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Aliens? The Real Culprits
By Charles Colson
Breakpoint Online
"Only one kind of being favors the dead of night and lonely roads.
Only one is real but nonphysical, animate, powerful, deceptive," and
"bent on wreaking psychological and physical harm."
CBN.com – Every year, more than a million people report seeing UFOs.
Are these people crackpots and attention-seekers? Or is there
something real behind their claims?
Hugh Ross, a Christian physicist and astronomer, has studied UFO
phenomena for years. His conclusion: The overwhelming majority are
explainable, but some are not, and they could be dangerous.
In his book, Lights in the Sky and Little Green Men, Ross writes that,
after all the frauds and natural causes have been exposed, researchers
"agree that there must be something real at the bottom of some UFO
reports."
For one thing, there's physical evidence. In the vicinity of reported
UFOs, researchers have found deep soil compressions — including
crushed rock — and altered soil and rock chemistry. Pilots
encountering UFOs report disruptions in radar, radio, and compass
operations. Animals become greatly agitated in the presence of UFO
phenomena. And some humans who have seen UFOs claim to experience
temporary blindness, burns, and internal bleeding.
And yet, Ross writes, UFOs must be nonphysical, because they disobey
the laws of physics. For instance, they may be detected by radar but
not seen, or they're seen but not detected by radar. They make
impossibly sharp turns and sudden stops, disappear and reappear. They
melt asphalt and burn grass without fire or flame.
And then there's the fact that ten times as many UFO sightings occur
at 3:00 a.m. than at either 6:00 a.m. or 8:00 p.m. They appear in
remote areas far more often than in densely populated ones.
Of course, most of these reported phenomena are investigated and
proven to be false. But for the remainder that cannot be explained
otherwise, Ross has an intriguing theory.
He writes: "Only one kind of being favors the dead of night and lonely
roads. Only one is real but nonphysical, animate, powerful,
deceptive," and "bent on wreaking psychological and physical harm." It
seems apparent, says Ross, that UFOs, if there are such things, "must
be associated with the activities of demons."
Other researchers — including secular scholars — have come to similar
conclusions. They attribute UFO phenomena to demons or to an
equivalent cause — for example, malevolent beings from another
dimension. Physicist Jacques Vallee concludes: "The UFO phenomenon
represents evidence for other dimensions that simply cannot be
understood apart from their psychic and symbolic reality. What we see
here is not an alien invasion," Vallee writes. "It is a spiritual
system that acts on humans and uses humans."
Astronomer and agnostic J. Allen Hynek says that UFOs cause physical
effects "in the same way that a poltergeist can produce very real
physical effects." Another agnostic, UFO specialist John Keel,
concludes that victims of what he calls "demonomania" suffer the same
medical and emotional symptoms as UFO contactees.
The idea that demons are behind UFO phenomena — and that they
sometimes harm the humans who see them — can be, if Dr. Ross is
correct, frightening and can also raise interesting questions: Who
among us might be vulnerable to these kinds of attacks?
In the final installment of this series, we'll test Ross's hypothesis
and learn why some people encounter UFOs, and others don't.
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31 Jan 2004 09:18:05 PM |
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Ex-atheist describes near-death experience
By LINDA ANDRADE RODRIGUES, Standard-Times staff writer
DARTMOUTH -- A native son and newspaper carrier for The Standard-Times
in Falmouth, Howard Storm went on to earn a master's degree from the
University of California, Berkeley, and for 20 years was an arts
professor at Northern Kentucky University. An avowed atheist, he
believed that there was no such thing as life after death -- until the
day in 1985 when he died and went to hell.
Speaking to about 125 people at Smith Mills Church last week, Mr.
Storm became very emotional, often stopping to compose himself, as he
described his near-death experience, which transformed his life.
In 1985, Mr. Storm, 38, and his wife, Beverly, were in Paris on the
last day of an art tour. Buckled over by searing pain in the middle of
his stomach, he was rushed to the hospital. Awaiting emergency
surgery, he knew he was dying. He said good-bye to his wife and
drifted into darkness.
Standing up, he realized he was between two hospital beds. He looked
at Beverly, who was motionless, staring at the floor, sitting in the
chair next to his bed. He spoke to her, but she didn't seem to hear.
As he bent over to look at the face of the body in the bed, he was
horrified to see the resemblance that it had to his own face. But he
knew that was impossible because he was standing over the person and
looking at him.
Off in the distance, outside the room in the hall, he heard voices
calling him. They were pleasant voices, male and female, young and
old, calling to him in English.
"Come out here," they said. "Don't you want to get better?"
He stepped out into the hall, full of anxiety. The area seemed to be
light but very hazy, and he couldn't make out any details.
He followed them shuffling along in his bare feet with the memory of
pain in his belly, yet feeling very much alive. The fog thickened as
they went on, and it became gradually darker.
Overwhelmed with hopelessness, he told them he would go no farther
and that they were liars. He could feel their breath on him as they
shouted and snarled insults.
Then they began to push and shove him about, and he began to fight
back. A wild frenzy of taunting, screaming and hitting ensued. As he
swung and kicked at them, they bit him.
Even though he couldn't see anything in the darkness, he was aware
there were dozens or hundreds of them all around and over him and that
his attempts to fight back only provoked greater merriment.
They began to tear off pieces of his flesh, and he realized that he
was being taken apart and eaten alive, methodically, slowly, so that
their entertainment would last as long as possible. In that wretched
state he lay there in the darkness.
Suddenly remembering a prayer from childhood Sunday School class, he
said, "Yea though I walk in the valley of the shadow of death, I will
fear no evil, for thou art with me."
To his amazement, the cruel merciless beings were incited to rage by
his prayer. They screamed at him, 'There is no God! Nobody can hear
you!" But at the same time they were backing away. He realized that
saying things about God was actually driving them away, and he became
more forceful. They became more rabid, cursing and screaming against
God, but in time, they retreated back into the distant gloom beyond
his hearing.
Alone, destroyed, and yet painfully alive in this horrible place, he
yelled out into the darkness, "Jesus, save me."
Far off in the darkness, he saw a pinpoint of light like the faintest
star in the sky. The star became brighter and brighter. As it came
closer, he realized that he was right in its path, and he might be
consumed by its brilliance.
This was a living being approximately 8 feet tall and surrounded by
an oval of radiance. The brilliant intensity of the light penetrated
his body. Ecstasy swept away the agony. Tangible hands and arms gently
embraced him and lifted him up. He slowly rose up into the presence of
the light, and the torn pieces of his body miraculously healed before
his eyes.
After his words of personal witness, Mr. Storm answered questions for
an additional two hours.
"He told me that he has given this talk hundreds of times, but
whenever he describes these creatures, he just comes apart," said the
Rev. Michael Robinson, pastor of Smith Mills Church.
After Mr. Storm's near-death experience, he entered United
Theological Seminary and was ordained as a minister of the United
Church of Christ. Since 1991 he has been pastor of Zion United Church
of Christ in Cincinnati. He documented his near-death experience in
the book "My Descent into Death and the Message of Love which Brought
Me Back," published in 2000.
Earlier in the day, the Rev. Storm spoke to about 30 area faith
leaders at Smiths Mills Church on the topic "Bringing Passion of the
Gospel into City Ministry."
"Jesus weeps for New Bedford," he said. "He can heal addictions,
broken relationships and poverty. I broke every one of the Ten
Commandments. Jesus can fix what's wrong with us."
To read an excerpt from Howard Storm's book, go to
www.near-death.com/storm.html.
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No matter how many time you tell people that your spirit can leave
your body and even see your own body from where your spirit is at that
momment they simply cannot and will not believe you and come up with
all sort of rubbish explanation to ease their consciousnesses and lull
themselves back to unbelief!
Relating from my own two experiences of my spirit leaving my body and
from what I've read on this matter this much I can tell you and that
is if your spirit leaves your body then anything you meet outside your
body is more than likely from the devil's kingdom especially if you
find yourself going into a dark tunnel first.
As the first time I experienced a out of body experience I also
experienced an inner body experience straight after I know that these
two events were different from each other and this inner body
experience was an amazing experience in itself. This inner body
experience is where I saw Christ and these visions(including the one
related to me which I am certain is an inner body experience) have
been written out for you below. ( If your wondering what it feels like
to have your spirit out of your body then the best way to explain it
is to say it's very similar to asking what the difference is between
being clothed and not clothed-your still who you are but your just a
bit more lighter.
God is a very loving God and if he can save one of you by letting a
lot of misery come your way he will. God gave man the ability to
choose. Without God in control mans way of doing things ends in sheer
madness, but how would we know that if we weren't allowed that choice
and allowed to see the results of that choice?. All of us whether we
follow God or not enjoy the things that our loving God has created for
us in this physical life but that won't be the case after we die. If
you don't want to spend eternity with God and the love that he has for
us, you won't have to.
Eternity without God is HELL!
The visions given to me Paul Martus(witness)
Just after I turned 21, I was sitting and staring at a small bottle
trying to imagine pictures out of the contents of the bottle (like
cloud watching), when my spirit floated out of my body. I could see my
body still looking at the small bottle and in what felt like a
fraction of a second I was drawn back into my body and had a sense of
traveling very far, very quickly, once my spirit was within my body.
It was like being shot like a bullet into what seemed like a tunnel of
bright white light and the best example I can give is when the
spaceships on Star Trek hit warp drive. When I finally stopped, I was
in a wide flat area in front of a giant of a man with bright white
hair, beard and clothes (His whole being shone with light) . All
around me I could see in the distance a white glow and heard singing
but I couldn't understand the words. Jesus looked at me as a father
looks at his child when a child won't live the way he should and told
me to "Go back". I knew it was Jesus not because He told me or I
recognised him from some picture but because my spirit simply just
knew.
Back in my body I thought to myself, pretty weird, and was about to
pass it off as one of those things that happens, when suddenly, I
started hearing that singing again and felt my spirit starting to
separate from my body again. As soon as I realized that what had
happened was very real the singing and the separating stopped.
The second out of body experience happened when I was about 29 and was
camped with a group of friends. My spirit floated out of my body and I
could see myself, my friends and the area around us. I noticed behind
me a man sitting on a tree branch and turned towards him but he never
looked directly at me for the time we talked. He seemed pretty
friendly at first and told me to join him (think this demon's
intention was to let itself into my body but couldn't do it without my
permission) and the more I refused to join him the angrier he got.
This was scary stuff especially since he said that if I didn't join
him he would destroy my friends but I replied that God would protect
them and as I didn't know what else to do I prayed the Lord's prayer
(Our Father...) and my spirit came back into my body and I breathed a
sigh of relief.
The vision given to Jeanne Russell on July 1995.
I was in heaven with Jesus and we were talking as He was setting
places at his banqueting tables. There were so many tables there that
they were impossible to count- reaching far beyond the furthest
horizons. They all had name places set before them, and peoples from
all tribes and nations were gathered there.
However, lots and lots of chairs were empty, even though name places
were clearly set there for them. I could see mine- JEANNE FIDDEN,and I
asked my Lord, "Why the FIDDEN, when I was now Russel?" and He
replied, "These places are set for them-but they refused to come to My
banqueting tables-They were ALL invited as you can see, but by their
own free will they refuse to come!" Then Jesus told me to write this
down, and tell others. So I am telling you! He also asked me to add, "
Your place is set will you be there?"
I am still in a very dark tunnel, so dark and seemingly drowning in
despair. I knew a way out myself - taking things out of God's hands
and into my own hands. Then God the Father spoke to me in the garden-
"If you do that, I'll have to rearrange the table settings. Take your
place from the table reserved for the people of great faith, and place
you further down where the people of little faith sit. Wouldn't you
rather sit with friends you know intimately around your table, than to
have Me place you with complete strangers?
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02 Feb 2004 09:20:57 PM |
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Interesting for sure but the place this guy wasn't in Hell!
Hell is worse then even the place this guy was in.
G-d was allowing this man to understand something most people can't grasp!
This something is the fact that we are indeed not alone. We are in a war
with a enemy who wants to totally destroy us. We are allowed to see the
total and complete insanity of these beings and what they "wish" to do to
us. These evil beings believe that we are nothing but their toys. They
believe that we are animals and not worth anything at all. They will attempt
to kill us all because we will not even believe that they exist.
Hell is allot worse then anyone can imagine because this place is a place
that we were never meant to be placed in. Its a place where G-d is not and
where G-d is not there is nothing at all. What I'm saying is that this place
is a place of total and complete nothingness. If you have eyes they will not
see. If you have ears you will not hear. If you have skin it will not feel.
There are no smells, no voices, no hot or cold. If you cry out there is no
one to hear you! All there is in this place is the one you loved the most,
"YOU"
If you want to find out why this is so bad you need to look up what happens
to the human mind when its exposed to prolonged sensory depravation. Want a
real scare lock yourself up in a dark room for a year. You might be
interested in knowing that your mind will run out your ears after a while.
Sensory depravation has been used as a very effective method of torture over
the years. It also used for brain washing a person. The key to all this is
knowing that if your mind doesn't get the sensory input it needs it will
create its own input. It should be remembered that our reality is what we
perceive in our minds. If our mind thinks we are being burned you feel the
burn. This is true even if you are not burned. There have been people who
have lost limbs in accidents. Sometimes their missing limb will feel to them
like its on fire because their mind thinks its on fire. The pain is so bad
that even under deep Anastasia they feel the pain.
The Bible says that our Spirits are wicked nasty things! Now imagine being
with yourself for all eternity, with that nasty minds of yours. All of us
have a dark side that we have to struggle to control. Now imagine loosing
that struggle and having that evil entity in your mind having its way with
you. In many ways we are our own worst enemies. I have a feeling that
everyone will experience Hell differently and no one is going to have a good
time of it.
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| User: "William" |
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04 Feb 2004 10:27:34 AM |
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On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 19:20:57 -0800, "SeaWolf" <WyldeRover@Catnip.net>
wrote:
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The Bible says that our Spirits are wicked nasty things! Now imagine being
with yourself for all eternity, with that nasty minds of yours. All of us
have a dark side that we have to struggle to control. Now imagine loosing
that struggle and having that evil entity in your mind having its way with
you. In many ways we are our own worst enemies. I have a feeling that
everyone will experience Hell differently and no one is going to have a good
time of it.
But heaven must be far worse if, as some christians claim, people
freely chose to go to hell rather than heaven.
William
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| User: "SeaWolf" |
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04 Feb 2004 06:58:04 PM |
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But heaven must be far worse if, as some christians claim, people
freely chose to go to hell rather than heaven.
William
This IS an interesting statement for sure! Its a good valid question! Why
would all these people choose NOT to be with G-d? In the end game this is
what the choice is about really. You have G-d and his house, there IS no
other house or place to BE in.
G-d strongly indicates that he loves us and only wants the best things for
us! All we have to do is look at Biblical history to discover that when
Israel did the right thing their country really prospered. When then did the
wrong thing Israel got invaded and their people enslaved. Look at America,
when we did the right thing the country prospered, but now we are going to
end up a dead nation. What I find interesting is that the people of this
country are totally and completely blind to what's happening to them. Most
"Christians" don't even care for the most part. The thing they seem to be
most interested in is the fact that their jobs are all going away. They
don't seem to care WHY their jobs are going away only that they are loosing
their jobs and they will do most anything in order to maintain their
standard of living.
G-d really isn't asking for very much really. If you boil everything down to
a key point you have Love G-d, Love your neighbor! Do these two things and
your nation and its people will fair well. I really don't see the problem
with having a relationship with G-d. He seems to be a good standard to look
up too. When you really get down to it, its not G-d who trashes us when we
mess up but people who are looking to control us using guilt. From what I've
seen G-d tells us that if we mess up, talk to him and he will help guide us
in a direction that will allow us to do a better job of things. It takes
time to get things right. It take discipline and sometimes allot of things
have to be worked out in a person's life. The problem is that when we mess
up our "Church" will turn on us and tell us we are cursed or going to hell
when in fact this isn't always the case at all.
If you love G-d and want to do his will then you are not going to trash out
your neighbor. This means that your neighbor can trust you, knowing that you
are not going to do anything bad to him or his family. When relationships
like this develop between people they can work well with one another and
you know that your neighbor is always there for you.
In the society I now live in I live less then 100 feet from my neighbors and
I have NO IDEA who they are, what they think, not even what their names are.
This place is strange to say the least.
So why is it when G-d calls to us we literally RUN away from him? Why are
people so angry at G-d and I do mean angry? Why do people want so badly to
do all this stuff that they know will harm them? I mean we got people out
there who are literally committing suicide with the lifestyles they lead.
They know the dangers from the things they are doing and its like they don't
care.
Tell a homosexual that what he's doing will harm him and he will want you
dead!
Tell a Abortionist that what they are doing is bad and will eventually harm
the society and they will say to you "We WILL Silence you!" At least that's
what I've been told. We Christian types are not going to force anyone to do
anything. G-d tells us to be "wise as serpents and as gentile as sheep!" So
its not like WE are Muslims and going to do something violent. Now I see the
news media saying that the Christians are bad and the Muslims are a peaceful
religion. When they running around and using any means to "take the world
for Allah!"
So is Heaven worse then Hell? This is like asking if you like to be with
people are be alone. Hell is being alone, totally, completely, alone! Heaven
means being with and working with "everyone!" Its not like we are going to
sit around playing harps all day. I have the feeling that G-d is going to
keep us busy doing all kinds of things for him. Is working for G-d a bad
thing? I think it might be fun, maybe a little stressful at times but OK! I
like being busy doing good things. I like the idea that the person I'm doing
things for is loyal to me and is there to help me when I need help.
In the end I think its a matter of total choice. You can choose to be with
G-d or you can say I want to be totally by myself! I don't like to be alone.
I like company. I like doing things. I like to know that when I do stuff I'm
helping not harming other folks.
So I'm not sure what you are saying in your post here?
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| User: "William" |
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05 Feb 2004 08:23:22 AM |
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 00:58:04 GMT, "SeaWolf" <Gfreed45@hotmail.com>
wrote:
But heaven must be far worse if, as some christians claim, people
freely chose to go to hell rather than heaven.
William
This IS an interesting statement for sure! Its a good valid question! Why
would all these people choose NOT to be with G-d? In the end game this is
what the choice is about really. You have G-d and his house, there IS no
other house or place to BE in.
G-d strongly indicates that he loves us and only wants the best things for
us! All we have to do is look at Biblical history to discover that when
Israel did the right thing their country really prospered.
I understand that most christians now don't take the OT literally -
particularly the bits where God allegedly instructs the slaughter of
babies and children. On the other hand we have David lamenting in his
Psalms that the wicked prosper and the righteous are afflicted. As
with many interpretations of the bible, you can get out of it what you
want. If the message was important you would think an omnisceient,
omnipotent God would be able to get it across clear and unambigous -
particularily to his followers.
When then did the
wrong thing Israel got invaded and their people enslaved. Look at America,
when we did the right thing the country prospered, but now we are going to
end up a dead nation.
On the other hand, look at Europe during the time the church had the
population all to itself - it is is known as the 'Dark Ages'.
What I find interesting is that the people of this
country are totally and completely blind to what's happening to them. Most
"Christians" don't even care for the most part.
Maybe that's just as well. When they did care we had the Inquisition
and the hounding down of heretics and their families and the
accumalation of vast wealth while the ordinarly folk starved in
poverty.
The thing they seem to be
most interested in is the fact that their jobs are all going away. They
don't seem to care WHY their jobs are going away only that they are loosing
their jobs and they will do most anything in order to maintain their
standard of living.
What's new?
G-d really isn't asking for very much really. If you boil everything down to
a key point you have Love G-d, Love your neighbor! Do these two things and
your nation and its people will fair well. I really don't see the problem
with having a relationship with G-d. He seems to be a good standard to look
up too.
The problem is that there is not a scrap of evidence that he, or any
God, exists.
When you really get down to it, its not G-d who trashes us when we
mess up but people who are looking to control us using guilt.
That seems sensible. God would have to exist to trash us.
From what I've
seen G-d tells us that if we mess up, talk to him and he will help guide us
in a direction that will allow us to do a better job of things. It takes
time to get things right. It take discipline and sometimes allot of things
have to be worked out in a person's life. The problem is that when we mess
up our "Church" will turn on us and tell us we are cursed or going to hell
when in fact this isn't always the case at all.
But since the church has lost so much credibility in its splits and
inner bickering and failure to get a basic agreement on even basic
apologetics or doctrine maybe no-one is going to take a lot of notice
of it anyway.
If you love G-d and want to do his will then you are not going to trash out
your neighbor.
A lot of people who don't see any evidence for the existence of any
Gods don't trash their neigbours either.
This means that your neighbor can trust you, knowing that you
are not going to do anything bad to him or his family. When relationships
like this develop between people they can work well with one another and
you know that your neighbor is always there for you.
That's how I work with my neigbours.
In the society I now live in I live less then 100 feet from my neighbors and
I have NO IDEA who they are, what they think, not even what their names are.
This place is strange to say the least.
Maybe you spend too much time in religious gatherings and don't get
out to meet real people.
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So I'm not sure what you are saying in your post here?
Well, you have taken quite a few words to say so!!
Good luck
William
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| User: "SeaWolf" |
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06 Feb 2004 12:01:57 AM |
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"William" <telige@mail.clara.fl.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 00:58:04 GMT, "SeaWolf" <Gfreed45@hotmail.com>
wrote:
But heaven must be far worse if, as some Christians claim, people
freely chose to go to hell rather than heaven.
William
This IS an interesting statement for sure! Its a good valid question!
Why
would all these people choose NOT to be with G-d? In the end game this is
what the choice is about really. You have G-d and his house, there IS no
other house or place to BE in.
G-d strongly indicates that he loves us and only wants the best things
for
us! All we have to do is look at Biblical history to discover that when
Israel did the right thing their country really prospered.
I understand that most Christians now don't take the OT literally -
particularly the bits where God allegedly instructs the slaughter of
babies and children. On the other hand we have David lamenting in his
Psalms that the wicked prosper and the righteous are afflicted. As
with many interpretations of the bible, you can get out of it what you
want. If the message was important you would think an omniscient,
omnipotent God would be able to get it across clear and unambiguous -
particularly to his followers.
There are some good reasons why "Christians" don't take the old testament
literally! Mostly the problem is that we have brainwashed to be PC! We are
so messed up that we can't understand why G-d might have to do a bunch of
people in. They are not even willing to look at the big picture because if
they did they would understand that we are now in the same place the
Canaanites were in those days.
So lets look at the big picture shall we!!!! Lets say you are G-d and you
these people that you have to find a place for them to live. These guys
aren't great but they are in good shape mentally and physically. Now you
know a place where you have been trying to work with the people for years.
The people who are in the land are total and complete Pagans and are just
going wild to say the least. As a matter of fact these people are going to
crazy that they have harmed themselves both mentally and physically. I mean
we are talking murder in the land big time.
Notice today how sexually transmitted diseases are everywhere these days! As
a matter of fact what you are not being told is that these social diseases
are now so bad that they are effecting the birth rate big time. Thirty
percent of the females who now attend college are infected with social
disease that will cause sterility. As you might guess AIDS isn't the only
disease we have to worry about. There are actually a bunch of diseases that
are sexually transmitted and our society as a whole IS infected big time.
Now with all our medications and what not we are INFECTED as a society big
time. As a matter of fact many of these diseases are out of control. Many
more of them now have immunities to the drugs we have been using to treat
all this stuff. If you were to go back to the time of the Canaanites you
will find that they had no medical treatments for any of these things. As a
matter of fact these people wouldn't have a clue as to what was going on.
The infection rate amongst these people would be almost total and complete.
I would bet you that not only were all the adults infected with several
social diseases but the children would be infected too.
I mean look what's going on in our society today. You and I know that its
just a matter of time until the homosexuals will start doing children. As a
matter of fact, they are doing children now for the most part. Children who
are born to parents that are infected will also be infected too. What we are
talking about here is a population of people who are diseased big time. In
those days these folks would have been called UnClean.
Understand that in those days no one had a clue about disease organisms. G-d
would call them unclean but he knew what unclean was. The people however
always seem to take things to far and if you simply born to a curtain group
of people you were unclean. You might see how this could happen because G-d
told them that the people who were living in the land they were going to
were "unclean." People being what we are would have the tendency to think
that everyone other then our group is unclean when in fact that might not be
true.
Well, you can now see that you have the problem of a land full of people who
are diseased to the hilt. You could heal them but because of their style of
living they would re-infect themselves in very little time. If you let your
people in the area they too would be infected. I mean the disease was so bad
that everything was probably infected. You may have noticed that G-d often
not only had all the Humans killed but also the Animals. I will bet you any
amount that the people were having sex with the animal too. You might say NO
WAY but just look around on the net and you will know that people are now
into every perversion.
So, Christians first have to understand that the land no land belongs to us!
This place belongs to G-d not men. Second the people in that place were
totally diseased. The men, the women, the children, the animals were just
packed full of all kinds of nasty stuff. As I said you can see how fast
these diseases spread in a modern society that has medical treatment. Think
about what it would have been like back in the old testament.The Lord could
perform a morale but what would be the point as these people due to their
Pagan life style would simply re-infect. The results would have to be the
total and complete elimination of those people.
I mean what else could G-d to in this case. The fact that G-d had them kill
the Animals in many cases show definitively that something was very wrong.
The Animals were considered unclean and there was a good reason for this.
We don't want to see this little fact! Why? Because the way we are now
living parallels the way the Canaanite Pagan's were living. I'm sorry to say
but at some point G-d may have no choice but to kill off a great number of
the American population. Understand that after Armageddon you are going to
have a group of people who are left with nothing. They are going to have to
start over completely. G-d can't have people around who continue to act like
animals or even worse. He needs the society to stay clean and the only way
to do this is to insure that people behave themselves. Those that are
infected with all kinds of sexual diseases can not be allowed to re-infect
everyone else because at that point the population that is left on the earth
is going to be kind of small I would think.
As a matter of fact G-d indicates that there are going to be some special
trees where their leaves will be used to heal the nations. But then again
the worlds infrastructure is going to be completely trashed. Even if you
could use this medication it would be difficult to get it distributed to
everyone who need it.
So as you can see G-d isn't a genocidal daemon for sure. What he was doing
was to "clean up the area" before he let his clean people in that area. My
only gripe for the most part was that G-d used the Israeli people who do the
killing. I would have a difficult time killings people period. I just
couldn't kill women or children unless they were shooting at me.We don't
really know if the Pagan's were using their children as warriors. The
Palestinians use their children to blow up people. They use their women to
blow up people too. As a matter of fact they have been infecting these
people before they blow themselves up in an attempt to make these people
into human biological weapons. The Vietnamese people were doing much the
same kind of thing. American troops were being attacked by children, women
and young as 10 year of age. So if we really look at what we do today I
could easily see what G-d was forced to do what he did.
When then did the
wrong thing Israel got invaded and their people enslaved. Look at
America,
when we did the right thing the country prospered, but now we are going
to
end up a dead nation.
On the other hand, look at Europe during the time the church had the
population all to itself - it is is known as the 'Dark Ages'.
Ah yes, but what Church was that exactly? The Holy Roman Empire! I'm
Catholic or I should say I was Catholic. Ah well I guess I'll always be a
little Catholic but my point is this. If you study the RCC you will find
that they were more Pagan then Christian. I could go into it but that's a
entire post on its own. Real Christian groups shouldn't have to use fear as
their main crowd control device. Fear works to some extent but its not the
greatest motivator either. Also understand that at some point we had the
Renaissance period and that same church was still on vogue.
What I find interesting is that the people of this
country are totally and completely blind to what's happening to them.
Most
"Christians" don't even care for the most part.
Maybe that's just as well. When they did care we had the Inquisition
and the hounding down of heretics and their families and the
accumalation of vast wealth while the ordinarly folk starved in
poverty.
No I don't think you understand what want on in that period. I'll try to
make it short. In the beginning Rome was based on the Concept of the
Republic and the enforcement of the Laws of the state. What they were
attempting to do in the beginning was to as they put it "Bring the Light of
Roman Civilization" to the world. What people don't know or don't want to
know is that for a while it worked. As a matter of fact it worked too well.
The Roman system was working so well the Romans fought more to keep people
out then to conquer new people's.
The reason why this was going on was because if you were Roman you were
under Roman protection. The problem most villages were having was that they
weren't able to defend themselves from Raiders. As a matter of fact Rome was
formed by farmers who were looking for away to stop Raiders. Roman leaders
were looking for away to ensure everyone had a say in what went on in the
Empire so they adopted a Greek form of government known as the Republic. The
Emperor actually was nothing more then a figure head. He couldn't do
anything until the Senate approved it first. This system of government
worked well up until the Empire was flooded with people who were looking for
the Benefits they could derive. These people Rioted all the time looking for
more handouts. As the government got more corrupt they kept the people
satisfied with Bread and Circus as they put it. They gave out free food and
they kept the people entertained! Eventually the Empire due to corruption
and trying to make too many people happy went broke. It was basically over
run to the point where it was no longer functional.
Well Rome had this big problem and it was getting worse all the time. You
have to understand Rome and the Roman system. Roman leaders are simple in
what they want. They want two things more then anything else, Order and
Taxes. The problem was at that time is that the Pagans wanted the Christians
dead and the Christian were starting to gain power because many Romans
admired their bravery. The Pagans were rioting all over the place and the
Christians were dieing all over the place. What made things really bad were
the Roman soldiers and leaders were going Christen because they admired the
loyally the Christian had. They also admired the ethics and hard word and
their stead fastness which were at one time old Roman traits.
The result was that Rome found "the middle ground" you might say. They were
looking for away to satisfy both the Christians and the Pagans. Constantine
came up with the perfect solution. If the Christians accepted Roman rule the
Romans would declare that Christianity would be a certified and accepted by
the Empire. The Christians were at this point desperate for the persecution
to stop so they accepted the offer. Rome basically Romenized Christianity
making acceptable to all sides.
If you go into any Catholic Church people kneel and pray to statues. They
chant using the Rosary, they worship the Saints. The various Saints were in
fact replacement Roman gods with Marry being the queen of heaven. It all
worked out nicely for the New Holy Roman Empire. A benefit that Rome really
liked was that now that they WERE not only the government but the church
too, they found that they had a great deal more power over the people. What
people don't understand that the most powerful government on earth is a
government that totally controls the Religious system too. Now you have the
government as god!!!! Get it!!!! This is why in the End Times the New World
Order will not only control the world through the a government system but
they will also have total control over the Church system too.
What I'm saying is that the Church system of that time had very little to do
with Christianity at all. It was simply a new and improved Rome that's all.
You can see that really Rome didn't change as they used some of the same
methodology as they have always used. The only difference is that now it had
a religious twist.
The thing they seem to be
most interested in is the fact that their jobs are all going away. They
don't seem to care WHY their jobs are going away only that they are
loosing
their jobs and they will do most anything in order to maintain their
standard of living.
What's new?
Indeed!!!!
G-d really isn't asking for very much really. If you boil everything down
to
a key point you have Love G-d, Love your neighbor! Do these two things
and
your nation and its people will fair well. I really don't see the problem
with having a relationship with G-d. He seems to be a good standard to
look
up too.
The problem is that there is not a scrap of evidence that he, or any
God, exists.
As I've always said if you don't want to look you will never see! There is
so much evidence its absolutely frightening. There have been times I've
prayed over people and STUFF happens to the point that it can be a bit
frightening. The real problem for many is that if there is no G-d we are so
dead! This would mean that we are nothing more then a bunch of nut case
animals. This in fact is what people today are believing and you can see
where its going. Also understand that currently with the media system we now
have you are only going to hear everything that is bad about "Christians"
They were working overtime to remove everything Christian from society! Ever
wonder why! I mean Muslims are blowing up people and buildings and they are
a good religion right. Is something wrong with this picture.
Indeed, you are going to find today that there are allot of messed up
Christians and I do mean messed up too. These guys are almost totally out of
their minds for sure. But I don't believe in a church of some group of
people. I'm going with G-d and G-d only. I talk with him and not so much
with people and since I've been doing this I've been better! Those
"Christians" say I'm damned, cursed, and many other things because I don't
do things their way. I'm sorry but I don't often agree with their way and
that gets me into hot water. But this is OK! I don't roll in on the floor, I
don't talk strange or make strange noises. I don't have holy laughter or do
anything else strange either. I'm not looking to feel good but more
interested in finding out what this G-d is about and the fact of the matter
is the more I find out about him the more I like him.
When you really get down to it, its not G-d who trashes us when we
mess up but people who are looking to control us using guilt.
That seems sensible. God would have to exist to trash us.
Oh heck yeah! When the RCC was done with me I absolutely hated G-d big time.
Hey I even got cursed by the 700Club! According to these people I'm going to
hell big time. Know what? These people don't even know what hell is! They
don't know what having a relationship with G-d is either. They think G-d is
their puppet and boy are they wrong!!! Oh are they wrong and they don't want
to hear they are wrong either.
From what I've
seen G-d tells us that if we mess up, talk to him and he will help guide
us
in a direction that will allow us to do a better job of things. It takes
time to get things right. It take discipline and sometimes allot of
things
have to be worked out in a person's life. The problem is that when we
mess
up our "Church" will turn on us and tell us we are cursed or going to
hell
when in fact this isn't always the case at all.
But since the church has lost so much credibility in its splits and
inner bickering and failure to get a basic agreement on even basic
apologetics or doctrine maybe no-one is going to take a lot of notice
of it anyway.
For the most part in my opinion the church as we knew it is dead. There are
some good churches out there but they are few and far between. Most of these
places are little more them social clubs. They job is to see how to extract
money from you from what I've seen. Now I'm not saying that all of them are
bad but far too many of them are bad.
Tell you what! I've personally asked G-d the question about this "How can
there be so many churches in this country yet the country is so messed up?"
Sounds like a good question to me. Here's the answer I got.
Understand here that G-d knows I'm a sea going type person, OK!
"Isn't my word like that of a great light! Isn't my word like that of a
light house on the sea?"
My answer; Yes Lord!
"If you put the light of my word into a great room will not that light
illuminate the entire room and everyone in it?"
Answer; Yes Lord!
"Then if your people had the light of my word amongst them how is it that
your country and your countrymen reside in such darkness!"
Wow man, like how does a person answer this!
Well he answered the question big time!
I've had to give answers like this to church people too and let me tell you
they will not even consider it.
If you love G-d and want to do his will then you are not going to trash
out
your neighbor.
A lot of people who don't see any evidence for the existence of any
Gods don't trash their neighbors either.
At one time I would agree with you but today when it comes down to loyalties
no one had any. I used to work at a really big company and the back stabbing
that went on in there was beyond belief. My wife currently runs a retail
store and the employees will steal you blind. People bring back stuff that
they say doesn't work when its obvious they broke it. When you show them
they broke it they get angry and sometimes violent. One business I had I had
to always be armed. This kind of stuff happens more and more and its getting
dangerous. I had a job where I ran a resort! You wouldn't believe the stuff
that went on. The fights, the craziness the drinking and the drugs. Some of
these people were dangerous and again they would steal anything not nailed
down. I don't remember any of this stuff going on when I was a kid. My dad
doesn't remember this stuff going on when he fought WWII. Even in the middle
of a war zone people were not totally crazy. He says its really nuts these
days and his house is alarmed to the hilt. He's been hit a few times
already!
This means that your neighbor can trust you, knowing that you
are not going to do anything bad to him or his family. When relationships
like this develop between people they can work well with one another and
you know that your neighbor is always there for you.
That's how I work with my neighbors.
Allot depends where you live and how much money you make. If you live in a
good neighborhood the likely hood of getting hit is kind of low. At least
you will not get hit by your neighbors but its more likely your going to get
hit by outsiders. There was a place I lived where they're wasn't anyone
around so the crime rate was low. I've been all over the place and for the
most part I've never known the neighbors. This was even true when I lived in
a neighborhood for years. There have been a few occasions where I found the
neighbors kids attempting to take my property. Lots of kids on drugs these
days.
We will have to see what happens! More and more people are now loosing their
jobs. Things are getting tight and life is getting hard. I'm sure the soon
we are going to see how things turn out. When everyone is living well I
would think that problems would be low but things are not so good in many
places, this being one of those places. We will have to see what people do.
Its good that you can work with your neighbors, there are allot of places
where this is not the case. Rental areas are can real really difficult. We
lived in some rentals a couple of times. One place we had to hit the floor
about once a month due to gun fire. Another place the police were there
almost every night busting someone for something. There were horrid
screaming fights going on all the time. Ick!
In the society I now live in I live less then 100 feet from my neighbors
and
I have NO IDEA who they are, what they think, not even what their names
are.
This place is strange to say the least.
Maybe you spend too much time in religious gatherings and don't get
out to meet real people.
I don't know I don't go to church very much!
So I'm not sure what you are saying in your post here?
Sorry you don't understand what I'm saying I do try!
Hence all them words.!
I'm a really fast typer!
Liked talking with you though!
Good day! :)
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06 Feb 2004 12:44:21 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 06:01:57 GMT, "SeaWolf" <Gfreed45@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Sorry you don't understand what I'm saying I do try!
Hence all them words.!
I'm a really fast typer!
Liked talking with you though!
Good day! :)
You write far too much. I can't pull out any stuff to respond to. If
you want to discuss any particular bit then put that clearly and in a
few paragraphs
William
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07 Feb 2004 03:53:30 PM |
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Your right! I write too much for sure!
"William" <telige@mail.clara.fl.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 06:01:57 GMT, "SeaWolf" <Gfreed45@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Sorry you don't understand what I'm saying I do try!
Hence all them words.!
I'm a really fast typer!
Liked talking with you though!
Good day! :)
You write far too much. I can't pull out any stuff to respond to. If
you want to discuss any particular bit then put that clearly and in a
few paragraphs
William
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