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The "Progressive" Project Is Over
What Benedict XVI means
By George Weigel
ROME --- The election of Pope Benedict XVI means many things: a
resounding affirmation of the pontificate of John Paul the Great; an
overwhelming vote of confidence in Joseph Ratzinger, one of the great
Christian minds and spirits of our time; and dynamic continuity in the
world's oldest office.
In the long view of history, though, April 19, 2005, may mark the
moment at which the 40-year effort to force Catholicism to tailor its
doctrine and its message to the tastes of secular modernity crashed and
burned.
Ever since the Second Vatican Council, some Catholics and most of the
world media have expected --- and in certain cases, demanded --- that
the Catholic Church follow the path taken by virtually every other
non-fundamentalist western Christian community over the past century:
the path of accommodation to secular modernity and its conviction that
religious belief, if not mere childishness, is a lifestyle choice with
no critical relationship to the truth of things.
These expectations have involved both doctrinal accommodation (e.g.,
the question of whether Jesus is the unique savior of the world) and
moral accommodation (e.g., the many issues involved in the
post-Freudian claim that human beings are essentially bundles of
desires).
I respect the decisions that other Christian communities have made,
before God and before the bar of history, in adopting accommodation
strategies. Yet it is very, very difficult to argue that this strategy
of cultural accommodation --- which in some cases bleeds into cultural
appeasement --- has solved the 250-year-old problem of being Christian
in the modern world.
Nor is it possible to demonstrate, empirically, that cultural
accommodation or appeasement produce vital, growing, compelling
Christian communities. Precisely the opposite is the case. Christian
communities with porous doctrinal and moral boundaries wither and die.
Christian communities with clear doctrinal and moral borders flourish,
even amidst the acids of modernity.
Yet it was expected that the Catholic Church would, indeed must, take
the path of accommodation: that has been the central assumption of
what's typically called "progressive" Catholicism. That assumption has
now been decisively and definitively refuted. The "progressive" project
is over --- not because its intentions were malign, but because it
posed an ultimately boring question: how little can I believe, and how
little can I do, and still remain a Catholic?
In choosing a pope with an unparalleled command of ancient, medieval
and modern theology, the College of Cardinals has sent a clear signal
to the entire Catholic Church: The really interesting question is, how
much of this rich, vast, subtle tradition have I made my own? At the
same time, the College of Cardinals, by electing Pope Benedict XVI, has
told both the church and the world that the evangelical adventure of
dynamic orthodoxy launched by John Paul II will not only continue, but
be deepened.
Conventional wisdom notwithstanding, the great divide in world
Catholicism these past several decades has not been between "liberals"
and "conservatives," "reformers" and "integrists." It's been between
bishops, priests, religious and laity who see the church primarily in
terms of its evangelical mission, and bishops, priests, religious and
laity who see the church primarily in terms of institutional
maintenance and the exercise of intra-institutional power. The conclave
of 2005 was a rout for the latter and a smashing triumph for the
former.
The conclave of 2005 also repudiated what might be called "50-yard-line
Catholicism" --- the attempt to find the safe, comfortable,
unthreatening "center" between "the extremes." Pope Benedict XVI, like
his immediate predecessor, is emphatically not a 50-yard-line bishop.
If one end zone is the truth of the world, and the other embodies a
false story about the world and about us, you can't split the
difference and rest comfortably at midfield. Benedict XVI, to press the
imagery a little further, will not play to avoid the interception;
he'll play for the touchdown.
Pray for his success. Pray that he'll inspire the bishops of the church
to do the same, so that the people of the church are given bold
leadership in the critical task of showing the world the face of
Christ, which reveals both the mercy of God and the truth about us.
George Weigel is a senior fellow of the Ethics and Public Policy Center
in Washington, D.C.
http://www.the-tidings.com/2005/0429/difference.htm
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19 Jul 2005 03:02:31 PM |
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wrote:
The "Progressive" Project Is Over
What Benedict XVI means
By George Weigel
And let in the anti-progressives, the illiberals
who only in 1992 sanctioned Galileo and who
currently dabble in "scientific"
creationism with the looniest of Prots.
One thing's for sure: the Roman Catholic church's
travails with pedophile priests will continue
until it admits young adults with active,
open sex lives into the priesthood. And yes,
Pope B16, formerly known as Cardinal Ratzo,
if such people have a legitimate place in
your organization in the future, then they always
had a legitimate place, and your organization's
teaching was a crock.
Not that it matters to me, your Holiness.
I'm not Catholic, I'm not a pedophile, I'm
not a priest, and I was never in Hitler Youth.
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| User: "bam" |
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19 Jul 2005 03:25:47 PM |
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<jimcolli@pacbell.net> wrote
One thing's for sure: the Roman Catholic church's
travails with pedophile priests will continue
until it admits young adults with active,
open sex lives into the priesthood.
You get the dum-dum of the day award.
You know nothing.
BAM
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| User: "JimC" |
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19 Jul 2005 04:23:38 PM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
news:VkdDe.327$do5.213@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
<jimcolli@pacbell.net> wrote
One thing's for sure: the Roman Catholic church's
travails with pedophile priests will continue
until it admits young adults with active,
open sex lives into the priesthood.
You get the dum-dum of the day award.
You know nothing.
BAM
From the same poster:
"God promised the Church infallibility. We teach only what God commands us
to teach."
Yeah? Well, God told me you're full of it. Then I asked him about Jesus,
and he says,
"Jesus, Schmezus! Miryam stays out late one night,
comes home knocked up, and a few months later, they're all
pointing the finger at *moi*! You think a big important
guy like me has to mess around with teenagers? Gimme
a break. And let me tell you, that broad was no
virgin! You know how I know? I got X-ray
vision. That's how. I saw her and the Roman guy
leave the party early, and he and she walked up the
stairs and the light in their window went out, and later
I could hear her giggling. That's how. Then her
uncle Joseph comes along and 'rescues' her. That
Joseph! One of these days, I'm gonna arrange for him
to have a little accident with his saw. He'll cut
something important off, only it won't be important
to him any more if you get my drift."
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| User: "bam" |
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19 Jul 2005 10:19:51 PM |
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"JimC" <jimc@nospam.pls> wrote
You get the dum-dum of the day award.
You know nothing.
BAM
From the same poster:
"God promised the Church infallibility. We teach only what God commands
us
to teach."
Yeah? Well, God told me you're full of it. Then I asked him about Jesus,
and he says,
Shaddap.
BAM
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| User: "John Tibbs" |
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20 Jul 2005 10:38:14 AM |
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| User: "Bill" |
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15 Jul 2005 09:59:05 AM |
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For a summary;
Don't abandon the churches centuries old dogma even though it conflicts with
modern scientific knowledge
of the real Universe we live in.
Don't question, just follow Pope Benedict XVI.
<wordsoftruth114@email.com> wrote in message
news:1121424257.042447.96130@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The "Progressive" Project Is Over
What Benedict XVI means
By George Weigel
ROME --- The election of Pope Benedict XVI means many things: a
resounding affirmation of the pontificate of John Paul the Great; an
overwhelming vote of confidence in Joseph Ratzinger, one of the great
Christian minds and spirits of our time; and dynamic continuity in the
world's oldest office.
In the long view of history, though, April 19, 2005, may mark the
moment at which the 40-year effort to force Catholicism to tailor its
doctrine and its message to the tastes of secular modernity crashed and
burned.
Ever since the Second Vatican Council, some Catholics and most of the
world media have expected --- and in certain cases, demanded --- that
the Catholic Church follow the path taken by virtually every other
non-fundamentalist western Christian community over the past century:
the path of accommodation to secular modernity and its conviction that
religious belief, if not mere childishness, is a lifestyle choice with
no critical relationship to the truth of things.
These expectations have involved both doctrinal accommodation (e.g.,
the question of whether Jesus is the unique savior of the world) and
moral accommodation (e.g., the many issues involved in the
post-Freudian claim that human beings are essentially bundles of
desires).
I respect the decisions that other Christian communities have made,
before God and before the bar of history, in adopting accommodation
strategies. Yet it is very, very difficult to argue that this strategy
of cultural accommodation --- which in some cases bleeds into cultural
appeasement --- has solved the 250-year-old problem of being Christian
in the modern world.
Nor is it possible to demonstrate, empirically, that cultural
accommodation or appeasement produce vital, growing, compelling
Christian communities. Precisely the opposite is the case. Christian
communities with porous doctrinal and moral boundaries wither and die.
Christian communities with clear doctrinal and moral borders flourish,
even amidst the acids of modernity.
Yet it was expected that the Catholic Church would, indeed must, take
the path of accommodation: that has been the central assumption of
what's typically called "progressive" Catholicism. That assumption has
now been decisively and definitively refuted. The "progressive" project
is over --- not because its intentions were malign, but because it
posed an ultimately boring question: how little can I believe, and how
little can I do, and still remain a Catholic?
In choosing a pope with an unparalleled command of ancient, medieval
and modern theology, the College of Cardinals has sent a clear signal
to the entire Catholic Church: The really interesting question is, how
much of this rich, vast, subtle tradition have I made my own? At the
same time, the College of Cardinals, by electing Pope Benedict XVI, has
told both the church and the world that the evangelical adventure of
dynamic orthodoxy launched by John Paul II will not only continue, but
be deepened.
Conventional wisdom notwithstanding, the great divide in world
Catholicism these past several decades has not been between "liberals"
and "conservatives," "reformers" and "integrists." It's been between
bishops, priests, religious and laity who see the church primarily in
terms of its evangelical mission, and bishops, priests, religious and
laity who see the church primarily in terms of institutional
maintenance and the exercise of intra-institutional power. The conclave
of 2005 was a rout for the latter and a smashing triumph for the
former.
The conclave of 2005 also repudiated what might be called "50-yard-line
Catholicism" --- the attempt to find the safe, comfortable,
unthreatening "center" between "the extremes." Pope Benedict XVI, like
his immediate predecessor, is emphatically not a 50-yard-line bishop.
If one end zone is the truth of the world, and the other embodies a
false story about the world and about us, you can't split the
difference and rest comfortably at midfield. Benedict XVI, to press the
imagery a little further, will not play to avoid the interception;
he'll play for the touchdown.
Pray for his success. Pray that he'll inspire the bishops of the church
to do the same, so that the people of the church are given bold
leadership in the critical task of showing the world the face of
Christ, which reveals both the mercy of God and the truth about us.
George Weigel is a senior fellow of the Ethics and Public Policy Center
in Washington, D.C.
http://www.the-tidings.com/2005/0429/difference.htm
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15 Jul 2005 01:17:19 PM |
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:58QBe.41877$ag7.8841@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
For a summary;
Don't abandon the churches centuries old dogma even though it conflicts
with modern scientific knowledge
of the real Universe we live in.
Don't question, just follow Pope Benedict XVI.
Who asked for your stupid opinion?
BAM
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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18 Jul 2005 11:33:35 PM |
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In article <_3TBe.89932$qm.89414@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:58QBe.41877$ag7.8841@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
For a summary;
Don't abandon the churches centuries old dogma even though it conflicts
with modern scientific knowledge
of the real Universe we live in.
Don't question, just follow Pope Benedict XVI.
Which is what the Catholic church is supposed to be about: making sure
everyone follows Catholic dogma, because it is unquestionably true. At
least, it is if you believe them...
Who asked for your stupid opinion?
BAM
While we're at it, who asked for yours?
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| User: "bam" |
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19 Jul 2005 09:35:36 AM |
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"*nemo*" <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:nemo0037-F3AE0F.00331219072005@news1.west.earthlink.net...
In article <_3TBe.89932$qm.89414@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:58QBe.41877$ag7.8841@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
For a summary;
Don't abandon the churches centuries old dogma even though it conflicts
with modern scientific knowledge
of the real Universe we live in.
Don't question, just follow Pope Benedict XVI.
Which is what the Catholic church is supposed to be about: making sure
everyone follows Catholic dogma, because it is unquestionably true. At
least, it is if you believe them...
Who asked for your stupid opinion?
BAM
While we're at it, who asked for yours?
Weak, remo, weak,
BAM
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| User: "The Watch Dog" |
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19 Jul 2005 04:45:15 PM |
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You know, "tailoring [the Church's] doctrine and its message to the
tastes of secular modernity" and sticking to Church doctrine as defined
at some particular point in history are not the only two choices.
There is a third choice: to understand that, while God may be
unchanging and God's law eternal, our HUMAN UNDERSTANDING of God and
God's law is imperfect, and changes over time as we learn more about
the world God has given us.
Any serious study of the history of the Catholic Church (or any
religion) will reveal that its positions have changed over time.
Priestly celibacy? The role of women? The proper treatment of Jews? The
apporpriate response of the Church to slavery? The reponse to new
scientific evidence about the place of Earth in the heavens? All
different than they once were. And, in most cases, thank God!
Exactly what year in the Church's history would you like to choose to
freeze Church doctrine at, and then protect it from any subsequent
change, so as not to "capitulate to secular modernity"?
Of course the Church shouldn't grab on to any sociological fad that
comes along. (Nor should any other institution.) But it should take
into account what we learn about the world and history with every
passing year, and, with wisdom and compassion, examine its beliefs
critically in light of new understanding.
Otherwise it's still torturing heretics and turning a blind eye to
slavery. Or is it your position that the Church has made mistakes in
the past but that somehow, at this particular moment in your lifetime,
it has finally got everything exactly right?
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| User: "JimC" |
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19 Jul 2005 04:54:15 PM |
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The Watch Dog writes:
Exactly what year in the Church's history would you like to choose to
freeze Church doctrine at, and then protect it from any subsequent
change, so as not to "capitulate to secular modernity"?
The Amish of Lancaster County, PA are fond of the early 18th
century, fifty years before everything goes topsy-turvy in
England and New England.
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