"God" <TheLord@heaven.gov> wrote in message
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Cometh the hour, cometh "Bible John, BA" <john.doggett@x-files.gov>
who, with imperceptibly subtle footwork in free.christians, gave us
this:

I do make mistakes from time to time

It's easy enough to stop the biggest one you make, that thing you do
that makes your rib cage expand and contract: Just stop doing it.
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N. aa #2208

Either religion goes or civilisation does. It's that simple.

Are you God really?

Yours in Christ

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:18:50 +0100, God
<TheLord@heaven.gov> spake thusly:

Either religion goes or civilisation does. It's that simple.

Is that why more atrocities have been committed
by atheist nations? The very country you are in,
was set up by Christians. You're a hypocrite.

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:18:50 +0100, God
<TheLord@heaven.gov> spake thusly:

Either religion goes or civilisation does. It's that simple.

Is that why more atrocities have been committed
by atheist nations? The very country you are in,
was set up by Christians. You're a hypocrite.

--

Pastor Dave

In article <087lf1ls7g22u5v6u3cepntpnj2lqfpch5@4ax.com>,
Bible Bob <biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:

1. Seems to me you improved your introduction. No attacks and
pleasant attitude

Well if I am teaching a apologetics message then there will bee exposure
of false teachers, doctrines, philosophies, ministry models, and cults.
But I was not as the message was topical. Please please learn the
differences between the following.


Exegetical/expository messages
Topical messages
Theological messages
Apologetics messages
Missional messages

In article <087lf1ls7g22u5v6u3cepntpnj2lqfpch5@4ax.com>,
Bible Bob <biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:10:42 -0700, "Bible John, BA"
<john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote:

John,

Much better, pretty much rightly divided word of truth.

There are few technial points.

1. Seems to me you improved your introduction. No attacks and
pleasant attitude. You might want to leave out the grammar stuff from
the first paragraph because it indicates the potential for error and
will cause people to look for error.

Good point

When Jesus spoke, He spoke with

authority and confidence.

Right


Maybe if you write the thesis first, fine

tune it so that you are confident about it and then write your
introduction, the introduction will appear more confident. If you
want to be confident, act confident.

I usually do not use a thesis for a study like this. Thesis are usually
for english type papers. A exegetical paper I would never write a
thesis, nor would I on a bible message like this for Usenet. However
for professional sermons and such perhaps. But these are just Usenet
studies.

2. Isn't that the same joke you used last time?

Yes I thought no one would notice

3. Again, you are using motivation techniques that would normally be
used by a teacher who is in the presence of an audience.

Yeah I know but its fun to look like Joel Osteen. (Weatherly will stone
me for this remark, because JW seems to hate Joel for no good reason).

4. Not a criticism, but you can not escape you history or your

reputation. Your story about Henry was very good. I fear that people
will interpret Henry to be you.

Well I made it very clear that he was not. Ifr you read it, you would
know the following.

a) I picked on Henry in the Fall 1997 semester at a community college
b) I witnessed henry's being fired by the store manager, since it was a
public scene
c) I ran into Henry once again in 2002, and he was very vocal that he
did not want my service

Taken the above into consideration how can Henry be me?

To prevent that, you might consider

not including things about a person that appear similar to you in the
readers mind. For example, Tom Hanks, tape recorders, law suits, and
the like.

Since when do I look like Tom Hanks?

Remember the goal is to put what you know into them via

words and the fewer distractions the more apt they will be to retain
what you are trying to communicate.

5. Commentary on the Bible portion inserted below.

I strive to have good spelling, grammar and mechanics in these studies.
But I do make mistakes from time to time so please be so kind and report
what you find to me. Thank you!

I like to start some of my bible messages with something kinda funny so
Listen to this.

A 92-yr old man went to the Dr to get a physical. About a week later
the doctor saw the man walking down the street with a beautiful woman.
The doctor surprised stopped the man and asked if the man was doing
good. The man replied and said that he was only following his
orders. You said to get a hot mamma and stay cheerful. The doctor
said, no I never said that, I said that you had a heart murmur and to be
careful!

Alright Christians as you read this I want you to hold up your bibles and
repeat the following like you mean it.
-------
This is my Bible I am what it says I am, I have what it says I have, and
I can do what it says I can to do.

Today I will be taught the word of God. I boldly confess that my mind
is alert and my heart is receptive, and that I will never be the same.

I am about to receive the, incorruptible, indestructible seed of the word
of God, I will never be the same, never, never, never, I will be never
be the same.

In Jesus name
-----------
Topical Bible Message-Learning how to love disabled & disadvantaged
people

All of us know of people in our lives that are disabled, mentally ill,
or disadvantaged in some way.

Showing little attention to disabled people and special attention to
non-disabled people is what I have done many times in my life.

I can remember Back in my Community College days knowing a student named
Henry. Henry was both physically and learning disabled. Henry got
teased often not only because of his Tom Hanks look alike features but
because of his disabilities. I was not the only one to tease him nor
did I tease him the most, but I did target him often enough that he
never forgot me. Well I never saw Henry after the Fall 1997 semester
until about a year later when he got hired to work in sales at a company
that I was employed with at the time.

Henry tried to be a very honest employee, but because of his somewhat
loud awkward voice, with the addition of his learning and physical
disabilities he was sort of out of place at the company and the store
manager knew this. The store manager would often target Henry by
looking for all his faults, asking employees to time his breaks, and
also to monitor his every move. I remember once Henry applied to be
technology sales supervisor (a position I later was promoted to with
little effort on my part) and was refused it very quickly. Henry knew
his tech stuff, perhaps more than myself, and certainly more than the
other employees working in that department of the time. But what hurt
Henry getting his supervisor promotion was probably his very obvious
disabilities which customers often found awkward.

Customers would often complain about Henry, which did land him in bad
terms with management. Because of issues he had no control over Henry
did not seem the right fit for a supervisor position, which angered him
even more. Henry also required a caretaker whom would assist him with
his learning disabilities from time to time. This along with his
disabilities made it hard for him to be a right fit for a supervisor
position.

In response to his denial from becoming supervisor he would always carry
a small pocket notepad with him and take notes, and I remember once he
brought a tape recorder in the store and threatened to record anyone
that so called harassed him! Then I remember one day in 1998 Henry made
a mistake that cost the company some $600 dollars. This was all the
manager needed to fire Henry, which did happen on his next shift.
Typically a manager who acts in a professional manor would call an
employee into the office and fire him, but in this case the store
manager fired Henry right on the sales floor! Henry got angry and yelled
at the store manager right then and there. I know all this because I
was near the scene. The shouting match was so loud that it got the
attention of others, and all employees near the scene knew that Henry
was fired!

Some time later Henry filed a lawsuit against the company to prove
unjust terminated based on a disability or disabilities and won some
money giving him a free trip to Stanford University later to earn a
degree in Computer science. It was about 4 years later that I saw Henry
in the store in 2002 during a time when I was a very successful
technology sales supervisor. Like all customers I tried to treat Henry
like he was my no#1 customer, but Henry refused to receive any service
from me, probably because of the way I treated him in the past. He made
his dissatisfaction with me very vocal which got the attention of some
onlookers. I failed with Henry because I failed to treat him like he
was no#1, and I did pick on him back during our community college days
in 1997. Henry never forgot my sins and probably still holds a grudge
toward me to this very day. So I will say that my example is one not to
follow when dealing with people with disabilities and other
disadvantages like Henry.

There are many passages in scripture that deal with how to treat such
people, but I will focus on only one for this study.

James 2:1-7 (NIV)

James 2:1 My brothers, as believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ,
dont show favoritism.

This is all too often almost impossible to do as Christians.
Unbelievers always show favoritism, and as the church we should set the
tone. But all too often the church is just like the world. John
MacArthur wrote a book called "Ashamed of the Gospel, when the church
becomes like the world." In it he proves that most of the church is just
like the world, and I would not for a second disagree with John
MacArthur, because what he says on this matter is true!

Isn't that due in part because they are taught "in the church" to be
worldly; not by sermons from the pastor but by examples from other
members. Comments such as "Sister Sarah has a nice new hat, I wonder
how much it cost, I wish my husband could afford one for me" spoken by
an "older" "respected" woman will have affect positive or negative.

Amen they are.

Speaking of women elders. Just before I retired in 1986 I met a 19
year old girl at a college I was attending whose father had died
years earlier. Long story short, she was a sharp young lady and we
became instant friends and when I retired I moved here to Charlotte.
Her mother lived here but she was not comfortable there and moved in
with me. She liked girls, but was celebate, and through her I met a
total of 13 other young girls who all attended the same church and
were taught by the same deaconess. All fourteen had been led into an
alternative lifestyle. I worked with all of them and over the years
all but one of them has married or became involved with men. All of
the girls trusted me and would talk to me about anything and I do mean
anything except one thing and that was the deaconess at the SDA chruch
they attended. All of them changed denominations.

Hmm

The job description for a SDA Deaconess goes something like this:
Deaconesses are concerned with the material needs of the congregation,
including the comfort of worshippers; security and upkeep of church
property; ministry to the sick, shut-ins, widows, and orphans; and
specific responsibilities during the Communion Service and Baptismal
Ceremony. Appartently at least one of them offered alternative
education services,too.

A woman shall not teach or have authority over a man so writes Paul.
often the problems I have in work and my life are because women are in
positions they do not belong. Women belong in the home cooking and
cleaning and taking care of people. They do not belong in management
positions, unless the positions pertain to their natural gifts.

Oh, I helped my little friend through college, sent her to France
when she graduated,and she now has her Masters and is doing very well
in the Marines with her husband. She is to us just as much our child
as my biological son and daughter are.

I think that is a good example of how the world can creep into the
church.

James 2:2 Suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and
fine clothes, and a poor man in shabby clothes also comes in.
James 2:3 If you show special attention to the man wearing fine clothes
and say, "Heres a good seat for you," but say to the poor man, "You
stand there" or "Sit on the floor by my feet,"

So many Christians do not practice this! So many pay more attention to
the rich than to the poor. All too often in church ministry in order to
be hired as a leader, you must have it all together. Often in church we
disassociate ourselves with those that do not look the best on the
outside. I remember one time in 2002 as an experiment I showed up to a
college ministry and acted like I was mentally retarded. I dressed like
a child, I spoke like a child, and I very much behaved like a child.
Surprisingly many of the liberals at this church welcomed me, and
offered their assistance. One girl even tried to counsel me with my
highly exaggerated and inflated issues.

I don't think it was wise to share that personal remark as it will
cause people to stray from your message. It causes them to focus on
your reputation and not your teaching.

Yeah maybe or it can help to illustrate my point. Maybe I should have
said "A friend of mine." But it was fun being retarded that day and
receiving the help from those girls. It proved that there are loving
people in a liberal church.

James 2:4 have you not discriminated among yourselves and become judges
with evil thoughts?
James 2:5 Listen, my dear brothers: Has not God chosen those who are
poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the
kingdom he promised those who love him?

All too often is it hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
Matt. 19:24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the
eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

All too often are the poor the most effective disciples for our Lord.
In my geography I discovered that research proves that those who live in
highly wealthy communities to be less reliant on God than those that
live in poor areas. This is all to say that money does corrupt as the
bible says below.
1Tim. 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some
people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced
themselves with many griefs.

James 2:6 But you have insulted the poor. Is it not the rich who are
exploiting you? Are they not the ones who are dragging you into court?
James 2:7 Are they not the ones who are slandering the noble name of him
to whom you belong?

All too often my problems are with rich people. I've tried many times
to receive assistance on a issue, which many of the rich have refused,
while the some of the poor have assisted. Notice also that in the
passage the bible clearly does not say that a Christian will not got to
court or not have legal matters. There are some that believe that any
Christian that is having legal problems is in sin, but this from the
above seems unbiblical!

You are teaching about being exploited by the rich and offer as an
example how you tried unsuccessfully to exploit the rich. It does
speak of people going to court but does not indicate that that
behavior is proper. The same unloving, un-Christlike behavior is
mentioned in 1 Cor 6:1

Yes

1Cor. 6:1 If any of you has a dispute with another, dare he take it
before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the saints?

Christian matters should be taken to christians

So my dear friends please learn the lesson that I did and do not repeat
my treatment of Henry to other Henrys in your life.

Well may God bless you and have a blessed day for ministry!

John Wolf

BA Church Education Ministries, Simpson University 2005

AS Business Computer technology specialist, Canada College 2000

Good job.




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