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User: "Carl"
Date: 02 Jun 2007 01:19:56 PM
Object: Why does God let random shootings, fatal accidents, and other horrible things occur?
Why does God let random shootings, fatal accidents, and other horrible
things occur?
by R.C. Sproul
http://www.ligonier.org/
Since we believe that God is the author of this planet and is sovereign over
it, it's inevitable that we ask where he is when these terrible things take
place.
I think the Bible answers that over and over again from different angles and
in different ways. We find our first answer, of course, in the book of
Genesis, in which we're told of the fall of humanity. God's immediate
response to the transgression of the human race against his rule and
authority was to curse the earth and human life. Death and suffering entered
the world as a direct result of sin. We see the concrete manifestation of
this in the realm of nature, where thorns become part of the garden and
human life is now characterized by the sweat of the brow and the pain that
attends even the birth of a baby. This illustrates the fact that the world
in which we live is a place that is full of sorrows and tragedy.
But we must never conclude that there's a one-to-one correlation in this
life between suffering and the guilt of the people on whom tragedies fall.
If there were no sin in the world, there would be no suffering. There would
be no fatal accidents, no random shootings. Because sin is present in the
world, suffering is present in the world, but it doesn't always work out
that if you have five pounds of guilt, you're going to get five pounds of
suffering. That's the perception that the book of Job labors to dispel, as
does Jesus' answer to the question about the man born blind ( John 9:1-11).
On the other hand, the Bible makes it clear that God lets these things
happen and in a certain sense ordains that they come to pass as part of the
present situation that is under judgment. He has not removed death from this
world. Whether it's what we would consider an untimely death or a violent
death, death is part of the nature of things. The only promise is that there
will come a day when suffering will cease altogether.
The disciples asked Jesus about similar instances-for example, the Galileans'
blood that was mingled with the sacrifices by Pilate or the eighteen people
who were killed when a temple collapsed. The disciples asked how this could
be. Jesus' response was almost severe. He said, "Unless you repent, you will
all likewise perish," again bringing the question back to the fact that
moral wickedness makes it feasible for God to allow these kinds of dreadful
things to take place in a fallen world.
©1996 by R.C. Sproul. Used by permission of Tyndale.
Scripture taken from the New King James Version®. ©1982 by Thomas Nelson,
Inc.
Used by permission. All rights reserved.
.

User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

Title: Re: Why does God let random shootings, fatal accidents, and other horrible things occur? 02 Jun 2007 02:51:42 PM
"Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote in message
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Why does God let random shootings, fatal accidents, and other horrible
things occur?
by R.C. Sproul
http://www.ligonier.org/

Since we believe that God is the author of this planet and is sovereign
over it, it's inevitable that we ask where he is when these terrible
things take place.

he's sitting on his FAT, LAZY *****, laughing his sick, sadistic ***** off while
children are being raped and murdered
.
User: "Carl"

Title: Re: Why does God let random shootings, fatal accidents, and other horrible things occur? 02 Jun 2007 03:29:43 PM
"SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <killgod@killgod.com> wrote in message
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"Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote in message
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Why does God let random shootings, fatal accidents, and other horrible
things occur?
by R.C. Sproul
http://www.ligonier.org/

Since we believe that God is the author of this planet and is sovereign
over it, it's inevitable that we ask where he is when these terrible
things take place.


he's sitting on his FAT, LAZY *****, laughing his sick, sadistic ***** off
while children are being raped and murdered

You only wish to troll. It's become clear that you are not interested in
learning about God. You are only interested in attempting to provoke. Sorry,
you lose with that nonsense. When you decide to act in a mature manner, then
perhaps you will be worthy of my valuable time.
Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that,
have nothing to do with him. 11 You may be sure that such a man is warped
and sinful; he is self-condemned. (Titus 3:10, 11)
May God bless,
Carl
website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
.
User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

Title: Re: Why does God let random shootings, fatal accidents, and other horrible things occur? 02 Jun 2007 04:46:17 PM

. It's become clear that you are not interested in learning about God. You
are only interested in attempting to provoke.

hey christian nutcase, don't you have anything ORIGINAL to say?
you are the one that isn't intereted in learning about your god.
you nuts keep pushing this "god is good" *****, however when it is shown
that your god is a COLD-HEARTED ***** then all of sudden you claim no one
is interested in learning about your god.
your god is a sick, sadistic jackass and just loves to MURDER children.
where was your ***** god when little jessica lunsford was being murdered?
was he sittng on his FAT, LAZY ***** as usual?
what could have possibly been more important than saving the life of a child
to your ALL-POWERFUL JACKASS christian god?
waiting for usual ***** reply from christian nutcases.
.
User: "Bible Bob"

Title: Re: Why does God let random shootings, fatal accidents, and other horrible things occur? 02 Jun 2007 05:46:30 PM
On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 21:46:17 GMT, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"
<killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

. It's become clear that you are not interested in learning about God. You
are only interested in attempting to provoke.


hey christian nutcase, don't you have anything ORIGINAL to say?
you are the one that isn't intereted in learning about your god.

you nuts keep pushing this "god is good" *****, however when it is shown
that your god is a COLD-HEARTED ***** then all of sudden you claim no one
is interested in learning about your god.

your god is a sick, sadistic jackass and just loves to MURDER children.

where was your ***** god when little jessica lunsford was being murdered?
was he sittng on his FAT, LAZY ***** as usual?

what could have possibly been more important than saving the life of a child
to your ALL-POWERFUL JACKASS christian god?

waiting for usual ***** reply from christian nutcases.

SheBlew,
What historical physical evidence do you have to support your
allegation that the invisible God killed a child? Who saw it happen?
Could it be that men and women killed while pretending to be following
his orders?
.
User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

Title: Re: Why does God let random shootings, fatal accidents, and other horrible things occur? 02 Jun 2007 05:50:36 PM


What historical physical evidence do you have to support your
allegation that the invisible God killed a child? Who saw it happen?
Could it be that men and women killed while pretending to be following
his orders?

are you admitting that there is no christian god and that the bible is a
COMPLETE AND TOTAL CROCK OF CRAP?
.
User: "Bible Bob"

Title: Re: Why does God let random shootings, fatal accidents, and other horrible things occur? 02 Jun 2007 06:37:17 PM
On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 22:50:36 GMT, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"
<killgod@killgod.com> wrote:


What historical physical evidence do you have to support your
allegation that the invisible God killed a child? Who saw it happen?
Could it be that men and women killed while pretending to be following
his orders?


are you admitting that there is no christian god and that the bible is a
COMPLETE AND TOTAL CROCK OF CRAP?

SheBlew,
Nope. But being the logical person that I am, I am interested in
facts proven by science. If there has been one person that documented
the "sight" of God killing someone; then God could not be God. So it
is in my best interess to find out whether you have physical evidence
to support your claims.
.
User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

Title: Re: Why does God let random shootings, fatal accidents, and other horrible things occur? 02 Jun 2007 09:54:44 PM

Nope. But being the logical person that I am, I am interested in
facts proven by science. If there has been one person that documented
the "sight" of God killing someone; then God could not be God. So it
is in my best interess to find out whether you have physical evidence
to support your claims.

if the christian god is ALL-POWERFUL as you christan nuts claim, then he
could get off of his FAT, LAZY ***** and prevent children from being raped and
murdered
.
User: "Bible Bob"

Title: Re: Why does God let random shootings, fatal accidents, and other horrible things occur? 02 Jun 2007 11:45:10 PM
On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 02:54:44 GMT, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"
<killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

Nope. But being the logical person that I am, I am interested in
facts proven by science. If there has been one person that documented
the "sight" of God killing someone; then God could not be God. So it
is in my best interess to find out whether you have physical evidence
to support your claims.


if the christian god is ALL-POWERFUL as you christan nuts claim, then he
could get off of his FAT, LAZY ***** and prevent children from being raped and
murdered

SheBlew,
You are still trimming headers.
You didn't provide the proof I asked for. Why are you being mean? If
you actually saw the invisible God kill someone; then maybe you have a
picture of the event that you could share.
The real God can't do anything about what eveil people do to children,
yet. It is man's day to judge now. God cannot override your free
will. If you refuse to get off your lazy tail and save children; then
the odds of them being saved are reduced by one. You are responsible
for all the bad that happens to children because you won't get off
your horse or ***** or chair to help them.
If I weren't a Christian trying to do right and I were you and didn't
want to become a Christian, I'd get a gun and kill myself so that
there would be one less lazy person in the way of helping children.
If you did that you could sign your posts SheBlewHerHeadOff or
HeBlewHisHeadOff.
Let's face it, you are using the abuse of children to promote your own
political religious views. In my book you are worthy of death even if
you are a Christian pretending to be an atheist. But my God is
merciful and will help you become a decent person when you are ready;
unless Satan kills you first.
.
User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

Title: Re: Why does God let random shootings, fatal accidents, and other horrible things occur? 03 Jun 2007 08:23:44 AM


You didn't provide the proof I asked for. Why are you being mean? If
you actually saw the invisible God kill someone; then maybe you have a
picture of the event that you could share.

dear cristian nutcase, just look at video of the tsunami, that's proof that
your ALL-POWERFUL jackass christian god MURDERED 200,000+ people.
or, are you saying that there is no god?
.
User: "Rod"

Title: Re: Why does God let random shootings, fatal accidents, and other horrible things occur? 04 Jun 2007 11:39:40 PM
"SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <killgod@killgod.com> wrote in message
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You didn't provide the proof I asked for. Why are you being mean? If
you actually saw the invisible God kill someone; then maybe you have a
picture of the event that you could share.


dear cristian nutcase, just look at video of the tsunami, that's proof
that your ALL-POWERFUL jackass christian god MURDERED 200,000+ people.

or, are you saying that there is no god?


Believe this, if it's an act of God, there won't be any way of confusing
it with
anything else.........God doesn't have to destroy us. We are doing that
without
His aid......
Rod
.

User: "Rod"

Title: Re: Why does God let random shootings, fatal accidents, and other horrible things occur? 04 Jun 2007 11:37:56 PM
"SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <killgod@killgod.com> wrote in message
news:Ahz8i.13029$296.1972@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...


You didn't provide the proof I asked for. Why are you being mean? If
you actually saw the invisible God kill someone; then maybe you have a
picture of the event that you could share.


dear cristian nutcase, just look at video of the tsunami, that's proof
that your ALL-POWERFUL jackass christian god MURDERED 200,000+ people.

Thats odd, is other circles they call it "weather" !
Rod
.
User: "-=86=-"

Title: Re: Why does God let random shootings, fatal accidents, and other horrible things occur? 06 Jun 2007 03:03:41 AM
On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 04:37:56 GMT, "Rod" <kc0oeb@att.net> wrote:


"SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <killgod@killgod.com> wrote in message
news:Ahz8i.13029$296.1972@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...


You didn't provide the proof I asked for. Why are you being mean? If
you actually saw the invisible God kill someone; then maybe you have a
picture of the event that you could share.


dear cristian nutcase, just look at video of the tsunami, that's proof
that your ALL-POWERFUL jackass christian god MURDERED 200,000+ people.


Thats odd, is other circles they call it "weather" !

Rod

Thats easy FREE WILL!
.









User: "Bible Bob"

Title: Re: Why does God let random shootings, fatal accidents, and other horrible things occur? 02 Jun 2007 05:34:43 PM
On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 16:29:43 -0400, "Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote:


"SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <killgod@killgod.com> wrote in message
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"Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote in message
news:f3sccd$763$1@news.utelfla.com...

Why does God let random shootings, fatal accidents, and other horrible
things occur?
by R.C. Sproul
http://www.ligonier.org/

Since we believe that God is the author of this planet and is sovereign
over it, it's inevitable that we ask where he is when these terrible
things take place.


he's sitting on his FAT, LAZY *****, laughing his sick, sadistic ***** off
while children are being raped and murdered


You only wish to troll. It's become clear that you are not interested in
learning about God. You are only interested in attempting to provoke. Sorry,
you lose with that nonsense. When you decide to act in a mature manner, then
perhaps you will be worthy of my valuable time.

Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that,
have nothing to do with him. 11 You may be sure that such a man is warped
and sinful; he is self-condemned. (Titus 3:10, 11)

May God bless,
Carl
website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/

You are cut and pasting responses just like Steve. I see you using
the same response over and over. All you are doing is showing
contempt for the person and that will not win him to Christ.
.



User: ""

Title: Re: Why does God let random shootings, fatal accidents, and other horrible things occur? 02 Jun 2007 02:49:13 PM
On Jun 2, 11:19=EF=BF=BDam, "Carl" <sai...@nettally.com> wrote:

Why does God let random shootings, fatal accidents, and other horrible
things occur?
by R.C. Sproulhttp://www.ligonier.org/

Since we believe that God is the author of this planet and is sovereign o=

ver

it, it's inevitable that we ask where he is when these terrible things ta=

ke

place.

I think the Bible answers that over and over again from different angles =

and

in different ways. We find our first answer, of course, in the book of
Genesis, in which we're told of the fall of humanity. God's immediate
response to the transgression of the human race against his rule and
authority was to curse the earth and human life. Death and suffering ente=

red

the world as a direct result of sin. We see the concrete manifestation of
this in the realm of nature, where thorns become part of the garden and
human life is now characterized by the sweat of the brow and the pain that
attends even the birth of a baby. This illustrates the fact that the world
in which we live is a place that is full of sorrows and tragedy.

But we must never conclude that there's a one-to-one correlation in this
life between suffering and the guilt of the people on whom tragedies fall.
If there were no sin in the world, there would be no suffering. There wou=

ld

be no fatal accidents, no random shootings. Because sin is present in the
world, suffering is present in the world, but it doesn't always work out
that if you have five pounds of guilt, you're going to get five pounds of
suffering. That's the perception that the book of Job labors to dispel, as
does Jesus' answer to the question about the man born blind ( John 9:1-11=

)=2E


On the other hand, the Bible makes it clear that God lets these things
happen and in a certain sense ordains that they come to pass as part of t=

he

present situation that is under judgment. He has not removed death from t=

his

world. Whether it's what we would consider an untimely death or a violent
death, death is part of the nature of things. The only promise is that th=

ere

will come a day when suffering will cease altogether.

The disciples asked Jesus about similar instances-for example, the Galile=

ans'

blood that was mingled with the sacrifices by Pilate or the eighteen peop=

le

who were killed when a temple collapsed. The disciples asked how this cou=

ld

be. Jesus' response was almost severe. He said, "Unless you repent, you w=

ill

all likewise perish," again bringing the question back to the fact that
moral wickedness makes it feasible for God to allow these kinds of dreadf=

ul

things to take place in a fallen world.

=A91996 by R.C. Sproul. Used by permission of Tyndale.
Scripture taken from the New King James Version=AE. =A91982 by Thomas Nel=

son,

Inc.
Used by permission. All rights reserved.

When I was a "christian" and I dared ask such questions I was told to
shut the hell up or get out. It was a very effective "teaching"
method. I learned to shut the hell up and sit down. Praise Jesus.
.


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