| Topic: |
Religions > Bible |
| User: |
"Bill M" |
| Date: |
09 Sep 2006 03:10:39 PM |
| Object: |
WHICH IS THE REAL GOD |
Why do people believe in myths and fables that are unsupported by any
objective verifiable factual evidence?
There are many different religions and literally thousands of God beliefs.
There many religions such as Judaism, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims,
Shintoists, Confusions, Christians, Catholics etc.. There are thousands of
variations in the beliefs of each of these religions and hundreds of minor
religions.
No real god has ever announced directly from his heaven that he is the real
god and all the others are fakes or even that the variations of beliefs
within his own religion are false. There are a plentitude of different
religious documents that proclaim the validity of various Gods.
WHICH IF ANY ARE CORRECT???
Major religious texts and documents;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
Adi Granth and Dasam Granth - canonical scripture of the Sikhs
Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the TRUE one, if
any, and which are fakes? Non of these documents are any objective evidence.
They are all documents written, hand copied, modified and further copied,
over the centuries, by errant men with their own personal and selfish
motivations. All of these documents, except the Book of Morman, were hand
written and hand copied over the centuries before the invention of the
printing press. There is no way to determine authenticity or accuracy of any
of these. The objective evidence is that they are a mixture of inaccurate
history, myth, folklore and legends.
Man can directly communicate with the whole world via TV, the Internet,
Phone and Radio. If there is a real God, why does he not announce to the
whole world from his heaven, by at least an equally effective means, that he
is the real God and all the others are fakes? And why does he not tell us
clearly and directly what he expects from us instead of using hundreds of
vague, ancient, contradictory, unoriginal documents compiled by dozens of
different religions and hundreds of unauthenticated men.
The real objective evidence is that no Gods CREATED MAN but quite the
opposite; that man created gods!
.
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| User: " TomP" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD |
09 Sep 2006 05:02:38 PM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:PcFMg.17186$IM1.14252@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
More SPAM from Bill M who only the vaguest idea -- if that much -- of the
topics he posts this crap on with such inane frequency.
Why do people believe in myths and fables that are unsupported by any
objective verifiable factual evidence?
There are many different religions and literally thousands of God beliefs.
There many religions such as Judaism, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims,
Shintoists, Confusions, Christians, Catholics etc.. There are thousands of
variations in the beliefs of each of these religions and hundreds of minor
religions.
No real god has ever announced directly from his heaven that he is the
real god and all the others are fakes or even that the variations of
beliefs within his own religion are false. There are a plentitude of
different religious documents that proclaim the validity of various Gods.
WHICH IF ANY ARE CORRECT???
Major religious texts and documents;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
Adi Granth and Dasam Granth - canonical scripture of the Sikhs
Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the TRUE one, if
any, and which are fakes? Non of these documents are any objective
evidence. They are all documents written, hand copied, modified and
further copied, over the centuries, by errant men with their own personal
and selfish motivations. All of these documents, except the Book of
Morman, were hand written and hand copied over the centuries before the
invention of the printing press. There is no way to determine authenticity
or accuracy of any of these. The objective evidence is that they are a
mixture of inaccurate history, myth, folklore and legends.
Man can directly communicate with the whole world via TV, the Internet,
Phone and Radio. If there is a real God, why does he not announce to the
whole world from his heaven, by at least an equally effective means, that
he is the real God and all the others are fakes? And why does he not tell
us clearly and directly what he expects from us instead of using hundreds
of vague, ancient, contradictory, unoriginal documents compiled by dozens
of different religions and hundreds of unauthenticated men.
The real objective evidence is that no Gods CREATED MAN but quite the
opposite; that man created gods!
.
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD |
10 Sep 2006 09:01:54 AM |
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" TomP" <th_o_m_as_p@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:45033333$0$24193$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:PcFMg.17186$IM1.14252@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
More SPAM from Bill M who only the vaguest idea -- if that much -- of the
topics he posts this crap on with such inane frequency.
Your knowledge and arguments are so profound? do you really think your
unsupported
reidicule and dirision impresses anyone but the mentally handicapped?
Why do people believe in myths and fables that are unsupported by any
objective verifiable factual evidence?
There are many different religions and literally thousands of God
beliefs. There many religions such as Judaism, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus,
Muslims, Shintoists, Confusions, Christians, Catholics etc.. There are
thousands of variations in the beliefs of each of these religions and
hundreds of minor religions.
No real god has ever announced directly from his heaven that he is the
real god and all the others are fakes or even that the variations of
beliefs within his own religion are false. There are a plentitude of
different religious documents that proclaim the validity of various Gods.
WHICH IF ANY ARE CORRECT???
Major religious texts and documents;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
Adi Granth and Dasam Granth - canonical scripture of the Sikhs
Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the TRUE one, if
any, and which are fakes? Non of these documents are any objective
evidence. They are all documents written, hand copied, modified and
further copied, over the centuries, by errant men with their own personal
and selfish motivations. All of these documents, except the Book of
Morman, were hand written and hand copied over the centuries before the
invention of the printing press. There is no way to determine
authenticity or accuracy of any of these. The objective evidence is that
they are a mixture of inaccurate history, myth, folklore and legends.
Man can directly communicate with the whole world via TV, the Internet,
Phone and Radio. If there is a real God, why does he not announce to the
whole world from his heaven, by at least an equally effective means, that
he is the real God and all the others are fakes? And why does he not tell
us clearly and directly what he expects from us instead of using hundreds
of vague, ancient, contradictory, unoriginal documents compiled by dozens
of different religions and hundreds of unauthenticated men.
The real objective evidence is that no Gods CREATED MAN but quite the
opposite; that man created gods!
.
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| User: "Richo" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD |
13 Sep 2006 01:38:10 AM |
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Bill M wrote:
" TomP" <th_o_m_as_p@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:45033333$0$24193$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:PcFMg.17186$IM1.14252@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
More SPAM from Bill M who only the vaguest idea -- if that much -- of the
topics he posts this crap on with such inane frequency.
Your knowledge and arguments are so profound?
Well he does seem to be quite inteligent and knowledgable.
He certainly makes mince meat of your blatherings and those of theist
idiots like "Pastor Frank" (Not particularly challenging...)
And he isnt an obvious Troll.
Mark.
(Member of S.M.A.S.H. )
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD |
09 Sep 2006 09:15:11 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet TomP
(th_o_m_as_p@yahoo.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:PcFMg.17186$IM1.14252@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
More SPAM from Bill M who only the vaguest idea -- if that much -- of
the topics he posts this crap on with such inane frequency.
Got a civil reply, or when someone puts reality in your face do you beat
him senseless with it? Here's some reality for you, meat head.
Gods are imaginary.
Jesus never existed.
The Holy Ghost blew away with the Big Bang.
Religions are destroying society.
Now beat me senseless, Cro-Magnon-with-a-crucifix-up-his-*****.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Member: Intensional misspellingg club.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD |
10 Sep 2006 05:52:02 AM |
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TomP wrote:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:PcFMg.17186$IM1.14252@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
More SPAM from Bill M who only the vaguest idea -- if that much -- of the
topics he posts this crap on with such inane frequency.
Well since you brought up the subject of 'crap'; lets us see what we can do.
The universe revolves around the earth.
Stars are pinpricks in the heavens.
The world is flat (and on pillars)
Bats are a kind of bird.
Rabbits chew their cud.
There is enough water to flood the entire planet
Women were created from a man's rib
Rainbows are a promise from God
[Acknowledgements to 'James, Seattle']
"We look at the ancient Greeks with their gods on a mountain top throwing
lightning bolts and say, 'Those ancient Greeks. They were so silly. So
primitive and naive. Not like our religions. We have burning bushes talking to
people and guys walking on water. We're sophisticated.'"
[Acknowledgements - Paul Provenza]
Why do people believe in myths and fables that are unsupported by any
objective verifiable factual evidence?
There are many different religions and literally thousands of God beliefs.
There many religions such as Judaism, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims,
Shintoists, Confusions, Christians, Catholics etc.. There are thousands of
variations in the beliefs of each of these religions and hundreds of minor
religions.
No real god has ever announced directly from his heaven that he is the
real god and all the others are fakes or even that the variations of
beliefs within his own religion are false. There are a plentitude of
different religious documents that proclaim the validity of various Gods.
WHICH IF ANY ARE CORRECT???
Major religious texts and documents;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
Adi Granth and Dasam Granth - canonical scripture of the Sikhs
Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the TRUE one, if
any, and which are fakes? Non of these documents are any objective
evidence. They are all documents written, hand copied, modified and
further copied, over the centuries, by errant men with their own personal
and selfish motivations. All of these documents, except the Book of
Morman, were hand written and hand copied over the centuries before the
invention of the printing press. There is no way to determine authenticity
or accuracy of any of these. The objective evidence is that they are a
mixture of inaccurate history, myth, folklore and legends.
Man can directly communicate with the whole world via TV, the Internet,
Phone and Radio. If there is a real God, why does he not announce to the
whole world from his heaven, by at least an equally effective means, that
he is the real God and all the others are fakes? And why does he not tell
us clearly and directly what he expects from us instead of using hundreds
of vague, ancient, contradictory, unoriginal documents compiled by dozens
of different religions and hundreds of unauthenticated men.
The real objective evidence is that no Gods CREATED MAN but quite the
opposite; that man created gods!
.
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| User: " TomP" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD |
12 Sep 2006 02:28:51 PM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:4503EDDF.6C785F1C@netvigator.com...
TomP wrote:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:PcFMg.17186$IM1.14252@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
More SPAM from Bill M who only the vaguest idea -- if that much -- of the
topics he posts this crap on with such inane frequency.
Well since you brought up the subject of 'crap'; lets us see what we can
do.
Yes, shall we?
By the way, is what follows the best you can do on the subject of crap? I
expected better of you than the same old lame criticisms of Biblical
literalism. Geez . . . any fool can pick that apart. Lots of atheist fools
do hereabouts nearly every day. Try harder next time. I am sure you can do
better.
The universe revolves around the earth.
Stars are pinpricks in the heavens.
The world is flat (and on pillars)
Bats are a kind of bird.
Rabbits chew their cud.
There is enough water to flood the entire planet
Women were created from a man's rib
Rainbows are a promise from God
What is your point? Do you really believe the Old Testament to be literally
true? How about Aesop, "Gilgamesh," the Rhig Veda, the "Aeneid," and the
Icelandic Sagas? Are they all to be taken literally too?
Are you not familiar with the literary technique of allegory to make a
point? There are lots of good books on literary techniques, why not get one
and read it?
[Acknowledgements to 'James, Seattle']
Does "James, Seattle" take ancient religious scriptures to be literally
true? How very odd . . . Maybe you can pass that volume of literary devices
and techniques on to "James, Seattle" when you finish it.
"We look at the ancient Greeks with their gods on a mountain top throwing
lightning bolts and say, 'Those ancient Greeks. They were so silly. So
primitive and naive. Not like our religions. We have burning bushes
talking to
people and guys walking on water. We're sophisticated.'"
[Acknowledgements - Paul Provenza]
"Paul Provenza" should probably actually familiarize himself with Greek
myths before he publishes such drivel. Only one Greek god, emphatically and
definitely not "gods" threw lightning bolts. Get your story straight.
Why do you think that just because that small minority of Christians who
take the Bible literally are wrong that your atheism is right?
Have you ever entertained the possibility that both fundamentalist
Christianity and atheism are mistaken?
While you are at it, why don't you prove using "factual verifiable objective
evidence" your atheist fellow traveler Bill M's assertion ". . . that man
created gods"?
Bet you can't. But I will happily and carefully read all of the efforts you
post.
Why do people believe in myths and fables that are unsupported by any
objective verifiable factual evidence?
There are many different religions and literally thousands of God
beliefs.
There many religions such as Judaism, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus,
Muslims,
Shintoists, Confusions, Christians, Catholics etc.. There are thousands
of
variations in the beliefs of each of these religions and hundreds of
minor
religions.
No real god has ever announced directly from his heaven that he is the
real god and all the others are fakes or even that the variations of
beliefs within his own religion are false. There are a plentitude of
different religious documents that proclaim the validity of various
Gods.
WHICH IF ANY ARE CORRECT???
Major religious texts and documents;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
Adi Granth and Dasam Granth - canonical scripture of the Sikhs
Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the TRUE one,
if
any, and which are fakes? Non of these documents are any objective
evidence. They are all documents written, hand copied, modified and
further copied, over the centuries, by errant men with their own
personal
and selfish motivations. All of these documents, except the Book of
Morman, were hand written and hand copied over the centuries before the
invention of the printing press. There is no way to determine
authenticity
or accuracy of any of these. The objective evidence is that they are a
mixture of inaccurate history, myth, folklore and legends.
Man can directly communicate with the whole world via TV, the Internet,
Phone and Radio. If there is a real God, why does he not announce to
the
whole world from his heaven, by at least an equally effective means,
that
he is the real God and all the others are fakes? And why does he not
tell
us clearly and directly what he expects from us instead of using
hundreds
of vague, ancient, contradictory, unoriginal documents compiled by
dozens
of different religions and hundreds of unauthenticated men.
The real objective evidence is that no Gods CREATED MAN but quite the
opposite; that man created gods!
Prove that assertion using "real objective evidence." Bet you can't.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD |
12 Sep 2006 11:37:01 PM |
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TomP wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:4503EDDF.6C785F1C@netvigator.com...
TomP wrote:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:PcFMg.17186$IM1.14252@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
More SPAM from Bill M who only the vaguest idea -- if that much -- of the
topics he posts this crap on with such inane frequency.
Well since you brought up the subject of 'crap'; lets us see what we can
do.
Yes, shall we?
By the way, is what follows the best you can do on the subject of crap? I
expected better of you than the same old lame criticisms of Biblical
literalism. Geez . . . any fool can pick that apart.
OK, then go ahead and show that you are not a fool - be my
guest................
Lots of atheist fools
do hereabouts nearly every day. Try harder next time. I am sure you can do
better.
The universe revolves around the earth.
Stars are pinpricks in the heavens.
The world is flat (and on pillars)
Bats are a kind of bird.
Rabbits chew their cud.
There is enough water to flood the entire planet
Women were created from a man's rib
Rainbows are a promise from God
What is your point?
My point is that religions are ancient myths [which you already knew, but since
you cannot counter you rely as usual on snide nasty remarks - speaks volumes
Do you really believe the Old Testament to be literally
true? How about Aesop, "Gilgamesh," the Rhig Veda, the "Aeneid," and the
Icelandic Sagas? Are they all to be taken literally too?
.............as literal as christ healing a blind man. Anly a 'fool' swallows
such a silly story.
an intellectual will say something like "Wow the son of a god curing a blind
man he happened to meet up with, why then did he not cure all the blind people
instead of just one, maybe it was just a silly fable for consumpton by the
simpletons of the time plus simpletons living two thousand years later who were
brainwashed by their parents, who were brainwashed by their parents, who were
brainwashed by their parents, who were brainwashed by their parents, who were
brainwashed by their parents............
Are you not familiar with the literary technique of allegory to make a
point? There are lots of good books on literary techniques, why not get one
and read it?
[Acknowledgements to 'James, Seattle']
Does "James, Seattle" take ancient religious scriptures to be literally
true? How very odd . . . Maybe you can pass that volume of literary devices
and techniques on to "James, Seattle" when you finish it.
"We look at the ancient Greeks with their gods on a mountain top throwing
lightning bolts and say, 'Those ancient Greeks. They were so silly. So
primitive and naive. Not like our religions. We have burning bushes
talking to
people and guys walking on water. We're sophisticated.'"
[Acknowledgements - Paul Provenza]
"Paul Provenza" should probably actually familiarize himself with Greek
myths before he publishes such drivel. Only one Greek god, emphatically and
definitely not "gods" threw lightning bolts. Get your story straight.
Why do you think that just because that small minority of Christians who
take the Bible literally are wrong that your atheism is right?
Have you ever entertained the possibility that both fundamentalist
Christianity and atheism are mistaken?
While you are at it, why don't you prove using "factual verifiable objective
evidence" your atheist fellow traveler Bill M's assertion ". . . that man
created gods"?
Bet you can't. But I will happily and carefully read all of the efforts you
post.
You are the one claiming a god and need others to join your club.
so it is up to the salesman to prove he has a product to sell.
I wont buy your product if you cannot prduce it
[frustrating isn't it?]
Why do people believe in myths and fables that are unsupported by any
objective verifiable factual evidence?
There are many different religions and literally thousands of God
beliefs.
There many religions such as Judaism, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus,
Muslims,
Shintoists, Confusions, Christians, Catholics etc.. There are thousands
of
variations in the beliefs of each of these religions and hundreds of
minor
religions.
No real god has ever announced directly from his heaven that he is the
real god and all the others are fakes or even that the variations of
beliefs within his own religion are false. There are a plentitude of
different religious documents that proclaim the validity of various
Gods.
WHICH IF ANY ARE CORRECT???
Major religious texts and documents;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
Adi Granth and Dasam Granth - canonical scripture of the Sikhs
Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the TRUE one,
if
any, and which are fakes? Non of these documents are any objective
evidence. They are all documents written, hand copied, modified and
further copied, over the centuries, by errant men with their own
personal
and selfish motivations. All of these documents, except the Book of
Morman, were hand written and hand copied over the centuries before the
invention of the printing press. There is no way to determine
authenticity
or accuracy of any of these. The objective evidence is that they are a
mixture of inaccurate history, myth, folklore and legends.
Man can directly communicate with the whole world via TV, the Internet,
Phone and Radio. If there is a real God, why does he not announce to
the
whole world from his heaven, by at least an equally effective means,
that
he is the real God and all the others are fakes? And why does he not
tell
us clearly and directly what he expects from us instead of using
hundreds
of vague, ancient, contradictory, unoriginal documents compiled by
dozens
of different religions and hundreds of unauthenticated men.
The real objective evidence is that no Gods CREATED MAN but quite the
opposite; that man created gods!
Prove that assertion using "real objective evidence." Bet you can't.
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD |
10 Sep 2006 09:08:22 AM |
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Tomp is just the Don Quixote of the religious Reich.
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:4503EDDF.6C785F1C@netvigator.com...
TomP wrote:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:PcFMg.17186$IM1.14252@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
More SPAM from Bill M who only the vaguest idea -- if that much -- of the
topics he posts this crap on with such inane frequency.
Well since you brought up the subject of 'crap'; lets us see what we can
do.
The universe revolves around the earth.
Stars are pinpricks in the heavens.
The world is flat (and on pillars)
Bats are a kind of bird.
Rabbits chew their cud.
There is enough water to flood the entire planet
Women were created from a man's rib
Rainbows are a promise from God
[Acknowledgements to 'James, Seattle']
"We look at the ancient Greeks with their gods on a mountain top throwing
lightning bolts and say, 'Those ancient Greeks. They were so silly. So
primitive and naive. Not like our religions. We have burning bushes
talking to
people and guys walking on water. We're sophisticated.'"
[Acknowledgements - Paul Provenza]
Why do people believe in myths and fables that are unsupported by any
objective verifiable factual evidence?
There are many different religions and literally thousands of God
beliefs.
There many religions such as Judaism, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus,
Muslims,
Shintoists, Confusions, Christians, Catholics etc.. There are thousands
of
variations in the beliefs of each of these religions and hundreds of
minor
religions.
No real god has ever announced directly from his heaven that he is the
real god and all the others are fakes or even that the variations of
beliefs within his own religion are false. There are a plentitude of
different religious documents that proclaim the validity of various
Gods.
WHICH IF ANY ARE CORRECT???
Major religious texts and documents;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
Adi Granth and Dasam Granth - canonical scripture of the Sikhs
Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the TRUE one,
if
any, and which are fakes? Non of these documents are any objective
evidence. They are all documents written, hand copied, modified and
further copied, over the centuries, by errant men with their own
personal
and selfish motivations. All of these documents, except the Book of
Morman, were hand written and hand copied over the centuries before the
invention of the printing press. There is no way to determine
authenticity
or accuracy of any of these. The objective evidence is that they are a
mixture of inaccurate history, myth, folklore and legends.
Man can directly communicate with the whole world via TV, the Internet,
Phone and Radio. If there is a real God, why does he not announce to
the
whole world from his heaven, by at least an equally effective means,
that
he is the real God and all the others are fakes? And why does he not
tell
us clearly and directly what he expects from us instead of using
hundreds
of vague, ancient, contradictory, unoriginal documents compiled by
dozens
of different religions and hundreds of unauthenticated men.
The real objective evidence is that no Gods CREATED MAN but quite the
opposite; that man created gods!
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11 Sep 2006 09:03:27 PM |
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Bill M wrote:
Why do people believe in myths and fables that are unsupported by any
objective verifiable factual evidence?
Because people crave meaning in their lives and they aint getting it
from "facts".
This idea is often expressed as:
"You can't derive an aught from an is"
There are many different religions and literally thousands of God beliefs.
There many religions such as Judaism, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims,
Shintoists, Confusions, Christians, Catholics etc.. There are thousands of
variations in the beliefs of each of these religions and hundreds of minor
religions.
No real god has ever announced directly from his heaven that he is the real
god and all the others are fakes or even that the variations of beliefs
within his own religion are false. There are a plentitude of different
religious documents that proclaim the validity of various Gods.
WHICH IF ANY ARE CORRECT???
All religions contain some elements of truth - if they didnt they
wouldnt last very long. They all contain much that is wrong - both
objectively false and ethically dubious.
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the TRUE one, if
any, and which are fakes?
False dichotomy.
There are no true gods - and none of them are fakes.
While It is possible to "fake" belief in a god the vast majority of
belief is sincere.
The real objective evidence is that no Gods CREATED MAN but quite the
opposite; that man created gods!
My totally subjective opinion is that all gods are false - whether they
exist or not.
Mark.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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12 Sep 2006 04:36:17 PM |
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Richo wrote:
Bill M wrote:
Why do people believe in myths and fables that are unsupported by any
objective verifiable factual evidence?
Because people crave meaning in their lives and they aint getting it
from "facts".
This idea is often expressed as:
"You can't derive an aught from an is"
There are many different religions and literally thousands of God beliefs.
There many religions such as Judaism, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims,
Shintoists, Confusions, Christians, Catholics etc.. There are thousands of
variations in the beliefs of each of these religions and hundreds of minor
religions.
No real god has ever announced directly from his heaven that he is the real
god and all the others are fakes or even that the variations of beliefs
within his own religion are false. There are a plentitude of different
religious documents that proclaim the validity of various Gods.
WHICH IF ANY ARE CORRECT???
All religions contain some elements of truth - if they didnt they
wouldnt last very long. They all contain much that is wrong - both
objectively false and ethically dubious.
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the TRUE one, if
any, and which are fakes?
False dichotomy.
There are no true gods - and none of them are fakes.
While It is possible to "fake" belief in a god the vast majority of
belief is sincere.
The real objective evidence is that no Gods CREATED MAN but quite the
opposite; that man created gods!
My totally subjective opinion is that all gods are false - whether they
exist or not.
Mark.
===>ALL gods are individualized products of the believers' minds.
No two individuals are the same, nor are any two of the gods they
create for themselves to worship as their personal IDOLS! -- L.
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| User: "Richo" |
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12 Sep 2006 09:41:02 PM |
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Libertarius wrote:
Richo wrote:
Bill M wrote:
Why do people believe in myths and fables that are unsupported by any
objective verifiable factual evidence?
Because people crave meaning in their lives and they aint getting it
from "facts".
This idea is often expressed as:
"You can't derive an aught from an is"
There are many different religions and literally thousands of God beliefs.
There many religions such as Judaism, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims,
Shintoists, Confusions, Christians, Catholics etc.. There are thousands of
variations in the beliefs of each of these religions and hundreds of minor
religions.
No real god has ever announced directly from his heaven that he is the real
god and all the others are fakes or even that the variations of beliefs
within his own religion are false. There are a plentitude of different
religious documents that proclaim the validity of various Gods.
WHICH IF ANY ARE CORRECT???
All religions contain some elements of truth - if they didnt they
wouldnt last very long. They all contain much that is wrong - both
objectively false and ethically dubious.
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the TRUE one, if
any, and which are fakes?
False dichotomy.
There are no true gods - and none of them are fakes.
While It is possible to "fake" belief in a god the vast majority of
belief is sincere.
The real objective evidence is that no Gods CREATED MAN but quite the
opposite; that man created gods!
My totally subjective opinion is that all gods are false - whether they
exist or not.
Mark.
===>ALL gods are individualized products of the believers' minds.
No two individuals are the same, nor are any two of the gods they
create for themselves to worship as their personal IDOLS! -- L.
I agree and Bill shows absolutely no sign of understanding human beings
or their motives for belief.
He is obssessed with this "objective verifiable evidence " blah blah
blah - which completely misunderstands how this stuff actually works.
Human beings have emotional, cultural and political drives and
motivations that are completely seperate from, and immune to, rational
logical processes.
I am trying in vain to get Bill to see that.
Mark.
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| User: "Gordon Hill" |
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13 Sep 2006 06:57:18 PM |
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Richo wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Richo wrote:
Bill M wrote:
Why do people believe in myths and fables that are unsupported by any
objective verifiable factual evidence?
Because people crave meaning in their lives and they aint getting it
from "facts".
This idea is often expressed as:
"You can't derive an aught from an is"
If you are suggesting people believe in fantasies a fact-void, I
wonder, "How can this be?" Is it possible to participate in fantasies
without facts as their source?
There are many different religions and literally thousands of God beliefs.
There many religions such as Judaism, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims,
Shintoists, Confusions, Christians, Catholics etc.. There are thousands of
variations in the beliefs of each of these religions and hundreds of minor
religions.
No real god has ever announced directly from his heaven that he is the real
god and all the others are fakes or even that the variations of beliefs
within his own religion are false. There are a plentitude of different
religious documents that proclaim the validity of various Gods.
WHICH IF ANY ARE CORRECT???
All religions contain some elements of truth - if they didnt they
wouldnt last very long. They all contain much that is wrong - both
objectively false and ethically dubious.
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the TRUE one, if
any, and which are fakes?
False dichotomy.
There are no true gods - and none of them are fakes.
While It is possible to "fake" belief in a god the vast majority of
belief is sincere.
The real objective evidence is that no Gods CREATED MAN but quite the
opposite; that man created gods!
My totally subjective opinion is that all gods are false - whether they
exist or not.
Mark.
===>ALL gods are individualized products of the believers' minds.
No two individuals are the same, nor are any two of the gods they
create for themselves to worship as their personal IDOLS! -- L.
Nicely said, although I would debate the IDOL reference which suggests
something to be worshiped. "Reverence for" and "worship of" are
similar, but unequal.
I agree and Bill shows absolutely no sign of understanding human beings
or their motives for belief.
Can a thinking person live without belief? If so, what would they
think about?
He is obssessed with this "objective verifiable evidence " blah blah
blah - which completely misunderstands how this stuff actually works.
He also posts and runs. Where is the "objective verifiable evidence"
for state-of-the-art scientific theories; e.g., string theory, multiple
universes, abiogenesis, unified field theory? Are the scientists
pursuing these any different than religious believers? Not until they
find their first clue.
Human beings have emotional, cultural and political drives and
motivations that are completely seperate from, and immune to, rational
logical processes.
I like to think of these as the nonrational part of consciousness.
Included in this domain is love. Give me "objective verifiable
evidence" for that.
I am trying in vain to get Bill to see that.
Bill will see what he sees when he sees it. It's worth the effort, but
don't get your hopes up.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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14 Sep 2006 03:58:32 AM |
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"Gordon Hill" <gordon@explainer.com> wrote in message
news:1158191838.232369.24670@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Richo wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Richo wrote:
Bill M wrote:
Why do people believe in myths and fables that are unsupported by any
objective verifiable factual evidence?
Because people crave meaning in their lives and they aint getting it
from "facts".
This idea is often expressed as:
"You can't derive an aught from an is"
If you are suggesting people believe in fantasies a fact-void, I
wonder, "How can this be?" Is it possible to participate in fantasies
without facts as their source?
Religions represent common ideals of behaviour and which are always
"fantasies" for though ideals exist, ideal behaviour does obviously not
exist and must always be something to be achieved.
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| User: "Gordon Hill" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD -- ALL GODS ARE IDOLS |
18 Sep 2006 12:31:27 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Gordon Hill" <gordon@explainer.com> wrote in message
news:1158191838.232369.24670@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Richo wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Richo wrote:
Bill M wrote:
Why do people believe in myths and fables that are unsupported by any
objective verifiable factual evidence?
Because people crave meaning in their lives and they aint getting it
from "facts".
This idea is often expressed as:
"You can't derive an aught from an is"
If you are suggesting people believe in fantasies a fact-void, I
wonder, "How can this be?" Is it possible to participate in fantasies
without facts as their source?
Religions represent common ideals of behaviour and which are always
"fantasies" for though ideals exist, ideal behaviour does obviously not
exist and must always be something to be achieved.
My view is that perfect, rather than ideal, behavior exists most of the
time, and that moral/ethical codes of living, including religion, guide
us as to the qualities of both perfect and imperfect behaviors...
"Do..." "Do not..."
Perfect life forms--everything except humans--need no moral codes nor
do we most of the time, but we can reason and choose which creates the
need for guidelines.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD -- ALL GODS ARE IDOLS |
18 Sep 2006 12:53:44 PM |
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"Gordon Hill" <gordon@explainer.com> wrote in message
news:1158600687.568098.44590@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Gordon Hill" <gordon@explainer.com> wrote in message
news:1158191838.232369.24670@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Richo wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Richo wrote:
Bill M wrote:
Why do people believe in myths and fables that are unsupported by
any
objective verifiable factual evidence?
Because people crave meaning in their lives and they aint getting
it
from "facts".
This idea is often expressed as:
"You can't derive an aught from an is"
If you are suggesting people believe in fantasies a fact-void, I
wonder, "How can this be?" Is it possible to participate in fantasies
without facts as their source?
Religions represent common ideals of behaviour and which are always
"fantasies" for though ideals exist, ideal behaviour does obviously not
exist and must always be something to be achieved.
My view is that perfect, rather than ideal, behavior exists most of the
time, and that moral/ethical codes of living, including religion, guide
us as to the qualities of both perfect and imperfect behaviors...
"Do..." "Do not..."
Perfect life forms--everything except humans--need no moral codes nor
do we most of the time, but we can reason and choose which creates the
need for guidelines.
Why not start your own religion? Call it Gord Hillism if you like. We
here in our Christian NGs, prefer Christ. Do you mind?
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| User: "Scott Richter" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD -- ALL GODS ARE IDOLS |
19 Sep 2006 09:52:06 PM |
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Pastor Frank <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote:
We here in our Christian NGs, prefer Christ. Do you mind?
This is Usenet. There are no Christian newsgroups, only newsgroups about
christianity. Just like there are newsgroups about witches and dragons
and other fairy tales.
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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19 Sep 2006 10:00:10 PM |
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On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:52:06 -0700, in alt.atheism
scottrichter422@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote in
<1hlxfn0.klhcns19kc6jhN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com>:
Pastor Frank <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote:
We here in our Christian NGs, prefer Christ. Do you mind?
This is Usenet. There are no Christian newsgroups, only newsgroups about
christianity. Just like there are newsgroups about witches and dragons
and other fairy tales.
And I'm reading it from alt.atheism Frank. Is that another of your
Christian newsgroups?
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| User: "Gordon Hill" |
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20 Sep 2006 09:54:00 AM |
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Scott Richter wrote:
Pastor Frank <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote:
We here in our Christian NGs, prefer Christ. Do you mind?
This is Usenet. There are no Christian newsgroups, only newsgroups about
christianity. Just like there are newsgroups about witches and dragons
and other fairy tales.
Thanks for clearing that up, Scott.
For we who are new here, it's a point misunderstood.
One of these days I'll know-it-all and tell the world, until then, I'll
try to pay attention.
All the best, Gordon
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| User: "Gordon Hill" |
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18 Sep 2006 04:21:17 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Gordon Hill" <gordon@explainer.com> wrote in message
news:1158600687.568098.44590@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Gordon Hill" <gordon@explainer.com> wrote in message
news:1158191838.232369.24670@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Richo wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Richo wrote:
Bill M wrote:
Why do people believe in myths and fables that are unsupported by
any
objective verifiable factual evidence?
Because people crave meaning in their lives and they aint getting
it
from "facts".
This idea is often expressed as:
"You can't derive an aught from an is"
If you are suggesting people believe in fantasies a fact-void, I
wonder, "How can this be?" Is it possible to participate in fantasies
without facts as their source?
Religions represent common ideals of behaviour and which are always
"fantasies" for though ideals exist, ideal behaviour does obviously not
exist and must always be something to be achieved.
My view is that perfect, rather than ideal, behavior exists most of the
time, and that moral/ethical codes of living, including religion, guide
us as to the qualities of both perfect and imperfect behaviors...
"Do..." "Do not..."
Perfect life forms--everything except humans--need no moral codes nor
do we most of the time, but we can reason and choose which creates the
need for guidelines.
Why not start your own religion? Call it Gord Hillism if you like.
Since no two people believe exactly the same, everyone does form their
own religious practice.
We
here in our Christian NGs, prefer Christ.
Give me the link to the site that gives the definition of what it means
to be a Christian and I'll read it. Or you the ultimate authority?
Do you mind?
Are you saying every Christian believes the same? I don't think so.
As a Methodist I consider myself a Christian, although others do not.
Fortunately, there is no central place to go to identify who is and who
is not a Christian. In fact the acit tests are two.
1. Have someone ask you neighbor if you are a christian.
2. Have someone charge you with being a Christian and see if there is
enough evidence to convict you.
As for your Christian NGs, I was unaware that you were the monitor for
them.
Besides you are posting to alt.atheism which makes your posts fair game
for all.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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18 Sep 2006 10:06:48 PM |
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"Gordon Hill" <gordon@explainer.com> wrote in message
news:1158614477.074592.119930@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
We here in our Christian NGs, prefer Christ.
Give me the link to the site that gives the definition of what it means
to be a Christian and I'll read it. Or you the ultimate authority?
"Link"? Our sole reference is NT Bible. Surely you don't need a link to
read it, do you? Christian means a follower of Christ. If he doesn't, AND
justifies not following Christ, then he is not a Christian.
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| User: "Gordon Hill" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD -- ALL GODS ARE IDOLS |
19 Sep 2006 05:46:51 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Gordon Hill" <gordon@explainer.com> wrote in message
news:1158614477.074592.119930@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
We here in our Christian NGs, prefer Christ.
Give me the link to the site that gives the definition of what it means
to be a Christian and I'll read it. Or you the ultimate authority?
"Link"? Our sole reference is NT Bible. Surely you don't need a link to
read it, do you? Christian means a follower of Christ. If he doesn't, AND
justifies not following Christ, then he is not a Christian.
Sounds good to me. So I don't have to start my own church after all.
Being tax free is tempting, but temptation is something I avoid.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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18 Sep 2006 04:25:36 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Gordon Hill" <gordon@explainer.com> wrote in message
news:1158600687.568098.44590@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Gordon Hill" <gordon@explainer.com> wrote in message
news:1158191838.232369.24670@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Richo wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Richo wrote:
Bill M wrote:
Why do people believe in myths and fables that are unsupported by
any
objective verifiable factual evidence?
Because people crave meaning in their lives and they aint getting
it
from "facts".
This idea is often expressed as:
"You can't derive an aught from an is"
If you are suggesting people believe in fantasies a fact-void, I
wonder, "How can this be?" Is it possible to participate in fantasies
without facts as their source?
Religions represent common ideals of behaviour and which are always
"fantasies" for though ideals exist, ideal behaviour does obviously not
exist and must always be something to be achieved.
My view is that perfect, rather than ideal, behavior exists most of the
time, and that moral/ethical codes of living, including religion, guide
us as to the qualities of both perfect and imperfect behaviors...
"Do..." "Do not..."
Perfect life forms--everything except humans--need no moral codes nor
do we most of the time, but we can reason and choose which creates the
need for guidelines.
Why not start your own religion? Call it Gord Hillism if you like. We
here in our Christian NGs, prefer Christ. Do you mind?
===>Just like your made-up FREAKIANITY? ;-) -- L.
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| User: "Gordon Hill" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD -- ALL GODS ARE IDOLS |
18 Sep 2006 04:36:11 PM |
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Libertarius wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Gordon Hill" <gordon@explainer.com> wrote in message
news:1158600687.568098.44590@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Gordon Hill" <gordon@explainer.com> wrote in message
news:1158191838.232369.24670@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Richo wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Richo wrote:
Bill M wrote:
Why do people believe in myths and fables that are unsupported by
any
objective verifiable factual evidence?
Because people crave meaning in their lives and they aint getting
it
from "facts".
This idea is often expressed as:
"You can't derive an aught from an is"
If you are suggesting people believe in fantasies a fact-void, I
wonder, "How can this be?" Is it possible to participate in fantasies
without facts as their source?
Religions represent common ideals of behaviour and which are always
"fantasies" for though ideals exist, ideal behaviour does obviously not
exist and must always be something to be achieved.
My view is that perfect, rather than ideal, behavior exists most of the
time, and that moral/ethical codes of living, including religion, guide
us as to the qualities of both perfect and imperfect behaviors...
"Do..." "Do not..."
Perfect life forms--everything except humans--need no moral codes nor
do we most of the time, but we can reason and choose which creates the
need for guidelines.
Why not start your own religion? Call it Gord Hillism if you like. We
here in our Christian NGs, prefer Christ. Do you mind?
===>Just like your made-up FREAKIANITY? ;-) -- L.
Show me a person who believes EXACTLY as another and you've shown me a
liar or a clone.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD -- ALL GODS ARE IDOLS |
19 Sep 2006 12:04:36 PM |
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Gordon Hill wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Gordon Hill" <gordon@explainer.com> wrote in message
news:1158600687.568098.44590@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Gordon Hill" <gordon@explainer.com> wrote in message
news:1158191838.232369.24670@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Richo wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Richo wrote:
Bill M wrote:
Why do people believe in myths and fables that are unsupported by
any
objective verifiable factual evidence?
Because people crave meaning in their lives and they aint getting
it
from "facts".
This idea is often expressed as:
"You can't derive an aught from an is"
If you are suggesting people believe in fantasies a fact-void, I
wonder, "How can this be?" Is it possible to participate in fantasies
without facts as their source?
Religions represent common ideals of behaviour and which are always
"fantasies" for though ideals exist, ideal behaviour does obviously not
exist and must always be something to be achieved.
My view is that perfect, rather than ideal, behavior exists most of the
time, and that moral/ethical codes of living, including religion, guide
us as to the qualities of both perfect and imperfect behaviors...
"Do..." "Do not..."
Perfect life forms--everything except humans--need no moral codes nor
do we most of the time, but we can reason and choose which creates the
need for guidelines.
Why not start your own religion? Call it Gord Hillism if you like. We
here in our Christian NGs, prefer Christ. Do you mind?
===>Just like your made-up FREAKIANITY? ;-) -- L.
Show me a person who believes EXACTLY as another and you've shown me a
liar or a clone.
===>That is exactly right. -- L.
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| User: "Gordon Hill" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD -- ALL GODS ARE IDOLS |
19 Sep 2006 05:49:50 PM |
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Libertarius wrote:
Gordon Hill wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Gordon Hill" <gordon@explainer.com> wrote in message
news:1158600687.568098.44590@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Gordon Hill" <gordon@explainer.com> wrote in message
news:1158191838.232369.24670@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Richo wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Richo wrote:
Bill M wrote:
Why do people believe in myths and fables that are unsupported by
any
objective verifiable factual evidence?
Because people crave meaning in their lives and they aint getting
it
from "facts".
This idea is often expressed as:
"You can't derive an aught from an is"
If you are suggesting people believe in fantasies a fact-void, I
wonder, "How can this be?" Is it possible to participate in fantasies
without facts as their source?
Religions represent common ideals of behaviour and which are always
"fantasies" for though ideals exist, ideal behaviour does obviously not
exist and must always be something to be achieved.
My view is that perfect, rather than ideal, behavior exists most of the
time, and that moral/ethical codes of living, including religion, guide
us as to the qualities of both perfect and imperfect behaviors...
"Do..." "Do not..."
Perfect life forms--everything except humans--need no moral codes nor
do we most of the time, but we can reason and choose which creates the
need for guidelines.
Why not start your own religion? Call it Gord Hillism if you like. We
here in our Christian NGs, prefer Christ. Do you mind?
===>Just like your made-up FREAKIANITY? ;-) -- L.
Show me a person who believes EXACTLY as another and you've shown me a
liar or a clone.
===>That is exactly right. -- L.
So far. Every correct observation is tentative.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD -- ALL GODS ARE IDOLS |
19 Sep 2006 12:44:03 AM |
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Gordon Hill wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Gordon Hill" <gordon@explainer.com> wrote in message
news:1158600687.568098.44590@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Gordon Hill" <gordon@explainer.com> wrote in message
news:1158191838.232369.24670@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Richo wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Richo wrote:
Bill M wrote:
Why do people believe in myths and fables that are unsupported by
any
objective verifiable factual evidence?
Because people crave meaning in their lives and they aint getting
it
from "facts".
This idea is often expressed as:
"You can't derive an aught from an is"
If you are suggesting people believe in fantasies a fact-void, I
wonder, "How can this be?" Is it possible to participate in fantasies
without facts as their source?
Religions represent common ideals of behaviour and which are always
"fantasies" for though ideals exist, ideal behaviour does obviously not
exist and must always be something to be achieved.
My view is that perfect, rather than ideal, behavior exists most of the
time, and that moral/ethical codes of living, including religion, guide
us as to the qualities of both perfect and imperfect behaviors...
"Do..." "Do not..."
Perfect life forms--everything except humans--need no moral codes nor
do we most of the time, but we can reason and choose which creates the
need for guidelines.
Why not start your own religion? Call it Gord Hillism if you like. We
here in our Christian NGs, prefer Christ. Do you mind?
===>Just like your made-up FREAKIANITY? ;-) -- L.
Show me a person who believes EXACTLY as another and you've shown me a
liar or a clone.
The fact that they do not is correct,
revealing for all to see the banility of religions.
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| User: "George Peatty" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD -- ALL GODS ARE IDOLS |
19 Sep 2006 09:35:21 AM |
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In article <450F831A.712BFDEE@netvigator.com>, bob young says...
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Show me a person who believes EXACTLY as another and you've shown me a
liar or a clone.
The fact that they do not is correct,
revealing for all to see the banility of religions.
By that logic, your indifference, skepticism and contempt are banal, for no two
persons think EXACTLY alike in your crowd, either ..
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| User: "Gordon Hill" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD -- ALL GODS ARE IDOLS |
19 Sep 2006 05:48:39 PM |
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George Peatty wrote:
In article <450F831A.712BFDEE@netvigator.com>, bob young says...
[snip]
Show me a person who believes EXACTLY as another and you've shown me a
liar or a clone.
The fact that they do not is correct,
revealing for all to see the banility of religions.
By that logic, your indifference, skepticism and contempt are banal, for no two
persons think EXACTLY alike in your crowd, either ..
Is it crowded in here?
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