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"Pastor Winter JNAHC" |
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26 Feb 2004 12:46:39 AM |
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Which Jesus |
There is only one God and He is ONE person, not three, and his
name is Jesus. Sadly, there are many who are not worshiping the
Jesus of the Bible, who, according to the scripture IS the
everlasting Father. These poor souls are worshiping a figment of
carnal human imagination, a man made "Jesus", that is a separate
person from God, or just merely a part of God. In their vain
imagination they mold their "Jesus" to fit their personal
concepts, they manufacture a fable of a "Jesus" that will just
overlook unrepented sins and just take any and everything into
heaven.
They confuse emotional titillations with spiritual activity. They
prefer dewey eyed fables over the Word of God.
An idol need not be a manmade "icon" or statue; a mental concept
can also be an idol god, just as much as a statue of a golden
calf. It has always been the carnal nature to manufacture a god
that fit rather than measuring up to a true Godly standard.
A person worshiping the catholic trinity, might as well worship
rocks, or goats, or dogs or trees; they are basing their religion
on a figment of human imagination, rather than the God of the
Bible.
Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons
of Jacob are not consumed.
Isaiah 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and
from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and
there is none else.
Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take
counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who
hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no
God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none
beside me.
The trinity requires two other separate persons here.
Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall
see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of
the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
(Notice it says HIM not THEM)...
Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the
ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to
come, the Almighty.
(Jesus IS the Almighty)....
Isaiah 43:3 For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel,
thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for
thee.
Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, sayeth the Lord, and my
servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and
understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed,
neither shall there be after me.
Isaiah 43:11 I, [even] I, [am] the LORD; and beside me [there is]
no saviour.
(God came to earth to be the saviour)....
Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring [them] near; yea, let them take
counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? [who]
hath told it from that time? [have] not I the LORD? and [there
is] no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; [there is]
none beside me.
(Trinity says there are three persons here)...
Hosea 13:4 Yet I [am] the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt,
and thou shalt know no god but me: for [there is] no saviour
beside me.
(God is the only savior)....
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with
you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me
hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the
Father?
(Of course Jesus IS the Father, come to be the saviour)...
Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
("Which faith are you?" ever heard that?)...
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for
ever.
(Jesus has always been Alpha and Omega)...
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:
and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall
be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting
Father, The Prince of Peace.
(This says that the child to be born is The Mighty God)
Jer 16:20 Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no
Gods?"
Deut 4:35 Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that
the Lord he is God; there is none else beside him.
Deut 4:39 Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine
heart, that the Lord he is God in heaven above, and upon the
earth beneath; there is none else.
Deut 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and THERE IS NO
GOD WITH ME: I kill, and I make alive; I wound and I heal:
neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the Lord, the King of Israel, and his
redeemer the Lord of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last,
and BESIDE ME THERE IS NO GOD.
Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that
formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things;
that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad
the earth BY MYSELF;
Isaiah 45:5 ¶ I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no
God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the
west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is
none else.
I Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of
godliness: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, justified in the
Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on
in the world, received up into glory.
I John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid
down HIS LIFE for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the
brethren.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with
you, and yet HAST THOU NOT KNOWN ME, Phillip? HE THAT HATH SEEN
ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the
Father?
Pastor Steve Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.onenesschristian.org for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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| User: "Lance S. Ferm" |
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| Title: Re: Which Jesus |
28 Feb 2004 07:50:51 PM |
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Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD (the Son) rained brimstone and fire on Sodom
and Gomorrah, FROM the LORD (the Father) out of the heavens.
http://www.truthandgrace.com
"Heretic Winter JNAHC" <steverdeceiver@prime.org> wrote in message
news:8f5r30t1enp2ol5epjk0p09a2vf4pco122@4ax.com...
There is only one God and He is ONE person, not three, and his
name is Jesus. Sadly, there are many who are not worshiping the
Jesus of the Bible, who, according to the scripture IS the
everlasting Father. These poor souls are worshiping a figment of
carnal human imagination, a man made "Jesus", that is a separate
person from God, or just merely a part of God. In their vain
imagination they mold their "Jesus" to fit their personal
concepts, they manufacture a fable of a "Jesus" that will just
overlook unrepented sins and just take any and everything into
heaven.
They confuse emotional titillations with spiritual activity. They
prefer dewey eyed fables over the Word of God.
An idol need not be a manmade "icon" or statue; a mental concept
can also be an idol god, just as much as a statue of a golden
calf. It has always been the carnal nature to manufacture a god
that fit rather than measuring up to a true Godly standard.
A person worshiping the catholic trinity, might as well worship
rocks, or goats, or dogs or trees; they are basing their religion
on a figment of human imagination, rather than the God of the
Bible.
Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons
of Jacob are not consumed.
Isaiah 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and
from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and
there is none else.
Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take
counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who
hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no
God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none
beside me.
The trinity requires two other separate persons here.
Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall
see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of
the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
(Notice it says HIM not THEM)...
Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the
ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to
come, the Almighty.
(Jesus IS the Almighty)....
Isaiah 43:3 For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel,
thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for
thee.
Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, sayeth the Lord, and my
servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and
understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed,
neither shall there be after me.
Isaiah 43:11 I, [even] I, [am] the LORD; and beside me [there is]
no saviour.
(God came to earth to be the saviour)....
Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring [them] near; yea, let them take
counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? [who]
hath told it from that time? [have] not I the LORD? and [there
is] no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; [there is]
none beside me.
(Trinity says there are three persons here)...
Hosea 13:4 Yet I [am] the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt,
and thou shalt know no god but me: for [there is] no saviour
beside me.
(God is the only savior)....
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with
you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me
hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the
Father?
(Of course Jesus IS the Father, come to be the saviour)...
Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
("Which faith are you?" ever heard that?)...
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for
ever.
(Jesus has always been Alpha and Omega)...
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:
and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall
be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting
Father, The Prince of Peace.
(This says that the child to be born is The Mighty God)
Jer 16:20 Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no
Gods?"
Deut 4:35 Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that
the Lord he is God; there is none else beside him.
Deut 4:39 Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine
heart, that the Lord he is God in heaven above, and upon the
earth beneath; there is none else.
Deut 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and THERE IS NO
GOD WITH ME: I kill, and I make alive; I wound and I heal:
neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the Lord, the King of Israel, and his
redeemer the Lord of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last,
and BESIDE ME THERE IS NO GOD.
Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that
formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things;
that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad
the earth BY MYSELF;
Isaiah 45:5 ¶ I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no
God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the
west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is
none else.
I Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of
godliness: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, justified in the
Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on
in the world, received up into glory.
I John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid
down HIS LIFE for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the
brethren.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with
you, and yet HAST THOU NOT KNOWN ME, Phillip? HE THAT HATH SEEN
ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the
Father?
Pastor Steve Winter
--
Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.onenesschristian.org for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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| User: "Pastor Winter JNAHC" |
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| Title: Re: Which Jesus |
29 Feb 2004 02:09:11 PM |
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"Lance S. Ferm" <cultbuster@earthlink.net> spake thusly and
wrote:
Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD (the Son) rained brimstone and
fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, FROM the LORD (the Father) out
of the heavens.
Wow, it is really good when accursed, deceiving, false-christian
scum like Lance S. Ferm confirm their polytheism and dishonesty
like that.
Of course they have to add in their own words even to their "roll
your own" scripture to "prove" their point. Let's look at the
real Bible verse since we certainly not trust some scripture
twisting false-christian scum like Lance S. Ferm to even quote
scripture accurately.
Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon
Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
Let us also look at the verse with the Strongs numbering
since the filthy false-christian scum Lance S. Ferm wants
us to believe that the word "LORD" comes from two different
Hebrew words in verse 24.
Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD <03068> rained <04305> (8689) upon
Sodom <05467> and upon Gomorrah <06017> brimstone <01614> and
fire <0784> from the LORD <03068> out of heaven <08064>;
Well well, it sure looks like the false-christian scum Lance S.
Ferm is quite the liar.
03068 Y@hovah {yeh-ho-vaw’}
from 01961; TWOT - 484a; n pr dei
AV - LORD 6510, GOD 4, JEHOVAH 4, variant 1; 6519
Jehovah = "the existing One"
1) the proper name of the one true God
1a) unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of 0136
LORD is translated from the EXACT SAME Hebrew word 03068
These accursed trinitarian false-christian scum like Lance S.
Ferm think nothing of lying to you in their campaign to decieve
you into hell with them. They serve their father who is the
father of lies.
Pastor Winter
--
Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.onenesschristian.org for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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28 Feb 2004 11:08:13 PM |
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"Lance S. Ferm" wrote:
Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD (the Son) rained brimstone and fire on Sodom
and Gomorrah, FROM the LORD (the Father) out of the heavens.
===>Baby god is as vicious as daddy god?
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| User: "TehGhodTrole" |
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28 Feb 2004 11:11:03 PM |
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Libertarius wrote:
"Lance S. Ferm" wrote:
Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD (the Son) rained brimstone and fire on
Sodom and Gomorrah, FROM the LORD (the Father) out of the heavens.
===>Baby god is as vicious as daddy god?
Incorrect inference. It may have been a merciful act that may have prevented
the early appearance of HIV/AIDS.
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TehGhodTrole: Trolling, for God's sake.
Your Free Insult: Jesus loves you.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Which Jesus |
28 Feb 2004 11:18:14 PM |
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TehGhodTrole wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
"Lance S. Ferm" wrote:
Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD (the Son) rained brimstone and fire on
Sodom and Gomorrah, FROM the LORD (the Father) out of the heavens.
===>Baby god is as vicious as daddy god?
Incorrect inference. It may have been a merciful act that may have prevented
the early appearance of HIV/AIDS.
===>What makes you think so?
And why was the DISEASE not eradicated instead of some people?
What is "merciful" about it?
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| User: "TehGhodTrole" |
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29 Feb 2004 12:04:26 AM |
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Libertarius wrote:
TehGhodTrole wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
"Lance S. Ferm" wrote:
Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD (the Son) rained brimstone and fire on
Sodom and Gomorrah, FROM the LORD (the Father) out of the heavens.
===>Baby god is as vicious as daddy god?
Incorrect inference. It may have been a merciful act that may have
prevented the early appearance of HIV/AIDS.
===>What makes you think so?
I neither wrote any such thing directly nor did I remotely imply any
such thing that would require that question to be posed, despite the
obvious connotation that you somehow see a connection to some belief
or misconception that patently not there at all.
May \May\, v. [imp. Might] [AS. pres. m[ae]g I am able, pret.
meahte, mihte; akin to D. mogen, G. m["o]gen, OHG. mugan,
magan, Icel. mega, Goth. magan, Russ. moche. ?. Cf. Dismay,
Main strength, Might. The old imp. mought is obsolete,
except as a provincial word.]
(a) Ability, competency, or possibility;
(b) Contingency or liability; possibility or probability.
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TehGhodTrole: Trolling, for God's sake.
Your Free Insult: Jesus loves you.
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| User: "Mike Rhodes" |
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01 Mar 2004 09:50:23 PM |
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On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 22:08:13 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
"Lance S. Ferm" wrote:
Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD (the Son) rained brimstone and fire on Sodom
and Gomorrah, FROM the LORD (the Father) out of the heavens.
===>Baby god is as vicious as daddy god?
Generally speaking, some may say not enough. This is a valid
response. So... "Oh, God! Please be real vicious!" (Amen.)
As for Sodom, etc, there were complaints from the surrounding area.
Having read the story I don't have difficulty determining which side
I'm on. As for you, it is apparent you have not read it (unlikely),
or take the perverse side (could be), (and)/or you choose to disdain
the whole thing (for what purpose?).
But I do not believe you are setting forth your case in a
respectable manner, to assist the convincing others. Is it such a
hopeless case? Or is something biting you? Libertarius, you're a
noise-maker, and I can't see that it's done you personally much good.
Depth! That's what we want! But it requires a certain amount of
sacrifice to really get into the context, and not all of that is from
sweating over the books.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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01 Mar 2004 09:58:56 PM |
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Mike Rhodes wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 22:08:13 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
"Lance S. Ferm" wrote:
Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD (the Son) rained brimstone and fire on Sodom
and Gomorrah, FROM the LORD (the Father) out of the heavens.
===>Baby god is as vicious as daddy god?
Generally speaking, some may say not enough. This is a valid
response. So... "Oh, God! Please be real vicious!" (Amen.)
As for Sodom, etc, there were complaints from the surrounding area.
Having read the story I don't have difficulty determining which side
I'm on. As for you, it is apparent you have not read it (unlikely),
or take the perverse side (could be), (and)/or you choose to disdain
the whole thing (for what purpose?).
But I do not believe you are setting forth your case in a
respectable manner, to assist the convincing others. Is it such a
hopeless case? Or is something biting you? Libertarius, you're a
noise-maker, and I can't see that it's done you personally much good.
Depth! That's what we want! But it requires a certain amount of
sacrifice to really get into the context, and not all of that is from
sweating over the books.
===>Just like the story of the Tower of Babel or the "fall of Jericho",
the story of Sodoma and Gomorra are pure fiction, designed to
explain certain observed phenomena. What you call "depth" is
nothing but your immersion in superficiality. -- L.
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29 Feb 2004 02:56:22 PM |
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I snipped the whole thing, just to answer this one question:
--
Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
n.org for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
Have YOU obeyed Matthew 28:19 as JESUS taught?
Perhaps you should.
in the Name of Jesus,
Christian
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| User: "Pastor Winter JNAHC" |
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| Title: Re: Which Jesus |
29 Feb 2004 11:13:07 PM |
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spake thusly and wrote:
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
Have YOU obeyed Matthew 28:19 as JESUS taught?
Perhaps you should.
The false-christian scum posting as
thinks that Matt 28:19 supports his polytheism.
The irony is that we real Oneness Christians who were
baptised in Jesus NAME are the real obeyers of Matt 28:19.
False-christian scum like merely parrot
or "chant" the verse rather than obeying it.
John 5:43 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not:
if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt
call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their
sins.
Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and
bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing
them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy
Ghost:
In order to obey Matt 28:19 one MUST be aware of the name that
Jesus was referring to. Merely chanting the Bible verse like
the trinitarians do is not the same as obeying it.
The Apostles obeyed Jesus and used the NAME that Jesus was
referring to. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are not names but
rather they are used to specify which NAME that Jesus wanted to
be used.
"Father" is not a NAME, there are many fathers (who also have
names).
"Son" is not a NAME, there are many sons (who also have names).
"Holy Spirit" is not a NAME, and Lord knows that there are a
*bunch* of demons and spirits running around "pretending" to be
"holy" (to numerous to name, but one third of the angels).
Jesus Christ is a NAME. And it is a name that the false churches
hate (at least in baptism, where it counts!).
Look also at the previous verse:
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All
power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
If there were any other "god squad members" they would be
powerless.
Some 3 god cultists will actually use the name of Jesus in what
they perceive to be an insult. They will call the true ONE GOD
Apostolic Christians "Jesus only" (and they mean it as an insult
because they actually believe in three separate Catholic gods).
Notice carefully that in Matt 28:19 Jesus said 'name' (singular)
and not 'names' (plural). For those (like the Apostles) that
only believe in ONE GOD, baptism in a singular name does not
present a problem (ONE GOD, ONE NAME).
To find out what the NAME is that fits the ONE GOD who manifested
Himself as "Father"(Spirit) and as "Son"(Flesh) and as "Holy
Spirit"(Spirit of Christ to indwell saints); we can look and see
how the Apostles baptised. The Apostles always baptised in the
name of their God. The Bible says that there is only one name
that can save:
Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of
Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye
crucified, whom God raised from the dead, [even] by him doth this
man stand here before you whole.
Acts 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you
builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is
none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be
saved.
There is only one God, and there is only one saving NAME.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized
every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission
of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Water Baptism in Jesus name remits sins.
Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things
concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they
were baptized, both men and women.
People who BELIEVE in the NAME are baptised in that NAME. The
next verse shows how the folks in verse 12 were baptised
Acts 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they
were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Acts 15:26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our
Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 16:18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved,
turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of
Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.
There is POWER in the NAME (that is why the devil and his
ministers like fight against Jesus name
baptism).
Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism
of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe
on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Acts 19:5 When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name
of the Lord Jesus.
Those who "believed on the name" were baptised in that name.
Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid [his] hands upon them, the Holy
Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts 19:17 And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also
dwelling at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of
the Lord Jesus was magnified.
Notice also the dire warning against the trinity in the Word
of God and how it is a SPOILER of the souls of men.
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy
and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments
of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all
principality and power:
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made
without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh
by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with
him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised
him from the dead.
The false-christian dirt like haven't
really obeyed Matt 28:19 since they reject Jesus Name Baptism.
Pastor Steve Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.onenesschristian.org for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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| Title: restored the accidently dropped groups you did to help save band width Re: Which Jesus |
01 Mar 2004 12:38:28 AM |
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"Pastor Winter JNAHC" <steve.NO-SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message
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spake thusly and wrote:
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
Have YOU obeyed Matthew 28:19 as JESUS taught?
Perhaps you should.
The false-christian scum posting as
thinks that Matt 28:19 supports his polytheism.
um actually good pastor there are people on usenet that could dust your
"theology" in a heart beat. I was wondering why you have not obeyed John 6,
matthew 25, or mark 16 9-19 ?
The irony is that we real Oneness Christians who were
baptised in Jesus NAME are the real obeyers of Matt 28:19.
False-christian scum like merely parrot
or "chant" the verse rather than obeying it.
John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not:
if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt
call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their
sins.
Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and
bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing
them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy
Ghost:
In order to obey Matt 28:19 one MUST be aware of the name that
Jesus was referring to. Merely chanting the Bible verse like
the trinitarians do is not the same as obeying it.
The Apostles obeyed Jesus and used the NAME that Jesus was
referring to. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are not names but
rather they are used to specify which NAME that Jesus wanted to
be used.
"Father" is not a NAME, there are many fathers (who also have
names).
"Son" is not a NAME, there are many sons (who also have names).
"Holy Spirit" is not a NAME, and Lord knows that there are a
*bunch* of demons and spirits running around "pretending" to be
"holy" (to numerous to name, but one third of the angels).
Jesus Christ is a NAME. And it is a name that the false churches
hate (at least in baptism, where it counts!).
Look also at the previous verse:
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All
power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
If there were any other "god squad members" they would be
powerless.
Some 3 god cultists will actually use the name of Jesus in what
they perceive to be an insult. They will call the true ONE GOD
Apostolic Christians "Jesus only" (and they mean it as an insult
because they actually believe in three separate Catholic gods).
Notice carefully that in Matt 28:19 Jesus said 'name' (singular)
and not 'names' (plural). For those (like the Apostles) that
only believe in ONE GOD, baptism in a singular name does not
present a problem (ONE GOD, ONE NAME).
To find out what the NAME is that fits the ONE GOD who manifested
Himself as "Father"(Spirit) and as "Son"(Flesh) and as "Holy
Spirit"(Spirit of Christ to indwell saints); we can look and see
how the Apostles baptised. The Apostles always baptised in the
name of their God. The Bible says that there is only one name
that can save:
Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of
Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye
crucified, whom God raised from the dead, [even] by him doth this
man stand here before you whole.
Acts 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you
builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is
none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be
saved.
There is only one God, and there is only one saving NAME.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized
every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission
of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Water Baptism in Jesus name remits sins.
Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things
concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they
were baptized, both men and women.
People who BELIEVE in the NAME are baptised in that NAME. The
next verse shows how the folks in verse 12 were baptised
Acts 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they
were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Acts 15:26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our
Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 16:18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved,
turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of
Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.
There is POWER in the NAME (that is why the devil and his
ministers like fight against Jesus name
baptism).
Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism
of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe
on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Acts 19:5 When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name
of the Lord Jesus.
Those who "believed on the name" were baptised in that name.
Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid [his] hands upon them, the Holy
Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts 19:17 And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also
dwelling at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of
the Lord Jesus was magnified.
Notice also the dire warning against the trinity in the Word
of God and how it is a SPOILER of the souls of men.
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy
and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments
of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all
principality and power:
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made
without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh
by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with
him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised
him from the dead.
The false-christian dirt like haven't
really obeyed Matt 28:19 since they reject Jesus Name Baptism.
Pastor Steve Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.onenesschristian.org for Bible studies (text and audio)
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brian wrote:
"Pastor Winter JNAHC" <steve.NO-SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message
um actually good pastor there are people on usenet that could dust
your "theology" in a heart beat. I was wondering why you have not
obeyed John 6, matthew 25, or mark 16 9-19 ?
All you need do is point to this:
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Pentecostal
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TehGhodTrole: Trolling, for God's sake.
Your Free Insult: Jesus loves you.
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On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 13:56:22 -0700, wrote:
I snipped the whole thing, just to answer this one question:
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
n.org for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
Have YOU obeyed Matthew 28:19 as JESUS taught?
Funny, but when that verse is read, you see that is not in the Father,
Son, and Holy Ghost, but in the NAME of the Father, Son, and Holy
Ghost, and the word 'name' is in the singular sense, implying a
singular name.
Now, if we continue reading throughout the Acts of the Apostles, how
do these men, the very ones who had been with Jesus, baptized? It was
only in the name of Jesus Christ. So, your question is invalid if a
person has been baptized in that precious name, and not in the
descriptive titles of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
Perhaps you should.
in the Name of Jesus,
Christian
You sign your posts in that precious name, yet have not the name
unless you have taken the name in baptism. So, please, do not call
yourself a Christian, but "Self-religous" might be better.
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01 Mar 2004 08:53:20 AM |
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Hello William Price <fatcatapostolic@houston.rr.com>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian :
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 13:56:22 -0700, wrote:
I snipped the whole thing, just to answer this one question:
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
n.org for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
Have YOU obeyed Matthew 28:19 as JESUS taught?
Funny, but when that verse is read, you see that is not in the Father,
Son, and Holy Ghost, but in the NAME of the Father, Son, and Holy
Ghost, and the word 'name' is in the singular sense, implying a
singular name.
OR
It is "in the name" in the sense of doing something "by the authority
of."
The Father's NAME is "YHWH," not Jesus.
The Holy Spirit HAS NO NAME.
BUT
when we baptize IN THE NAME OF the Father, the Son, and the Holy
Spirit, it is AS JESUS SAID TO DO. He did NOT SAY to "reinvent" what
that name is, or to do ANYTHING other than to baptize "IN THE NAME OF
the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit," so to pretend that to do it
that way is wrong is a lie.
Now, if we continue reading throughout the Acts of the Apostles, how
do these men, the very ones who had been with Jesus, baptized? It was
only in the name of Jesus Christ. So, your question is invalid if a
person has been baptized in that precious name, and not in the
descriptive titles of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
So if we do it Jesus' way, we are wrong? Or is it that if we do it
Jesus' way, we ARE baptizing in His Name?
You cannot ignore the fact that THAT IS HOW HE SAID TO DO IT.
"Redefining" it doesn't change what He told us to do.
Perhaps you should.
in the Name of Jesus,
Christian
You sign your posts in that precious name, yet have not the name
unless you have taken the name in baptism. So, please, do not call
yourself a Christian, but "Self-religous" might be better.
I sign my posts in Jesus' Name because Jesus is my Lord and Savior,
and I gave my entire life to Him over 30 years ago.
The fact is that I was baptized, "In the Name of the Father, and of
the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, IN THE NAME OF JESUS. . ." both ways,
because I knew it would cause a friend to stumble if the last part
were left off, and I baptized my wife and children the same way, for
the same reason.
So don't assume too much foolishness about me; it doesn't work.
And NOBODY IN THE WHOLE BIBLE EVER PRONOUNCED A WORD, "JEEZUS" over
anyone in baptism EVER!
They either said, "Iesous" (pronounced "Yaysoos,") or "Y'shua"
(pronounced "Yshooah"), the REAL NAMES that might apply, not an
English "Anglicization" of His name. So IF THE PRONUNCIATION OF THE
"RIGHT" NAME IS SO IMPORTANT, you should do it right or not at all!
in the Name of Jesus,
Christian
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01 Mar 2004 10:35:37 PM |
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spake thusly and wrote:
The Father's NAME is "YHWH," not Jesus.
The Holy Spirit HAS NO NAME.
The false-christian scum again
displays the ignorance required to be a happy false-christian
scum.
To be a happy false-christian scum like
You have to ignore a lot of scripture.
John 5:43 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not:
if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
The trinitarians will accept the antichrist.
John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot
receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye
know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 ¶ I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Jesus identifies Himself as the Spirit of truth, the Comfortor,
the Holy Ghost.
To be a happy false-christian scum like
You have to ignore a lot of scripture.
Pastor Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.onenesschristian.org for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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| User: "mark evins" |
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02 Mar 2004 07:49:00 AM |
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Pastor Winter JNAHC <steve.NO-SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message news:<2e3840t62a7uigejlm4jt04vol98st5ofv@4ax.com>...
spake thusly and wrote:
The Father's NAME is "YHWH," not Jesus.
The Holy Spirit HAS NO NAME.
The false-christian scum again
displays the ignorance required to be a happy false-christian
scum.
To be a happy false-christian scum like
You have to ignore a lot of scripture.
John 5:43 I am come in my Father?s name, and ye receive me not:
if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
The trinitarians will accept the antichrist.
Considering that in context this refers to John, who baptised Jesus
for remission of sin, and that this speech by Jesus refers to "the"
father and "my" father, it's reasonable to conclude that Jesus was, as
he claimed to be, a man bearing a message from god rather than god
itself.
Your conclusion implies that John was the antichrist.
John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot
receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye
know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 ¶ I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Jesus identifies Himself as the Spirit of truth, the Comfortor,
the Holy Ghost.
John 14:19 "In a little while the world will see me no more, but you
will see me; and because I live, you also will live. 20 When that day
comes, you will know that I am in my father and that you are in me,
just as I am in you."
So, by claiming that Jesus is god because he is in his father, then we
are also gods because we are in Jesus and he is in us; so we all are
the spirit of truth, the comfortors and the holy ghosts.
That's gnosticism at it's finest.
To be a happy false-christian scum like
You have to ignore a lot of scripture.
To worship Jesus instead of god you have to ignore a lot of scripture.
To separate yourself from god you have to ignore a lot of scripture.
To follow the doctrine of any christian sect you have to ignore a lot
of scripture.
Get over yourself.
Pastor Winter
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02 Mar 2004 08:41:41 PM |
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(mark evins) spake thusly and wrote:
To worship Jesus instead of god you have to ignore a
lot of scripture.
I think the devilish Mark Evins has shown us enough
of his heart here. Isn't it interesting the filth
that would try to defend a devil like
It is good when the false-christian filth admit that
they do not believe that Jesus is really God. I already
knew that the trintos reject Jesus Christ.
Pastor Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.onenesschristian.org for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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| User: "mark evins" |
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03 Mar 2004 10:56:50 AM |
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Pastor Winter JNAHC <steve.NO-SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message news:<7bha40l0lhfiucc7e88pd5tifu0t9ns5mo@4ax.com>...
mark_evins@sbcglobal.net (mark evins) spake thusly and wrote:
To worship Jesus instead of god you have to ignore a
lot of scripture.
I think the devilish Mark Evins has shown us enough
of his heart here. Isn't it interesting the filth
that would try to defend a devil like
Interesting that you should attack me instead of responding to my
post.
Your quoted passages and Your stated interpretation claims that John
the Baptist was the anti-christ.
Your own words make all of us god, but you call me devilish.
Curious.
It is good when the false-christian filth admit that
they do not believe that Jesus is really God. I already
knew that the trintos reject Jesus Christ.
It's good when you admit that you don't worship god. Kinda tells us
all where you stand.
Pastor Winter
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03 Mar 2004 12:55:57 PM |
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(mark evins) spake thusly and wrote:
Interesting that you should attack me instead of responding to my
post.
You showed yourself for the deceiving scum that you are
when you denied the deity of Jesus Christ.
Your quoted passages and Your stated interpretation claims that John
the Baptist was the anti-christ.
You are a liar too. You are the scum denying Christ, not
John The Baptist.
Pastor Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.onenesschristian.org for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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| User: "brian" |
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03 Mar 2004 07:34:43 PM |
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I think I got them all. Mayb have missed a few
"Pastor Winter JNAHC" <steve.NO-SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message
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mark_evins@sbcglobal.net (mark evins) spake thusly and wrote:
Interesting that you should attack me instead of responding to my
post.
You showed yourself for the deceiving scum that you are
when you denied the deity of Jesus Christ.
Your quoted passages and Your stated interpretation claims that John
the Baptist was the anti-christ.
You are a liar too. You are the scum denying Christ, not
John The Baptist.
At least he does not redirect followups to non read news group and then say
its to save on bandwidth.
Pastor Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.onenesschristian.org for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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04 Mar 2004 05:32:09 AM |
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Pastor Winter JNAHC <steve.NO-SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message news:<afac40tqlb8eo7bvttkk6c09mr9202tkju@4ax.com>...
mark_evins@sbcglobal.net (mark evins) spake thusly and wrote:
Interesting that you should attack me instead of responding to my
post.
You showed yourself for the deceiving scum that you are
when you denied the deity of Jesus Christ.
This is interesting; where did I do that? Let's see if you can
actually understand statements in context.
Your quoted passages and Your stated interpretation claims that John
the Baptist was the anti-christ.
You are a liar too. You are the scum denying Christ, not
John The Baptist.
You're mistaken; I don't deny any scum, I'm not Christ and I never
claimed that John denied scum, either.
But why don't you tell us how it is that your post doesn't conclude
that John was the anti-christ and that we are all god?
Because you can't?
Those are powerful interpretations, and you bear false witness in
calling me a liar about it.
Pastor Winter
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05 Mar 2004 01:50:52 PM |
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(mark evins) spake thusly and wrote:
You showed yourself for the deceiving scum that you are
when you denied the deity of Jesus Christ.
This is interesting; where did I do that? Let's see if you can
actually understand statements in context.
Sure scum, here you go:
(mark evins) spake thusly and wrote:
Message-ID: <98dfe5f1.0403020549.5d4c187a@posting.google.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.71.151.92
<snip>
To worship Jesus instead of god you have to ignore a
lot of scripture.
<snip>
Mark Evins stated: "To worship Jesus instead of god you have to
ignore a lot of scripture."
What is with these net scum Mark Evins that they will try to lie
about that they have already published worldwide?
Pastor Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.onenesschristian.org for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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05 Mar 2004 07:23:45 PM |
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"Pastor Winter JNAHC" <steve.NO-SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message
news:3dmh401rdaqia8kkd6eujm2egmg5b44n8d@4ax.com...
mark_evins@sbcglobal.net (mark evins) spake thusly and wrote:
You showed yourself for the deceiving scum that you are
when you denied the deity of Jesus Christ.
This is interesting; where did I do that? Let's see if you can
actually understand statements in context.
Sure scum, here you go:
are you impressed with the way you treat people ?
mark_evins@sbcglobal.net (mark evins) spake thusly and wrote:
Message-ID: <98dfe5f1.0403020549.5d4c187a@posting.google.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.71.151.92
<snip>
To worship Jesus instead of god you have to ignore a
lot of scripture.
<snip>
Mark Evins stated: "To worship Jesus instead of god you have to
ignore a lot of scripture."
What is with these net scum Mark Evins that they will try to lie
about that they have already published worldwide?
Pastor Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.onenesschristian.org for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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05 Mar 2004 08:18:15 PM |
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Pastor Winter JNAHC <steve.NO-SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message news:<3dmh401rdaqia8kkd6eujm2egmg5b44n8d@4ax.com>...
mark_evins@sbcglobal.net (mark evins) spake thusly and wrote:
You showed yourself for the deceiving scum that you are
when you denied the deity of Jesus Christ.
This is interesting; where did I do that? Let's see if you can
actually understand statements in context.
Sure scum, here you go:
mark_evins@sbcglobal.net (mark evins) spake thusly and wrote:
Message-ID: <98dfe5f1.0403020549.5d4c187a@posting.google.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.71.151.92
<snip>
To worship Jesus instead of god you have to ignore a
lot of scripture.
<snip>
Mark Evins stated: "To worship Jesus instead of god you have to
ignore a lot of scripture."
What is with these net scum Mark Evins that they will try to lie
about that they have already published worldwide?
You snipped out the rest of it, neighbor.
"To worship Jesus instead of god you have to ignore a lot of
scripture.
To separate yourself from god you have to ignore a lot of scripture.
To follow the doctrine of any christian sect you have to ignore a lot
of scripture."
Which sect of christianity do you follow, Winter? Whichever it is, you
have to ignore a lot of scripture.
But that part you can't answer, can you?
Pastor Winter
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05 Mar 2004 08:51:37 PM |
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"mark evins" <mark_evins@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:98dfe5f1.0403051818.42e947d1@posting.google.com...
Pastor Winter JNAHC <steve.NO-SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message
news:<3dmh401rdaqia8kkd6eujm2egmg5b44n8d@4ax.com>...
mark_evins@sbcglobal.net (mark evins) spake thusly and wrote:
You showed yourself for the deceiving scum that you are
when you denied the deity of Jesus Christ.
This is interesting; where did I do that? Let's see if you can
actually understand statements in context.
Sure scum, here you go:
mark_evins@sbcglobal.net (mark evins) spake thusly and wrote:
Message-ID: <98dfe5f1.0403020549.5d4c187a@posting.google.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.71.151.92
<snip>
To worship Jesus instead of god you have to ignore a
lot of scripture.
<snip>
Mark Evins stated: "To worship Jesus instead of god you have to
ignore a lot of scripture."
What is with these net scum Mark Evins that they will try to lie
about that they have already published worldwide?
You snipped out the rest of it, neighbor.
"To worship Jesus instead of god you have to ignore a lot of
scripture.
To separate yourself from god you have to ignore a lot of scripture.
To follow the doctrine of any christian sect you have to ignore a lot
of scripture."
Which sect of christianity do you follow, Winter? Whichever it is, you
have to ignore a lot of scripture.
But that part you can't answer, can you?
Just a suggestion, do not email this person. the good pastor follows his
sect. If you wish to see other issues about this person go a google search
on his name.
Pastor Winter
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01 Mar 2004 07:34:46 PM |
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So, the rest of the Bible is in complete error? Is this what you are
saying? If this is the case, then you are a liar and reprobate against
the Word. The Word reinforces and verifies the Word. If Jesus taught
it, then the Apostles did it, or are they liars as well???
This infuriates me to a "T"! These men call the Apostles a liar, thus
are saying that the Bible is a lie! C'mon folks, this is as
anti-Messiah as one can get!
On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 07:53:20 -0700, wrote:
Hello William Price <fatcatapostolic@houston.rr.com>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian :
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 13:56:22 -0700, wrote:
I snipped the whole thing, just to answer this one question:
--
Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
n.org for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
Have YOU obeyed Matthew 28:19 as JESUS taught?
Funny, but when that verse is read, you see that is not in the Father,
Son, and Holy Ghost, but in the NAME of the Father, Son, and Holy
Ghost, and the word 'name' is in the singular sense, implying a
singular name.
OR
It is "in the name" in the sense of doing something "by the authority
of."
The Father's NAME is "YHWH," not Jesus.
The Holy Spirit HAS NO NAME.
BUT
when we baptize IN THE NAME OF the Father, the Son, and the Holy
Spirit, it is AS JESUS SAID TO DO. He did NOT SAY to "reinvent" what
that name is, or to do ANYTHING other than to baptize "IN THE NAME OF
the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit," so to pretend that to do it
that way is wrong is a lie.
Now, if we continue reading throughout the Acts of the Apostles, how
do these men, the very ones who had been with Jesus, baptized? It was
only in the name of Jesus Christ. So, your question is invalid if a
person has been baptized in that precious name, and not in the
descriptive titles of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
So if we do it Jesus' way, we are wrong? Or is it that if we do it
Jesus' way, we ARE baptizing in His Name?
You cannot ignore the fact that THAT IS HOW HE SAID TO DO IT.
"Redefining" it doesn't change what He told us to do.
Perhaps you should.
in the Name of Jesus,
Christian
You sign your posts in that precious name, yet have not the name
unless you have taken the name in baptism. So, please, do not call
yourself a Christian, but "Self-religous" might be better.
I sign my posts in Jesus' Name because Jesus is my Lord and Savior,
and I gave my entire life to Him over 30 years ago.
The fact is that I was baptized, "In the Name of the Father, and of
the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, IN THE NAME OF JESUS. . ." both ways,
because I knew it would cause a friend to stumble if the last part
were left off, and I baptized my wife and children the same way, for
the same reason.
So don't assume too much foolishness about me; it doesn't work.
And NOBODY IN THE WHOLE BIBLE EVER PRONOUNCED A WORD, "JEEZUS" over
anyone in baptism EVER!
They either said, "Iesous" (pronounced "Yaysoos,") or "Y'shua"
(pronounced "Yshooah"), the REAL NAMES that might apply, not an
English "Anglicization" of His name. So IF THE PRONUNCIATION OF THE
"RIGHT" NAME IS SO IMPORTANT, you should do it right or not at all!
in the Name of Jesus,
Christian
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02 Mar 2004 12:38:38 PM |
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Hello William Price <fatcatapostolic@houston.rr.com>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.pentecostal :
So, the rest of the Bible is in complete error? Is this what you are
saying? If this is the case, then you are a liar and reprobate against
the Word. The Word reinforces and verifies the Word. If Jesus taught
it, then the Apostles did it, or are they liars as well???
This infuriates me to a "T"! These men call the Apostles a liar, thus
are saying that the Bible is a lie! C'mon folks, this is as
anti-Messiah as one can get!
Oh get off your rant. You know I have never said that ONE SINGLE WORD
OF THE BIBLE WAS EVER IN ERROR.
What is it you are ranting against anyway? The fact that Jesus SAID
"in the Name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost?"
That is clearly there, in Matthew 28:19ff. No error there.
or
The fact that NONE OF OUR LORD'S FRIENDS OR RELATIVES EVER PRONOUNCED
HIS NAME "JEEZUS?"
That is Truth too. "Jesus" is a transliteration (look up that BIG
word), a CHANGE from one language into another.
it is NOT the original Name, but a CHANGED one.
Is THAT what bothers you?
IF the REAL NAME IS SO IMPORTANT, WHY CAN'T YOU BOTHER TOGET IT RIGHT?
In the Name of Jesus,
Christian
On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 07:53:20 -0700, wrote:
Hello William Price <fatcatapostolic@houston.rr.com>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian :
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 13:56:22 -0700, wrote:
I snipped the whole thing, just to answer this one question:
--
Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
n.org for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
Have YOU obeyed Matthew 28:19 as JESUS taught?
Funny, but when that verse is read, you see that is not in the Father,
Son, and Holy Ghost, but in the NAME of the Father, Son, and Holy
Ghost, and the word 'name' is in the singular sense, implying a
singular name.
OR
It is "in the name" in the sense of doing something "by the authority
of."
The Father's NAME is "YHWH," not Jesus.
The Holy Spirit HAS NO NAME.
BUT
when we baptize IN THE NAME OF the Father, the Son, and the Holy
Spirit, it is AS JESUS SAID TO DO. He did NOT SAY to "reinvent" what
that name is, or to do ANYTHING other than to baptize "IN THE NAME OF
the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit," so to pretend that to do it
that way is wrong is a lie.
Now, if we continue reading throughout the Acts of the Apostles, how
do these men, the very ones who had been with Jesus, baptized? It was
only in the name of Jesus Christ. So, your question is invalid if a
person has been baptized in that precious name, and not in the
descriptive titles of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
So if we do it Jesus' way, we are wrong? Or is it that if we do it
Jesus' way, we ARE baptizing in His Name?
You cannot ignore the fact that THAT IS HOW HE SAID TO DO IT.
"Redefining" it doesn't change what He told us to do.
Perhaps you should.
in the Name of Jesus,
Christian
You sign your posts in that precious name, yet have not the name
unless you have taken the name in baptism. So, please, do not call
yourself a Christian, but "Self-religous" might be better.
I sign my posts in Jesus' Name because Jesus is my Lord and Savior,
and I gave my entire life to Him over 30 years ago.
The fact is that I was baptized, "In the Name of the Father, and of
the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, IN THE NAME OF JESUS. . ." both ways,
because I knew it would cause a friend to stumble if the last part
were left off, and I baptized my wife and children the same way, for
the same reason.
So don't assume too much foolishness about me; it doesn't work.
And NOBODY IN THE WHOLE BIBLE EVER PRONOUNCED A WORD, "JEEZUS" over
anyone in baptism EVER!
They either said, "Iesous" (pronounced "Yaysoos,") or "Y'shua"
(pronounced "Yshooah"), the REAL NAMES that might apply, not an
English "Anglicization" of His name. So IF THE PRONUNCIATION OF THE
"RIGHT" NAME IS SO IMPORTANT, you should do it right or not at all!
in the Name of Jesus,
Christian
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02 Mar 2004 12:48:51 PM |
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On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 11:38:38 -0700,
christian@velocitus.net spake thusly:
Hello William Price <fatcatapostolic@houston.rr.com>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.pentecostal :
So, the rest of the Bible is in complete error? Is this what you are
saying? If this is the case, then you are a liar and reprobate against
the Word. The Word reinforces and verifies the Word. If Jesus taught
it, then the Apostles did it, or are they liars as well???
This infuriates me to a "T"! These men call the Apostles a liar, thus
are saying that the Bible is a lie! C'mon folks, this is as
anti-Messiah as one can get!
Oh get off your rant. You know I have never said that ONE SINGLE WORD
OF THE BIBLE WAS EVER IN ERROR.
What is it you are ranting against anyway? The fact that Jesus SAID
"in the Name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost?"
That is clearly there, in Matthew 28:19ff. No error there.
or
The fact that NONE OF OUR LORD'S FRIENDS OR RELATIVES EVER PRONOUNCED
HIS NAME "JEEZUS?"
That is Truth too. "Jesus" is a transliteration (look up that BIG
word), a CHANGE from one language into another.
it is NOT the original Name, but a CHANGED one.
Is THAT what bothers you?
IF the REAL NAME IS SO IMPORTANT, WHY CAN'T YOU BOTHER TOGET IT RIGHT?
In the Name of Jesus,
Christian
I'm sorry, I don't get what this argument is about.
Could you explain it to me please?
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"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
http://www.creationists.org/ervin.html
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| User: "The Last Church" |
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01 Mar 2004 09:03:57 PM |
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On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 01:34:46 GMT, William Price
<fatcatapostolic@houston.rr.com> wrote:
<The Word reinforces and verifies the Word.
<This infuriates me to a "T"!
Christ says, " I am a man like any man. Anything I do you
can all do." If you can't walk on water neither did Christ!
Christ:
"In all things you must separate the wheat from the chaff." The
lies from the truth, no where is that more important than in a bible.
geT iT ?
.."Orthodox Christians assembled the Bible not to bring all the gospels
together, but rather to hide the truth. From the plethora of Christian
gospels, Bishop Irenaeus compiled the first list of biblical writings
that resemble today's New Testament around 180 C.E. By 393 and 397,
Bishop Athanasius had a similar list ratified by the Church councils
of Hippo and Carthage. By prohibiting and burning any other writings,
the Catholic Church eventually gave the impression that this Bible and
its four canonized Gospels represented the only original Christian
view. And yet, as late as 450, Theodore of Cyrrhus said that there
were at least 200 different gospels circulating in his own diocese.
Even the Catholic Encyclopedia now admits that the "idea of a complete
and clear-cut canon of the New Testament existing from the
beginning... has no foundation in history."
"You know, it's very interesting to think of the history of
Christianity. During the first five centuries, there were lots of
Christianities, lots of ways of being Christian. And then, in the
period of Theodosius in the fourth century, the only religion allowed
in the Roman Empire was the Christian religion, and the only form of
Christianity allowed in the Roman Empire was the Christianity of
Byzantium's throne."
"From the very first centuries, what was to become Christian orthodoxy
vehemently suppressed those Christians of psychic, shamanic, or
visionary temperament called the Gnostics. The authorities of the
early institutional Church soon established a strict orthodoxy of
doctrine against to which all contrary views were stigmatized as
heretical. When in 313 the Emperor Constantine made Christianity the
official state religion, attempting to syncretize it with various
sun-god cults, Christianity was left to deal with the many cults that
swarmed within the Roman Empire. The monotheistic zeal to convert and
eradicate the diversity of polytheism gave the Church an authoritarian
character that has plagued the West ever since with schisms, councils,
inquisitions, and witch-hunts..."
"It may truly be said that the blackest and bloodiest records that
history can show us are the attacks of the Orthodox Church upon the
Gnostic mystics."
"The persecuted primitive Church of the second century was to become
in the fourth century itself the persecutor, and whereas in the
earlier period Gnostics had been able to engage in theological dispute
with the orthodox, later they were sought out, excommunicated, and
sometimes burnt alive for their heresy."
"... Christians burned down one of the world's greatest libraries in
Alexandria, said to have housed 700,000 rolls. All the books of the
Gnostic Basilides, Porphyry's 36 volumes, papyrus rolls of 27 schools
of the Mysteries, and 270,000 ancient documents gathered by Ptolemy
Philadelphus were burned. Ancient academies of learning were closed.
Education for anyone outside of the Church came to an end..."
"When the great library at Alexandria was ransacked by Christian
fanatics in 387... an inestimable wealth of gnostic literature must
have been destroyed. Until the nineteenth century the main source of
knowledge of Gnosticism was, ironically, in the writings of the Church
Fathers, who in their refutations summarised gnostic texts and often
quoted at length from them.
In the nineteenth and present centuries a number of original gnostic
texts came to light, the most sensational find being an entire library
of fifty-two texts discovered at Nag Hammadi in Upper Egypt in 1946.
These, scholars later ascertained, had belonged to an ascetic
Christian community which, fearing discovery by the ecclesiastical
authorities and the consequences of being charged with heresy, had
sealed up their forbidden library in a large jar and buried it in the
sand beneath a cliff near their monastery in about the year 360."
Back then you could get killed for knowing the truth.
ON THE SABBATH DAY
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy." -- Exodus 20:8
"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day
alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." -- Romans
14:5
ON THE PERMANENCY OF THE EARTH
"... the earth abideth for ever." -- Ecclesiastes 1:4
"... the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the
works that are therein shall be burned up." -- 2Peter 3:10
ON SEEING GOD
"... I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." --
Genesis 32:30
"No man hath seen God at any time..."-- John 1:18
ON HUMAN SACRIFICE
"... Thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to
Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God..." --
Leviticus 18:21
[In Judges, though, the tale of Jephthah, who led the Israelites
against the Ammonoites, is being told. Being fearful of defeat, this
good religious man sought to guarantee victory by getting god firmly
on his side. So he prayed to god] "... If thou shalt without fail
deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, Then it shall be, that
whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I
return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the
LORD's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering" (Judges
11:30-31).
[The terms were acceptable to god -- remember, he is supposed to be
omniscient and know the future -- so he gave victory to Jephthah, and
the first whatsoever that greeted him upon his glorious return was his
daughter, as god surely knew would happen, if god is god. True to his
vow, the general made a human sacrifice of his only child to god!] --
Judges 11:29-34
ON THE POWER OF GOD
"... with God all things are possible." -- Matthew 19:26
"...The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the
mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley,
because they had chariots of iron." -- Judges 1:19
ON DEALING WITH PERSONAL INJURY
"...thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand
for hand, foot for foot. burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe
for stripe. " -- Exodus 21:23-25
"...ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on the right
cheek, turn to him the other also." -- Matthew 5:39
ON CIRCUMCISION
"This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy
seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised." --
Genesis 17:10
"...if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing." --
Galatians 5:2
ON INCEST
"Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father,
or the daughter of this mother..." -- Deuteronomy 27:22
"And if a man shall take his sister, his father's daughter, or his
mother's daughter...it is a wicked thing...." -- Leviticus 20:17
[But what was god's reaction to Abraham, who married his sister -- his
father's daughter?] See Genesis 20:11-12
"And God said unto Abraham, As for Sara thy wife...I bless her, and
give thee a son also of her..." -- Genesis 17:15-16
ON TRUSTING GOD
"A good man obtaineth favour of the LORD..." -- Proverbs 12:2
Now consider the case of Job. After commissioning Satan to ruin Job
financially and to slaughter his shepherds and children to win a petty
bet with Satan. God asked Satan: "Hast thou considered my servant Job,
that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright
man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth
fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy
him without cause." -- Job 2:3
ON THE HOLY LIFE-STYLE
"Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry
heart..." -- Ecclesiastes 9:7
"...they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not..." -- 1
Corinthians 7:30
ON PUNISHING CRIME
"The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father..." -- Ezekiel
18:20
"I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the
fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation..." --
Exodus 20:5
ON TEMPTATION
"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God
cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." -- James
1:13
"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt
Abraham..." -- Genesis 22:1
ON FAMILY RELATIONSHIPS
"Honor thy father and thy mother..."-- Exodus 20:12
"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife,
and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also,
he cannot be my disciple. " -- Luke 14:26
ON RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD
"...he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. " -- Job
7:9
"...the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear
his voice, and shall come forth...." -- John 5:28-29
ON THE END OF THE WORLD
"Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not
taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. "
-- Matthew 16:28
"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all
be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not
pass away. " -- Luke 21:32-33
"And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of
sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The
night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the
works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light." -- Romans
13:11-12
"Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord
draweth nigh." -- James 5:8
"Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that
antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we
know that it is the last time." -- 1 John 2:18
"But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and
watch unto prayer." -- 1 Peter 4:7
These words were written between 1800 and 1900 years ago and were
meant to warn and prepare the first Christians for the immediate end
of the world. Some words are those supposedly straight out of the
mouth of the "Son of God." The world did not end 1800 or 1900 years
ago. All that generation passed away without any of the things
foretold coming to pass.
In the mind of Christ,
Michael
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A preacher is the blind
leading the blind...
The Last Church
http://www.thelastchurch.org
leahcim@thelastchurch.org
alt.religion.thelastchurch
alt.religion.the-last-church
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02 Mar 2004 12:42:48 PM |
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Hello The Last Church <bleahcim49@frontiernet.net>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.pentecostal :
On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 01:34:46 GMT, William Price
<fatcatapostolic@houston.rr.com> wrote:
<The Word reinforces and verifies the Word.
<This infuriates me to a "T"!
Christ says, " I am a man like any man. Anything I do you
can all do." If you can't walk on water neither did Christ!
He said NO SUCH THING! Why do you lie? Jesus is God. Can YOU create
a world with just your word? LOL!
Christ:
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