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User: ""
Date: 02 Jan 2007 10:23:55 PM
Object: Travel underneath the Golden Gate Bridge
This is what me and the DD guy that I am working with (as a Independent
Contractor) did yesterday.
http://www.cerm.info/movies/underneath_golden_gate.MOV
This footage is rare and cannot be captured any other way than what we
did.
John
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User: "Mike Painter"

Title: Re: Travel underneath the Golden Gate Bridge 03 Jan 2007 06:15:13 PM
wrote:

This is what me and the DD guy that I am working with (as a
Independent Contractor) did yesterday.

http://www.cerm.info/movies/underneath_golden_gate.MOV

This footage is rare and cannot be captured any other way than what we
did.

while I'm sure that all 69,400 references to pictures of the underside of
theGG bridge don't haave photographs, I'm equally sure that the differenc
would be made up by people who took such pictures while returning from many
places.
Maybe he means that it actually turned out and that is rare.
.

User: "Bible John is a wanker"

Title: Re: Travel underneath the Golden Gate Bridge 08 Jan 2007 09:09:25 AM
wrote:

This is what me and the DD guy that I am working with (as a Independent
Contractor) did yesterday.

And it felt like home.
.

User: "WhoInTheWorldDoYouThinkIAm?"

Title: Re: Travel underneath the Golden Gate Bridge 03 Jan 2007 10:00:35 AM
wrote:

This is what me and the DD guy that I am working with (as a Independent
Contractor) did yesterday.

That's Incredible. A bird!
Riveting stuff, John.
So, the point of sharing this with us was to...
a) Show off your video-directorial skills
b) Show us that you actually got out of the house
c) Showing us that you live near San Francisco as a tease to where your
actual location is
d) Show us that you're working with disabled people again even though
you should be bannded from the industry due to your past history of
neglect
e) Show us that you obviously have no concept of what "DD" is since
those over the age of nine-years old are called LD (learning disabled)
f) Show us that you are "working with" a child age nine or younger (are
you moving into same-sex pedophilia, John? What's your definition of
"working with"?)
Before yesterday I would have voted for D & E, but now I think I'll go
for F.
.
User: "Incitatus"

Title: Re: Travel underneath the Golden Gate Bridge 03 Jan 2007 03:31:27 PM
In article <1167840032.087047.52430@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>,
"WhoInTheWorldDoYouThinkIAm?" <ontheskagit@verizon.net> wrote:

johnw_cerm@yahoo.com wrote:

This is what me and the DD guy that I am working with (as a Independent
Contractor) did yesterday.


That's Incredible. A bird!

Riveting stuff, John.

So, the point of sharing this with us was to...

a) Show off your video-directorial skills
b) Show us that you actually got out of the house
c) Showing us that you live near San Francisco as a tease to where your
actual location is
d) Show us that you're working with disabled people again even though
you should be bannded from the industry due to your past history of
neglect
e) Show us that you obviously have no concept of what "DD" is since
those over the age of nine-years old are called LD (learning disabled)
f) Show us that you are "working with" a child age nine or younger (are
you moving into same-sex pedophilia, John? What's your definition of
"working with"?)

Before yesterday I would have voted for D & E, but now I think I'll go
for F.

SPANKING FOR JESUS
FROM THE CERM webpage
"So here we have a well-known Bible scholar Leland Ryken saying that
proverbs speaks of a literal interpretation of the usage of Rods on
children. Critics of the Bible will always be there, but quite honestly
one has to wonder if any of these critics have actually studied the Bible
in depth, and responded to it using a proper and biblical Hermeneutic.
Opponents of biblical spanking often link spanked children to criminal,
anti-social, aggressive behavior problems that they might have later in
life. While they may have a point, the fact is that there is a huge
distinction between biblical spanking, and abusive spanking. Also they
cannot connect the spanking experiences to the later problems in adult
life. Just because someone has been spanked properly, does not necessarily
mean that the child will grow up as the Lord would want him or her.
Sometimes peer pressure, and other worldly influences are so strong that
the child cannot resist and feeds into them. Or perhaps the child lacks
the Holy Spirit and does not intend to live for God in his or her life.
Just because a child was raised in a Christian home, does not mean they
are saved.
One anti spanking website argues that spanking can cause serious physical
damage.
But they fail to differentiate between those that abuse children, and
those that spank with love. The Bible says
NKJV
Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go,
And when he is old he will not depart from it.
So the verse implies above that spanking a child should not be the only
response to a childıs misbehaving, and should not be something that a
child should experience on a regular daily basis. Obviously this would be
common sense if one were to imply the training up a child in the way he
should go into practice.
Once I knew a gal named Stephanie. She was very beautiful, but had all
kinds of psychological problems. She was twenty years old at the time I
knew her, but had a very abusive mother. Once I remember attending Calvary
Chapel with her, and after the service walked into a bookstore. I was
browsing some books, while Stephanie was chatting with her mother.
Stephanie said something or asked her mother something (donıt remember any
details) which got her mother upset and angry. As a result her mother took
Stephanie aside and gave her a spanking. Her mother made the spanking of
her twenty-year-old daughter a public scene. But sadly none there,
including myself said a word to her mother. Stephanie was in tears, and
obviously left the bookstore. I ran into her a little later after I had
browsed or purchased what I had to buy. I did not mention this to her at
the time, but sometime later while we were together in my car (driving to
the Newsboys concert), she got into some detail with me about her family
abuse. Since I was responsible for driving Stephanie home that day,
Stephanie told me that she would be spanked if she was not on time and
very much pleaded with me to leave the Newsboys concert earlier than the
others in the church college group.
So the anti spanking argument does have some merit, but its problem is
that it overlooks all the spanked children that have grown up to be
successful people in the world.
I remember when I was a child I was properly spanked or whipped. Sadly
many kids today are not being treated with such love and this shows in our
society. Our kids of today do not care about authority, and are so
disobedient to their parents. Parents that do wish to spank their children
are facing an uphill battle against the ACLU and society in general. For
example spanking sticks and whips seem to be hard to find these days.
Many schools no longer spank, and those that do are often chastised. I
know that in California (my home state) spanking in the schools has been
outlawed. In Oregon spanking is not only outlawed in the schools, but has
been outlawed in the home as well! And consequently the children that are
not spanked are often more disobedient to their parents and authority in
general."
.

User: "Incitatus"

Title: Re: Travel underneath the Golden Gate Bridge 03 Jan 2007 03:28:39 PM
In article <1167840032.087047.52430@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>,
"WhoInTheWorldDoYouThinkIAm?" <ontheskagit@verizon.net> wrote:

johnw_cerm@yahoo.com wrote:

This is what me and the DD guy that I am working with (as a Independent
Contractor) did yesterday.


That's Incredible. A bird!

Riveting stuff, John.

So, the point of sharing this with us was to...

a) Show off your video-directorial skills
b) Show us that you actually got out of the house
c) Showing us that you live near San Francisco as a tease to where your
actual location is
d) Show us that you're working with disabled people again even though
you should be bannded from the industry due to your past history of
neglect
e) Show us that you obviously have no concept of what "DD" is since
those over the age of nine-years old are called LD (learning disabled)
f) Show us that you are "working with" a child age nine or younger (are
you moving into same-sex pedophilia, John? What's your definition of
"working with"?)

Before yesterday I would have voted for D & E, but now I think I'll go
for F.

The spanking page on CERM is highly disturbing in this regard
.
User: "Bible Bob"

Title: Re: Travel underneath the Golden Gate Bridge 03 Jan 2007 06:52:20 PM
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 08:28:39 +1100,
(Incitatus) wrote:

In article <1167840032.087047.52430@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>,
"WhoInTheWorldDoYouThinkIAm?" <ontheskagit@verizon.net> wrote:

johnw_cerm@yahoo.com wrote:

This is what me and the DD guy that I am working with (as a Independent
Contractor) did yesterday.


That's Incredible. A bird!

Riveting stuff, John.

So, the point of sharing this with us was to...

a) Show off your video-directorial skills
b) Show us that you actually got out of the house
c) Showing us that you live near San Francisco as a tease to where your
actual location is
d) Show us that you're working with disabled people again even though
you should be bannded from the industry due to your past history of
neglect
e) Show us that you obviously have no concept of what "DD" is since
those over the age of nine-years old are called LD (learning disabled)
f) Show us that you are "working with" a child age nine or younger (are
you moving into same-sex pedophilia, John? What's your definition of
"working with"?)

Before yesterday I would have voted for D & E, but now I think I'll go
for F.


The spanking page on CERM is highly disturbing in this regard

John,
What is it with you? Why don't you be a man and get your worthless
life together? To hell (the grave) with all the excuses. You don't
know your ***** from a hole in the ground about anything you write. You
are no scholar; no evangelist, no pastor, no apostle, no prophet. no
teacher - you ain't even a man; just a sick kid in a man's body.
All this talk about your diaper fetish, your sexual abuse of underage
grils, your homosexual behavior, your vile behavior towards women,
your mistreatment of the learning disabled; child abuse, your lieing,
stealing, etc. and now pedophilia is getting ridiculous. You are
apparently to prideful and too stupid to seek and follow professional
help. Do the world a favor and have yourself locked away for the rest
of your life; or, find someone that is able to help you become a man.
I'd recommend a spiritual man that is able and willing to devote much
time and energy to divorcing you from your demons.
Sometimes you get off when people chew you out for your wrong behavior
and you may do so this time; but the time is coming when the
consequences of your behavior will catch up with you. I don't want to
see your life ruined or ended. I and most people that post here
desire the best for you. But you will never have all you might have
if you continue in your old ways. Put on the mind of Christ before it
is too late. If you don't know how; find someone that does and submit
yourself to that person's ministry.
You are a loser John as you have proven over and over since the day
you first started posting to this group. You know you are a loser.
You will continue to be a loser as long as you think and behave like
one. The only way you can win is through Christ. Nothing can separate
you from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus your Lord; if indeed
He is your Lord. If He is; then do what He says; not what you want to
do to satisfy your lusts.
You may be nuts; but I don't buy mental illness as an excuse for evil
behavior and neither does God because deliverance is available. This
is not the pre-Christ era. Mental illness (or demons) does not have
to rule your life. You do not have to be subject to it if you are
saved because God gave you a sound mind which you refuse to put on.
I have never said what I am about to say to another person. I am
ashamed to call you a brother in Christ. I accept the part of you
that God made holy; but no other part of you. You have repeatedly and
consistenly showed yourself to be a disgrace to the body of Christ.
If I had the office to do so; I would turn you over to Satan for the
distruction of the flesh that the spirit may be saved in the day of
the Lord Jesus (1 Co 5:5) because you are becoming that vile and that
worthless. You may not have had your father's wife but your behavior
has proven to be just as vile.
You are in my prayers.
Bob
......
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
.
User: "Incitatus"

Title: Re: Travel underneath the Golden Gate Bridge 03 Jan 2007 09:51:40 PM
In article <o6iop2ppm6kltqmf4bktppq49bv7p5lihi@4ax.com>,
biblebob@saintly.com wrote:

On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 08:28:39 +1100,

(Incitatus) wrote:

In article <1167840032.087047.52430@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>,
"WhoInTheWorldDoYouThinkIAm?" <ontheskagit@verizon.net> wrote:

johnw_cerm@yahoo.com wrote:

This is what me and the DD guy that I am working with (as a Independent
Contractor) did yesterday.


That's Incredible. A bird!

Riveting stuff, John.

So, the point of sharing this with us was to...

a) Show off your video-directorial skills
b) Show us that you actually got out of the house
c) Showing us that you live near San Francisco as a tease to where your
actual location is
d) Show us that you're working with disabled people again even though
you should be bannded from the industry due to your past history of
neglect
e) Show us that you obviously have no concept of what "DD" is since
those over the age of nine-years old are called LD (learning disabled)
f) Show us that you are "working with" a child age nine or younger (are
you moving into same-sex pedophilia, John? What's your definition of
"working with"?)

Before yesterday I would have voted for D & E, but now I think I'll go
for F.


The spanking page on CERM is highly disturbing in this regard


John,

What is it with you? Why don't you be a man and get your worthless
life together? To hell (the grave) with all the excuses. You don't
know your ***** from a hole in the ground about anything you write. You
are no scholar; no evangelist, no pastor, no apostle, no prophet. no
teacher - you ain't even a man; just a sick kid in a man's body.

All this talk about your diaper fetish, your sexual abuse of underage
grils, your homosexual behavior, your vile behavior towards women,
your mistreatment of the learning disabled; child abuse, your lieing,
stealing, etc. and now pedophilia is getting ridiculous. You are
apparently to prideful and too stupid to seek and follow professional
help. Do the world a favor and have yourself locked away for the rest
of your life; or, find someone that is able to help you become a man.
I'd recommend a spiritual man that is able and willing to devote much
time and energy to divorcing you from your demons.

Sometimes you get off when people chew you out for your wrong behavior
and you may do so this time; but the time is coming when the
consequences of your behavior will catch up with you. I don't want to
see your life ruined or ended. I and most people that post here
desire the best for you. But you will never have all you might have
if you continue in your old ways. Put on the mind of Christ before it
is too late. If you don't know how; find someone that does and submit
yourself to that person's ministry.

You are a loser John as you have proven over and over since the day
you first started posting to this group. You know you are a loser.
You will continue to be a loser as long as you think and behave like
one. The only way you can win is through Christ. Nothing can separate
you from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus your Lord; if indeed
He is your Lord. If He is; then do what He says; not what you want to
do to satisfy your lusts.

You may be nuts; but I don't buy mental illness as an excuse for evil
behavior and neither does God because deliverance is available. This
is not the pre-Christ era. Mental illness (or demons) does not have
to rule your life. You do not have to be subject to it if you are
saved because God gave you a sound mind which you refuse to put on.

I have never said what I am about to say to another person. I am
ashamed to call you a brother in Christ. I accept the part of you
that God made holy; but no other part of you. You have repeatedly and
consistenly showed yourself to be a disgrace to the body of Christ.

If I had the office to do so; I would turn you over to Satan for the
distruction of the flesh that the spirit may be saved in the day of
the Lord Jesus (1 Co 5:5) because you are becoming that vile and that
worthless. You may not have had your father's wife but your behavior
has proven to be just as vile.

You are in my prayers.

Bob

Bob - from a different angle entirely I agree with so much of what you say here
John tries to display opposition to himself as some kind of hatred of
Jesus or of God - it is not
It is frustration and irritation at the way in which an out and out nutter
will use the cloak of Christianity to excuse outrageous behaviour and the
way in which Christians will protect his outbursts because he has "claimed
the name of Jesus"
The antichrist would do just that - so the Bible says would what it calls
"demons" or "devils" - the claim of "Christianity" is not evidence of the
reality
I do not share your particular version of the faith - but I appreciate
your courage and the courage of others from the Christian fold in
standing up to this internet pestilence. It is no more and no less than
what I expect from Christians.
There is a great deal masquerading as Christianity that needs to be
brought to a close. I believe this requires nothing less than a radical
reformation. From a different standpoint I entirely support Bishop Spong
in this
When such a theological reformation is underway we can all sit down and
talk about this - the worlds faiths and ideologies have a great deal in
common with each other. I believe that stems from our humanity and our
desire to develop that humanity
And I firmly believe that whatever God is he is best revealed in that
human path towards reconciliation - but in common with Don Marquises
little cockroach "archy" I also believe that there is much truth in the
following:
boss i believe
that the
millenium will
get here some day
but i could
compile quite a list
of persons
who will have
to go
first
archy
and - in addition
boss please let me
be highbrow for
a minute i
have just been eating
my way through some of
the books on your desk
and i have digested two of them
and it occurs to me
that antonius the emperor
and epictetus the slave
arrived at the same
philosophy of life
that there is neither mastery
nor slavery
except as it exists
in the attitude of the soul
toward the world
thank you for listening
to a poor little
cockroach
archy
.
User: "Bible Bob"

Title: Re: Travel underneath the Golden Gate Bridge 04 Jan 2007 06:01:06 PM
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 14:51:40 +1100,
(Incitatus) wrote:

In article <o6iop2ppm6kltqmf4bktppq49bv7p5lihi@4ax.com>,
biblebob@saintly.com wrote:

On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 08:28:39 +1100,

(Incitatus) wrote:

In article <1167840032.087047.52430@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>,
"WhoInTheWorldDoYouThinkIAm?" <ontheskagit@verizon.net> wrote:

johnw_cerm@yahoo.com wrote:

This is what me and the DD guy that I am working with (as a Independent
Contractor) did yesterday.


That's Incredible. A bird!

Riveting stuff, John.

So, the point of sharing this with us was to...

a) Show off your video-directorial skills
b) Show us that you actually got out of the house
c) Showing us that you live near San Francisco as a tease to where your
actual location is
d) Show us that you're working with disabled people again even though
you should be bannded from the industry due to your past history of
neglect
e) Show us that you obviously have no concept of what "DD" is since
those over the age of nine-years old are called LD (learning disabled)
f) Show us that you are "working with" a child age nine or younger (are
you moving into same-sex pedophilia, John? What's your definition of
"working with"?)

Before yesterday I would have voted for D & E, but now I think I'll go
for F.


The spanking page on CERM is highly disturbing in this regard


John,

What is it with you? Why don't you be a man and get your worthless
life together? To hell (the grave) with all the excuses. You don't
know your ***** from a hole in the ground about anything you write. You
are no scholar; no evangelist, no pastor, no apostle, no prophet. no
teacher - you ain't even a man; just a sick kid in a man's body.

All this talk about your diaper fetish, your sexual abuse of underage
grils, your homosexual behavior, your vile behavior towards women,
your mistreatment of the learning disabled; child abuse, your lieing,
stealing, etc. and now pedophilia is getting ridiculous. You are
apparently to prideful and too stupid to seek and follow professional
help. Do the world a favor and have yourself locked away for the rest
of your life; or, find someone that is able to help you become a man.
I'd recommend a spiritual man that is able and willing to devote much
time and energy to divorcing you from your demons.

Sometimes you get off when people chew you out for your wrong behavior
and you may do so this time; but the time is coming when the
consequences of your behavior will catch up with you. I don't want to
see your life ruined or ended. I and most people that post here
desire the best for you. But you will never have all you might have
if you continue in your old ways. Put on the mind of Christ before it
is too late. If you don't know how; find someone that does and submit
yourself to that person's ministry.

You are a loser John as you have proven over and over since the day
you first started posting to this group. You know you are a loser.
You will continue to be a loser as long as you think and behave like
one. The only way you can win is through Christ. Nothing can separate
you from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus your Lord; if indeed
He is your Lord. If He is; then do what He says; not what you want to
do to satisfy your lusts.

You may be nuts; but I don't buy mental illness as an excuse for evil
behavior and neither does God because deliverance is available. This
is not the pre-Christ era. Mental illness (or demons) does not have
to rule your life. You do not have to be subject to it if you are
saved because God gave you a sound mind which you refuse to put on.

I have never said what I am about to say to another person. I am
ashamed to call you a brother in Christ. I accept the part of you
that God made holy; but no other part of you. You have repeatedly and
consistenly showed yourself to be a disgrace to the body of Christ.

If I had the office to do so; I would turn you over to Satan for the
distruction of the flesh that the spirit may be saved in the day of
the Lord Jesus (1 Co 5:5) because you are becoming that vile and that
worthless. You may not have had your father's wife but your behavior
has proven to be just as vile.

You are in my prayers.

Bob


Bob - from a different angle entirely I agree with so much of what you say here

John tries to display opposition to himself as some kind of hatred of
Jesus or of God - it is not

It is frustration and irritation at the way in which an out and out nutter
will use the cloak of Christianity to excuse outrageous behaviour and the
way in which Christians will protect his outbursts because he has "claimed
the name of Jesus"

The antichrist would do just that - so the Bible says would what it calls
"demons" or "devils" - the claim of "Christianity" is not evidence of the
reality

Well, he is antichrist. He works against Christ, against the body of
Christ, against God and against himself. He is a false teacher and
knows full well that what he calls teaching is false doctrine
published more to annoy people than to help people.


I do not share your particular version of the faith - but I appreciate
your courage and the courage of others from the Christian fold in
standing up to this internet pestilence. It is no more and no less than
what I expect from Christians.

There is a great deal masquerading as Christianity that needs to be
brought to a close. I believe this requires nothing less than a radical
reformation. From a different standpoint I entirely support Bishop Spong
in this

I don't know who Bishop Spong is. There is a need for something more
genuine than a reformation which in practice is nothing more than will
worship and pretense; or, genuine repentance in the case of the honest
ones. Every child of God is a new creation in Christ Jesus. There is
no need for a reformation. There is a need for the children of God to
followers of God as dear children. Of course that requires an
accurate understanding of the nature of God. God ain't fake and His
people shouldn't be fake. God is honest and His people should be
honest. I like real and genuine honest people regardless of their
"faith" or "non-faith." I do not like phonies such as John who
pretend to be what they are not.


When such a theological reformation is underway we can all sit down and
talk about this - the worlds faiths and ideologies have a great deal in
common with each other. I believe that stems from our humanity and our
desire to develop that humanity

And I firmly believe that whatever God is he is best revealed in that
human path towards reconciliation - but in common with Don Marquises
little cockroach "archy" I also believe that there is much truth in the
following:

boss i believe
that the
millenium will
get here some day
but i could
compile quite a list
of persons
who will have
to go
first
archy


and - in addition

boss please let me
be highbrow for
a minute i
have just been eating
my way through some of
the books on your desk
and i have digested two of them
and it occurs to me
that antonius the emperor
and epictetus the slave
arrived at the same
philosophy of life
that there is neither mastery
nor slavery
except as it exists
in the attitude of the soul
toward the world
thank you for listening
to a poor little
cockroach
archy

......
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
.





User: "Incitatus"

Title: Re: Travel underneath the Golden Gate Bridge 03 Jan 2007 01:17:42 AM
In article <1167798235.807815.143880@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
johnw_cerm@yahoo.com wrote:

This is what me and the DD guy that I am working with (as a Independent
Contractor) did yesterday.

http://www.cerm.info/movies/underneath_golden_gate.MOV

This footage is rare and cannot be captured any other way than what we
did.


John

Does "DD" mean "Drop Dead" Gorgeous
In which case have you come out of a closet we didn't know you were in?
Oh well one way to cure your Homophobia although I am a little perturbed
as to what "Independent Contractor" is slang for
.
User: "Incitatus"

Title: Re: Travel underneath the Golden Gate Bridge 03 Jan 2007 01:45:48 AM
And this one from the same source
"The doctors I worked with were at the Cornell School of Medicine in New
York City and the work was in papers not in books. There is a general
reluctance among medical scientists to say what causes sexual orientation,
either hetero or homo. There appears to be no reluctance to say that it is
not something people choose, it is a reality to which they awaken.
There seems to be some physical link though it does not appear to follow
any genetic rules. Yet when I address a large group of say 1000 gay and
lesbian people, I know by sight that there is a higher instance of
physiological differences among the members of this group that would not
be as readily visible in a group of 1000 heterosexual people.
However, no one can judge an individual's sexual orientation on the basis
of visual data because stereotypes do not hold. Masculine appearing women
and effeminate appearing men can be quite heterosexual; and feminine,
delicate women and athletic, muscular men can be homosexual. I know no
medical scientist who thinks sexual orientation is a volitional decision.
If that cannot be demonstrated, the whole argument against gay people
falls apart. I find it interesting that most heterosexual people cannot
remember when they chose to be heterosexual. That is because they did not
choose, they awakened to their identity.
Yet in a rather irrational fashion they still think that homosexual people
choose to be homosexual. When we talk of "sexual preference," we assume
the prejudice that is so deep in our culture.
When seeking explanations, the Cornell doctor who guided my study talked
not of a genetic connection but of a neuro-chemical connection. They
believed it was somehow linked to the amount of testosterone present in
the mother's bloodstream at the moment the brain of the fetus was sexed
with its identity, both of which are quite random. They dismissed out of
hand environmental influences and considered that argument to be patently
ignorant".
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User: "Incitatus"

Title: Re: Travel underneath the Golden Gate Bridge 03 Jan 2007 01:41:39 AM
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Does "DD" mean "Drop Dead" Gorgeous

In which case have you come out of a closet we didn't know you were in?

Oh well one way to cure your Homophobia although I am a little perturbed
as to what "Independent Contractor" is slang for

This might help support you in any new life you might have chosen
Quote
"I waste little time engaging in arguments about homosexuality. That
enterprise is generally nothing more than an ill-informed emotional
debate. My recommendation to you is that you say, "I simply do not agree
with you and I see nothing further to be gained by future conversation on
this subject." If your friend is not willing to observe that boundary then
your only choice is to move out of that friendship.
For the record, the fundamentalist Christian position assumes that sexual
orientation is a choice. There is not a shred of evidence to support that.
You do not go to God to determine truth. You go to the commonly accepted
knowledge that is available to you in the fields of science and medicine.
My bet is that by "going to God," she means consulting the Bible, which
was quoted to condemn Galileo and Darwin and to support slavery and a
second-class citizenship for women. That is not a very impressive set of
credentials. If we followed the Bible, we would put all homosexuals to
death (see Lev. 20).
If you told her your son is gay, she would assume that he chose this way
of life or that you were the cause of his 'deviation' by being an
inadequate parent. Either way you lose.
My advice is to love your friend. Be kind and sensitive but on this issue
simply tell her you do not wish to discuss it further since your two
understandings are mutually exclusive."
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User: "Incitatus"

Title: Re: Travel underneath the Golden Gate Bridge 03 Jan 2007 01:44:23 AM
In article <Senate-0301071817570001@192.168.0.3>,

(Incitatus) wrote:

In article <1167798235.807815.143880@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
johnw_cerm@yahoo.com wrote:

This is what me and the DD guy that I am working with (as a Independent
Contractor) did yesterday.

http://www.cerm.info/movies/underneath_golden_gate.MOV

This footage is rare and cannot be captured any other way than what we
did.


John


Does "DD" mean "Drop Dead" Gorgeous

In which case have you come out of a closet we didn't know you were in?

Oh well one way to cure your Homophobia although I am a little perturbed
as to what "Independent Contractor" is slang for

This might help you too
It comes from an ordained Bishop
"I do not tell people that no one is born gay because that is not so.
Perhaps you have not had a chance to study all the data from medical and
scientific circles over the last 50-100 years. The blood of Christ to my
knowledge has never been sufficient to change skin color, left-handedness,
gender or sexual orientation"
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