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^^^ Sword of Gideon wrote:

"oldwetdog" <g.aedhea...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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THE AFFLICTION
When modern Rome rises to power, that event will include the use of
nuclear weapons, and will begin the Affliction of God's People. Mat
24:9-14. This is the first half of Daniel's 70th week. Dan 9:27.

THE TRIBULATION
About 3 1/2 years after Modern Rome comes to rule the Modern World,
Satan will proclaim himself to be "God," and will begin to murder
Christians who refuse to worship Him. (2 Thes 2:4, Rev 13:6-15) Those
events will mark the midst of Daniel's 70'th Week. Then, after Three and
a half years of terror, war and destruction, while God pours out the
vials of His Wrath on the Beast's Kingdom, The End will come. Mat
24:29-31.

the preterists also loose because Jesus did NOT say "in the lifetime of
a generation (40 or ...)

On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 07:41:50 GMT, "Cdumo"
<cdumont@telusolanet.net> claimed:

In verse 32 Jesus said learn a parable of the fig tree,
looks like nobody learnt it, you can find it in Jer.24:2-6,
the branch is the tribe of Judah, I will plant them and
not pull them out, that happened in 1948 when the
tribe of Judah became a nation,

That's a claim.

It's public knowledge that the tribe of Judah became
the country of Israel in 1948, do you need documented
proof?

What does that have to do with the Bible? You assume
that your doctrine *IS* the Bible!

in verse 34 Jesus said this generation, referring
to the generation that was born when Judah
became a nation will witness the end of this age,

That's another claim.

I did not make that claim, Jesus did, Jer.24:2-6, Verse 5 I acknowledge
them that are carried away of Judah, whom I have sent out of this place
into
the land of the Chaldeans for there good. verse 6 For I will set mine eyes
upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will
build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck
them up. That did not happen until 1948, and thats when the end times
started.

Actually, that's not true. And Jeremiah doesn't say
that it is Jesus speaking.

according to the
Scriptures the expected life of a man is 70 years, so that means the end
will come on or before 2018, the day or the hour we don't know, but it
will
happen in the fig tree generation.

Yea, we know, we've been hearing these dates for generations.
A biblical generation is 40 years. You lose!

Now you've weaved a nice tale. Too bad you can't support
any of it.

Psalms 90:10, The days of our years are threescore years and ten; thats
seventy years, that is not my claim thats what David claimed, Jesus said
this generation would live to see his second coming, most people who were
born in 1948 are still alive. YOU LOST

The days of our years has nothing to do with
what a generation is. That says how long men
live. It says nothing about what a generation
is. But the Bible does use that word and give
us a time frame for a generation and that time
frame is forty years.


"And your children shall wander in the wilderness
forty years, and bear your whoredoms, until your
carcasses be wasted in the wilderness. After the
number of the days in which ye searched the land,
even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear
your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know
my breach of promise. And the LORD's anger was
kindled against Israel, and he made them wander
in the wilderness forty years, UNTIL ALL THE
GENERATION, that had done evil in the sight of
the LORD, was consumed." - Num 14:33-34; 32:13

Forty days, each day representing one year, equaling
forty years that they wandered in the desert, equaling
a generation.

And for an interesting correlation to the "forty days"...

"To whom also he showed himself alive after his passion
by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days,
and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of
God" - Acts 1:3

Here's an idea... BELIEVE WHAT JESUS SAID!!!

As it stands right now.. you don't.

Jesus said he would return in the generation that
Judah became a nation and I believe.

Where does the Bible say, "I will return in the generation
that Judah becomes a nation again." ??? Oh, that's right,
it doesn't.

You see, your problem is that you believe a doctrine of men
that was taught to you by men. Don't bother telling me that
you learned it from the Bible, because that would be a lie.
You learned it from other people and then believed that
the Bible says what they told you it says, when they took
passages out of their context and they seemed to agree
with what these men taught.

This doctrine is faulty and that is very simple to prove.
As any Dispy (Dispensationalist) knows, this claim about
Luke 21:24 talking about them being a nation again,
that rules itself and has to do with their last dispersion.

Now when did that last dispersion take place? In 70 AD,
when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and laid waste
most of the walled cities of Judah. So, Israel became
a nation again, ruling itself in 1948 they say and thus,
this is the generation and we are the ones in the last days.

This claim is faulty on three counts.

1) The Dispy's read an English translation as if it is
the original text. The Greek word that was translated
into "trodden down" is an action verb, not a political
statement. It speaks of action, not politics. It is the
act of actually trodding down, which is the same thing
we would say if we were to speak of a victory over
someone, or something and we would say that they
were trodden down. Why do you think that it was
translated into "trodden down"?!? Stop reading
the Bible as if words don't even mean what say
anymore, but rather, what you want them to mean,
which you would not do with any other text!

2) Israel was wasn't a nation before 70 AD. When
the Romans laid waste Jerusalem and Judea, the
Roman Empire already controlled Israel and Israel
wasn't a self ruling nation at that time. So to say
that the count started in 70 AD and was fulfilled
in 1948 AD, is a false premise and is based on
total and complete ignorance of Jewish history!

3) They claim that because of 1948, that the last days
are going on now, in our generation. However, that
denies what the Bible says and actually contradicts it.
The writers of Scripture said that THEY were in the
last days.

Hebrews 1:1-2

1) God, who at various times and in various ways
spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
2) has IN THESE LAST DAYS spoken to us by His
Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things,
through whom also He made the worlds.

Now I am sure of one thing. If you acknowledge
the truth of what Scripture says, rather than
question your doctrine, you will, as Dispy's always
do, hold your doctrine above SCripture and will
just modify it slightly and say, "Well, the last days
started then, but they are still going on now". But
this defeats your doctrine, since your doctrine is
all about counting the time from 1948 and claiming
that that was the signal that *WE* are the ones in
the last days.

John, who wrote after that, said that they were
in the "last hour".

"Little children, it is the LAST HOUR..." - 1 John 2:18a

And now, please explain how the writer of Hebrews
said that they were in the last days back then and
John later wrote that they were in the last hour,
which means that within that short frame of time,
they went from being in "the last days", to being
down to "the last hour" and yet, you believe that
the last days started in 1948?

The truth is, if you now shift your claim to what
I said you would, which again, would show your
doctrine false anyway, you would be forced to
say that the last hour has been taking almost
2,000 years. Huh?!?

The fact is, the Scriptures are truth and you arrogant
and maniacally egotistical claims are NOT the Bible!

You say things and then CLAIM that it's what the Bible
says! But the words you use are not found in the Bible!

Jesus did not say, "the generation that is alive when...".

Jesus said, "this generation" and He said it to those
people that were standing right in front of Him!

And you adding your words to it, does not make those
words appear in the Bible!

Thus Jesus did return within the generation He said
He would return within and kept His promise. And
the fact is, if He did not, then the atheists are right!
He either lied, or was deluded and would not be Lord
and Savior, that's for sure!

So the credibility of the entire Gospel message hinges
on this! And Jesus let them know that. You don't see
it in the English translation, but the Greek behind the
word "verily/assuredly", is VERY EMPHATIC! It is as
if Jesus staked His whole credibility on the statement
in Matthew 24:34! And we know what the test is for
a prophet and He would have been the most important
of all!

"When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD,
if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the
thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet
hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid
of him." - Deuteronomy 18:22

There is NO WAY that anyone is going to convince me
that they could have verified Him as a prophet, if thousands
of years had to pass! The people He was speaking to, could
never have been able to do that! And we need to stop reading
the Bible as if words like "now" mean, "In 2007 AD, when you
open your Bible for the first time."!

Jesus said it! I believe it!

Why do the Dispensationalists rage, when faced
with the truth?

And why do they claim they are not driven by vanity,
when they demand that God move out of Heaven and
come here to live?

Nobody I know made such a demand, Jesus said it would happen in
Rev.21:1-3

Stop saying, "Jesus said"! You're a liar!

And it does not say that!

I can only assume you've never studied the Scriptures.

Listen, you arrogant *****! You are the one who hasn't
studied the Scriptures! You believe in made up fantasies
and act like an arrogant ***** and claim, "Jesus said
whatever the Hell I make up next"!!!

And I know damn well that you won't be honest enough
to admit to what the Scriptures showed you in this
message! And note, that I didn't make up words that
the passages don't say and pretend that's what it means!
Unlike you, I echoed exactly what the passages say!


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Why do the Dispensationalists rage, when faced with
the truth?

And why do they claim they are not driven by vanity,
when they demand that God move out of Heaven and
come here to live?

And why do they claim not to be driven by the physical,
when they claim that Jesus does not reign fully and
will not, until He comes to Earth to live?

And if the judgment does not happen until after
the supposed 1,000 year reign and Jesus leaves
again and comes back again for the judgment and
if this supposed 1,000 year reign of Christ means
world peace, which means that there cannot be any
sinners, or there wouldn't be world peace and
which must also mean that they already have their
"glorified, live forever, not under sin bodies",
then what happens to them after the 1,000 years,
when Jesus leaves, since supposedly, there will
be sin on Earth again? I guess He gets up off
of His throne, hands it over to Satan again,
who is now loosed and says, "Psyche!" and leaves,
turning them back into sinful beings again.

Hmmm... I guess for the Dispensationsliat,
salvation is eternal after all. Bummer! (: