Religions > Bible > Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !!
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"Egalitarian" |
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28 Jan 2007 09:24:51 AM |
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Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
There are two ways to get our troops OUT of
Iraq - **NOW** !!
There's a good way and bad way.
First - the BAD way. That's the way it was done
this last week. 43 of them were killed. Thus, fully 43
of them *immediately* got out of Iraq. But the problem
with doing it that way is that it's rough on their families
and probably is rock bottom on the list of priorities that
most soldiers would have by way of methods of redeploy-
ment out of there. And too, it would take 'way too long.
At that rate -- around 5,000 per year -- it would take over
25 years to get them all out of Iraq. Warmonger-in-Thief
Bush is probably the *only* person who'd like to see us
being stuck there for that long.
Then there's the GOOD way: Congress immediately
and with the full force of law totally DE-FUNDS the war,
with the sole exception of the amount of money that it
would take to IMMEDIATELY get **all** of our troops
out of these, and back to America safely. That would
save countless of our soldiers' lives, and enable the
USA to regain some of the respect it lost worldwide
when the a-hole who stole the White House illegally
invaded another sovereign nation after LYING to every-
one in order to CON them into supporting his idiocy.
Some people disagree with the latter method. It
would be interesting to know how many of those same
people also are bone-dumb enough to be RRR Cult
lemmings.
- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
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| User: "Joe Irvin" |
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10 Feb 2007 12:30:07 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:090220071850384988%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <eqifc9$i72$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
The reason Air America struggles, as opposed to Right Wing radio, is
that liberals think, conservatives are sheep. They just need their
hatred stamped with approval. It is well know that people like Rush
Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O¹Reilly, Fox ³NEWS² in general, and
other
conservatives are just plain LYING. But the Right Wing LIKES that.
It
is hard for liberal radio to compete. Liberals think, conservatives
listen.
What and elitest attitude ... the American people are so gullible they
cannot figure things out for themselves.
That is where Fox ³NEWS² comes in.
Yes, and it takes elitist (divine deciders of truth) like Honest Ray,
Buffalo Bob and yourself Big Deal Bob. We common folk can't think for
ourselves.
Here is a good example of how Fox ³NEWS² is ³fair and balanced.²
Today, it was ³discovered² that the Bush White House and the Pentagon
under Bush had deliberately used phony intelligence to get us into the
war and get thousands of Americans killed. CNN told America about it:
Its not about Fox News or CNN ... its about a bunch of elitists who want to
tell American how and what to think ... these elitist reside on the 'left'
.... The American people aren't buying into that and seek there news from
many other sources of which Fox News is one, but others include talk radio
and the internet.
<http://tinyurl.com/3x62tw>
Fox ³NEWS² has this:
<http://www.foxnews.com/politics/index.html>
We Report. You Decide. ROFLMAO!
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
10 Feb 2007 01:39:20 PM |
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Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:090220071850384988%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <eqifc9$i72$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
The reason Air America struggles, as opposed to Right Wing radio, is
that liberals think, conservatives are sheep. They just need their
hatred stamped with approval. It is well know that people like Rush
Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O¹Reilly, Fox ³NEWS² in general, and
other
conservatives are just plain LYING. But the Right Wing LIKES that.
It
is hard for liberal radio to compete. Liberals think, conservatives
listen.
What and elitest attitude ... the American people are so gullible they
cannot figure things out for themselves.
That is where Fox ³NEWS² comes in.
Yes, and it takes elitist (divine deciders of truth) like Honest Ray,
Buffalo Bob and yourself Big Deal Bob. We common folk can't think for
ourselves.
Here is a good example of how Fox ³NEWS² is ³fair and balanced.²
Today, it was ³discovered² that the Bush White House and the Pentagon
under Bush had deliberately used phony intelligence to get us into the
war and get thousands of Americans killed. CNN told America about it:
Its not about Fox News or CNN ... its about a bunch of elitists who want to
tell American how and what to think ... these elitist reside on the 'left'
LOL! And yet it is the "right" which controls most of the media and
which is telling fools like you what to think. You only believe that
it's the "left" that's elitist because that's what you're told to
believe.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Joe Irvin" |
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| Title: Re: Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
11 Feb 2007 01:46:32 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:45ce1f68$0$14083$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:090220071850384988%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <eqifc9$i72$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
The reason Air America struggles, as opposed to Right Wing radio,
is
that liberals think, conservatives are sheep. They just need
their
hatred stamped with approval. It is well know that people like
Rush
Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O¹Reilly, Fox ³NEWS² in general, and
other
conservatives are just plain LYING. But the Right Wing LIKES
that.
It
is hard for liberal radio to compete. Liberals think,
conservatives
listen.
What and elitest attitude ... the American people are so gullible
they
cannot figure things out for themselves.
That is where Fox ³NEWS² comes in.
Yes, and it takes elitist (divine deciders of truth) like Honest Ray,
Buffalo Bob and yourself Big Deal Bob. We common folk can't think for
ourselves.
Here is a good example of how Fox ³NEWS² is ³fair and balanced.²
Today, it was ³discovered² that the Bush White House and the Pentagon
under Bush had deliberately used phony intelligence to get us into the
war and get thousands of Americans killed. CNN told America about it:
Its not about Fox News or CNN ... its about a bunch of elitists who want
to
tell American how and what to think ... these elitist reside on the 'left'
LOL! And yet it is the "right" which controls most of the media and
which is telling fools like you what to think. You only believe that
it's the "left" that's elitist because that's what you're told to
believe.
Please Honest Ray, I said nothing about *who* controls the media, I said:
"its about a bunch of elitists who want to tell American how and what to
think ... these elitist reside on the 'left'" ... I stand by that:
In the most recent survey, 40% of journalists described themselves as being
on the left side of the political spectrum (31% said they were "a little to
the left" and 9% "pretty far to the left"). But that number was down
notably, seven percentage points from 1992, when 47% said they leaned
leftward.
The percentage of "middle of the roaders" moved up slightly to 33% in 2002
from 30% in 1992. And the number of journalists identifying themselves
leaning toward the political right also inched up to 25% from 22% a decade
earlier (20% "a little to the right" and 5% "pretty far to the right").
The findings, interestingly, stop a trend of newsrooms becoming more liberal
that the authors detected between 1982 and 1992.
And: The research from Weaver and his colleagues echoes the findings of a
Pew Research Center survey from 2004 revealing that while the majority of
journalists described themselves as moderate, they were clearly to the left
of the public. One example was that journalists were considerably more
willing to say that society should accept homosexuality than the average
citizen was. http://www.journalism.org/node/2304
And note that "journalists described themselves as moderate, they were
clearly to the left of the public" ... CLEARLY TO THE LEFT OF THE PUBLIC.
One thing can be said is that the trend is more toward the right. Also top
colleges the journalism schools are overwhelmingly filled with Democrats:
Columbia Univ 15 Dems - 1 Rep, New York U 8 Dems - 2 Rep, Northwestern
University 12 Dems - 3 Rep, Ohio Univ 9 Dems -2 Rep, Syracuse Univ 27 Dem -
6 Rep, Univ of Cal, Berkeley 10 Dems - 0 Rep, Un of Kan 8 Dems - 10 Rep,
Univ NC 18 Dem - 4 Rep, Univ So Calif 13 Dem - 1. The only journalism
school that had more Republicans was Univ of Kansas. There are profs that
listed themselves as Nonpartisan, and some didn't register.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/pdf/journalismandlawschoolstudytwo.pdf
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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11 Feb 2007 02:18:28 PM |
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Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:45ce1f68$0$14083$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:090220071850384988%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <eqifc9$i72$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
The reason Air America struggles, as opposed to Right Wing radio,
is
that liberals think, conservatives are sheep. They just need
their
hatred stamped with approval. It is well know that people like
Rush
Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O¹Reilly, Fox ³NEWS² in general, and
other
conservatives are just plain LYING. But the Right Wing LIKES
that.
It
is hard for liberal radio to compete. Liberals think,
conservatives
listen.
What and elitest attitude ... the American people are so gullible
they
cannot figure things out for themselves.
That is where Fox ³NEWS² comes in.
Yes, and it takes elitist (divine deciders of truth) like Honest Ray,
Buffalo Bob and yourself Big Deal Bob. We common folk can't think for
ourselves.
Here is a good example of how Fox ³NEWS² is ³fair and balanced.²
Today, it was ³discovered² that the Bush White House and the Pentagon
under Bush had deliberately used phony intelligence to get us into the
war and get thousands of Americans killed. CNN told America about it:
Its not about Fox News or CNN ... its about a bunch of elitists who want
to
tell American how and what to think ... these elitist reside on the 'left'
LOL! And yet it is the "right" which controls most of the media and
which is telling fools like you what to think. You only believe that
it's the "left" that's elitist because that's what you're told to
believe.
Please Honest Ray, I said nothing about *who* controls the media, I said:
"its about a bunch of elitists who want to tell American how and what to
think ... these elitist reside on the 'left'" ..
People like Limbaugh and O'Reilly and Faux news.
Idiot.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Joe Irvin" |
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11 Feb 2007 04:50:47 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:45cf7a14$0$14077$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:45ce1f68$0$14083$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:090220071850384988%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <eqifc9$i72$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
The reason Air America struggles, as opposed to Right Wing
radio,
is
that liberals think, conservatives are sheep. They just need
their
hatred stamped with approval. It is well know that people like
Rush
Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O¹Reilly, Fox ³NEWS² in general,
and
other
conservatives are just plain LYING. But the Right Wing LIKES
that.
It
is hard for liberal radio to compete. Liberals think,
conservatives
listen.
What and elitest attitude ... the American people are so gullible
they
cannot figure things out for themselves.
That is where Fox ³NEWS² comes in.
Yes, and it takes elitist (divine deciders of truth) like Honest Ray,
Buffalo Bob and yourself Big Deal Bob. We common folk can't think
for
ourselves.
Here is a good example of how Fox ³NEWS² is ³fair and balanced.²
Today, it was ³discovered² that the Bush White House and the Pentagon
under Bush had deliberately used phony intelligence to get us into the
war and get thousands of Americans killed. CNN told America about it:
Its not about Fox News or CNN ... its about a bunch of elitists who want
to
tell American how and what to think ... these elitist reside on the
'left'
LOL! And yet it is the "right" which controls most of the media and
which is telling fools like you what to think. You only believe that
it's the "left" that's elitist because that's what you're told to
believe.
Please Honest Ray, I said nothing about *who* controls the media, I said:
"its about a bunch of elitists who want to tell American how and what to
think ... these elitist reside on the 'left'" ..
People like Limbaugh and O'Reilly and Faux news.
There you go again, Honest Ray snipping my argument that make your argument
so rediculous. I not only give the bias of the media, but the bias of the
journalism schools. Anyway here it is again, Honest Ray. Please Honest Ray,
I said nothing about *who* controls the media, I said:
"its about a bunch of elitists who want to tell American how and what to
think ... these elitist reside on the 'left'" ... I stand by that:
In the most recent survey, 40% of journalists described themselves as being
on the left side of the political spectrum (31% said they were "a little to
the left" and 9% "pretty far to the left"). But that number was down
notably, seven percentage points from 1992, when 47% said they leaned
leftward.
The percentage of "middle of the roaders" moved up slightly to 33% in 2002
from 30% in 1992. And the number of journalists identifying themselves
leaning toward the political right also inched up to 25% from 22% a decade
earlier (20% "a little to the right" and 5% "pretty far to the right").
The findings, interestingly, stop a trend of newsrooms becoming more liberal
that the authors detected between 1982 and 1992.
And: The research from Weaver and his colleagues echoes the findings of a
Pew Research Center survey from 2004 revealing that while the majority of
journalists described themselves as moderate, they were clearly to the left
of the public. One example was that journalists were considerably more
willing to say that society should accept homosexuality than the average
citizen was. http://www.journalism.org/node/2304
And note that "journalists described themselves as moderate, they were
clearly to the left of the public" ... CLEARLY TO THE LEFT OF THE PUBLIC.
One thing can be said is that the trend is more toward the right. Also top
colleges the journalism schools are overwhelmingly filled with Democrats:
Columbia Univ 15 Dems - 1 Rep, New York U 8 Dems - 2 Rep, Northwestern
University 12 Dems - 3 Rep, Ohio Univ 9 Dems -2 Rep, Syracuse Univ 27 Dem -
6 Rep, Univ of Cal, Berkeley 10 Dems - 0 Rep, Un of Kan 8 Dems - 10 Rep,
Univ NC 18 Dem - 4 Rep, Univ So Calif 13 Dem - 1. The only journalism
school that had more Republicans was Univ of Kansas. There are profs that
listed themselves as Nonpartisan, and some didn't register.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/pdf/journalismandlawschoolstudytwo.pdf
Idiot.
May be, but not dishonest.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
07 Feb 2007 01:09:55 PM |
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Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:070220070728599911%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <eqconj$hap$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:060220072133189063%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <fQcyh.28479$Xq6.17645@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
weatherwax <weatherwax@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
Why has the price of oil at times been at its highest while
we are there if it was suppose to keep the price of oil
down?
Instability in the region. Bush thought it was going to be a
cake walk.
Bush actually predicted that oil revenues would pay for the war and
the
rebuilding of Iraq. I suspect that oil revenues in the entire middle
east
are going into the civil war in Iraq.
The list of incompetent actions by Bush and his cronies is nearly
endless.
And I've never denied that the present administration has made many
mistakes.
That minimizes it. They are incompetent and they lied.
I wouldn't say incompetent, I would say he is the 1st President of the last
few administrations that has taken the Muslim jihadists seriously.
By invading a country which had nothing to do with "Muslim jihadists"
and continuing to be allies with those countries that harbor and
promote "Muslim jihadists".
What flavor was your KoolAid?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Joe Irvin" |
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| Title: Re: Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
07 Feb 2007 01:42:27 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:45ca2403$0$80079$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:070220070728599911%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <eqconj$hap$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:060220072133189063%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article
<fQcyh.28479$Xq6.17645@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
weatherwax <weatherwax@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
Why has the price of oil at times been at its highest while
we are there if it was suppose to keep the price of oil
down?
Instability in the region. Bush thought it was going to be a
cake walk.
Bush actually predicted that oil revenues would pay for the war and
the
rebuilding of Iraq. I suspect that oil revenues in the entire
middle
east
are going into the civil war in Iraq.
The list of incompetent actions by Bush and his cronies is nearly
endless.
And I've never denied that the present administration has made many
mistakes.
That minimizes it. They are incompetent and they lied.
I wouldn't say incompetent, I would say he is the 1st President of the
last
few administrations that has taken the Muslim jihadists seriously.
By invading a country which had nothing to do with "Muslim jihadists"
and continuing to be allies with those countries that harbor and
promote "Muslim jihadists".
Pay attention Honest Ray, Iraq was invaded because it was thought by most
everyone that Saddam had WMD's ... violations of the agreement that ended
the Gulf war etc.
What flavor was your KoolAid?
Jim Jones grape, Honest Ray.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
07 Feb 2007 10:08:54 PM |
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In article <eqda30$3js$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
Bush actually predicted that oil revenues would pay for the war and
the
rebuilding of Iraq. I suspect that oil revenues in the entire
middle
east
are going into the civil war in Iraq.
The list of incompetent actions by Bush and his cronies is nearly
endless.
And I've never denied that the present administration has made many
mistakes.
That minimizes it. They are incompetent and they lied.
I wouldn't say incompetent, I would say he is the 1st President of the
last
few administrations that has taken the Muslim jihadists seriously.
By invading a country which had nothing to do with "Muslim jihadists"
and continuing to be allies with those countries that harbor and
promote "Muslim jihadists".
Pay attention Honest Ray, Iraq was invaded because it was thought by most
everyone that Saddam had WMD's ... violations of the agreement that ended
the Gulf war etc.
Bush never ³thought² that.
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| User: "Joe Irvin" |
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| Title: Re: Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
08 Feb 2007 08:21:01 AM |
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"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:070220072008546295%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <eqda30$3js$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
Bush actually predicted that oil revenues would pay for the war
and
the
rebuilding of Iraq. I suspect that oil revenues in the entire
middle
east
are going into the civil war in Iraq.
The list of incompetent actions by Bush and his cronies is nearly
endless.
And I've never denied that the present administration has made many
mistakes.
That minimizes it. They are incompetent and they lied.
I wouldn't say incompetent, I would say he is the 1st President of the
last
few administrations that has taken the Muslim jihadists seriously.
By invading a country which had nothing to do with "Muslim jihadists"
and continuing to be allies with those countries that harbor and
promote "Muslim jihadists".
Pay attention Honest Ray, Iraq was invaded because it was thought by
most
everyone that Saddam had WMD's ... violations of the agreement that ended
the Gulf war etc.
Bush never ³thought² that.
Not only Bush thought that, but many in the previous administration and many
of the intell services around the world ... that Saddam had WMD's Read:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007540 You guys know better
though huh?
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
08 Feb 2007 10:05:11 AM |
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In article <eqfbka$714$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:070220072008546295%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <eqda30$3js$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
Bush actually predicted that oil revenues would pay for the war
and
the
rebuilding of Iraq. I suspect that oil revenues in the entire
middle
east
are going into the civil war in Iraq.
The list of incompetent actions by Bush and his cronies is nearly
endless.
And I've never denied that the present administration has made many
mistakes.
That minimizes it. They are incompetent and they lied.
I wouldn't say incompetent, I would say he is the 1st President of the
last
few administrations that has taken the Muslim jihadists seriously.
By invading a country which had nothing to do with "Muslim jihadists"
and continuing to be allies with those countries that harbor and
promote "Muslim jihadists".
Pay attention Honest Ray, Iraq was invaded because it was thought by
most
everyone that Saddam had WMD's ... violations of the agreement that ended
the Gulf war etc.
Bush never ³thought² that.
Not only Bush thought that, but many in the previous administration and many
of the intell services around the world ... that Saddam had WMD's Read:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007540 You guys know better
though huh?
That is called ³Opinion Journal² for a reason. Further, it is dated
November 14, 2005. We now have more information that Bush LIED.
Of course, you are in denial.
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| User: "Joe Irvin" |
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| Title: Re: Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
08 Feb 2007 11:44:01 AM |
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"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:080220070805116219%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <eqfbka$714$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:070220072008546295%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <eqda30$3js$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
Bush actually predicted that oil revenues would pay for the
war
and
the
rebuilding of Iraq. I suspect that oil revenues in the
entire
middle
east
are going into the civil war in Iraq.
The list of incompetent actions by Bush and his cronies is
nearly
endless.
And I've never denied that the present administration has made
many
mistakes.
That minimizes it. They are incompetent and they lied.
I wouldn't say incompetent, I would say he is the 1st President of
the
last
few administrations that has taken the Muslim jihadists seriously.
By invading a country which had nothing to do with "Muslim
jihadists"
and continuing to be allies with those countries that harbor and
promote "Muslim jihadists".
Pay attention Honest Ray, Iraq was invaded because it was thought by
most
everyone that Saddam had WMD's ... violations of the agreement that
ended
the Gulf war etc.
Bush never ³thought² that.
Not only Bush thought that, but many in the previous administration and
many
of the intell services around the world ... that Saddam had WMD's Read:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007540 You guys know better
though huh?
That is called ³Opinion Journal² for a reason. Further, it is dated
November 14, 2005. We now have more information that Bush LIED.
Oh, David you are getting just like Honest Ray, slamming the article rather
than what it says ... the quotes from Hans Blix/Harry Reed/Albright etc.
Its not important here that the people that as you say 'were actually
there', but it was very important to believe R. Clarke because he was there.
Yes you are so inconsistent in your argument its hard to believe anything
you say. Things that are important to you are the things that support only
your point of view/opinon ... very closed minded approach. I've taken your
views/quotes into consideration and even believed some ... Richar Clarke ...
but your mind is made up ...
Of course, you are in denial.
No, you are as can be seen by your inconsistencies.
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08 Feb 2007 09:36:21 PM |
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In article <eqfngu$j5s$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:080220070805116219%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <eqfbka$714$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:070220072008546295%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <eqda30$3js$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
Bush actually predicted that oil revenues would pay for the
war
and
the
rebuilding of Iraq. I suspect that oil revenues in the
entire
middle
east
are going into the civil war in Iraq.
The list of incompetent actions by Bush and his cronies is
nearly
endless.
And I've never denied that the present administration has made
many
mistakes.
That minimizes it. They are incompetent and they lied.
I wouldn't say incompetent, I would say he is the 1st President of
the
last
few administrations that has taken the Muslim jihadists seriously.
By invading a country which had nothing to do with "Muslim
jihadists"
and continuing to be allies with those countries that harbor and
promote "Muslim jihadists".
Pay attention Honest Ray, Iraq was invaded because it was thought by
most
everyone that Saddam had WMD's ... violations of the agreement that
ended
the Gulf war etc.
Bush never ³thought² that.
Not only Bush thought that, but many in the previous administration and
many
of the intell services around the world ... that Saddam had WMD's Read:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007540 You guys know better
though huh?
That is called ³Opinion Journal² for a reason. Further, it is dated
November 14, 2005. We now have more information that Bush LIED.
Oh, David you are getting just like Honest Ray,
Thanks!
slamming the article rather
than what it says ...
It wasn¹t an article. It was an opinion.
the quotes from Hans Blix/Harry Reed/Albright etc.
The out of context ones in support of the Right Wing opinion?
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| User: "Joe Irvin" |
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09 Feb 2007 09:22:56 AM |
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"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:080220071936214458%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <eqfngu$j5s$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:080220070805116219%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <eqfbka$714$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:070220072008546295%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <eqda30$3js$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
Bush actually predicted that oil revenues would pay for the
war
and
the
rebuilding of Iraq. I suspect that oil revenues in the
entire
middle
east
are going into the civil war in Iraq.
The list of incompetent actions by Bush and his cronies is
nearly
endless.
And I've never denied that the present administration has made
many
mistakes.
That minimizes it. They are incompetent and they lied.
I wouldn't say incompetent, I would say he is the 1st President
of
the
last
few administrations that has taken the Muslim jihadists
seriously.
By invading a country which had nothing to do with "Muslim
jihadists"
and continuing to be allies with those countries that harbor and
promote "Muslim jihadists".
Pay attention Honest Ray, Iraq was invaded because it was thought
by
most
everyone that Saddam had WMD's ... violations of the agreement that
ended
the Gulf war etc.
Bush never ³thought² that.
Not only Bush thought that, but many in the previous administration
and
many
of the intell services around the world ... that Saddam had WMD's
Read:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007540 You guys know
better
though huh?
That is called ³Opinion Journal² for a reason. Further, it is dated
November 14, 2005. We now have more information that Bush LIED.
Oh, David you are getting just like Honest Ray,
Thanks!
slamming the article rather
than what it says ...
It wasn¹t an article. It was an opinion.
It was an opinion back up by quotes from documents ... quotes from documents
I noticed you left out ... I'm sure it wasn't on purpose. If its just
opinion, its just that an opinion ... but if it has cites from govt
documents it gives credibility. Now you on the other hand can know that
'its an Arab/Arab problem means ... Saddam you can count on the US not
getting involved if you invade Kuwait. And when R Clarke says he wasn't
coerced to fix intell, it really meant to fix intell. Yes David it the
truth you are after.
the quotes from Hans Blix/Harry Reed/Albright etc.
The out of context ones in support of the Right Wing opinion?
Of course it was, because you know that. And you know it was out of context
because, well because you know it was, and you do not have to prove it.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
09 Feb 2007 09:55:22 AM |
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In article <eqi3kd$59k$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:080220071936214458%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <eqfngu$j5s$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:080220070805116219%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <eqfbka$714$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:070220072008546295%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <eqda30$3js$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
Bush actually predicted that oil revenues would pay for the
war
and
the
rebuilding of Iraq. I suspect that oil revenues in the
entire
middle
east
are going into the civil war in Iraq.
The list of incompetent actions by Bush and his cronies is
nearly
endless.
And I've never denied that the present administration has made
many
mistakes.
That minimizes it. They are incompetent and they lied.
I wouldn't say incompetent, I would say he is the 1st President
of
the
last
few administrations that has taken the Muslim jihadists
seriously.
By invading a country which had nothing to do with "Muslim
jihadists"
and continuing to be allies with those countries that harbor and
promote "Muslim jihadists".
Pay attention Honest Ray, Iraq was invaded because it was thought
by
most
everyone that Saddam had WMD's ... violations of the agreement that
ended
the Gulf war etc.
Bush never ³thought² that.
Not only Bush thought that, but many in the previous administration
and
many
of the intell services around the world ... that Saddam had WMD's
Read:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007540 You guys know
better
though huh?
That is called ³Opinion Journal² for a reason. Further, it is dated
November 14, 2005. We now have more information that Bush LIED.
Oh, David you are getting just like Honest Ray,
Thanks!
slamming the article rather
than what it says ...
It wasn¹t an article. It was an opinion.
It was an opinion back up by quotes from documents ... quotes from documents
Out of context quotes from questionable sources.
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| User: "Joe Irvin" |
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| Title: Re: Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
09 Feb 2007 12:23:21 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:090220070755226001%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <eqi3kd$59k$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:080220071936214458%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <eqfngu$j5s$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:080220070805116219%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <eqfbka$714$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:070220072008546295%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <eqda30$3js$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
Bush actually predicted that oil revenues would pay for
the
war
and
the
rebuilding of Iraq. I suspect that oil revenues in the
entire
middle
east
are going into the civil war in Iraq.
The list of incompetent actions by Bush and his cronies
is
nearly
endless.
And I've never denied that the present administration has
made
many
mistakes.
That minimizes it. They are incompetent and they lied.
I wouldn't say incompetent, I would say he is the 1st
President
of
the
last
few administrations that has taken the Muslim jihadists
seriously.
By invading a country which had nothing to do with "Muslim
jihadists"
and continuing to be allies with those countries that harbor
and
promote "Muslim jihadists".
Pay attention Honest Ray, Iraq was invaded because it was
thought
by
most
everyone that Saddam had WMD's ... violations of the agreement
that
ended
the Gulf war etc.
Bush never ³thought² that.
Not only Bush thought that, but many in the previous administration
and
many
of the intell services around the world ... that Saddam had WMD's
Read:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007540 You guys know
better
though huh?
That is called ³Opinion Journal² for a reason. Further, it is dated
November 14, 2005. We now have more information that Bush LIED.
Oh, David you are getting just like Honest Ray,
Thanks!
slamming the article rather
than what it says ...
It wasn¹t an article. It was an opinion.
It was an opinion back up by quotes from documents ... quotes from
documents
Out of context quotes from questionable sources.
Ok, divine decider of the truth.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
09 Feb 2007 10:27:08 AM |
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Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:080220071936214458%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <eqfngu$j5s$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:080220070805116219%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <eqfbka$714$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:070220072008546295%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <eqda30$3js$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
Bush actually predicted that oil revenues would pay for the
war
and
the
rebuilding of Iraq. I suspect that oil revenues in the
entire
middle
east
are going into the civil war in Iraq.
The list of incompetent actions by Bush and his cronies is
nearly
endless.
And I've never denied that the present administration has made
many
mistakes.
That minimizes it. They are incompetent and they lied.
I wouldn't say incompetent, I would say he is the 1st President
of
the
last
few administrations that has taken the Muslim jihadists
seriously.
By invading a country which had nothing to do with "Muslim
jihadists"
and continuing to be allies with those countries that harbor and
promote "Muslim jihadists".
Pay attention Honest Ray, Iraq was invaded because it was thought
by
most
everyone that Saddam had WMD's ... violations of the agreement that
ended
the Gulf war etc.
Bush never ³thought² that.
Not only Bush thought that, but many in the previous administration
and
many
of the intell services around the world ... that Saddam had WMD's
Read:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007540 You guys know
better
though huh?
That is called ³Opinion Journal² for a reason. Further, it is dated
November 14, 2005. We now have more information that Bush LIED.
Oh, David you are getting just like Honest Ray,
Thanks!
slamming the article rather
than what it says ...
It wasn¹t an article. It was an opinion.
It was an opinion back up by quotes from documents ... quotes from documents
WASHINGTON February 9, 2007, 11:15 a.m. ET · A "very damning"
report by the Defense Department's inspector general depicts a
Pentagon that purposely manipulated intelligence in an effort to
link Saddam Hussein to al-Qaida in the runup to the U.S. invasion
of Iraq, says the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.
"That was the argument that was used to make the sale to the
American people about the need to go to war," said Sen. Carl
Levin, D-Mich. He said the Pentagon's work, "which was wrong,
which was distorted, which was inappropriate ... is something
which is highly disturbing."
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7289295
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Joe Irvin" |
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| Title: Re: Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
09 Feb 2007 01:23:19 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:45cca0dc$0$14142$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:080220071936214458%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <eqfngu$j5s$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:080220070805116219%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <eqfbka$714$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:070220072008546295%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <eqda30$3js$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
Bush actually predicted that oil revenues would pay for
the
war
and
the
rebuilding of Iraq. I suspect that oil revenues in the
entire
middle
east
are going into the civil war in Iraq.
The list of incompetent actions by Bush and his cronies is
nearly
endless.
And I've never denied that the present administration has
made
many
mistakes.
That minimizes it. They are incompetent and they lied.
I wouldn't say incompetent, I would say he is the 1st President
of
the
last
few administrations that has taken the Muslim jihadists
seriously.
By invading a country which had nothing to do with "Muslim
jihadists"
and continuing to be allies with those countries that harbor
and
promote "Muslim jihadists".
Pay attention Honest Ray, Iraq was invaded because it was
thought
by
most
everyone that Saddam had WMD's ... violations of the agreement
that
ended
the Gulf war etc.
Bush never ³thought² that.
Not only Bush thought that, but many in the previous administration
and
many
of the intell services around the world ... that Saddam had WMD's
Read:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007540 You guys know
better
though huh?
That is called ³Opinion Journal² for a reason. Further, it is dated
November 14, 2005. We now have more information that Bush LIED.
Oh, David you are getting just like Honest Ray,
Thanks!
slamming the article rather
than what it says ...
It wasn¹t an article. It was an opinion.
It was an opinion back up by quotes from documents ... quotes from
documents
WASHINGTON February 9, 2007, 11:15 a.m. ET · A "very damning"
report by the Defense Department's inspector general depicts a
Pentagon that purposely manipulated intelligence in an effort to
link Saddam Hussein to al-Qaida in the runup to the U.S. invasion
of Iraq, says the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.
"That was the argument that was used to make the sale to the
American people about the need to go to war," said Sen. Carl
Levin, D-Mich. He said the Pentagon's work, "which was wrong,
which was distorted, which was inappropriate ... is something
which is highly disturbing."
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7289295
See another post ... I addressed this.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
08 Feb 2007 10:45:02 PM |
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Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:070220072008546295%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <eqda30$3js$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
Bush actually predicted that oil revenues would pay for the war
and
the
rebuilding of Iraq. I suspect that oil revenues in the entire
middle
east
are going into the civil war in Iraq.
The list of incompetent actions by Bush and his cronies is nearly
endless.
And I've never denied that the present administration has made many
mistakes.
That minimizes it. They are incompetent and they lied.
I wouldn't say incompetent, I would say he is the 1st President of the
last
few administrations that has taken the Muslim jihadists seriously.
By invading a country which had nothing to do with "Muslim jihadists"
and continuing to be allies with those countries that harbor and
promote "Muslim jihadists".
Pay attention Honest Ray, Iraq was invaded because it was thought by
most
everyone that Saddam had WMD's ... violations of the agreement that ended
the Gulf war etc.
Bush never ³thought² that.
Not only Bush thought that, but many in the previous administration and many
of the intell services around the world ... that Saddam had WMD's Read:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007540
How about something more than just the opinion of someone who works
for a pro-Republican newspaper?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
08 Feb 2007 10:48:24 PM |
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Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
Pay attention Honest Ray, Iraq was invaded because it was thought by
most
everyone that Saddam had WMD's ... violations of the agreement that ended
the Gulf war etc.
Bush never ³thought² that.
Not only Bush thought that, but many in the previous administration and many
Say, where is phase two of the Senate Report of Pre-war Intelligence
on Iraq? The one where the Senate was going to look at how the Bush
administration (mis)used the intelligence?
Oh, right, the Republicans have been suppressing it. They're hiding
something. And as long as you're not told the truth you'll keep
believing in a lie.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Joe Irvin" |
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| Title: Re: Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
09 Feb 2007 09:25:56 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:45cbfd18$0$14136$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
Pay attention Honest Ray, Iraq was invaded because it was thought by
most
everyone that Saddam had WMD's ... violations of the agreement that
ended
the Gulf war etc.
Bush never ³thought² that.
Not only Bush thought that, but many in the previous administration and
many
Say, where is phase two of the Senate Report of Pre-war Intelligence
on Iraq? The one where the Senate was going to look at how the Bush
administration (mis)used the intelligence?
Honest Ray, I don't know ... maybe it was because they found no 'intell
fixing' when they investigated the terrible shape of our intell gather
techniques. But if there is one why don't you point it out.
Oh, right, the Republicans have been suppressing it. They're hiding
something. And as long as you're not told the truth you'll keep
believing in a lie.
Honest Ray, I'm a chump, tell me and I'll believe.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
09 Feb 2007 10:27:51 AM |
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Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:45cbfd18$0$14136$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
Pay attention Honest Ray, Iraq was invaded because it was thought by
most
everyone that Saddam had WMD's ... violations of the agreement that
ended
the Gulf war etc.
Bush never ³thought² that.
Not only Bush thought that, but many in the previous administration and
many
Say, where is phase two of the Senate Report of Pre-war Intelligence
on Iraq? The one where the Senate was going to look at how the Bush
administration (mis)used the intelligence?
Honest Ray, I don't know ...
"I don't know" is a damn poor reason for killing people.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Joe Irvin" |
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| Title: Re: Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
09 Feb 2007 12:24:14 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:45cca107$0$14142$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:45cbfd18$0$14136$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
Pay attention Honest Ray, Iraq was invaded because it was thought by
most
everyone that Saddam had WMD's ... violations of the agreement that
ended
the Gulf war etc.
Bush never ³thought² that.
Not only Bush thought that, but many in the previous administration and
many
Say, where is phase two of the Senate Report of Pre-war Intelligence
on Iraq? The one where the Senate was going to look at how the Bush
administration (mis)used the intelligence?
Honest Ray, I don't know ...
"I don't know" is a damn poor reason for killing people.
I agree, Honest Ray.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
09 Feb 2007 12:45:47 PM |
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Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:45cca107$0$14142$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:45cbfd18$0$14136$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
Pay attention Honest Ray, Iraq was invaded because it was thought by
most
everyone that Saddam had WMD's ... violations of the agreement that
ended
the Gulf war etc.
Bush never ³thought² that.
Not only Bush thought that, but many in the previous administration and
many
Say, where is phase two of the Senate Report of Pre-war Intelligence
on Iraq? The one where the Senate was going to look at how the Bush
administration (mis)used the intelligence?
Honest Ray, I don't know ...
"I don't know" is a damn poor reason for killing people.
I agree, Honest Ray.
And yet you still want to kill people.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Joe Irvin" |
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| Title: Re: Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
09 Feb 2007 01:33:28 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:45ccc15b$0$14106$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:45cca107$0$14142$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:45cbfd18$0$14136$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
Pay attention Honest Ray, Iraq was invaded because it was thought
by
most
everyone that Saddam had WMD's ... violations of the agreement that
ended
the Gulf war etc.
Bush never ³thought² that.
Not only Bush thought that, but many in the previous administration
and
many
Say, where is phase two of the Senate Report of Pre-war Intelligence
on Iraq? The one where the Senate was going to look at how the Bush
administration (mis)used the intelligence?
Honest Ray, I don't know ...
"I don't know" is a damn poor reason for killing people.
I agree, Honest Ray.
And yet you still want to kill people.
Ahhhh, whats a killer to do?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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07 Feb 2007 10:11:21 PM |
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Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
In article <eqconj$hap$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:060220072133189063%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article
<fQcyh.28479$Xq6.17645@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
weatherwax <weatherwax@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
Why has the price of oil at times been at its highest while
we are there if it was suppose to keep the price of oil
down?
Instability in the region. Bush thought it was going to be a
cake walk.
Bush actually predicted that oil revenues would pay for the war and
the
rebuilding of Iraq. I suspect that oil revenues in the entire
middle
east
are going into the civil war in Iraq.
The list of incompetent actions by Bush and his cronies is nearly
endless.
And I've never denied that the present administration has made many
mistakes.
That minimizes it. They are incompetent and they lied.
I wouldn't say incompetent, I would say he is the 1st President of the
last
few administrations that has taken the Muslim jihadists seriously.
By invading a country which had nothing to do with "Muslim jihadists"
and continuing to be allies with those countries that harbor and
promote "Muslim jihadists".
Pay attention Honest Ray, Iraq was invaded because it was thought by most
everyone that Saddam had WMD's .
Now you resort to outright lying. No, not "most everyone". Few
people in fact. Most everyone wanted to let the UN inspectors do
their job.
Bush didn't want to let them do their job. Now we know why.
.. violations of the agreement that ended
the Gulf war etc.
Are of no relevance whatever, especially given that the US violated
international law in order to invade Iraq.
What flavor was your KoolAid?
Jim Jones grape, Honest Ray.
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Ray Fischer
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08 Feb 2007 08:27:29 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
In article <eqconj$hap$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:060220072133189063%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article
<fQcyh.28479$Xq6.17645@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
weatherwax <weatherwax@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
Why has the price of oil at times been at its highest while
we are there if it was suppose to keep the price of oil
down?
Instability in the region. Bush thought it was going to be a
cake walk.
Bush actually predicted that oil revenues would pay for the war
and
the
rebuilding of Iraq. I suspect that oil revenues in the entire
middle
east
are going into the civil war in Iraq.
The list of incompetent actions by Bush and his cronies is nearly
endless.
And I've never denied that the present administration has made many
mistakes.
That minimizes it. They are incompetent and they lied.
I wouldn't say incompetent, I would say he is the 1st President of the
last
few administrations that has taken the Muslim jihadists seriously.
By invading a country which had nothing to do with "Muslim jihadists"
and continuing to be allies with those countries that harbor and
promote "Muslim jihadists".
Pay attention Honest Ray, Iraq was invaded because it was thought by most
everyone that Saddam had WMD's .
Now you resort to outright lying. No, not "most everyone".
'Most everyone" believed Saddam had WMD's, Honest Ray ...
Few
people in fact. Most everyone wanted to let the UN inspectors do
their job.
This may be true, but we would still be talking today most probably ...
remember how long we had already been talking. That is the trouble with
you guys you want to talk .... Something the Muslim jihadist take as
weakness which it is. Lets just keep talking about Sudan ... people are
dying every day as we've talked ... lets keep talking ... people keep dying
.... lets keep dying. But its the though isn't it ... we don't want to make
war we want to talk ... to bad if people are getting murdered every day. UN
king of talk.
Bush didn't want to let them do their job. Now we know why.
No, 12 years was not long enough ... lets keep talking.
.. violations of the agreement that ended
the Gulf war etc.
Are of no relevance whatever, especially given that the US violated
international law in order to invade Iraq.
It doesn't count that Saddam did by not adhering to the agreement he signed
.... it was the USSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.s fault.
What flavor was your KoolAid?
Jim Jones grape, Honest Ray.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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08 Feb 2007 10:49:29 PM |
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Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:45caa2e9$0$80117$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
In article <eqconj$hap$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:060220072133189063%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article
<fQcyh.28479$Xq6.17645@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
weatherwax <weatherwax@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
Why has the price of oil at times been at its highest while
we are there if it was suppose to keep the price of oil
down?
Instability in the region. Bush thought it was going to be a
cake walk.
Bush actually predicted that oil revenues would pay for the war
and
the
rebuilding of Iraq. I suspect that oil revenues in the entire
middle
east
are going into the civil war in Iraq.
The list of incompetent actions by Bush and his cronies is nearly
endless.
And I've never denied that the present administration has made many
mistakes.
That minimizes it. They are incompetent and they lied.
I wouldn't say incompetent, I would say he is the 1st President of the
last
few administrations that has taken the Muslim jihadists seriously.
By invading a country which had nothing to do with "Muslim jihadists"
and continuing to be allies with those countries that harbor and
promote "Muslim jihadists".
Pay attention Honest Ray, Iraq was invaded because it was thought by most
everyone that Saddam had WMD's .
Now you resort to outright lying. No, not "most everyone".
'Most everyone" believed Saddam had WMD's, Honest Ray ...
The why didn't the UN allow the invasion?
Few
people in fact. Most everyone wanted to let the UN inspectors do
their job.
This may be true, but we would still be talking today most probably ...
And there would be 250,000 people who would not be dead.
That is the trouble with
you guys you want to talk .
And you want to kill.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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09 Feb 2007 09:31:27 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:45caa2e9$0$80117$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
In article <eqconj$hap$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:060220072133189063%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article
<fQcyh.28479$Xq6.17645@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
weatherwax <weatherwax@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
Why has the price of oil at times been at its highest while
we are there if it was suppose to keep the price of oil
down?
Instability in the region. Bush thought it was going to be a
cake walk.
Bush actually predicted that oil revenues would pay for the war
and
the
rebuilding of Iraq. I suspect that oil revenues in the entire
middle
east
are going into the civil war in Iraq.
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