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Topic: Religions > Bible
User: "martus"
Date: 27 Dec 2004 01:12:29 AM
Object: Tsunami leaves 12,600 dead
Tsunami leaves 12,600 dead
16:49 AEDT Mon Dec 27 2004
Soldiers searched for bodies in treetops, families wept over the dead
lined up on beaches and rescuers scoured coral isles for missing
tourists as Asia counted the cost of tsunami waves that killed at
least 12,600.
Worst hit were Sri Lanka, Indonesia, India and Thailand.
No Australians were reported dead. But six were listed as missing -
three in Thailand, two in Indonesia and one in Sri Lanka.
An international aid efforts was being mounted as thousands of people
fled the catastrophe, among the evacuees were thousands of Australian
tourists.
The death toll is expected to rise.
Australia pledged an initial aid donation of $A10 million.



Idyllic palm-fringed beaches across southern Asia were transformed
into scenes of death and devastation by the waves unleashed by the
world's biggest earthquake in 40 years that struck off the Indonesian
island of Sumatra.
One seismologist likened the power of the massive 9 quake to a million
atomic bombs the size of those dropped on Japan in World War II, and
said the shaking had been so powerful it even disturbed the Earth's
rotation.
Waves were monitored in waters off eastern Africa and even on the
coast of Western Australia.
There was no warning as much of the Indian Ocean is not covered by an
international tsunami alert system.
"Death came from the sea," said Satya Kumari, a construction worker
living on the outskirts of the former French enclave of Pondicherry,
India. "The waves just kept chasing us. It swept away all our huts.
What did we do to deserve this?"
The wall of water up to 10 metres tall flattened houses, hurled
fishing boats onto coastal roads, sent cars spinning through swirling
waters into hotel lobbies and sucked sunbathers and fishermen off
beaches and out to sea.
"We have never known a disaster like this," Sri Lankan President
Chandrika Kumaratunga, who declared a national disaster and appealed
for donor aid, said from holiday in Britain.
It was the worst natural disaster to hit Sri Lanka in recorded
history.
Officials placed the death toll at 4,500 and said that figure could
rise substantially as troops recovered bodies dragged out to sea or
smashed on golden beaches.
______________________________________________________________________________
Luke 21 (New International Version)
10Then he said to them: "Nation will rise against nation, and
kingdom against kingdom. 11There will be great earthquakes, famines
and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs
from heaven.
25"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth,
nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing
of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is
coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that
time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and
great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and
lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."

End
times:
http://www.geocities.com/mart1963/

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User: "Ninure Saunders"

Title: Re: Tsunami leaves 12,600 dead 27 Dec 2004 08:58:23 AM
Kwace to a right-winger to take JOY in the deaths of tens of thousands of
people.
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User: "j w"

Title: Re: Tsunami leaves 12,600 dead 27 Dec 2004 04:24:48 PM
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:58:23 GMT,
RainbowChristiannohate@Rainbow-Christian.tk (Ninure Saunders) wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)

Kwace to a right-winger to take JOY in the deaths of tens of thousands of
people.

You are a demented, demonic liar.
I have read not one word in this thread where anyone has taken joy in
this tragedy.
And YOU should give serious consideration to repenting your aberrant
lifestyle.
This was a "warning shot" to you who LIVE a lifestyle of apostasy.
jw


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User: "Midjis"

Title: Re: Tsunami leaves 12,600 dead 27 Dec 2004 05:40:04 PM
j w <j_w wrote:

You are a demented, demonic liar.

I have read not one word in this thread where anyone has taken joy in
this tragedy.

And YOU should give serious consideration to repenting your aberrant
lifestyle.

This was a "warning shot" to you who LIVE a lifestyle of apostasy.

While you are correct that, for once, martus did not openly revel in the
suffering of others, your post here has confirmed at least the spirit of
Ninure's point.
The purpose of martus' post was quite evidently to utilise the tsunami
disaster for his own politico-religious ends. Albeit that the
connections between the reports about the disaster and the scripture he
posted were left implied rather than explicit, it was quite clear -
especially to those familiar with his style - what point he intended to
make. He intended to use this very real situation to peddle his own god
and, moreover, his own opinions about that god. That is undeniable, and
that, I suspect, was what Ninure was protesting here.
And how do you protest her protest? By doing precisely the thing she
was protesting about in the first place. In other words, by seizing on
this catastrophe and by exploiting it to push your own religious claims:
that it was a 'warning shot' from your 'merciful', 'loving',
'benevolent' God to those who live a lifestyle that YOU PERSONALLY do
not approve of.
You, who pontificates about demons and your knowledge thereof. You, who
labels others 'aberrant'. YOU are the aberration here, JW. YOU are the
one who - without a trace of compassion - stands atop a pile of dead
bodies to preach the so-called word of your God. But if your God is
truly responsible for this then I would say that you and He deserve each
other. And the more demonstrations like this He chooses to make, the
more people will realise just how far behind His creation has left Him.
--
Midjis
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User: "PharLap"

Title: Re: Tsunami leaves 12,600 dead 29 Dec 2004 12:34:42 AM
In article <Xns95CCF0CAAA5E2ZRHGRGGNVWLDRAVKW@217.32.252.50>, Midjis
< @ . > wrote:

j w <j_w wrote:

You are a demented, demonic liar.

I have read not one word in this thread where anyone has taken joy in
this tragedy.

And YOU should give serious consideration to repenting your aberrant
lifestyle.

This was a "warning shot" to you who LIVE a lifestyle of apostasy.



While you are correct that, for once, martus did not openly revel in the
suffering of others, your post here has confirmed at least the spirit of
Ninure's point.

The purpose of martus' post was quite evidently to utilise the tsunami
disaster for his own politico-religious ends. Albeit that the
connections between the reports about the disaster and the scripture he
posted were left implied rather than explicit, it was quite clear -
especially to those familiar with his style - what point he intended to
make. He intended to use this very real situation to peddle his own god
and, moreover, his own opinions about that god. That is undeniable, and
that, I suspect, was what Ninure was protesting here.

And how do you protest her protest? By doing precisely the thing she
was protesting about in the first place. In other words, by seizing on
this catastrophe and by exploiting it to push your own religious claims:
that it was a 'warning shot' from your 'merciful', 'loving',
'benevolent' God to those who live a lifestyle that YOU PERSONALLY do
not approve of.

You, who pontificates about demons and your knowledge thereof. You, who
labels others 'aberrant'. YOU are the aberration here, JW. YOU are the
one who - without a trace of compassion - stands atop a pile of dead
bodies to preach the so-called word of your God. But if your God is
truly responsible for this then I would say that you and He deserve each
other. And the more demonstrations like this He chooses to make, the
more people will realise just how far behind His creation has left Him.

--
Midjis

Absolutely!
Thank you for your courage in speaking out. Sometimes I feel like a lone
voice shouting back at this pseudo-religious psychotic pervert. Most
Christians don't seem to have the guts to.
I find his revelling in the sorrow and blood of others beyond even his
previous lowest standards of vileness
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User: "PharLap"

Title: Re: Tsunami leaves 12,600 dead 29 Dec 2004 12:36:28 AM
In article <nh32t01poljsb7us3gtl7g766atp1rb024@4ax.com>, j w
<j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:

Do not kill the messenger (me) because you don't appreciate the
message.


jw

STUFF your message - oh Scrambled One - no one cares about that - it is
just the usual perverted crap
It is YOU we don't like
Repent yourself! and become a better person!
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User: "j w"

Title: Re: Tsunami leaves 12,600 dead 28 Dec 2004 03:51:11 PM
x-no-archive: yes
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:21:26 +0000 (UTC), Midjis < @ . > wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)

j w <j_w wrote:

x-no-archive: yes
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:40:04 +0000 (UTC), Midjis < @ . > wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)


Is that one particular group, or all the groups we are crossposting to
here? And who precisely do you fear will steal the credit for your words?
Who do you believe would wish to?

For the 100th time, my background is that I am a professional writer,
by training (BA PhotoJournalism) and by experience, having made a
living at it for over 30 years. Writing for DOD, Microsoft, Boeing,
General Electric (defense contracts), NASA (the Space Shuttle), to
list a few.
It occurred to me about a year ago that I was writing some good stuff
in here (the groups) that I could "recycle" with some revisions and
publish for fun and $$$ elsewhere.
I announced my intentions and told people that I would henceforth be
copy writing everything I write in here/ and not archiving.
Immediately, some 20 people told me they would
1. archive my stuff anyway.
2. send MULTIPLE copies of everything I write to Google, under THEIR
names so I can't delete them.
3. make sure that my stuff was archiving so many different places on
the Internet that I'd never be able to find or delete them all.
My notice is fair warning that *I* own what I post in here. That is
the legal requirement for taking court action against others
plagiarizing my material, which is happening as I type this.
I only have to show substantial financial harm by the plagiarism to
clean many people out of their money by DELIBERATELY trying to hurt me
financially.
And I am prepared to prove in court when the time comes that I have
made a BUNDLE with my writing, and that such stealing and plagiarizing
represents a SUBSTANTIAL threat to my ability to support myself. I am
presently trying to exist on Social Security, so I need all the extra
$$$ I can generate.
Although I don't feel I need to explain myself, you asked.
My refusal to archive my posts and my marking each one with a legal
copyright is the professional thing to do.
Knock yourself out, chopping, cut-and-pasting,quoting me,whatever, IN
THE GROUPS in which this is posted.
Just don't make the mistake of trying to republish my material
ELSEWHERE.
It is mine.




Do not kill the messenger (me) because you don't appreciate the
message.


I have no intention of killing you, JW. Unlike certain 'messengers' I
could mention, I take no pleasure in the death of others.

Thanks for that reassurance. Let me revise that. "Don't blame the
messenger."
You are as ardent for your "causes" as I am.


We as a species have the ability to judge right and wrong for ourselves,

Within limits. And as a student psychologist (graduate work towards an
MFC), I know that MOST humans are BORN with emotional/mental issues.

however we might have developed that ability. And your God is as much
subject to our collective judgement as we are to His - as are His
messengers.

In your opinion. I believe in Yhwh, the God of the Bible, and He is
subject to NO one. He along is Sovereign, He alone is Omnipotent,
Omniscient, He alone is Omnipresent.
If you believe that God is subject to mankind, your god is too small.
jw
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User: "PharLap"

Title: Re: Tsunami leaves 12,600 dead 29 Dec 2004 12:52:28 AM
In article <qmk3t0l7n6ecuqsmpv1uckmej03n03rcot@4ax.com>, j w
<j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:

For the 100th time, my background is that I am a professional writer,
by training (BA PhotoJournalism) and by experience, having made a
living at it for over 30 years. Writing for DOD, Microsoft, Boeing,
General Electric (defense contracts), NASA (the Space Shuttle), to
list a few.

No articles have ever turned up except three short stories including one
about a magic cat and another about a near death experience in an
alleyway. One was in a student rag


It occurred to me about a year ago that I was writing some good stuff
in here (the groups)

boy do you have delusions!!!!!!!

I announced my intentions and told people that I would henceforth be
copy writing everything I write in here/ and not archiving.

Immediately, some 20 people told me they would
1. archive my stuff anyway.
2. send MULTIPLE copies of everything I write to Google, under THEIR
names so I can't delete them.
3. make sure that my stuff was archiving so many different places on
the Internet that I'd never be able to find or delete them all.

That was a very good idea since you kept threatening people in the
newsgroup. They will be needed as evidence to have you locked up if you
get any loopier or attack anyone verbally, in writing or physically (which
you have often threatened)


My notice is fair warning that *I* own what I post in here. That is
the legal requirement for taking court action against others
plagiarizing my material, which is happening as I type this.

The only person who would plaguarise your material would have to be even loopier


I only have to show substantial financial harm by the plagiarism to
clean many people out of their money by DELIBERATELY trying to hurt me
financially.

That is one way to get off food stamps I suppose!


And I am prepared to prove in court when the time comes that I have
made a BUNDLE with my writing, and that such stealing and plagiarizing
represents a SUBSTANTIAL threat to my ability to support myself. I am
presently trying to exist on Social Security, so I need all the extra
$$$ I can generate.

I though you didn't approve of people living on welfare. I thought you
thought God provided - not much real faith , have you?
And bugger all compassion for OTHERS who need welfare. You support the
most ANTI welfare of administrations WHAT A HYPOCRITE!


Although I don't feel I need to explain myself, you asked.

My refusal to archive my posts and my marking each one with a legal
copyright is the professional thing to do.

Knock yourself out, chopping, cut-and-pasting,quoting me,whatever, IN
THE GROUPS in which this is posted.

Just don't make the mistake of trying to republish my material
ELSEWHERE.

Who'd want it - we have been trying to get rid of it!


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User: "Midjis"

Title: Re: Tsunami leaves 12,600 dead 29 Dec 2004 08:44:17 AM
(Replying to JW using PharLap's post due to my bad newsfeed and the
measures taken by JW as explained herein that prevent me reading the
post directly. I am assuming that JW was replying to my query about his
copyright concerns.)

In article <qmk3t0l7n6ecuqsmpv1uckmej03n03rcot@4ax.com>, j w
<j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:


For the 100th time, my background is that I am a professional writer,
by training (BA PhotoJournalism) and by experience, having made a
living at it for over 30 years. Writing for DOD, Microsoft, Boeing,
General Electric (defense contracts), NASA (the Space Shuttle), to
list a few.

These are very scientific-sounding fields of work. It is remarkable
that you have been able to write for the DoD, Microsoft, Boeing and NASA
for so long without at least once finding their work coming into
conflict with your extreme religious views. Could you perhaps reference
a few of your articles?

It occurred to me about a year ago that I was writing some good stuff
in here (the groups)

This seems a rather odd conclusion. The majority of your posts appear
to consist of little more than religious declamation and threats in the
name of supernatural entities towards those who do not conform to or
recognise the constraints under which you place your god.

I announced my intentions and told people that I would henceforth be
copy writing everything I write in here/ and not archiving.

As I understand the position, by definition everything that is posted to
Usenet is already copyrighted - whether or not a self-important song and
dance is made over the fact. I spent many years trying to exclude my
posts from Google's archives - however, protecting my copyright was not
my reason for doing so. As it stands, I believe that if this is your
motivation then you are actually cutting off your nose to spite your
face, as it were. Google is an established, and largely reliable,
record of what occurs on Usenet. By allowing them to archive your posts
then you actually set a firm record of what you said and when - thus
allowing you to challenge with evidence anyone who, for whatever reason,
tries to pass off your words as their own.

Immediately, some 20 people told me they would
1. archive my stuff anyway.
2. send MULTIPLE copies of everything I write to Google, under THEIR
names so I can't delete them.
3. make sure that my stuff was archiving so many different places on
the Internet that I'd never be able to find or delete them all.

This process occurs naturally - something that contributed to my own
decision to stop excluding my posts. They were getting archived anyway,
every time someone responded to me. But again, given that your
motivation is to protect the copyright on the 'good stuff' you are
posting here, and that you are a professional writer with 30 years'
experience, it seems odd that you would wish to go to such lengths to
hide your 'work'.

My notice is fair warning that *I* own what I post in here. That is
the legal requirement for taking court action against others
plagiarizing my material, which is happening as I type this.

As I said, we ALL own what we post in here. Ultimately we all take the
credit or bear the responsibility for what we type in this forum. Do
you understand what appears to be a serious flaw in your reasoning?
Say you write a book. You show the manuscript to a few friends, let
them read it, then burn it. One of them, obviously not the sort of
friend you thought, then writes the book out again - as best they can
remember it - and publishes it as their own. You take them to court
claiming plagiarism. The court asks you to produce the book YOU wrote.
You explain that you cannot, because you burnt it to protect the
copyright, but that you definitely DID write it before your 'friend'
did. Your case is thrown out of court.
Now, imagine how different the result would be if you had published your
work, and there was a copy of your book in every household. Your friend
would never have attempted the plagiarism, because he knows that you can
simply point to the record and prove that you wrote the book and when.
The situation is the same. You go to great lengths to try to prevent
any record of what you write being stored anywhere. That means you are
making life extremely difficult for yourself in the unlikely event that
anyone decided to rip off your posts. Yes, most of us will have client-
side records of what we type - but how easily can they be forged? If
you archived your posts you would have independent, indisputable proof
that you wrote what you wrote.
However, realistically, I suspect that all this talk of copyright is
just a smokescreen for another motivation. I suspect - and by all means
correct me if I am wrong - that you actually wish to avoid archiving
because you know your arguments frequently rely on you shifting your
stance and trying to muddy the water. That you avoid Google, in fact,
for the very same reasons that it would make such a useful copyright-
enforcement tool: it sets in stone what you write here. And you, let us
face it, find it more advantageous to keep the situation as fluid as
possible.

I only have to show substantial financial harm by the plagiarism to
clean many people out of their money by DELIBERATELY trying to hurt
me financially.

And what *financial* harm do you believe you would suffer as a result of
Usenet plagiarism?

And I am prepared to prove in court when the time comes that I have
made a BUNDLE with my writing, and that such stealing and
plagiarizing represents a SUBSTANTIAL threat to my ability to support
myself. I am presently trying to exist on Social Security, so I need
all the extra $$$ I can generate.

I very much doubt you have made a BUNDLE through writing on Usenet.
Particularly given the manner of most of your posts. There are many
people trying to exist on social security - please do not try to use
this to garner sympathy.
Additionally, although I realise this directly reflects PharLap's reply
to you, it IS interesting that you seek now to appeal to others'
compassion here, given the absolute lack of that quality that you have
shown to those who have died in or are suffering as a result of the
recent natural disaster - that which you joyously claim to be your
'loving' God's handiwork.

Although I don't feel I need to explain myself, you asked.

I did. Maybe others did, as well, and this reply was not intended for
me, but it is appreciated nonetheless.

My refusal to archive my posts and my marking each one with a legal
copyright is the professional thing to do.

I would tend to disagree, for reasons stated. As I said, I had my own
reasons previously for not archiving my posts - but these were not
amongst them. Professional concern with regards to being recognised as
the author of my work would lead me to ensure that my posts WERE
archived, not to avoid the process.

Just don't make the mistake of trying to republish my material
ELSEWHERE.

I am of course free to excerpt your material wherever I please under the
fair use rules, and may do so should I choose to discuss your views in
another forum. It is unlikely that I would wish to do so. Since your
stated dogmatic religious beliefs are, in so many respects,
diametrically opposed to my own, the possibility that I might wish to
claim your posts as my own need not concern you.
--
Midjis
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User: "j w"

Title: Re: Tsunami leaves 12,600 dead 29 Dec 2004 03:58:13 PM
x-no-archive: yes
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:44:17 +0000 (UTC), Midjis < @ . > wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)

(Replying to JW using PharLap's post due to my bad newsfeed and the
measures taken by JW as explained herein that prevent me reading the
post directly. I am assuming that JW was replying to my query about his
copyright concerns.)


In article <qmk3t0l7n6ecuqsmpv1uckmej03n03rcot@4ax.com>, j w
<j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:


For the 100th time, my background is that I am a professional writer,
by training (BA PhotoJournalism) and by experience, having made a
living at it for over 30 years. Writing for DOD, Microsoft, Boeing,
General Electric (defense contracts), NASA (the Space Shuttle), to
list a few.


These are very scientific-sounding fields of work.

"...scientific-sounding"???
To be very specific, I worked on the first computer that was connected
DIRECTLY to a machine cutting tool used in the manufacture of
(military) aircraft. The project was called the Front End Processor
(FEP). If you contacted Boeing's Auburn, Washington plant, or Boeing's
Eastgate/Bellevue, Washington offices, they'd know me.
I worked for Boeing on the Space Shuttle, called "Tiger" when I worked
on it.
At Microsoft, I worked on the "DOS 6.01" project, also known as "DOS
for Dummies", the pre-Windows 3 DOS.
I worked for Systems Northwest on a DOD application, a "remote
computer" that is built and then installed in a "remote area" of the
world where no one will be back to fix or troubleshoot or test it for
probably 5 years, and it has to hold up.
I edited the entire series of Maintenance and Repair manuals for my
specialty ("Environmental Systems") for the Air Force. My manuals were
adopted by the entire 3rd Air Force (NATO).
etc.
It is remarkable

that you have been able to write for the DoD, Microsoft, Boeing and NASA
for so long without at least once finding their work coming into
conflict with your extreme religious views.

Who said my work didn't conflict with my religious views? And they are
not extreme. 50 years ago, my church was considered mainstream. Those
churches that left what was the mainstream 50 years ago are now the
issue, not me. My religious views have not changed substantially. 50
years ago, I believed in the Bible. I still do. Then I believed in the
Trinity; I still do. Then I believed in being born again; I still do.
Could you perhaps reference

a few of your articles?

As I have explained MANY times before, I did not write "articles" for
the above-mentioned organizations. I was an "in-house" staff-writer.
The documents were ALL proprietary, meaning "For the End-User's Eyes
Only. I have ALWAYS worked in endeavors that were either Secret or
Proprietary, meaning I can't go into any detail about the content.
And in-house, meaning that you would not have access if you don't have
a "need to know."
However, if you would like to actually SEE one of my projects, the
NASA project, I invite you to go to
www.download.com
Go to the "games" area, and type in a request for "Space Station
Manager". Download it, and you will be able to pretend to assemble a
Space Station IN ORBIT. I wrote a significant amount of documentation
for the space station. And one of the requirements for the program was
that it had to be able to rotate the object in space 360 degrees.
I could not imagine how that could be. Get the program, point at a
piece of "space" BESIDE (not ON) the space station, and move the
mouse. As you move the mouse, this way and that way, you will note
that you can actually rotate the space station 360 degrees.
I have told several stories about how the project was developed-- the
theory-- but have since realized that I may not be authorized to
divulge that information.




It occurred to me about a year ago that I was writing some good stuff
in here (the groups)


This seems a rather odd conclusion.

To a non-writer, non-Christian perhaps.
The majority of your posts appear

to consist of little more than religious declamation and threats in the
name of supernatural entities towards those who do not conform to or
recognise the constraints under which you place your god.

With that insult, I leave you.
When you can come back and ask your questions without putdowns, come
back.
jw




I announced my intentions and told people that I would henceforth be
copy writing everything I write in here/ and not archiving.


As I understand the position, by definition everything that is posted to
Usenet is already copyrighted - whether or not a self-important song and
dance is made over the fact.

Well, there is still MUCH debate about copyrighting since so much
writing has been put up on the net. I have kept a close ear to that
topic on the news. Last I heard, it is still up to debate, and the
"safe practice" is still considered "to be safe, put your copyright
notice on EVERYTHING you write: it's a good habit."
jw
snipped after the previous insult.
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User: "walksalone"

Title: jw was Re: Tsunami leaves 12,600 dead 30 Dec 2004 06:06:03 AM
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:58:13 -0800, j w in a fit of braggadocio spewed out
the following, & as usual,. they are false in no less than one major point.
followup set, if you wish to see if the infantile one has anything to say
to this post, you will need to follow it to its midden heap.

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From: j w <"j_w<no">
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Subject: Re: Tsunami leaves 12,600 dead
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On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:44:17 +0000 (UTC), Midjis < @ . > wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)

(Replying to JW using PharLap's post due to my bad newsfeed and the
measures taken by JW as explained herein that prevent me reading the
post directly. I am assuming that JW was replying to my query about his
copyright concerns.)


In article <qmk3t0l7n6ecuqsmpv1uckmej03n03rcot@4ax.com>, j w
<j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:

For the 100th time, my background is that I am a professional writer,
by training (BA PhotoJournalism) and by experience, having made a
living at it for over 30 years. Writing for DOD, Microsoft, Boeing,
General Electric (defense contracts), NASA (the Space Shuttle), to
list a few.


These are very scientific-sounding fields of work.


"...scientific-sounding"???

To be very specific, I worked on the first computer that was connected
DIRECTLY to a machine cutting tool used in the manufacture of

You were using a computer in what, 1953 then. Electronic controls have been
around since before then, but programmable tools that could actually do
quality control, that's the first one I recall.

(military) aircraft. The project was called the Front End Processor
(FEP). If you contacted Boeing's Auburn, Washington plant, or Boeing's
Eastgate/Bellevue, Washington offices, they'd know me.

No doubt they are still looking for you, you failed to return your broom &
dustpan.

I worked for Boeing on the Space Shuttle, called "Tiger" when I worked
on it.


At Microsoft, I worked on the "DOS 6.01" project, also known as "DOS
for Dummies", the pre-Windows 3 DOS.

Yet, you said you were employed on the help desk. Interesting how things
improve for you with each retelling.

I worked for Systems Northwest on a DOD application, a "remote
computer" that is built and then installed in a "remote area" of the
world where no one will be back to fix or troubleshoot or test it for
probably 5 years, and it has to hold up.

There is a difference between worked on & designed, constructed,
programmed.
I worked on attack helicopters, but that says nothing as to what I know or
could do with one.

I edited the entire series of Maintenance and Repair manuals for my
specialty ("Environmental Systems") for the Air Force. My manuals were
adopted by the entire 3rd Air Force (NATO).

& here is the lie extraordinary, no, you did not.
You see, when you submit a change to a manual, be it error correction or
anything else, it is not limited to one theater of operations, it goes USAF
wide, all theaters. Not just one. There is also financial compensation that
goes with it.
In no case is the revision reprinted immediately unless it is a safety
hazard of deadly consequences if neglected.
I can see why the USAF gave you the boot.
BTW, with an undesirable discharge, government contractors would not have
hired you, care to guess why?
You would not have been able to get a security clearance, & what you claim
to have worked on would require at least a secret clearance.

etc.

Right, & the fairy gold you paid for these jobs was worth more than you.

It is remarkable
that you have been able to write for the DoD, Microsoft, Boeing and NASA
for so long without at least once finding their work coming into
conflict with your extreme religious views.


Who said my work didn't conflict with my religious views? And they are

Who said you had the jobs to start with? Only you.

not extreme. 50 years ago, my church was considered mainstream. Those
churches that left what was the mainstream 50 years ago are now the
issue, not me. My religious views have not changed substantially. 50
years ago, I believed in the Bible. I still do. Then I believed in the
Trinity; I still do. Then I believed in being born again; I still do.

Well yes, you do make that claim.

Could you perhaps reference
a few of your articles?


As I have explained MANY times before, I did not write "articles" for

Error jw, error, it should read *As I have claimed*, not *as I have
explained*.

the above-mentioned organizations. I was an "in-house" staff-writer.
The documents were ALL proprietary, meaning "For the End-User's Eyes

Yup, & none of them divulge records of past employment to the general
public, now is that not special.

Only. I have ALWAYS worked in endeavors that were either Secret or
Proprietary, meaning I can't go into any detail about the content.

Liar, your discharge would stop you from getting a secret clearance for
govt. contracts.

And in-house, meaning that you would not have access if you don't have
a "need to know."

Left you in the cold did they?

However, if you would like to actually SEE one of my projects, the
NASA project, I invite you to go to


www.download.com


Go to the "games" area, and type in a request for "Space Station
Manager". Download it, and you will be able to pretend to assemble a
Space Station IN ORBIT. I wrote a significant amount of documentation
for the space station. And one of the requirements for the program was
that it had to be able to rotate the object in space 360 degrees.

Yet, your name won't be among the authors, no surprise.

I could not imagine how that could be. Get the program, point at a
piece of "space" BESIDE (not ON) the space station, and move the
mouse. As you move the mouse, this way and that way, you will note
that you can actually rotate the space station 360 degrees.


So you found a game you can pretend to have had something to do with, & are
doing so. But then, you are the one that claims to have worked with the
fist IBM PC, & you don't even know which one it was. Hint, it was not a
360.

I have told several stories about how the project was developed-- the
theory-- but have since realized that I may not be authorized to
divulge that information.

Don't worry, everyone realises you can't divulge what you don't know.

It occurred to me about a year ago that I was writing some good stuff
in here (the groups)


This seems a rather odd conclusion.


To a non-writer, non-Christian perhaps.

No, to anyone that can read. Your posts are less than interesting whether
viewed for information or content.

The majority of your posts appear
to consist of little more than religious declamation and threats in the
name of supernatural entities towards those who do not conform to or
recognise the constraints under which you place your god.


With that insult, I leave you.

Truth hurts still then? Very well, carry on.

When you can come back and ask your questions without putdowns, come
back.

What was the putdown, you are a blowhard & he said it politely.
Whoops, he told the truth, that was the putdown.

jw

As I understand the position, by definition everything that is posted to
Usenet is already copyrighted - whether or not a self-important song and
dance is made over the fact.


Well, there is still MUCH debate about copyrighting since so much
writing has been put up on the net. I have kept a close ear to that

& you don't understand any of it. Still, by pretending you have something
worth copyrighting, you might lure a sucker or two into your tangled web.

topic on the news. Last I heard, it is still up to debate, and the
"safe practice" is still considered "to be safe, put your copyright
notice on EVERYTHING you write: it's a good habit."

Right, in your case, it prevents anyone from stealing your ineffectual
property rights.

jw


snipped after the previous insult.

How so, you still posted?
walksalone who has no doubt jw is busy calculating his martyr points, but
how one tally's a negative number in a logical manner I fess is beyond me.
--
The Hadith Qudsi 6
The first of people against whom judgment will be pronounced on the Day of
Resurrection will be a man who died a martyr. He will be brought and Allah
will make known to him His favours and he will recognize them.
The Almighty will say: And what did you do about them? He will say: I
fought for you until I died a martyr. He will say: You have lied - you did
but fight that it might be said [of you]: He is courageous. And so it was
said.
Then he will be ordered to be dragged along on his face until he is cast
into Hell-fire.
.
User: "Midjis"

Title: Re: jw was Re: Tsunami leaves 12,600 dead 30 Dec 2004 10:38:15 AM
Again, my newsfeed seems to have some sort of vendetta against JW, in
that I am only able to read his posts via PharLap's quotes. I hope
PharLap will excuse me undoing the good work in cutting the groups, but
I am trying to reply to JW and I do not know which of the many he is
actually reading.

"...scientific-sounding"???

To be very specific, I worked on the first computer that was
connected DIRECTLY to a machine cutting tool used in the manufacture
of
(military) aircraft. The project was called the Front End Processor
(FEP). If you contacted Boeing's Auburn, Washington plant, or
Boeing's Eastgate/Bellevue, Washington offices, they'd know me.

[...]

I worked for Boeing on the Space Shuttle, called "Tiger" when I
worked on it.


At Microsoft, I worked on the "DOS 6.01" project, also known as "DOS
for Dummies", the pre-Windows 3 DOS.

[...]

I worked for Systems Northwest on a DOD application, a "remote
computer" that is built and then installed in a "remote area" of the
world where no one will be back to fix or troubleshoot or test it for
probably 5 years, and it has to hold up.

[...]

I edited the entire series of Maintenance and Repair manuals for my
specialty ("Environmental Systems") for the Air Force. My manuals
were adopted by the entire 3rd Air Force (NATO).

[...]

etc.

An impressive résumé, to be sure. However, what I asked you to do was
reference specific work that you have done, and articles that you have
written. I could tell you all sorts of things about my life, for
example, but without solid backup you would have no more reason to
believe my claims than I have to believe that you worked on the Space
Shuttle 'when it was called Tiger'...

It is remarkable
that you have been able to write for the DoD, Microsoft, Boeing and
NASA for so long without at least once finding their work coming into
conflict with your extreme religious views.


Who said my work didn't conflict with my religious views? And they
are
not extreme. 50 years ago, my church was considered mainstream. Those
churches that left what was the mainstream 50 years ago are now the
issue, not me. My religious views have not changed substantially. 50
years ago, I believed in the Bible. I still do. Then I believed in
the Trinity; I still do. Then I believed in being born again; I still
do.

All very well. But you also believe in a God who kills for pleasure,
and you praise Him for it. That you gain satisfaction from the
suffering and death of others makes you a little 'extreme', in my view.
And that is a polite word for it.

As I have explained MANY times before, I did not write "articles" for
the above-mentioned organizations. I was an "in-house" staff-writer.
The documents were ALL proprietary, meaning "For the End-User's Eyes
Only. I have ALWAYS worked in endeavors that were either Secret or
Proprietary, meaning I can't go into any detail about the content.

By far a better approach to Secret-graded work would be not to discuss
it at all. Given this tendency of yours to use it as a cheap tactic in
a trivial debate, I very much doubt your reliability in this regard.
After all, at the moment you are simply trying to show off. How much
information would you reveal, I wonder, if you were to get really
annoyed?
A half-decent interrogator would have a field day with you. You wave
your weaknesses like a flag.

However, if you would like to actually SEE one of my projects, the
NASA project, I invite you to go to


www.download.com


Go to the "games" area, and type in a request for "Space Station
Manager". Download it, and you will be able to pretend to assemble a
Space Station IN ORBIT. I wrote a significant amount of documentation
for the space station. And one of the requirements for the program
was that it had to be able to rotate the object in space 360 degrees.

I note that you have been careful not to actually say that you have any
connection to this game. The game is certainly more than I could do,
having no skill in programming - but even had you claimed that you wrote
it I still would not accept it as evidence of DoD/NASA work, or any of
your other spectacular achievement.

I could not imagine how that could be. Get the program, point at a
piece of "space" BESIDE (not ON) the space station, and move the
mouse. As you move the mouse, this way and that way, you will note
that you can actually rotate the space station 360 degrees.

Again, this is a mere game, nothing more. You have made no claim that
you wrote the game, and therefore its relevance here is questionable.

I have told several stories about how the project was developed-- the
theory-- but have since realized that I may not be authorized to
divulge that information.

You have SINCE REALISED? Rubbish. You would - or certainly should -
have known exactly what you could disclose and what you could not.
Unless you are a project director or other specifically-authorised
person it is usually best to disclose nothing. But that, of course,
would prevent you from trumpeting your great achievements here in public
on Usenet. I wonder just how 'secret' these secrets can have been, if
you have suffered no repercussions as a result of your remarkable big
mouth.

To a non-writer, non-Christian perhaps.

Well, this would be open to interpretation. If by 'non-writer' you mean
someone who does not write, then clearly your assessment is wrong. One
of my many failings is my tendency to write too much. Given that I have
been on Usenet in general and ARC in particular for probably six or
seven years now, such a definition does not sit well. I shudder to
think just how many words I have fired off into the ether.
If, however, you mean by 'non-writer' someone who has never been paid
for writing, then you are closer to the mark, if still not entirely on
target. I have never made a great deal of money from writing, that is
true. Finally, if you mean 'one who has never taken part in secret
projects for all sorts of exciting organisations', well obviously I
could not discuss that even if I had, now could I?
You are dead right on 'non-Christian', though.

With that insult, I leave you.

If you wish to take it as an insult, then by all means do so. I have
better things to do with my time than try to offend you. I say as I
see, as they say, and if that upsets you then - similarly - I have
better things to do than try to console you.
But if you are hoping for an apology then you will not get one on this
occasion.

When you can come back and ask your questions without putdowns, come
back.

Would you like another putdown? I am sure there is plenty of scope for
additional ones in the speed with which a 'professional writer', who has
worked in Secret-graded projects, and who also has God On His Side, runs
away from a discussion at the first opportunity...

Well, there is still MUCH debate about copyrighting since so much
writing has been put up on the net. I have kept a close ear to that

Sorry - I thought you had gone.

topic on the news. Last I heard, it is still up to debate, and the
"safe practice" is still considered "to be safe, put your copyright
notice on EVERYTHING you write: it's a good habit."

It is a good, but unnecessary, habit. However, my point remains: given
that Google would provide you dependable evidence of your authorship of
your posts, what are your TRUE reasons for avoiding archiving? IS it
simply to allow you the flexibility you need to make claims and
subsequently deny them, or otherwise shift the goalposts according to
your needs?
--
Midjis
.
User: "The official Usenet GHOST! BOOOOOOOOOO!"

Title: Re: jw was Re: Tsunami leaves 12,600 dead 30 Dec 2004 01:49:09 PM
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:38:15 +0000 (UTC), Midjis < @ . > sez the
following funny stuff:

Again, my newsfeed seems to have some sort of vendetta against JW,

The 'vendetta' John Weatherly ASKED FOR entirely by himself, what with
his continuous lies, put-downs, lies, insults, lies, tall tales, lies,
threats, lies, curses, lies, wishes of illness and evil against
others, lies, etc.
BTW, did anyone ever tell you how liar-johnnie LIES constantly?
Yes indeed, the problems that old liar is facing are the result of one
individual: JOHN WEATHERLY.

An impressive résumé, to be sure. However, what I asked you to do was
reference specific work that you have done, and articles that you have
written. I could tell you all sorts of things about my life, for
example, but without solid backup you would have no more reason to
believe my claims than I have to believe that you worked on the Space
Shuttle 'when it was called Tiger'...

Oh, his 'employment' background is interesting, judging from what he
posted .................... I won't bother saying anything further
unless he insists.

All very well. But you also believe in a God who kills for pleasure,
and you praise Him for it. That you gain satisfaction from the
suffering and death of others makes you a little 'extreme', in my view.
And that is a polite word for it.

JW WISHES illness and discomfort on others, sir.
He wished a 'pox' on myself and a good friend of mine. He wished the
ruination of Scout Lady's marriage; he wished unemployment and poverty
for me, along wiht homelessness, etc........
Nice guy huh? not.



As I have explained MANY times before, I did not write "articles" for
the above-mentioned organizations. I was an "in-house" staff-writer.
The documents were ALL proprietary, meaning "For the End-User's Eyes
Only. I have ALWAYS worked in endeavors that were either Secret or
Proprietary, meaning I can't go into any detail about the content.


By far a better approach to Secret-graded work would be not to discuss
it at all. Given this tendency of yours to use it as a cheap tactic in
a trivial debate, I very much doubt your reliability in this regard.
After all, at the moment you are simply trying to show off. How much
information would you reveal, I wonder, if you were to get really
annoyed?

A half-decent interrogator would have a field day with you. You wave
your weaknesses like a flag.



However, if you would like to actually SEE one of my projects, the
NASA project, I invite you to go to


www.download.com


Go to the "games" area, and type in a request for "Space Station
Manager". Download it, and you will be able to pretend to assemble a
Space Station IN ORBIT. I wrote a significant amount of documentation
for the space station. And one of the requirements for the program
was that it had to be able to rotate the object in space 360 degrees.


I note that you have been careful not to actually say that you have any
connection to this game. The game is certainly more than I could do,
having no skill in programming - but even had you claimed that you wrote
it I still would not accept it as evidence of DoD/NASA work, or any of
your other spectacular achievement.



I could not imagine how that could be. Get the program, point at a
piece of "space" BESIDE (not ON) the space station, and move the
mouse. As you move the mouse, this way and that way, you will note
that you can actually rotate the space station 360 degrees.


Again, this is a mere game, nothing more. You have made no claim that
you wrote the game, and therefore its relevance here is questionable.



I have told several stories about how the project was developed-- the
theory-- but have since realized that I may not be authorized to
divulge that information.


You have SINCE REALISED? Rubbish. You would - or certainly should -
have known exactly what you could disclose and what you could not.
Unless you are a project director or other specifically-authorised
person it is usually best to disclose nothing. But that, of course,
would prevent you from trumpeting your great achievements here in public
on Usenet. I wonder just how 'secret' these secrets can have been, if
you have suffered no repercussions as a result of your remarkable big
mouth.



To a non-writer, non-Christian perhaps.


Well, this would be open to interpretation. If by 'non-writer' you mean
someone who does not write, then clearly your assessment is wrong. One
of my many failings is my tendency to write too much. Given that I have
been on Usenet in general and ARC in particular for probably six or
seven years now, such a definition does not sit well. I shudder to
think just how many words I have fired off into the ether.

If, however, you mean by 'non-writer' someone who has never been paid
for writing, then you are closer to the mark, if still not entirely on
target. I have never made a great deal of money from writing, that is
true. Finally, if you mean 'one who has never taken part in secret
projects for all sorts of exciting organisations', well obviously I
could not discuss that even if I had, now could I?


You are dead right on 'non-Christian', though.



With that insult, I leave you.


If you wish to take it as an insult, then by all means do so. I have
better things to do with my time than try to offend you. I say as I
see, as they say, and if that upsets you then - similarly - I have
better things to do than try to console you.

But if you are hoping for an apology then you will not get one on this
occasion.



When you can come back and ask your questions without putdowns, come
back.


Would you like another putdown? I am sure there is plenty of scope for
additional ones in the speed with which a 'professional writer', who has
worked in Secret-graded projects, and who also has God On His Side, runs
away from a discussion at the first opportunity...



Well, there is still MUCH debate about copyrighting since so much
writing has been put up on the net. I have kept a close ear to that


Sorry - I thought you had gone.



topic on the news. Last I heard, it is still up to debate, and the
"safe practice" is still considered "to be safe, put your copyright
notice on EVERYTHING you write: it's a good habit."


It is a good, but unnecessary, habit. However, my point remains: given
that Google would provide you dependable evidence of your authorship of
your posts, what are your TRUE reasons for avoiding archiving? IS it
simply to allow you the flexibility you need to make claims and
subsequently deny them, or otherwise shift the goalposts according to
your needs?

.

User: "walksalone"

Title: Re: jw was Re: Tsunami leaves 12,600 dead 30 Dec 2004 03:24:20 PM
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:38:15 +0000 (UTC),Midjis wrote:

Again, my newsfeed seems to have some sort of vendetta against JW, in

Could it be it filters out the excessive crossposters? Some servers do.
If you would like the address of a free server send a message to abuse @
baawa net with the subject newsfeeds. I recommend a throwaway mail address
such as yahoo [the same one jw uses]. I have notified them that you are
welcome to send me a message there.

that I am only able to read his posts via PharLap's quotes. I hope
PharLap will excuse me undoing the good work in cutting the groups, but
I am trying to reply to JW and I do not know which of the many he is
actually reading.

Try the Baptist group, it where he has set up his *area of operations*
since 2002. True, he has been known to invade other groups, but usually
that is where he hides.
snip

Go to the "games" area, and type in a request for "Space Station
Manager". Download it, and you will be able to pretend to assemble a
Space Station IN ORBIT. I wrote a significant amount of documentation
for the space station. And one of the requirements for the program
was that it had to be able to rotate the object in space 360 degrees.


I note that you have been careful not to actually say that you have any
connection to this game. The game is certainly more than I could do,
having no skill in programming - but even had you claimed that you wrote
it I still would not accept it as evidence of DoD/NASA work, or any of
your other spectacular achievement.

Noticed how he slides away from giving any actual traceable links between
the claims & evidence for the claims have you?

I could not imagine how that could be. Get the program, point at a
piece of "space" BESIDE (not ON) the space station, and move the
mouse. As you move the mouse, this way and that way, you will note
that you can actually rotate the space station 360 degrees.


Again, this is a mere game, nothing more. You have made no claim that
you wrote the game, and therefore its relevance here is questionable.


I have told several stories about how the project was developed-- the
theory-- but have since realized that I may not be authorized to
divulge that information.


You have SINCE REALISED? Rubbish. You would - or certainly should -
have known exactly what you could disclose and what you could not.
Unless you are a project director or other specifically-authorised
person it is usually best to disclose nothing. But that, of course,
would prevent you from trumpeting your great achievements here in public
on Usenet. I wonder just how 'secret' these secrets can have been, if
you have suffered no repercussions as a result of your remarkable big
mouth.

To a non-writer, non-Christian perhaps.


Well, this would be open to interpretation. If by 'non-writer' you mean
someone who does not write, then clearly your assessment is wrong. One
of my many failings is my tendency to write too much. Given that I have
been on Usenet in general and ARC in particular for probably six or
seven years now, such a definition does not sit well. I shudder to
think just how many words I have fired off into the ether.

If, however, you mean by 'non-writer' someone who has never been paid
for writing, then you are closer to the mark, if still not entirely on
target. I have never made a great deal of money from writing, that is
true. Finally, if you mean 'one who has never taken part in secret
projects for all sorts of exciting organisations', well obviously I
could not discuss that even if I had, now could I?

You are dead right on 'non-Christian', though.


With that insult, I leave you.

If you wish to take it as an insult, then by all means do so. I have

Its his favorite way to run out of providing evidence, & about the only way
he thinks he can do it whilst pretending to hold the part of the injured
innocent.

better things to do with my time than try to offend you. I say as I
see, as they say, and if that upsets you then - similarly - I have
better things to do than try to console you.

But if you are hoping for an apology then you will not get one on this
occasion.


When you can come back and ask your questions without putdowns, come
back.


Would you like another putdown? I am sure there is plenty of scope for
additional ones in the speed with which a 'professional writer', who has

Don't worry, if you don't provide one he will simply claim you have. But
really, all that you need to do is point out that he might be being a hair
on the dishonest side, which is very polite, & its a put down to him.

worked in Secret-graded projects, and who also has God On His Side, runs
away from a discussion at the first opportunity...

Well, there is still MUCH debate about copyrighting since so much
writing has been put up on the net. I have kept a close ear to that


Sorry - I thought you had gone.

Another one of his favorite techniques, slid in when you would not expect
him.

topic on the news. Last I heard, it is still up to debate, and the
"safe practice" is still considered "to be safe, put your copyright
notice on EVERYTHING you write: it's a good habit."


It is a good, but unnecessary, habit. However, my point remains: given
that Google would provide you dependable evidence of your authorship of
your posts, what are your TRUE reasons for avoiding archiving? IS it
simply to allow you the flexibility you need to make claims and
subsequently deny them, or otherwise shift the goalposts according to
your needs?

I doubt you need jw to tell you why he, & others do that. Something about
their posts coming back to haunt them IIRC. He hates it when that happens.
walksalone who does not recall where Midjis posts from, & so there are no
follow ups set.
.
User: "The official Usenet GHOST! BOOOOOOOOOO!"

Title: Re: jw was Re: Tsunami leaves 12,600 dead 31 Dec 2004 12:34:55 PM
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:24:20 GMT, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> sez the
following funny stuff:

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:38:15 +0000 (UTC),Midjis wrote:

Again, my newsfeed seems to have some sort of vendetta against JW, in


Could it be it filters out the excessive crossposters? Some servers do.
If you would like the address of a free server send a message to abuse @
baawa net with the subject newsfeeds. I recommend a throwaway mail address
such as yahoo [the same one jw uses]. I have notified them that you are
welcome to send me a message there.

I doubt you need jw to tell you why he, & others do that. Something about
their posts coming back to haunt them IIRC. He hates it when that happens.

walksalone who does not recall where Midjis posts from, & so there are no
follow ups set.

Walksalone- do you perhaps know the URL of the site whi archives posts
regardless of the X-no-archive:yes line?
Thanks-- and Happy new year. :o)
.







User: "walksalone"

Title: jw was Re: Tsunami leaves 12,600 dead 28 Dec 2004 11:17:19 PM
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:51:11 -0800, in an ongoiig attempt to justify the
unjustifiable, jw oozed out of its midden heap long enough to leave a toxic
pile behind itself.
Followups? Of course, a day without jw is a day of sanity.

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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:21:26 +0000 (UTC), Midjis < @ . > wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)

j w <j_w wrote:

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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:40:04 +0000 (UTC), Midjis < @ . > wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)


Is that one particular group, or all the groups we are crossposting to
here? And who precisely do you fear will steal the credit for your words?
Who do you believe would wish to?


For the 100th time, my background is that I am a professional writer,

This can be seen by the professional posting style he uses, all the habits
of a trained writer in every post, if he wants it to look that way that is.

by training (BA PhotoJournalism) and by experience, having made a

Right, just oddles & oddles of money, but no one can find your stuff, not
even the local librarian.

living at it for over 30 years. Writing for DOD, Microsoft, Boeing,
General Electric (defense contracts), NASA (the Space Shuttle), to
list a few.

None of which seem to have herd of you. Now that is odd.
Oh, that's right, you mention a first name & everyone gets to guess which
janitor you are referring to.

It occurred to me about a year ago that I was writing some good stuff

& only to you, or are you still posting porn since 12/02?

in here (the groups) that I could "recycle" with some revisions and
publish for fun and $$$ elsewhere.

Please do take a sabbatical & do that, about 100 years & the Baptist group
might regain a decent name after your stay.

I announced my intentions and told people that I would henceforth be
copy writing everything I write in here/ and not archiving.


Immediately, some 20 people told me they would
1. archive my stuff anyway.
2. send MULTIPLE copies of everything I write to Google, under THEIR
names so I can't delete them.
3. make sure that my stuff was archiving so many different places on
the Internet that I'd never be able to find or delete them all.

Sure they did, & you can name everyone of them. I suppose you believe that,
but the only one collecting your trash & posting it back [due to your
hiding behind the yellow ensign] should law enforcement or mental health
services need i is me insofar as I know,

My notice is fair warning that *I* own what I post in here. That is
the legal requirement for taking court action against others

A process that you can initiate for free, but you don't.

plagiarizing my material, which is happening as I type this.

Who would really want to quote you in any manner that is not a form of self
defense is beyond me.

I only have to show substantial financial harm by the plagiarism to
clean many people out of their money by DELIBERATELY trying to hurt me
financially.

& that you can not do, must suck to be you, all that greed & no way to gain
from it.

And I am prepared to prove in court when the time comes that I have
made a BUNDLE with my writing, and that such stealing and plagiarizing
represents a SUBSTANTIAL threat to my ability to support myself. I am

You haven't supported yourself for some time now, not at least since Aug of
02 when you oozed out of a specimen jar.
Or, like now, were you lying.

presently trying to exist on Social Security, so I need all the extra
$$$ I can generate.

Not if you get what you need & forgo luxury, such as internet access.
That's a week of grocery's for me.

Although I don't feel I need to explain myself, you asked.

& you could not wait to replay your standard sob story.

My refusal to archive my posts and my marking each one with a legal
copyright is the professional thing to do.

No its not, but then, what is another lie when you have so many on your
plate.

Knock yourself out, chopping, cut-and-pasting,quoting me,whatever, IN
THE GROUPS in which this is posted.
Just don't make the mistake of trying to republish my material
ELSEWHERE.

But I do, if I am so inclined, & I do it legally. Doubt it, ask your local
police, if they are not looking for you that is.

It is mine.

So are your lies, & like them, its doubtful that anyone would want the
shame of repeating them & claiming them for themselves.

Do not kill the messenger (me) because you don't appreciate the
message.


I have no intention of killing you, JW. Unlike certain 'messengers' I
could mention, I take no pleasure in the death of others.


Thanks for that reassurance. Let me revise that. "Don't blame the
messenger."

Never do, when there is a message & not their warped version of what the
message is. But then, you don't like taking responsibility for your
actions, so why not blame you for your lies?

You are as ardent for your "causes" as I am.

No, you are rabid, others are concerned for. The two are not mutual.

We as a species have the ability to judge right and wrong for ourselves,


Within limits. And as a student psychologist (graduate work towards an
MFC), I know that MOST humans are BORN with emotional/mental issues.

Right, glad I have my coffee sitting to the side.
But then, you never did learn when to stop lying did you jw?

however we might have developed that ability. And your God is as much
subject to our collective judgement as we are to His - as are His
messengers.


In your opinion. I believe in Yhwh, the God of the Bible, and He is

No, that you do not, you do not even know what yhwh, aka yahweh is or when
it was introduced to the proto Jewish myth.

subject to NO one. He along is Sovereign, He alone is Omnipotent,
Omniscient, He alone is Omnipresent.

& with those claims, you just erased him form being possible.

If you believe that God is subject to mankind, your god is too small.

Better yet, I believe some people believe in a god, but that does not
obligate me to mimic them.

jw

walksalone who has seen this sob story before, & will see jw try it again.
It really is sad, but that was as good as it will ever get.
--
The Hadith Qudsi 6
The first of people against whom judgment will be pronounced on the Day of
Resurrection will be a man who died a martyr. He will be brought and Allah
will make known to him His favours and he will recognize them.
The Almighty will say: And what did you do about them? He will say: I
fought for you until I died a martyr. He will say: You have lied - you did
but fight that it might be said [of you]: He is courageous. And so it was
said.
Then he will be ordered to be dragged along on his face until he is cast
into Hell-fire.
.





User: "14love"

Title: Re: Tsunami leaves 12,600 dead 31 Dec 2004 08:57:03 AM
My apologies for giving the impression that my contact with any ng has
caused any symbolic dream to come up.
It is not so. The dream has been decoded and it is only about the content of
the words and the direction that was about to be taken.
Now the situation has changed again for the better. The good counselor is
back and she was dressing up her two boys giving them good compliments and
being proud of them.
It's all about words and good actions.
In respect for this tragedy please use appropriate entertainment and/or
restrict use only for collecting purposes. Thank you.
May you all have a peaceful and holy new year.
.
User: "bob young"

Title: Re: Tsunami leaves 12,600 dead 01 Jan 2005 09:33:21 PM
14love wrote:

My apologies for giving the impression that my contact with any ng has
caused any symbolic dream to come up.
It is not so. The dream has been decoded and it is only about the content of
the words and the direction that was about to be taken.

Now the situation has changed again for the better. The good counselor is
back and she was dressing up her two boys giving them good compliments and
being proud of them.

It's all about words and good actions.

In respect for this tragedy please use appropriate entertainment and/or
restrict use only for collecting purposes. Thank you.

May you all have a peaceful and holy new year.

When do they let you out for your tablets?
.


User: "Saint Zombie"

Title: Re: Tsunami leaves 12,600 dead 27 Dec 2004 02:17:12 AM
On 26 Dec 2004 23:12:29 -0800,
(martus) wrote:


Luke 21 (New International Version)

Copyright version. Shame shame... ;-)

10Then he said to them: "Nation will rise against nation, and
kingdom against kingdom. 11There will be great earthquakes, famines
and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs
from heaven.

What's new?
.
User: "icono"

Title: Re: Tsunami leaves 12,600 dead 27 Dec 2004 03:16:25 AM
"Saint Zombie" <no.email@truth.org> wrote in message
news:e4hvs09mc823i7cfirmeragpp4rlb4rc9l@4ax.com...

On 26 Dec 2004 23:12:29 -0800,

(martus) wrote:


Luke 21 (New International Version)


Copyright version. Shame shame... ;-)

10Then he said to them: "Nation will rise against nation, and
kingdom against kingdom. 11There will be great earthquakes, famines
and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs
from heaven.


What's new?

Excerpt duly noted are legal according to the preface of the NIV.
12k plus in this disaster is nothing compared with 31k in Iran just a year
ago.
.

User: "j w"

Title: Re: Tsunami leaves 12,600 dead 27 Dec 2004 04:15:38 PM
x-no-archive: yes
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 08:17:12 GMT, Saint Zombie <no.email@truth.org>
wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)

On 26 Dec 2004 23:12:29 -0800,

(martus) wrote:


Luke 21 (New International Version)


Copyright version. Shame shame... ;-)

10Then he said to them: "Nation will rise against nation, and
kingdom against kingdom. 11There will be great earthquakes, famines
and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs
from heaven.


What's new?

This particular "natural disaster" is being called the largest in
recorded history. And the Bible says, "you ain't seen NOTHIN' yet!"
The Bible (Revelation) predicts that 1/3 of mankind will be killed by
natural disasters of one form or another during the Tribulation.
As I've been preaching for some 5 years now, "folks, this IS the
"Great Tribulation."
But don't count on it lasting PRECISELY 7 years. Count on all this
turmoil lasting for as long as it suits God's purposes.
jw
.
User: "bob young"

Title: Re: Tsunami leaves 12,600 dead 01 Jan 2005 09:29:25 PM
RetroProphet wrote:

10Then he said to them: "Nation will rise against nation, and
kingdom against kingdom. 11There will be great earthquakes, famines
and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs
from heaven.


What's new?


This particular "natural disaster" is being called the largest in
recorded history. And the Bible says, "you ain't seen NOTHIN' yet!"

The Bible (Revelation) predicts that 1/3 of mankind will be killed by
natural disasters of one form or another during the Tribulation.

As I've been preaching for some 5 years now, "folks, this IS the
"Great Tribulation."

But don't count on it lasting PRECISELY 7 years. Count on all this
turmoil lasting for as long as it suits God's purposes.

Pretty safe bet, as safe as saying you are a first class nut case!



jw


You sound very excited.

Of course, you do realize that predicting that there
will be great earthquakes in the future is about as sure
a bet as you can make.

There are about 18 major quakes and more than 2 million
minor ones per year, and on average, one exceptionally
big one (magnitude of 8 or higher) each year.

As for the "largest in recorded history" business the
media is bandying about, while it might well be the
most expensive when all is said and done, you'll be
more interested in bodycounts, which apparently is the
chief measure of your primitive god's displeasure.

If you were around in 1976, you were probably filled
with glee that an earthquake killed nearly a quarter
million folks in Tangshan, China. Before any of your
"Great Tribulation" quakes can claim to be deadlier
than any in memory, it will have to beat this one.
Or, you could revamp your "Great Trib" dating scheme
to include 1976. Your call.

Of course, if you really want to top the all-time list,
you have to surpass the Jan. 24, 1556 quake in Shaanxi
(Shensi) Province, China — 830,000 were killed.

But, here's some good news for you. The current disaster
has a very good shot at surpassing the death toll of the
1883 Krakatoa tsunami, which killed 36,000 people.

.

User: "j w"

Title: Re: Tsunami leaves 12,600 dead 28 Dec 2004 03:39:57 PM
x-no-archive: yes
On 28 Dec 2004 02:45:41 -0800, RetroProphet
<RetroProphet_member@newsguy.com> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)


10Then he said to them: "Nation will rise against nation, and
kingdom against kingdom. 11There will be great earthquakes, famines
and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs
from heaven.


What's new?


This particular "natural disaster" is being called the largest in
recorded history. And the Bible says, "you ain't seen NOTHIN' yet!"

The Bible (Revelation) predicts that 1/3 of mankind will be killed by
natural disasters of one form or another during the Tribulation.

As I've been preaching for some 5 years now, "folks, this IS the
"Great Tribulation."

But don't count on it lasting PRECISELY 7 years. Count on all this
turmoil lasting for as long as it suits God's purposes.

jw



You sound very excited.

What I am excited about is seeing the fulfillment of thousand year old
prophesies about Christ's return unfolding in my lifetime.


Of course, you do realize that predicting that there
will be great earthquakes in the future is about as sure
a bet as you can make.

I am confident in my God. The Bible predicts that "natural disasters"
of various kinds will kill 1/3 of mankind before He returns. As the
death toll in Asia climbs above the 60,000 mark, and the scientists
are saying "the snake is out of the box" and we can expect MANY more
similar, and even more disastrous events in the near future, that is
PRECISELY what the Bible says.
So don't kill the messenger, ok?
Just because the Bible prophesies are being fulfilled QUITE literally,
is no reason to crucify God's messengers.


There are about 18 major quakes and more than 2 million
minor ones per year, and on average, one exceptionally
big one (magnitude of 8 or higher) each year.

As for the "largest in recorded history" business the
media is bandying about, while it might well be the
most expensive when all is said and done, you'll be
more interested in bodycounts, which apparently is the
chief measure of your primitive god's displeasure.

As you like. You are obviously beyond any reason or POV beyond yours.
At least when He returns among the devastation your unbelief has
caused, you will not have an excuse that you were not warned.
I can hear Him now: " RP, John Weatherly and MANY other fervent
Christians warned you!"
Would you turn a deaf ear to your doctor?
Well, I am a spiritual doctor.
jw
.
User: "RetroProphet"

Title: Re: Tsunami leaves 12,600 dead 28 Dec 2004 07:21:09 PM

10Then he said to them: "Nation will rise against nation, and
kingdom against kingdom. 11There will be great earthquakes, famines
and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs
from heaven.


What's new?


This particular "natural disaster" is being called the largest in
recorded history. And the Bible says, "you ain't seen NOTHIN' yet!"

The Bible (Revelation) predicts that 1/3 of mankind will be killed by
natural disasters of one form or another during the Tribulation.

As I've been preaching for some 5 years now, "folks, this IS the
"Great Tribulation."

But don't count on it lasting PRECISELY 7 years. Count on all this
turmoil lasting for as long as it suits God's purposes.

jw



You sound very excited.


What I am excited about is seeing the fulfillment of thousand year old
prophesies about Christ's return unfolding in my lifetime.

Identical delusions have excited many before you.
And probably will for all time, there being no shortage
of those willing to forsake reason for blind faith in
ancient fantasies.


Of course, you do realize that predicting that there
will be great earthquakes in the future is about as sure
a bet as you can make.


I am confident in my God. The Bible predicts that "natural disasters"
of various kinds will kill 1/3 of mankind before He returns. As the
death toll in Asia climbs above the 60,000 mark, and the scientists
are saying "the snake is out of the box" and we can expect MANY more
similar, and even more disastrous events in the near future, that is
PRECISELY what the Bible says.

So don't kill the messenger, ok?

Just because the Bible prophesies are being fulfilled QUITE literally,