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17 Dec 2004 02:06:03 PM |
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"Lawrence Wong" <s371388@student.uq.edu.au> wrote in message
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"Phyllis Sofficle" <phisoff@bang.com> writes:
If we suffer for our sins while we're alive then why do we have to suffer
again when we die?
We suffer *from* sin while we are alive, one only suffers "again" if one
does not accept Jesus' free offer of salvation
But basically it's a case of 'resistance is futile' isn't it.
It doesn't sound very 'free' and loving to me. It sounds rather oppressive.
(ie. you choose to suffer
again when you die)...
Why would anyone choose to suffer?
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| User: "bob young" |
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17 Dec 2004 08:32:53 PM |
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Phyllis Sofficle wrote:
"Lawrence Wong" <s371388@student.uq.edu.au> wrote in message
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"Phyllis Sofficle" <phisoff@bang.com> writes:
If we suffer for our sins while we're alive then why do we have to suffer
again when we die?
We suffer *from* sin while we are alive, one only suffers "again" if one
does not accept Jesus' free offer of salvation
But basically it's a case of 'resistance is futile' isn't it.
It doesn't sound very 'free' and loving to me. It sounds rather oppressive.
It was, early man declared that sin against his imaginary god lead to eternity
in hell [they were stupid then they believed it!]
some still do
(ie. you choose to suffer
again when you die)...
Why would anyone choose to suffer?
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| User: "Razzer" |
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17 Dec 2004 03:48:31 PM |
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We suffer *from* sin while we are alive, one only suffers "again" if
one
does not accept Jesus' free offer of salvation (ie. you choose to
suffer
again when you die)...
Except the fact that people are predestined, so it really doesn't
matter much anyway, because you could easily never go into heaven even
if you accept Jesus!
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17 Dec 2004 04:47:59 PM |
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On 17 Dec 2004 13:48:31 -0800, "Razzer" <coolmandan@gmail.com> wrote:
Except the fact that people are predestined, so it really doesn't
matter much anyway, because you could easily never go into heaven even
if you accept Jesus!
Using your logic and your harebrained exegesis, those who were predestined
to accept Jesus were predestined to enter heaven. Package deal.
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| User: "Andrew W \Paranormal Agnostic" |
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17 Dec 2004 05:18:54 PM |
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"George Peatty" <pttyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote in message
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On 17 Dec 2004 13:48:31 -0800, "Razzer" <coolmandan@gmail.com> wrote:
Except the fact that people are predestined, so it really doesn't
matter much anyway, because you could easily never go into heaven even
if you accept Jesus!
Using your logic and your harebrained exegesis, those who were predestined
to accept Jesus were predestined to enter heaven. Package deal.
i.e. no free choice.
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Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved nor
disproved (agnostic).
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been for us." ~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
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| User: "duke" |
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18 Dec 2004 07:40:16 AM |
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On 17 Dec 2004 13:48:31 -0800, "Razzer" <coolmandan@gmail.com> wrote:
We suffer *from* sin while we are alive, one only suffers "again" if
one
does not accept Jesus' free offer of salvation (ie. you choose to
suffer
again when you die)...
Except the fact that people are predestined, so it really doesn't
matter much anyway, because you could easily never go into heaven even
if you accept Jesus!
No, we are not predestined. The sin of A&E was to "elect" to say no to God. We face this
same decision to this day - to say yes to God or no to God.
duke
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Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
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25 Dec 2004 07:39:17 PM |
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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 07:40:16 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On 17 Dec 2004 13:48:31 -0800, "Razzer" <coolmandan@gmail.com> wrote:
We suffer *from* sin while we are alive, one only suffers "again" if
one
does not accept Jesus' free offer of salvation (ie. you choose to
suffer
again when you die)...
Except the fact that people are predestined, so it really doesn't
matter much anyway, because you could easily never go into heaven even
if you accept Jesus!
No, we are not predestined. The sin of A&E was to "elect" to say no to God. We face this
same decision to this day - to say yes to God or no to God.
Poor God. He is such a failure as a creator. He blew it with his first humans.
But, God is love, right, and a loving God would only want the very best for his
creations, and nobody would say no to that.
duke
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"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for
their numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible;
in my opinion, only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
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12 Feb 2006 12:49:22 PM |
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Why is it that so many who preach "predestination" want to see people
predestined to hell, so badly that they ignor the texts which predestine
*everyone* to be saved, like, for example 1 Tim.2:3-4 ??
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On 17 Dec 2004 13:48:31 -0800, "Razzer" <coolmandan@gmail.com> wrote:
We suffer *from* sin while we are alive, one only suffers "again" if
one
does not accept Jesus' free offer of salvation (ie. you choose to
suffer
again when you die)...
Except the fact that people are predestined, so it really doesn't
matter much anyway, because you could easily never go into heaven even
if you accept Jesus!
No, we are not predestined. The sin of A&E was to "elect" to say no to
God. We face this
same decision to this day - to say yes to God or no to God.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
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Glenn posted on Sun, Feb 12 2006 10:49 am:
Why is it that so many who preach "predestination"
want to see people predestined to hell, so badly
that they ignore the texts which predestine
*everyone* to be saved, like, for example
1 Timothy 2:3-4 ?
God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved,
and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For
there is one God, and one mediator between God and
men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom
for all, to be testified in due time.
1 Timothy 2:3-6
Who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those
that believe. 1 Timothy 4:10
He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours
only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 2:2
All the ends of the world shall remember and turn
unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations
shall worship before thee. Psalms 22:27
There is no God else beside me; a just God and a
Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and
be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am
God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself,
the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness,
and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall
bow, every tongue shall swear. Isaiah 45:21-23
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Eric posted on Sun, Feb 12 2006 12:30 pm:
That's because "everyone" means everyone with the
spirit of God. Those without the spirit of God are
not going to be considered human. That is why they
deserve hell, and are predestined to hell.
The love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the
Holy Ghost which is given unto us. For when we were
yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the
ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one
die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even
dare to die. But God commendeth his love toward us,
in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for
us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood,
we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if,
when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by
the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we
shall be saved by his life. Romans 5:5-10
Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name
of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye
shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:38
Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?
Acts 19:2
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Andrew posted on Sun, Feb 12 2006 11:38 pm:
So God creates certain individuals just for hell?
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even
the wicked for the day of evil. Proverbs 16:4
The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the
nations that forget God. Psalms 9:17
Andrew posted on Sun, Feb 12 2006 11:38 pm:
What on earth would be the purpose of that?
What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make
his power known, endured with much longsuffering the
vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he
might make known the riches of his glory on the
vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto
glory... Romans 9:22-23
Andrew posted on Sun, Feb 12 2006 11:38 pm:
What a monstrous suggestion to make.
When Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our
father Isaac; (For the children being not yet born,
neither having done any good or evil, that the
purpose of God according to election might stand, not
of works, but of him that calleth;) It was said unto
her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is
written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
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What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with
God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have
mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have
compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it
is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth,
but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture
saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I
raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee,
and that my name might be declared throughout all the
earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have
mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
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Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find
fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O
man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall
the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast
thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the
clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto
honour, and another unto dishonour? Romans 9:10-21
The foundation of God standeth sure, having this
seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let
every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from
iniquity. But in a great house there are not only
vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and
of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall
be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the
master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
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Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness,
faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the
Lord out of a pure heart. But foolish and unlearned
questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be
gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In
meekness instructing those that oppose themselves;
if God peradventure will give them repentance to the
acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover
themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are
taken captive by him at his will. 2 Timothy 2:19-26
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of
God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither
tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when
he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then
when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and
sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
James 1:13-15
Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have
no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the
wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye
from your evil ways; for why will ye die...?
Ezekiel 33:11
Andrew posted on Sun, Feb 12 2006 11:38 pm:
Did you get that idea from that Bible of yours
again? When are you going to find a better book to
read?
-From a child thou hast known the holy scriptures,
which are able to make thee wise unto salvation
through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture
is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may
be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Timothy 3:15-17
Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of
naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted
word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye
doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving
your own selves. James 1:21-22
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of
incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and
abideth for ever. For all flesh is as grass, and all
the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass
withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But
the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is
the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
1 Peter 1:23-25
Andrew posted on Sun, Feb 12 2006 11:38 pm:
Beware of invisible entities that coerce you into
a life of worship and sacrifice.
Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us
meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints
in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of
darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of
his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his
blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image
of the invisible God... Colossians 1:12-15
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of
God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice,
holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable
service. And be not conformed to this world: but be
ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye
may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and
perfect, will of God. Romans 12:1-2
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour
and power: for thou hast created all things, and for
thy pleasure they are and were created.
Revelation 4:11
Andrew posted on Sun, Feb 12 2006 11:38 pm:
Beware of any being who offers you a gift in the
form of death and suffering.
God so loved the world, that he gave his only
begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should
not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent
not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but
that the world through him might be saved.
John 3:16-17
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit,
that we are the children of God: And if children,
then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with
Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we
may be also glorified together. For I reckon that the
sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be
compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
Romans 8:16-18
-For which cause we faint not; but though our outward
man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.
For our light affliction, which is but for a moment,
worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal
weight of glory; While we look not at the things
which are seen, but at the things which are not
seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but
the things which are not seen are eternal.
2 Corinthians 4:16-18
Andrew posted on Sun, Feb 12 2006 11:38 pm:
Beware of any religion that makes free-mindedness
a crime. Free-mindedness is foolishness to those
whose brains are perishing.
We have the mind of Christ. 1 Corinthians 2:16
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that
exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and
bringing into captivity every thought to the
obedience of Christ... 2 Corinthians 10:5
The preaching of the cross is to them that perish
foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the
power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the
wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the
understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise?
where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this
world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this
world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world
by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the
foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
1 Corinthians 1:18-21
If our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are
lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the
minds of them which believe not, lest the light of
the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of
God, should shine unto them. 2 Corinthians 4:3-4
Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh
the devil, and taketh away the word out of their
hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
Luke 8:12
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12 Feb 2006 02:30:49 PM |
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On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:49:22 -0600, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
Why is it that so many who preach "predestination" want to see people
predestined to hell, so badly that they ignor the texts which predestine
*everyone* to be saved, like, for example 1 Tim.2:3-4 ??
That's because "everyone" means everyone with the spirit of God. Those
without the spirit of God are not going to be considered human. That
is why they deserve hell, and are predestined to hell.
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On 17 Dec 2004 13:48:31 -0800, "Razzer" <coolmandan@gmail.com> wrote:
We suffer *from* sin while we are alive, one only suffers "again" if
one
does not accept Jesus' free offer of salvation (ie. you choose to
suffer
again when you die)...
Except the fact that people are predestined, so it really doesn't
matter much anyway, because you could easily never go into heaven even
if you accept Jesus!
No, we are not predestined. The sin of A&E was to "elect" to say no to
God. We face this
same decision to this day - to say yes to God or no to God.
That's actually a ridiculous claim if you think about it. No one in
the world is going to say no to God. The real problem is, there are
not too many people in the world know the true God.
When the crusaders said yes to God, they actually said yes to the
devil. When the terrorists said yes to God, they actually killed God.
The reason there is evil in this world is because people say yes to
the wrong god.
duke
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Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
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13 Feb 2006 01:38:33 AM |
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"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:49:22 -0600, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
Why is it that so many who preach "predestination" want to see people
predestined to hell, so badly that they ignor the texts which predestine
*everyone* to be saved, like, for example 1 Tim.2:3-4 ??
That's because "everyone" means everyone with the spirit of God.
No Eric, "everyone" means everyone, unless otherwise specified.
You are twisting the doctrine to force it to make sense.
You're a true Christian.
Those
without the spirit of God are not going to be considered human.
Every living person has a so called spirit of God or inner Godforce.
Every living thing has an essence, even a leaf.
How can you say that some are not human? A human is a human.
That
is why they deserve hell, and are predestined to hell.
So God creates certain individuals just for hell?
What on earth would be the purpose of that?
What a monstrous suggestion to make.
Did you get that idea from that Bible of yours again?
When are you going to find a better book to read?
--
Andrew W.
Beware of invisible entities that coerce you into a life of worship and
sacrifice.
Beware of any being who offers you a gift in the form of death and
suffering.
Beware of any religion that makes free-mindedness a crime.
Free-mindedness is foolishness to those whose brains are perishing.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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19 Feb 2006 01:43:28 PM |
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"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:49:22 -0600, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
Why is it that so many who preach "predestination" want to see people
predestined to hell, so badly that they ignor the texts which predestine
*everyone* to be saved, like, for example 1 Tim.2:3-4 ??
That's because "everyone" means everyone with the spirit of God.
No Eric, "everyone" means everyone, unless otherwise specified.
Exactly !
You are twisting the doctrine to force it to make sense.
Eric twisted the scriptures to fit his doctrine,
the doctrine of the scriptures themselves make sense, just as it is, there
was no need to twist the text here.
You're a true Christian.
I don't believe you know what a "true Christian" is.
Those
without the spirit of God are not going to be considered human.
Every living person has a so called spirit of God or inner Godforce.
Every living thing has an essence, even a leaf.
Agreed, such is why eventually, somehow, God only needs to know how, He
(God) will cause, even you, to accept Him, to know the truth, and to be
saved.
How can you say that some are not human? A human is a human.
That is why they deserve hell, and are predestined to hell.
Eric, you aren't God, thank God
So God creates certain individuals just for hell?
No
What on earth would be the purpose of that?
What a monstrous suggestion to make.
Did you get that idea from that Bible of yours again?
As Eric and I turn to the same Bible, I doubt it.
When are you going to find a better book to read?
Eric's problem isn't the book, it has more to do with his indoctrination, or
lack of reading skills.
--
Andrew W.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
Beware of invisible entities that coerce you into a life of worship and
sacrifice.
Beware of any being who offers you a gift in the form of death and
suffering.
Beware of any religion that makes free-mindedness a crime.
Free-mindedness is foolishness to those whose brains are perishing.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
You expose only yourself.
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20 Feb 2006 02:53:03 AM |
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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the doctrine of the scriptures themselves make sense, just as it is, there
was no need to twist the text here.
You're a true Christian.
I don't believe you know what a "true Christian" is.
Tell me what a true Christian is Glenn.
Those
without the spirit of God are not going to be considered human.
Every living person has a so called spirit of God or inner Godforce.
Every living thing has an essence, even a leaf.
Agreed, such is why eventually, somehow, God only needs to know how, He
(God) will cause, even you, to accept Him, to know the truth, and to be
saved.
How can one accept that which no one has ever been able to properly explain?
And what am I being saved from?
--
Andrew W.
Beware of invisible entities that coerce you into a life of worship and
sacrifice.
Beware of any being who offers you a gift in the form of death and
suffering.
Beware of any religion that makes free-mindedness a crime.
Free-mindedness is foolishness to those whose brains are perishing.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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04 May 2006 08:38:03 PM |
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"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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the doctrine of the scriptures themselves make sense, just as it is,
there
was no need to twist the text here.
You're a true Christian.
I don't believe you know what a "true Christian" is.
Tell me what a true Christian is Glenn.
Anyone trying to live according to Christ's teachings, and example, rather
vague, but that is what the word *Christian* means
Those
without the spirit of God are not going to be considered human.
Every living person has a so called spirit of God or inner Godforce.
Every living thing has an essence, even a leaf.
Agreed, such is why eventually, somehow, God only needs to know how, He
(God) will cause, even you, to accept Him, to know the truth, and to be
saved.
How can one accept that which no one has ever been able to properly
explain?
Re-read the above, note the words "God only needs to know how". It is God's
*will* that everyone becomes saved, and comes to the full knowledge of the
truth, this includes you.
And what am I being saved from?
Knowing you, I would say from yourself.
--
Andrew W. Beware of invisible entities that coerce you into a life of
worship and sacrifice.
Beware of any being who offers you a gift in the form of death and
suffering.
Beware of any religion that makes free-mindedness a crime.
Free-mindedness is foolishness to those whose brains are perishing.
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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the doctrine of the scriptures themselves make sense, just as it is,
there
was no need to twist the text here.
You're a true Christian.
I don't believe you know what a "true Christian" is.
Tell me what a true Christian is Glenn.
Anyone trying to live according to Christ's teachings, and example, rather
vague, but that is what the word *Christian* means
Hmm. That's what Catholics try their best to do. So why do protestants claim
in such a nasty way that Catholics are not Christians?
Those
without the spirit of God are not going to be considered human.
Every living person has a so called spirit of God or inner Godforce.
Every living thing has an essence, even a leaf.
Agreed, such is why eventually, somehow, God only needs to know how, He
(God) will cause, even you, to accept Him, to know the truth, and to be
saved.
How can one accept that which no one has ever been able to properly
explain?
Re-read the above, note the words "God only needs to know how".
Hmm. A closed concept. No validation or justification required what so ever.
Just blind belief. How convenient.
It is God's *will* that everyone becomes saved, and comes to the full
knowledge of the truth, this includes you.
Well the way this worlds going so far it doesn't look like that's going to
happen.
Someone's done some really bad planning.
And what am I being saved from?
Knowing you, I would say from yourself.
I only have the religionist community's word for that, and the religionists
don't have a very good track record for real world credibility. In fact most
of the time they can't even agree with each other.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
--
Andrew W.
“Belief is the death of intelligence. As soon as one believes a doctrine of
any sort, or assumes certitude, one stops thinking about that aspect of
existence.”
~ Robert Anton Wilson
"The Bible tells us to be like God, and then on page after page it describes
God as a mass murderer. This may be the single most important key to the
political behaviour of Western Civilization.”
~ Robert Anton Wilson
Religion Exposed!
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18 May 2006 08:34:26 PM |
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"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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the doctrine of the scriptures themselves make sense, just as it is,
there
was no need to twist the text here.
You're a true Christian.
I don't believe you know what a "true Christian" is.
Tell me what a true Christian is Glenn.
Anyone trying to live according to Christ's teachings, and example,
rather vague, but that is what the word *Christian* means
Hmm. That's what Catholics try their best to do. So why do protestants
claim in such a nasty way that Catholics are not Christians?
I am not a Catholic, or a Protestant, that's their problem
Those without the spirit of God are not going to be considered
human.
Every living person has a so called spirit of God or inner Godforce.
Every living thing has an essence, even a leaf.
Agreed, such is why eventually, somehow, God only needs to know how, He
(God) will cause, even you, to accept Him, to know the truth, and to be
saved.
How can one accept that which no one has ever been able to properly
explain?
Re-read the above, note the words "God only needs to know how".
Hmm. A closed concept. No validation or justification required what so
ever. Just blind belief. How convenient.
Re-read what I said, unless of course you are talking about God's faith,
because our 'blind faith', or the lack thereof doesn't play into it, God
will cause you to come to salvation and the full knowledge of the truth, and
only God needs to know how this will be done.
It is God's *will* that everyone becomes saved, and comes to the full
knowledge of the truth, this includes you.
Well the way this worlds going so far it doesn't look like that's going to
happen.
Someone's done some really bad planning.
God works in mysterious ways, often after all hope is lost, a miracle
happens. So it really doesn't matter what "things look like"
And what am I being saved from?
Knowing you, I would say from yourself.
I only have the religionist community's word for that, and the
religionists don't have a very good track record for real world
credibility. In fact most of the time they can't even agree with each
other.
Actually, such is of little, to no importance, it is all God, in the end.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
--
Andrew W.
<idiocy snipped>
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18 May 2006 11:03:42 PM |
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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God
will cause you to come to salvation and the full knowledge of the truth, and
only God needs to know how this will be done.
I always find it interesting how often believers will say that only God knows
how or why he does something or allows something to happen, then they will turn
around and attribute to him all sorts of attributes that describe the types of
actions one could expect from someone, like "loving", or "compassionate", or
"protectful", etc. which are all terms laden with limits on how or why a person
would do something, or what they would do or permit. For example, when a person
is "loving" toward someone, then they do not engage in unnecessary cruelty or
knowingly let that someone go through easily preventable pain and suffering.
The word "loving" places a limit on the activities you can expect from their
subject, and renders them more predictable in a positive way.
If "God" is *really* essentially unknowable, then nobody knows that he is
loving or compassionate or wise, or anything at all. You can not say anything
at all about him.
--
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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23 May 2006 07:50:49 PM |
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WOW a genius in his own deluded mind !
"John Jacobson" <Formerly Saved <NoGod@all.com> wrote in message
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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God
will cause you to come to salvation and the full knowledge of the truth,
and
only God needs to know how this will be done.
I always find it interesting how often believers will say that only God
knows
how or why he does something or allows something to happen, then they will
turn
around and attribute to him all sorts of attributes that describe the
types of
actions one could expect from someone, like "loving", or "compassionate",
or
"protectful", etc. which are all terms laden with limits on how or why a
person
would do something, or what they would do or permit. For example, when a
person
is "loving" toward someone, then they do not engage in unnecessary cruelty
or
knowingly let that someone go through easily preventable pain and
suffering.
The word "loving" places a limit on the activities you can expect from
their
subject, and renders them more predictable in a positive way.
If "God" is *really* essentially unknowable, then nobody knows that he is
loving or compassionate or wise, or anything at all. You can not say
anything
at all about him.
--
***Free Your Mind***
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23 May 2006 10:07:03 PM |
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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WOW a genius in his own deluded mind !
Is that your full response to my point about the contradiction between the
alleged "unknowability" of God and Christians continual statements of what they
think they know about God? Just a weak personal attack on my mental state? Why
such an ineffective reply? Is your God abandoning you to your own devices when
you post here, refusing to help you out for some reason?
--
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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02 Jun 2006 02:10:34 PM |
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"John Jacobson" <Formerly Saved <NoGod@all.com> wrote in message
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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WOW a genius in his own deluded mind !
Is that your full response to my point about the contradiction between the
alleged "unknowability" of God and Christians continual statements of what
they
think they know about God?
They don't "think" they know
They *know*
Just a weak personal attack on my mental state? Why
such an ineffective reply?
An ineffective post deserved nothing more, it did nothing but to display
your mind-set.
Is your God abandoning you to your own devices when
you post here, refusing to help you out for some reason?
I am not the one in need of help, and He won't help those who refuse it.
--
***Free Your Mind***
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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22 Jun 2006 06:23:41 PM |
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"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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the doctrine of the scriptures themselves make sense, just as it is,
there
was no need to twist the text here.
You're a true Christian.
I don't believe you know what a "true Christian" is.
Tell me what a true Christian is Glenn.
Anyone trying to live according to Christ's teachings, and example,
rather vague, but that is what the word *Christian* means
Hmm. That's what Catholics try their best to do. So why do protestants
claim in such a nasty way that Catholics are not Christians?
That's their problem, not mine... It still doesn't change what the word
Christian means.
Those without the spirit of God are not going to be considered
human.
Every living person has a so called spirit of God or inner Godforce.
Every living thing has an essence, even a leaf.
Agreed, such is why eventually, somehow, God only needs to know how, He
(God) will cause, even you, to accept Him, to know the truth, and to be
saved.
How can one accept that which no one has ever been able to properly
explain?
Re-read the above, note the words "God only needs to know how".
Hmm. A closed concept. No validation or justification required what so
ever.
God is God, He doesn't have to explain everything to us.
Just blind belief. How convenient.
It is God's *will* that everyone becomes saved, and comes to the full
knowledge of the truth, this includes you.
Well the way this worlds going so far it doesn't look like that's going to
happen.
It really doesn't matter how it "looks" to you, or anyone else, with God
nothing is impossible.
Someone's done some really bad planning.
It isn't over, until it is over, judging sooner than that, is useless.
And what am I being saved from?
Knowing you, I would say from yourself.
I only have the religionist community's word for that, and the
religionists don't have a very good track record for real world
credibility. In fact most of the time they can't even agree with each
other.
The 'community' isn't what we need to worry about.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
--
Andrew W. "Belief is the death of intelligence. As soon as one believes a
doctrine of any sort, or assumes certitude, one stops thinking about that
aspect of existence."
~ Robert Anton Wilson
"The Bible tells us to be like God, and then on page after page it
describes God as a mass murderer. This may be the single most important
key to the political behaviour of Western Civilization."
~ Robert Anton Wilson
I thought you dropped these quotes
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
I see you are still exposing yourself
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
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| User: "Andrew W" |
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23 Jun 2006 03:27:38 AM |
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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Tell me what a true Christian is Glenn.
Anyone trying to live according to Christ's teachings, and example,
rather vague, but that is what the word *Christian* means
Hmm. That's what Catholics try their best to do. So why do protestants
claim in such a nasty way that Catholics are not Christians?
That's their problem, not mine... It still doesn't change what the word
Christian means.
So much for Christians sticking together.
A flock it is definitely not.
Those without the spirit of God are not going to be considered
human.
Every living person has a so called spirit of God or inner Godforce.
Every living thing has an essence, even a leaf.
Agreed, such is why eventually, somehow, God only needs to know how,
He
(God) will cause, even you, to accept Him, to know the truth, and to
be
saved.
How can one accept that which no one has ever been able to properly
explain?
Re-read the above, note the words "God only needs to know how".
Hmm. A closed concept. No validation or justification required what so
ever.
God is God, He doesn't have to explain everything to us.
A good God would.
Evil is usually secretive and cryptic. Evil likes to cause confusion and
division.
The Christian god causes division. He even arrogantly admitted once that he
came to divide.
Just blind belief. How convenient.
It is God's *will* that everyone becomes saved, and comes to the full
knowledge of the truth, this includes you.
Well the way this worlds going so far it doesn't look like that's going
to happen.
It really doesn't matter how it "looks" to you, or anyone else, with God
nothing is impossible.
That last bit is an empty statement - filled with blind faith for an entity
from an old book whom you cannot even properly identify.
Someone's done some really bad planning.
It isn't over, until it is over, judging sooner than that, is useless.
Another empty statement.
When are you going to take responsibility for the running of your own life?
And what am I being saved from?
Knowing you, I would say from yourself.
I only have the religionist community's word for that, and the
religionists don't have a very good track record for real world
credibility. In fact most of the time they can't even agree with each
other.
The 'community' isn't what we need to worry about.
Then I have nothing to worry about, because there's no one else trying to
convince me that I need saving.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
--
Andrew W.
The Christian god gives you free choice but then punishes you if you don't
go with his choice.
????
Religion Exposed!
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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26 Jun 2006 08:27:09 PM |
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"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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Tell me what a true Christian is Glenn.
Anyone trying to live according to Christ's teachings, and example,
rather vague, but that is what the word *Christian* means
Hmm. That's what Catholics try their best to do. So why do protestants
claim in such a nasty way that Catholics are not Christians?
That's their problem, not mine... It still doesn't change what the word
Christian means.
So much for Christians sticking together.
Since when did Christians stick together ? Before the Bible was even
finished, as a matter of fact recorded within the text, Paul argued with
Peter, even Jesus put down Peter right after complimenting him, then there
was this disagreement between Mark-Barnimous and Paul which had them going
their separate ways.
A flock it is definitely not.
Haven't worked a ranch have you ? Flocks have disputes, envies and strife,
more often than you may think. Part of the job of the shepherd is to keep
such things in check
<snip>
God is God, He doesn't have to explain everything to us.
A good God would.
A good God would do exactly as God does, as He gets to decide what a good
God is, as no one has any authority over Him, including *you*
<snip Andrew playing God>
It really doesn't matter how it "looks" to you, or anyone else, with God
nothing is impossible.
That last bit is an empty statement - filled with blind faith for an
entity from an old book whom you cannot even properly identify.
Someone's done some really bad planning.
It isn't over, until it is over, judging sooner than that, is useless.
Another empty statement.
When are you going to take responsibility for the running of your own
life?
I gave that job to God's Holy Spirit, long ago.
And what am I being saved from?
Knowing you, I would say from yourself.
I only have the religionist community's word for that, and the
religionists don't have a very good track record for real world
credibility. In fact most of the time they can't even agree with each
other.
The 'community' isn't what we need to worry about.
Then I have nothing to worry about, because there's no one else trying to
convince me that I need saving.
You are just deaf.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
--
Andrew W.
The Christian god gives you free choice but then punishes you if you don't
go with his choice. ????
Rewards are part of the choices you make, nothing is without cause and
affect / effect
A fact of nature.
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16 May 2006 10:33:13 PM |
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On Thu, 4 May 2006 20:38:03 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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the doctrine of the scriptures themselves make sense, just as it is,
there was no need to twist the text here.
You're a true Christian.
I don't believe you know what a "true Christian" is.
Tell me what a true Christian is Glenn.
A true Christian is one who takes the Christian mythology seriously,
and one who uses lots of words to say nothing.
Anyone trying to live according to Christ's teachings, and example, rather
vague, but that is what the word *Christian* means
Those
without the spirit of God are not going to be considered human.
Every living person has a so called spirit of God or inner Godforce.
Every living thing has an essence, even a leaf.
Agreed, such is why eventually, somehow, God only needs to know how, He
(God) will cause, even you, to accept Him, to know the truth, and to be
saved.
How can one accept that which no one has ever been able to properly
explain?
Re-read the above, note the words "God only needs to know how". It is God's
*will* that everyone becomes saved, and comes to the full knowledge of the
truth, this includes you.
If it is God's will it is so. God can only be stopped by iron chariots.
And what am I being saved from?
From God of course! Everything is from God.
Knowing you, I would say from yourself.
From the way God made him.
If God does save us wouldn't that amount to God admitting he screwed up?
--
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
As a Christian mythologist you are not a true Christian.
Barry
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19 May 2006 12:03:57 PM |
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"Barry OGrady" <god_free_jones@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 4 May 2006 20:38:03 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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<snip>
How can one accept that which no one has ever been able to properly
explain?
Re-read the above, note the words "God only needs to know how". It is
God's
*will* that everyone becomes saved, and comes to the full knowledge of the
truth, this includes you.
If it is God's will it is so.
Exactly.
God can only be stopped by iron chariots.
Not even that, but He does work in accordance with our faith, the Israelis'
lack of faith worked against them, not God's lack of power, their hearts
melted at the sight of those chariots, so God let their lack of faith defeat
them.
Taking one verse out of context, doesn't work.
And what am I being saved from?
From God of course!
Everything is from God.
Knowing you, I would say from yourself.
From the way God made him.
Barry can't accept responsibility for his own actions so like an imature
child, he has to blame someone else.
If God does save us wouldn't that amount to God admitting he screwed up?
He has admitted screwing up in the past, what is wonderful is that He is
able to do so, and to correct them.
--
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
As a Christian mythologist you are not a true Christian.
The word "Christian" is very vague, it means merely *Christ-like* one who
attempts to live by *Christ's* (and no one else's) teachings, and example...
What exactly that is, is left to our personal understanding of just what
that is.
Your logic makes you not a *true atheist* as you are unique, in your own way
from other atheists.
There is no such thing as a "true" Christian, as there is a wide range of
things which can be classed as Christian, which don't fully agree with other
sects, types, denominations, or whatever.
Barry
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19 May 2006 11:51:10 PM |
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On Fri, 19 May 2006 12:03:57 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
"Barry OGrady" <god_free_jones@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 4 May 2006 20:38:03 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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How can one accept that which no one has ever been able to properly
explain?
Re-read the above, note the words "God only needs to know how". It is
God's
*will* that everyone becomes saved, and comes to the full knowledge of the
truth, this includes you.
If it is God's will it is so.
Exactly.
Then we will all be saved from God and there is nothing for us to do.
God can only be stopped by iron chariots.
Not even that, but He does work in accordance with our faith, the Israelis'
lack of faith worked against them, not God's lack of power, their hearts
melted at the sight of those chariots, so God let their lack of faith defeat
them.
Says in the Bible that God was defeated by iron chariots.
Your God is not all powerful after all. Jesus lied.
Taking one verse out of context, doesn't work.
And what am I being saved from?
From God of course!
Everything is from God.
Knowing you, I would say from yourself.
From the way God made him.
Barry can't accept responsibility for his own actions so like an imature
child, he has to blame someone else.
Christians blame God. I have noone to blame.
If God does save us wouldn't that amount to God admitting he screwed up?
He has admitted screwing up in the past, what is wonderful is that He is
able to do so, and to correct them.
When can we expect to see a world where all creations live a good life and when
can we expect an apology from God?
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
As a Christian mythologist you are not a true Christian.
The word "Christian" is very vague, it means merely *Christ-like* one who
attempts to live by *Christ's* (and no one else's) teachings, and example...
What exactly that is, is left to our personal understanding of just what
that is.
Nobody wants to lower their standards enough to be like Jesus.
Your logic makes you not a *true atheist* as you are unique, in your own way
from other atheists.
There is no such thing as a "true" Christian, as there is a wide range of
things which can be classed as Christian, which don't fully agree with other
sects, types, denominations, or whatever.
And they are all wrong.
Barry
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Barry
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"Barry OGrady" <god_free_jones@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 May 2006 12:03:57 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
"Barry OGrady" <god_free_jones@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 4 May 2006 20:38:03 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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<snip>
How can one accept that which no one has ever been able to properly
explain?
Re-read the above, note the words "God only needs to know how". It is
God's
*will* that everyone becomes saved, and comes to the full knowledge of
the
truth, this includes you.
If it is God's will it is so.
Exactly.
Then we will all be saved from God and there is nothing for us to do.
Wrong, it is God's will that all will be saved AND come to the full
knowledge of the truth... In context, in accordance with our free-will.
We must come to full agreement with God.
God can only be stopped by iron chariots.
Not even that, but He does work in accordance with our faith, the
Israelis'
lack of faith worked against them, not God's lack of power, their hearts
melted at the sight of those chariots, so God let their lack of faith
defeat
them.
Says in the Bible that God was defeated by iron chariots.
No, it doesn't. One verse taken *out of context with the rest of the Bible*
is not the *Bible* entire.
Your God is not all powerful after all.
Nothing is more powerful, including iron chariots, in context with the
Bible's entire message, it was Israel's lack of faith, that let them down,
if you lack faith in God, you lose His help.
Jesus lied.
No, wrong, Jesus didn't lie.
Taking one verse out of context, doesn't work.
And what am I being saved from?
From God of course!
Everything is from God.
Knowing you, I would say from yourself.
From the way God made him.
Barry can't accept responsibility for his own actions so like an imature
child, he has to blame someone else.
Christians blame God.
Baseless statement, but you do that very often, so I am not surprised.
I have no one to blame.
Only yourself.
If God does save us wouldn't that amount to God admitting he screwed up?
He has admitted screwing up in the past, what is wonderful is that He is
able to do so, and to correct them.
When can we...
There you go with the "we" again.
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