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"rhuff163" |
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16 Sep 2004 11:02:02 PM |
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What would Jesus do? |
Devotional Guide
For the week of September 12, 2004
WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?
To Read: Psalms 73-75
To Know:
"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly
are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered
from thorns, or figs from thistles?" (Matt. 7:15,16)
The torture of Russian children in Beslam was excruciating for many of us at
Byfield Parish. Twelve of us spent a fortnight in Russia last February. For
one entire week we labored to show the love of Christ to orphaned Russian
children. When we heard of the cruelties inflicted on the Beslam children we
saw in our mind's eye the faces of students we met at Ivanavo.
While paramilitary Islamics savaged hundreds of helpless children and their
parents, many in the American press painstakingly followed hurricane Frances
as it inched its way toward Florida. The American media needs to report more
fully and analyze more accurately the shift in tactics being employed by
radical Islam. Many who provide Americans with their news believe Islam is a
peaceful religion. Not a few liberal preachers turn a blind eye to the
blood being spilled by Islamics that they may remain religious pluralists.
Why, if many in the press and many liberal preachers tell us the truth that
the terrorists have hijacked peaceful Islam, do other Islamic organizations
not condemn their brothers and sisters when they torture to death little
children?
To Do:
Jesus said, "You will know them by their fruits." Many in the American press
and pulpits discount the ferocity of Islam. Are these wolves in sheep's
clothing?
To Answer:
Saturday: Psalms 76-78
Sunday: Psalms 79-81
09174$-09174
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| User: "John Ings" |
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17 Sep 2004 07:24:42 AM |
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 04:02:02 GMT, "rhuff163" <rhuff163@cfl.rr.com>
wrote:
The American media needs to report more
fully and analyze more accurately the shift in tactics being employed by
radical Islam. Many who provide Americans with their news believe Islam is a
peaceful religion.
Sure it is! Just like Christianity, which has incited its followers to
kill and torture Muslim children in the former Yugoslavia.
Not a few liberal preachers turn a blind eye to the
blood being spilled by Islamics that they may remain religious pluralists.
Why, if many in the press and many liberal preachers tell us the truth that
the terrorists have hijacked peaceful Islam, do other Islamic organizations
not condemn their brothers and sisters when they torture to death little
children?
How do you know they don't?
But the truth is that such criticism has no effect anyway. The
religious fanatic is certain he is right, and nothing will dissuade
him. The root of the problem is neither Christianity nor Islam, it is
religion. Religion, especially monotheistic religion, encourages
intolerance and hatred. It always has.
## Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum.
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| User: "Dore" |
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05 Oct 2004 09:37:37 PM |
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"John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
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But the truth is that such criticism has no effect anyway. The
religious fanatic is certain he is right, and nothing will dissuade
him. The root of the problem is neither Christianity nor Islam, it is
religion. Religion, especially monotheistic religion, encourages
intolerance and hatred. It always has.
No, the truth is that the root of ALL problems is greed and the love of
money, which oppresses, enslaves, controls, manipulates and causes ALL
suffering and horror on the earth. It is not a fight between religions as
much as it is a fight between the rich, wealthy, corporate elite and the
oppressed, enslaved and abused poor and working class. In this society, it
doesn't matter what religion you are or what you believe, all that matters
is how much money you have and if you don't have much, you are hated,
despised, abused and downtrodden, while those who have it, are forgiven,
tolerated, supported and accepted no matter how much they murder, torture,
lie, are perverted, steal, are corrupt, oppress, are unjust, lawless, and
evil.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 04:02:02 GMT, "rhuff163" <rhuff163@cfl.rr.com>
wrote:
The American media needs to report more
fully and analyze more accurately the shift in tactics being employed by
radical Islam. Many who provide Americans with their news believe Islam
is a
peaceful religion.
Sure it is! Just like Christianity, which has incited its followers to
kill and torture Muslim children in the former Yugoslavia.
Not a few liberal preachers turn a blind eye to the
blood being spilled by Islamics that they may remain religious
pluralists.
Why, if many in the press and many liberal preachers tell us the truth
that
the terrorists have hijacked peaceful Islam, do other Islamic
organizations
not condemn their brothers and sisters when they torture to death little
children?
How do you know they don't?
But the truth is that such criticism has no effect anyway. The
religious fanatic is certain he is right, and nothing will dissuade
him. The root of the problem is neither Christianity nor Islam, it is
religion. Religion, especially monotheistic religion, encourages
intolerance and hatred. It always has.
## Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum.
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| User: "John Ings" |
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| Title: Re: What would Jesus do? |
05 Oct 2004 10:17:05 PM |
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On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 02:37:37 GMT, "Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net>
wrote:
But the truth is that such criticism has no effect anyway. The
religious fanatic is certain he is right, and nothing will dissuade
him. The root of the problem is neither Christianity nor Islam, it is
religion. Religion, especially monotheistic religion, encourages
intolerance and hatred. It always has.
No, the truth is that the root of ALL problems is greed and the love of
money,
Many problems yes. Not all.
which oppresses, enslaves, controls, manipulates and causes ALL
suffering and horror on the earth.
That's far too simplistic. Greed and avarice have indeed caused
suffering and horror. They have also encouraged the advancement of
civilization and the betterment of the lot of the average man.
It is not a fight between religions as
much as it is a fight between the rich, wealthy, corporate elite and the
oppressed, enslaved and abused poor and working class.
Oh foo! Even the briefest perusal of history will show you that the
working class is far less oppressed and enslaved than it used to be.
It is the poor of the third world that are in that condition now, and
it is the working class of the western nations that are helping keep
them there.
In this society, it doesn't matter what religion you are or what you believe,
It matters to a lot of people.
all that matters is how much money you have and if you don't have much,
you are hated, despised, abused and downtrodden,
Blather. You sound like a soapbox Communist.
while those who have it, are forgiven,
tolerated, supported and accepted no matter how much they murder, torture,
lie, are perverted, steal, are corrupt, oppress, are unjust, lawless, and
evil.
Drivel. Your rhetoric reminds me of the time the Communist propaganda
press tried circulating pictures of the Watts riots in third-world
countries, trying to show how enslaved and downtrodden the poor blacks
of the US were. Their ploy backfired bigtime. The third-world folks
saw pictures of blacks who were obviously better fed and better
dressed than they were, wearing shoes and driving cars. They weren't
sympathetic, they were envious!
Even the poorest unmarried mother living off welfare in East L.A. is
better off than the average married woman in Bangladesh.
And what is keeping the slums of South American countries and the
Muslim world overpopulated and poor? Could both Catholicism and Islam
preaching against birth control have something to do with it?
## GOD: What one man uses to persecute another.
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| User: "Dore" |
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06 Oct 2004 11:37:12 PM |
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"John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
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No, the truth is that the root of ALL problems is greed and the love of
money,
Many problems yes. Not all.
Like what John? The only thing that money doesn't affect is the sexual
perversions and lusts of individuals, and even that is glorified and engaged
in for profit. There are NO Muslims that are terrorizing anyone for their
religion. There are Muslims who are fighting against oppression, evil,
greed, and injustice so that they can practice their religion without being
accosted and corrupted by governmental influence and control. The wealthy
globalist elite USE the Muslims, because they love chaos, war and fighting.
That is why they use the media to cause separation, fighting and arguments
with Liberals and right wingers, Democrats and Republicans, and any other
differences to cause the disruption so that people are focused on their
fighting instead of the oppression, manipulation, control and enslavement
that the rich corporates and governments are imposing on the people.
cont
That's far too simplistic. Greed and avarice have indeed caused
suffering and horror. They have also encouraged the advancement of
civilization and the betterment of the lot of the average man.
I don't see how greed, oppression, selfishness, lack of civility and morals,
theft, power, control, warmongering, violence, and manipulation advances
civilization, in fact, it diminishes it into a degradation and corrupt
society. Fact is, if the poor and working class, who have those who are
intelligent, inventive, creative and wise would have opportunity,
civilization would have advanced further than it has, and the reason it
hasn't is because the greedy rich, wealthy, corporate, selfish,
powermongering, warmongering governments prefer chaos, violence, power and
control for their own entertainment and selfish pleasures. I don't see how
EVIL advances anyone. Would you rather mankind be focused on what could be,
rather than how they can destroy, cause chaos, and manipulate what is? How
is the average man better? Is slavery to the rich corporate rulers better
than seeking what each individual has in gifts, talents, wisdom and
knowledge to make life wonderful, caring, loving and peaceful for all? The
fact is, that the rulers are only interested in destruction, violence, war,
profits, power and control over each and every individual, for they find
pleasure in these things. How is worrying about making payments just to
survive another day, better for the average man?
cont
It is not a fight between religions as
much as it is a fight between the rich, wealthy, corporate elite and the
oppressed, enslaved and abused poor and working class.
Oh foo! Even the briefest perusal of history will show you that the
working class is far less oppressed and enslaved than it used to be.
It is the poor of the third world that are in that condition now, and
it is the working class of the western nations that are helping keep
them there.
You are blind, brainwashed, manipulated and believe the lies of the liars.
You have less freedom NOW than any civilization ever had in history, but
because the government tells you that slavery is freedom, war is peace and
ignorance is strength and patriotism is bowing, cowering, supporting and
defending the SATANIC evil doers of chaos, war, profit, control and power,
you buy it, hook, line and sinker. You tell me that while the average
working class makes an average of $15 an hour and that is NOT enslavement,
wondering how you are going to pay all of your bills and taxes, to those
who have BILLIONS, even TRILLIONS, living in luxury, DOING NOTHING but what
pleases them in partying, shopping and lawlessness. And it is these who have
taken advantage of the third world countries, taking their business to them,
paying them $40 a WEEK, in sweat shops and absolute slavery, while still
charging astronomical prices to YOU, making them even more wealthy than what
they are. The working class is used, abused, enslaved and PAY for everything
and GET NOTHING in return, but a Nazi controlled Police State, taking all of
their liberties and freedoms away, making the cost of living rise daily,
without pay raises and ability to keep up. Do you know that the US
government borrows billions from the Federal Reserve, a PRIVATELY owned
banking system, to fund their warmongering, pleasures, and luxuries, which
they hold stocks, and make a profit off of what they spend, and you spend
almost HALF of your paycheck just to pay interest on it and if you don't pay
off THEIR debt, YOU go to jail? Why do you think that these rich, wealthy
EVIL, godless, lawless, selfish, self-serving men are better than YOU or any
man? What does the Declaration of Independence say? That ALL men are created
EQUAL? HA! Why do you fall for their lies and schemes and continue to allow
them to enslave, use, abuse, manipulate, brainwash and control you without
complaint? Just because some poor black, brown or Asian people have it worse
than you, doesn't mean that YOU have it GOOD. It means that you are
brainwashed into that mindset, so you don't rebel and complain against them.
cont
In this society, it doesn't matter what religion you are or what you
believe,
It matters to a lot of people.
all that matters is how much money you have and if you don't have much,
you are hated, despised, abused and downtrodden,
Blather. You sound like a soapbox Communist.
NO, it only matters to those who believe in their religions, but to those
who CONTROL and RULE over you, it doesn't matter, and it doesn't matter to
most people, for if you look and see how the homeless are treated in this
country, the poor on welfare, etc, you would see that it doesn't matter what
religion they hold, it only matters how many digits in a bank's computer
that people have.
YOU sound like a selfish, ignorant, evil, self-serving moron, who couldn't
care less about anyone but yourself, while supporting and defending rich,
wealthy, corporate government rulers who abuse you, but you are TOO STUPID
to see it.
cont
while those who have it, are forgiven,
tolerated, supported and accepted no matter how much they murder,
torture,
lie, are perverted, steal, are corrupt, oppress, are unjust, lawless, and
evil.
Drivel. Your rhetoric reminds me of the time the Communist propaganda
press tried circulating pictures of the Watts riots in third-world
countries, trying to show how enslaved and downtrodden the poor blacks
of the US were. Their ploy backfired bigtime. The third-world folks
saw pictures of blacks who were obviously better fed and better
dressed than they were, wearing shoes and driving cars. They weren't
sympathetic, they were envious!
Even the poorest unmarried mother living off welfare in East L.A. is
better off than the average married woman in Bangladesh.
And what is keeping the slums of South American countries and the
Muslim world overpopulated and poor? Could both Catholicism and Islam
preaching against birth control have something to do with it?
It is clear that truth and REALITY is lost on you. You can't see that you
are excusing the acts of the rich, wealthy rulers, who have TRILLIONS, and
could feed, clothe and house every person on this planet, but do NOT, and
pretend that because there are people who are poorer than you, that you have
it so great. Do you have a yacht, a BMW, a mansion, and party all day? How
about freedom to do as you please when you want to? Can you drive without a
seatbelt, a license or insurance? Can you go anywhere where there are no
cameras watching your every move? Can you drive on the freeways without
tolls, or police checks? Can you smoke a joint, drink a beer anywhere you
please? Can you take off work when you want, or be late, take your lunch
when you please or do anything without someone demanding that you do as THEY
want you to do? Can you leave your front door unlocked, your garage open and
leave your possessions out in the open, without worrying about whether some
poor, oppressed, hungry or desperate person won't steal something? Can you
walk down any street in the good ol USA and not be accosted, car jacked,
raped, or murdered? And do you know why these things occur? Because people
are poor, denied, depressed, miserable, oppressed, rejected, angry, and
desperate, because of MONEY, a worthless digit in a computer, a piece of
paper with numbers on it, determining who, how, when, where and what they
are ALLOWED to be, have and do, by the fortunate, wealthy elite and
corporate rulers that makes those decisions. EVERYTHING is driven by MONEY,
and if you don't see that, then you are BLIND and IGNORANT. Just because
there are those in other countries who are more poor than you, doesn't mean
that YOU are NOT poor, enslaved, oppressed, used and abused. ALL poverty is
controlled, manipulated, masterminded and orchestrated by the rich, wealthy,
corporate government rulers, who themselves, live in absolute freedom and
luxury, while stealing, oppressing, manipulating and controlling the poor
and working class. If the wealthy corporate rulers were NOT so evil, greedy,
selfish, self-serving and SATANIC, they would share the wealth and eradicate
poverty all over the world, but they don't and do you know why? Because they
don't WANT TO. They HATE peace, they HATE the poor and the working class,
calling them worthless and disposable eaters and sheeple, and use them to go
to war, die, suffer, and work to entertain and make them even more rich
than what they are already. It isn't about Catholicism and Islam, because
those who RULE the world control, orchestrate, manipulate, and implement
absolutely everything, including terrorism, war, chaos, fighting, and
opposing forces. There is NOT ONE thing that happens on this planet, without
the wealthy corporate, rulers planning, orchestrating, implementing and
controlling it. NOTHING. Do you know that the wealthy corporate rulers
finance and support BOTH sides of any war, because it doesn't matter to them
who wins it, because they have planned that as well, but because they LOVE
the battle, the chaos, the horror and it is ALL entertainment to them. Do
you think that you elect your president? You don't. First of all, the only
people capable of running is one of the wealthy corporate rulers, which are
all buddies, family members, or members of the same organizations and they
plan, groom, orchestrate and appoint whomever THEY want to be the public
face for glory, recognition and blame. They OWN the media, the TV, the
newspapers, the corporations, they OWN it all and they decide and make ALL
of the rules, as well as what you see, what you think what you believe and
they don't let you in their boys club.
You blame religion when religion is just one of the tools that the wealthy
corporate rulers ALLOW you to have, and then they dictate how you may
practice that religion. The common man, having NO wealth power or authority
to change anything, make any rules or determine their own choices in matters
of how they live, or how they may practice their religion, are NOT the ones
that have the finances, ability and CIA or any government dictate's blessing
to terrorize or cause any war. The government controls and KNOWS where every
terrorist is, where every nuclear capability is, where every person on this
planet, eats, works, lives, spends, drives and says, whether it is by
telephone or internet, what you buy and what you think, and NOTHING escapes
them. So don't think that any one religious group is capable of keeping
anything secret or causing anything to occur without their knowledge,
support, orchestration or implementation. YOU LIVE IN A NAZI POLICE STATE,
as does every person on this planet. Welcome to SATAN'S kingdom and maybe
YOU need to get some religion, some sort of relationship with your CREATOR,
because otherwise you will just be another one of their ignorant,
brainwashed, SLAVE, that stupidly supports and defends them. And maybe if
you stay stupid, brainwashed and ignorant, you will fear them and OBEY, bow
and cower to them, to turn in, imprison, or even murder your own family
members because you think that these masters is better than HUMANITY and
deserve that ALL people should cower, bow and be enslaved, oppressed,
controlled, manipulated and SERVE these EVIL MEN. WAKE UP, before it is too
late.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
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On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 02:37:37 GMT, "Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net>
wrote:
But the truth is that such criticism has no effect anyway. The
religious fanatic is certain he is right, and nothing will dissuade
him. The root of the problem is neither Christianity nor Islam, it is
religion. Religion, especially monotheistic religion, encourages
intolerance and hatred. It always has.
No, the truth is that the root of ALL problems is greed and the love of
money,
Many problems yes. Not all.
which oppresses, enslaves, controls, manipulates and causes ALL
suffering and horror on the earth.
That's far too simplistic. Greed and avarice have indeed caused
suffering and horror. They have also encouraged the advancement of
civilization and the betterment of the lot of the average man.
It is not a fight between religions as
much as it is a fight between the rich, wealthy, corporate elite and the
oppressed, enslaved and abused poor and working class.
Oh foo! Even the briefest perusal of history will show you that the
working class is far less oppressed and enslaved than it used to be.
It is the poor of the third world that are in that condition now, and
it is the working class of the western nations that are helping keep
them there.
In this society, it doesn't matter what religion you are or what you
believe,
It matters to a lot of people.
all that matters is how much money you have and if you don't have much,
you are hated, despised, abused and downtrodden,
Blather. You sound like a soapbox Communist.
while those who have it, are forgiven,
tolerated, supported and accepted no matter how much they murder,
torture,
lie, are perverted, steal, are corrupt, oppress, are unjust, lawless, and
evil.
Drivel. Your rhetoric reminds me of the time the Communist propaganda
press tried circulating pictures of the Watts riots in third-world
countries, trying to show how enslaved and downtrodden the poor blacks
of the US were. Their ploy backfired bigtime. The third-world folks
saw pictures of blacks who were obviously better fed and better
dressed than they were, wearing shoes and driving cars. They weren't
sympathetic, they were envious!
Even the poorest unmarried mother living off welfare in East L.A. is
better off than the average married woman in Bangladesh.
And what is keeping the slums of South American countries and the
Muslim world overpopulated and poor? Could both Catholicism and Islam
preaching against birth control have something to do with it?
## GOD: What one man uses to persecute another.
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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15 Apr 2005 03:05:09 PM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
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No, the truth is that the root of ALL problems is greed and the love of
money,
Many problems yes. Not all.
Like what John? The only thing that money doesn't affect is the sexual
perversions and lusts of individuals, and even that is glorified and
engaged
in for profit. There are NO Muslims that are terrorizing anyone for their
religion.
ROFWL, sure Dore, wanna buy the Golden Gate Bridge ? I am sure someone is
claiming that they can sell it to you for $5 bucks !
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| User: "Concerned Christian" |
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18 Sep 2004 07:51:41 AM |
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"John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 04:02:02 GMT, "rhuff163" <rhuff163@cfl.rr.com>
wrote:
The American media needs to report more
fully and analyze more accurately the shift in tactics being employed by
radical Islam. Many who provide Americans with their news believe Islam
is a
peaceful religion.
Sure it is! Just like Christianity, which has incited its followers to
kill and torture Muslim children in the former Yugoslavia.
I am more concerned about so called Christians from the United States
torturing and raping children at Abu and Gitmo. It was bad enough letting a
drug abuser and draft dodger lead the country, but letting him lead the
country to this??
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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23 Sep 2004 11:49:30 AM |
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"John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 04:02:02 GMT, "rhuff163" <rhuff163@cfl.rr.com>
wrote:
The American media needs to report more
fully and analyze more accurately the shift in tactics being employed by
radical Islam. Many who provide Americans with their news believe Islam
is a
peaceful religion.
Sure it is! Just like Christianity, which has incited its followers to
kill and torture Muslim children in the former Yugoslavia.
Not a few liberal preachers turn a blind eye to the
blood being spilled by Islamics that they may remain religious
pluralists.
Why, if many in the press and many liberal preachers tell us the truth
that
the terrorists have hijacked peaceful Islam, do other Islamic
organizations
not condemn their brothers and sisters when they torture to death little
children?
How do you know they don't?
But the truth is that such criticism has no effect anyway. The
religious fanatic is certain he is right, and nothing will dissuade
him. The root of the problem is neither Christianity nor Islam, it is
religion. Religion, especially monotheistic religion, encourages
intolerance and hatred. It always has.
You seem to be out of your cage again trolling Christian NGs to trash
and ankle-bite, if not flame Christians. Christ preaches peace, for He is
the Prince of Peace, commanding us to love and forbidding every and all of
man's inhumanity to man. It's only your utter ignorance of Christian
teaching and your enslavement to the devil which makes a liar out of you,
saying Christ preaches "intolerance and hatred".
If it weren't for the great religious reformers preaching peaceful and
moral behaviour convincingly, we still would need to walk about armed to
the teeth like people of old used to, and the ARA wants us to do again,
making it illegal to go about unarmed.
Pastor Frank
THE ROYAL LAW OF CHRIST
**Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
**31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
**Jesus in Mat 22:40 "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two
commandments."
THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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24 Sep 2004 09:10:58 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 04:02:02 GMT, "rhuff163" <rhuff163@cfl.rr.com>
wrote:
The American media needs to report more
fully and analyze more accurately the shift in tactics being employed by
radical Islam. Many who provide Americans with their news believe Islam
is a
peaceful religion.
Sure it is! Just like Christianity, which has incited its followers to
kill and torture Muslim children in the former Yugoslavia.
Not a few liberal preachers turn a blind eye to the
blood being spilled by Islamics that they may remain religious
pluralists.
Why, if many in the press and many liberal preachers tell us the truth
that
the terrorists have hijacked peaceful Islam, do other Islamic
organizations
not condemn their brothers and sisters when they torture to death little
children?
How do you know they don't?
But the truth is that such criticism has no effect anyway. The
religious fanatic is certain he is right, and nothing will dissuade
him. The root of the problem is neither Christianity nor Islam, it is
religion. Religion, especially monotheistic religion, encourages
intolerance and hatred. It always has.
You seem to be out of your cage again trolling Christian NGs to trash
and ankle-bite, if not flame Christians. Christ preaches peace, for He is
the Prince of Peace, commanding us to love and forbidding every and all of
man's inhumanity to man. It's only your utter ignorance of Christian
teaching and your enslavement to the devil which makes a liar out of you,
saying Christ preaches "intolerance and hatred".
If it weren't for the great religious reformers preaching peaceful and
moral behaviour convincingly, we still would need to walk about armed to
the teeth like people of old used to, and the ARA wants us to do again,
making it illegal to go about unarmed.
Pastor Frank
===>Typical fake "pastor" response.
Your ignorance of the history of religion is exhibited once again.
The history of Judaism/Christianity/Islam shows what an evil
such "revealed" religion can be. They are all offshoots of
the ancient Canaanite spirit of tribalism: the "we are the people
of God (Christ//YHWH/Allah) and everyone else is a devil"
mentality. E.g., in the olden days Israelites of YHWH were killing
the Moabites of Chemosh, and the Moabites of Chemosh the
Israelites of YHWH. Because their "God" told them to do it!
As for your comment:
"illegal to go about unarmed"???
What kind of idiot are you, Sheepherder?
NO ONE has advocated making it "illegal to go about unarmed". -- L.
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25 Jan 2005 09:07:28 PM |
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I live next to a mosque in a Moslem nieghbourhood here in Houston, they,
American Moslems DO condemn the actions of the radicals, some have sons,
husbands, daughters, etc, serving in our armed forces against terrorism
"John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 04:02:02 GMT, "rhuff163" <rhuff163@cfl.rr.com>
wrote:
The American media needs to report more
fully and analyze more accurately the shift in tactics being employed by
radical Islam. Many who provide Americans with their news believe Islam is
a
peaceful religion.
Sure it is! Just like Christianity, which has incited its followers to
kill and torture Muslim children in the former Yugoslavia.
Not a few liberal preachers turn a blind eye to the
blood being spilled by Islamics that they may remain religious pluralists.
Why, if many in the press and many liberal preachers tell us the truth
that
the terrorists have hijacked peaceful Islam, do other Islamic
organizations
not condemn their brothers and sisters when they torture to death little
children?
How do you know they don't?
But the truth is that such criticism has no effect anyway. The
religious fanatic is certain he is right, and nothing will dissuade
him. The root of the problem is neither Christianity nor Islam, it is
religion. Religion, especially monotheistic religion, encourages
intolerance and hatred. It always has.
## Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum.
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17 Sep 2004 10:37:24 AM |
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What would Jesus do?
He did not send His time preaching against the barbarian unbelievers.
What He did do was drive the money-changers and merchants out of HIS Temple.
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| User: "John Ings" |
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24 Sep 2004 09:28:30 AM |
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:37:24 -0700, "Zerubbabel"
<stevea@awesomenet.net> wrote:
What He did do was drive the money-changers and merchants out of HIS Temple.
Do you know why the money changers were there?
## RELIGION: A disease born of fear, a source of untold misery.
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| User: "sheep defender" |
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25 Sep 2004 02:23:12 PM |
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In article <plb8l09oasnn2mu6hlo1c28ume8kd3c20a@4ax.com>, John Ings
<nodamned@spam.org> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:37:24 -0700, "Zerubbabel"
<stevea@awesomenet.net> wrote:
What He did do was drive the money-changers and merchants out of HIS Temple.
Do you know why the money changers were there?
## RELIGION: A disease born of fear, a source of untold misery.
People who love money or a religion like the one which impressed those
temple builders are already lost.
They desperately need to rebuild their relationship with our God, but
exhalting a human image and its human attributes will continually prevent
that rebuilding.. This is the deadly trap which christian theology
continues to tout to the indolent. Obviously, it's far worse than
innocent or prideful atheism.
Defender
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27 Sep 2004 11:15:43 AM |
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:23:12 -0600,
(sheep defender) wrote:
What He did do was drive the money-changers and merchants out of HIS Temple.
Do you know why the money changers were there?
People who love money or a religion like the one which impressed those
temple builders are already lost.
You didn't answer the question. How can you expect to understand
what's in your Bible if you don't know the background? The Bible does
not bother explaining why there were money changers in the temple, the
writers assumed a readership who already knew. You have to read some
history of Judea to understand what Y'shua's objection was.
Now why were there money changers in the temple precincts?
If you don't know, do some research.
## Are you thinking, or just rearranging your prejudices?
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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06 Apr 2005 09:46:18 AM |
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"John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:23:12 -0600,
(sheep defender) wrote:
What He did do was drive the money-changers and merchants out of HIS
Temple.
Do you know why the money changers were there?
People who love money or a religion like the one which impressed those
temple builders are already lost.
You didn't answer the question. How can you expect to understand
what's in your Bible if you don't know the background? The Bible does
not bother explaining why there were money changers in the temple, the
writers assumed a readership who already knew. You have to read some
history of Judea to understand what Y'shua's objection was.
Now why were there money changers in the temple precincts?
As instructed by God, as the Temple had to have its own currency, there had
to be money changers, Christ's complaint wasn't that they were doing
exchange, but as He complained, "You have made it a den of robbers and
theives" they were stealing !
If you don't know, do some research.
## Are you thinking, or just rearranging your prejudices?
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| User: "sensi4sight" |
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06 Apr 2005 11:02:46 AM |
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:1157sv470duie22@corp.supernews.com...
"John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
news:toegl0d1u8a8475gb07u09man31fmn7coq@4ax.com...
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:23:12 -0600,
(sheep defender) wrote:
What He did do was drive the money-changers and merchants out of HIS
Temple.
sensi:
His TEMPLE was his own mind, heart, body and soul
He drove out things(thoughts & ideas) that would not hold up to the value of
life.As for merchants......people will try to sell you a doctrine. Jesus
didn't buy what the Pharisees were offering.
Do you know why the money changers were there?
sensi:
We are all moneychangers. We exchange one coin (value) for another. There
are always two sides to every coin, the side of the physical way of thinking
= Caeser the spiritual side of thinking= Spirit.
ove money or a religion like the one which impressed those
temple builders are already lost.
You didn't answer the question. How can you expect to understand
what's in your Bible if you don't know the background? The Bible does
not bother explaining why there were money changers in the temple, the
writers assumed a readership who already knew. You have to read some
history of Judea to understand what Y'shua's objection was.
Now why were there money changers in the temple precincts?
sensi:
To teach us to overcome and find value in life.
instructed by God, as the Temple had to have its own currency, there had
to be money changers, Christ's complaint wasn't that they were doing
exchange, but as He complained, "You have made it a den of robbers and
theives" they were stealing !
sensi:
Don't you know that Jesus as a man went through many of the same things we
go through. When we don't the see the value in life...i.e. the forgiveness
and the patience in learning and developing, we in a way are theives as we
steal God's forgiveness away from others. It is a crying shame that we do
not see the currency of forgiveness but we do see the currency of a dollar
bill.
Heads up!
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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09 Apr 2005 04:57:24 AM |
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I doubt John was looking for mystical answers, but I appreciate yours...
"sensi4sight" <sensi4sight@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6cmdnYlY2NW3lcnfRVn-pw@pghconnect.com...
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:1157sv470duie22@corp.supernews.com...
"John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
news:toegl0d1u8a8475gb07u09man31fmn7coq@4ax.com...
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:23:12 -0600,
(sheep defender) wrote:
What He did do was drive the money-changers and merchants out of HIS
Temple.
sensi:
His TEMPLE was his own mind, heart, body and soul
He drove out things(thoughts & ideas) that would not hold up to the value
of life.As for merchants......people will try to sell you a doctrine.
Jesus didn't buy what the Pharisees were offering.
Do you know why the money changers were there?
sensi:
We are all moneychangers. We exchange one coin (value) for another. There
are always two sides to every coin, the side of the physical way of
thinking = Caeser the spiritual side of thinking= Spirit.
ove money or a religion like the one which impressed those
temple builders are already lost.
You didn't answer the question. How can you expect to understand
what's in your Bible if you don't know the background? The Bible does
not bother explaining why there were money changers in the temple, the
writers assumed a readership who already knew. You have to read some
history of Judea to understand what Y'shua's objection was.
Now why were there money changers in the temple precincts?
sensi:
To teach us to overcome and find value in life.
instructed by God, as the Temple had to have its own currency, there had
to be money changers, Christ's complaint wasn't that they were doing
exchange, but as He complained, "You have made it a den of robbers and
theives" they were stealing !
sensi:
Don't you know that Jesus as a man went through many of the same things we
go through. When we don't the see the value in life...i.e. the forgiveness
and the patience in learning and developing, we in a way are theives as we
steal God's forgiveness away from others. It is a crying shame that we do
not see the currency of forgiveness but we do see the currency of a dollar
bill.
Heads up!
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| User: "sensi4sight" |
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06 Apr 2005 11:12:05 AM |
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Oops,sorry.....I now see that you were looking for a specific answer and I
gave one that wasn't even close to what you were looking for.
I thought this was about the value of the soul but I see it's really about
the economy of people passed on..
My apologies,
sensi
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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09 Apr 2005 08:33:57 PM |
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Jesus does nothing.
Barry
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| User: "John Ings" |
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06 Apr 2005 10:14:06 AM |
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On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 09:46:18 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
What He did do was drive the money-changers and merchants out of HIS
Temple.
Do you know why the money changers were there?
People who love money or a religion like the one which impressed those
temple builders are already lost.
You didn't answer the question. How can you expect to understand
what's in your Bible if you don't know the background? The Bible does
not bother explaining why there were money changers in the temple, the
writers assumed a readership who already knew. You have to read some
history of Judea to understand what Y'shua's objection was.
Now why were there money changers in the temple precincts?
As instructed by God, as the Temple had to have its own currency, there had
to be money changers, Christ's complaint wasn't that they were doing
exchange, but as He complained, "You have made it a den of robbers and
theives" they were stealing !
No, that's not what was going on. There was no seperate Temple
currency. The money changers were dealing in Judean shekels,
and colbon, Persian drachons, Roman aureii, denarii and sestertii and
other coinage from all over the Mediterranean world.
The Temple was a very powerful economic center, through which a
tremendous amount of money passed. As an economic center, it bought
and sold agricultural produce - plants, spices, wine, metals, woven
materials and also animals. The center also dealt with problems of
employing workers, including strikes, medical insurance, the devotion
of workers and their good name, and also put out tenders for
suppliers, transferred money and expensive materials in guarded
caravans, was damaged by thieves and all kinds of robbers, and
employed many means of collecting debts applied against those who
refused to pay.
But that isn't the main reason for the large amounts of foreign
coinage that needed changing. Nor is it the reason that the money
changers were out in the open on the temple grounds where Y'shua could
get at them with a stick. There is a specific reason, and it's the
same reason that the size of the grounds on the Temple mount had to be
enlarged three seperate times.
So apply yourself to some scholarship Glenn. What was going on?
If you don't know, do some research.
## Are you thinking, or just rearranging your prejudices?
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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11 May 2005 07:22:59 AM |
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Nothing.
Barry
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Home page
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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09 Apr 2005 04:54:15 AM |
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You are the one lacking scholarship, noticed as soon as you claimed the
Temple wasn't coining its own money as it was instructed of God
"John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
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On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 09:46:18 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
What He did do was drive the money-changers and merchants out of HIS
Temple.
Do you know why the money changers were there?
People who love money or a religion like the one which impressed those
temple builders are already lost.
You didn't answer the question. How can you expect to understand
what's in your Bible if you don't know the background? The Bible does
not bother explaining why there were money changers in the temple, the
writers assumed a readership who already knew. You have to read some
history of Judea to understand what Y'shua's objection was.
Now why were there money changers in the temple precincts?
As instructed by God, as the Temple had to have its own currency, there
had
to be money changers, Christ's complaint wasn't that they were doing
exchange, but as He complained, "You have made it a den of robbers and
theives" they were stealing !
No, that's not what was going on. There was no seperate Temple
currency. The money changers were dealing in Judean shekels,
and colbon, Persian drachons, Roman aureii, denarii and sestertii and
other coinage from all over the Mediterranean world.
The Temple was a very powerful economic center, through which a
tremendous amount of money passed. As an economic center, it bought
and sold agricultural produce - plants, spices, wine, metals, woven
materials and also animals. The center also dealt with problems of
employing workers, including strikes, medical insurance, the devotion
of workers and their good name, and also put out tenders for
suppliers, transferred money and expensive materials in guarded
caravans, was damaged by thieves and all kinds of robbers, and
employed many means of collecting debts applied against those who
refused to pay.
But that isn't the main reason for the large amounts of foreign
coinage that needed changing. Nor is it the reason that the money
changers were out in the open on the temple grounds where Y'shua could
get at them with a stick. There is a specific reason, and it's the
same reason that the size of the grounds on the Temple mount had to be
enlarged three seperate times.
So apply yourself to some scholarship Glenn. What was going on?
If you don't know, do some research.
## Are you thinking, or just rearranging your prejudices?
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| User: "John Ings" |
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09 Apr 2005 07:39:09 AM |
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On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 04:54:15 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
You are the one lacking scholarship, noticed as soon as you claimed the
Temple wasn't coining its own money as it was instructed of God
The only coin acceptable at the Temple for an offering was the shekel
and half shekel. Originally it was Phoenician money, coined in Tyre by
the Romans. When the Romans debased the purity of the silver, the Jews
asked for and got permission from the Romans to coin their own
shelkels of the required purity.
http://israelvisit.co.il/beged-ivri/shekel/J-Tyrian.htm
But you could spend such a coin anywhere. It was legal money.
Morover, if shekels for the Temple tax was all that was needed it
wouldn't have been all that big a deal.
What else was going on? What was Y'shua's protest about?
## He who knows only one religion knows none.
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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12 Apr 2005 05:39:50 PM |
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He stated His reason, read the text.
"John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
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On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 04:54:15 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
You are the one lacking scholarship, noticed as soon as you claimed the
Temple wasn't coining its own money as it was instructed of God
The only coin acceptable at the Temple for an offering was the shekel
and half shekel. Originally it was Phoenician money, coined in Tyre by
the Romans. When the Romans debased the purity of the silver, the Jews
asked for and got permission from the Romans to coin their own
shelkels of the required purity.
http://israelvisit.co.il/beged-ivri/shekel/J-Tyrian.htm
But you could spend such a coin anywhere. It was legal money.
Morover, if shekels for the Temple tax was all that was needed it
wouldn't have been all that big a deal.
What else was going on? What was Y'shua's protest about?
## He who knows only one religion knows none.
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| User: "John Ings" |
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12 Apr 2005 06:35:31 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:39:50 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
He stated His reason, read the text.
Sure, but who was he talking about?
No, not just the money changers.
They were just symbolic of what he was protesting.
Expand your thinking. What was going on?
## Greed is envy with its sleeves rolled up.
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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15 Apr 2005 03:06:33 PM |
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"John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:39:50 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
He stated His reason, read the text.
Sure, but who was he talking about?
No, not just the money changers.
They were just symbolic of what he was protesting.
Expand your thinking. What was going on?
Quote Him, and once you do, you have the answer.
## Greed is envy with its sleeves rolled up.
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| User: "John Ings" |
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15 Apr 2005 04:11:01 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:06:33 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
He stated His reason, read the text.
Sure, but who was he talking about?
No, not just the money changers.
They were just symbolic of what he was protesting.
Expand your thinking. What was going on?
Quote Him, and once you do, you have the answer.
"12Then Jesus entered the temple and drove out all who were selling
and buying in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money
changers and the seats of those who sold doves. 13 He said to them,
“It is written,
‘My house shall be called a house of prayer’;
but you are making it a den of robbers.”
OK. Now who was he was calling robbers?
Who was being robbed and how?
## The Bible is a book that has been read more,
## and examined less, than any book that ever existed.
Thomas Paine
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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27 Apr 2005 04:34:33 PM |
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"John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:06:33 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
He stated His reason, read the text.
Sure, but who was he talking about?
No, not just the money changers.
They were just symbolic of what he was protesting.
Expand your thinking. What was going on?
Quote Him, and once you do, you have the answer.
"12Then Jesus entered the temple and drove out all who were selling
and buying in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money
changers and the seats of those who sold doves. 13 He said to them,
"It is written,
'My house shall be called a house of prayer';
but you are making it a den of robbers."
OK. Now who was he was calling robbers?
The money changers, and they who sold livestock, whose tables, and seats
were over turned, as the text should make clear to anyone able to read.
The purpose of changing money was to exchange the temple money for the
livestock to be sacrificed. God had instituted money for Israel, for the
purpose of making it easier than herding their livestock all the way to the
temple, better to sell the stock (before leaving their hometowns), and bring
the money from the sale, to buy fresh livestock in Jerusalem.
Now IF their money could not buy the number and quality of livestock sold,
in part because the money changers devalued the peoples' money in relation
to the temple accepted coinage, and then by they who sold the livestock by
selling at a much higher than the going price elsewhere, they were being
robbed.
Who was being robbed and how?
The people who came to give sacrifices, of course. (one has to wonder why
John couldn't tell all of this from the text itself--- I thought it was
touted that atheists were somehow 'smarter' than theists, but I guess such
isn't really true !)
## The Bible is a book that has been read more,
## and examined less, than any book that ever existed.
Thomas Paine
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| User: "Lapece" |
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02 May 2005 07:06:56 PM |
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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"John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:06:33 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
He stated His reason, read the text.
Sure, but who was he talking about?
No, not just the money changers.
They were just symbolic of what he was protesting.
Expand your thinking. What was going on?
Quote Him, and once you do, you have the answer.
"12Then Jesus entered the temple and drove out all who were selling
and buying in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money
changers and the seats of those who sold doves. 13 He said to them,
"It is written,
'My house shall be called a house of prayer';
but you are making it a den of robbers."
OK. Now who was he was calling robbers?
The money changers, and they who sold livestock, whose tables, and seats
were over turned, as the text should make clear to anyone able to read.
The purpose of changing money was to exchange the temple money for the
livestock to be sacrificed. God had instituted money for Israel, for the
purpose of making it easier than herding their livestock all the way to
the
temple, better to sell the stock (before leaving their hometowns), and
bring
the money from the sale, to buy fresh livestock in Jerusalem.
Now IF their money could not buy the number and quality of livestock sold,
in part because the money changers devalued the peoples' money in relation
to the temple accepted coinage, and then by they who sold the livestock by
selling at a much higher than the going price elsewhere, they were being
robbed.
Who was being robbed and how?
The people who came to give sacrifices, of course. (one has to wonder why
John couldn't tell all of this from the text itself--- I thought it was
touted that atheists were somehow 'smarter' than theists, but I guess such
isn't really true !)
## The Bible is a book that has been read more,
## and examined less, than any book that ever existed.
Thomas Paine
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| User: "John Ings" |
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27 Apr 2005 05:46:39 PM |
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:34:33 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
He stated His reason, read the text.
Sure, but who was he talking about?
No, not just the money changers.
They were just symbolic of what he was protesting.
Expand your thinking. What was going on?
Quote Him, and once you do, you have the answer.
"12Then Jesus entered the temple and drove out all who were selling
and buying in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money
changers and the seats of those who sold doves. 13 He said to them,
"It is written,
'My house shall be called a house of prayer';
but you are making it a den of robbers."
OK. Now who was he was calling robbers?
The money changers, and they who sold livestock,
That's all?
whose tables, and seats
were over turned, as the text should make clear to anyone able to read.
The purpose of changing money was to exchange the temple money for the
livestock to be sacrificed.
Huh? No way. Only the temple tax had to be in specific coin. You could
pay for your livestock with any kind of cash because you were buying
it either from a local farmer or a stock speculator.
God had instituted money for Israel, for the
purpose of making it easier than herding their livestock all the way to the
temple, better to sell the stock (before leaving their hometowns), and bring
the money from the sale, to buy fresh livestock in Jerusalem.
No special money was instituted for that, only for the Temple Tax.
Now IF their money could not buy the number and quality of livestock sold,
in part because the money changers devalued the peoples' money in relation
to the temple accepted coinage, and then by they who sold the livestock by
selling at a much higher than the going price elsewhere, they were being
robbed.
You're on the right track, but a long way short. What else was being
priced unreasonably high?
Who was being robbed and how?
The people who came to give sacrifices, of course.
Yes. Now why were they vulnerable?
(one has to wonder why
John couldn't tell all of this from the text itself--- I thought it was
touted that atheists were somehow 'smarter' than theists, but I guess such
isn't really true !)
Since you haven't looked all the way into the issue, that statement
makes you look like the usual pious fool who thinks all the answers
are in the Bible and who never looks at the political and social
milieu of the century in which it was written.
Hint: There were more Jews living in the widespread Roman empire
(8 million) than there were in Judea (2.5 million). Now if somebody
paid for passage on a ship from Rome to get to Jerusalem on a
pilgrimage, would the exchange rate on a half-shekel Temple tax bother
him much? Heck, he would probably already have the proper coin in
hand, obtained in Rome at a good exchange rate, since he had to pay
that tax into his local synagog annually anyway.
Now he was being ripped off by high prices for sacrificial animals.
What else?
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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| Title: Re: What would Jesus do? |
04 May 2005 02:53:23 PM |
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You can read more into than you need to, if you wish... have fun !
"John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
news:d13071tc5qbukg9of6jd86ae4mh5naqton@4ax.com...
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:34:33 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
He stated His reason, read the text.
Sure, but who was he talking about?
No, not just the money changers.
They were just symbolic of what he was protesting.
Expand your thinking. What was going on?
Quote Him, and once you do, you have the answer.
"12Then Jesus entered the temple and drove out all who were selling
and buying in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money
changers and the seats of those who sold doves. 13 He said to them,
"It is written,
'My house shall be called a house of prayer';
but you are making it a den of robbers."
OK. Now who was he was calling robbers?
The money changers, and they who sold livestock,
That's all?
whose tables, and seats
were over turned, as the text should make clear to anyone able to read.
The purpose of changing money was to exchange the temple money for the
livestock to be sacrificed.
Huh? No way. Only the temple tax had to be in specific coin. You could
pay for your livestock with any kind of cash because you were buying
it either from a local farmer or a stock speculator.
God had instituted money for Israel, for the
purpose of making it easier than herding their livestock all the way to
the
temple, better to sell the stock (before leaving their hometowns), and
bring
the money from the sale, to buy fresh livestock in Jerusalem.
No special money was instituted for that, only for the Temple Tax.
Now IF their money could not buy the number and quality of livestock sold,
in part because the money changers devalued the peoples' money in relation
to the temple accepted coinage, and then by they who sold the livestock by
selling at a much higher than the going price elsewhere, they were being
robbed.
You're on the right track, but a long way short. What else was being
priced unreasonably high?
Who was being robbed and how?
The people who came to give sacrifices, of course.
Yes. Now why were they vulnerable?
(one has to wonder why
John couldn't tell all of this from the text itself--- I thought it was
touted that atheists were somehow 'smarter' than theists, but I guess such
isn't really true !)
Since you haven't looked all the way into the issue, that statement
makes you look like the usual pious fool who thinks all the answers
are in the Bible and who never looks at the political and social
milieu of the century in which it was written.
Hint: There were more Jews living in the widespread Roman empire
(8 million) than there were in Judea (2.5 million). Now if somebody
paid for passage on a ship from Rome to get to Jerusalem on a
pilgrimage, would the exchange rate on a half-shekel Temple tax bother
him much? Heck, he would probably already have the proper coin in
hand, obtained in Rome at a good exchange rate, since he had to pay
that tax into his local synagog annually anyway.
Now he was being ripped off by high prices for sacrificial animals.
What else?
## FUNDAMENTALISM: Text without context.
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