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"Bible John" |
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14 Oct 2005 06:24:34 PM |
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Why are there so MANY cults here? |
The Cults seem to be all over these boards. Why? What is it about
these boards that attracts them?
Last of All if you are saved can you give me your testimony? I do not
want to burn you at the stake, but I want to know who my friends and who
my enemies are. The cults come dressed as sheep, but are really wolves.
They come to destroy the flock, and I as one of the bible teachers here
need to protect the sheep for them.
All Bible teachers here should do the same.
John
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http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/
John 14:6 Jesus answered, ģI am the way and
the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father
except through me.
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| User: "galia" |
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| Title: Re: Why are there so MANY cults here? |
14 Oct 2005 10:02:09 PM |
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"Bible John" <john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote in message
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<snipped>
and I as one of the bible teachers here
need to protect the sheep for them.
Don't flatter yourself; you are no bible teacher!
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| User: "Bible John" |
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14 Oct 2005 10:57:23 PM |
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In article <Qi_3f.6791$S43.1094833@news20.bellglobal.com>,
"galia" <galia@somewhere.com> wrote:
Don't flatter yourself; you are no bible teacher!
All saved christians are to teach and preach the word unless of coarse
you hold to a "calling theology."
John
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John 14:6 Jesus answered, ģI am the way and
the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father
except through me.
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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| Title: Re: Why are there so MANY cults here? |
14 Oct 2005 11:25:14 PM |
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On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:57:23 -0700, Bible John
<john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote:
In article <Qi_3f.6791$S43.1094833@news20.bellglobal.com>,
"galia" <galia@somewhere.com> wrote:
Don't flatter yourself; you are no bible teacher!
All saved christians are to teach and preach the word unless of coarse
you hold to a "calling theology."
John
John;
Teacher is a gift ministry.
Ephesians 4:11 KJV
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists;
and some, pastors and teachers;
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
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| User: "john w" |
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22 Oct 2005 05:41:41 PM |
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x-no-archive: yes
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:57:23 -0700, Bible John
<john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this
can be used anywhere else without expressed written permission of the
author.
In article <Qi_3f.6791$S43.1094833@news20.bellglobal.com>,
"galia" <galia@somewhere.com> wrote:
Don't flatter yourself; you are no bible teacher!
All saved christians are to teach and preach the word unless of coarse
you hold to a "calling theology."
Your flagrant ARROGANCE continues, BJ.
You have now been told TWICE that your use of the word "coarse" is
incorrect.
Yet you FLATLY ignore the correction, flip us off, and continue to use
the wrong word-- now DELIBERATELY so.
This is called "spiritual rebellion", BJ, and it is not a trait of
mature Christians.
john w
John
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Why are there so MANY cults here? |
23 Oct 2005 01:59:23 PM |
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"john w @yow.how>" <jw<no> wrote in message
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You have now been told TWICE that your use of the word "coarse" is
incorrect.
And you think "sow" and "sew" mean the same thing.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "DOC WATSON docwatson@yup" |
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23 Oct 2005 09:32:54 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:59:23 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> said the following funny stuff in this here
little old new 'froup:
"john w @yow.how>" <jw<no> wrote in message
news:mufll15vnvfsj5jm7675pndhj14st8namo@4ax.com...
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You have now been told TWICE that your use of the word "coarse" is
incorrect.
And you think "sow" and "sew" mean the same thing.
Yup - he also said 'Jesus was the PREFECT lamb' ....... I've heard of
school 'prefects' but Jesus was never a school prefect!! :o)
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Confucious say: "Don't judge people by their relatives!"
Sign in feudin' homestead: "Friends Welcome. Relatives by Appointment.!"
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| User: "Scout Lady" |
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25 Oct 2005 08:04:05 AM |
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"DOC WATSON" <docwatson@yup> wrote in message
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Yup - he also said 'Jesus was the PREFECT lamb' ....... I've heard of
school 'prefects' but Jesus was never a school prefect!! :o)
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| User: "Bible John" |
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22 Oct 2005 07:30:22 PM |
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In article <mufll15vnvfsj5jm7675pndhj14st8namo@4ax.com>,
john w <jw<no>@yow.how> wrote:
Your flagrant ARROGANCE continues, BJ.
You have now been told TWICE that your use of the word "coarse" is
incorrect.
Yet you FLATLY ignore the correction, flip us off, and continue to use
the wrong word-- now DELIBERATELY so.
This is called "spiritual rebellion", BJ, and it is not a trait of
mature Christians.
john w
Weatherly thanks for the tips. However you are failing to understand my
philosophy of Usenet. Usenet is not a formal nor professional writing
environment. I treat Usenet like I treat casual conversation.
Please spend your time correcting my bible messages. I am sorry for
missing what you said before. But if you honestly find spelling,
grammar, and other such errors in my latest bible message I will
consider what you said.
http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/bible_studies/Topical/parables.htm
John
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http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/
John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and
the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father
except through me.
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| User: "u jb uj" |
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22 Oct 2005 08:55:02 PM |
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Bible John wrote:
In article <mufll15vnvfsj5jm7675pndhj14st8namo@4ax.com>,
john w <jw<no>@yow.how> wrote:
Your flagrant ARROGANCE continues, BJ.
You have now been told TWICE that your use of the word "coarse" is
incorrect.
Yet you FLATLY ignore the correction, flip us off, and continue to use
the wrong word-- now DELIBERATELY so.
This is called "spiritual rebellion", BJ, and it is not a trait of
mature Christians.
john w
Weatherly thanks for the tips. However you are failing to understand my
philosophy of Usenet. Usenet is not a formal nor professional writing
environment. I treat Usenet like I treat casual conversation.
Please spend your time correcting my bible messages.
I reelly lick you're altitude aboot usenet glamor. Who gives a hell of
daong aboot speltin.
I am sorry for
missing what you said before. But if you honestly find spelling,
grammar, and other such errors in my latest bible message I will
consider what you said.
Tell the scrambled one his good spelling hasn't hid the fact he is seen
as stupid. Stupid has its own glow which isn't easily hide. I like the
fact that with your own distinct use of "casual conversation" it doesn't
take a Rhodes scholar to figure you must have skipped down the broad
road through college using just the skills you learned in kindergarten,
plus a big stupid grin!
ujb
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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14 Oct 2005 11:34:43 PM |
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galia wrote:
"Bible John" <john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote in message
news:john.doggett-574551.16243414102005@News-West.newsfeeds.com...
<snipped>
and I as one of the bible teachers here
need to protect the sheep for them.
Don't flatter yourself; you are no bible teacher!
===>Why not?
ANYONE can be a "bible teacher".
There are thousands of "bible teachers", all teaching
their own ideas and fantasies. -- L.
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| User: "Andrew W" |
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15 Oct 2005 03:16:00 AM |
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"Bible John" <john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote in message
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The Cults seem to be all over these boards. Why? What is it about
these boards that attracts them?
Because the Christian bible is such a confused mish-mash of mystical mayhem,
and these are Christian/bible newsgroups.
No other religion has as many confused cultists and sectists as
Christianity.
Last of All if you are saved can you give me your testimony? I do not
want to burn you at the stake, but I want to know who my friends and who
my enemies are.
No Christian is certifiably saved.
The cults come dressed as sheep, but are really wolves.
They come to destroy the flock, and I as one of the bible teachers here
need to protect the sheep for them.
Christianity is a "wolf" factory and this is where the wolves congregate.
You can tell which one they are. They're the one's that quote bible verses
and then use them to promote self denial and self disempowerment so that we
become easy targets for the dark forces.
All Bible teachers here should do the same.
All bible teachers should first get an education in ancient religions and
cults.
--
Andrew W.
Beware of invisible entities that coerce you into a life of worship and
sacrifice.
Beware of any being who offers you a gift in the form of death and
suffering.
Beware of any religion that makes free-mindedness a crime.
Free-mindedness is foolishness to those whose brains are perishing.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "Bible John" |
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15 Oct 2005 06:06:39 AM |
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In article <4350babf$0$26571$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:
All bible teachers should first get an education in ancient religions and
cults.
My formal education did not cover this, however I have been educating
myself in these areas on my own time. At least the cult part. But I
could use some study on religions.
John
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CERM-Church Education Resource Ministries
http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/
John 14:6 Jesus answered, ģI am the way and
the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father
except through me.
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| User: "Last of All" |
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15 Oct 2005 06:55:27 AM |
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"Bible John" <john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote in message
news:john.doggett-27A528.04063815102005@News-West.newsfeeds.com...
In article <4350babf$0$26571$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:
All bible teachers should first get an education in ancient religions and
cults.
My formal education did not cover this, however I have been educating
myself in these areas on my own time. At least the cult part. But I
could use some study on religions.
John
You don't learn much about cults by reading books written by CHristian
apologists about cults, you actually have to read the books they, themselves
write. As to ancient religions, although now considered a little obsolete,
may I suggest you start with "The Golden Bough" and then Joseph Campbell had
a lot of good material on comparative religion, even a couple of video taped
lecture series, if you can still find them, it's been more than 10 years
since I got them from the local library.
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Terrell
http://lastofall.blogspot.com/
http://www.lastofall.com
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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15 Oct 2005 07:58:35 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:55:27 GMT, "Last of All"
<composer7@NOSPAM.com> spake thusly:
"Bible John" <john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote in message
news:john.doggett-27A528.04063815102005@News-West.newsfeeds.com...
In article <4350babf$0$26571$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:
All bible teachers should first get an education in ancient religions and
cults.
My formal education did not cover this, however I have been educating
myself in these areas on my own time. At least the cult part. But I
could use some study on religions.
John
You don't learn much about cults by reading books written by CHristian
apologists about cults, you actually have to read the books they, themselves
write.
So your logic is to claim bias by Christians, but no
bias by the cultists?
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
"Be strong all people of the land. Do not fear."
"If you will not believe, surely you will not be
established." - Jehovah
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| User: "Last of All" |
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15 Oct 2005 08:24:47 AM |
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"Pastor Dave" <1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:u6v1l1do084rjom5a8r3cjkss9tuntqrq3@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:55:27 GMT, "Last of All"
<composer7@NOSPAM.com> spake thusly:
"Bible John" <john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote in message
news:john.doggett-27A528.04063815102005@News-West.newsfeeds.com...
In article <4350babf$0$26571$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:
All bible teachers should first get an education in ancient religions
and
cults.
My formal education did not cover this, however I have been educating
myself in these areas on my own time. At least the cult part. But I
could use some study on religions.
John
You don't learn much about cults by reading books written by CHristian
apologists about cults, you actually have to read the books they,
themselves
write.
So your logic is to claim bias by Christians, but no
bias by the cultists?
--
Pastor Dave
You're putting words in my mouth, no, but you wouldn't exactly trust a book
written by a Catholic on the Baptist church or a book written by a Baptist
on the Catholic church - if you want to learn about Baptists, you would read
a books written by Baptists and if you wanted to learn about Catholics, you
would read books written by Catholics, and so forth.
And ... to one extent or another, everyone is biased.
--
Terrell
http://lastofall.blogspot.com/
http://www.lastofall.com
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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15 Oct 2005 09:40:46 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:24:47 GMT, "Last of All"
<composer7@NOSPAM.com> spake thusly:
You don't learn much about cults by reading books written by CHristian
apologists about cults, you actually have to read the books they,
themselves
write.
So your logic is to claim bias by Christians, but no
bias by the cultists?
You're putting words in my mouth,
No, I'm not. The cultists will present a biased point
of view, just as much so, if not more, than a Christian
writing about it. Yet you say we should look to them
for accurate information.
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
"Be strong all people of the land. Do not fear."
"If you will not believe, surely you will not be
established." - Jehovah
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| User: "Last of All" |
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15 Oct 2005 09:54:55 AM |
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"Pastor Dave" <1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:j552l11c727vbgm6vq57f1rfn3vlfobd1o@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:24:47 GMT, "Last of All"
<composer7@NOSPAM.com> spake thusly:
You don't learn much about cults by reading books written by CHristian
apologists about cults, you actually have to read the books they,
themselves
write.
So your logic is to claim bias by Christians, but no
bias by the cultists?
You're putting words in my mouth,
No, I'm not. The cultists will present a biased point
of view, just as much so, if not more, than a Christian
writing about it. Yet you say we should look to them
for accurate information.
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Pastor Dave
If, as the original poster stated, we want to study other religions, then to
get the most accurate information, we should study their own writings. What
you are saying makes as much sense as going to a book on Islam apologetics
to learn about Christianity.
Now, on the other hand, a book on CHristianity written by an Islamic
apologist would be fascinating to me, to discover what Islamics believe
about Christianity.
--
Terrell
http://lastofall.blogspot.com/
http://www.lastofall.com
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| User: "Andrew W" |
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15 Oct 2005 05:04:44 PM |
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"Last of All" <composer7@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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If, as the original poster stated, we want to study other religions, then
to get the most accurate information, we should study their own writings.
What you are saying makes as much sense as going to a book on Islam
apologetics to learn about Christianity.
I would imagine the best thing to do would be to read a book by an objective
minded scholar whose done objective research on the subject, otherwise all
you're reading about is the follower's own narrow minded beliefs. It
wouldn't be accurate information at all.
--
Andrew W.
Beware of invisible entities that coerce you into a life of worship and
sacrifice.
Beware of any being who offers you a gift in the form of death and
suffering.
Beware of any religion that makes free-mindedness a crime.
Free-mindedness is foolishness to those whose brains are perishing.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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15 Oct 2005 09:57:26 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:54:55 GMT, "Last of All"
<composer7@NOSPAM.com> spake thusly:
"Pastor Dave" <1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:j552l11c727vbgm6vq57f1rfn3vlfobd1o@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:24:47 GMT, "Last of All"
<composer7@NOSPAM.com> spake thusly:
You don't learn much about cults by reading books written by CHristian
apologists about cults, you actually have to read the books they,
themselves
write.
So your logic is to claim bias by Christians, but no
bias by the cultists?
You're putting words in my mouth,
No, I'm not. The cultists will present a biased point
of view, just as much so, if not more, than a Christian
writing about it. Yet you say we should look to them
for accurate information.
--
Pastor Dave
If, as the original poster stated, we want to study other religions, then to
get the most accurate information, we should study their own writings.
I disagree, other than reading what they call their
holy writings. The fact is, that they are not going to
write down the horrors that they commit and advertise
them.
When's the last time you read about Satanists for
example, putting out a book describing their yearly
baby sacrifice? :)
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
"Be strong all people of the land. Do not fear."
"If you will not believe, surely you will not be
established." - Jehovah
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14 Oct 2005 07:34:07 PM |
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"Bible John" <john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote in message
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The Cults seem to be all over these boards. Why? What is it about
these boards that attracts them?
I don't know, why are you here? What is it about this board that attracts
your cult?
cult
n 1: adherents of an exclusive system of religious beliefs and practices 2:
an interest followed with exaggerated zeal; "he always follows the latest
fads"; "it was all the rage that season" [syn: fad, craze, furor, furore,
rage] 3: a system of religious beliefs and rituals; "devoted to the cultus
of the Blessed Virgin" [syn: cultus, religious cult]
ALL religions are cults.
Last of All if you are saved can you give me your testimony? I do not
want to burn you at the stake, but I want to know who my friends and who
my enemies are. The cults come dressed as sheep, but are really wolves.
They come to destroy the flock, and I as one of the bible teachers here
need to protect the sheep for them.
Which testimony. I was "saved" as a child (6th grade, I believe - I am a
grandfather now).
Another testimony: Many years ago I was kneeling at my couch praying before
leaving for work, all of a sudden I was praing in tongues, don't know what I
said, but I could recognize a word that sounded familiar to the French world
for God and "Haysous" several times. Been praying and singing in tongues
every since. That's my testimony of beginning to pray in tongues.
Another testimony: I was praying (again on my couch) before heading off to
a Wed. night service when suddenly a whole lot of sick, infirm and oppressed
were were in front of me and to my left, they were all blaming God for their
misfortune and saying, "Why, why?" Then, suddenly, Jesus stood in front and
to the right of me, and he said, "Why, I have given you the power and
authority, why?" At that time, I became aware that others were behind me,
but I could only feel them, not see them. That is my testimony of seeing
the Risen Christ.
Want more? I got them....but:
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I
cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such
an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the
body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was
caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful
for a man to utter. Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not
glory, but in mine infirmities.
(2Co 12:2-5)
As to these boards, this is not a place baby Christians are attracted to,
here is a battle ground between very hardened warriors -- this is not a
ministry, this is intellectual and spiritual warfare. And you, sir, aren't
even close to mature enough to do battle here. I have been in and out of
these boards for several years, and even I have to take a break from time to
time to recharge and every time I resolve not to return.
In between is devoted to my prayer and meditation and guitar (which is a
form of meditation for me, playing and singing both in English and in the
Spirit). The year before I arrived here, I had spent an average of 8 to 12
hours a day for a full year, with my nose on the floor praying. I've seen
and stood before the Throne of the Most High, I've seen the risen Christ,
I've seen the archangel Michael, I've seen demons appear, I've heard the
voice of Satan and I've heard the voice of the Father when He finally said,
"Speak, son." And still, I wish I had prepared myself more. And inbetween
the praying, the Lord would give me homework, "Read Habakkuk (14 times that
year), read Job, Jeremiah, and Jonah and find something they have in
common," "find every instance of the Hebrew and Greek words for "Chosen" and
write them out on paper (pre-computer)," etc.
And I enjoy the breaks when I can return to day long prayer, study, and
meditation a lot more than my time here. I have cast out devils from
prostitutes and preachers and many people in between in Jesus' name. I've
seen money appear in thrice checked empty wallets when I hadn't the money to
pay a bill. I've sat with 3 dollars to my name and no food and a week til
payday and given the money away only to watch the Lord feed me. I've filled
bags with groceries, driven across town and knocked on a door only to learn
that there was no food in that house until I arrived. And I've been
physically and verbally attacked in churches as I sat quietly praying, by
people with the same spirit as you. Indeed, 7 years ago, the Lord told my
wife and I, that there will come a time when I would die (in His arms) at
the hands of someone who believed themself to be a Christian, someone like
you.
All Bible teachers here should do the same.
Why because you say so?
John
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Terrell
http://lastofall.blogspot.com/
http://www.lastofall.com
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| User: "Pastor Steve Winter" |
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14 Oct 2005 10:40:17 PM |
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Bible John <john.doggett@x-files.gov> spake thusly and wrote:
The Cults seem to be all over these boards. Why? What is it about
these boards that attracts them?
The false-christian scum John Wolf is one of the more obsessed,
and malicious of the false-christian cultists out here.
Why are there so many anti-Bible, false-christian scum like John
Wolf around?
2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure
sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to
themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall
be turned unto fables.
Pastor Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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15 Oct 2005 01:46:26 PM |
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Bible John <john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote in
news:john.doggett-574551.16243414102005@News-West.newsfeeds.com:
The Cults seem to be all over these boards. Why? What is it about
these boards that attracts them?
Cults, being composed largely of people of weak faith, trying to buttress
it with garish theatrics, need to continually berate other denominations.
It's been going on ever since the RCC excommunicated itself from
orthodoxy and the scions of Luther's subsequent rebellion against
sacerdotal authority are not much different in that respect.
Last of All if you are saved can you give me your testimony? I do not
want to burn you at the stake, but I want to know who my friends and
who my enemies are. The cults come dressed as sheep, but are really
wolves. They come to destroy the flock, and I as one of the bible
teachers here need to protect the sheep for them.
All Bible teachers here should do the same.
The Bible doesn't need teachers, it needs interpreters. It needs to be
understood for what it is instead of worshipped as a false god. Luther's
heresy of sola scriptura was first proposed in the 4th century and
rejected then for the very sound reasons that scripture is too complex
and self-contradictory to support such a notion and that it is not, in
any case, actually found IN scripture and therefore not supported
according to its own criterion.
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
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| User: "Andrew W" |
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15 Oct 2005 06:29:19 PM |
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"Dave Oldridge" <doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:Xns96F077C4814F1doldridgsprintca@24.71.223.159...
Bible John <john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote in
news:john.doggett-574551.16243414102005@News-West.newsfeeds.com:
The Cults seem to be all over these boards. Why? What is it about
these boards that attracts them?
Cults, being composed largely of people of weak faith,
On the contrary I think. The more faith one puts in one particular thing the
more cultish they become.
trying to buttress
it with garish theatrics, need to continually berate other denominations.
An excellent description of Christianity.
It's been going on ever since the RCC excommunicated itself from
orthodoxy and the scions of Luther's subsequent rebellion against
sacerdotal authority are not much different in that respect.
Last of All if you are saved can you give me your testimony? I do not
want to burn you at the stake, but I want to know who my friends and
who my enemies are. The cults come dressed as sheep, but are really
wolves. They come to destroy the flock, and I as one of the bible
teachers here need to protect the sheep for them.
All Bible teachers here should do the same.
The Bible doesn't need teachers, it needs interpreters. It needs to be
understood for what it is instead of worshipped as a false god. Luther's
heresy of sola scriptura was first proposed in the 4th century and
rejected then for the very sound reasons that scripture is too complex
and self-contradictory to support such a notion and that it is not, in
any case, actually found IN scripture and therefore not supported
according to its own criterion.
--
Andrew W.
Beware of invisible entities that coerce you into a life of worship and
sacrifice.
Beware of any being who offers you a gift in the form of death and
suffering.
Beware of any religion that makes free-mindedness a crime.
Free-mindedness is foolishness to those whose brains are perishing.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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16 Oct 2005 11:23:19 PM |
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"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in
news:435190cf$0$10888$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:
"Dave Oldridge" <doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:Xns96F077C4814F1doldridgsprintca@24.71.223.159...
Bible John <john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote in
news:john.doggett-574551.16243414102005@News-West.newsfeeds.com:
The Cults seem to be all over these boards. Why? What is it about
these boards that attracts them?
Cults, being composed largely of people of weak faith,
On the contrary I think. The more faith one puts in one particular
thing the more cultish they become.
trying to buttress
it with garish theatrics, need to continually berate other
denominations.
An excellent description of Christianity.
Actually, not.
But then you've probably not encountered much Christianity.
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
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| User: "Last of All" |
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15 Oct 2005 02:17:48 PM |
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"Dave Oldridge" <doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:Xns96F077C4814F1doldridgsprintca@24.71.223.159...
Bible John <john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote in
news:john.doggett-574551.16243414102005@News-West.newsfeeds.com:
The Cults seem to be all over these boards. Why? What is it about
these boards that attracts them?
Cults, being composed largely of people of weak faith, trying to buttress
it with garish theatrics, need to continually berate other denominations.
It's been going on ever since the RCC excommunicated itself from
orthodoxy and the scions of Luther's subsequent rebellion against
sacerdotal authority are not much different in that respect.
Last of All if you are saved can you give me your testimony? I do not
want to burn you at the stake, but I want to know who my friends and
who my enemies are. The cults come dressed as sheep, but are really
wolves. They come to destroy the flock, and I as one of the bible
teachers here need to protect the sheep for them.
All Bible teachers here should do the same.
The Bible doesn't need teachers, it needs interpreters. It needs to be
understood for what it is instead of worshipped as a false god. Luther's
heresy of sola scriptura was first proposed in the 4th century and
rejected then for the very sound reasons that scripture is too complex
and self-contradictory to support such a notion and that it is not, in
any case, actually found IN scripture and therefore not supported
according to its own criterion.
Interesting, can you point me to some links on this history/origins of sola
scripture?
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
--
Terrell
http://lastofall.blogspot.com/
http://www.lastofall.com
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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16 Oct 2005 08:50:33 PM |
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"Last of All" <composer7@NOSPAM.com> wrote in
news:wBc4f.373$Y6.325@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net:
"Dave Oldridge" <doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:Xns96F077C4814F1doldridgsprintca@24.71.223.159...
Bible John <john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote in
news:john.doggett-574551.16243414102005@News-West.newsfeeds.com:
The Cults seem to be all over these boards. Why? What is it about
these boards that attracts them?
Cults, being composed largely of people of weak faith, trying to
buttress it with garish theatrics, need to continually berate other
denominations. It's been going on ever since the RCC excommunicated
itself from orthodoxy and the scions of Luther's subsequent rebellion
against sacerdotal authority are not much different in that respect.
Last of All if you are saved can you give me your testimony? I do
not want to burn you at the stake, but I want to know who my friends
and who my enemies are. The cults come dressed as sheep, but are
really wolves. They come to destroy the flock, and I as one of the
bible teachers here need to protect the sheep for them.
All Bible teachers here should do the same.
The Bible doesn't need teachers, it needs interpreters. It needs to
be understood for what it is instead of worshipped as a false god.
Luther's heresy of sola scriptura was first proposed in the 4th
century and rejected then for the very sound reasons that scripture
is too complex and self-contradictory to support such a notion and
that it is not, in any case, actually found IN scripture and
therefore not supported according to its own criterion.
Interesting, can you point me to some links on this history/origins of
sola scripture?
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/scripture_alone.html#scripture-I
This is one of the best I got in just a few minutes with Google.
Try the following search
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&rls=GGLD%2CGGLD%3A2005-03%2CGGLD%
3Aen&q=Augustine+%22sola+scriptura%22+Damasus+Jerome&meta=
Or just type in the following to Google:
Augustine "sola scriptura" Damasus Jerome.
You'll get about 700 hits.
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
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| User: "Last of All" |
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16 Oct 2005 09:06:01 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 01:50:33 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
sola+scriptura
That you, that was a big help.
Terrell
http://lastofall.blogspot.com/
http://www.lastofall.com
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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15 Oct 2005 05:00:24 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:17:48 GMT, "Last of All"
<composer7@NOSPAM.com> spake thusly:
All Bible teachers here should do the same.
The Bible doesn't need teachers, it needs interpreters. It needs to be
understood for what it is instead of worshipped as a false god. Luther's
heresy of sola scriptura was first proposed in the 4th century and
rejected then for the very sound reasons that scripture is too complex
and self-contradictory to support such a notion and that it is not, in
any case, actually found IN scripture and therefore not supported
according to its own criterion.
Interesting, can you point me to some links on this
history/origins of sola scripture?
Dave is a Catholic. He thinks that the Bible should
submit to the Pope. He won't admit that, but box him
in with a doctrine that his church teaches and then
prove that it goes against Scripture and you'll see him
tell you that we are to defer to his church.
No one "worships the Bible". We simply honor it as
God's word and the written ruler that God gave us,
with which to measure doctrines by.
The Bible says...
2 Timothy 3:16-17
16) All Scripture is God-breathed, and is profitable
for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
instruction in righteousness,
17) that the man of God may be perfected, thoroughly
furnished to every good work.
Note: In order TO correct, it must BE correct.
Note: In order to instruct in 'right'eousness,
it must be RIGHT.
Note: It is so that the man of God can be PERFECTED
(also means "complete").
In order to be able to make US complete, IT must
BE COMPLETE in what we need to measure
doctrine by.
People like Dave and his church, think that they are
supposed to be able to override anything the Bible
says, that conflicts with that church's teachings.
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
"Be strong all people of the land. Do not fear."
"If you will not believe, surely you will not be
established." - Jehovah
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| User: "Andrew W" |
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15 Oct 2005 07:01:06 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:7lu2l11foggfe9m1abn7b4nqrvgj0p2j1p@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:17:48 GMT, "Last of All"
<composer7@NOSPAM.com> spake thusly:
Dave is a Catholic. He thinks that the Bible should
submit to the Pope. He won't admit that, but box him
in with a doctrine that his church teaches and then
prove that it goes against Scripture and you'll see him
tell you that we are to defer to his church.
No one "worships the Bible". We simply honor it as
God's word and the written ruler that God gave us,
with which to measure doctrines by.
Do you really think it was the creation force of the universe that 'gave' us
the Christian bible?
What about all the other religion's holy books? Did he/it give us those too?
The Bible says...
2 Timothy 3:16-17
16) All Scripture is God-breathed, and is profitable
for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
instruction in righteousness,
17) that the man of God may be perfected, thoroughly
furnished to every good work.
And I suppose you think it was God who authored that bit.
On the other hand most if not all other religions have scriptures too.
Did you think of that?
Note: In order TO correct, it must BE correct.
Note: In order to instruct in 'right'eousness,
it must be RIGHT.
Note: It is so that the man of God can be PERFECTED
(also means "complete").
In order to be able to make US complete, IT must
BE COMPLETE in what we need to measure
doctrine by.
But its not complete. Much of what happened wasn't written down by the
scribes, much was taken out by the Holy Roman empire when it compiled the
bible, much of it is vague and ambiguous, and much has been misinterpreted
or mistranslated.
People like Dave and his church, think that they are
supposed to be able to override anything the Bible
says, that conflicts with that church's teachings.
The bible is just a book.
People should do their own thinking, not let one book do it for them.
There is no solid proof that the bible was inspired by a supreme being who
made everything.
--
Andrew W.
Beware of invisible entities that coerce you into a life of worship and
sacrifice.
Beware of any being who offers you a gift in the form of death and
suffering.
Beware of any religion that makes free-mindedness a crime.
Free-mindedness is foolishness to those whose brains are perishing.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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16 Oct 2005 11:21:49 PM |
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Pastor Dave <1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
news:7lu2l11foggfe9m1abn7b4nqrvgj0p2j1p@4ax.com:
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:17:48 GMT, "Last of All"
<composer7@NOSPAM.com> spake thusly:
All Bible teachers here should do the same.
The Bible doesn't need teachers, it needs interpreters. It needs to
be understood for what it is instead of worshipped as a false god.
Luther's heresy of sola scriptura was first proposed in the 4th
century and rejected then for the very sound reasons that scripture
is too complex and self-contradictory to support such a notion and
that it is not, in any case, actually found IN scripture and
therefore not supported according to its own criterion.
Interesting, can you point me to some links on this
history/origins of sola scripture?
Dave is a Catholic. He thinks that the Bible should
submit to the Pope. He won't admit that, but box him
in with a doctrine that his church teaches and then
prove that it goes against Scripture and you'll see him
tell you that we are to defer to his church.
"Pastor Dave" is an anti-catholic bigot. Nor does he seem to understand
that I am not a ROMAN catholic. However, his bigotry does not permit him
to see the difference between tradition and Roman Catholicism. Anything
that calls into question his own man-made traditions is attacked as being
"Papism."
No one "worships the Bible". We simply honor it as
God's word and the written ruler that God gave us,
with which to measure doctrines by.
How do you know which of the included books are Bible and which aren't?
There are at least another 60 or so books of antiquity with some claim to
be "scriptural" that are not found in your 66-book canon, including
several that were included in the ORIGINAL edition of your precious KJV
but that you reject (apparently on Luther's sayso).
The Bible says...
2 Timothy 3:16-17
16) All Scripture is God-breathed, and is profitable
for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
instruction in righteousness,
Actually it says EACH writing (in the original) and it's interesting that
your infatuation with the KJV disappears when it comes to this
reification of the Greek expression for "divinely inspired."
17) that the man of God may be perfected, thoroughly
furnished to every good work.
Note: In order TO correct, it must BE correct.
Note: In order to instruct in 'right'eousness,
it must be RIGHT.
Note: It is so that the man of God can be PERFECTED
(also means "complete").
In order to be able to make US complete, IT must
BE COMPLETE in what we need to measure
doctrine by.
People like Dave and his church, think that they are
supposed to be able to override anything the Bible
says, that conflicts with that church's teachings.
No, but, as the custodians of the apostolic succession of Christ, not to
be confused with the Petrine succession of the RCC, we ARE in a position
to teach traditions that have come down to us since apostolic times that
were never explicitly given in scripture. Scripture itself alludes to
such traditions, but, in your rebellion against God, His Church and the
authority that God gave the bishops over you, you have cast those
scriptures aside in order to promote doctrines not found either in
scripture OR Holy Tradition.
Good luck with that....you're more or less on your own with it, though,
as it has no sanction from above.
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
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