Religions > Bible > Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !!
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| User: |
"Egalitarian" |
| Date: |
28 Jan 2007 09:24:51 AM |
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Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
There are two ways to get our troops OUT of
Iraq - **NOW** !!
There's a good way and bad way.
First - the BAD way. That's the way it was done
this last week. 43 of them were killed. Thus, fully 43
of them *immediately* got out of Iraq. But the problem
with doing it that way is that it's rough on their families
and probably is rock bottom on the list of priorities that
most soldiers would have by way of methods of redeploy-
ment out of there. And too, it would take 'way too long.
At that rate -- around 5,000 per year -- it would take over
25 years to get them all out of Iraq. Warmonger-in-Thief
Bush is probably the *only* person who'd like to see us
being stuck there for that long.
Then there's the GOOD way: Congress immediately
and with the full force of law totally DE-FUNDS the war,
with the sole exception of the amount of money that it
would take to IMMEDIATELY get **all** of our troops
out of these, and back to America safely. That would
save countless of our soldiers' lives, and enable the
USA to regain some of the respect it lost worldwide
when the a-hole who stole the White House illegally
invaded another sovereign nation after LYING to every-
one in order to CON them into supporting his idiocy.
Some people disagree with the latter method. It
would be interesting to know how many of those same
people also are bone-dumb enough to be RRR Cult
lemmings.
- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
11 Feb 2007 10:50:24 PM |
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Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message
Robert <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote in
news:k0lus29930jo22mlp5qqih7ea99qclkecq@4ax.com:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:52:48 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
Vouchers are fine with me as long as their cost doesn't come out of our
public taxes and go to private or religious institutions. If you want
someone to subsidize you private or religious education, try asking
your
church synagogue or mosque to pay for it.
I am atheist, I would remind you that religious people pay taxes, to
support public schools. And a voucher system that paid the same
amount, for each child enrolled in a school, either private,
religious, or public would be fair.
Sorry but I disagree. Taxes are meant to be used for government
services
that benefit_everyone who pay them, regardliess of their religion or
lack
of religion. If you want the government to subsidize private and
religious education, it would not be fair to those who are
non-religious.
My opinion.
You are missing the point, and this could be remedied very easily ... Let
the government pay the parents the amount of the voucher. Then the parent
could choose the school ... there are private schools that are not
religious.
That's a good way to ghetto-ize schools. Good schools would simply
reject any problem students leaving the poor schools to babysit the
expensive and difficult children.
Pretending that many inter-city schools aren't already ghettoized???
Changing the subject.
Right now schools have a legal obligation to provide an education.
That fact that not all succeed doesn't not alter the duty.
You want to eliminate the duty of schools to provide any education at
all.
Let
me digress ... schools are for educating, not babysitting .
But you want to change that.
The rich get richer and you create
a permanent underclass of poor and uneducated people.
What a crock.
Impressive rebuttal.
I like what Charles J. Sykes, author of "Dumbing Down Our
Kids: Why American Childred Fell Good About Themselves But Can't Read,
Write, or Add.
Resorting to trite propaganda isn't a way to make a convincing
argument.
1. Life is unfair.
Then quit bitching, bigot.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Joe Irvin" |
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| Title: Re: Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
12 Feb 2007 07:50:22 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:45cff210$0$14056$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message
Robert <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote in
news:k0lus29930jo22mlp5qqih7ea99qclkecq@4ax.com:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:52:48 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
Vouchers are fine with me as long as their cost doesn't come out of
our
public taxes and go to private or religious institutions. If you
want
someone to subsidize you private or religious education, try asking
your
church synagogue or mosque to pay for it.
I am atheist, I would remind you that religious people pay taxes,
to
support public schools. And a voucher system that paid the same
amount, for each child enrolled in a school, either private,
religious, or public would be fair.
Sorry but I disagree. Taxes are meant to be used for government
services
that benefit_everyone who pay them, regardliess of their religion or
lack
of religion. If you want the government to subsidize private and
religious education, it would not be fair to those who are
non-religious.
My opinion.
You are missing the point, and this could be remedied very easily ...
Let
the government pay the parents the amount of the voucher. Then the
parent
could choose the school ... there are private schools that are not
religious.
That's a good way to ghetto-ize schools. Good schools would simply
reject any problem students leaving the poor schools to babysit the
expensive and difficult children.
Pretending that many inter-city schools aren't already ghettoized???
Changing the subject.
Who brought the word "ghetto-ized schools"?
Right now schools have a legal obligation to provide an education.
Which many intercity schools do not.
That fact that not all succeed doesn't not alter the duty.
I never challenged their duty ... its there general lack of doing their
duty. I'm not going to argue about government schools.
You want to eliminate the duty of schools to provide any education at
all.
Generally intercity schools do a good enough job of that themselves.
Let
me digress ... schools are for educating, not babysitting .
But you want to change that.
True from babysitting to education.
The rich get richer and you create
a permanent underclass of poor and uneducated people.
What a crock.
Impressive rebuttal.
In your eyes, I'm sure it is.
I like what Charles J. Sykes, author of "Dumbing Down Our
Kids: Why American Childred Fell Good About Themselves But Can't Read,
Write, or Add.
Resorting to trite propaganda isn't a way to make a convincing
argument.
1. Life is unfair.
Then quit bitching, bigot.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
12 Feb 2007 10:07:55 PM |
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Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
You are missing the point, and this could be remedied very easily ...
Let
the government pay the parents the amount of the voucher. Then the
parent
could choose the school ... there are private schools that are not
religious.
That's a good way to ghetto-ize schools. Good schools would simply
reject any problem students leaving the poor schools to babysit the
expensive and difficult children.
Pretending that many inter-city schools aren't already ghettoized???
Changing the subject.
Who brought the word "ghetto-ized schools"?
Who is trying to change the subject by making unsupported claims about
the state of schools now?
Right now schools have a legal obligation to provide an education.
Which many intercity schools do not.
In your opinion.
That fact that not all succeed doesn't not alter the duty.
I never challenged their duty ..
Then obviously you're just bringing up the subject in order to avoid
dealing with the problems of what you propose.
You want to eliminate the duty of schools to provide any education at
all.
Generally intercity schools do a good enough job of that themselves.
Non sequitur, and the usual neocon cowardice.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
11 Feb 2007 10:57:31 AM |
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In article <Xns98D4588973C84SD@69.28.173.184>, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
Robert <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote in
news:k0lus29930jo22mlp5qqih7ea99qclkecq@4ax.com:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:52:48 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
Vouchers are fine with me as long as their cost doesn't come out of our
public taxes and go to private or religious institutions. If you want
someone to subsidize you private or religious education, try asking
your
church synagogue or mosque to pay for it.
I am atheist, I would remind you that religious people pay taxes, to
support public schools. And a voucher system that paid the same
amount, for each child enrolled in a school, either private,
religious, or public would be fair.
Sorry but I disagree. Taxes are meant to be used for government services
that benefit_everyone who pay them, regardliess of their religion or lack
of religion. If you want the government to subsidize private and
religious education, it would not be fair to those who are non-religious.
Furthermore, the voucher system is just another way to assist the well
off while screwing the poor.
My opinion.
As of now parents that make
sacrifices to provide private school for their children, and pay taxes
for public schools, are getting screwed. Regardless of belief.
No, they can always send their children to a public school for free. If
they choose to send them to private or religious schools, then it is
their obligation to pay the extra cost or find some organization other
than government to subsidize them.
Correct.
My opinion.
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| User: "BOB" |
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| Title: Re: Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
11 Feb 2007 11:28:11 AM |
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"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in
news:110220070857318571%dwbarnes@barnsco.com:
In article <Xns98D4588973C84SD@69.28.173.184>, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
Robert <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote in
news:k0lus29930jo22mlp5qqih7ea99qclkecq@4ax.com:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:52:48 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
Vouchers are fine with me as long as their cost doesn't come out of
our public taxes and go to private or religious institutions. If
you want someone to subsidize you private or religious education,
try asking
your
church synagogue or mosque to pay for it.
I am atheist, I would remind you that religious people pay taxes,
to
support public schools. And a voucher system that paid the same
amount, for each child enrolled in a school, either private,
religious, or public would be fair.
Sorry but I disagree. Taxes are meant to be used for government
services that benefit_everyone who pay them, regardliess of their
religion or lack of religion. If you want the government to
subsidize private and religious education, it would not be fair to
those who are non-religious.
Furthermore, the voucher system is just another way to assist the well
off while screwing the poor.
My opinion.
As of now parents that make
sacrifices to provide private school for their children, and pay
taxes for public schools, are getting screwed. Regardless of
belief.
No, they can always send their children to a public school for free.
If they choose to send them to private or religious schools, then it
is their obligation to pay the extra cost or find some organization
other than government to subsidize them.
Correct.
My opinion.
Another option might be to find a private or religious organization that
does not charge them for educational opportunities.
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| User: "Joe Irvin" |
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| Title: Re: Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
11 Feb 2007 12:28:46 PM |
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"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message news:Xns98D46054FDCBCSD@69.28.173.184...
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in
news:110220070857318571%dwbarnes@barnsco.com:
In article <Xns98D4588973C84SD@69.28.173.184>, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
Robert <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote in
news:k0lus29930jo22mlp5qqih7ea99qclkecq@4ax.com:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:52:48 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
Vouchers are fine with me as long as their cost doesn't come out of
our public taxes and go to private or religious institutions. If
you want someone to subsidize you private or religious education,
try asking
your
church synagogue or mosque to pay for it.
I am atheist, I would remind you that religious people pay taxes,
to
support public schools. And a voucher system that paid the same
amount, for each child enrolled in a school, either private,
religious, or public would be fair.
Sorry but I disagree. Taxes are meant to be used for government
services that benefit_everyone who pay them, regardliess of their
religion or lack of religion. If you want the government to
subsidize private and religious education, it would not be fair to
those who are non-religious.
Furthermore, the voucher system is just another way to assist the well
off while screwing the poor.
My opinion.
As of now parents that make
sacrifices to provide private school for their children, and pay
taxes for public schools, are getting screwed. Regardless of
belief.
No, they can always send their children to a public school for free.
If they choose to send them to private or religious schools, then it
is their obligation to pay the extra cost or find some organization
other than government to subsidize them.
Correct.
My opinion.
Another option might be to find a private or religious organization that
does not charge them for educational opportunities.
Another is do away with govt schools that do not educate .... and let the
private sector handle educaation. Education is just another service.
.
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| User: "BOB" |
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11 Feb 2007 01:19:10 PM |
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"Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in
news:eqnn8r$3tb$1@news04.infoave.net:
"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98D46054FDCBCSD@69.28.173.184...
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in
news:110220070857318571%dwbarnes@barnsco.com:
In article <Xns98D4588973C84SD@69.28.173.184>, BOB <sd@sd.net>
wrote:
Robert <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote in
news:k0lus29930jo22mlp5qqih7ea99qclkecq@4ax.com:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:52:48 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
Vouchers are fine with me as long as their cost doesn't come out
of our public taxes and go to private or religious institutions.
If you want someone to subsidize you private or religious
education, try asking
your
church synagogue or mosque to pay for it.
I am atheist, I would remind you that religious people pay
taxes, to
support public schools. And a voucher system that paid the same
amount, for each child enrolled in a school, either private,
religious, or public would be fair.
Sorry but I disagree. Taxes are meant to be used for government
services that benefit_everyone who pay them, regardliess of their
religion or lack of religion. If you want the government to
subsidize private and religious education, it would not be fair to
those who are non-religious.
Furthermore, the voucher system is just another way to assist the
well off while screwing the poor.
My opinion.
As of now parents that make
sacrifices to provide private school for their children, and pay
taxes for public schools, are getting screwed. Regardless of
belief.
No, they can always send their children to a public school for
free. If they choose to send them to private or religious schools,
then it is their obligation to pay the extra cost or find some
organization other than government to subsidize them.
Correct.
My opinion.
Another option might be to find a private or religious organization
that does not charge them for educational opportunities.
Another is do away with govt schools that do not educate ....
Perhaps you are now talking about the schools that you attended, JoIrkin.
and let
the private sector handle educaation.
It already does.
Education is just another
service.
Provided by whom?
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| User: "Joe Irvin" |
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| Title: Re: Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
11 Feb 2007 01:54:40 PM |
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"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message news:Xns98D47326AD432SD@69.28.173.184...
"Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in
news:eqnn8r$3tb$1@news04.infoave.net:
"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98D46054FDCBCSD@69.28.173.184...
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in
news:110220070857318571%dwbarnes@barnsco.com:
In article <Xns98D4588973C84SD@69.28.173.184>, BOB <sd@sd.net>
wrote:
Robert <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote in
news:k0lus29930jo22mlp5qqih7ea99qclkecq@4ax.com:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:52:48 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
Vouchers are fine with me as long as their cost doesn't come out
of our public taxes and go to private or religious institutions.
If you want someone to subsidize you private or religious
education, try asking
your
church synagogue or mosque to pay for it.
I am atheist, I would remind you that religious people pay
taxes, to
support public schools. And a voucher system that paid the same
amount, for each child enrolled in a school, either private,
religious, or public would be fair.
Sorry but I disagree. Taxes are meant to be used for government
services that benefit_everyone who pay them, regardliess of their
religion or lack of religion. If you want the government to
subsidize private and religious education, it would not be fair to
those who are non-religious.
Furthermore, the voucher system is just another way to assist the
well off while screwing the poor.
My opinion.
As of now parents that make
sacrifices to provide private school for their children, and pay
taxes for public schools, are getting screwed. Regardless of
belief.
No, they can always send their children to a public school for
free. If they choose to send them to private or religious schools,
then it is their obligation to pay the extra cost or find some
organization other than government to subsidize them.
Correct.
My opinion.
Another option might be to find a private or religious organization
that does not charge them for educational opportunities.
Another is do away with govt schools that do not educate ....
Perhaps you are now talking about the schools that you attended, JoIrkin.
No, I attended govt schools ...
and let
the private sector handle educaation.
It already does.
Somewhat, and it seems to be doing a lot better job.
Education is just another
service.
Provided by whom?
For the larger part, govts ... whats your point.
.
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| User: "BOB" |
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| Title: Re: Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
11 Feb 2007 02:24:57 PM |
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"Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in
news:eqns9t$9ep$1@news04.infoave.net:
"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98D47326AD432SD@69.28.173.184...
"Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in
news:eqnn8r$3tb$1@news04.infoave.net:
"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98D46054FDCBCSD@69.28.173.184...
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in
news:110220070857318571%dwbarnes@barnsco.com:
In article <Xns98D4588973C84SD@69.28.173.184>, BOB <sd@sd.net>
wrote:
Robert <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote in
news:k0lus29930jo22mlp5qqih7ea99qclkecq@4ax.com:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:52:48 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
Vouchers are fine with me as long as their cost doesn't come
out of our public taxes and go to private or religious
institutions. If you want someone to subsidize you private or
religious education, try asking
your
church synagogue or mosque to pay for it.
I am atheist, I would remind you that religious people pay
taxes, to
support public schools. And a voucher system that paid the same
amount, for each child enrolled in a school, either private,
religious, or public would be fair.
Sorry but I disagree. Taxes are meant to be used for government
services that benefit_everyone who pay them, regardliess of their
religion or lack of religion. If you want the government to
subsidize private and religious education, it would not be fair
to those who are non-religious.
Furthermore, the voucher system is just another way to assist the
well off while screwing the poor.
My opinion.
As of now parents that make
sacrifices to provide private school for their children, and
pay taxes for public schools, are getting screwed. Regardless
of belief.
No, they can always send their children to a public school for
free. If they choose to send them to private or religious
schools, then it is their obligation to pay the extra cost or
find some organization other than government to subsidize them.
Correct.
My opinion.
Another option might be to find a private or religious organization
that does not charge them for educational opportunities.
Another is do away with govt schools that do not educate ....
Perhaps you are now talking about the schools that you attended,
JoIrkin.
No, I attended govt schools ...
While most educated people in the U.S. attended public schools...
and let
the private sector handle educaation.
It already does.
Somewhat, and it seems to be doing a lot better job.
But apparently not in your case, JoIrkin.
Education is just another
service.
Provided by whom?
For the larger part, govts ... whats your point.
What "governments" JoIrkin? Be specific if you can.
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| User: "Joe Irvin" |
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| Title: Re: Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
11 Feb 2007 04:22:37 PM |
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"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message news:Xns98D47E4E49FEDSD@69.28.173.184...
"Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in
news:eqns9t$9ep$1@news04.infoave.net:
"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98D47326AD432SD@69.28.173.184...
"Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in
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"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98D46054FDCBCSD@69.28.173.184...
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in
news:110220070857318571%dwbarnes@barnsco.com:
In article <Xns98D4588973C84SD@69.28.173.184>, BOB <sd@sd.net>
wrote:
Robert <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote in
news:k0lus29930jo22mlp5qqih7ea99qclkecq@4ax.com:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:52:48 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
Vouchers are fine with me as long as their cost doesn't come
out of our public taxes and go to private or religious
institutions. If you want someone to subsidize you private or
religious education, try asking
your
church synagogue or mosque to pay for it.
I am atheist, I would remind you that religious people pay
taxes, to
support public schools. And a voucher system that paid the same
amount, for each child enrolled in a school, either private,
religious, or public would be fair.
Sorry but I disagree. Taxes are meant to be used for government
services that benefit_everyone who pay them, regardliess of their
religion or lack of religion. If you want the government to
subsidize private and religious education, it would not be fair
to those who are non-religious.
Furthermore, the voucher system is just another way to assist the
well off while screwing the poor.
My opinion.
As of now parents that make
sacrifices to provide private school for their children, and
pay taxes for public schools, are getting screwed. Regardless
of belief.
No, they can always send their children to a public school for
free. If they choose to send them to private or religious
schools, then it is their obligation to pay the extra cost or
find some organization other than government to subsidize them.
Correct.
My opinion.
Another option might be to find a private or religious organization
that does not charge them for educational opportunities.
Another is do away with govt schools that do not educate ....
Perhaps you are now talking about the schools that you attended,
JoIrkin.
No, I attended govt schools ...
While most educated people in the U.S. attended public schools...
and let
the private sector handle educaation.
It already does.
Somewhat, and it seems to be doing a lot better job.
But apparently not in your case, JoIrkin.
Education is just another
service.
Provided by whom?
For the larger part, govts ... whats your point.
What "governments" JoIrkin? Be specific if you can.
State, Local, and Federal, its nothing new.
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| User: "BOB" |
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11 Feb 2007 06:07:32 PM |
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"Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in
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"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message
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"Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in
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"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message
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"Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in
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"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message
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"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in
news:110220070857318571%dwbarnes@barnsco.com:
In article <Xns98D4588973C84SD@69.28.173.184>, BOB <sd@sd.net>
wrote:
Robert <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote in
news:k0lus29930jo22mlp5qqih7ea99qclkecq@4ax.com:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:52:48 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
Vouchers are fine with me as long as their cost doesn't come
out of our public taxes and go to private or religious
institutions. If you want someone to subsidize you private or
religious education, try asking
your
church synagogue or mosque to pay for it.
I am atheist, I would remind you that religious people pay
taxes, to
support public schools. And a voucher system that paid the
same amount, for each child enrolled in a school, either
private, religious, or public would be fair.
Sorry but I disagree. Taxes are meant to be used for
government services that benefit_everyone who pay them,
regardliess of their religion or lack of religion. If you want
the government to subsidize private and religious education, it
would not be fair to those who are non-religious.
Furthermore, the voucher system is just another way to assist
the well off while screwing the poor.
My opinion.
As of now parents that make
sacrifices to provide private school for their children, and
pay taxes for public schools, are getting screwed. Regardless
of belief.
No, they can always send their children to a public school for
free. If they choose to send them to private or religious
schools, then it is their obligation to pay the extra cost or
find some organization other than government to subsidize them.
Correct.
My opinion.
Another option might be to find a private or religious
organization that does not charge them for educational
opportunities.
Another is do away with govt schools that do not educate ....
Perhaps you are now talking about the schools that you attended,
JoIrkin.
No, I attended govt schools ...
While most educated people in the U.S. attended public schools...
and let
the private sector handle educaation.
It already does.
Somewhat, and it seems to be doing a lot better job.
But apparently not in your case, JoIrkin.
Education is just another
service.
Provided by whom?
For the larger part, govts ... whats your point.
What "governments" JoIrkin? Be specific if you can.
State, Local, and Federal, its nothing new.
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On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:19:10 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
"Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in
news:eqnn8r$3tb$1@news04.infoave.net:
"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98D46054FDCBCSD@69.28.173.184...
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in
news:110220070857318571%dwbarnes@barnsco.com:
In article <Xns98D4588973C84SD@69.28.173.184>, BOB <sd@sd.net>
wrote:
Robert <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote in
news:k0lus29930jo22mlp5qqih7ea99qclkecq@4ax.com:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:52:48 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
Vouchers are fine with me as long as their cost doesn't come out
of our public taxes and go to private or religious institutions.
If you want someone to subsidize you private or religious
education, try asking
your
church synagogue or mosque to pay for it.
I am atheist, I would remind you that religious people pay
taxes, to
support public schools. And a voucher system that paid the same
amount, for each child enrolled in a school, either private,
religious, or public would be fair.
Sorry but I disagree. Taxes are meant to be used for government
services that benefit_everyone who pay them, regardliess of their
religion or lack of religion. If you want the government to
subsidize private and religious education, it would not be fair to
those who are non-religious.
Furthermore, the voucher system is just another way to assist the
well off while screwing the poor.
My opinion.
As of now parents that make
sacrifices to provide private school for their children, and pay
taxes for public schools, are getting screwed. Regardless of
belief.
No, they can always send their children to a public school for
free. If they choose to send them to private or religious schools,
then it is their obligation to pay the extra cost or find some
organization other than government to subsidize them.
Correct.
My opinion.
Another option might be to find a private or religious organization
that does not charge them for educational opportunities.
Another is do away with govt schools that do not educate ....
Perhaps you are now talking about the schools that you attended, JoIrkin.
and let
the private sector handle educaation.
It already does.
Education is just another
service.
Provided by whom?
At taxpayers expense according to government regulations. Just one
more thing on the long list of things fucked up by the government.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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13 Feb 2007 08:38:16 AM |
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"Robert" <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:19:10 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
"Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in
news:eqnn8r$3tb$1@news04.infoave.net:
"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98D46054FDCBCSD@69.28.173.184...
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in
news:110220070857318571%dwbarnes@barnsco.com:
In article <Xns98D4588973C84SD@69.28.173.184>, BOB <sd@sd.net>
wrote:
Robert <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote in
news:k0lus29930jo22mlp5qqih7ea99qclkecq@4ax.com:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:52:48 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
Vouchers are fine with me as long as their cost doesn't come out
of our public taxes and go to private or religious institutions.
If you want someone to subsidize you private or religious
education, try asking
your
church synagogue or mosque to pay for it.
I am atheist, I would remind you that religious people pay
taxes, to
support public schools. And a voucher system that paid the same
amount, for each child enrolled in a school, either private,
religious, or public would be fair.
Sorry but I disagree. Taxes are meant to be used for government
services that benefit_everyone who pay them, regardliess of their
religion or lack of religion. If you want the government to
subsidize private and religious education, it would not be fair to
those who are non-religious.
Furthermore, the voucher system is just another way to assist the
well off while screwing the poor.
My opinion.
As of now parents that make
sacrifices to provide private school for their children, and pay
taxes for public schools, are getting screwed. Regardless of
belief.
No, they can always send their children to a public school for
free. If they choose to send them to private or religious schools,
then it is their obligation to pay the extra cost or find some
organization other than government to subsidize them.
Correct.
My opinion.
Another option might be to find a private or religious organization
that does not charge them for educational opportunities.
Another is do away with govt schools that do not educate ....
Perhaps you are now talking about the schools that you attended, JoIrkin.
and let
the private sector handle educaation.
It already does.
Education is just another
service.
Provided by whom?
At taxpayers expense according to government regulations. Just one
more thing on the long list of things fucked up by the government.
I couldn't agree more ... yes.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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11 Feb 2007 06:34:43 PM |
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In article <eqnn8r$3tb$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message news:Xns98D46054FDCBCSD@69.28.173.184...
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in
news:110220070857318571%dwbarnes@barnsco.com:
In article <Xns98D4588973C84SD@69.28.173.184>, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
Robert <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote in
news:k0lus29930jo22mlp5qqih7ea99qclkecq@4ax.com:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:52:48 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
Vouchers are fine with me as long as their cost doesn't come out of
our public taxes and go to private or religious institutions. If
you want someone to subsidize you private or religious education,
try asking
your
church synagogue or mosque to pay for it.
I am atheist, I would remind you that religious people pay taxes,
to
support public schools. And a voucher system that paid the same
amount, for each child enrolled in a school, either private,
religious, or public would be fair.
Sorry but I disagree. Taxes are meant to be used for government
services that benefit_everyone who pay them, regardliess of their
religion or lack of religion. If you want the government to
subsidize private and religious education, it would not be fair to
those who are non-religious.
Furthermore, the voucher system is just another way to assist the well
off while screwing the poor.
My opinion.
As of now parents that make
sacrifices to provide private school for their children, and pay
taxes for public schools, are getting screwed. Regardless of
belief.
No, they can always send their children to a public school for free.
If they choose to send them to private or religious schools, then it
is their obligation to pay the extra cost or find some organization
other than government to subsidize them.
Correct.
My opinion.
Another option might be to find a private or religious organization that
does not charge them for educational opportunities.
Another is do away with govt schools that do not educate .... and let the
private sector handle educaation. Education is just another service.
Yeah - we canšt have that.
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11 Feb 2007 06:53:33 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in
news:110220071634436728%dwbarnes@barnsco.com:
In article <eqnn8r$3tb$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98D46054FDCBCSD@69.28.173.184...
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in
news:110220070857318571%dwbarnes@barnsco.com:
In article <Xns98D4588973C84SD@69.28.173.184>, BOB <sd@sd.net>
wrote:
Robert <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote in
news:k0lus29930jo22mlp5qqih7ea99qclkecq@4ax.com:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:52:48 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
Vouchers are fine with me as long as their cost doesn't come
out of our public taxes and go to private or religious
institutions. If you want someone to subsidize you private or
religious education, try asking
your
church synagogue or mosque to pay for it.
I am atheist, I would remind you that religious people pay
taxes, to
support public schools. And a voucher system that paid the same
amount, for each child enrolled in a school, either private,
religious, or public would be fair.
Sorry but I disagree. Taxes are meant to be used for government
services that benefit_everyone who pay them, regardliess of their
religion or lack of religion. If you want the government to
subsidize private and religious education, it would not be fair
to those who are non-religious.
Furthermore, the voucher system is just another way to assist the
well off while screwing the poor.
My opinion.
As of now parents that make
sacrifices to provide private school for their children, and
pay taxes for public schools, are getting screwed. Regardless
of belief.
No, they can always send their children to a public school for
free. If they choose to send them to private or religious
schools, then it is their obligation to pay the extra cost or
find some organization other than government to subsidize them.
Correct.
My opinion.
Another option might be to find a private or religious organization
that does not charge them for educational opportunities.
Another is do away with govt schools that do not educate .... and let
the private sector handle educaation. Education is just another
service.
Yeah - we canšt have that.
Notice how idiot JoIrkin is still trying to pass-off his made up
expression of "government schools". What a moron. His own lack of
education is showing.
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11 Feb 2007 07:23:13 PM |
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In article <Xns98D4ABDA17391SD@69.28.173.184>, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in
news:110220071634436728%dwbarnes@barnsco.com:
In article <eqnn8r$3tb$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98D46054FDCBCSD@69.28.173.184...
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in
news:110220070857318571%dwbarnes@barnsco.com:
In article <Xns98D4588973C84SD@69.28.173.184>, BOB <sd@sd.net>
wrote:
Robert <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote in
news:k0lus29930jo22mlp5qqih7ea99qclkecq@4ax.com:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:52:48 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
Vouchers are fine with me as long as their cost doesn't come
out of our public taxes and go to private or religious
institutions. If you want someone to subsidize you private or
religious education, try asking
your
church synagogue or mosque to pay for it.
I am atheist, I would remind you that religious people pay
taxes, to
support public schools. And a voucher system that paid the same
amount, for each child enrolled in a school, either private,
religious, or public would be fair.
Sorry but I disagree. Taxes are meant to be used for government
services that benefit_everyone who pay them, regardliess of their
religion or lack of religion. If you want the government to
subsidize private and religious education, it would not be fair
to those who are non-religious.
Furthermore, the voucher system is just another way to assist the
well off while screwing the poor.
My opinion.
As of now parents that make
sacrifices to provide private school for their children, and
pay taxes for public schools, are getting screwed. Regardless
of belief.
No, they can always send their children to a public school for
free. If they choose to send them to private or religious
schools, then it is their obligation to pay the extra cost or
find some organization other than government to subsidize them.
Correct.
My opinion.
Another option might be to find a private or religious organization
that does not charge them for educational opportunities.
Another is do away with govt schools that do not educate .... and let
the private sector handle educaation. Education is just another
service.
Yeah - we canšt have that.
Notice how idiot JoIrkin is still trying to pass-off his made up
expression of "government schools". What a moron. His own lack of
education is showing.
What little education he has had was public school, no doubt.
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11 Feb 2007 07:36:17 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in
news:110220071723131098%dwbarnes@barnsco.com:
In article <Xns98D4ABDA17391SD@69.28.173.184>, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in
news:110220071634436728%dwbarnes@barnsco.com:
In article <eqnn8r$3tb$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98D46054FDCBCSD@69.28.173.184...
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in
news:110220070857318571%dwbarnes@barnsco.com:
In article <Xns98D4588973C84SD@69.28.173.184>, BOB <sd@sd.net>
wrote:
Robert <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote in
news:k0lus29930jo22mlp5qqih7ea99qclkecq@4ax.com:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:52:48 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
Vouchers are fine with me as long as their cost doesn't come
out of our public taxes and go to private or religious
institutions. If you want someone to subsidize you private
or
religious education, try asking
your
church synagogue or mosque to pay for it.
I am atheist, I would remind you that religious people pay
taxes, to
support public schools. And a voucher system that paid the
same
amount, for each child enrolled in a school, either private,
religious, or public would be fair.
Sorry but I disagree. Taxes are meant to be used for
government
services that benefit_everyone who pay them, regardliess of
their
religion or lack of religion. If you want the government to
subsidize private and religious education, it would not be fair
to those who are non-religious.
Furthermore, the voucher system is just another way to assist
the
well off while screwing the poor.
My opinion.
As of now parents that make
sacrifices to provide private school for their children, and
pay taxes for public schools, are getting screwed. Regardless
of belief.
No, they can always send their children to a public school for
free. If they choose to send them to private or religious
schools, then it is their obligation to pay the extra cost or
find some organization other than government to subsidize them.
Correct.
My opinion.
Another option might be to find a private or religious
organization
that does not charge them for educational opportunities.
Another is do away with govt schools that do not educate .... and
let
the private sector handle educaation. Education is just another
service.
Yeah - we canšt have that.
Notice how idiot JoIrkin is still trying to pass-off his made up
expression of "government schools". What a moron. His own lack of
education is showing.
What little education he has had was public school, no doubt.
No doubt at all.
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11 Feb 2007 12:44:02 PM |
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Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message news:Xns98D46054FDCBCSD@69.28.173.184...
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
Robert <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote in
news:k0lus29930jo22mlp5qqih7ea99qclkecq@4ax.com:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:52:48 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
Vouchers are fine with me as long as their cost doesn't come out of
our public taxes and go to private or religious institutions. If
you want someone to subsidize you private or religious education,
try asking
your
church synagogue or mosque to pay for it.
I am atheist, I would remind you that religious people pay taxes,
to
support public schools. And a voucher system that paid the same
amount, for each child enrolled in a school, either private,
religious, or public would be fair.
Sorry but I disagree. Taxes are meant to be used for government
services that benefit_everyone who pay them, regardliess of their
religion or lack of religion. If you want the government to
subsidize private and religious education, it would not be fair to
those who are non-religious.
Furthermore, the voucher system is just another way to assist the well
off while screwing the poor.
My opinion.
As of now parents that make
sacrifices to provide private school for their children, and pay
taxes for public schools, are getting screwed. Regardless of
belief.
No, they can always send their children to a public school for free.
If they choose to send them to private or religious schools, then it
is their obligation to pay the extra cost or find some organization
other than government to subsidize them.
Correct.
My opinion.
Another option might be to find a private or religious organization that
does not charge them for educational opportunities.
Another is do away with govt schools that do not educate .... and let the
private sector handle educaation.
Like the private sector handled Iraq.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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11 Feb 2007 01:50:25 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:45cf63f1$0$14061$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98D46054FDCBCSD@69.28.173.184...
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
Robert <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote in
news:k0lus29930jo22mlp5qqih7ea99qclkecq@4ax.com:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:52:48 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
Vouchers are fine with me as long as their cost doesn't come out of
our public taxes and go to private or religious institutions. If
you want someone to subsidize you private or religious education,
try asking
your
church synagogue or mosque to pay for it.
I am atheist, I would remind you that religious people pay taxes,
to
support public schools. And a voucher system that paid the same
amount, for each child enrolled in a school, either private,
religious, or public would be fair.
Sorry but I disagree. Taxes are meant to be used for government
services that benefit_everyone who pay them, regardliess of their
religion or lack of religion. If you want the government to
subsidize private and religious education, it would not be fair to
those who are non-religious.
Furthermore, the voucher system is just another way to assist the well
off while screwing the poor.
My opinion.
As of now parents that make
sacrifices to provide private school for their children, and pay
taxes for public schools, are getting screwed. Regardless of
belief.
No, they can always send their children to a public school for free.
If they choose to send them to private or religious schools, then it
is their obligation to pay the extra cost or find some organization
other than government to subsidize them.
Correct.
My opinion.
Another option might be to find a private or religious organization that
does not charge them for educational opportunities.
Another is do away with govt schools that do not educate .... and let the
private sector handle educaation.
Like the private sector handled Iraq.
I don't know what you are talking about here ... the war is being fought by
the US armed forces ... government.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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11 Feb 2007 02:19:12 PM |
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"Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in
news:eqns1u$989$1@news04.infoave.net:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:45cf63f1$0$14061$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98D46054FDCBCSD@69.28.173.184...
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
Robert <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote in
news:k0lus29930jo22mlp5qqih7ea99qclkecq@4ax.com:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:52:48 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
Vouchers are fine with me as long as their cost doesn't come
out of our public taxes and go to private or religious
institutions. If you want someone to subsidize you private or
religious education, try asking
your
church synagogue or mosque to pay for it.
I am atheist, I would remind you that religious people pay
taxes, to
support public schools. And a voucher system that paid the same
amount, for each child enrolled in a school, either private,
religious, or public would be fair.
Sorry but I disagree. Taxes are meant to be used for government
services that benefit_everyone who pay them, regardliess of their
religion or lack of religion. If you want the government to
subsidize private and religious education, it would not be fair
to those who are non-religious.
Furthermore, the voucher system is just another way to assist the
well off while screwing the poor.
My opinion.
As of now parents that make
sacrifices to provide private school for their children, and
pay taxes for public schools, are getting screwed. Regardless
of belief.
No, they can always send their children to a public school for
free. If they choose to send them to private or religious
schools, then it is their obligation to pay the extra cost or
find some organization other than government to subsidize them.
Correct.
My opinion.
Another option might be to find a private or religious organization
that does not charge them for educational opportunities.
Another is do away with govt schools that do not educate .... and let
the private sector handle educaation.
Like the private sector handled Iraq.
I don't know what you are talking about here ...
Obviously.
the war is being
fought by the US armed forces ... government.
"Handled" doesn't mean "fought" idiot JoIrkin. Have someone with an
elementary education explain it to you.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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11 Feb 2007 04:20:52 PM |
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"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message news:Xns98D47D552A4B3SD@69.28.173.184...
"Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in
news:eqns1u$989$1@news04.infoave.net:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:45cf63f1$0$14061$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98D46054FDCBCSD@69.28.173.184...
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
Robert <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote in
news:k0lus29930jo22mlp5qqih7ea99qclkecq@4ax.com:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:52:48 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
Vouchers are fine with me as long as their cost doesn't come
out of our public taxes and go to private or religious
institutions. If you want someone to subsidize you private or
religious education, try asking
your
church synagogue or mosque to pay for it.
I am atheist, I would remind you that religious people pay
taxes, to
support public schools. And a voucher system that paid the same
amount, for each child enrolled in a school, either private,
religious, or public would be fair.
Sorry but I disagree. Taxes are meant to be used for government
services that benefit_everyone who pay them, regardliess of their
religion or lack of religion. If you want the government to
subsidize private and religious education, it would not be fair
to those who are non-religious.
Furthermore, the voucher system is just another way to assist the
well off while screwing the poor.
My opinion.
As of now parents that make
sacrifices to provide private school for their children, and
pay taxes for public schools, are getting screwed. Regardless
of belief.
No, they can always send their children to a public school for
free. If they choose to send them to private or religious
schools, then it is their obligation to pay the extra cost or
find some organization other than government to subsidize them.
Correct.
My opinion.
Another option might be to find a private or religious organization
that does not charge them for educational opportunities.
Another is do away with govt schools that do not educate .... and let
the private sector handle educaation.
Like the private sector handled Iraq.
I don't know what you are talking about here ...
Obviously.
the war is being
fought by the US armed forces ... government.
"Handled" doesn't mean "fought" idiot JoIrkin. Have someone with an
elementary education explain it to you.
No US military that fights the war ... no private sector to support the war
.... simple ... So there is no 'handle' without 'fought'.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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11 Feb 2007 06:05:54 PM |
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"Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in
news:eqo4s1$j5h$1@news04.infoave.net:
"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98D47D552A4B3SD@69.28.173.184...
"Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in
news:eqns1u$989$1@news04.infoave.net:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98D46054FDCBCSD@69.28.173.184...
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
Robert <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote in
news:k0lus29930jo22mlp5qqih7ea99qclkecq@4ax.com:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:52:48 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
Vouchers are fine with me as long as their cost doesn't come
out of our public taxes and go to private or religious
institutions. If you want someone to subsidize you private
or religious education, try asking
your
church synagogue or mosque to pay for it.
I am atheist, I would remind you that religious people pay
taxes, to
support public schools. And a voucher system that paid the
same amount, for each child enrolled in a school, either
private, religious, or public would be fair.
Sorry but I disagree. Taxes are meant to be used for
government services that benefit_everyone who pay them,
regardliess of their religion or lack of religion. If you want
the government to subsidize private and religious education, it
would not be fair to those who are non-religious.
Furthermore, the voucher system is just another way to assist
the well off while screwing the poor.
My opinion.
As of now parents that make
sacrifices to provide private school for their children, and
pay taxes for public schools, are getting screwed. Regardless
of belief.
No, they can always send their children to a public school for
free. If they choose to send them to private or religious
schools, then it is their obligation to pay the extra cost or
find some organization other than government to subsidize them.
Correct.
My opinion.
Another option might be to find a private or religious
organization that does not charge them for educational
opportunities.
Another is do away with govt schools that do not educate .... and
let the private sector handle educaation.
Like the private sector handled Iraq.
I don't know what you are talking about here ...
Obviously.
the war is being
fought by the US armed forces ... government.
"Handled" doesn't mean "fought" idiot JoIrkin. Have someone with an
elementary education explain it to you.
No US military that fights the war ... no private sector to support
the war ... simple ... So there is no 'handle' without 'fought'.
Yes, you are simple, JoIrkin.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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11 Feb 2007 02:17:08 PM |
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Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message
Another option might be to find a private or religious organization that
does not charge them for educational opportunities.
Another is do away with govt schools that do not educate .... and let the
private sector handle educaation.
Like the private sector handled Iraq.
I don't know what you are talking about here ... the war is being fought by
the US armed forces ... government.
You _are_ an ignorant little fool. No wonder you're a right-winger.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/warriors/
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| Title: Re: Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
11 Feb 2007 04:17:24 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:45cf79c4$0$14077$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message
Another option might be to find a private or religious organization
that
does not charge them for educational opportunities.
Another is do away with govt schools that do not educate .... and let
the
private sector handle educaation.
Like the private sector handled Iraq.
I don't know what you are talking about here ... the war is being fought
by
the US armed forces ... government.
You _are_ an ignorant little fool. No wonder you're a right-winger.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/warriors/
As I suspected, private companies used as support. The war is being fought
by the US govt. Nice try, Honest Ray. This is general knowledge ...
Haliburton is one of the big slams against the present admin becausse VP
Cheney once headed it. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Two Ways to Get Our Troops OUT of Iraq - **NOW** !! |
11 Feb 2007 06:34:44 PM |
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In article <eqo4lh$iqn$1@news04.infoave.net>, Joe Irvin
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:45cf79c4$0$14077$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message
Another option might be to find a private or religious organization
that
does not charge them for educational opportunities.
Another is do away with govt schools that do not educate .... and let
the
private sector handle educaation.
Like the private sector handled Iraq.
I don't know what you are talking about here ... the war is being fought
by
the US armed forces ... government.
You _are_ an ignorant little fool. No wonder you're a right-winger.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/warriors/
As I suspected, private companies used as support. The war is being fought
by the US govt. Nice try, Honest Ray. This is general knowledge ...
Haliburton is one of the big slams against the present admin becausse VP
Cheney once headed it. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
You are nothing but dishonest spin.
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11 Feb 2007 10:46:24 PM |
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Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:45cf79c4$0$14077$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Joe Irvin <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message
Another option might be to find a private or religious organization
that
does not charge them for educational opportunities.
Another is do away with govt schools that do not educate .... and let
the
private sector handle educaation.
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