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Andrew W wrote:

HalleluJah!...All Hail Jah The Lord!...JEHOVAH is His name!

Jehovah is not a name. Its just a translation of the Hebrew YHVH which
basically means "I am that I am".
Its nothing but an ambiguous airy-fairy statement.

For God has sent his Word as a flesh arm to save us from death and
deliver us into eternal life!

You mean to save us from his always angry and homicidal self.

Job 13:5 O that ye would altogether hold your peace! and it should be
your wisdom.

A quaint and vague piece of esotericism.

Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner

Religion Schmeligion, only Jesus can forgive sins.

Jesus *is* religion.

Actually, Jesus is not religion and was in fact the antidote for
religion. The trouble was that religious minds looked it in the wrong way
and made it once again the bondage he came to set all free from.

That freedom is based on treaty your fellow man with love and tolerance,
with enemies like the Samaritans doing the kindred thing to another human
being in the parable of the good Samaritan. To do good always, and just
as importantly get good in your hearts as part of your thinking.

When Jesus said none come to Father but by him, he was meaning by his
ways. That is, the heart of hearts is where God is and that gives forth
in love to all around us. In fact when one does good to one, one does
good to God, for God is in all and through all.

Religion makes it crap. It makes it stink and it makes it lose the
practical side with rituals and other crap. Peace on earth will only
happen when we did what Jesus preached. That is to love one another, to
respect, to actually care for one another and encourage one another
instead of judging one another.

If we all see each other as part of the family of mankind, then
collectively we can work on the things which keep us hindered as
dysfunctionals. That we can in fact strive towards understanding the best
ways that all benefit. Such knowledge can be considered God's perfect
knowledge. While presently no system is perfect, all need to be modified
and all need to have it allowed in their system that they can be
modified, and its only with all this that we will eventually perfect the
systems that they DO WORK instead of say one thing and do another.

Jesus was the example to challenge the system and look for truth and seek
the rudimentary factors of getting along with love. If we have war in our
own self then we haev war in our household.

The ironic thing, sad as it is a joke of all jokes, is that
psychologically we need to feel forgiven and free in order to join with
God in spirit in our heart of hearts. That is God's will and God's gift
in the message of reconciliation, but religion has nullified it by the
crap.

When one's heart seeks to do the right thing, that is all that God
requires. When one has their hearts desire to be for the good of all,
then one is indeed praying without ceasing at an unconscious level and
also sowing in the spirit. If we all did this, we would be participating
in God rising up in our hearts and taking reign of the whole earth, and
making heaven come to earth in spirit of Jesus as sons of God.

Psychologically we would be knowing what the heck we are doing instead of
being airy fairy. The more we delve in logic as human beings, with
complexities like computer programs and the like, the closer we are
getting to reality of the truth in human beings and the spiritual factors
which make us who we are. God's will is always that we grow up and learn
and indeed become mature people and recognise that we are indeed children
of God and heirs to being gods in our own right under the laws of the
universe.

Remove religion, understand spirituality and science, and overcome the
rivalry of blind prejudice and we will indeed all know that the good we
want to do in our hearts is indeed God working in us. That is the
substance of all things forever and ever, past, present and future.

Jesus said, blessed is he who the master finds him treating his fellow
man well when the master returns.
What so ever we do the least we do unto God.

If we were doers with understanding, instead of believing in the systems
and religions, we would be making the world a better place. God's will of
uniting all mankind will come to pass despite religion and all its
judgemental and factors which make divisions.

We will not get world peace until we ready. Prophecy says it starts with
the second coming and goes for 1000 years. Practically we need to be
ready to receive it in our hearts. We need to want peace and we need to
be forgiving and encouraging to each and every individual in the world.
If we are not, then we are not ready and it will not come. This will mean
many violent will rise up to be killed until the rest which egg them on
are humbled past their hatred to want peace. In this we see all the other
horrible prophecies of war and death and famines from money spent on war
instead of on fellow man.

When the world starts to treat each person as important as each other,
and puts its money to nuture one another as a mother or father (not big
brother), then we will start to have the family of mankind reaching the
heights of heaven, in the way God wants us to, by growth.

As a branch on a tree needs to growth thick before it grows in length in
a balance else it will collapse under its own weight, likewise we need to
learn in order to build the foundations to be management capable. IT is
all learning, always was and always will be, and the most intelligent
being, God, knows that we need to learn before we are given the power as
gods.

www.worldpeace.mail333.com

PEeace

Ray

I agree with your post.
I believe that Jesus wanted to start a movement against the rich and
corrupt priests and money changers of the time, and to lift the standard
of living for the poor, sick and downtrodden.
But he made one mistake. He left this world far too soon, and as always
happens when a spiritual master leaves, people come along and take what
was given and twist it all around until there's hardly anything left of
the truth.
And if it then gets into the hands of a government like the corrupt Roman
govt. which is what happened, then it becomes politics.
It has also become very much a case of people focusing on and deifying the
messenger instead of just focussing on the message.

The thing I find funniest about Christianity is to do with your basic
message in this post which can be summed up with the following.
"When one does good to one, one does good to God", which is just a
variation of the golden rule.
The funny thing here is that this is basically just humanism.
Christianity is just a bit of humanism with a truckload of
ultra-authoritarian mysticism, myths and old middle eastern traditions
thrown in for padding.

--
Andrew W.

Beware of invisible entities that coerce you into a life of worship and
sacrifice.
Beware of any being who offers you a gift in the form of death and
suffering.
Beware of any religion that makes free-mindedness a crime.
Free-mindedness is foolishness to those whose brains are perishing.

Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner

"Ray M O'Keeffe" <raymokeeffe@888hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[snip]

Actually, Jesus is not religion and was in fact the antidote for
religion. The trouble was that religious minds looked it in the wrong way
and made it once again the bondage he came to set all free from.

That freedom is based on treaty your fellow man with love and tolerance,
with enemies like the Samaritans doing the kindred thing to another human
being in the parable of the good Samaritan. To do good always, and just
as importantly get good in your hearts as part of your thinking.

When Jesus said none come to Father but by him, he was meaning by his
ways.

Ah, no, he meant "by Him." His "ways" are part of it, but no man comes to
the Father except "by Him." There are many false shepherds preaching the
religions of man, but there is only one true way, truth, and life.

You started out all right, but you're starting to drift towards the lies
of universalism.

That is, the heart of hearts is where God is and that gives forth in love
to all around us. In fact when one does good to one, one does good to
God, for God is in all and through all.

Religion makes it crap. It makes it stink and it makes it lose the
practical side with rituals and other crap. Peace on earth will only
happen when we did what Jesus preached.

Actually, there will not be any peace on earth until Jesus returns BECAUSE
we don't do what Jesus preached. That's the point.

Again, the message starts off sounding good, then drifts off the road.

That is to love one another, to respect, to actually care for one another
and encourage one another instead of judging one another.

There are two connotations of "judge" in the Bible.

One is to instruct in righteousness.
The other is a court proceeding leading to a verdict.

Jesus Himself said that He came "to show judgment to the Gentiles,"
meaning "instruct them in the way of righteousness."

The Children of God are always commanded to "show judgment," that is, to
discern what is right and wrong, good and evil, righteous and unrighteous,
and teach it to others, but not to sit in judgment on others--that will
come at the end of the story.

Again, the message moves along ok, then starts to drift off the road.

If we all see each other as part of the family of mankind, then
collectively we can work on the things which keep us hindered as
dysfunctionals. That we can in fact strive towards understanding the best
ways that all benefit.

Would that we could. Then we wouldn't have to go through the end of the
age. But we can't, so we will.

I also note a hint of "understanding surpasses the ordinances of God"
theology coming on.

Such knowledge can be considered God's perfect knowledge. While presently
no system is perfect, all need to be modified and all need to have it
allowed in their system that they can be modified, and its only with all
this that we will eventually perfect the systems that they DO WORK
instead of say one thing and do another.

System? or church?

Jesus established seven churches, each with varying degrees of success or
failure. But they are still "churches," not "systems."

"Systems" drifts towards universalism.

Jesus was the example to challenge the system and look for truth and seek
the rudimentary factors of getting along with love. If we have war in our
own self then we haev war in our household.

The ironic thing, sad as it is a joke of all jokes, is that
psychologically we need to feel forgiven and free in order to join with
God in spirit in our heart of hearts. That is God's will and God's gift
in the message of reconciliation, but religion has nullified it by the
crap.

When one's heart seeks to do the right thing, that is all that God
requires.

[snip]

We will not get world peace until we ready.

Actually, we won't get world peace until we prove were NOT ready.

Prophecy says it starts with the second coming and goes for 1000 years.
Practically we need to be ready to receive it in our hearts. We need to
want peace and we need to be forgiving and encouraging to each and every
individual in the world.

But mankind won't accept any of this until we arrive at the brink of
self-annihalation.

If we are not, then we are not ready and it will not come. This will mean
many violent will rise up to be killed until the rest which egg them on
are humbled past their hatred to want peace. In this we see all the other
horrible prophecies of war and death and famines from money spent on war
instead of on fellow man.

When the world starts to treat each person as important as each other,
and puts its money to nuture one another as a mother or father (not big
brother), then we will start to have the family of mankind reaching the
heights of heaven, in the way God wants us to, by growth.

The world has to accept three things to survive:

1) The righteousness of God as established in the Old Testament.
2) The commpassion of God as established in the New Testament.
3) The judgment of God as established in both Testaments.

Righteousness without compassion leads to despotism.
Compassion with righteousness leads to corruption.

Your statements seem to lean one way but not the other due to lack of
balance.

As a branch on a tree needs to growth thick before it grows in length in
a balance else it will collapse under its own weight, likewise we need to
learn in order to build the foundations to be management capable. IT is
all learning, always was and always will be, and the most intelligent
being, God, knows that we need to learn before we are given the power as
gods.

www.worldpeace.mail333.com

PEeace

Ray

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