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03 Dec 2004 11:12:21 PM |
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True Christian group ? |
Can one group be a true christian and believe in a wrong doctrine?
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| User: "Pastor Winter JNAHC" |
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04 Dec 2004 01:12:46 AM |
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"Streamer" <Stream_Haze@yahoo.com> spake thusly and wrote:
Can one group be a true christian and believe in a wrong doctrine?
Might as well be practicing witchcraft.
Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which
are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath,
strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of
the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time
past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the
kingdom of God.
Of course the false-christians will try to tell you it doesn't
matter but hey, that's why they are false-christians, eh?
Pastor Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: True Christian group ? |
05 Dec 2004 05:34:51 PM |
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Hello Pustor Winter JAH (Just Another Heathen)
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
"Streamer" <Stream_Haze@yahoo.com> spake thusly and wrote:
<snip>
Of course the false-christians will try to tell you it doesn't
matter but hey, that's why they are false-christians, eh?
Still calling yourself "pastor" even though you are not ordained in
any denomination, do not meet the qualifications, and are generally a
nasty, hateful, satanic person?
Still calling the Christians names?
in the Name of Jesus,
Christian
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| User: "Jim" |
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| Title: Re: True Christian group ? |
04 Dec 2004 10:19:28 AM |
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"Streamer" <Stream_Haze@yahoo.com> wrote
Can one group be a true christian and believe in a wrong doctrine?
Absolutely, Streamer.
Every Christian group has some doctrine (teaching) that is off-center to
some extent. None of us have it all.
The church, as a whole (that is, every born-again believer throughout the
entire world), has a lot of the whole picture, but our refusal to accept
each other and work with each other keeps us from sharing much together. So
we end up with many little extremes, instead of a more balanced whole. But
God's grace keeps us.
Of course, it also matters which doctrine is false or twisted.
There are doctrines which really matter a lot, and other teachings which are
not so central to the main truth of God. For example, we must all believe
that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who came to die for our sins. We must
believe that He is able to save us. But other teachings, such as, "should
men wear ties?" or "can I drink coffee with my breakfast?" are not very
central to anything spiritual.
Stick with the Bible and do not place too much confidence in human beings.
Learn to love and accept all your brothers and sisters in Christ, but do not
follow after any of them. Rather, follow Jesus. He's the only one who can
lead us all the way home.
Jim
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| User: "Streamer" |
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08 Dec 2004 03:49:28 PM |
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"Jim" <jim@goodwordusa.org> wrote in message
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"Streamer" <Stream_Haze@yahoo.com> wrote
Can one group be a true christian and believe in a wrong doctrine?
Absolutely, Streamer.
Every Christian group has some doctrine (teaching) that is off-center to
some extent. None of us have it all.
The church, as a whole (that is, every born-again believer throughout the
entire world), has a lot of the whole picture, but our refusal to accept
each other and work with each other keeps us from sharing much together.
So we end up with many little extremes, instead of a more balanced whole.
But God's grace keeps us.
Of course, it also matters which doctrine is false or twisted.
There are doctrines which really matter a lot, and other teachings which
are not so central to the main truth of God. For example, we must all
believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who came to die for our sins.
We must believe that He is able to save us. But other teachings, such as,
"should men wear ties?" or "can I drink coffee with my breakfast?" are not
very central to anything spiritual.
Stick with the Bible and do not place too much confidence in human beings.
Learn to love and accept all your brothers and sisters in Christ, but do
not follow after any of them. Rather, follow Jesus. He's the only one
who can lead us all the way home.
Jim
That answers why the Apostles sometimes rebuke the churches & some of their
teachings or beliefts.
And thank you for clearing up the basic teachings that all Christians should
have.
God Bless...
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| User: "Mark T" |
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04 Dec 2004 06:00:05 PM |
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"Jim" wrote:
There are doctrines which really matter a lot, and other teachings which
are not so central to the main truth of God. For example, we must all
believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who came to die for our sins.
We must believe that He is able to save us.
These are not central to Christianity according to Jesus the Christ. I
quote:
Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all
your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest
commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'
All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." Matthew
22:37-40
One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that
Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments,
which is the most important?" "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is
this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your
God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and
with all your strength.' (Mark 12:28-30)
And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, "Teacher, what
shall I do to inherit eternal life?"
He said to him, "What is written in the law? How do you read?" And he
answered, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with
all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your
neighbor as yourself." And he said to him, "You have answered right; do
this, and you will live." (Luke 10:25-28)
These are repeated THREE TIMES. They are in each of the synoptic gospels.
The commandments do not mention anything about the finite human Jesus of
Nazareth ...or about being born again ... or about the Bible.
Stick with the Bible and do not place too much confidence in human beings.
"Trust Yourself" - Bob Dylan (A Christian)
Trust yourself,
Trust yourself to do the things that only you know best.
Trust yourself,
Trust yourself to do what's right and not be second-guessed.
Don't trust me to show you beauty
When beauty may only turn to rust.
If you need somebody you can trust, trust yourself.
Trust yourself,
Trust yourself to know the way that will prove true in the end.
Trust yourself,
Trust yourself to find the path where there is no if and when.
Don't trust me to show you the truth
When the truth may only be ashes and dust.
If you want somebody you can trust, trust yourself.
Well, you're on your own, you always were,
In a land of wolves and thieves.
Don't put your hope in ungodly man
Or be a slave to what somebody else believes.
Trust yourself
And you won't be disappointed when vain people let you down.
Trust yourself
And look not for answers where no answers can be found.
Don't trust me to show you love
When my love may be only lust.
If you want somebody you can trust, trust yourself.
Copyright © 1985 Special Rider Music
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| User: "meaty flaps" |
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04 Dec 2004 08:48:10 AM |
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"Streamer" <Stream_Haze@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Can one group be a true christian and believe in a wrong doctrine?
Sure!
Just one look at any random red-state adherent to
the Republican Party should convince you of that.
: )
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| User: "icono" |
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04 Dec 2004 07:32:11 PM |
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"Streamer" <Stream_Haze@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Can one group be a true christian and believe in a wrong doctrine?
Group?
Doctrine?
Christian?
"can one GROUP be A Christian" ?????
Definition
Ah! well what would a troll post?
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| User: "JCB" |
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05 Dec 2004 06:37:37 PM |
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"icono" <icono@cox.net> wrote in message
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Can one group be a true christian and believe in a wrong doctrine?
Group?
Doctrine?
Christian?
"can one GROUP be A Christian" ?????
Wonderful! I didn't even think of it that way. Oops to me.
God Bless,
JCB
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| User: "Streamer" |
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08 Dec 2004 03:55:08 PM |
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"JCB" <jcb2354@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Can one group be a true christian and believe in a wrong doctrine?
Group?
Doctrine?
Christian?
"can one GROUP be A Christian" ?????
Wonderful! I didn't even think of it that way. Oops to me.
Let me clear it up for you...
Can one group(denominations, so called christian groups, etc.) be a true
christian group(majority as true Christian members) and still believe in
some wrong doctrine?
Clear enough ? Much longer though...
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| User: "JCB" |
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08 Dec 2004 06:39:33 PM |
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"Streamer" <Stream_Haze@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Can one group be a true christian and believe in a wrong doctrine?
Group?
Doctrine?
Christian?
"can one GROUP be A Christian" ?????
Wonderful! I didn't even think of it that way. Oops to me.
Let me clear it up for you...
Can one group(denominations, so called christian groups, etc.) be a true
christian group(majority as true Christian members) and still believe in
some wrong doctrine?
Clear enough ? Much longer though...
Although I did understand the original question, the point icono raised was
valid, Christianity is really an individual aspect. The Church is all those
who are followers of Christ.
Now, to the original question. Of course. Doctrine is basically a set of
beliefs, and I don't know that ANYONE has a perfect doctrine. The basics do
have to be there though (IMO)
1. Jesus was God (those who don't believe that may be following an idea,
concept or even nice person, but to see him as God gives him the authority
to do and say what he did)
2. To strive to accept, more and more, the infinite gifts God offers us
through his son. (eternal life, his spirit, and other graces too numerous to
mention)
3. To seek to live life like Jesus would if he were in our shoes.
This can come in many forms, and allows numerous places for mistakes, but
the essence is still there, to be a disciple (follower) of Jesus.
God Bless,
JCB
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| User: "Streamer" |
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08 Dec 2004 10:52:30 PM |
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"JCB" <jcb2354@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Can one group be a true christian and believe in a wrong doctrine?
....
Although I did understand the original question, the point icono raised
was valid, Christianity is really an individual aspect. The Church is all
those who are followers of Christ.
That's true indeed.
Now, to the original question. Of course. Doctrine is basically a set of
beliefs, and I don't know that ANYONE has a perfect doctrine. The basics
do have to be there though (IMO)
1. Jesus was God (those who don't believe that may be following an idea,
concept or even nice person, but to see him as God gives him the authority
to do and say what he did)
2. To strive to accept, more and more, the infinite gifts God offers us
through his son. (eternal life, his spirit, and other graces too numerous
to mention)
3. To seek to live life like Jesus would if he were in our shoes.
This can come in many forms, and allows numerous places for mistakes, but
the essence is still there, to be a disciple (follower) of Jesus.
Thank you for your clear & straight forward answer.
I just have one question. I'm not sure if I understand it the way you meant;
* How do we "strive" to accept the eternal life ?
* As I know, Jesus is giving us eternal life. We just have to accept that
gift and we don't have to strive.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
God Bless...
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| User: "JCB" |
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08 Dec 2004 11:00:13 PM |
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"Streamer" <Stream_Haze@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"JCB" <jcb2354@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Streamer" <Stream_Haze@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Can one group be a true christian and believe in a wrong doctrine?
...
Although I did understand the original question, the point icono raised
was valid, Christianity is really an individual aspect. The Church is
all those who are followers of Christ.
That's true indeed.
Now, to the original question. Of course. Doctrine is basically a set of
beliefs, and I don't know that ANYONE has a perfect doctrine. The basics
do have to be there though (IMO)
1. Jesus was God (those who don't believe that may be following an idea,
concept or even nice person, but to see him as God gives him the
authority to do and say what he did)
2. To strive to accept, more and more, the infinite gifts God offers us
through his son. (eternal life, his spirit, and other graces too numerous
to mention)
3. To seek to live life like Jesus would if he were in our shoes.
This can come in many forms, and allows numerous places for mistakes, but
the essence is still there, to be a disciple (follower) of Jesus.
Thank you for your clear & straight forward answer.
I just have one question. I'm not sure if I understand it the way you
meant;
* How do we "strive" to accept the eternal life ?
* As I know, Jesus is giving us eternal life. We just have to accept that
gift and we don't have to strive.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Yes, the 'strive' was in connection to becoming able to accept all of his
graces (gifts). Eternal life is only one of the many he has for us.
JCB
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| User: "icono" |
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11 Dec 2004 08:15:07 PM |
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"JCB" <jcb2354@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Streamer" <Stream_Haze@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Can one group be a true christian and believe in a wrong doctrine?
...
Although I did understand the original question, the point icono raised
was valid, Christianity is really an individual aspect. The Church is
all those who are followers of Christ.
That's true indeed.
Now, to the original question. Of course. Doctrine is basically a set
of beliefs, and I don't know that ANYONE has a perfect doctrine. The
basics do have to be there though (IMO)
1. Jesus was God (those who don't believe that may be following an idea,
concept or even nice person, but to see him as God gives him the
authority to do and say what he did)
2. To strive to accept, more and more, the infinite gifts God offers us
through his son. (eternal life, his spirit, and other graces too
numerous to mention)
3. To seek to live life like Jesus would if he were in our shoes.
This can come in many forms, and allows numerous places for mistakes,
but the essence is still there, to be a disciple (follower) of Jesus.
Thank you for your clear & straight forward answer.
I just have one question. I'm not sure if I understand it the way you
meant;
* How do we "strive" to accept the eternal life ?
* As I know, Jesus is giving us eternal life. We just have to accept that
gift and we don't have to strive.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Yes, the 'strive' was in connection to becoming able to accept all of his
graces (gifts). Eternal life is only one of the many he has for us.
JCB
"strive" be "worthy", which we never are, none of us.
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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11 Feb 2005 11:08:20 PM |
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Your number 3, as the word "Christian" means *Christ-like* is the *only*
difination needed.
BTW a rather large portion of they who call themselves Christians do not
accept as Biblical, or as a teaching of Christ Himself, the idea that Jesus
(who did declare Himself to be God's Son) is God, as He even declared that
God is greater than Himself, and knows things which He didn't know.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
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Can one group be a true christian and believe in a wrong doctrine?
Group?
Doctrine?
Christian?
"can one GROUP be A Christian" ?????
Wonderful! I didn't even think of it that way. Oops to me.
Let me clear it up for you...
Can one group(denominations, so called christian groups, etc.) be a true
christian group(majority as true Christian members) and still believe in
some wrong doctrine?
Clear enough ? Much longer though...
Although I did understand the original question, the point icono raised
was valid, Christianity is really an individual aspect. The Church is all
those who are followers of Christ.
Now, to the original question. Of course. Doctrine is basically a set of
beliefs, and I don't know that ANYONE has a perfect doctrine. The basics
do have to be there though (IMO)
1. Jesus was God (those who don't believe that may be following an idea,
concept or even nice person, but to see him as God gives him the authority
to do and say what he did)
2. To strive to accept, more and more, the infinite gifts God offers us
through his son. (eternal life, his spirit, and other graces too numerous
to mention)
3. To seek to live life like Jesus would if he were in our shoes.
This can come in many forms, and allows numerous places for mistakes, but
the essence is still there, to be a disciple (follower) of Jesus.
God Bless,
JCB
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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30 Dec 2004 04:03:41 PM |
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"Streamer" <Stream_Haze@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Can one group be a true christian and believe in a wrong doctrine?
Christian = Christ-like
If said group is trying to live by Christ's example &/or teachings to the
best of *their* understanding, they are "true Christians" TM; All Christians
*believe in a "wrong doctrine"* As there will always they who think so.
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| User: "Rowland Croucher" |
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04 Dec 2004 05:10:36 AM |
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"Streamer" <Stream_Haze@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Can one group be a true christian and believe in a wrong doctrine?
In the sense that no one is perfect (and those who think they are, are
betraying the distance between where they are and perfection :-), the answer
of course happens to be 'Yes.'
No human is God, with perfect knowledge of everything, though some here
enjoy playing Christianity as if they were God :-)
Do you have a particular 'wrong doctrine' in mind?
--
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Shalom! Rowland Croucher
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http://jmm.aaa.net.au/ *
(13900 articles, 3000 clean jokes/stories, 1m. hits/ November 2004)
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| User: "Streamer" |
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08 Dec 2004 04:04:49 PM |
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"Rowland Croucher" <rccroucher@removethispleaseoptusnet.com.au> wrote in
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"Streamer" <Stream_Haze@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Can one group be a true christian and believe in a wrong doctrine?
In the sense that no one is perfect (and those who think they are, are
betraying the distance between where they are and perfection :-), the
answer of course happens to be 'Yes.'
No human is God, with perfect knowledge of everything, though some here
enjoy playing Christianity as if they were God :-)
That makes a lot of sense & biblical too.
Do you have a particular 'wrong doctrine' in mind?
I just notice that some Christian groups or organizations conflicts on some
doctrines (like being solem, or the way they conduct services, or women as
preachers) but still embraces themselves as brothers & sisters in Christ.
I think people must know the basic teachings that should be in all
Christians. And without this basic teachings, one cannot be a true
Christian.
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| User: "::: vera :::" |
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04 Dec 2004 07:15:36 AM |
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In news:41b19b29$0$22705$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au,
Rowland Croucher <rccroucher@removethispleaseoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
No human is God,
Wrong.
Jesus Christ was a human, and He is God.
::: vera :::
--
::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de :::
::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm :::
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| User: "icono" |
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04 Dec 2004 07:33:00 PM |
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"::: vera :::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
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In news:41b19b29$0$22705$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au,
Rowland Croucher <rccroucher@removethispleaseoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
No human is God,
Wrong.
Jesus Christ was a human, and He is God.
Note:
Was
Is
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| User: "::: vera :::" |
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05 Dec 2004 02:53:00 PM |
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In news:5ztsd.124303$SW3.13789@fed1read01,
icono <icono@cox.net> wrote:
"::: vera :::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:31drvkF3a5ci5U1@individual.net...
In news:41b19b29$0$22705$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au,
Rowland Croucher <rccroucher@removethispleaseoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
No human is God,
Wrong.
Jesus Christ was a human, and He is God.
Note:
Was
Is
I was perfectly aware of that. God is alive!
God bless you,
::: vera :::
--
::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de :::
::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm :::
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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| Title: Re: True Christian group ? |
07 Jan 2005 04:28:39 PM |
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"::: vera :::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
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In news:41b19b29$0$22705$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au,
Rowland Croucher <rccroucher@removethispleaseoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
No human is God,
Wrong.
Jesus Christ was a human, and He is God.
John 17
::: vera :::
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
--
::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de :::
::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm :::
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| User: "Mark T" |
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| Title: Re: True Christian group ? |
04 Dec 2004 05:50:37 PM |
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"::: vera :::" wrote:
No human is God,
Wrong.
Jesus Christ was a human, and He is God.
God is greater than the human Jesus of Nazareth. God is a spirit. Jesus is
a man.
Jn. 8:40 "But now ye seek to kill ME (JESUS), a MAN that hath told you the
truth, which I (JESUS) have heard of GOD."
Jn.14:28 "My FATHER is GREATER than I."
Acts 17:31 "Because he (GOD) hath appointed a day, in the which he (GOD)
will judge the world in righteousness by that MAN (Jesus) whom he (GOD) hath
ordained; whereof he (GOD) hath given assurance unto all men, in that he
(GOD) hath raised him (JESUS) from the dead."
1 Cor.11:3 "The HEAD of CHRIST is GOD."
Col.3:1 "CHRIST sitteth on the right hand of GOD."
1 Tim.2:5 "For there is ONE GOD, and ONE MEDIATOR between GOD and men, THE
MAN CHRIST JESUS."
These do NOT say that Jesus of Nazareth is the same as God!!!!!
These do NOT say:
Jn. 8:40 "But now ye seek to kill ME (GOD), GOD that hath told you the
truth, which I have heard of GOD."
Jn.14:28 "My FATHER (GOD) is ME (JESUS)."
Acts 17:31 "Because I (JESUS AS GOD) hath appointed a day, in the which I
(JESUS AS GOD) will judge the world in righteousness by ME (JESUS AS GOD)
whom I (JESUS AS GOD) hath ordained; whereof I (JESUS AS GOD) hath given
assurance unto all men, in that I (JESUS AS GOD) hath raised MYSELF (JESUS)
from the dead."
1 Cor.11:3 "The HEAD of GOD is GOD."
Col.3:1 "GOD sitteth on the right hand of GOD."
1 Tim.2:5 "For there is ONE GOD, and ONE GOD between GOD and men, GOD CHRIST
JESUS."
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My Testimony at
http://www.alt-christianlife.com/testimonials/mark_tindall.htm
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'As rare as a Fundamentalist who loves his enemy.
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.... quoting from James Barr's book "Fundamentalism" on the three
distinguishing features of the Fundamentalist '... an assurance that those
who do not share their religious viewpoint are not really true Christians at
all.' - Peter Cameron "Heretic" (Doubleday; Sydney: 1994) p. 178
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05 Dec 2004 06:57:13 PM |
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On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 00:12:21 -0500, "Streamer" <Stream_Haze@yahoo.com>
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copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
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Can one group be a true christian and believe in a wrong doctrine?
Depends on the "wrong doctrine."
And one must distinguish between "theology", "doctrine", and "dogma."
People confuse dogma with theology. "Dogma" generally refers to
non-essential teaching, like what day to worship, what version of the
Bible to use, what hymns to sing.
Whether to speak in tongues is an issue some call dogma or doctrine,
when in fact, "tongues" is an issue of theology, as it boils right
down to "who God is."
Doctrine is more essential teaching, is the Bible infallible? Is the
Bible the final authority/with the Holy Spirit's teaching?
Theology is of matters relating to whom God is. God is infallible is
theology.
So specifically WHAT is the issue you are raising?
jw
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08 Dec 2004 04:12:30 PM |
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"j w @yahoo.com>" <j_w<no> wrote in message
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On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 00:12:21 -0500, "Streamer" <Stream_Haze@yahoo.com>
wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
Can one group be a true christian and believe in a wrong doctrine?
Depends on the "wrong doctrine."
And one must distinguish between "theology", "doctrine", and "dogma."
People confuse dogma with theology. "Dogma" generally refers to
non-essential teaching, like what day to worship, what version of the
Bible to use, what hymns to sing.
Whether to speak in tongues is an issue some call dogma or doctrine,
when in fact, "tongues" is an issue of theology, as it boils right
down to "who God is."
Doctrine is more essential teaching, is the Bible infallible? Is the
Bible the final authority/with the Holy Spirit's teaching?
Theology is of matters relating to whom God is. God is infallible is
theology.
So specifically WHAT is the issue you are raising?
I believe that preachers do mistakes too. The Apostles rebuked other
Christian churches, but still remain brothers in Christ.
The issue is, what are the basic teachings that one SHOULD have, otherwise
cannot be called a true believer?
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