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I hear a lot of different names given for both and it makes me
wonder. What is a good translation for these Hebrew names?
I'm asking because there seems to be a lot of confusion.
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On Dec 10, 5:46 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
I hear a lot of different names given for both and it makes me
wonder. What is a good translation for these Hebrew names?
I'm asking because there seems to be a lot of confusion.
Boo hoo.
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10 Dec 2007 09:05:47 PM |
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On Dec 10, 5:46 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
I hear a lot of different names given for both and it makes me
wonder. What is a good translation for these Hebrew names?
I'm asking because there seems to be a lot of confusion.
First of all, Elohim is not JVHV, but ALHJM, and Elohim is plural.
ALHJ is the singular form. You cannot mix false Judaism, which
rejects Jesus, with true Judaism, which explains that the LORD is
actually JHVSA and not JHVH. In the Judaic scheme there is no place
for Jesus. If you think otherwise, you had better explain yourself,
because all Jews who believe the LORD is JHVH reject Jesus, once and
for all. JHVSA is Jehoshua Moshiach. "Believe me that I [am] in the
Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works'
sake." (John 14:11) Jesus Christ incarnate is a devotee and disciple
of the Father, who is Michael Moshiach, but in his true estate, as
Jehoshua Moshiach, Jesus is the LORD, and the Father is his angel.
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11 Dec 2007 09:15:05 PM |
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On Dec 10, 10:05 pm, wrote:
On Dec 10, 5:46 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
I hear a lot of different names given for both and it makes me
wonder. What is a good translation for these Hebrew names?
I'm asking because there seems to be a lot of confusion.
First of all, Elohim is not JVHV, but ALHJM, and Elohim is plural.
ALHJ is the singular form. You cannot mix false Judaism, which
rejects Jesus, with true Judaism, which explains that the LORD is
actually JHVSA and not JHVH. In the Judaic scheme there is no place
for Jesus. If you think otherwise, you had better explain yourself,
because all Jews who believe the LORD is JHVH reject Jesus, once and
for all. JHVSA is Jehoshua Moshiach. "Believe me that I [am] in the
Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works'
sake." (John 14:11) Jesus Christ incarnate is a devotee and disciple
of the Father, who is Michael Moshiach, but in his true estate, as
Jehoshua Moshiach, Jesus is the LORD, and the Father is his angel.
I see where you may be getting some of this now.
Michael means "who (is) like God?" in the Hebrew, Heb. 4317.
And in Rev. 12:7, it is Michael and his angels who fought the
'dragon', rather than God and his angels.
Yet Jude 1:9 seems to refute that, saying "Michael the archangel, when
contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst
not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke
thee."
Jude calls Michael an archangel who feared to accuse a devil and
fought him only by saying, "The Lord rebuke thee".
What belief system do you adhere to, or is this your own
understanding?
And why do you refer to God as Allah as you've done in other posts?
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11 Dec 2007 09:29:48 PM |
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On Dec 11, 7:15 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
On Dec 10, 10:05 pm, wrote:
On Dec 10, 5:46 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
I hear a lot of different names given for both and it makes me
wonder. What is a good translation for these Hebrew names?
I'm asking because there seems to be a lot of confusion.
First of all, Elohim is not JVHV, but ALHJM, and Elohim is plural.
ALHJ is the singular form. You cannot mix false Judaism, which
rejects Jesus, with true Judaism, which explains that the LORD is
actually JHVSA and not JHVH. In the Judaic scheme there is no place
for Jesus. If you think otherwise, you had better explain yourself,
because all Jews who believe the LORD is JHVH reject Jesus, once and
for all. JHVSA is Jehoshua Moshiach. "Believe me that I [am] in the
Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works'
sake." (John 14:11) Jesus Christ incarnate is a devotee and disciple
of the Father, who is Michael Moshiach, but in his true estate, as
Jehoshua Moshiach, Jesus is the LORD, and the Father is his angel.
I see where you may be getting some of this now.
Michael means "who (is) like God?" in the Hebrew, Heb. 4317.
And in Rev. 12:7, it is Michael and his angels who fought the
'dragon', rather than God and his angels.
Yet Jude 1:9 seems to refute that, saying "Michael the archangel, when
contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst
not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke
thee."
Jude calls Michael an archangel who feared to accuse a devil and
fought him only by saying, "The Lord rebuke thee".
What belief system do you adhere to, or is this your own
understanding?
And why do you refer to God as Allah as you've done in other posts?
Well, first of all, I do not accept any new testament books except the
four Gospels. The reason is that the Apostles were thoroughly
confused by the teachings of Jesus. They could by no means sort out
what remained of the old testament teachings and what had been
countermanded. They could not penetrate to the depth of the new
teachings that Jesus had given them.
So, Jude's passage should read: the LORD rebuke thee, the LORD being
Jehoshua Moshiach, or G-D. Michael, as the angel of the LORD, is
Himself a Lord and a God. His Divine Name is I AM THAT I AM, EHYEH
ASHER EHYEH, AHJH ASR AHJH. ALLAH is another form of the LORD G-D.
JHVH is NOT a name for the ONE G-D or LORD, JHVH is the Divine Name of
the angel Gabriel. Moshe just got it wrong, for the reasons I have
already explained. It is MOSHE's sin that has caused all the problems
between the monotheistic religions. It has condemned the Jews to
eternal diaspora, i.e. sangsara or oblivion.
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11 Dec 2007 11:12:03 PM |
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On Dec 11, 10:29 pm, wrote:
On Dec 11, 7:15 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
On Dec 10, 10:05 pm, wrote:
On Dec 10, 5:46 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
I hear a lot of different names given for both and it makes me
wonder. What is a good translation for these Hebrew names?
I'm asking because there seems to be a lot of confusion.
First of all, Elohim is not JVHV, but ALHJM, and Elohim is plural.
ALHJ is the singular form. You cannot mix false Judaism, which
rejects Jesus, with true Judaism, which explains that the LORD is
actually JHVSA and not JHVH. In the Judaic scheme there is no place
for Jesus. If you think otherwise, you had better explain yourself,
because all Jews who believe the LORD is JHVH reject Jesus, once and
for all. JHVSA is Jehoshua Moshiach. "Believe me that I [am] in the
Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works'
sake." (John 14:11) Jesus Christ incarnate is a devotee and disciple
of the Father, who is Michael Moshiach, but in his true estate, as
Jehoshua Moshiach, Jesus is the LORD, and the Father is his angel.
I see where you may be getting some of this now.
Michael means "who (is) like God?" in the Hebrew, Heb. 4317.
And in Rev. 12:7, it is Michael and his angels who fought the
'dragon', rather than God and his angels.
Yet Jude 1:9 seems to refute that, saying "Michael the archangel, when
contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst
not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke
thee."
Jude calls Michael an archangel who feared to accuse a devil and
fought him only by saying, "The Lord rebuke thee".
What belief system do you adhere to, or is this your own
understanding?
And why do you refer to God as Allah as you've done in other posts?
Well, first of all, I do not accept any new testament books except the
four Gospels. The reason is that the Apostles were thoroughly
confused by the teachings of Jesus. They could by no means sort out
what remained of the old testament teachings and what had been
countermanded. They could not penetrate to the depth of the new
teachings that Jesus had given them.
So, Jude's passage should read: the LORD rebuke thee, the LORD being
Jehoshua Moshiach, or G-D. Michael, as the angel of the LORD, is
Himself a Lord and a God. His Divine Name is I AM THAT I AM, EHYEH
ASHER EHYEH, AHJH ASR AHJH. ALLAH is another form of the LORD G-D.
JHVH is NOT a name for the ONE G-D or LORD, JHVH is the Divine Name of
the angel Gabriel. Moshe just got it wrong, for the reasons I have
already explained. It is MOSHE's sin that has caused all the problems
between the monotheistic religions. It has condemned the Jews to
eternal diaspora, i.e. sangsara or oblivion.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Crazy LIAR,
Jude's passage DOES READ "the LORD rebuke thee".
So when are you going to demonstrate where the name Jehoshuah is in
the New Testament as you implied below?
wrote:
"Name one verse where Jesus is called Yeshua. Also, Joshua is NOT
Jehoshua. Joshua, the successor to Moshe, is obviously exactly the
same as Yeshua. You are just a bassackward liar through and through."
I've had enough of you already.
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15 Dec 2007 05:40:45 PM |
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On Dec 11, 9:12 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
On Dec 11, 10:29 pm, wrote:
On Dec 11, 7:15 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
On Dec 10, 10:05 pm, wrote:
On Dec 10, 5:46 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
I hear a lot of different names given for both and it makes me
wonder. What is a good translation for these Hebrew names?
I'm asking because there seems to be a lot of confusion.
First of all, Elohim is not JVHV, but ALHJM, and Elohim is plural.
ALHJ is the singular form. You cannot mix false Judaism, which
rejects Jesus, with true Judaism, which explains that the LORD is
actually JHVSA and not JHVH. In the Judaic scheme there is no place
for Jesus. If you think otherwise, you had better explain yourself,
because all Jews who believe the LORD is JHVH reject Jesus, once and
for all. JHVSA is Jehoshua Moshiach. "Believe me that I [am] in the
Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works'
sake." (John 14:11) Jesus Christ incarnate is a devotee and disciple
of the Father, who is Michael Moshiach, but in his true estate, as
Jehoshua Moshiach, Jesus is the LORD, and the Father is his angel.
I see where you may be getting some of this now.
Michael means "who (is) like God?" in the Hebrew, Heb. 4317.
And in Rev. 12:7, it is Michael and his angels who fought the
'dragon', rather than God and his angels.
Yet Jude 1:9 seems to refute that, saying "Michael the archangel, when
contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst
not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke
thee."
Jude calls Michael an archangel who feared to accuse a devil and
fought him only by saying, "The Lord rebuke thee".
What belief system do you adhere to, or is this your own
understanding?
And why do you refer to God as Allah as you've done in other posts?
Well, first of all, I do not accept any new testament books except the
four Gospels. The reason is that the Apostles were thoroughly
confused by the teachings of Jesus. They could by no means sort out
what remained of the old testament teachings and what had been
countermanded. They could not penetrate to the depth of the new
teachings that Jesus had given them.
So, Jude's passage should read: the LORD rebuke thee, the LORD being
Jehoshua Moshiach, or G-D. Michael, as the angel of the LORD, is
Himself a Lord and a God. His Divine Name is I AM THAT I AM, EHYEH
ASHER EHYEH, AHJH ASR AHJH. ALLAH is another form of the LORD G-D.
JHVH is NOT a name for the ONE G-D or LORD, JHVH is the Divine Name of
the angel Gabriel. Moshe just got it wrong, for the reasons I have
already explained. It is MOSHE's sin that has caused all the problems
between the monotheistic religions. It has condemned the Jews to
eternal diaspora, i.e. sangsara or oblivion.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Crazy LIAR,
Jude's passage DOES READ "the LORD rebuke thee".
So when are you going to demonstrate where the name Jehoshuah is in
the New Testament as you implied below?
wrote:
"Name one verse where Jesus is called Yeshua. Also, Joshua is NOT
Jehoshua. Joshua, the successor to Moshe, is obviously exactly the
same as Yeshua. You are just a bassackward liar through and through."
I've had enough of you already.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
MU
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On Dec 11, 9:12 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
On Dec 11, 10:29 pm, wrote:
On Dec 11, 7:15 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
On Dec 10, 10:05 pm, wrote:
On Dec 10, 5:46 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
I hear a lot of different names given for both and it makes me
wonder. What is a good translation for these Hebrew names?
I'm asking because there seems to be a lot of confusion.
First of all, Elohim is not JVHV, but ALHJM, and Elohim is plural.
ALHJ is the singular form. You cannot mix false Judaism, which
rejects Jesus, with true Judaism, which explains that the LORD is
actually JHVSA and not JHVH. In the Judaic scheme there is no place
for Jesus. If you think otherwise, you had better explain yourself,
because all Jews who believe the LORD is JHVH reject Jesus, once and
for all. JHVSA is Jehoshua Moshiach. "Believe me that I [am] in the
Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works'
sake." (John 14:11) Jesus Christ incarnate is a devotee and disciple
of the Father, who is Michael Moshiach, but in his true estate, as
Jehoshua Moshiach, Jesus is the LORD, and the Father is his angel.
I see where you may be getting some of this now.
Michael means "who (is) like God?" in the Hebrew, Heb. 4317.
And in Rev. 12:7, it is Michael and his angels who fought the
'dragon', rather than God and his angels.
Yet Jude 1:9 seems to refute that, saying "Michael the archangel, when
contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst
not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke
thee."
Jude calls Michael an archangel who feared to accuse a devil and
fought him only by saying, "The Lord rebuke thee".
What belief system do you adhere to, or is this your own
understanding?
And why do you refer to God as Allah as you've done in other posts?
Well, first of all, I do not accept any new testament books except the
four Gospels. The reason is that the Apostles were thoroughly
confused by the teachings of Jesus. They could by no means sort out
what remained of the old testament teachings and what had been
countermanded. They could not penetrate to the depth of the new
teachings that Jesus had given them.
So, Jude's passage should read: the LORD rebuke thee, the LORD being
Jehoshua Moshiach, or G-D. Michael, as the angel of the LORD, is
Himself a Lord and a God. His Divine Name is I AM THAT I AM, EHYEH
ASHER EHYEH, AHJH ASR AHJH. ALLAH is another form of the LORD G-D.
JHVH is NOT a name for the ONE G-D or LORD, JHVH is the Divine Name of
the angel Gabriel. Moshe just got it wrong, for the reasons I have
already explained. It is MOSHE's sin that has caused all the problems
between the monotheistic religions. It has condemned the Jews to
eternal diaspora, i.e. sangsara or oblivion.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Crazy LIAR,
Jude's passage DOES READ "the LORD rebuke thee".
So when are you going to demonstrate where the name Jehoshuah is in
the New Testament as you implied below?
wrote:
"Name one verse where Jesus is called Yeshua. Also, Joshua is NOT
Jehoshua. Joshua, the successor to Moshe, is obviously exactly the
same as Yeshua. You are just a bassackward liar through and through."
I've had enough of you already.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You do not exist.
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On Dec 11, 9:12 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
On Dec 11, 10:29 pm, wrote:
I see where you may be getting some of this now.
Michael means "who (is) like God?" in the Hebrew, Heb. 4317.
And in Rev. 12:7, it is Michael and his angels who fought the
'dragon', rather than God and his angels.
Yet Jude 1:9 seems to refute that, saying "Michael the archangel, when
contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst
not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke
thee."
Jude calls Michael an archangel who feared to accuse a devil and
fought him only by saying, "The Lord rebuke thee".
What belief system do you adhere to, or is this your own
understanding?
And why do you refer to God as Allah as you've done in other posts?
Well, first of all, I do not accept any new testament books except the
four Gospels. The reason is that the Apostles were thoroughly
confused by the teachings of Jesus. They could by no means sort out
what remained of the old testament teachings and what had been
countermanded. They could not penetrate to the depth of the new
teachings that Jesus had given them.
So, Jude's passage should read: the LORD rebuke thee, the LORD being
Jehoshua Moshiach, or G-D. Michael, as the angel of the LORD, is
Himself a Lord and a God. His Divine Name is I AM THAT I AM, EHYEH
ASHER EHYEH, AHJH ASR AHJH. ALLAH is another form of the LORD G-D.
JHVH is NOT a name for the ONE G-D or LORD, JHVH is the Divine Name of
the angel Gabriel. Moshe just got it wrong, for the reasons I have
already explained. It is MOSHE's sin that has caused all the problems
between the monotheistic religions. It has condemned the Jews to
eternal diaspora, i.e. sangsara or oblivion.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Crazy LIAR,
Jude's passage DOES READ "the LORD rebuke thee".
So when are you going to demonstrate where the name Jehoshuah is in
the New Testament as you implied below?
wrote:
"Name one verse where Jesus is called Yeshua. Also, Joshua is NOT
Jehoshua. Joshua, the successor to Moshe, is obviously exactly the
same as Yeshua. You are just a bassackward liar through and through."
I've had enough of you already.
You a no good liar. Jehoshua Moshiach no like liars. Not inherit
kingdom of G-D. You no answer, because you can't.
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You a no good liar.
The liar here is you, Islamist.
Ike
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On Dec 12, 2:29 pm, wrote:
And why do you refer to God as Allah as you've done in other posts?
Well, first of all, I do not accept any new testament books except the
four Gospels. The reason is that the Apostles were thoroughly
confused by the teachings of Jesus. They could by no means sort out
what remained of the old testament teachings and what had been
countermanded. They could not penetrate to the depth of the new
teachings that Jesus had given them.
So, Jude's passage should read: the LORD rebuke thee, the LORD being
Jehoshua Moshiach, or G-D. Michael, as the angel of the LORD, is
Himself a Lord and a God. His Divine Name is I AM THAT I AM, EHYEH
ASHER EHYEH, AHJH ASR AHJH. ALLAH is another form of the LORD G-D.
JHVH is NOT a name for the ONE G-D or LORD, JHVH is the Divine Name of
the angel Gabriel. Moshe just got it wrong, for the reasons I have
already explained. It is MOSHE's sin that has caused all the problems
between the monotheistic religions. It has condemned the Jews to
eternal diaspora, i.e. sangsara or oblivion.
You should except the writing of Apostle Peter for this reason,
Mat 16:17 And =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2 answering, said to him, =E2=80=
=9CBlessed are you, Shim=CA=BDon
Bar-Yonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My
Father in the heavens.
Mat 16:18 =E2=80=9CAnd I also say to you that you are K=C4=95pha, and on thi=
s rock
I shall build My assembly, and the gates of the grave shall not
overcome it.
Mat 16:19 =E2=80=9CAnd I shall give you the keys of the reign of the heavens=
,
and whatever you bind1 on earth shall be having been bound1 in the
heavens, and whatever you loosen1 on earth shall be having been
loosened1 in the heavens.=E2=80=9D Footnote: 1Binding and loosening is Heb=
=CC=B1rew
idiom for exercising authority (to prohibit and permit).
And in the CJB
Mat 16:17 "Shim`on Bar-Yochanan," Yeshua said to him, "how blessed
you are! For no human being revealed this to you, no, it was my Father
in heaven.
Mat 16:18 I also tell you this: you are Kefa," [which means `Rock,']
"and on this rock I will build my Community, and the gates of Sh'ol
will not overcome it.
Mat 16:19 I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven. Whatever
you prohibit on earth will be prohibited in heaven, and whatever you
permit on earth will be permitted in heaven."
Mat 16:20 Then he warned the talmidim not to tell anyone that he was
the Messiah.
Shalom my friend,
Snow
Each one has to find his peace from within. And peace to be real must
be unaffected by outside circumstances.
Mohandas Gandhi
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On Dec 11, 7:59=C2=A0pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
On Dec 12, 2:29 pm, wrote:
And why do you refer to God as Allah as you've done in other posts?
Well, first of all, I do not accept any new testament books except the
four Gospels. =C2=A0The reason is that the Apostles were thoroughly
confused by the teachings of Jesus. =C2=A0They could by no means sort ou=
t
what remained of the old testament teachings and what had been
countermanded. =C2=A0They could not penetrate to the depth of the new
teachings that Jesus had given them.
So, Jude's passage should read: =C2=A0the LORD rebuke thee, the LORD bei=
ng
Jehoshua Moshiach, or G-D. =C2=A0Michael, as the angel of the LORD, is
Himself a Lord and a God. =C2=A0His Divine Name is I AM THAT I AM, EHYEH=
ASHER EHYEH, AHJH ASR AHJH. =C2=A0ALLAH is another form of the LORD G-D.=
JHVH is NOT a name for the ONE G-D or LORD, JHVH is the Divine Name of
the angel Gabriel. =C2=A0Moshe just got it wrong, for the reasons I have=
already explained. =C2=A0It is MOSHE's sin that has caused all the probl=
ems
between the monotheistic religions. =C2=A0It has condemned the Jews to
eternal diaspora, i.e. sangsara or oblivion.
You should except the writing of Apostle Peter for this reason,
Mat 16:17 And =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2 answering, said to him, =E2=
=80=9CBlessed are you, Shim=CA=BDon
Bar-Yonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My
Father in the heavens.
Mat 16:18 =E2=80=9CAnd I also say to you that you are K=C4=95pha, and on t=
his rock
I shall build My assembly, and the gates of the grave shall not
overcome it.
Mat 16:19 =E2=80=9CAnd I shall give you the keys of the reign of the heave=
ns,
and whatever you bind1 on earth shall be having been bound1 in the
heavens, and whatever you loosen1 on earth shall be having been
loosened1 in the heavens.=E2=80=9D Footnote: 1Binding and loosening is Heb=
=CC=B1rew
idiom for exercising authority (to prohibit and permit).
And in the CJB
Mat 16:17 =C2=A0"Shim`on Bar-Yochanan," Yeshua said to him, "how blessed
you are! For no human being revealed this to you, no, it was my Father
in heaven.
Mat 16:18 =C2=A0I also tell you this: you are Kefa," [which means `Rock,']=
"and on this rock I will build my Community, and the gates of Sh'ol
will not overcome it.
Mat 16:19 =C2=A0I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven. Whateve=
r
you prohibit on earth will be prohibited in heaven, and whatever you
permit on earth will be permitted in heaven."
Mat 16:20 =C2=A0Then he warned the talmidim not to tell anyone that he was=
the Messiah.
Shalom my friend,
Snow
Each one has to find his peace from within. And peace to be real must
be unaffected by outside circumstances.
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Well, the point is that we have a choice between a *****-ant name that
has nothing going for it, namely Yeshua, =D7=99=D7=A9=D7=95=D7=A2, and a won=
derful name
that could be and is the very cornerstone of Jewish faith, namely
Jehoshua, =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2, which is moreover enough like =D7=
=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=94 that Moshe could
have mistaken the one for the other. There is no other place for
Jesus in Jewish belief, except right at the heart of it, where He
belongs, as the LORD G-D.
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On Dec 12, 3:15 pm, wrote:
Well, the point is that we have a choice between a *****-ant name that
has nothing going for it, namely Yeshua, =D7=99=D7=A9=D7=95=D7=A2, and a w=
onderful name
that could be and is the very cornerstone of Jewish faith, namely
Jehoshua, =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2, which is moreover enough like =
=D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=94 that Moshe could
have mistaken the one for the other. There is no other place for
Jesus in Jewish belief, except right at the heart of it, where He
belongs, as the LORD G-D.
Now on the one hand you claim you believe in the Good News of Yeshua
and then you say it is brought to naught. Something doesn't really
fit here and I'm curious as to what you really subscribe to. I don't
believe in the false apostle Paul and so somewhere, we have something
to agree with but the good news says,
Mat 28:18 Yeshua came and talked with them. He said, "All authority
in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Now by Torah Law we must have to witnesses for this to be claimed as
true..
Joh 17:1 After Yeshua had said these things, he looked up toward
heaven and said, "Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, so that
the Son may glorify you --
Joh 17:2 just as you gave him authority over all mankind, so that he
might give eternal life to all those whom you have given him.
We see that authority has been given to him,
Shalom,
Snow
God is, even though the whole world deny him. Truth stands, even if
there be no public support. It is self-sustained.
Mohandas Gandhi
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On Dec 11, 8:45=C2=A0pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
On Dec 12, 3:15 pm, wrote:
Well, the point is that we have a choice between a *****-ant name that
has nothing going for it, namely Yeshua, =D7=99=D7=A9=D7=95=D7=A2, and a=
wonderful name
that could be and is the very cornerstone of Jewish faith, namely
Jehoshua, =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2, which is moreover enough like =
=D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=94 that Moshe could
have mistaken the one for the other. =C2=A0There is no other place for
Jesus in Jewish belief, except right at the heart of it, where He
belongs, as the LORD G-D.
Now on the one hand you claim you believe in the Good News of Yeshua
and then you say it is brought to naught. =C2=A0Something doesn't really
fit here and I'm curious as to what you really subscribe to. =C2=A0I don't=
believe in the false apostle Paul and so somewhere, we have something
to agree with but the good news says,
Mat 28:18 =C2=A0Yeshua came and talked with them. He said, "All authority
in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Now by Torah Law we must have to witnesses for this to be claimed as
true..
Joh 17:1 =C2=A0After Yeshua had said these things, he looked up toward
heaven and said, "Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, so that
the Son may glorify you --
Joh 17:2 =C2=A0just as you gave him authority over all mankind, so that he=
might give eternal life to all those whom you have given him.
We see that authority has been given to him,
Shalom,
Snow
God is, even though the whole world deny him. Truth stands, even if
there be no public support. It is self-sustained.
Mohandas Gandhi
He is into Zen Buddhism...one of his beliefs...Claims Judaism...raised
by Jewish Atheists?? And I am pretty sure I read he was Messiah
according to himself??...Probably professes to the various wisdoms
posted at the bottom of your messages all combined together...Took
pride in being the most ecumenical person I have seen on these
threads.
I am going off of the many things he wrote...Some people think he is
schizophrenic... and recommended he get himself checked into a
psychiatric facility and get on meds.
Debra
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On Dec 11, 7:15 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
On Dec 10, 10:05 pm, wrote:
On Dec 10, 5:46 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
I hear a lot of different names given for both and it makes me
wonder. What is a good translation for these Hebrew names?
I'm asking because there seems to be a lot of confusion.
First of all, Elohim is not JVHV, but ALHJM, and Elohim is plural.
ALHJ is the singular form. You cannot mix false Judaism, which
rejects Jesus, with true Judaism, which explains that the LORD is
actually JHVSA and not JHVH. In the Judaic scheme there is no place
for Jesus. If you think otherwise, you had better explain yourself,
because all Jews who believe the LORD is JHVH reject Jesus, once and
for all. JHVSA is Jehoshua Moshiach. "Believe me that I [am] in the
Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works'
sake." (John 14:11) Jesus Christ incarnate is a devotee and disciple
of the Father, who is Michael Moshiach, but in his true estate, as
Jehoshua Moshiach, Jesus is the LORD, and the Father is his angel.
I see where you may be getting some of this now.
Michael means "who (is) like God?" in the Hebrew, Heb. 4317.
And in Rev. 12:7, it is Michael and his angels who fought the
'dragon', rather than God and his angels.
Yet Jude 1:9 seems to refute that, saying "Michael the archangel, when
contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst
not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke
thee."
Jude calls Michael an archangel who feared to accuse a devil and
fought him only by saying, "The Lord rebuke thee".
What belief system do you adhere to, or is this your own
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Oh my...He adheres to a huge combination of them...I think it is in a
thread regarding Why Be Jewish.
I also think he says he is Messiah if I am remembering correctly.
Debra
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On Dec 11, 11:11 pm, Debra <the2goldilo...@aol.com> wrote:
On Dec 11, 7:15 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
On Dec 10, 10:05 pm, wrote:
On Dec 10, 5:46 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
I hear a lot of different names given for both and it makes me
wonder. What is a good translation for these Hebrew names?
I'm asking because there seems to be a lot of confusion.
First of all, Elohim is not JVHV, but ALHJM, and Elohim is plural.
ALHJ is the singular form. You cannot mix false Judaism, which
rejects Jesus, with true Judaism, which explains that the LORD is
actually JHVSA and not JHVH. In the Judaic scheme there is no place
for Jesus. If you think otherwise, you had better explain yourself,
because all Jews who believe the LORD is JHVH reject Jesus, once and
for all. JHVSA is Jehoshua Moshiach. "Believe me that I [am] in the
Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works'
sake." (John 14:11) Jesus Christ incarnate is a devotee and disciple
of the Father, who is Michael Moshiach, but in his true estate, as
Jehoshua Moshiach, Jesus is the LORD, and the Father is his angel.
I see where you may be getting some of this now.
Michael means "who (is) like God?" in the Hebrew, Heb. 4317.
And in Rev. 12:7, it is Michael and his angels who fought the
'dragon', rather than God and his angels.
Yet Jude 1:9 seems to refute that, saying "Michael the archangel, when
contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst
not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke
thee."
Jude calls Michael an archangel who feared to accuse a devil and
fought him only by saying, "The Lord rebuke thee".
What belief system do you adhere to, or is this your own
understanding?
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Oh my...He adheres to a huge combination of them...I think it is in a
thread regarding Why Be Jewish.
I also think he says he is Messiah if I am remembering correctly.
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Thanks for the info, but I've lost my curiousity concerning him and
his 'beliefs'. He's bizarre in many ways. He has already told me he
understands the spiritual world better than anyone on earth and
believes he is more enlightened than Moses. Not a sign of good mental
health. He is acting like a real jackass.
FROM:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bible/msg/d662b07d2655c762
On Dec 10, 8:58 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
On Dec 10, 8:23 am, wrote:
On Dec 9, 4:38 pm, Linda Lee <lyndalee8...@juno.com> wrote:
It is not the NT that is confused; it is you. Yeshua` and our Father
are one.
Then who is YHVH? Yeshua, Jod Shin Vav Ayin, is a *****-ant name. The
correct name is Jehoshua, Jod He Vav Shin Ayin, which is enough like
Jod He Vav He that Moses could have mistaken one for the other, since
he never knew the true identity of the LORD that he saw in the burning
bush. This is symbolized by the fact that he could only see his
backside. You can't identify someone, especially someone you don't
already know, from the back.
How pathetic. You think you know more than Moshe/Moses and can see he
made mistakes.
wrote:
"Why is it pathetic, oh worthless human? Do you idolize Moses? If we
had not surpassed him after 3000 years something would be wrong. I
have deeper enlightenment than Moses. That's exactly what I said, and
it is absolutely true!"
AND (here is where I was speaking to Mark T, but he thought I was
challenging he possesses the greatest spiritual knowledge on earth:
FROM: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bible/msg/f287a21ac617bc09
Your inability to comprehend anything but the flesh is your problem.
God is a spirit; men and women *have* a spirit. The Spirit of Yeshua`
was/is God's Spirit. His spirit was not constrained the way ours is.-
wrote:
"You are an idiot. I do know the structure of the spiritual reality
better than any man. "Spiritual" is not a free pass to be a know-
nothing idiot."
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On Dec 11, 9:15 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
On Dec 10, 10:05 pm, wrote:
On Dec 10, 5:46 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
I hear a lot of different names given for both and it makes me
wonder. What is a good translation for these Hebrew names?
I'm asking because there seems to be a lot of confusion.
First of all, Elohim is not JVHV, but ALHJM, and Elohim is plural.
ALHJ is the singular form. You cannot mix false Judaism, which
rejects Jesus, with true Judaism, which explains that the LORD is
actually JHVSA and not JHVH. In the Judaic scheme there is no place
for Jesus. If you think otherwise, you had better explain yourself,
because all Jews who believe the LORD is JHVH reject Jesus, once and
for all. JHVSA is Jehoshua Moshiach. "Believe me that I [am] in the
Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works'
sake." (John 14:11) Jesus Christ incarnate is a devotee and disciple
of the Father, who is Michael Moshiach, but in his true estate, as
Jehoshua Moshiach, Jesus is the LORD, and the Father is his angel.
I see where you may be getting some of this now.
Michael means "who (is) like God?" in the Hebrew, Heb. 4317.
And in Rev. 12:7, it is Michael and his angels who fought the
'dragon', rather than God and his angels.
Yet Jude 1:9 seems to refute that, saying "Michael the archangel, when
contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst
not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke
thee."
Satan still had his title as covering cherub.There was nothing Michael
could do.
Jude calls Michael an archangel who feared to accuse a devil and
No fear.Titles mean things, just like rank in the military.
fought him only by saying, "The Lord rebuke thee".
What belief system do you adhere to, or is this your own
understanding?
And why do you refer to God as Allah as you've done in other posts?
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On Dec 12, 2:44 am, Mikal119 <adravi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 11, 9:15 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
On Dec 10, 10:05 pm, wrote:
On Dec 10, 5:46 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
I hear a lot of different names given for both and it makes me
wonder. What is a good translation for these Hebrew names?
I'm asking because there seems to be a lot of confusion.
First of all, Elohim is not JVHV, but ALHJM, and Elohim is plural.
ALHJ is the singular form. You cannot mix false Judaism, which
rejects Jesus, with true Judaism, which explains that the LORD is
actually JHVSA and not JHVH. In the Judaic scheme there is no place
for Jesus. If you think otherwise, you had better explain yourself,
because all Jews who believe the LORD is JHVH reject Jesus, once and
for all. JHVSA is Jehoshua Moshiach. "Believe me that I [am] in the
Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works'
sake." (John 14:11) Jesus Christ incarnate is a devotee and disciple
of the Father, who is Michael Moshiach, but in his true estate, as
Jehoshua Moshiach, Jesus is the LORD, and the Father is his angel.
I see where you may be getting some of this now.
Michael means "who (is) like God?" in the Hebrew, Heb. 4317.
And in Rev. 12:7, it is Michael and his angels who fought the
'dragon', rather than God and his angels.
Yet Jude 1:9 seems to refute that, saying "Michael the archangel, when
contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst
not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke
thee."
Satan still had his title as covering cherub.There was nothing Michael
could do.
Jude calls Michael an archangel who feared to accuse a devil and
No fear.Titles mean things, just like rank in the military.
fought him only by saying, "The Lord rebuke thee".
What belief system do you adhere to, or is this your own
understanding?
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The poster, who thinks he's St. Peter, was also contending that
Michael is God and Yeshua` or something like that.
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On Dec 12, 3:51 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
On Dec 12, 2:44 am, Mikal119 <adravi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 11, 9:15 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
On Dec 10, 10:05 pm, wrote:
On Dec 10, 5:46 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
I hear a lot of different names given for both and it makes me
wonder. What is a good translation for these Hebrew names?
I'm asking because there seems to be a lot of confusion.
First of all, Elohim is not JVHV, but ALHJM, and Elohim is plural.
ALHJ is the singular form. You cannot mix false Judaism, which
rejects Jesus, with true Judaism, which explains that the LORD is
actually JHVSA and not JHVH. In the Judaic scheme there is no place
for Jesus. If you think otherwise, you had better explain yourself,
because all Jews who believe the LORD is JHVH reject Jesus, once and
for all. JHVSA is Jehoshua Moshiach. "Believe me that I [am] in the
Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works'
sake." (John 14:11) Jesus Christ incarnate is a devotee and disciple
of the Father, who is Michael Moshiach, but in his true estate, as
Jehoshua Moshiach, Jesus is the LORD, and the Father is his angel.
I see where you may be getting some of this now.
Michael means "who (is) like God?" in the Hebrew, Heb. 4317.
And in Rev. 12:7, it is Michael and his angels who fought the
'dragon', rather than God and his angels.
Yet Jude 1:9 seems to refute that, saying "Michael the archangel, when
contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst
not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke
thee."
Satan still had his title as covering cherub.There was nothing Michael
could do.
Jude calls Michael an archangel who feared to accuse a devil and
No fear.Titles mean things, just like rank in the military.
fought him only by saying, "The Lord rebuke thee".
What belief system do you adhere to, or is this your own
understanding?
And why do you refer to God as Allah as you've done in other posts?- Hide quoted text -
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The poster, who thinks he's St. Peter, was also contending that
Michael is God and Yeshua` or something like that.
It is unlawful to worship angels.God has many names, but I worship God
under names like Sovereign Lord, or The Almighty,or The Lord Our
Righteousness.
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On Dec 12, 2:00=C2=A0am, DEE <adravi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 12, 3:51 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
On Dec 12, 2:44 am, Mikal119 <adravi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 11, 9:15 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
On Dec 10, 10:05 pm, wrote:
On Dec 10, 5:46 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
I hear a lot of different names given for both and it makes me
wonder. =C2=A0What is a good translation for these Hebrew names?=
I'm asking because there seems to be a lot of confusion.
First of all, Elohim is not JVHV, but ALHJM, and Elohim is plural.=
ALHJ is the singular form. =C2=A0You cannot mix false Judaism, whi=
ch
rejects Jesus, with true Judaism, which explains that the LORD is
actually JHVSA and not JHVH. =C2=A0In the Judaic scheme there is n=
o place
for Jesus. =C2=A0If you think otherwise, you had better explain yo=
urself,
because all Jews who believe the LORD is JHVH reject Jesus, once a=
nd
for all. =C2=A0JHVSA is Jehoshua Moshiach. =C2=A0"Believe me that =
I [am] in the
Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very work=
s'
sake." (John 14:11) =C2=A0Jesus Christ incarnate is a devotee and =
disciple
of the Father, who is Michael Moshiach, but in his true estate, as=
Jehoshua Moshiach, Jesus is the LORD, and the Father is his angel.=
I see where you may be getting some of this now.
Michael means "who (is) like God?" in the Hebrew, Heb. 4317.
And in Rev. 12:7, it is Michael and his angels who fought the
'dragon', rather than God and his angels.
Yet Jude 1:9 seems to refute that, saying "Michael the archangel, wh=
en
contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst=
not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuk=
e
thee."
Satan still had his title as covering cherub.There was nothing Michael=
could do.
Jude calls Michael an archangel who feared to accuse a devil and
No fear.Titles mean things, just like rank in the military.
fought him only by saying, "The Lord rebuke thee".
What belief system do you adhere to, or is this your own
understanding?
And why do you refer to God as Allah as you've done in other posts?-=
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The poster, who thinks he's St. Peter, was also contending that
Michael is God and Yeshua` or something like that.
It is unlawful to worship angels.God has many names, but I worship God
under names like Sovereign Lord, or The Almighty,or The Lord Our
Righteousness.
Don't get my doctrine from Linda girl, who is a lying b_tch.
What I say is that JHVH is the Divine Name of an angel, namely
Gabriel. It is Jews who are worshipping an angel in the place of the
LORD, whose name is =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2 , JHVSA, Jehoshua Moshiac=
h. THAT
worshipping of an angel in the place of the LORD is the Abomination of
Desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel. THAT is why there is all
the trouble between the three monotheistic religions. THAT is why the
Temple was destroyed and the Jews subjected to a diaspora that will
last indefinitely until they repent, if ever. Moshe was flat out
wrong, because he didn't really know the LORD, which is signified by
the fact that he wasn't allowed to see HIS face. Jews idolize Moshe
and they idolize Gabriel, an angel, in fact the whole Torah and all
subsequent literature is one big exercise in idolotry. Jews think
Moshe could not possibly be wrong, but they have abandoned critical
thought and so they cannot see the Truth, which is so obvious to any
objective observer.
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What I say is that JHVH is the Divine Name of an angel, namely
Gabriel.
Which is horseshit.
It is Jews who are worshipping an angel in the place of the
LORD, whose name is ????? , JHVSA, Jehoshua Moshiach.
Which is more horseshit
THAT
worshipping of an angel in the place of the LORD is the Abomination of
Desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel.
Which is even MORE horseshit.
THAT is why there is all
the trouble between the three monotheistic religions.
LOL
There are only two legitimate religions--Israelism and Christianity.
Then there are the fraud of Islam with their double lies.
1) Reverse the roles given in the Old Testament between the accepted sons
and the rejected sons, making themselves accepted when they are rejected.
2) Diminish Jesus Christ to what they can fit into their lies, denying His
divinity and Godhood
[snip the rest of the Islamic lies]
Ike
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12 Dec 2007 11:40:35 PM |
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"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@verizon.net> wrote:
MORE horseshit.
Which is what he usually writes.
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brother Raca is liable to hell fire? Now you have the misfortune to lead
anyone who reads you into immediate temptation to call you Raca. ... "
(Voltaire -The Jesuit Berthia)
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13 Dec 2007 02:25:58 AM |
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On Dec 12, 9:40 pm, "Mark T" <moi@home000whatever73> wrote:
"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybo...@verizon.net> wrote:
MORE horseshit.
Nice refutation. Hey, why don't you go eat some horseshit and die!
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On Dec 13, 4:40 pm, "Mark T" <moi@home000whatever73> wrote:
Anyways, back to business. I am serious that I want to know what
people think of the true names of our Father in heaven. One of my
personal favorite is =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=94 =C4=9Al Shaddai. I think I l=
ike it because of
it's placement in Revelations 19
Rev 19:6 And I heard as the voice of a great crowd, as the sound of
many waters and as the sound of mighty thunders, saying, =E2=80=9CHalleluyah=
,
for =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=94 =C4=9Al Shaddai reigns!
Rev 19:7 =E2=80=9CLet us be glad and rejoice and give Him praise, for the
marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife prepared herself.=E2=80=9D
Rev 19:8 And to her it was given to be dressed in fine linen, clean
and bright, for the fine linen is the righteousnesses of the set-apart
ones.
Rev 19:9 And he said to me, =E2=80=9CWrite, =E2=80=98Blessed are those who h=
ave been
called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!=E2=80=99 =E2=80=9D And he said to=
me,
=E2=80=9CThese are the true words of Elohim.=E2=80=9D
Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him, but he said to me,
=E2=80=9CSee, do not do it! I am your fellow servant, and of your brothers w=
ho
possess the witness of =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2. Worship Elohim! For t=
he witness of =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2
is the spirit of prophecy.=E2=80=9D
I think that all the followers of =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2 look forwar=
d to this day.
Shalom my friends,
Snow
He who conquers others is strong; He who conquers himself is mighty.
If you realize that all things change, there is nothing you will try
to hold on to. If you are not afraid of dying, there is nothing you
cannot achieve.
Lao Tzu
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12 Dec 2007 11:54:26 PM |
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"guardian Snow" <snowpheonix@eck.net.au> wrote:
Anyways, back to business. I am serious that I want to know what
people think of the true names of our Father in heaven.
One of my personal favorite is ???? El Shaddai.
Derived from the Canaanite High God of the Mountain.
People call God by many names but the unpronounceable name given to Moses is
the most revealing and most accurate.
God is infinite and no description of God can ever be adequate because all
descriptions are finite. One needs an infinite description to describe and
infinite God. A name is a description. God was, is and will be who God is.
Our petty fights over our pet names for God are insignificant to that
phrase.
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http://www.blognow.com.au/strooth/
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http://fundamentalistfunhouse.blogspot.com/
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fundamentalism.
My Soundclick Page - download my original songs in mp3 format
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| User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." |
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13 Dec 2007 12:59:56 AM |
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"Mark T" <moi@home000whatever73> wrote in message
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"guardian Snow" <snowpheonix@eck.net.au> wrote:
Anyways, back to business. I am serious that I want to know what
people think of the true names of our Father in heaven.
One of my personal favorite is ???? El Shaddai.
Derived from the Canaanite High God of the Mountain.
People call God by many names but the unpronounceable name given to Moses
is the most revealing and most accurate.
God is infinite and no description of God can ever be adequate because all
descriptions are finite. One needs an infinite description to describe
and infinite God. A name is a description. God was, is and will be who
God is. Our petty fights over our pet names for God are insignificant to
that phrase.
I'm sure this is politically expedient to you, but from hence cometh
Babylon.
1Co 8:5-6
For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth,
(as there be gods many, and lords many), but to us there is but one God, the
Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by
whom are all things, and we by him.
Ike
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13 Dec 2007 02:11:34 AM |
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"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@verizon.net> wrote:
Anyways, back to business. I am serious that I want to know what
people think of the true names of our Father in heaven.
One of my personal favorite is ???? El Shaddai.
Derived from the Canaanite High God of the Mountain.
People call God by many names but the unpronounceable name given to
Moses is the most revealing and most accurate.
God is infinite and no description of God can ever be adequate because
all descriptions are finite. One needs an infinite description to
describe and infinite God. A name is a description. God was, is and
will be who God is. Our petty fights over our pet names for God are
insignificant to that phrase.
I'm sure this is politically expedient to you, but from hence cometh
Babylon.
QUE?
What are you babbling on about this time, you silly little person?
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How to be a Bible Apologist
Step One: Accept the divine, absolute, and literal truth of the Bible.
Step Two: Redefine "literal" when needed.
Step Three: Learn to believe two or more contradictory ideas simultaneously
Step Four: Ignore or re-interpret the last 600 years of scientific knowledge
Step Five: Acknowledge the hundreds of fulfilled prophecies contained in the
Bible.
Step Six: Learn that moral relativism is not true.
Step Seven: Learn that absolute morals can change depending on the situation
or society
Step Eight: Become comfortable with your own insanity
adapted from http://craptaculus.com/eac/apologist/index.html
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http://www.blognow.com.au/strooth/
FUNDY FUNHOUSE -
http://fundamentalistfunhouse.blogspot.com/
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fundamentalism.
My Soundclick Page - download my original songs in mp3 format
http://www.soundclick.com/marktindall
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13 Dec 2007 02:42:47 AM |
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"Mark T" <moi@home000whatever73> wrote in message
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"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@verizon.net> wrote:
Anyways, back to business. I am serious that I want to know what
people think of the true names of our Father in heaven.
One of my personal favorite is ???? El Shaddai.
Derived from the Canaanite High God of the Mountain.
People call God by many names but the unpronounceable name given to
Moses is the most revealing and most accurate.
God is infinite and no description of God can ever be adequate because
all descriptions are finite. One needs an infinite description to
describe and infinite God. A name is a description. God was, is and
will be who God is. Our petty fights over our pet names for God are
insignificant to that phrase.
I'm sure this is politically expedient to you, but from hence cometh
Babylon.
QUE?
What are you babbling on about this time, you silly little person?
Your other bit of non-Christian foolishness which reveals your personal
agenda, universalism.
See, John prophesied that people like you would come along claiming the
"bread" (righteousness) of Christ and the "oil" (authority) of Christ while
inflicting a "famine" of the Word so no one could see how you were
manipulating it, while abusing the specifically-shed blood of Christ (the
"wine"), which is the ONLY way people can be saved.
Now, if you just weren't so damn transparent...
Ike
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13 Dec 2007 02:48:55 AM |
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"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@verizon.net> wrote:
I'm sure this is politically expedient to you, but from hence cometh
Babylon.
QUE?
What are you babbling on about this time, you silly little person?
Your other bit of non-Christian foolishness which reveals your personal
agenda, universalism.
Why can't you answer my questions with a rational logical answer?
Is it because yoiu are incapable of doing so?
You probably have no tertiary education whatsoever.
I refer you back to you stupid opinion that spirit does not = mind.
It is obvious that you are not spiritual because you do not use your mind.
Is it because you only have half a dozen brain cells left?
Unlike St Paul who used his mind and quoted a pagan poet in Acts 17:28 ....
which you haven't commented on.
Was Paul deluded??????
Spirit IS mind... mind IS spirit
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Oxford University Press
psyche
An ancient GREEK word meaning soul or mind.
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Oxford University Press
Philosophy Dictionary
psyche
(GREEK, spirit) Mind, spirit, animating principle.
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The Oxford Dictionary does NOT define "pneuma" as "mind."
It defines pneuma as "spirit."
Silly little person!
SPIRIT = MIND ... MIND = SPIRIT
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Pneuma
(From Forerunner Commentary)
A common thread runs between English "spirit," Hebrew ruach, and Greek
pneuma, even when a spirit-composed being is described. "Spirit" represents
something non-physical and normally invisible. We can conclude, except in
the one case where "spirit," ruach, or pneuma describes a being that has
revealed itself, that spirit is never seen. All that is ever seen is what
spirit causes, motivates, inspires, encourages, impels, triggers, stirs,
provokes, stimulates, influences, or activates. Why? Because in every other
sense, except where spirit clearly means a spirit being who has revealed
himself, spirit is seen as a function of the mind, whether it is God's mind,
angel's mind, or man's mind. Just as we surely do not see mind, but we do
see what mind does, so also we cannot see spirit but only what spirit does.
As we understand it, mind is more than spirit, yet "spirit" can figuratively
refer to a person's mind.
from
http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Topical.show/RTD/cgg/ID/3456/Pneuma.htm
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soul {Gk. yuch [psychê]; Lat. anima}
The active principle present in living things. Plato distinguished three
distinct components of the human soul, and Aristotle supposed that plants
and animals, no less than human beings, have souls of some sort. Under the
influence of Christianity, medieval philosophers focussed on the
intellectual component of the human soul, and Descartes identified it as an
immaterial substance.
from http://www.philosophypages.com/dy/s7.htm#soul
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Spirit: (L. Spiritus: breath, life, soul, mind, spirit)
1.. Originally, the Stoic fire-like, animating and energizing principle
(pneuma) of the Cosmos.
2.. A being capable of consciousness and commonly considered as possessing
will and intelligence.
3.. Immaterial being.
4.. A disembodied or incorporeal conscious being.
5.. The supersensuous, ideal order of being or realm of mind: the
intellectual, rational, noetic, aesthetic, moral, holy, divine.
6.. Medieval and alchemic: A subtle stuff; an element.
from http://www.ditext.com/runes/s.html
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Soul-Body Dichotomy
Genus: Philosophical premise
Differentia: The spiritual and physical existence were different and opposed
to one another
Comment: Also known as Mind-Body dichotomy. False dichotomy. The mind and
body, or spiritual enlightenment and physical survival, are compatible and
mutually supporting. To live, man must use his mind. To gain knowledge is to
gain knowledge about reality.
from http://www.importanceofphilosophy.com/Dictionary.html#S
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13 Dec 2007 11:21:02 AM |
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"Mark T" <moi@home000whatever73> wrote in message
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"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@verizon.net> wrote:
I'm sure this is politically expedient to you, but from hence cometh
Babylon.
QUE?
What are you babbling on about this time, you silly little person?
Your other bit of non-Christian foolishness which reveals your personal
agenda, universalism.
Why can't you answer my questions with a rational logical answer?
Idiot: Eternal paradoxes are not answered with human rationalisms.
Is it because yoiu are incapable of doing so?
No, it's because you are incapable of comprehending the answers.
You probably have no tertiary education whatsoever.
LOL
Probably more than you.
I refer you back to you stupid opinion that spirit does not = mind.
It doesn't.
That's why you had to dig up fringe references to try to prove a point every
mainstream reference says is wrong.
Thus, it's YOUR opinion that is "stupid."
It is obvious that you are not spiritual because you do not use your mind.
LOL
I am spiritual, therefore I discern the complex dualisms and triunisms of
the matters of the Spirit.
You are not, so you don't.
That's why you can't deal with the eternally-true yet temporal paradox
complexities of the Bible.
So what do you do?
Belie your own ignorance by attacking the source.
Is it because you only have half a dozen brain cells left?
LOL
If you used ONE with any modicum of efficiency, you would understand your
own ignorance.
Unlike St Paul who used his mind and quoted a pagan poet in Acts 17:28
.... which you haven't commented on.
LOL
If I were to describe the complexities of three-dimensional time using a
thesis written by a Russian scientist instead of the Bible, does that
automatically make me a communist?
That's called an association fallacy.
Just because Paul, who was well read, paraphrased (not "quoted") an
allegedly pagan poet doesn't NOT automatically make anything he said
"Pagan"--it simply means he made an observation.
Was Paul deluded??????
No, but you are.
Spirit IS mind... mind IS spirit
######################################################
Oxford University Press
psyche
An ancient GREEK word meaning soul or mind.
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Oxford University Press
Philosophy Dictionary
psyche
(GREEK, spirit) Mind, spirit, animating principle.
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The Oxford Dictionary does NOT define "pneuma" as "mind."
It defines pneuma as "spirit."
Silly little person!
SPIRIT = MIND ... MIND = SPIRIT
This is called an unsubstantiated ascertion.
The Word divides the whole person by three--the body, the soul, and the
spirit--which is a microcosm of God.
Pneuma
(From Forerunner Commentary)
Let me know when you can find some less obscure references that says this.
Oxford Dictionary (NOT the philosophically re-written Philosophical subset)
pneuma
(Greek, breath) In Greek and particularly in Stoic thought, the spirit,
force, or creative fire that infuses the bodies of human beings.
psyche
An ancient Greek word meaning soul or mind.
Marriam-Websters
psy·che
Pronunciation:
\'si-ke\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Latin, from Greek psyche soul
pneu·ma
Pronunciation:
\'nü-m?, 'nyü-\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Greek
Date:
1884
: soul, spirit
Ike
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