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User:	"Rev. Donald Spitz"
Date:	28 Dec 2004 10:59:52 AM
Object:	Why do bad things happen to good people?"

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"Why do bad things happen to good people?" This is the title of a book =
written by a Rabbi Harold S. Kushner. The book was inspired by the =
agonizing death of his son. Is God some sort of sadist?
=20
Sunday's "act of God" is sure to raise the question again. Many people =
wonder why so many innocent people had to die, especially the children, =
in Asia's earthquake and tsunamis. The disaster raises the age old =
question about God's love, and the suffering He allows on the earth.
=20
Many modern day Christians have a false idea about the character and =
nature of God. They have not read their bibles wholly. Their Old =
Testament reading is in neglect. They shrug off God's severe judgments =
toward those who rebel against Him. They believe He has somehow changed. =
God has not changed, "He is the same yesterday, and today and forever." =
Hebrews 13:8
=20
Most people do not understand themselves! Like Rabbi Kushner, they =
believe themselves to be basically good. Jesus has a different view:
=20
"And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing =
shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why =
callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if =
thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." Matthew 19:16-17
=20
Most people don't know God's Commandments; they have been systematically =
removed or displaced. Why do bad things happen to good people? There are =
no good people! We are all better or worse, but none of us is good. That =
is why we stand in need of a Savior! "All have sinned, and have fallen =
short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23=20
=20
Everyone casts themselves in the most benevolent light. We marginalize =
our imperfections, and wink at our depravity; we quickly forget our most =
gross sins. The god we have invented loves us unconditionally. He would =
not cast us into hell. Oh no! He loves us just the way we are. He hates =
our sins, but He loves us! He is preparing a bigger mansion for us than =
the one we already have! Each room has a fireproof floor.
=20
God's timing is always perfect. The beaches were littered with Sabbath =
breakers, many of them would have been saved had they been in church. =20
=20
People always look to someone, or something to blame. The tragedy might =
have been averted in part had there been an early warning system in =
place. I don't think an early warning system would have mattered much. I =
have been systematically giving out warnings for years with little =
results. Jeremiah warned Israel and the surrounding nations for 40 =
years. They ignored his warnings to the bloody end.=20
=20
We ought to count our blessings nervously. We are enjoying unmerited =
favor from God. We as a nation are living on borrowed grace, grace that =
is rapidly expiring.=20
=20
Warren Buffet, the Wizard of Wall Street, warns of an economic tsunami =
due to America's 10 trillion dollar debt. He has invested heavily in =
foreign currencies. Buffet, a pagan, puts his money where his mouth is.=20
=20
Most Christians who profess the 2nd Coming of Christ live carelessly. We =
are idle as our nation provokes Almighty God to anger. 25,000 plus =
people killed by an act of God is less than one week's work in America's =
abortuaries. The unborn children willfully killed are the most innocent =
and helpless of our nation's people.=20
=20
Christians are hostile to the messenger who warn the wicked about God's =
judgment. They want to present a positive message! There is nothing very =
positive about earthquakes and tsunamis. Would it be impolite to tell my =
neighbor "your house is on fire?" Should we not warn them about their =
souls?
=20
dan holman,=20
Missionaries to the Pre-born Iowa, (319) 601-9349

=
P.O. Box 135 Keokuk, IA 52632
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SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear Jesus, I am a sinner and am headed to eternal hell =
because of my sins. I believe you died on the cross to take away my sins =
and to take me to heaven. Jesus, I ask you now to come into my heart and =
take away my sins and give me eternal life. http://www.ArmyofGod.com
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people do not understand themselves! Like Rabbi Kushner, they believe =
themselves=20
to be basically good. Jesus has a different view:
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<FONT=20
size=3D2>=93And, behold, one came and said =
unto him,=20
Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? =
And he=20
said unto him, Why =
callest thou me=20
good? there is none =
good but=20
one, that is, God: =
but if thou=20
wilt enter into life, keep the =
commandments.=94<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Matthew =
19:16-17<o:p></o:p>
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<FONT=20
face=3DArial>Most people don=92t know God=92s Commandments; they have =
been=20
systematically removed or displaced. Why do bad things happen to good =
people?=20
There are no good people! We are all better or worse, but none of us is =
good.=20
That is why we stand in need of a Savior! <B=20
style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">=93All=20
have sinned, and have fallen short of the glory of God.=94<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Romans =
3:23=20

<o:p> </o:p>
Everyone=20
casts themselves in the most benevolent light. We marginalize our =
imperfections,=20
and wink at our depravity; we quickly forget our most gross sins. The =
god we=20
have invented loves us unconditionally. He would not cast us into hell. =
Oh no!=20
He loves us just the way we are. He hates our sins, but He loves us! He =
is=20
preparing a bigger mansion for us than the one we already have! Each =
room has a=20
fireproof floor.
<o:p> </o:p>
<FONT=20
face=3DArial>God=92s timing is always perfect. The beaches were littered =
with=20
Sabbath breakers, many of them would have been saved had they been in=20
church.  =

<o:p> </o:p>
People=20
always look to someone, or something to blame. The tragedy might have =
been=20
averted in part had there been an early warning system in place. I =
don=92t think=20
an early warning system would have mattered much. I have been =
systematically=20
giving out warnings for years with little results. Jeremiah warned=20
<st1:country-region><st1:place>Israel</st1:place></st1:country-region> =
and the=20
surrounding nations for 40 years. They ignored his warnings to the =
bloody end.=20

<o:p> </o:p>
We ought=20
to count our blessings nervously. We are enjoying unmerited favor from =
God. We=20
as a nation are living on borrowed grace, grace that is rapidly =
expiring.=20

<o:p> </o:p>
Warren=20
Buffet, the Wizard of Wall Street, warns of an economic tsunami due to=20
<st1:country-region><st1:place>America</st1:place></st1:country-region>=92=
s 10=20
trillion dollar debt. He has invested heavily in foreign currencies. =
Buffet, a=20
pagan, puts his money where his mouth is. 
<o:p> </o:p>
Most=20
Christians who profess the 2nd Coming of Christ live =
carelessly. We=20
are idle as our nation provokes Almighty God to anger. 25,000 plus =
people killed=20
by an act of God is less than one week=92s work in=20
<st1:country-region><st1:place>America</st1:place></st1:country-region>=92=
s=20
abortuaries. The unborn children willfully killed are the most innocent =
and=20
helpless of our nation=92s people. 
<o:p> </o:p>
<FONT=20
face=3DArial>Christians are hostile to the messenger who warn the wicked =
about=20
God=92s judgment. They want to present a positive message! There is =
nothing very=20
positive about earthquakes and tsunamis. Would it be impolite to tell my =
neighbor =93your house is on fire?=94 Should=20
we not warn them about their souls?<o:p></o:p>
<B=20
style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><o:p> </o:p>
dan=20
holman, 
Missionaries to the Pre-born Iowa, (319) 601-9349 <A=20
href=3D"mailto:

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</A> =
<st1:address><st1:Street>P.O. Box 135</st1:Street> =
<st1:City>Keokuk</st1:City>,=20
<st1:State>IA</st1:State>=20
<st1:PostalCode>52632</st1:PostalCode></st1:address><o:p></o:p></F=
ONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> --   SAY THIS PRAYER: =
Dear Jesus, I=20
am a sinner and am headed to eternal hell because of my sins. I believe =
you died=20
on the cross to take away my sins and to take me to heaven. Jesus, I ask =
you now=20
to come into my heart and take away my sins and give me eternal life. =
<A=20
href=3D"http://www.ArmyofGod.com">http://www.ArmyofGod.com</A> =
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User: "NoSpamAllowed NoSpamAllowed"
Title: Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?"	28 Dec 2004 04:12:20 PM

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:59:52 -0500, "Rev. Donald Spitz"
<Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote:

"Why do bad things happen to good people?"

Because there is no God!
Get used to it Fundies!
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User: "Ray"
Title: Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?"	03 Jan 2005 09:01:02 AM

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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:59:52 -0500, "Rev. Donald Spitz"
<Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote:

"Why do bad things happen to good people?"

Because there is no God!

Get used to it Fundies!

Does someone need to be a Fundie to believe in God?
mmm that sounds very biggoted, may as well call em semites, considering most
semites believe in God, and its the same God of Abraham.
But like in history the Christians were too violent so too the Moslems are
doing it similar now days.
But prophecies are being fullfilled, and there is much evidence that God is
real.
What is the hard thing to believe is that so many people think they are
doing God's will by sons of bitches and murderers.
PEace

YEE-HAW!!!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!!! This is gonna be better than Spike TV!

Surf over to http://fallujapictures.blogspot.com/ for some cool pics
of all the fun!

------------------------------------------------------------------
The undeniable truth of politics is that people always
get the government they deserve, whether it is Saddam
Hussein in Iraq or George W. Bush in the United States.
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User: "bckwrds"
Title: Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?"	04 Jan 2005 10:21:32 AM

"Why do bad things happen to good people?"

Because with the Rainbow came a promise from God....
that God would not intervene again. God has kept that
promise. If one can not trust God, who can you trust?
Bad things happen to good people because ***** does
happen. But the main reason bad things happen to
good people is because evil made no promise to not
intervene into our lives. God expected people to learn.
Some did, some haven't, some never will.

Because there is no God!

Get used to it Fundies!

Does someone need to be a Fundie to believe in God?

mmm that sounds very biggoted, may as well call em semites, considering
most
semites believe in God, and its the same God of Abraham.

But like in history the Christians were too violent so too the Moslems are
doing it similar now days.

But prophecies are being fullfilled, and there is much evidence that God
is
real.

What is the hard thing to believe is that so many people think they are
doing God's will by sons of bitches and murderers.

PEace

User: "Besq"
Title: Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?"	05 Jan 2005 05:44:05 PM

"bckwrds" <bckwrds@theriver.com> wrote in message
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"Why do bad things happen to good people?"

Because with the Rainbow came a promise from God....
that God would not intervene again. God has kept that
promise. If one can not trust God, who can you trust?

But God didn't say He would never intervene again, He said He would not
flood the earth again. There's a difference and in the end times it sure
reads like God will be intervening in a big way.

Bad things happen to good people because ***** does
happen. But the main reason bad things happen to
good people is because evil made no promise to not
intervene into our lives. God expected people to learn.
Some did, some haven't, some never will.

Because there is no God!

Get used to it Fundies!

are

doing it similar now days.

But prophecies are being fullfilled, and there is much evidence that God
is
real.

What is the hard thing to believe is that so many people think they are
doing God's will by sons of bitches and murderers.

PEace

User: "bckwrds"
Title: Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?"	05 Jan 2005 08:40:53 PM

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"bckwrds" <bckwrds@theriver.com> wrote in message
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"Why do bad things happen to good people?"

Because with the Rainbow came a promise from God....
that God would not intervene again. God has kept that
promise. If one can not trust God, who can you trust?

But God didn't say He would never intervene again, He said He would not
flood the earth again. There's a difference and in the end times it sure
reads like God will be intervening in a big way.

but one must look at the results of that flood...the end effect and why
there was a flood in the first place....death...evil. Death can come
in many forms....and that is what I take it to all mean....that God
would not "flood" the earth again and start over once again. God
has intervened in my life as She has in others.....it can be like a
mystery and hard to figure out even when at times it's really super
simple.

Because there is no God!

Get used to it Fundies!

are

doing it similar now days.

But prophecies are being fullfilled, and there is much evidence that
God
is
real.

What is the hard thing to believe is that so many people think they are
doing God's will by sons of bitches and murderers.

PEace

User: "Besq"
Title: Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?"	06 Jan 2005 09:04:03 PM

"bckwrds" <bckwrds@theriver.com> wrote in message
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"Besq" <Besq*ns*@ispwest.com> wrote in message
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"bckwrds" <bckwrds@theriver.com> wrote in message
news:41dac2a6$0$2962$8b463f8a@news.nationwide.net...

"Why do bad things happen to good people?"

Because with the Rainbow came a promise from God....
that God would not intervene again. God has kept that
promise. If one can not trust God, who can you trust?

But God didn't say He would never intervene again, He said He would not
flood the earth again. There's a difference and in the end times it

sure

reads like God will be intervening in a big way.

In the end, Christ returns and a great part of the world makes war against
Him. He has the power so He intervenes and conquers so that the world will
live at peace under His rule and His Law. There will be great destruction,
it is described in the Bible, it will be worse than the flood of Noah.

Because there is no God!

Get used to it Fundies!

Does someone need to be a Fundie to believe in God?

mmm that sounds very biggoted, may as well call em semites,

considering

most
semites believe in God, and its the same God of Abraham.

But like in history the Christians were too violent so too the

Moslems

are

doing it similar now days.

But prophecies are being fullfilled, and there is much evidence that
God
is
real.

What is the hard thing to believe is that so many people think they

are

doing God's will by sons of bitches and murderers.

PEace

YEE-HAW!!!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!!! This is gonna be better than Spike

TV!

Surf over to http://fallujapictures.blogspot.com/ for some cool pics
of all the fun!

------------------------------------------------------------------
The undeniable truth of politics is that people always
get the government they deserve, whether it is Saddam
Hussein in Iraq or George W. Bush in the United States.
------------------------------------------------------------------

User: "Andrew W \Paranormal Agnostic"
Title: Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?"	07 Jan 2005 12:16:03 AM

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"Why do bad things happen to good people?"

Because with the Rainbow came a promise from God....
that God would not intervene again. God has kept that
promise. If one can not trust God, who can you trust?

But God didn't say He would never intervene again, He said He would not
flood the earth again. There's a difference and in the end times it sure
reads like God will be intervening in a big way.

The flood was supposed to wipe out evil. It failed. The people after the
flood were just as bad as the ones before. It was all for nothing.
The bible god failed.
--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved - to
others, nor disproved (agnostic).
"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has
been for us." ~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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User: "Besq"
Title: Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?"	07 Jan 2005 02:54:39 AM

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"bckwrds" <bckwrds@theriver.com> wrote in message
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"Why do bad things happen to good people?"

Because with the Rainbow came a promise from God....
that God would not intervene again. God has kept that
promise. If one can not trust God, who can you trust?

But God didn't say He would never intervene again, He said He would not
flood the earth again. There's a difference and in the end times it

sure

reads like God will be intervening in a big way.

The flood was supposed to wipe out evil. It failed. The people after the
flood were just as bad as the ones before. It was all for nothing.
The bible god failed.

I think it was a teaching, sort of an example. If God had intended to wipe
out evil, He would have killed Satan. The point for mankind is to learn to
resist Satan and his plans for mankind. God is still creating us, we have
to grow in spirit. Satan is trying to hinder that process out of envy and
intent to destroy God's master plan.

--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved - to
others, nor disproved (agnostic).

"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has
been for us." ~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)

Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner

User: "Andrew W \Paranormal Agnostic"
Title: Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?"	07 Jan 2005 03:59:17 PM

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"Why do bad things happen to good people?"

Because with the Rainbow came a promise from God....
that God would not intervene again. God has kept that
promise. If one can not trust God, who can you trust?

But God didn't say He would never intervene again, He said He would
not
flood the earth again. There's a difference and in the end times it

sure

reads like God will be intervening in a big way.

The flood was supposed to wipe out evil. It failed. The people after the
flood were just as bad as the ones before. It was all for nothing.
The bible god failed.

I think it was a teaching, sort of an example.

It was obviously an example to show that the only way to fix things is
through violence and destruction.
Ok, the earth needs fixing. Lets blow it up and kill everyone. Then it
should work better. That's what the christian god does so it must be the
best and only way.

If God had intended to wipe
out evil, He would have killed Satan.

If the bible god really intended to wipe out evil then he would have
flipping well done so by now. If we're lucky he might do it in the next
release of the bible - the new New testament - Return of the King.
Should be a good read.

The point for mankind is to learn to
resist Satan and his plans for mankind.

We're not learning. We seem to keep going back to kindergarten with the
serpent in the garden story again and again. We're stuck in a 'first year'
time loop.

God is still creating us, we have
to grow in spirit. Satan is trying to hinder that process out of envy
and
intent to destroy God's master plan.

God seems to be having a lot of trouble with that plan of his.
How many humans have suffered and died so far?
To think that it all started because one day he fancied some humans for
fellowship and he wanted someone to love him without him having to force
them.
That fancy became a plan and now look what it's become.
--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved - to
others, nor disproved (agnostic).
"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has
been for us." ~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
.

User: "Besq"
Title: Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?"	08 Jan 2005 05:50:29 PM

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"Why do bad things happen to good people?"

Because with the Rainbow came a promise from God....
that God would not intervene again. God has kept that
promise. If one can not trust God, who can you trust?

But God didn't say He would never intervene again, He said He would
not
flood the earth again. There's a difference and in the end times it

sure

reads like God will be intervening in a big way.

but one must look at the results of that flood...the end effect and

why

there was a flood in the first place....death...evil. Death can

come

in many forms....and that is what I take it to all mean....that God
would not "flood" the earth again and start over once again. God
has intervened in my life as She has in others.....it can be like a
mystery and hard to figure out even when at times it's really super
simple.

The flood was supposed to wipe out evil. It failed. The people after

the

flood were just as bad as the ones before. It was all for nothing.
The bible god failed.

I think it was a teaching, sort of an example.

If God had intended to wipe
out evil, He would have killed Satan.

The point for mankind is to learn to
resist Satan and his plans for mankind.

We're not learning. We seem to keep going back to kindergarten with the
serpent in the garden story again and again. We're stuck in a 'first year'
time loop.

Some are. I don't think God meant to get everyone this go 'round. People
think saved "from" instead of saved "for". Some are called now, suppose
they are the ones who will teach the rest in a world of peace? Instead of a
world of reward and punishment, some are being called to change inside.
Those being changed have chosen to give up the "pleasures" of this world
for the next. We don't have to appease this god, we have to choose to go
the way He is leading us. Surely you can see the world as its going now
will not last. Suppose there is a world where people are good to one
another, where you can leave your doors unlocked, where it isn't all about
money and things but trust and peace?

God is still creating us, we have
to grow in spirit. Satan is trying to hinder that process out of envy
and
intent to destroy God's master plan.

God seems to be having a lot of trouble with that plan of his.
How many humans have suffered and died so far?

To think that it all started because one day he fancied some humans for
fellowship and he wanted someone to love him without him having to force
them.
That fancy became a plan and now look what it's become.

--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved - to
others, nor disproved (agnostic).

"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has
been for us." ~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)

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User: "bckwrds"
Title: Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?"	07 Jan 2005 08:52:45 PM

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"Why do bad things happen to good people?"

Because with the Rainbow came a promise from God....
that God would not intervene again. God has kept that
promise. If one can not trust God, who can you trust?

But God didn't say He would never intervene again, He said He would not
flood the earth again. There's a difference and in the end times it
sure
reads like God will be intervening in a big way.

The flood was supposed to wipe out evil. It failed. The people after the
flood were just as bad as the ones before. It was all for nothing.
The bible god failed.

No, God didn't fail....the people did.
bckwrds
.

User: "Andrew W \Paranormal Agnostic"
Title: Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?"	07 Jan 2005 09:22:45 PM

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The flood was supposed to wipe out evil. It failed. The people after the
flood were just as bad as the ones before. It was all for nothing.
The bible god failed.

No, God didn't fail....the people did.

Why does God keep creating failures?
--
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but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved - to
others, nor disproved (agnostic).
"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has
been for us." ~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
Religion Exposed!
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User: "Andrew W \Paranormal Agnostic"
Title: Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?"	08 Jan 2005 04:30:57 PM

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The flood was supposed to wipe out evil. It failed. The people after
the flood were just as bad as the ones before. It was all for nothing.
The bible god failed.

No, God didn't fail....the people did.

Why does God keep creating failures?

you don't do your homework and thus fail and
then you blame God?

I'm not interested in ancient Jewish history.
I'm a technical minded person, not an amateur historian, and neither are the
majority of other people amateur historians.
What kind of god only saves you if you take up an interest in ancient Jewish
history? Because apparently without studying the Jewish scriptures you will
not be saved. That is not fair.
--
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but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved - to
others, nor disproved (agnostic).
"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has
been for us." ~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
Religion Exposed!
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User: "bckwrds"
Title: Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?"	08 Jan 2005 08:40:02 PM

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The flood was supposed to wipe out evil. It failed. The people after
the flood were just as bad as the ones before. It was all for nothing.
The bible god failed.

No, God didn't fail....the people did.

Why does God keep creating failures?

you don't do your homework and thus fail and
then you blame God?

I am not Jewish though I do consider myself a Jewish Christian these days.
I don't know a thing about the Jewish religion...well, at least not much.
I've
not ever studied the religion....I've never studied any religion but I have
read
the Bible. But I can tell you that God literally saved my life many times.
I would not be alive today if it weren't for God.
I consider myself a very technical minded person. I search for answers and
still I question. Some answers, however, come only with faith.
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User: "Besq"
Title: Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?"	11 Jan 2005 04:02:11 PM

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The flood was supposed to wipe out evil. It failed. The people after
the flood were just as bad as the ones before. It was all for

nothing.

The bible god failed.

No, God didn't fail....the people did.

Why does God keep creating failures?

you don't do your homework and thus fail and
then you blame God?

scriptures

you will not be saved. That is not fair.

have

read
the Bible. But I can tell you that God literally saved my life many

times.

I would not be alive today if it weren't for God.

I consider myself a very technical minded person. I search for answers

and

still I question. Some answers, however, come only with faith.

The Jewish religion is what is in the first part of the Bible. They've
"tweaked" it with the Talmud. Calling it the "Jewish" religion isn't quite
correct, it was the Israelite religion. Judah was only one tribe out of
twelve who all practised the same thing. They kept the Sabbath, your own
Bible tells you the Sabbath is the seventh day. Man changed it to the first
day of the week without God's permission or authority. There are seven holy
festivals that "man" has rejected that have a lot of meaning. "Man's"
Christianity is not the same as the Christianity of the Bible. Compare and
you'll see for yourself. There is a battle going on, "evil" tries to
corrupt the faith of the Bible and in many ways it has been successful.
Seek and ye shall find. If you are sincere in searching, God will see to it
you find the answers.
Here's a site that describes the holy days and festivals of the Bible:
http://www.lcg.org/files/booklets/hd/
You can read it online.

User: "R Steenerson"
Title: Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?"	19 Jan 2005 09:00:06 PM

"Besq" <Besq*ns*@ispwest.com> wrote in >message: The Jewish religion is

what is in the >first part of the Bible. They've "tweaked" it with >the
Talmud. Calling it the "Jewish" religion >isn't quite correct, it was the
Israelite religion. >Judah was only one tribe out of twelve who all

practised the same thing.

Hi,
I was not sure where you are going with this but, from the first part
though it seemed that you were saying that the Jews were the descendants of
Judah only. I simply want to point out that the 12 tribes you mentioned are
all part of Israel i.e. Judaism. Judaism belongs to the sons and
descendants of Jacob in the Bible (Genesis chapter 30 to about chapter 49).
Jacob was the father or Judah and 11 other sons with names like Reuben,
Benjamin, Joseph, etc.
.

User: "bckwrds"
Title: Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?"	11 Jan 2005 08:54:13 PM

I consider myself a Jewish Christian because I take the whole book
not just part of it. I am not a scholar and that's ok.
Thank you for the web site.
bckwrds

The Jewish religion is what is in the first part of the Bible. They've
"tweaked" it with the Talmud. Calling it the "Jewish" religion isn't
quite
correct, it was the Israelite religion. Judah was only one tribe out of
twelve who all practised the same thing. They kept the Sabbath, your own
Bible tells you the Sabbath is the seventh day. Man changed it to the
first
day of the week without God's permission or authority. There are seven
holy
festivals that "man" has rejected that have a lot of meaning. "Man's"
Christianity is not the same as the Christianity of the Bible. Compare
and
you'll see for yourself. There is a battle going on, "evil" tries to
corrupt the faith of the Bible and in many ways it has been successful.
Seek and ye shall find. If you are sincere in searching, God will see to
it
you find the answers.
Here's a site that describes the holy days and festivals of the Bible:
http://www.lcg.org/files/booklets/hd/
You can read it online.

User: "Pastor Dave"
Title: Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?"	04 Jan 2005 01:44:51 PM

On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:21:32 -0800, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, "bckwrds" <bckwrds@theriver.com>
pontificated:

"Why do bad things happen to good people?"

Because with the Rainbow came a promise from God....
that God would not intervene again. God has kept that
promise. If one can not trust God, who can you trust?

Well, He didn't say He wouldn't have any part in the
goings on on this planet. He did say that He would not
destroy the Earth again.

True enough.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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User: "Besq"
Title: Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?"	05 Jan 2005 05:39:24 PM

"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:21:32 -0800, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, "bckwrds" <bckwrds@theriver.com>
pontificated:

"Why do bad things happen to good people?"

Because with the Rainbow came a promise from God....
that God would not intervene again. God has kept that
promise. If one can not trust God, who can you trust?

Well, He didn't say He wouldn't have any part in the
goings on on this planet. He did say that He would not
destroy the Earth again.

I think it is that He won't destroy the earth with a flood again.
Gen 9:11 And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall
all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there
any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

True enough.

--

Pastor Dave Raymond

"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99

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User: "Pastor Dave"
Title: Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?"	05 Jan 2005 08:35:10 PM

On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:39:24 -0700, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, "Besq" <Besq*ns*@ispwest.com>
pontificated:

"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:21:32 -0800, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, "bckwrds" <bckwrds@theriver.com>
pontificated:

"Why do bad things happen to good people?"

Because with the Rainbow came a promise from God....
that God would not intervene again. God has kept that
promise. If one can not trust God, who can you trust?

Well, He didn't say He wouldn't have any part in the
goings on on this planet. He did say that He would not
destroy the Earth again.

I think it is that He won't destroy the earth with a flood again.

Correct. I sent an additional post stating that.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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User: "bckwrds"
Title: Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?"	04 Jan 2005 11:29:04 PM

"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:21:32 -0800, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, "bckwrds" <bckwrds@theriver.com>
pontificated:

"Why do bad things happen to good people?"

Because with the Rainbow came a promise from God....
that God would not intervene again. God has kept that
promise. If one can not trust God, who can you trust?

Well, He didn't say He wouldn't have any part in the
goings on on this planet. He did say that He would not
destroy the Earth again.

PF, did I say that God doesn't play a part in the our
lives? God works in mysterious ways, PF. Some of us
have figured out how. ;] You have that last sentence
correct!

True enough.

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Pastor Dave Raymond

"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99

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User: "Pastor Dave"
Title: Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?"	05 Jan 2005 11:04:06 AM

On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:29:04 -0800, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, "bckwrds" <bckwrds@theriver.com>
pontificated:

"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:21:32 -0800, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, "bckwrds" <bckwrds@theriver.com>
pontificated:

"Why do bad things happen to good people?"

Because with the Rainbow came a promise from God....
that God would not intervene again. God has kept that
promise. If one can not trust God, who can you trust?

Well, He didn't say He wouldn't have any part in the
goings on on this planet. He did say that He would not
destroy the Earth again.

PF, did I say that God doesn't play a part in the our
lives? God works in mysterious ways, PF. Some of us
have figured out how. ;] You have that last sentence
correct!

The initials of my handle here are not, "PF".
The following questions was asked...
"Why do bad things happen to good people?"
Your response was...
"Because with the Rainbow came a promise from God....
that God would not intervene again."
Certainly this person was discussing bad things that
happen to good people. I am not trying to pick on you.
I simply thought that your response was incorrect on
two counts.
1) You seem to agree that there are "good people".
This is implied by your response beginning with the
word, "Because".
Romans 3:12,23
12) They are all gone out of the way, they are together
become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no,
not one.
23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of
God;
2) The rainbow was a promise that God would not
intervene.
You say now that He does and that's fine. My point was
that the rainbow was a promise specific to not
destroying the world as He did that time. In fact, it
doesn't even say that He would not destroy the world
again. It just says He would do it THAT WAY again.
Genesis 9:14-15
14) And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud
over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the
cloud:
15) And I will remember my covenant, which is between
me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and
the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all
flesh.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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User: ""
Title: Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?"	28 Dec 2004 12:10:00 PM

Rev. Donald Spitz wrote:

"Why do bad things happen to good people?"

because they were not really good people, they were minions of satan.

Sunday's "act of God" is sure to raise the question again. Many

people wonder why so many innocent people had to die, especially the
children,
Because babay jesus wanted it that way.

Many modern day Christians have a false idea about the character and

nature of God. They have not read their bibles wholly. Their Old
Testament reading is in neglect. They shrug off God's severe judgments
toward those who rebel against Him.
praise the Lord Jesus!
.

User: "NoSpamAllowed NoSpamAllowed"
Title: Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?"	28 Dec 2004 04:14:41 PM

On 28 Dec 2004 10:10:00 -0800,

wrote:

Rev. Donald Spitz wrote:

"Why do bad things happen to good people?"

because they were not really good people, they were minions of satan.

Sunday's "act of God" is sure to raise the question again. Many

people wonder why so many innocent people had to die, especially the
children,

Because babay jesus wanted it that way.

Yeah, he is a bloodthirsty *****.
Of course, what do you expect when the Daddy God was used to killing whole
nations just for farting sideways?

Many modern day Christians have a false idea about the character and

nature of God. They have not read their bibles wholly. Their Old
Testament reading is in neglect. They shrug off God's severe judgments
toward those who rebel against Him.

praise the Lord Jesus!

And pass the Heavenly Ammo!
YEE-HAW!!!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!!! This is gonna be better than Spike TV!
Surf over to http://fallujapictures.blogspot.com/ for some cool pics
of all the fun!
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User: "The Elect"
Title: Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?"	28 Dec 2004 06:06:01 PM

The Elect Wrote:
Since *YOU* Beleive That They Were Minions Of Satan, "WHY" Did They
*LIVE* "IN" *THE* "FIRST" *PLACE*??? "NO" *LIFE* CAN BE WITHOUT *GOD*
AND *YOU* CANNOT BE WITHOUT *YOUR* MOTHER AND FATHER and *THEY* Could
*NOT* Be Without Their Mother And Father and So On And So Forth Until
*WE* Reach The *BEGINNING* "OF" *LIFE* IN THE KINGDOM OF *GOD*!!!
"THERE "IS" *NO* "WAY" *MAN* "OR" *WOMAN* "HAPPENED" *BY* "CHANCE",
*WE* "ARE" *TOO* "COMPLEX" *FOR* "CHANCE" *TO* "HAVE" *CREATED* "BOTH"
*MAN* and *WOMAN* "IN" *PERFECT* "BALANCE" *TO* "EACH" *OTHER* and THEN
"IF" *YOU* "WILL" *FACTOR* "IN" *THE* "REST" OF *LIFE*, "IT'S"
*OBVIOUS* "THAT" *THE* "HAND" OF *GOD* "IS" *INVOLVED* With That Also
Because "ALL" OF *CREATION* "IS" "PERFECTLY" *BALANCED* "ACCORDING"
*TO* "PERFECT" *HARMONY*...
Read For *YOURSELF* What The Definition Of "HARMONY" Means...
Main Entry: har?mo?ny
Pronunciation: 'h=E4=B2=ADm&-nE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -nies
Etymology: Middle English armony, from Middle French armonie, from
Latin harmonia, from Greek, joint, harmony, from harmos joint ?more at
ARM
Date: 14th century
1 : archaic : tuneful sound : MELODY
2 a : the combination of simultaneous musical notes in a chord b : the
structure of music with respect to the composition and progression of
chords c : the science of the structure, relation, and progression of
chords
3 a : pleasing or congruent arrangement of parts <a painting exhibiting
harmony of color and line> b : CORRESPONDENCE, ACCORD <lives in harmony
with her neighbors> c : internal calm : TRANQUILLITY
4 a : an interweaving of different accounts into a single narrative b :
a systematic arrangement of parallel literary passages (as of the
Gospels) for the purpose of showing agreement or harmony
5 The Balance Of All Life representing the harmonious trine of man,
woman, and *GOD*, male and female creatures, and *GOD* and husbands and
wives, and *GOD*. Making *LIFE* Completely Balanced According To The
Natural Laws Of Balance.
Main Entry: [1]bal?ance
Pronunciation: 'ba-l&n(t)s
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French, from (assumed) Vulgar Latin
bilancia, from Late Latin bilanc-, bilanx having two scalepans, from
Latin bi- + lanc-, lanx plate
Date: 13th century
1 : an instrument for weighing: as a : a beam that is supported freely
in the center and has two pans of equal weight suspended from its ends
b : a device that uses the elasticity of a spiral spring for measuring
weight or force c : capitalized : LIBRA
2 : a means of judging or deciding
3 : a counterbalancing weight, force, or influence
4 : an oscillating wheel operating with a hairspring to regulate the
movement of a timepiece
5 a : stability produced by even distribution of weight on each side of
the vertical axis b : equipoise between contrasting, opposing, or
interacting elements c : equality between the totals of the two sides
of an account
6 a : an aesthetically pleasing integration of elements b : the
juxtaposition in writing of syntactically parallel constructions
containing similar or contrasting ideas
7 a : physical equilibrium b : the ability to retain one's balance
8 a : weight or force of one side in excess of another b : something
left over : REMAINDER c : an amount in excess especially on the credit
side of an account
9 : mental and emotional steadiness
- bal?anced /-l&n(t)st/ adjective
- in the balance or in balance : with the fate or outcome about to be
determined
- on balance : with all things considered
And The Natural Laws Of "PROPORTION"...
Main Entry: [1]pro?por?tion
Pronunciation: pr&-'pOr-sh&n, -'por-
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English proporcion, from Middle French proportion,
from Latin proportion-, proportio, from pro for + portion-, portio
portion ?more at FOR
Date: 14th century
1 : harmonious relation of parts to each other or to the whole :
BALANCE, SYMMETRY
2 a : proper or equal share <each did her proportion of the work> b :
QUOTA, PERCENTAGE
3 : the relation of one part to another or to the whole with respect to
magnitude, quantity, or degree : RATIO
4 : SIZE, DIMENSION, CREATION
5 : a statement of equality between two ratios in which the first of
the four terms divided by the second equals the third divided by the
fourth (as in 4/2=3D10/5) ? compare EXTREME 1b, MEAN 1c
- in proportion : PROPORTIONAL 1
For Example, The Lion "IS" To The Lioness As Momma Bear "IS" To Poppa
Bear, As They *BOTH* "ARE" *TO* "THE" *CUB* "THEY" *NATURALLY* "GO"
*TOGETHER* JUST "LIKE" *TWO* "BIRDS" *OF* "A" *FEATHER* "FLOCK"
*TOGETHER* "OR" IF *YOU* WOULD CONSIDER "HOW A *RED* "ROSE" *NATURALLY*
"GOES" WITH *LOVE* and "IF" *ANYTHING* "CHANGES" THE NATURAL LAWS Of
*BALANCE* "IT" WILL BE "OUT OF BALANCE" WITH THE NATURAL LAWS
ESTABLISHED BY *GOD*.
*GOD* "ESTABLISHED" *THE* "ORDER" *FOR* "ALL" *LIFE* "TO" *LIVE* "BY"
*HIS* "NATURAL" *LAWS* "OF" *BALANCE*!!! During These Days Of Darkness
Filled Hearts We Have To Invoke The Light Of Love In Order To "COUNTER"
The Scales Of Balance "OR" *MANY* "WILL" *PERISH* and That Will Leave A
Void In The Ancestral Lineage Of *YOUR* Families. If Too Much *EVIL*
Gets Spread Around *HIS* Garden *HE* "ALWAYS" *CLEANS* "IT" *OUT*!!!
*KNOW* "THIS"... "Living By" *HIS* "LAWS" Will Show *OBEDIENCE* To
*GOD* and *KEEP* "YOU" *ALIVE*!!!
I Bid *YOU* Peace...
The Elect (*LIVES* By "The Grace" Of *GOD*)
P=2ES. IN "THE LIGHT" Of *HIS* "LOVE" *YOU* Will Find *HEALING* For
*YOUR* "Sufferings" IN *LIFE*, Seek The Lord and *KNOW* That "YOU"
Shall Be *HEALED*...
.

User: "Andrew W \Paranormal Agnostic"
Title: Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?"	28 Dec 2004 07:41:38 PM

"The Elect" <lightwing07@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1104278761.821618.193300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The Elect Wrote:
Since *YOU* Beleive That They Were Minions Of Satan, "WHY" Did They
*LIVE* "IN" *THE* "FIRST" *PLACE*??? "NO" *LIFE* CAN BE WITHOUT *GOD*
AND *YOU* CANNOT BE WITHOUT *YOUR* MOTHER AND FATHER and *THEY* Could
*NOT* Be Without Their Mother And Father and So On And So Forth Until
*WE* Reach The *BEGINNING* "OF" *LIFE* IN THE KINGDOM OF *GOD*!!!
"THERE "IS" *NO* "WAY" *MAN* "OR" *WOMAN* "HAPPENED" *BY* "CHANCE",
*WE* "ARE" *TOO* "COMPLEX" *FOR* "CHANCE" *TO* "HAVE" *CREATED* "BOTH"
*MAN* and *WOMAN* "IN" *PERFECT* "BALANCE" *TO* "EACH" *OTHER* and THEN
"IF" *YOU* "WILL" *FACTOR* "IN" *THE* "REST" OF *LIFE*, "IT'S"
*OBVIOUS* "THAT" *THE* "HAND" OF *GOD* "IS" *INVOLVED* With That Also
Because "ALL" OF *CREATION* "IS" "PERFECTLY" *BALANCED* "ACCORDING"
*TO* "PERFECT" *HARMONY*...
I'm seeing stars after trying to read that.
I don't have a clue what it says and I'm not game enough to try again.
--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved - to
others, nor disproved (agnostic).
"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has
been for us." ~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
.

User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic"
Title: Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?"	08 Sep 2005 06:51:05 PM

Same here, my feeling is that he/she loves to type, but has no desire to be
read...
"Andrew W (Paranormal Agnostic)" <nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote
in message news:41d20b51$0$6542$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

"The Elect" <lightwing07@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1104278761.821618.193300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The Elect Wrote:

Since *YOU* Beleive That They Were Minions Of Satan, "WHY" Did They
*LIVE* "IN" *THE* "FIRST" *PLACE*??? "NO" *LIFE* CAN BE WITHOUT *GOD*
AND *YOU* CANNOT BE WITHOUT *YOUR* MOTHER AND FATHER and *THEY* Could
*NOT* Be Without Their Mother And Father and So On And So Forth Until
*WE* Reach The *BEGINNING* "OF" *LIFE* IN THE KINGDOM OF *GOD*!!!

"THERE "IS" *NO* "WAY" *MAN* "OR" *WOMAN* "HAPPENED" *BY* "CHANCE",
*WE* "ARE" *TOO* "COMPLEX" *FOR* "CHANCE" *TO* "HAVE" *CREATED* "BOTH"
*MAN* and *WOMAN* "IN" *PERFECT* "BALANCE" *TO* "EACH" *OTHER* and THEN
"IF" *YOU* "WILL" *FACTOR* "IN" *THE* "REST" OF *LIFE*, "IT'S"
*OBVIOUS* "THAT" *THE* "HAND" OF *GOD* "IS" *INVOLVED* With That Also
Because "ALL" OF *CREATION* "IS" "PERFECTLY" *BALANCED* "ACCORDING"
*TO* "PERFECT" *HARMONY*...

I'm seeing stars after trying to read that.
I don't have a clue what it says and I'm not game enough to try again.

--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved - to
others, nor disproved (agnostic).

"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has
been for us." ~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)

Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner

User: "Shaqad"
Title: Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?"	09 Sep 2005 12:26:40 AM

"Why do bad things happen to good people"?
Imagine if to be a Christian meant no sickness, no pain, no troubles,
no death; every one would be a Christian just for those benefits! But
we in Christ know that the benefit is even greater, eternal life in the
Kingdom of God even.
.

User: "Libertarius"
Title: Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?"	09 Sep 2005 09:20:46 PM

Shaqad wrote:

"Why do bad things happen to good people"?

===>Because Nature does not discriminate.
Read the book of ECCLESIASTES, the only rational
book in the collection called "Bible".

Imagine if to be a Christian meant no sickness, no pain, no troubles,
no death; every one would be a Christian just for those benefits!

===>They sure would!
And would never die, since "death" was supposedly abolished
by Christos.
However, Christians do get sick and die every day!

But
we in Christ know that the benefit is even greater, eternal life in the
Kingdom of God even.

===>Ah, the old cop-out: a slice of the eternal
PIE IN THE SKY! -- L.
.

User: "The Elect"
Title: Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?"</