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"Pastor Winter JNAHC" |
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27 Nov 2004 09:37:34 PM |
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Why I reject the fakes |
Some wonder why I reject fakes
Why would these individuals who were putting forth effort to
please God, incur instead His wrath? What is the principle being
taught here?
The reason that Nadab and Abihu were killed is because they
offered "strange fire", rather than the "pure" fire from the
brazen altar.
Lev 10:1 And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of
them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon,
and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them
not.
Lev 10:2 And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured
them, and they died before the LORD.
Lev 10:3 Then Moses said unto Aaron, This is it that the LORD
spake, saying, I will be sanctified in them that come nigh me,
and before all the people I will be glorified. And Aaron held his
peace.
Lev 10:4 And Moses called Mishael and Elzaphan, the sons of
Uzziel the uncle of Aaron, and said unto them, Come near, carry
your brethren from before the sanctuary out of the camp.
Lev 10:5 So they went near, and carried them in their coats out
of the camp; as Moses had said.
Looking back we see that the Lord had just done a great thing:
Lev 9:23 And Moses and Aaron went into the tabernacle of the
congregation, and came out, and blessed the people: and the glory
of the LORD appeared unto all the people.
Lev 9:24 And there came a fire out from before the LORD, and
consumed upon the altar the burnt offering and the fat: which
when all the people saw, they shouted, and fell on their faces.
There had just been a great manifestation of God, but Nadab and
Abihu, instead of obeying God, decided to do things their way,
and for their efforts incurred the wrath of Jesus.
But what exactly was their error? The Bible teaches that the
content of the incense that would be offered to God had to be
just so:
Exo 30:9 Ye shall offer no strange incense thereon, nor burnt
sacrifice, nor meat offering; neither shall ye pour drink
offering thereon.
Apparently the incense that Nadab and Abihu used was OK. They
did not offer "strange incense". The censers that they used were
not the problem. Let us look at why they were destroyed.
Lev 10:1 And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of
them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon,
and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them
not.
The problem was "strange fire". They were supposed to get the
fire for their censers from the brazen altar. The brazen altar
was the altar where sacrifices or "sin offerings" were made. It
is regarded as a "type and shadow" of the first step in the plan
of salvation which is repentance. They offered up worship
WITHOUT repentance!
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized
every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of
sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Notice that Acts 2:38 is for all that God will call.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and
to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall
call.
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and
not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices
which they offered year by year continually make the comers
thereunto perfect.
Just as Nadab and Abihu tried to worship God their own way and
BYPASS the brazen altar and offer "strange fire"; the modern day
charismatics bypass repentance and Jesus Name baptism trying to
worship God their own way while still being "of the world".
By living worldly and refusing to repent they offer "strange
fire" unto the Lord. That is why real Acts 2:38 Christians do
not accept the charismatic cults as brethren even if they do obey
part of the plan of salvation.
"Almost christian" cults will not even "almost" go to heaven.
They offer "strange fire", they don't want the original Apostolic
way, though they like the spectacular as did Nadab and Abihu.
Don't be deceived in a charismatic cult. Find a real Apostolic,
Pentecostal Church that doesn't offer a sin leavened "strange
fire" unto the Lord.
1 Cor 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little
leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
Be faithful!
Pastor Steve Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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| User: "roy b none" |
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| Title: Re: Why I reject the fakes |
04 Dec 2004 05:07:10 PM |
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"Pastor Winter JNAHC" <steveNONO-SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message
news:1102043530.iW8DaUYlatH+lT3CeqrRMA@teranews...
Quartus <quartus_a_brother@yahoo.com> spake thusly and wrote:
You're a one-note charlie, regurgitating the same drivel over and over
again. Why not answer the questions people are asking you?
First of all, accursed, Satanic, gutless anon false-christian
scum like "Quartus" deserve no respect or consideration.
This is very hypocritical of you Mr Winter. Christ preached love your
enemies, here you are cursing a fellow human being. Do not you know Jesus
also said any man who even thinks bad thoughts about a fellow human being
has already committed murder in his heart ?
Besides, how dare you say a fellow human being deserves no respect or
consideration ? Who died and made you God ? You are no better than any
fellow human being, just as no fellow human being is better than you.
Psychopaths, murderers, rapists, thieves, liars, hypocrits, think fellow
human beings deserve no respect or consideration.
Also, I am simply obeying the Bible.
Proverbs 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest
thou also be like unto him.
Again, who died and made you God ? To any rational person, you are the
deluded fool here, sir.
Pastor Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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| User: "Steve Winter" |
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05 Dec 2004 02:20:12 PM |
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"roy b" <none> spake thusly and wrote:
First of all, accursed, Satanic, gutless anon false-christian
scum like "Quartus" deserve no respect or consideration.
This is very hypocritical of you Mr Winter. Christ preached love your
enemies, here you are cursing a fellow human being.
I even love my enemies enough to come against deceiving Satanic
false-christian scum that would deceive my enemies into hell.
I would hope that no competent person would take offence at my
intolerance of false preachers that infest the world with the
purpose of deceiving souls into a comfortable disobedience of the
Bible.
I pray that no one here is going to be so naive as to believe
that a false preacher is going to admit that he/she/it is a false
preacher. They are, of course, going to say "Oh yes our church
obeys the Bible".
One of my goals is to study what the Bible really teaches and
thereby expose the religious filth like the "Jim & Tammys" and
the "Jimmy Swaggarts".
Now, I am not so naive to think that Satan is going to allow the
truth to be studied without sending some of his ministers and
deceivers and even reprobates pretending to be "Oneness" while
promoting rebellion, heresy and error.
The Bible does NOT teach that we should be tolerant of false
christian deceivers that are the vilest of parasites, filth that
actually snare souls that are trying to find God, and deceive
them with lies.
Folks, please understand, this is not a game. Nice sweet people
are being deceived into a very very real hell by religious filth
and deceivers. What viler thing could there be upon the earth
than a sweet talking false preacher? Here we have ALL these
people that *think* that they have obeyed the Bible and are
headed for heaven, YET, the basic Acts 2:38 message sounds
strange and foreign to them because some deceiving filth has
preached them full of sugar coated lies, AND has probably already
preached some of their older relatives into hell.
Of COURSE these men oppose the truth! If their congregations
find out what true Christianity is, then they will realize that
their preacher has already deceived some of their relatives into
hell. THINK ABOUT IT! They can't admit even what they know
because then they would have to admit that everyone
who had died in their church was in hell. THEY HAVE TO FIGHT
THIS TRUTH!
It is the job of a TRUE preacher to convince you TO OBEY the Word
of God, it is the job of Satan and his servants to explain to
you why you really don't need to obey the Word of God and it is
the job of the reprobate to muddy the waters between the two.
Look what Paul says about false christian filth :
II Corinthians 11:12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may
cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein
they glory, they may be found even as we.
II Corinthians 11:13 For such [are] false apostles, deceitful
workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
II Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is
transformed into an angel of light.
II Corinthians 11:15 Therefore [it is] no great thing if his
ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness;
whose end shall be according to their works.
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any
other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you,
let him be accursed.
II Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us,
when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty
angels,
II Thessalonians 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them
that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus
Christ:
II Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting
destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of
his power;
It is such a simple matter. Some here are trying to convince you
to obey the Bible and others here are trying to convince you why
you don't need to obey the Bible.
Pastor Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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| User: "roy b none" |
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04 Dec 2004 05:07:10 PM |
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"Pastor Winter JNAHC" <steveNONO-SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message
news:1102043530.iW8DaUYlatH+lT3CeqrRMA@teranews...
Quartus <quartus_a_brother@yahoo.com> spake thusly and wrote:
You're a one-note charlie, regurgitating the same drivel over and over
again. Why not answer the questions people are asking you?
First of all, accursed, Satanic, gutless anon false-christian
scum like "Quartus" deserve no respect or consideration.
This is very hypocritical of you Mr Winter. Christ preached love your
enemies, here you are cursing a fellow human being. Do not you know Jesus
also said any man who even thinks bad thoughts about a fellow human being
has already committed murder in his heart ?
Besides, how dare you say a fellow human being deserves no respect or
consideration ? Who died and made you God ? You are no better than any
fellow human being, just as no fellow human being is better than you.
Psychopaths, murderers, rapists, thieves, liars, hypocrits, think fellow
human beings deserve no respect or consideration.
Also, I am simply obeying the Bible.
Proverbs 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest
thou also be like unto him.
Again, who died and made you God ? To any rational person, you are the
deluded fool here, sir.
Pastor Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
Roy Banicevic
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| User: "Midjis" |
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03 Dec 2004 05:58:40 AM |
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Pastor Winter JNAHC wrote:
First of all, accursed, Satanic, gutless anon false-christian
scum like "Quartus" deserve no respect or consideration.
Also, I am simply obeying the Bible.
Proverbs 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest
thou also be like unto him.
How very convenient for you, "Pastor". A nice get-out clause, if ever I
have seen one.
This adds considerable irony to your insistence in referring to others as
'gutless', Steve.
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Midjis
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| User: "Steve Winter" |
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03 Dec 2004 12:04:39 PM |
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Midjis < @ . > spake thusly and wrote:
This adds considerable irony to your insistence in referring to others as
'gutless', Steve.
Funny to see some gutless anon Satanic net trash posting that.
May the Lord reward you according to your works (and He knows
right where you live).
Pastor Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
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| User: "Midjis" |
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04 Dec 2004 09:46:44 AM |
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Steve Winter wrote:
Funny to see some gutless anon Satanic net trash posting that.
Straight over your head, then. I suppose I should not be too surprised.
May the Lord reward you according to your works (and He knows
right where you live).
Oh, I am sure He does. And when He comes knocking on my door and explains
Himself to me, then I may give some consideration to believing in Him.
But not before then.
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Midjis
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| User: "Midjis" |
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30 Nov 2004 05:57:50 AM |
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Steve Winter wrote:
I believe that some of you folks have some serious misconceptions
about the Lord of the Bible, who was the perfect example for the
Christian..
He was indeed, at least for Christians, the perfect example of how to
live. And, though we have seen this cut-and-paste lecture of self-
justification before, it still makes for an interesting read.
I Peter 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ
also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should
follow his steps:
I Peter 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his
mouth:
I Peter 2:23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he
suffered, he threatened not; but committed [himself] to him that
judgeth righteously:
Now, understand that this is Biblical scripture just as much as is Acts
2:38 - that passage upon which you base much of your self-justfication,
and which we will look at in a moment.
"When he was reviled, [he] reviled not again". "He threatened not".
"[He] did no sin; neither was guile found in his mouth".
These are important phrases. You happily quote a segment of your holy
text that explicitly condemns the way you choose to act.
So it is evident that the motivations for your behaviour do not come
from the Bible, but outside it, since you feel you need to find a
loophole - a way to get around these guidelines and justify the way YOU
wish to act. And how might you do that?
But let us also look at a particular situation that shows us the
Lord exhibiting unusual behaviour; and that is, when he
encountered false preachers, false religionists, deceivers and
reprobates even like we find in this thread.
Matthew 23:33 [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can
ye escape the damnation of hell?
Matthew 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear
beautiful outward, but are within full of dead [men's] bones, and
of all uncleanness.
Looking carefully at verse 27. In our modern language "full of
dead men's bones and all uncleanliness" would roughly translate
as the modern term "scum". That tells me that if the Lord was
walking our streets today and encountered a denominal trinitarian
preacher, that He would call him/her/it "scum", "snake",
"hypocrite".
The difference here is that Christ's words were driven by a desire to
change people's behaviour for the better - to save them from damnation.
Your words, however, are invariably driven by hate. You say that what
you perceive as an angry outburst by Christ is 'unusual behaviour', and
it might be said to be so, even if we accept the highly dubious
implication that what he was saying here is essentially the same message
that you are trying to put across. It is obvious that these messages
are not the same - we can see that simply by looking at the verses above
that you quoted from I Peter 2. Because you DO revile - whenever you
get the chance. You leap to make angry responses to any post you take
exception to. You operate through abuse and anger - so it is quite
clear that you are unable to meet the standards you presume to try to
impose on the rest of us.
Additionally, it is worth bearing in mind that what might be said to be
'unusual behaviour' for Jesus (even assuming his behaviour here is
comparable with yours, which is debatable) is EVERYDAY behaviour for
you. You happily reject the vast majority of the Bible that shows
Christ preaching (AND practising) love and humility, because this one
passage shows Christ's attitude slightly more akin to the way YOU WANT
TO PREACH. Even then, the differences between his approach - even in
the 'whited sepulchre' speech - and yours in your every post are
glaringly obvious.
"Love incarnate" didn't coddle false preachers. The Apostle Paul
instructs us should we encounter anyone preaching other than the
original Acts 2:38 message:
And here we see your oft-demonstrated insistence on focusing everything
you say on a single Bible verse. But in fact that does not really have
any bearing on what you preach, does it? The majority of the people you
attack consider themselves Christian. It is not unreasonable to assume
that many of them HAVE, in fact, undergone baptism - and yet you hate
them still, and call them "false-christian scum". So in fact, while you
focus all your attention on Acts 2:38, the truth is it does not really
make much difference to you whether someone is baptised or not. You
will churn out the same malign invective towards everyone, whether they
be baptised Christians, or those like me, who are not Christian and have
never been baptised. We are all still "false-christian scum", all
"reprobates", all "hypocrites" - regardless of what we tell you we are.
Thus, you demonstrate that you have no real interest in Acts 2:38 - it
is simply a weak justification for you to indulge your universal hatred.
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any
other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you,
let him be accursed.
(Check out Acts 19, if you have any doubts that Paul adhered to
the Acts 2:38 re-birth of WATER and SPIRIT.)
Would Jesus Christ call you and/or your preacher "scum" ? If
he's not preaching the Acts 2:38 Apostolic message, He sure
would!
I hope this helps.
It certainly helps those who would argue that you are not fit to preach
the word of your god. It scarcely helps you.
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Midjis
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| User: "Raymond" |
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28 Nov 2004 03:45:57 AM |
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Pastor Winter JNAHC <steveNONO-SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message news:<1101612920.uPQbGaGhJsunG2Pdo+1jsA@teranews>...
Some wonder why I reject fakes
Fake what? You are the fake Christian as proven by your ungodly
unclean words you use in most of your post. So you are rejecting
yourself in public? That would be impossible for you, and then God
can do what no man can do and save your soul, as long as you're still
able to repent of your sins and have your sins forgiven. This post
did not use such terms, and was nice to read, your point well taken,
but till you learn to post like a Christian, it will be rejected by
most readers as not correct. Like the girl that followed Paul and
told everyone he was the servant of the Lord, no one believed Paul.
Since she was a professional liar and was lead by demons, so no matter
how true her words were, her daily actions, made people dismiss her,
till Paul cast that demon out of her and then he was in trouble by
them that made their money from her evil ways. I do hope you can
repent of your past and get forgiven, and lean that you sins are still
with you till you lean to forgive others, as Jesus taught.
In the Love of Jesus,
Raymond Knapp
Why would these individuals who were putting forth effort to
please God, incur instead His wrath? What is the principle being
taught here?
Good question, when will you do that? The principle is not being
taught by you, as you nulify anything you say, by your evil and
ungodly toilet language.
The reason that Nadab and Abihu were killed is because they
offered "strange fire", rather than the "pure" fire from the
brazen altar.
Lev 10:1 And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of
them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon,
and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them
not.
Lev 10:2 And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured
them, and they died before the LORD.
Lev 10:3 Then Moses said unto Aaron, This is it that the LORD
spake, saying, I will be sanctified in them that come nigh me,
and before all the people I will be glorified. And Aaron held his
peace.
Lev 10:4 And Moses called Mishael and Elzaphan, the sons of
Uzziel the uncle of Aaron, and said unto them, Come near, carry
your brethren from before the sanctuary out of the camp.
Lev 10:5 So they went near, and carried them in their coats out
of the camp; as Moses had said.
Looking back we see that the Lord had just done a great thing:
Lev 9:23 And Moses and Aaron went into the tabernacle of the
congregation, and came out, and blessed the people: and the glory
of the LORD appeared unto all the people.
Lev 9:24 And there came a fire out from before the LORD, and
consumed upon the altar the burnt offering and the fat: which
when all the people saw, they shouted, and fell on their faces.
There had just been a great manifestation of God, but Nadab and
Abihu, instead of obeying God, decided to do things their way,
and for their efforts incurred the wrath of Jesus.
But what exactly was their error? The Bible teaches that the
content of the incense that would be offered to God had to be
just so:
Exo 30:9 Ye shall offer no strange incense thereon, nor burnt
sacrifice, nor meat offering; neither shall ye pour drink
offering thereon.
Apparently the incense that Nadab and Abihu used was OK. They
did not offer "strange incense". The censers that they used were
not the problem. Let us look at why they were destroyed.
Lev 10:1 And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of
them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon,
and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them
not.
The problem was "strange fire". They were supposed to get the
fire for their censers from the brazen altar. The brazen altar
was the altar where sacrifices or "sin offerings" were made. It
is regarded as a "type and shadow" of the first step in the plan
of salvation which is repentance. They offered up worship
WITHOUT repentance!
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized
every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of
sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Notice that Acts 2:38 is for all that God will call.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and
to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall
call.
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and
not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices
which they offered year by year continually make the comers
thereunto perfect.
Just as Nadab and Abihu tried to worship God their own way and
BYPASS the brazen altar and offer "strange fire"; the modern day
charismatics bypass repentance and Jesus Name baptism trying to
worship God their own way while still being "of the world".
By living worldly and refusing to repent they offer "strange
fire" unto the Lord. That is why real Acts 2:38 Christians do
not accept the charismatic cults as brethren even if they do obey
part of the plan of salvation.
"Almost christian" cults will not even "almost" go to heaven.
They offer "strange fire", they don't want the original Apostolic
way, though they like the spectacular as did Nadab and Abihu.
Don't be deceived in a charismatic cult. Find a real Apostolic,
Pentecostal Church that doesn't offer a sin leavened "strange
fire" unto the Lord.
1 Cor 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little
leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
Be faithful!
Pastor Steve Winter
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28 Nov 2004 10:14:45 PM |
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(Raymond) spake thusly and wrote:
Fake what? You are the fake Christian as proven by your ungodly
unclean words you use in most of your post. So you are rejecting
yourself in public?
Could Knapp's problem be jealousy? Of course he is upset that
not only did I call him a spiritual *****, I proved it by
scripture.
It was God who chose such terms to describe filth like Raymond
Knapp.
"Infidels" what does that mean?
Consider the term infidelity? See the association? Consider
also the related concepts of "chaste" vs. "unchaste". This is
also related to "holy" and "unholy".
Can someone who is spiritually unchaste be holy at the same time?
Can an unholy, unchaste person be saved? (I speak of the
unrepentant here).
We see so called "preachers" like Knapp lying and we see so
called "christians" supporting such sin.
Isaiah 35:8 And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it
shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass
over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though
fools, shall not err therein.
Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power,
according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the
dead:
Romans 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the
infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members
servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so
now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
Romans 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become
servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end
everlasting life.
2 Corinthians 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly
beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the
flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
Ephesians 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God
is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Holiness is not some optional issue! Salvation depends on it.
The Bible teaches that merely "bearing with" a teacher of false
doctrine makes one "unchaste". Note carefully how Paul is
concerned for their chastity.
The devil Knapp even promotes false-christian websites on his
website. He really is a spiritual *****. He has fellowship with
devils. Just look at the level of scum out here who will join
with him in attacking me.
Keep in mind the relationship of chastity, fidelity and holiness.
If that is not enough to convince you notice that Paul is talking
about Christians being corrupted!
2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly
jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may
present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have
not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not
received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might
well bear with him.
Now see that the great thing that Paul is so fearful of here is
also sin of omission as well. What does it mean to "bear with"
someone? Does it not mean to tolerate? Let's look at
Strongs. It does not mean that we believe Strong was a
Christian to accept that he was an adequate linguist.
430 anechomai {an-ekh’-om-ahee}
middle voice from 303 and 2192; TDNT - 1:359,*; v
AV - suffer 7, bear with 4, forbear 2, endure 2; 15
1) to hold up
2) to hold one’s self erect and firm
3) to sustain, to bear, to endure
Consider Paul's fear for the Church that they would become
unchaste and corrupt just for "bearing with" a deceiver like a
trinitarian.
There is a generation of so called "Oneness Christians" who are
devoid of even the concept that there exists such a thing a
spiritual chastity, but that is were we get "infidel" from!
This generation is a manifestation of the fruits of a generation
measuring themselves by themselves and their traditions.
2 Corinthians 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the
number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves:
but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing
themselves among themselves, are not wise.
Paul gives the Church commandments as well regarding what to do
regarding those who bring false religion to you.
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any
other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you,
let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man
preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let
him be accursed.
Let me mention that the phrase "let him be accursed" appears only
twice in the Bible. Also note that Paul's commandment is the
only commandment that the Bible repeats twice. Some teach that
it is not a commandment but these also,
in my experience also believe in women preachers, double married
preachers and that it is OK for a Saint to attend trinitarian
worship services among other things.
It is a sin to merely "bear with" a trinitarian preacher. Now,
it is important to realize that every trinitarian is not a
preacher, but if a trinitarian is promoting
false doctrines, then they are a "preacher". The same
individual that I might invite into my home for a visit if they
just dropped by, I would probably curse on my doorstep if they
came bringing false-christian tracts on behalf of their cult.
The way some of those Mormon boys look at me wide eyed you would
think I was the first one to ever curse them in the Name of the
Lord Jesus Christ!
Colossians 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in
the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father
by him.
And, if you do not have the scriptural foundation to curse them
in the Name of the Lord Jesus, then you better not do it.
Remember, just to bear with someone teaching a false religion is
spiritual whoredom. That's right! What do you thing that
"unchaste" means?
There is a wedding supper coming up. There is also Great *****,
the mother of all trinity denominations! God chose that
terminology, not me!
Revelation 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had
the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither;
I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great ***** that
sitteth upon many waters:
Revelation 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written,
MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND
ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
That's right the trinity really is a "mystery" as most
trinitarians will admit because they themselves can't begin to
understand the confusion. It is MYSTERY BABYLON! God is not the
author of confusion!
How about you just go crawl back into the sewer reprobate Knapp!
You aren't fooling but a handful of scum out here anyway.
Pastor Winter
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http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
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| User: "Midjis" |
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29 Nov 2004 07:34:56 AM |
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Steve Winter wrote:
Could Knapp's problem be jealousy? Of course he is upset that
not only did I call him a spiritual *****, I proved it by
scripture.
You cannot 'prove' anything by scripture, since the veracity of the scripture
is questionable - not to mention the validity of your personal interpretation
of it. With the best will in the world, it can scarcely be said that you wield
scripture with the spirit of Jesus' teachings in mind. It is self-evident that
your attitudes and those of Jesus differ wildly.
It is therefore doubtful as to whether anyone, but particularly you, can
possibly 'prove' anything by scripture.
It was God who chose such terms to describe filth like Raymond
Knapp.
Whether or not such expressions appear in the Bible is one thing. Who God
intended them to apply to is known only to God. You presume to judge on behalf
of the Almighty. What gives you this right, do you think?
"Infidels" what does that mean?
"Infidel" means one who is not faithful.
Consider the term infidelity? See the association?
Obviously. Both words stem from the same Latin root.
Can someone who is spiritually unchaste be holy at the same time?
You would appear to claim as much.
Holiness is not some optional issue! Salvation depends on it.
Then I would recommend you reflect carefully on your behaviour and your
attitudes.
The devil Knapp even promotes false-christian websites on his
website.
Whereas you promote hatred and vengefulness on yours, and you call it
'Christian'.
Consider Paul's fear for the Church that they would become
unchaste and corrupt just for "bearing with" a deceiver like a
trinitarian.
I would imagine Paul's fear for the Church was far more concerned with whether
or not they would adopt the doctrines he invented. But that, of course, is
another argument.
The way some of those Mormon boys look at me wide eyed you would
think I was the first one to ever curse them in the Name of the
Lord Jesus Christ!
I doubt it. But it may, of course, be more to do with the way in which you do
it. For you, Christianity is all about cursing, damnation, hatred and
vindictiveness. For you, Christianity is about superiority and self-
righteousness. It is about proving that you are better than those around you.
I suspect Christianity has become the displacement of your own insecurities and
inadequacies - but of course I have only limited training in psychology so
cannot categorically say as much.
You do not understand, Steve, and may well never understand, just how glaring
are the differences between the spirit of what the Bible - particularly the New
Testament - says, and the spirit in which you claim to preach it.
Jesus was about love. You are about hate. Your attitudes are, in truth,
diametrically opposed to those of Christ - yet you claim the right to speak and
judge in his name.
There is a wedding supper coming up. There is also Great *****,
the mother of all trinity denominations! God chose that
terminology, not me!
But it is YOU who applies it so liberally in accordance with your own feelings.
It is YOU who claims the right of a god to judge. You fail to recognise the
difference between you - a mere human subject to the same spiritual
requirements as the rest of us - and a god who is not subject to the same
requirements.
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| User: "Midjis" |
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28 Nov 2004 04:53:30 AM |
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Pastor Winter JNAHC wrote:
Some wonder why I reject fakes
In my experience you generally reject 'fakes' as being those who do not
conform to your specific system of belief, and the various points of
dogma that it entails. In particular, they do not seem to accept you
personally as the most righteous servant of God.
Of course, 'fake' is a new one for you. Normally they would have been
'reprobates', 'filth' and 'false-christian scum'. Perhaps you are
mellowing, at that.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and
to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall
call.
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and
not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices
which they offered year by year continually make the comers
thereunto perfect.
Just as Nadab and Abihu tried to worship God their own way and
BYPASS the brazen altar and offer "strange fire"; the modern day
charismatics bypass repentance and Jesus Name baptism trying to
worship God their own way while still being "of the world".
By living worldly and refusing to repent they offer "strange
fire" unto the Lord. That is why real Acts 2:38 Christians do
not accept the charismatic cults as brethren even if they do obey
part of the plan of salvation.
"Almost christian" cults will not even "almost" go to heaven.
They offer "strange fire", they don't want the original Apostolic
way, though they like the spectacular as did Nadab and Abihu.
Don't be deceived in a charismatic cult. Find a real Apostolic,
Pentecostal Church that doesn't offer a sin leavened "strange
fire" unto the Lord.
The problem here, of course, is that to each sect, the interpretation of
'charismatic cult' is different. Their OWN doctrine, of course, is
'pure', whereas those who do not conform are of course irredeemably
hellbound. You, obviously, are in the same situation. You place
crucial importance on certain parts of scripture whilst ignoring or
rejecting other parts that other 'cults' consider of great importance.
And however many Bible verses you quote here, and whatever reasoning you
give for your choices, you will still be unable to give any real
reasoning as to why your way is the right way. God's Word is confusing
and ambiguous - at least in its current form. You maintain that you
understand its fundamental truth - yet many whom you call 'false-
christian scum' or 'filth' hold the same belief for the same reasons.
Incidentally, it is refreshing to see you post without your usual
followup-to routine. Well done.
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| User: "Steve Winter" |
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28 Nov 2004 10:17:31 PM |
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Midjis < @ . > spake thusly and wrote:
In my experience you generally reject 'fakes' as being those who do not
conform to your specific system of belief, and the various points of
dogma that it entails. In particular, they do not seem to accept you
personally as the most righteous servant of God.
A lot of the false-christian scum want to promote that idea, but
really it is the Word of God that the fakes reject and the truth
about Biblical salvation.
Their hatred for me is just a side effect of their hatred for the
truth. That admittedly may be exacerbated by the fact that I try
not to answer a fool according to his folly.
Pastor Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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| User: "Raymond" |
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29 Nov 2004 08:21:10 AM |
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Steve Winter <steve.NO-SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message news:<1101701716.Mu1o9pYmVd7JlV6DZEQiWw@teranews>...
Midjis < @ . > spake thusly and wrote:
In my experience you generally reject 'fakes' as being those who do not
conform to your specific system of belief, and the various points of
dogma that it entails. In particular, they do not seem to accept you
personally as the most righteous servant of God.
A lot of the false-christian scum want to promote that idea, but
really it is the Word of God that the fakes reject and the truth
about Biblical salvation.
Eph 3:14-21
14 Appreciation of the Mystery
For this reason I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
15 from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, 16 that
He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be
strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man, 17 that
Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted
and grounded in love, 18 may be able to comprehend with all the saints
what is the width and length and depth and height — 19 to know the
love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all
the fullness of God.
20 Now to Him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that
we ask or think, according to the power that works in us, 21 to Him be
glory in the church by Christ Jesus to all generations, forever and
ever. Amen. NKJV
You're sinful first line in most all your post is full of you and that
is the real evil here, that is why people reject you.
Their hatred for me is just a side effect of their hatred for the
truth. That admittedly may be exacerbated by the fact that I try
not to answer a fool according to his folly.
No one hates you, only wish to wash out your filth from your tongue
and mind. No person has to put up with your harassments, then maybe
when you court case is over and you lost it again, someone may just
bring you to court for such language. Since this is a public area,
and not your private area to insult people in. That will be the day,
of rejoicing in the newsgroups.
You try not to answer, that is clear, with out your four letter words;
you would have little to say. We will see when you do reply again as
you always do, with hate, evil, foul terms, and a disregard for what
the Bible does say.
You run on your own power not the power of Christ Jesus, and the above
verses would help, if your heart was not so darken, and lacking the
forgiveness of your sins, that you commit in each post you post.
All the water in Baptism is not going to clean you, as you can not let
a day go by without your evil, unclean tongue adding each day to your
sins, since you were water baptized, or do you take a bath once a week
and say in Jesus name, so that water can clean you again of your filth
of the flesh? While the filth of your spirit you again will still
curses others and degrade what God so loved. Repent and accept your
evil ways and give that legalism and spirit of the LAW to Jesus so you
can find peace, love, joy etc, by the blood of Jesus, 1 John 1:7!
Pastor Winter
God have mercy on your soul, and God bless the true Pastors in His
Church.
Raymond
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| User: "Midjis" |
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29 Nov 2004 07:20:23 AM |
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Steve Winter wrote:
A lot of the false-christian scum want to promote that idea, but
really it is the Word of God that the fakes reject and the truth
about Biblical salvation.
Their hatred for me is just a side effect of their hatred for the
truth. That admittedly may be exacerbated by the fact that I try
not to answer a fool according to his folly.
I do indeed reject the word of your God and your ideas about Biblical
salvation.
But tell me: Why do you use two different screen names?
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Midjis
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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16 Mar 2005 08:07:03 PM |
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He has three, two are foul mouthed and I have plonked, in the other, so far,
he remains quite civil
"Midjis" < @ . > wrote in message
news:Xns95B087B675741ZRHGRGGNVWLDRAVKW@217.32.252.50...
Steve Winter wrote:
A lot of the false-christian scum want to promote that idea, but
really it is the Word of God that the fakes reject and the truth
about Biblical salvation.
Their hatred for me is just a side effect of their hatred for the
truth. That admittedly may be exacerbated by the fact that I try
not to answer a fool according to his folly.
I do indeed reject the word of your God and your ideas about Biblical
salvation.
But tell me: Why do you use two different screen names?
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Midjis
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