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25 Nov 2006 08:53:04 PM |
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What will Happen Soon? |
"Questioning Belief
"What will Happen Soon?
"When is Jesus's second coming supposed to be? The Christian New testament
is clear enough about it in citing the very words of God incarnate Himself,
yet Christians will not accept them on face value. As usual, they make God
into a crook like themselves:
"But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily
I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the
Son of man be come. (Matthew 10:22)
"But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and
the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and
the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the
Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall
he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds,
from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. Now
learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth
forth leaves, ye know that summer is near: So ye in like manner, when ye
shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the
doors. Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all
these things be done. (Mark 13:24-30)
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened,
and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven,
and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. And then shall appear the
sign of the Son of man in heaven. And then shall all the tribes of the earth
mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with
power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a
trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from
one end of heaven to the other. Now learn a parable of the fig tree-When his
branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh.
So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near,
even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled. (Matthew 24:29-34)
"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels;
and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Verily I say unto
you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they
see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. (Matthew 16:27-28)
"Revelation 3:11 and 22:7 say, "I come quickly", and Revelation 22:10 says,
"the time is at hand". James 5:8 says, "the coming of the Lord draweth nigh",
although by "the Lord", James would not have meant Jesus but God Himself,
later Christians having conflated the two. Elsewhere, a letter supposed to
have been written by Paul shows that he too believed the Second Coming would
be soon:
"For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive
and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are
asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with
the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God, and the dead in
Christ shall rise first. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught
up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air, and so
shall we ever be with the Lord. (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17)
"This latter is the origin of the absurd modern American notion of "the
rapture", apparently sincerely expected soon by modern US Christians still
to be soon, and meant to be rapturous to remove any fears these poor people
might have of the End of the World being at all unpleasant.
"Now each of these quotations mostly by the incarnated God, or attributed to
him, are as plain as the nose on your face that God, if that is who Jesus
was, expected the world to end soon. That is, it was meant to end soon when
He was speaking 2000 years ago. Even when Paul was writing epistles, he
thought the coming would be soon, and Mark and Matthew evidently thought the
same, all of these having been written before the generation that lived with
Jesus was dead and gone. Now, Christian pastors can invent the rapture to
comfort the lambs, but if the rapture is what is described in 1
Thessalonians, it was expected by the generation of the time, 2000 years
ago. When many generations have gone by with none of them having ever been
raptured off, how can people continue to believe such rubbish. Admittedly,
they are ready to believe their ministers who persuade them that an almighty
God cannot express Himself clearly, even though the words themselves brook
no contradiction. Ingenious and greedy men find ways of contradicting them
to sponge off their flocks, and gullible believers therefore continue to
believe plain and obvious lies.
"Christians were persuaded soon after the death of Jesus that the coming of
God to judge the world, expected by Jesus in Gethsemane but not forthcoming
then, would happen soon afterwards. A generation to the Jews is forty years,
so they believed that the Second Coming would be within forty years of the
death of Jesus. For forty years, or so-allowing a few extra years for
mistiming (since no one had bothered to keep and accurate calendar)-the Day
of God's Vengeance was expected, but it never came. The Church instead tried
several new excuses such as that the Kingdom of God was the Church! It had
already come as a permanent institution of Christians while no one was
looking, and before long was murdering, then burning, people alive. Another
try was that really a millennium would have to pass. That put off the
fateful day for a long time allowing the Church to wallow in filth for many
centuries while the world fell back to the stone age, to exaggerate but a
little. The lambs continued to believe, if for no other reason that it gave
them hope in a world which Christianity had made into hell.
"To this day, the born again lambs ignore history, and their pastors
continue to preach, and seem to be believed, that the Second Coming will
still be soon. It must take a Second Coming to make a Christian intelligent,
but it remains something we shall never see, however long we live. Some
hopeful Christians, fooled by their own delusions, have named dates when the
Second Coming would be, but, though not one has ever been correct, the
prophets and pastors still continue with the same inanities, and the inane
still parrot it, as if their Christ had only died yesterday. It is sad.
"Do Christians ever wonder about such things?"
(http://www.askwhy.co.uk/questioningbelief/032SecondComing.html)
This article reflects its author's opinions and not necessarily those of the
person posting it. IOW, it's up for discussion.
--
Machque
http://www.the-brights.net/
"Liar": As defined by theologians, an atheist who tells an unpleasant
truth. - Anonymous
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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| Title: Re: What will Happen Soon? |
25 Nov 2006 09:20:46 PM |
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"Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote in message
news:12mi0cg34h1i97c@corp.supernews.com...
"Questioning Belief
"What will Happen Soon?
"When is Jesus's second coming supposed to be?
good question, when exactly is the "loving, caring" christian god going to
get his panties stuck up his ***** crack and MURDER everyone again?
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| User: "Azaliah" |
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| Title: Re: What will Happen Soon? |
28 Nov 2006 03:36:49 PM |
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On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 21:53:04 -0500, while bungee jumping,
"Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> shouted thusly:
"Questioning Belief
"What will Happen Soon?
"When is Jesus's second coming supposed to be? The Christian New testament
is clear enough about it in citing the very words of God incarnate Himself,
yet Christians will not accept them on face value. As usual, they make God
into a crook like themselves:
"But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily
I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the
Son of man be come. (Matthew 10:22)
He said that to His 12 disciples. So why pretend it was
in a time capsule, until you found a Bible?
this generation
He said that to His 12 disciples. So why pretend it was
in a time capsule, until you found a Bible?
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
<((>< <((>< <((><
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
- John 17:17
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| User: "Fred A Stover" |
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28 Nov 2006 05:18:15 PM |
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"Azaliah" <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:cflpm29bv9g4hkrphsfev6vbirbsh4pf18@4ax.com...
On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 21:53:04 -0500, while bungee jumping,
"Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> shouted thusly:
"Questioning Belief
"What will Happen Soon?
"When is Jesus's second coming supposed to be? The Christian New
testament
is clear enough about it in citing the very words of God incarnate
Himself,
yet Christians will not accept them on face value. As usual, they make
God
into a crook like themselves:
"But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for
verily
I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till
the
Son of man be come. (Matthew 10:22)
He said that to His 12 disciples. So why pretend it was
in a time capsule, until you found a Bible?
Duh.... Hey Dewey, try reading the Bible. He and John were the two witnesses
to His first coming. He came the way scripture said He would come: "thy King
cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon
an *****, and upon a colt the foal of an *****" (Zech 9:9, John 12:15).
this generation
He said that to His 12 disciples. So why pretend it was
in a time capsule, until you found a Bible?
You're excused from this error. It requires reading ability and thinking,
and is clearly beyond your capabilities. The Author uses three different
words for generation to identify of which generation He is speaking.
He uses "Genea," a word used to denote a natural son, to signify the folks
generated by Jacob/Israel, as in "This generation shall not pass, till all
these things be fulfilled" (Matt 24:34). This is obvious to brighter folks,
for all these things are fulfilled when He comes quickly: "as the lightning
cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the
coming of the Son of man be" (Matt 24:27).
He uses "genos," a word used to denote an adopted son, to signify the church
generated by adoption, as in "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal
priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the
praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous
light" (1 Pet 2:9).
He uses "gennema," to signify all mankind generated by Adam, as in "Ye
serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?"
(Matt 23:33).
How does mankind escape the damnation of hell?
By all the sins of the world coming upon Jesus, generated by Israel, on the
cross:
"Ye serpents, ye generation [gennema: mankind, generated by Adam] of
vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Wherefore, behold, I send
unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill
and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and
persecute them from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous
blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood
of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the
altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this
generation [genea: generated by Israel]" (Matt 23:33-36).
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
Rev. 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and
brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented
day and night for ever and ever.
--
http://www.geocities.com/alphadiego66medina@sbcglobal.net/index.htm
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)
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| User: "Bear" |
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28 Nov 2006 04:24:38 PM |
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"Azaliah" wrote
: "Bear" shouted thusly:
:
: >"Questioning Belief
: >
: >"What will Happen Soon?
: >
: >"When is Jesus's second coming supposed to be? The Christian New
testament
: >is clear enough about it in citing the very words of God incarnate
Himself,
: >yet Christians will not accept them on face value. As usual, they make
God
: >into a crook like themselves:
: >
: >"But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for
verily
: >I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till
the
: >Son of man be come. (Matthew 10:22)
:
: He said that to His 12 disciples. So why pretend it was
: in a time capsule, until you found a Bible?
Did what he said to his disciples come true?
: >this generation
:
: He said that to His 12 disciples. So why pretend it was
: in a time capsule, until you found a Bible?
That generation is long gone and all these things have not been fulfilled.
--
Machque
http://www.the-brights.net/
"Liar": As defined by theologians, an atheist who tells an unpleasant
truth. - Anonymous
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| User: "Azaliah" |
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28 Nov 2006 07:49:43 PM |
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:24:38 -0500, while bungee jumping,
"Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> shouted thusly:
: He said that to His 12 disciples. So why pretend it was
: in a time capsule, until you found a Bible?
Did what he said to his disciples come true?
If it didn't, then He's a liar.
: >this generation
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: He said that to His 12 disciples. So why pretend it was
: in a time capsule, until you found a Bible?
That generation is long gone and all these things have not been fulfilled.
According to you. But again, if they didn't, then He lied.
You seem to think it's proper to change what words mean,
to suit your belief. It isn't.
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
<((>< <((>< <((><
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
- John 17:17
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| User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?cantc=FF?=" |
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28 Nov 2006 08:29:50 PM |
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Azaliah wrote:
"Bear" wrote:
Azaliah wrote:
: He said that to His 12 disciples. So why pretend it was
: in a time capsule, until you found a Bible?
Did what he said to his disciples come true?
If it didn't, then He's a liar.
Are you saying that those things came true?
That generation is long gone and all these things have not been fulfilled.
According to you. But again, if they didn't, then He lied.
According to you, did those things come true?
You seem to think it's proper to change what words mean,
to suit your belief. It isn't.
I can't tell what your claim is.
When did Jesus return?
Which newsgroup are you reading?
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