of Morman, were
hand written and hand copied over the centuries before the invention of the
printing press. There is no way to determine authenticity or accuracy of any
of these. The objective evidence is that they are a mixture of inaccurate
history, myth, folklore and legends.
Man can directly communicate with the whole world via TV, the Internet,
Phone and Radio. If there is a real God, why does he not announce to the
whole world from his heaven, by at least an equally effective means, that he
is the real God and all the others are fakes? And why does he not tell us
clearly and directly what he expects from us instead of using hundreds of
vague, ancient, contradictory, unoriginal documents compiled by dozens of
different religions and hundreds of unauthenticated men.
The real objective evidence is that no Gods CREATED MAN but quite the
opposite; that man created gods!
Your 100,000 years seems too conservative a number.
Soul is that which animates a living body, such that when the body dies,
the soul is released. You could also call it consciousness, personality,
spirit.
There are accounts of out of body experiences, in which the consciousness
leaves the body, makes an observation and returns to the body, waking up
with the memory of the observation. The information provides the proof that
this was done.
Near death experiences are much the same, except this occured when a person
was clinically dead, and was revived.
Read the literature, there are plenty of accounts to read about.
And there are past lives accounts. If you just read the accounts which are
documented as being correct in their information, you are still left with
enough cases to prove that point.
Reincarnation does make some kind of sense, and answers certain questions
about yourself. Why you have certain abilities that are simply just there,
which you didn't develop.
But it also opens up many many more questions.
I tend to believe in that which has various evidence to back it up with,
and that it does make sense, that such things can occur.
I don't like belief systems which are totally illogic, when seen in
context with the real world in which we live, in which there is no
evidence for - and it all sounds too quackery - like all the Christian
beliefs, same for Jewish and Islamic.
That once some believer starts explaining their religion - you know right
from the start, you don't believe it, because their fundamental beliefs
sound so wrong - because there is no evidence or logic to it, at all.
The points I've made about the soul and reincarnation - do have the evidence
available for it, and it does make sense - if you would think about it.
There is the logic there.
Harvey
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| User: "Bill" |
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| Title: Re: TOTAL ILLOGIC OF GOD |
12 Feb 2006 12:47:23 PM |
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"Your Name Here=Harvey" <kiwi@ing.notin.aus> wrote in message
news:dsll44$bb9$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
In article <oLrHf.12938$pM6.5263@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
wmech@bellsouth.net
says...
Soul. Man has been in existence for about 100,000 years and has evolved
from
other man like creatures in existence for another 100,000 years and more.
At what point in evolution did man obtain a 'soul'? At what point in the
gestation process do babies acquire souls and where do these souls come
from?
Sin. The religious concept of sin is quite obviously created by man. Most
the animals, not just man, fight, kill, steal, fornicate, deceive, eat
each
other etc.
It is co-related to the concept of 'free will'. Man and other animals have
quite limited 'free will'. We don't have choice as to whether to breathe,
eat or drink. We don't have a choice as to whether or not to avoid
excessive
heat or cold. When in water we do not have choice as the whether to sink
or
swim.
Think about it. If god could place limits on our 'free will' like the
above,
why did he not also avoid giving us the 'free will' to fight, kill, steal,
fornicate, deceive etc.? He could have just given us the freedom to do and
enjoy 'good' things and not create 'evil'. That is, unless he wanted to
torture us.
Christ supposedly had to die on the cross to pay for man's sins. This is
ridiculous on several counts. First, god could have avoided the creation
of
such a thing as sin. Secondly, he could have forgiven this sin he created
by
doing so directly from his heaven without all this human blood and gore.
And
finally humans appear to be no better off, more disease free, free of sin
and punishment than before his claimed death on the cross. What was the
purpose of this illogical nonsense?
Heaven and Hell
Is there ANY objective verifiable evidence that either of these actually
exist?
No dead relatives or friends ever communicate with the living except in
the minds of the psychotic and religious types trying to impress their
flock.
If there is a real god, why does he not permit dead relatives and friends
to
communicate with the living and confirm gods existence, and heaven and
hell?
These are nothing more than the inventions of man to control the flock. It
is nothing more than the old human weapons to control other men. "Heaven
is
the Carrot" and "Hell is the Stick".
Accepting Christ as the ticket to eternal life in heaven.
The Christian religion claims you can only go to heaven by accepting Jesus
Christ as your god. Why do the over 'four billion' non Christians in the
world have to go to hell or be excluded from heaven for all eternity?
Many of them have been born into totally unrelated religions that they
believe in as strongly as Christians believe in their religion. Is this
unavoidable fate automatically sinful? Totally illogical, heartless and
cruel!
There are many different religions and literally thousands of god beliefs.
There many religions such as Judaism, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims,
Shintoists, Confusions, Christians, Catholics etc. There are thousands of
variations in the beliefs of each of these religions and hundreds of minor
religions.
No real god has ever announced directly from his heaven that he is the
real
god and all the others are fakes or even that the variations of beliefs
within his own religion are false. There are a plentitude of different
religious documents that p | | |
