What is "obvious" concering David's throne ... Amos 9:11


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Topic: Religions > Bible
User: "Zorro"
Date: 21 Jan 2006 01:37:29 PM
Object: What is "obvious" concering David's throne ... Amos 9:11
"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" <hasatan@grex.cyberspace.org> wrote in message
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did you read the posukim i referenced in the source ?
it should be obvious

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zorro:
yes i read it ... if it's that "obvious" as you state .... then please
answer
my question concerning the "obvious" as you see it?
again .... what does the little hamlet of "Bethlehem Ephratah" got to do
with david's throne?
another "not quite so obvious" which you cross
referenced .... Ezk 37:19 ..... there may possibly be others in the audience
who likewise don't see the obvious either ... as you do.
it's obvious "Joseph and Ephraim" somehow are in the mix according to Ezk
37:19? can you enlighten zorro as to the "obvious" you apparently see so he
can see the obvious as you see it?
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User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]"

Title: Re: What is "obvious" concering David's throne ... Amos 9:11 21 Jan 2006 10:41:02 PM
Zorro wrote:

"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" <hasatan@grex.cyberspace.org> wrote in message
news:1137837880.325243.95410@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

did you read the posukim i referenced in the source ?
it should be obvious


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zorro:

yes i read it ... if it's that "obvious" as you state .... then please
answer
my question concerning the "obvious" as you see it?

again .... what does the little hamlet of "Bethlehem Ephratah" got to do
with david's throne?

simply that it is the birthplace of the king who will be resurrected

another "not quite so obvious" which you cross
referenced .... Ezk 37:19 ..... there may possibly be others in the audience
who likewise don't see the obvious either ... as you do.


it's obvious "Joseph and Ephraim" somehow are in the mix according to Ezk
37:19? can you enlighten zorro as to the "obvious" you apparently see so he
can see the obvious as you see it?

concerning which ?
you have three lines of text there and yet no coherent question.
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User: "Zorro"

Title: Re: What is "obvious" concering David's throne ... Amos 9:11 22 Jan 2006 01:46:05 PM
"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" <hasatan@grex.cyberspace.org> wrote in message
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Zorro wrote:

"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" <hasatan@grex.cyberspace.org> wrote in message
news:1137837880.325243.95410@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

did you read the posukim i referenced in the source ?
it should be obvious


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zorro:

yes i read it ... if it's that "obvious" as you state .... then please
answer
my question concerning the "obvious" as you see it?

again .... what does the little hamlet of "Bethlehem Ephratah" got to do
with david's throne?

[hasatan]

simply that it is the birthplace of the king who will be resurrected

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zorro:
that's simply what it states i agree.
but you state "the king" .... [meaning david?] .....
"who will be resurrected" .... [how?] ....
does Tanakh state the resurrection as being thus ... thus ... and thus ....
specifically stating the resurection as being "thus"?
my orginal question ... based on Micah 5:2 which you presented .... were
to clarify why Micah attaches "Ephratah" (a root word of Ephramin) to the
name of the hamlet Bethlehem?
what's stated is merely zorro's questioning your hypothesis based on
scripture presented in support thereof ... by you.
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another "not quite so obvious" which you cross
referenced .... Ezk 37:19 ..... there may possibly be others in the
audience
who likewise don't see the obvious either ... as you do.
it's obvious "Joseph and Ephraim" somehow are in the mix according to

Ezk

37:19? can you enlighten zorro as to the "obvious" you apparently see so
he
can see the obvious as you see it?

[hasatan]

concerning which ?

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[zorro]
*both* .... as mentioned by Ezekiel in 37:19 ... in the same breath ...
apparently having some sort of relevancy to the throne which we are
discussing otherwise why would Ezekiel bring Joseph and Ephraim into the
picture? a cross referenced scripture presented by you in support of your
argument.
what's stated is merely zorro's questioning your hypothesis based on
scripture presented in support thereof ... by you.
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[hasatan]

you have three lines of text there and yet no coherent question.

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[zorro]
apologize for my lack of coherency.
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User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]"

Title: Re: What is "obvious" concering David's throne ... Amos 9:11 23 Jan 2006 10:27:22 PM
)prt or )prth is a toponym for an area in territory of Yehuda,
nothing to do with the tribe of Efrayim / Ephraim.
Yechezqel 37:19-25 nothing to do with Miykah 5:2 beyond dwyd hmlK
cf. Rut 1:1 & 4:11, also Divrey HaYomim 1 Chron 4:4

questioning your hypothesis

which hypothesis ? i did not present one.
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User: "Zorro"

Title: Re: What is "obvious" concering David's throne ... Amos 9:11 24 Jan 2006 08:49:51 PM
"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" <hasatan@grex.cyberspace.org> wrote in message
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)prt or )prth is a toponym for an area in territory of Yehuda,

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zorro:
well, it reasonably explains the tiny hamlet of Bethlehem as being within
the geographic confines of judah.

nothing to do with the tribe of Efrayim / Ephraim.

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zorro:
not as long as the context of scripture in question is geographical
location.

Yechezqel 37:19-25 nothing to do with Miykah 5:2 beyond dwyd hmlK

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zorro:
Oy ... again!
one may reason thusly to excuse personal ignorance concerning tanakh on
this point ... but it declares through reason that ezeckiel would not have
stated as such if no relevance to DavidHmlek existed.

cf. Rut 1:1 & 4:11, also Divrey HaYomim 1 Chron 4:4

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zorro:
the reasoning of the tanakh cf. ruth 1:1 .... is emphasizing
Bethlehemjudah as the *geographic* area from which elimelech emigrated from.
ruth 4:11 ... is emphasizing *specific* genealogical (ephratah) roots of
bethlehem as compared to its geography which ruth 1:1 addresses. ezeckiel
follows the same reasoning in 37:19 as ruth 4:11.
I Chron 4:11 is quite specific ... and amazing. it shows bethlehem as being
an ephraimite "enclave" within the confines of judah through its father
(founder) Hur .... the first born of Ephramin.

questioning your hypothesis

which hypothesis ? i did not present one.

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zorro:
excuse me. your reasoning.
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User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]"

Title: Re: What is "obvious" concering David's throne ... Amos 9:11 25 Jan 2006 01:08:22 AM
what are you proposing ?
i can form no coherent thesis from your comments.
incidentally Bethlehem is not equivalent to Efrata.
Efrata is a town and is a euphemism /toponym for the district.
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User: "Zorro"

Title: Re: What is "obvious" concering David's throne ... Amos 9:11 25 Jan 2006 07:41:43 PM
"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" <hasatan@grex.cyberspace.org> wrote in message
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what are you proposing ?

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zorro:
zorro proposing (?) .... rather its zorro questioning the proposition
which you yourself presented from the very beginning.
you have been evasive in answering questions put forth to you throughout the
entire thread. the record
substantiates that.
[hasatan]

i can form no coherent thesis from your comments.

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zorro:
have known you through different guises nigh unto six years and your
response never changes. when confronted with something "you" do not desire
to reply to ... you revert to the "coherent" or "incoherent" comment in
various guises. so what's new my friend?

incidentally Bethlehem is not equivalent to Efrata.

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zorro:
by the way .... your intellect sees Bethlehem as being equivalent to judea
.... but does not see the equivalency of Bethlehem to Efrata (Ephraim)? wake
up from your sleep my friend.

Efrata is a town and is a euphemism /toponym for the district.

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zorro:
you prat around these forums condescending the intellect of zorro and others
concerning the Tanakh and Hebrew ... and you present such asinine reasoning
as you state above? your reply is ludricious when compared to the intellect
you palm off hereabouts as possessing.
for starters ... you are an embarrassment to the intellect bestowed upon you
.... hasatan.
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User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]"

Title: Re: What is "obvious" concering David's throne ... Amos 9:11 26 Jan 2006 12:47:51 AM
Leaving aside your irrelevant (and erroneous) presumptions you still
have proposed nothing to which i can reply.
What are you claiming about Efrata ?
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User: "Zorro"

Title: Re: What is "obvious" concering David's throne ... Amos 9:11 27 Jan 2006 06:28:54 PM
"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" <hasatan@grex.cyberspace.org> wrote in message
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Leaving aside your irrelevant (and erroneous) presumptions you still
have proposed nothing to which i can reply.
What are you claiming about Efrata ?

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zorro:
claiming???
the only thing i pointed out was the pshat reading as presented
states that Bethlehemjudaea was an Efrata enclave .... according to ezekiel.
what claims do you assume?
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User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]"

Title: Re: What is "obvious" concering David's throne ... Amos 9:11 28 Jan 2006 01:12:09 AM
Zorro wrote:

"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" <hasatan@grex.cyberspace.org> wrote in message
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Leaving aside your irrelevant (and erroneous) presumptions you still
have proposed nothing to which i can reply.


What are you claiming about Efrata ?

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zorro:
claiming???

the only thing i pointed out was the pshat reading as presented
states that Bethlehemjudaea was an Efrata enclave .... according to ezekiel.

what claims do you assume?

None, which is why i am asking you for clarification.
Efrata is the toponym for the district.
i fail to see the connection to Amos 9:9-15 and the other references i
gave concerning dwyd hmLK and his resurrection and re-established
sovereignty.
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User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]"

Title: Re: What is "obvious" concering David's throne ... Amos 9:11 04 Feb 2006 04:01:21 AM
Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:

Zorro wrote:

"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" <hasatan@grex.cyberspace.org> wrote in message
news:1138258071.952739.322700@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Leaving aside your irrelevant (and erroneous) presumptions you still
have proposed nothing to which i can reply.


What are you claiming about Efrata ?

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zorro:
claiming???

the only thing i pointed out was the pshat reading as presented
states that Bethlehemjudaea was an Efrata enclave .... according to ezekiel.

what claims do you assume?


None, which is why i am asking you for clarification.
Efrata is the toponym for the district.
i fail to see the connection to Amos 9:9-15 and the other references i
gave concerning dwyd hmLK and his resurrection and re-established
sovereignty.

as i suspected from the beginning you had nothing to say and no point
to make.
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