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"Bill M" |
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24 Dec 2006 01:35:39 PM |
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When was Christ born? |
There is nothing in the Bibles that provides the date of Christ's birth. How
and when was Dec. 25 established as Christ's birthday?
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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| Title: Re: When was Christ born? |
24 Dec 2006 01:51:02 PM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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There is nothing in the Bibles that provides the date of Christ's birth.
How
and when was Dec. 25 established as Christ's birthday?
By the people.
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| User: "BernieM" |
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24 Dec 2006 05:05:08 PM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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There is nothing in the Bibles that provides the date of Christ's birth.
How and when was Dec. 25 established as Christ's birthday?
http://www.christiananswers.net/christmas/mythsaboutchristmas.html
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| User: "ShellStockTrader" |
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25 Dec 2006 11:29:41 AM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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There is nothing in the Bibles that provides the date of Christ's birth.
How and when was Dec. 25 established as Christ's birthday?
Probably the day they said the earth was flat.
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| User: "Brad Filippone" |
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24 Dec 2006 01:52:55 PM |
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Bill M (wmech@bellsouth.net) wrote:
: There is nothing in the Bibles that provides the date of Christ's birth. How
: and when was Dec. 25 established as Christ's birthday?
There had long been, and still is, a pagan celebration on the solstice
(usually December 21). The early Christian church, in its efforts to try
to supplaint everyone and everything non-Christian, put their own holiday
near the date.
A logical examination, it has been said many times, makes the assumption
that December 25th is Jesus' birthday completely fall apart, however.
Mainly the fact that shepherd most certainly did NOT watch their flocks at
night at that time of year!
Brad
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| User: "Bill M" |
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24 Dec 2006 01:59:17 PM |
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"Brad Filippone" <al019@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
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Bill M (wmech@bellsouth.net) wrote:
: There is nothing in the Bibles that provides the date of Christ's birth.
How
: and when was Dec. 25 established as Christ's birthday?
There had long been, and still is, a pagan celebration on the solstice
(usually December 21). The early Christian church, in its efforts to try
to supplaint everyone and everything non-Christian, put their own holiday
near the date.
A logical examination, it has been said many times, makes the assumption
that December 25th is Jesus' birthday completely fall apart, however.
Mainly the fact that shepherd most certainly did NOT watch their flocks at
night at that time of year!
Brad
Is Christianity based mo more myths like this?
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| User: "H Dickmann" |
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24 Dec 2006 08:45:50 PM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Brad Filippone" <al019@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
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Bill M (wmech@bellsouth.net) wrote:
: There is nothing in the Bibles that provides the date of Christ's
birth. How
: and when was Dec. 25 established as Christ's birthday?
There had long been, and still is, a pagan celebration on the solstice
(usually December 21). The early Christian church, in its efforts to try
to supplaint everyone and everything non-Christian, put their own holiday
near the date.
A logical examination, it has been said many times, makes the assumption
that December 25th is Jesus' birthday completely fall apart, however.
Mainly the fact that shepherd most certainly did NOT watch their flocks
at
night at that time of year!
Brad
Is Christianity based mo more myths like this?
We celebrate the birth of Christ, not the day.
As we don't know the day, we could celebrate His birthday on any day we
want, but if everyone would chose a different day, it would cause confusion.
Therefore we have set aside one day of the year when we celebrate His
Birthday.
Catholics celebrate Christ's Mass every day of the year.
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| User: "Brad Filippone" |
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26 Dec 2006 07:27:43 AM |
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H Dickmann (HERPEM@bigpond.com) wrote:
: "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
: news:g_Ajh.10332$h_1.1765@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
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: > "Brad Filippone" <al019@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
: > news:emmlqn$mkp$1@Kil-nws-1.UCIS.Dal.Ca...
: >> Bill M (wmech@bellsouth.net) wrote:
: >> : There is nothing in the Bibles that provides the date of Christ's
: >> birth. How
: >> : and when was Dec. 25 established as Christ's birthday?
: >>
: >> There had long been, and still is, a pagan celebration on the solstice
: >> (usually December 21). The early Christian church, in its efforts to try
: >> to supplaint everyone and everything non-Christian, put their own holiday
: >> near the date.
: >>
: >> A logical examination, it has been said many times, makes the assumption
: >> that December 25th is Jesus' birthday completely fall apart, however.
: >> Mainly the fact that shepherd most certainly did NOT watch their flocks
: >> at
: >> night at that time of year!
: >>
: >> Brad
: >
: > Is Christianity based mo more myths like this?
: We celebrate the birth of Christ, not the day.
: As we don't know the day, we could celebrate His birthday on any day we
: want, but if everyone would chose a different day, it would cause confusion.
: Therefore we have set aside one day of the year when we celebrate His
: Birthday.
: Catholics celebrate Christ's Mass every day of the year.
Okay, this makes sense. But why not make the date closer to the probably
time of his birth? Okay, perhaps that would be confusing, since Easter is
around that same time, and might even land on the same day!
Brad
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| User: "bob young" |
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26 Dec 2006 11:29:18 PM |
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Brad Filippone wrote:
H Dickmann (HERPEM@bigpond.com) wrote:
: "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
: news:g_Ajh.10332$h_1.1765@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
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: > "Brad Filippone" <al019@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
: > news:emmlqn$mkp$1@Kil-nws-1.UCIS.Dal.Ca...
: >> Bill M (wmech@bellsouth.net) wrote:
: >> : There is nothing in the Bibles that provides the date of Christ's
: >> birth. How
: >> : and when was Dec. 25 established as Christ's birthday?
: >>
: >> There had long been, and still is, a pagan celebration on the solstice
: >> (usually December 21). The early Christian church, in its efforts to try
: >> to supplaint everyone and everything non-Christian, put their own holiday
: >> near the date.
: >>
: >> A logical examination, it has been said many times, makes the assumption
: >> that December 25th is Jesus' birthday completely fall apart, however.
: >> Mainly the fact that shepherd most certainly did NOT watch their flocks
: >> at
: >> night at that time of year!
: >>
: >> Brad
: >
: > Is Christianity based mo more myths like this?
: We celebrate the birth of Christ, not the day.
: As we don't know the day, we could celebrate His birthday on any day we
: want, but if everyone would chose a different day, it would cause confusion.
: Therefore we have set aside one day of the year when we celebrate His
: Birthday.
: Catholics celebrate Christ's Mass every day of the year.
Okay, this makes sense. But why not make the date closer to the probably
time of his birth? Okay, perhaps that would be confusing, since Easter is
around that same time, and might even land on the same day!
Brad
I reckon Jesus was probably created something like along these lines:
[Menam, a Priest, is talking with his buddies in the temple.
ÒBrothers the flock are restless and I'm tired of them asking me 'Where is the
god you want us to pray to', they keep insisting on seeing him"
Rastus, [another priest]:
"I have the same problem, it's getting me down, they keep saying 'Where is he,
produce him'. You know the Vishnus down the road have a wooden god in a hut for
everyone to see and more and more people are going there to pray these daysÓ
Influx [The Senior Priest]:
"Listen, let's invite that fella Jesus to join us, he is popular and he preaches
well. We'll say he is god's sonÓ.
Rastus. [Laughing]
ÒDon't be silly, how can we say that, he's just a preacher and gods don't send
their sons down to earth. How do we say he got here?Ó
Influx. [Thinks]
ÒWell we can tell them 'e was borne of a virgin. [scratches head] I'm sure we can
find one somewhere, if we look hard enough.
Rastus.
That won't be any use, when 'e dies we'll have to start all over and find another
'son of a god' and anyway, they are not going to buy that yarn of yours a second
time over!
Influx. [grins]
Aaah but listen. [Chuckles] When 'e dies we'll hide him away in a cave, steal the
body in the middle of the night and then, listen to this, your gonna love this,
[nudges Rastus in the ribs] and then [hee hee] we'll tell 'em he floated slowly
up into the sky to heaven just above the clouds [raises arms and makes floating
motions] and he now sits up there on the right hand of god.
Fellas we'll have 'em in the palm of our hands for eternity.
[All priests together]:
"spontaneous cheeringÓ.
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| User: "jane abraham" |
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30 Dec 2006 07:50:50 AM |
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H Dickmann wrote:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Brad Filippone" <al019@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
news:emmlqn$mkp$1@Kil-nws-1.UCIS.Dal.Ca...
Bill M (wmech@bellsouth.net) wrote:
: There is nothing in the Bibles that provides the date of Christ's
birth. How
: and when was Dec. 25 established as Christ's birthday?
There had long been, and still is, a pagan celebration on the solstice
(usually December 21). The early Christian church, in its efforts to try
to supplaint everyone and everything non-Christian, put their own holiday
near the date.
A logical examination, it has been said many times, makes the assumption
that December 25th is Jesus' birthday completely fall apart, however.
Mainly the fact that shepherd most certainly did NOT watch their flocks
at
night at that time of year!
Brad
Is Christianity based mo more myths like this?
We celebrate the birth of Christ, not the day.
As we don't know the day, we could celebrate His birthday on any day we
want, but if everyone would chose a different day, it would cause confusion.
Christian don't even know an important date. The birth date of Jesus.
So there must be alot of other important informations by Jesus which
were missed or not properly recorded. Christians even cannot agree
whether there is One God or three.God or three in one.
I am so pity to my Christian friends
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| User: "Andrew W" |
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30 Dec 2006 08:00:20 PM |
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"jane abraham" <arah1958@gmail.com> wrote in message
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H Dickmann wrote:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:g_Ajh.10332$h_1.1765@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
"Brad Filippone" <al019@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
news:emmlqn$mkp$1@Kil-nws-1.UCIS.Dal.Ca...
Bill M (wmech@bellsouth.net) wrote:
: There is nothing in the Bibles that provides the date of Christ's
birth. How
: and when was Dec. 25 established as Christ's birthday?
There had long been, and still is, a pagan celebration on the solstice
(usually December 21). The early Christian church, in its efforts to
try
to supplaint everyone and everything non-Christian, put their own
holiday
near the date.
A logical examination, it has been said many times, makes the
assumption
that December 25th is Jesus' birthday completely fall apart, however.
Mainly the fact that shepherd most certainly did NOT watch their
flocks
at
night at that time of year!
Brad
Is Christianity based mo more myths like this?
We celebrate the birth of Christ, not the day.
As we don't know the day, we could celebrate His birthday on any day we
want, but if everyone would chose a different day, it would cause
confusion.
Christian don't even know an important date. The birth date of Jesus.
So there must be alot of other important informations by Jesus which
were missed or not properly recorded. Christians even cannot agree
whether there is One God or three.God or three in one.
Do you know what God is?
What is God?
I am so pity to my Christian friends
If you have Christian friends then they are friends indeed.
--
Andrew W.
All religions rest on the patently illogical, un-provable premise that "what
this book says is true because the book says it's true". That,
unfortunately, is the best that religion has, and ever can offer, as a way
of proving it's God/divine authorship premise, an embarrassingly paltry,
painfully childish claim that would be laughed out of any court, as
well as any credible institution of higher learning.
~ Michael Horn
What we are told God and Jesus said, they did not say.
http://www.divinelove.org/volume1/Mission.htm
TABLE OF CONTENTS. Must read!
http://www.divinelove.org/revnt/Rev-TOC-title.htm
The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich
Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm
Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!
http://www.fipdata.org/index.html
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "bob young" |
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31 Dec 2006 05:13:30 AM |
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Andrew W wrote:
"jane abraham" <arah1958@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167486650.409435.184730@k21g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
H Dickmann wrote:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:g_Ajh.10332$h_1.1765@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
"Brad Filippone" <al019@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
news:emmlqn$mkp$1@Kil-nws-1.UCIS.Dal.Ca...
Bill M (wmech@bellsouth.net) wrote:
: There is nothing in the Bibles that provides the date of Christ's
birth. How
: and when was Dec. 25 established as Christ's birthday?
There had long been, and still is, a pagan celebration on the solstice
(usually December 21). The early Christian church, in its efforts to
try
to supplaint everyone and everything non-Christian, put their own
holiday
near the date.
A logical examination, it has been said many times, makes the
assumption
that December 25th is Jesus' birthday completely fall apart, however.
Mainly the fact that shepherd most certainly did NOT watch their
flocks
at
night at that time of year!
Brad
Is Christianity based mo more myths like this?
We celebrate the birth of Christ, not the day.
As we don't know the day, we could celebrate His birthday on any day we
want, but if everyone would chose a different day, it would cause
confusion.
Christian don't even know an important date. The birth date of Jesus.
So there must be alot of other important informations by Jesus which
were missed or not properly recorded. Christians even cannot agree
whether there is One God or three.God or three in one.
Do you know what God is?
What is God?
VPR [very poor response]
I am so pity to my Christian friends
If you have Christian friends then they are friends indeed.
VPR
I think religion is so popular because even the village idiot can feel like
Einstein without any effort. -
[Denis Loubet]
Bob
--
Andrew W.
All religions rest on the patently illogical, un-provable premise that "what
this book says is true because the book says it's true". That,
unfortunately, is the best that religion has, and ever can offer, as a way
of proving it's God/divine authorship premise, an embarrassingly paltry,
painfully childish claim that would be laughed out of any court, as
well as any credible institution of higher learning.
~ Michael Horn
What we are told God and Jesus said, they did not say.
http://www.divinelove.org/volume1/Mission.htm
TABLE OF CONTENTS. Must read!
http://www.divinelove.org/revnt/Rev-TOC-title.htm
The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich
Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm
Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!
http://www.fipdata.org/index.html
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "bob young" |
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31 Dec 2006 05:07:40 AM |
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jane abraham wrote:
H Dickmann wrote:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Brad Filippone" <al019@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
news:emmlqn$mkp$1@Kil-nws-1.UCIS.Dal.Ca...
Bill M (wmech@bellsouth.net) wrote:
: There is nothing in the Bibles that provides the date of Christ's
birth. How
: and when was Dec. 25 established as Christ's birthday?
There had long been, and still is, a pagan celebration on the solstice
(usually December 21). The early Christian church, in its efforts to try
to supplaint everyone and everything non-Christian, put their own holiday
near the date.
A logical examination, it has been said many times, makes the assumption
that December 25th is Jesus' birthday completely fall apart, however.
Mainly the fact that shepherd most certainly did NOT watch their flocks
at
night at that time of year!
Brad
Is Christianity based mo more myths like this?
We celebrate the birth of Christ, not the day.
As we don't know the day, we could celebrate His birthday on any day we
want, but if everyone would chose a different day, it would cause confusion.
Christian don't even know an important date. The birth date of Jesus.
So there must be alot of other important informations by Jesus which
were missed or not properly recorded. Christians even cannot agree
whether there is One God or three.God or three in one.
I am so pity to my Christian friends
They have nothing on 'His' first twenty years from the cradle either.
The son of a god that created everything lives in obscurity
for all of his most formative years !!
What a joke !
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| User: "Harry K" |
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25 Dec 2006 10:21:29 PM |
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Bill M wrote:
"Brad Filippone" <al019@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
news:emmlqn$mkp$1@Kil-nws-1.UCIS.Dal.Ca...
Bill M (wmech@bellsouth.net) wrote:
: There is nothing in the Bibles that provides the date of Christ's birth.
How
: and when was Dec. 25 established as Christ's birthday?
There had long been, and still is, a pagan celebration on the solstice
(usually December 21). The early Christian church, in its efforts to try
to supplaint everyone and everything non-Christian, put their own holiday
near the date.
A logical examination, it has been said many times, makes the assumption
that December 25th is Jesus' birthday completely fall apart, however.
Mainly the fact that shepherd most certainly did NOT watch their flocks at
night at that time of year!
Brad
Is Christianity based mo more myths like this?
Yep. It begins with teh biggest one of all. That Jesus even existed.
There is no documented evidence that he ever lived.
Harry K
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| User: "Martin Willett" |
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26 Dec 2006 01:20:39 PM |
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Bill M wrote:
"Brad Filippone" <al019@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
news:emmlqn$mkp$1@Kil-nws-1.UCIS.Dal.Ca...
Bill M (wmech@bellsouth.net) wrote:
: There is nothing in the Bibles that provides the date of Christ's birth.
How
: and when was Dec. 25 established as Christ's birthday?
There had long been, and still is, a pagan celebration on the solstice
(usually December 21). The early Christian church, in its efforts to try
to supplaint everyone and everything non-Christian, put their own holiday
near the date.
A logical examination, it has been said many times, makes the assumption
that December 25th is Jesus' birthday completely fall apart, however.
Mainly the fact that shepherd most certainly did NOT watch their flocks at
night at that time of year!
Brad
Is Christianity based mo more myths like this?
The entire edifice is a myth, and transparently so. You only have to
allow yourself your usual sceptical observer's toolkit, you know,
intellectual tools you use on statements your boss, or Osama Bin Laden
or the politicians or political commentators you love to hate make, or
indeed the scepticism you already use on religions you don't want to
believe in.
Faith gives ***** a Teflon coating and a diamond-hard shine. You just
have to allow your brain not to kick in with the ready-made platitudes
and be ready as it slams those guilt torpedoes into your kidneys when
you do.
If you look at your own religion as if it was the religion of some
foreign and/or long-dead fools you will see a lot more there than you
have ever noticed before. The ancient Hebrews (not your tribe I'll bet)
had ancient tribal myths which look similar to tribal myths of other
tribes and yet they are all fundamentally incompatible as all claim on
the basis of simply being the statements of the revered ancestors, to be
true. You are aren't even being cowed by your own ancestors, who the
church has taught you to revile as nasty heathens. How sad is that? Your
church has stolen your culture and taught you to despise it and honour
one that is just as nasty and bloodthirsty and mistaken but is foreign.
The tribes that the Christian Church has managed to thoroughly stomp on
have childish myths nobody takes seriously, tribal myths of tribes the
Church hasn't managed to crush apparently have to be given lip service
and you have to pretend they are really worshipping the same same god,
even if they worship one with a lot more bodies and arms than the one
you're used to.
Anybody who fancies himself as a Christian scholar owes it to himself to
study the religious ideas of Europe and the Middle East in the time
since Alexander, to see Christianity in context rather than to assume
that the rest of the world was full of savages. Seen in that context
Christianity looks like an apple tree in a fruit orchard whereas the
church would like you to see it as an apple tree in a thorn thicket.
That whole Hellenic world was awash with godmen who were born of
virgins, did miracles, told parables, cured lepers, raised the dead,
told stories of catching great hauls of fish whose numbers were
significant to those with eyes to see and ears to hear. These godmen
redeemed the world by their unjustified persecution and deaths, visited
and returned from the underworld and were followed by people who ate
symbolic meals of bread and wine and baptised each other with water and
wind or sometimes fire. Of course the main difference is that in most of
the religions of that time only the rubes were expected to believe the
stories were literally true. The priests and the inner circle were much
too smart for this. They had ears to hear and eyes to see. The Roman
Church burned away whatever inner mysteries Christianity had developed
in its first few centuries. Burned away as in burned the books and the
authors and the readers and those who passed by a little too slowly and
might have heard something that might have been profound, but probably
wasn't.
Seek out information for yourself. Read book about this period. Finding
fair-minded authors who are interested in this period is rare, most are
obsessed with proving Christianity right or wrong, but a few can be
found that are impartial enough to be worth reading. The trick is to
research what else they write about, if they only write about issues
directly connected with Christianity and/or Judaism you should dismiss
them as likely to be biased. People with fair and enquiring minds would
also show an interest in the other cultures and religions of the time.
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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27 Dec 2006 03:50:55 PM |
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"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:4vdb01F1b83gtU1@mid.individual.net...
Seek out information for yourself. Read book about this period. Finding
fair-minded authors who are interested in this period is rare, most are
obsessed with proving Christianity right or wrong, but a few can be found
that are impartial enough to be worth reading. The trick is to research
what else they write about, if they only write about issues directly
connected with Christianity and/or Judaism you should dismiss them as
likely to be biased. People with fair and enquiring minds would also show
an interest in the other cultures and religions of the time.
I have checked out pretty well all major religions in the world's
supermarket of ideas / ideals and made my choice. To understand Jesus Christ
was the most challenging of all, but also the most rewarding.
Did you check out all the major religions of the world yet and made a
choice? Or is making no choice, or just adopting a ready-made belief system,
or rather disbelief system, your solution?
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Bill M" |
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28 Dec 2006 07:39:05 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
news:4593c13c$0$15484$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:4vdb01F1b83gtU1@mid.individual.net...
Seek out information for yourself. Read book about this period. Finding
fair-minded authors who are interested in this period is rare, most are
obsessed with proving Christianity right or wrong, but a few can be found
that are impartial enough to be worth reading. The trick is to research
what else they write about, if they only write about issues directly
connected with Christianity and/or Judaism you should dismiss them as
likely to be biased. People with fair and enquiring minds would also show
an interest in the other cultures and religions of the time.
I have checked out pretty well all major religions in the world's
supermarket of ideas / ideals and made my choice. To understand Jesus
Christ
was the most challenging of all, but also the most rewarding.
Did you check out all the major religions of the world yet and made a
choice? Or is making no choice, or just adopting a ready-made belief
system,
or rather disbelief system, your solution?
Still playing dodgem Frank???
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30 Dec 2006 06:09:10 PM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Seek out information for yourself. Read book about this period. Finding
fair-minded authors who are interested in this period is rare, most are
obsessed with proving Christianity right or wrong, but a few can be
found
that are impartial enough to be worth reading. The trick is to research
what else they write about, if they only write about issues directly
connected with Christianity and/or Judaism you should dismiss them as
likely to be biased. People with fair and enquiring minds would also
show
an interest in the other cultures and religions of the time.
I have checked out pretty well all major religions in the world's
supermarket of ideas / ideals and made my choice. To understand Jesus
Christ
was the most challenging of all, but also the most rewarding.
Did you check out all the major religions of the world yet and made a
choice? Or is making no choice, or just adopting a ready-made belief
system, or rather disbelief system, your solution?
Still playing dodgem Frank???
You most likely never studied ANY religions, nor made any choice, and we
see you refusing to answer any questions, ..most likely because answering
would evidence your ignorance. We know, that not answering question
is another important command in your atheist doctrine.
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| User: "bob young" |
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04 Jan 2007 12:04:01 AM |
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Bill M wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:4vdb01F1b83gtU1@mid.individual.net...
Seek out information for yourself. Read book about this period. Finding
fair-minded authors who are interested in this period is rare, most are
obsessed with proving Christianity right or wrong, but a few can be found
that are impartial enough to be worth reading. The trick is to research
what else they write about, if they only write about issues directly
connected with Christianity and/or Judaism you should dismiss them as
likely to be biased. People with fair and enquiring minds would also show
an interest in the other cultures and religions of the time.
I have checked out pretty well all major religions in the world's
supermarket of ideas / ideals and made my choice. To understand Jesus
Christ
was the most challenging of all, but also the most rewarding.
Did you check out all the major religions of the world yet and made a
choice? Or is making no choice, or just adopting a ready-made belief
system,
or rather disbelief system, your solution?
Still playing dodgem Frank???
He has little choice - either that or it's 'up the staircase to jump off a tall
building'.
"Don't do it Frank, life is great without imaginary things getting in the way"
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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04 Jan 2007 12:56:47 PM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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Bill M wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
news:4593c13c$0$15484$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:4vdb01F1b83gtU1@mid.individual.net...
Seek out information for yourself. Read book about this period.
Finding
fair-minded authors who are interested in this period is rare, most
are
obsessed with proving Christianity right or wrong, but a few can be
found
that are impartial enough to be worth reading. The trick is to
research
what else they write about, if they only write about issues directly
connected with Christianity and/or Judaism you should dismiss them as
likely to be biased. People with fair and enquiring minds would also
show
an interest in the other cultures and religions of the time.
I have checked out pretty well all major religions in the world's
supermarket of ideas / ideals and made my choice. To understand Jesus
Christ
was the most challenging of all, but also the most rewarding.
Did you check out all the major religions of the world yet and made
a
choice? Or is making no choice, or just adopting a ready-made belief
system,
or rather disbelief system, your solution?
Still playing dodgem Frank???
He has little choice - either that or it's 'up the staircase to jump off a
tall
building'.
"Don't do it Frank, life is great without imaginary things getting in the
way"
So believing in no one and nothing if YOUR solution. Are you
proselytizing that?
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| User: "bob young" |
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04 Jan 2007 09:57:12 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:459C986E.DE666C5E@netvigator.com...
Bill M wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
news:4593c13c$0$15484$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:4vdb01F1b83gtU1@mid.individual.net...
Seek out information for yourself. Read book about this period.
Finding
fair-minded authors who are interested in this period is rare, most
are
obsessed with proving Christianity right or wrong, but a few can be
found
that are impartial enough to be worth reading. The trick is to
research
what else they write about, if they only write about issues directly
connected with Christianity and/or Judaism you should dismiss them as
likely to be biased. People with fair and enquiring minds would also
show
an interest in the other cultures and religions of the time.
I have checked out pretty well all major religions in the world's
supermarket of ideas / ideals and made my choice. To understand Jesus
Christ
was the most challenging of all, but also the most rewarding.
Did you check out all the major religions of the world yet and made
a
choice? Or is making no choice, or just adopting a ready-made belief
system,
or rather disbelief system, your solution?
Still playing dodgem Frank???
He has little choice - either that or it's 'up the staircase to jump off a
tall
building'.
"Don't do it Frank, life is great without imaginary things getting in the
way"
So believing in no one and nothing if YOUR solution. Are you
proselytizing that?
I believe in fair play, decency to others, freedom from racial discrimination,
I 'hope' sanity will prevail in The Middle East one day an that wars will
become a thing of the past.
Looking back at history i am not very hopeful, especially now that nuclear
weapons are becoming easier for third world states to come by.
I remember the case of that lone russian during the cold war, he was in charge
of their missile tracking station. In the middle of the night he got a red
alert that American missiles had been launched. Before banging his hand down
on their response button he felt uneasy so he did some further checks that took
him about fifteen minutes and he discovered it was a false alarm.
I believe he has a free flat to live out his retirement in Moscow now !
Had the roles been reversed maybe the American team would have not delayed
responding.
Had they not delayed it would have been a different world today.
We can assume the American team were Christians. I don't know about the
Russian - the report did not mention his religious beliefs, we do know however
that he was a humanitarian who does not deserve to live in obscurity.
I believe in the protection of all living things, a bit like a Buddhist, but as
i have told you before I could never qualify to join their ranks.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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05 Jan 2007 05:51:15 AM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:459DCC37.B22B5AE1@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:459C986E.DE666C5E@netvigator.com...
Bill M wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
news:4593c13c$0$15484$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:4vdb01F1b83gtU1@mid.individual.net...
Seek out information for yourself. Read book about this period.
Finding
fair-minded authors who are interested in this period is rare, most
are
obsessed with proving Christianity right or wrong, but a few can be
found
that are impartial enough to be worth reading. The trick is to
research
what else they write about, if they only write about issues
directly
connected with Christianity and/or Judaism you should dismiss them
as
likely to be biased. People with fair and enquiring minds would
also
show
an interest in the other cultures and religions of the time.
I have checked out pretty well all major religions in the world's
supermarket of ideas / ideals and made my choice. To understand
Jesus
Christ
was the most challenging of all, but also the most rewarding.
Did you check out all the major religions of the world yet and
made
a
choice? Or is making no choice, or just adopting a ready-made belief
system,
or rather disbelief system, your solution?
Still playing dodgem Frank???
He has little choice - either that or it's 'up the staircase to jump
off a
tall building'.
"Don't do it Frank, life is great without imaginary things getting in
the
way"
So believing in no one and nothing if YOUR solution. Are you
proselytizing that?
I believe in fair play, decency to others, freedom from racial
discrimination,
I 'hope' sanity will prevail in The Middle East one day an that wars will
become a thing of the past.
All those Jesus Christ advocates, yet you are against Jesus who gave His
life to promote those virtues, whereas you just sit there safely trashing
and flaming anyone who believes in the same virtues you do.
What's the matter with you Bob? Are you jealous of others who perhaps
succeed where you fail? That is hypocritical to say the least. Have you no
shame Bob?
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: When was Christ born? |
10 Jan 2007 11:37:05 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:459DCC37.B22B5AE1@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:459C986E.DE666C5E@netvigator.com...
Bill M wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
news:4593c13c$0$15484$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:4vdb01F1b83gtU1@mid.individual.net...
Seek out information for yourself. Read book about this period.
Finding
fair-minded authors who are interested in this period is rare, most
are
obsessed with proving Christianity right or wrong, but a few can be
found
that are impartial enough to be worth reading. The trick is to
research
what else they write about, if they only write about issues
directly
connected with Christianity and/or Judaism you should dismiss them
as
likely to be biased. People with fair and enquiring minds would
also
show
an interest in the other cultures and religions of the time.
I have checked out pretty well all major religions in the world's
supermarket of ideas / ideals and made my choice. To understand
Jesus
Christ
was the most challenging of all, but also the most rewarding.
Did you check out all the major religions of the world yet and
made
a
choice? Or is making no choice, or just adopting a ready-made belief
system,
or rather disbelief system, your solution?
Still playing dodgem Frank???
He has little choice - either that or it's 'up the staircase to jump
off a
tall building'.
"Don't do it Frank, life is great without imaginary things getting in
the
way"
So believing in no one and nothing if YOUR solution. Are you
proselytizing that?
I believe in fair play, decency to others, freedom from racial
discrimination,
I 'hope' sanity will prevail in The Middle East one day an that wars will
become a thing of the past.
All those Jesus Christ advocates, yet you are against Jesus
No, to me myths are something to joke about for a couple of seconds
and then move on to something more meaningful
try it some time
who gave His
life to promote those virtues, whereas you just sit there safely trashing
and flaming anyone who believes in the same virtues you do.
so the myth claims, as it suited the prophets of the time,
but i have told you before what I think of prophets.
What's the matter with you Bob? Are you jealous of others who perhaps
succeed where you fail?
Arrogance, you have no idea at all re my success, failure ot otherwise,
yet you have the gall to trash atheists.
Get some principals and ideals yourself before you write sick lies based on
'nothing'
...............and you people wonder why there are atheists !!! Groan
That is hypocritical to say the least. Have you no
shame Bob?
See above [principals]
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| User: "Padraic Brown" |
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24 Dec 2006 05:54:38 PM |
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On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 14:59:17 -0500, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
"Brad Filippone" <al019@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
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Bill M (wmech@bellsouth.net) wrote:
: There is nothing in the Bibles that provides the date of Christ's birth.
How
: and when was Dec. 25 established as Christ's birthday?
There had long been, and still is, a pagan celebration on the solstice
(usually December 21). The early Christian church, in its efforts to try
to supplaint everyone and everything non-Christian, put their own holiday
near the date.
A logical examination, it has been said many times, makes the assumption
that December 25th is Jesus' birthday completely fall apart, however.
Mainly the fact that shepherd most certainly did NOT watch their flocks at
night at that time of year!
Brad
Is Christianity based mo more myths like this?
Yes. Don't fear the truth of religious accretion!
Padraic.
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| User: "The Nolalu Barn Owl gordie@nolalu.on.ca" |
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24 Dec 2006 09:53:05 PM |
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On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 14:59:17 -0500, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
A logical examination, it has been said many times, makes the assumption
that December 25th is Jesus' birthday completely fall apart, however.
Mainly the fact that shepherd most certainly did NOT watch their flocks at
night at that time of year!
Brad
Is Christianity based mo more myths like this?
Christianity is not based on the date of Christmas.
-
Gordie
"These great miracles are God's testimony to the truth of the Catholic faith.
He has not so testified to the truth of any other religion."
SAINTS WHO RAISED THE DEAD,
True Stories of 400 Resurrection Miracles,
TAN Books By Fr. Albert J. Hebert, S.M.
ISBN 0-89555-798-3
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| User: "bob young" |
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24 Dec 2006 10:42:03 PM |
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Brad Filippone wrote:
Bill M (wmech@bellsouth.net) wrote:
: There is nothing in the Bibles that provides the date of Christ's birth. How
: and when was Dec. 25 established as Christ's birthday?
There had long been, and still is, a pagan celebration on the solstice
(usually December 21). The early Christian church, in its efforts to try
to supplaint everyone and everything non-Christian, put their own holiday
near the date.
A logical examination, it has been said many times, makes the assumption
that December 25th is Jesus' birthday completely fall apart, however.
Mainly the fact that shepherd most certainly did NOT watch their flocks at
night at that time of year!
Brad
Naaaaa 'He' was borne something like this:
[Menam, a Priest, is talking with his buddies in the temple.
ÒBrothers the flock are restless and I'm tired of them asking me 'Where is the
god you want us to pray to', they keep insisting on seeing him"
Rastus, [another priest]:
"I have the same problem, it's getting me down, they keep saying 'Where is he,
produce him'. You know the Vishnus down the road have a wooden god in a hut for
everyone to see and more and more people are going there to pray these daysÓ
Influx [The Senior Priest]:
"Listen, let's invite that fella Jesus to join us, he is popular and he preaches
well. We'll say he is god's sonÓ.
Rastus. [Laughing]
ÒDon't be silly, how can we say that, he's just a preacher and gods don't send
their sons down to earth. How do we say he got here?Ó
Influx. [Thinks]
ÒWell we can tell them 'e was borne of a virgin. [scratches head] I'm sure we can
find one somewhere, if we look hard enough.
Rastus.
That won't be any use, when 'e dies we'll have to start all over and find another
'son of a god' and anyway, they are not going to buy that yarn of yours a second
time over!
Influx. [grins]
Aaah but listen. [Chuckles] When 'e dies we'll hide him away in a cave, steal the
body in the middle of the night and then, listen to this, your gonna love this,
[nudges Rastus in the ribs] and then [hee hee] we'll tell 'em he floated
slooooowly up into the sky to heaven just above the clouds [raises arms and makes
floating motions] and he now sits up there on the right hand of god.
Fellas we'll have 'em in the palm of our hands for eternity.
[All priests together]:
"spontaneous cheeringÓ.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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24 Dec 2006 06:10:00 PM |
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Never.
CHRIST(OS) is just a new name the Pauline worshipers gavce to the
ancient dying/rising god-man of the Pagan savior cults. -- L.
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| User: "duke" |
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26 Dec 2006 05:40:28 AM |
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On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 14:35:39 -0500, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
There is nothing in the Bibles that provides the date of Christ's birth. How
and when was Dec. 25 established as Christ's birthday?
From darkness came the new light.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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26 Dec 2006 05:07:14 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 14:35:39 -0500, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
There is nothing in the Bibles that provides the date of Christ's birth.
How
and when was Dec. 25 established as Christ's birthday?
From darkness came the new light.
hmmm, why did the COLD-HEARTED ***** christian god allow there to be
darkness in the first fucking place?
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| User: "duke" |
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27 Dec 2006 05:19:14 PM |
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On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 23:07:14 GMT, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"
<killgod@killgod.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 14:35:39 -0500, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
There is nothing in the Bibles that provides the date of Christ's birth.
How
and when was Dec. 25 established as Christ's birthday?
From darkness came the new light.
hmmm, why did the COLD-HEARTED ***** christian god allow there to be
darkness in the first fucking place?
To give mankind free will. The darkness is sin.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "bob young" |
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27 Dec 2006 10:43:09 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 23:07:14 GMT, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"
<killgod@killgod.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:ng22p29vth3uevpivrhav9v0o41rn0i7qh@4ax.com...
On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 14:35:39 -0500, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
There is nothing in the Bibles that provides the date of Christ's birth.
How
and when was Dec. 25 established as Christ's birthday?
From darkness came the new light.
hmmm, why did the COLD-HEARTED ***** christian god allow there to be
darkness in the first fucking place?
To give mankind free will. The darkness is sin.
And sin is a human attribute hijacked by religionists to further bolster their
con.
I have to wonder, in fact, where you people would be without it !
next
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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