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"Father Haskell" |
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19 Oct 2006 09:11:46 PM |
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transusbtantiation question |
Can human flesh and blood be transubstantiated into crackers and wine?
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| User: "James" |
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| Title: Re: transusbtantiation question |
22 Nov 2006 09:22:33 AM |
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"Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com>
Re: transusbtantiation question
Can human flesh and blood be transubstantiated into crackers and wine?
Hello,
After it is allegedly "transubstantiated", look at their cellular
structure under a strong microscope. If the "crackers and wine" are
changed into red and white blood cells and platelets and bone marrow
etc, then it is a miracle and the transubstantiation is real. If it is
not, then the whole thing is false. (unless the changes are only meant
to occur in the mind of the believers, then it is only a belief with
no evidence to support it)
Interestingly the Greek word that is translated as "is" in that verse
(such as Mark 14:22), comes from "estin". This word can also mean "to
denote, signify". The same Greek word (estin) is found in the Catholic
New Jerusalem Bible at Mt 12:7 as is not translated as "is" but as
"the meaning of". Thus it is up to the translators to figure out which
definition of "estin" they want to use.
Thus, a more proper rendering of Mark 14:22 and more in line with the
Scriptures (eating human flesh etc is considered cannibalism, and
drinking blood prohibited-Ac 15:29) would be:
"And as they continued eating, he took a loaf, said a blessing, broke
it and gave it to them, and said: "Take it, this means my body." (Mr
14:22; NWT)
Now the emblems REPRESENT Jesus' body and blood and thus a reminder of
how Jesus gave up his body for all humankind. As this Catholic Bible
says at He 10:10,
"By this "will," we have been consecrated through the offering of the
body of Jesus Christ once for all." (NAB)
Notice, the literal body of Jesus was sacrificed only "once". Thus
there would be no body of Jesus available at transubstantiation
anyway.
I hope the above Scriptural references have helped to answer your
question.
Sincerely, James
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: transusbtantiation question |
23 Nov 2006 06:33:02 AM |
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On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:22:33 -0500, James <bireda@allvantage.com> wrote:
Can human flesh and blood be transubstantiated into crackers and wine?
Hello,
After it is allegedly "transubstantiated", look at their cellular
structure under a strong microscope. If the "crackers and wine" are
changed into red and white blood cells and platelets and bone marrow
etc, then it is a miracle and the transubstantiation is real. If it is
not, then the whole thing is false. (unless the changes are only meant
to occur in the mind of the believers, then it is only a belief with
no evidence to support it)
The substance of bread and wine are changed into the substance of the Body and
Blood of Christ while remaining under the visual, taste, and texture of the
substance of bread and wine.
Jesus himself said "this is my Body and the cup of my Blood". We Roman
Catholics accept him at his word. Why do you call him a liar?
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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| Title: Re: transusbtantiation question |
23 Nov 2006 01:16:20 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 06:33:02 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:22:33 -0500, James <bireda@allvantage.com> wrote:
Can human flesh and blood be transubstantiated into crackers and wine?
Hello,
After it is allegedly "transubstantiated", look at their cellular
structure under a strong microscope. If the "crackers and wine" are
changed into red and white blood cells and platelets and bone marrow
etc, then it is a miracle and the transubstantiation is real. If it is
not, then the whole thing is false. (unless the changes are only meant
to occur in the mind of the believers, then it is only a belief with
no evidence to support it)
The substance of bread and wine are changed into the substance of the Body and
Blood of Christ while remaining under the visual, taste, and texture of the
substance of bread and wine.
What is the substance of the Body and Blood of Christ, do you know?
Jesus himself said "this is my Body and the cup of my Blood". We Roman
Catholics accept him at his word. Why do you call him a liar?
I'm sure you believe it, but can you show me that you understand it
too?
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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| Title: Re: transusbtantiation question |
25 Nov 2006 08:32:41 AM |
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What is the substance of the Body and Blood of Christ, do you know?
A TOTAL AND COMPLETE CROCK OF CRAP, THAT'S WHAT IT IS
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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| Title: Re: transusbtantiation question |
25 Nov 2006 11:57:12 AM |
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On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 14:32:41 GMT, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"
<killgod@killgod.com> wrote:
What is the substance of the Body and Blood of Christ, do you know?
A TOTAL AND COMPLETE CROCK OF CRAP, THAT'S WHAT IT IS
I guess that's exactly the reason why you miss Christ everytime.
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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| Title: Re: transusbtantiation question |
25 Nov 2006 12:45:16 PM |
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What is the substance of the Body and Blood of Christ, do you know?
A TOTAL AND COMPLETE CROCK OF CRAP, THAT'S WHAT IT IS
I guess that's exactly the reason why you miss Christ everytime
at least I missed being MURDERED by the "loving, caring" christian god when
he MURDERED lots of people with the tsunami, thank goodness
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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| Title: Re: transusbtantiation question |
26 Nov 2006 04:41:04 PM |
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On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 18:45:16 GMT, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"
<killgod@killgod.com> wrote:
What is the substance of the Body and Blood of Christ, do you know?
A TOTAL AND COMPLETE CROCK OF CRAP, THAT'S WHAT IT IS
I guess that's exactly the reason why you miss Christ everytime
at least I missed being MURDERED by the "loving, caring" christian god when
he MURDERED lots of people with the tsunami, thank goodness
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The real loving and caring Christian God has nothing to do with the
tsunami. You have been deceived. The great flood is not the work of
God. It's devil's deceit.
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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| Title: Re: transusbtantiation question |
26 Nov 2006 11:10:26 PM |
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at least I missed being MURDERED by the "loving, caring" christian god
when
he MURDERED lots of people with the tsunami, thank goodness
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The real loving and caring Christian God has nothing to do with the
tsunami. You have been deceived. The great flood is not the work of
God. It's devil's deceit.
and the REASON that your ***** god allows people to be KILLED is WHAT
EXACTLY?
Is your god sitting on his FAT, LAZY *****, watching the show and doing
nothing to help as usual?
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: transusbtantiation question |
26 Nov 2006 03:40:24 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 14:16:20 -0500, Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote:
The substance of bread and wine are changed into the substance of the Body and
Blood of Christ while remaining under the visual, taste, and texture of the
substance of bread and wine.
What is the substance of the Body and Blood of Christ, do you know?
Yes, the substance of his Body and Blood.
Jesus himself said "this is my Body and the cup of my Blood". We Roman
Catholics accept him at his word. Why do you call him a liar?
I'm sure you believe it, but can you show me that you understand it
too?
We as human beings never will be able to understand it.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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| Title: Re: transusbtantiation question |
27 Nov 2006 12:16:57 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 15:40:24 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 14:16:20 -0500, Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote:
The substance of bread and wine are changed into the substance of the Body and
Blood of Christ while remaining under the visual, taste, and texture of the
substance of bread and wine.
What is the substance of the Body and Blood of Christ, do you know?
Yes, the substance of his Body and Blood.
What is that? Do you know?
Jesus himself said "this is my Body and the cup of my Blood". We Roman
Catholics accept him at his word. Why do you call him a liar?
I'm sure you believe it, but can you show me that you understand it
too?
We as human beings never will be able to understand it.
Isn't it blind faith to believe without understanding? If you believe
what you don't understand, how can you be sure no one is going to take
advantage of you to lead you to the opposite of what you intend to
believe?
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: transusbtantiation question |
27 Nov 2006 02:05:37 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:16:57 -0500, Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote:
The substance of bread and wine are changed into the substance of the Body and
Blood of Christ while remaining under the visual, taste, and texture of the
substance of bread and wine.
What is the substance of the Body and Blood of Christ, do you know?
Yes, the substance of his Body and Blood.
What is that? Do you know?
Yes, the substance of his Body and Blood.
Jesus himself said "this is my Body and the cup of my Blood". We Roman
Catholics accept him at his word. Why do you call him a liar?
I'm sure you believe it, but can you show me that you understand it
too?
We as human beings never will be able to understand it.
Isn't it blind faith to believe without understanding? If you believe
what you don't understand, how can you be sure no one is going to take
advantage of you to lead you to the opposite of what you intend to
believe?
Not when it's insured by God.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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| Title: Re: transusbtantiation question |
27 Nov 2006 02:28:44 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:05:37 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:16:57 -0500, Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote:
The substance of bread and wine are changed into the substance of the Body and
Blood of Christ while remaining under the visual, taste, and texture of the
substance of bread and wine.
What is the substance of the Body and Blood of Christ, do you know?
Yes, the substance of his Body and Blood.
What is that? Do you know?
Yes, the substance of his Body and Blood.
In what sense? You are not telling me that you practice cannibalism,
are you?
Jesus himself said "this is my Body and the cup of my Blood". We Roman
Catholics accept him at his word. Why do you call him a liar?
I'm sure you believe it, but can you show me that you understand it
too?
We as human beings never will be able to understand it.
Isn't it blind faith to believe without understanding? If you believe
what you don't understand, how can you be sure no one is going to take
advantage of you to lead you to the opposite of what you intend to
believe?
Not when it's insured by God.
As if you already know God when you have been told that you are a
sinner. Do you know what it means to be a sinner? A sinner is someone
who doesn't know God. Are you a sinner? If you are, then you have to
admit that you don't really know God, right?
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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| Title: Re: transusbtantiation question |
27 Nov 2006 07:32:24 PM |
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Eric Brze wrote:
In what sense? You are not telling me that you practice cannibalism,
are you?
That's exactly what he's telling you.
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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| Title: Re: transusbtantiation question |
27 Nov 2006 09:43:26 PM |
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On 27 Nov 2006 17:32:24 -0800, "Father Haskell"
<fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote:
Eric Brze wrote:
In what sense? You are not telling me that you practice cannibalism,
are you?
That's exactly what he's telling you.
No, don't be foolish. The teaching of Jesus Christ has nothing to do
with cannibalism. The church does not explain what exactly it means
because they don't know and they don't want anybody else to know
either. Therefore, it's up to the individuals to find out the truth by
themselves. It has nothing to do with the power of magic. It's all
about the truth.
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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| Title: Re: transusbtantiation question |
27 Nov 2006 10:17:06 PM |
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Eric Brze wrote:
On 27 Nov 2006 17:32:24 -0800, "Father Haskell"
<fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote:
Eric Brze wrote:
In what sense? You are not telling me that you practice cannibalism,
are you?
That's exactly what he's telling you.
No, don't be foolish. The teaching of Jesus Christ has nothing to do
with cannibalism.
Consuming human flesh and blood is cannibalism.
The church does not explain what exactly it means
because they don't know and they don't want anybody else to know
either. Therefore, it's up to the individuals to find out the truth by
themselves. It has nothing to do with the power of magic. It's all
about the truth.
It's all about a series of what could be called "idiot filters" or
"gullibilty traps." Anyone who passes the communion test
without gagging is probably an excellent candidate for
conversion. Anyone else would be faux texture-painting the
walls with consecrated puke... and red wine is a ***** to
get out of your carpets, doubly so in this case.
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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| Title: Re: transusbtantiation question |
26 Nov 2006 05:24:47 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 14:16:20 -0500, Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote:
The substance of bread and wine are changed into the substance of the Body and
Blood of Christ while remaining under the visual, taste, and texture of the
substance of bread and wine.
What is the substance of the Body and Blood of Christ, do you know?
Yes, the substance of his Body and Blood.
Sue your church.
Jesus himself said "this is my Body and the cup of my Blood". We Roman
Catholics accept him at his word. Why do you call him a liar?
I'm sure you believe it, but can you show me that you understand it
too?
We as human beings never will be able to understand it.
It's *****.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: transusbtantiation question |
27 Nov 2006 02:04:26 PM |
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On 26 Nov 2006 15:24:47 -0800, "Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote:
What is the substance of the Body and Blood of Christ, do you know?
Yes, the substance of his Body and Blood.
Sue your church.
It's insured by God.
Jesus himself said "this is my Body and the cup of my Blood". We Roman
Catholics accept him at his word. Why do you call him a liar?
I'm sure you believe it, but can you show me that you understand it
too?
We as human beings never will be able to understand it.
It's *****.
Tell satan hi for me. I hope never to meet him.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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| Title: Re: transusbtantiation question |
27 Nov 2006 07:39:04 PM |
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duke wrote:
On 26 Nov 2006 15:24:47 -0800, "Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote:
What is the substance of the Body and Blood of Christ, do you know?
Yes, the substance of his Body and Blood.
Sue your church.
It's insured by God.
So your church doesn't pay for fire, flood, or storm coverage?
Jesus himself said "this is my Body and the cup of my Blood". We Roman
Catholics accept him at his word. Why do you call him a liar?
I'm sure you believe it, but can you show me that you understand it
too?
We as human beings never will be able to understand it.
It's *****.
Tell satan hi for me. I hope never to meet him.
Satan is *****, too.
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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| Title: Re: transusbtantiation question |
25 Nov 2006 10:37:54 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:22:33 -0500, James <bireda@allvantage.com> wrote:
Can human flesh and blood be transubstantiated into crackers and wine?
Hello,
After it is allegedly "transubstantiated", look at their cellular
structure under a strong microscope. If the "crackers and wine" are
changed into red and white blood cells and platelets and bone marrow
etc, then it is a miracle and the transubstantiation is real. If it is
not, then the whole thing is false. (unless the changes are only meant
to occur in the mind of the believers, then it is only a belief with
no evidence to support it)
The substance of bread and wine are changed into the substance of the Body and
Blood of Christ while remaining under the visual, taste, and texture of the
substance of bread and wine.
A bit of pepper jack or English cheddar might go well with that.
Jesus himself said "this is my Body and the cup of my Blood". We Roman
Catholics accept him at his word. Why do you call him a liar?
Jesus a liar, and you're a sucker.
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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| Title: Re: transusbtantiation question |
25 Nov 2006 02:51:54 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:22:33 -0500, James <bireda@allvantage.com> wrote:
Can human flesh and blood be transubstantiated into crackers and wine?
Hello,
After it is allegedly "transubstantiated", look at their cellular
structure under a strong microscope. If the "crackers and wine" are
changed into red and white blood cells and platelets and bone marrow
etc, then it is a miracle and the transubstantiation is real. If it is
not, then the whole thing is false. (unless the changes are only meant
to occur in the mind of the believers, then it is only a belief with
no evidence to support it)
The substance of bread and wine are changed into the substance of the Body and
Blood of Christ while remaining under the visual, taste, and texture of the
substance of bread and wine.
Jesus is the Pillsbury Doughboy?
Jesus himself said "this is my Body and the cup of my Blood". We Roman
Catholics accept him at his word. Why do you call him a liar?
"Rotting zombie" suit you better?
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| User: "Divine Holiness Church 4 Dogs" |
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| Title: Re: transusbtantiation question |
20 Oct 2006 07:20:00 AM |
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Father Haskell wrote:
Can human flesh and blood be transubstantiated into crackers and wine?
I remember reading about DNA tests being done on this once and the
results showed that neither one can be changed into the other.
Surprise-surprise!
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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| Title: Re: transusbtantiation question |
20 Oct 2006 05:28:53 PM |
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Divine Holiness Church 4 Dogs wrote:
Father Haskell wrote:
Can human flesh and blood be transubstantiated into crackers and wine?
I remember reading about DNA tests being done on this once and the
results showed that neither one can be changed into the other.
Surprise-surprise!
What if you ground it up and added it to crackers and wine? I'll
take 90% transubstatiation if I can't get 100.
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| User: "Divine Holiness Church 4 Dogs" |
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| Title: Re: transusbtantiation question |
20 Oct 2006 10:30:02 PM |
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Father Haskell wrote:
Divine Holiness Church 4 Dogs wrote:
Father Haskell wrote:
Can human flesh and blood be transubstantiated into crackers and wine?
I remember reading about DNA tests being done on this once and the results showed >>that neither one can be changed into the other. Surprise-surprise!
What if you ground it up and added it to crackers and wine? I'll
take 90% transubstatiation if I can't get 100.
I may have seen that at the Los Angeles County Fair. They have fried
Twinkies and everything else there.
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