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21 Dec 2005 04:35:33 PM |
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Why Intelligent Design Is 'Creationism Relabeled' |
In a sweeping decision, Judge Jones, a Republican appointed by
President Bush, declared that intelligent design was not science but
"creationism relabeled," because it seeks to change the very
definition of science to include supernatural explanations.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2281&ncid=2281&e=1&u=/thenation/20051221/cm_thenation/744239
Why Intelligent Design Is 'Creationism Relabeled'
Katrina vanden Heuvel Wed Dec 21, 1:52 PM ET
The Nation -- In the history of the ongoing battle between science and
faith, Dover, Pennsylvania, has written the latest chapter. Last
month, the residents, who usually vote Republican, ousted eight school
board members who had backed intelligent design. This week, a federal
judge in Harrisburg ruled that it was unconstitutional for the Dover
school district to present intelligent design as an alternative to
evolution.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/21/education/21evolution.html
In a sweeping decision, Judge Jones, a Republican appointed by
President Bush, declared that intelligent design was not science but
"creationism relabeled," because it seeks to change the very
definition of science to include supernatural explanations. This is
obviously a victory for science. What is less obvious is that it is
also a victory for faith.
The most pernicious aspect of the ID movement is its commingling of
science and faith, its attempt to use science and mathematics to prove
the existence of an intelligent designer. Not only does this undermine
science, it undermines faith, which by its very definition is "a
belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence." If
ID scientists were to prove, for example, that the double helix is the
stairway to heaven, then the existence of God would cease to be an
article of faith and become instead a scientific fact.
By drawing a bright line between science and faith, Judge Jones has
done as much to protect faith from science as he has done to protect
science from faith.
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Johnny Asia, Hippie Guitarist
http://johnnyasia.info
"I say play your own way. Don't play what the public wants. You play what
you want and let the public pick up on what you're doing even if it does take
them fifteen, twenty years." - Thelonious Monk
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| User: "Ananias917" |
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| Title: Re: Why Intelligent Design Is 'Creationism Relabeled' |
21 Dec 2005 09:25:02 PM |
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On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:35:33 -0500, Johnny Asia
<poki_pongo at yahoo.com> spake thusly:
In a sweeping decision, Judge Jones, a Republican appointed by
President Bush, declared that intelligent design was not science but
"creationism relabeled," because it seeks to change the very
definition of science to include supernatural explanations.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2281&ncid=2281&e=1&u=/thenation/20051221/cm_thenation/744239
Why Intelligent Design Is 'Creationism Relabeled'
Katrina vanden Heuvel Wed Dec 21, 1:52 PM ET
The Nation -- In the history of the ongoing battle between science and
faith, Dover, Pennsylvania, has written the latest chapter. Last
month, the residents, who usually vote Republican, ousted eight school
board members who had backed intelligent design. This week, a federal
judge in Harrisburg ruled that it was unconstitutional for the Dover
school district to present intelligent design as an alternative to
evolution.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/21/education/21evolution.html
In a sweeping decision, Judge Jones, a Republican appointed by
President Bush, declared that intelligent design was not science but
"creationism relabeled," because it seeks to change the very
definition of science to include supernatural explanations. This is
obviously a victory for science. What is less obvious is that it is
also a victory for faith.
The most pernicious aspect of the ID movement is its commingling of
science and faith, its attempt to use science and mathematics to prove
the existence of an intelligent designer. Not only does this undermine
science, it undermines faith, which by its very definition is "a
belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence." If
ID scientists were to prove, for example, that the double helix is the
stairway to heaven, then the existence of God would cease to be an
article of faith and become instead a scientific fact.
By drawing a bright line between science and faith, Judge Jones has
done as much to protect faith from science as he has done to protect
science from faith.
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Johnny Asia, Hippie Guitarist
http://johnnyasia.info
Science is not about the natural only. It is
anti-science to claim that it all happened
by the natural, when that is impossible.
Science can only TEST the natural. That
does not mean that conclusions are limited
to the natural.
And when an atheist claims this, he is promoting
HIS religion.
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
Would a loving God send people to Hell?
http://godandscience.org/apologetics/hell.html
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| User: "The_Sage" |
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| Title: Re: Why Intelligent Design Is 'Creationism Relabeled' |
21 Dec 2005 11:36:47 PM |
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Reply to article by: Ananias917 <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com>
Date written: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 03:25:02 GMT
MsgID:<n07kq11n67fif2sl75jpkobvn9b0fbma77@4ax.com>
Science is not about the natural only. It is
anti-science to claim that it all happened
by the natural, when that is impossible.
Prove it.
Science can only TEST the natural. That
does not mean that conclusions are limited
to the natural.
Name some accepted scientific conclusions that are beyond the natural then.
And when an atheist claims this, he is promoting
HIS religion.
When a Internet poster claims an Atheist has a religion, they are exposing their
complete ignorance of the meaning of religion.
The Sage
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My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
"Careful when you cast your devil out of you lest you cast
out the best thing in you." -Nietzsche
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| User: "Ananias917" |
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| Title: Re: Why Intelligent Design Is 'Creationism Relabeled' |
22 Dec 2005 12:51:05 AM |
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On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:36:47 -0700, The_Sage
<The_Sage@msn.com> spake thusly:
Reply to article by: Ananias917 <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com>
Date written: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 03:25:02 GMT
MsgID:<n07kq11n67fif2sl75jpkobvn9b0fbma77@4ax.com>
Science is not about the natural only. It is
anti-science to claim that it all happened
by the natural, when that is impossible.
Prove it.
This from the man who once gave the following great
nugget of wisdom...
"Science doesn't prove things"
NEXT!
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
Would a loving God send people to Hell?
http://godandscience.org/apologetics/hell.html
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| User: "icono" |
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| Title: Re: Why Intelligent Design Is 'Creationism Relabeled' |
22 Dec 2005 07:44:23 AM |
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"Ananias917" <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:i5jkq19qjoj4fe142malua45eoqu0tm2q6@4ax.com...
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:36:47 -0700, The_Sage
<The_Sage@msn.com> spake thusly:
Reply to article by: Ananias917 <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com>
Date written: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 03:25:02 GMT
MsgID:<n07kq11n67fif2sl75jpkobvn9b0fbma77@4ax.com>
Science is not about the natural only. It is
anti-science to claim that it all happened
by the natural, when that is impossible.
Prove it.
This from the man who once gave the following great
nugget of wisdom...
"Science doesn't prove things"
NEXT!
DUUUHHH BREAKING NEWS TO THE LOCAL PSEUDO SCIENTIST.
Science does not prove things. The application of investigative processes
called scientific principles, as understood by the person applying those
principles, is an attempt to prove an original premise. The results are
strictly and solely interpreted by the person applying them and are as
accurate as the original premises utilized. Secondary confirmations or
rejections by third parties are made under the same rules, often with
varying premises.
Mathematics has proofs. Science doesn't, except to the neophyte or self
engrandizing egotist.
Even mathematics has an "out" called infinity.
BTW, anyone stating that creationism and intelligent design are not
absolute, semantic, equals, is incapable of utilizing English or Science.
--
Would a loving God send people to Hell?
You? yes.
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| User: "The_Sage" |
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| Title: Re: Why Intelligent Design Is 'Creationism Relabeled' |
23 Dec 2005 12:21:39 AM |
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Reply to article by: Ananias917 <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com>
Date written: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 06:51:05 GMT
MsgID:<i5jkq19qjoj4fe142malua45eoqu0tm2q6@4ax.com>
Science is not about the natural only. It is
anti-science to claim that it all happened
by the natural, when that is impossible.
Prove it.
This from the man who once gave the following great
nugget of wisdom...
"Science doesn't prove things"
NEXT!
In other words, you have no proof because you are all talk and no facts.
The Sage
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My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
"Careful when you cast your devil out of you lest you cast
out the best thing in you." -Nietzsche
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| User: "Prometea" |
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| Title: Re: Why Intelligent Design Is 'Creationism Relabeled' |
26 Dec 2005 01:00:14 AM |
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In article <iq5nq1t2he8ap51o4a7ss20mb2oi4nihlc@4ax.com>, The_Sage
<The_Sage@msn.com> wrote:
In other words, you have no proof because you are all talk and no facts.
The Sage
Yes but to the Fundie or Creationist or intellergint design believer that
is what "faith" has been reduced to.
Which is why at the core the mindset is Fascist - it is like the child
seeking its mummy's hand - no matter how evil the mummy actually is.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Why Intelligent Design Is 'Creationism Relabeled' |
21 Dec 2005 11:14:45 PM |
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Ananias917 wrote:
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:35:33 -0500, Johnny Asia
<poki_pongo at yahoo.com> spake thusly:
In a sweeping decision, Judge Jones, a Republican appointed by
President Bush, declared that intelligent design was not science but
"creationism relabeled," because it seeks to change the very
definition of science to include supernatural explanations.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2281&ncid=2281&e=1&u=/thenation/20051221/cm_thenation/744239
Why Intelligent Design Is 'Creationism Relabeled'
Katrina vanden Heuvel Wed Dec 21, 1:52 PM ET
The Nation -- In the history of the ongoing battle between science and
faith, Dover, Pennsylvania, has written the latest chapter. Last
month, the residents, who usually vote Republican, ousted eight school
board members who had backed intelligent design. This week, a federal
judge in Harrisburg ruled that it was unconstitutional for the Dover
school district to present intelligent design as an alternative to
evolution.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/21/education/21evolution.html
In a sweeping decision, Judge Jones, a Republican appointed by
President Bush, declared that intelligent design was not science but
"creationism relabeled," because it seeks to change the very
definition of science to include supernatural explanations. This is
obviously a victory for science. What is less obvious is that it is
also a victory for faith.
The most pernicious aspect of the ID movement is its commingling of
science and faith, its attempt to use science and mathematics to prove
the existence of an intelligent designer. Not only does this undermine
science, it undermines faith, which by its very definition is "a
belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence." If
ID scientists were to prove, for example, that the double helix is the
stairway to heaven, then the existence of God would cease to be an
article of faith and become instead a scientific fact.
By drawing a bright line between science and faith, Judge Jones has
done as much to protect faith from science as he has done to protect
science from faith.
+
Johnny Asia, Hippie Guitarist
http://johnnyasia.info
Science is not about the natural only. It is
anti-science to claim that it all happened
by the natural, when that is impossible.
Clearly you have never stepped inside a science class or poked
your nose into even the most rudimentary book on the topic.
Science can only TEST the natural. That
does not mean that conclusions are limited
to the natural.
The only reason something has no explanation is a lack of
evidence, not the presence of something unseen.
And when an atheist claims this, he is promoting
HIS religion.
If hinduism equates to eating cow ***** and islam is akin to eating
camel *****, then xianity is equivalent to eating sheep *****.
I don't eat *****. The lack of ***** in my diet is not "another kind of
*****".
Bob Dog
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| User: "Ananias917" |
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| Title: Re: Why Intelligent Design Is 'Creationism Relabeled' |
22 Dec 2005 12:50:17 AM |
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On 21 Dec 2005 21:14:45 -0800,
spake thusly:
Ananias917 wrote:
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:35:33 -0500, Johnny Asia
<poki_pongo at yahoo.com> spake thusly:
In a sweeping decision, Judge Jones, a Republican appointed by
President Bush, declared that intelligent design was not science but
"creationism relabeled," because it seeks to change the very
definition of science to include supernatural explanations.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2281&ncid=2281&e=1&u=/thenation/20051221/cm_thenation/744239
Why Intelligent Design Is 'Creationism Relabeled'
Katrina vanden Heuvel Wed Dec 21, 1:52 PM ET
The Nation -- In the history of the ongoing battle between science and
faith, Dover, Pennsylvania, has written the latest chapter. Last
month, the residents, who usually vote Republican, ousted eight school
board members who had backed intelligent design. This week, a federal
judge in Harrisburg ruled that it was unconstitutional for the Dover
school district to present intelligent design as an alternative to
evolution.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/21/education/21evolution.html
In a sweeping decision, Judge Jones, a Republican appointed by
President Bush, declared that intelligent design was not science but
"creationism relabeled," because it seeks to change the very
definition of science to include supernatural explanations. This is
obviously a victory for science. What is less obvious is that it is
also a victory for faith.
The most pernicious aspect of the ID movement is its commingling of
science and faith, its attempt to use science and mathematics to prove
the existence of an intelligent designer. Not only does this undermine
science, it undermines faith, which by its very definition is "a
belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence." If
ID scientists were to prove, for example, that the double helix is the
stairway to heaven, then the existence of God would cease to be an
article of faith and become instead a scientific fact.
By drawing a bright line between science and faith, Judge Jones has
done as much to protect faith from science as he has done to protect
science from faith.
+
Johnny Asia, Hippie Guitarist
http://johnnyasia.info
Science is not about the natural only. It is
anti-science to claim that it all happened
by the natural, when that is impossible.
Clearly you have never stepped inside a science class or poked
your nose into even the most rudimentary book on the topic.
Science can only TEST the natural. That
does not mean that conclusions are limited
to the natural.
The only reason something has no explanation is a lack of
evidence, not the presence of something unseen.
And when an atheist claims this, he is promoting
HIS religion.
If hinduism equates to eating cow ***** and islam is akin to eating
camel *****, then xianity is equivalent to eating sheep *****.
I don't eat *****. The lack of ***** in my diet is not "another kind of
*****".
Thank you for showing me my ignorance. I will now
endeavor to learn from the thoroughly scientific
analysis you have provided, which was obviously
based on pure scientific processes.
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
Would a loving God send people to Hell?
http://godandscience.org/apologetics/hell.html
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| User: "john w" |
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22 Dec 2005 11:19:16 AM |
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On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:35:33 -0500, Johnny Asia <poki_pongo at
yahoo.com> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of
this article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the author
In a sweeping decision, Judge Jones, a Republican appointed by
President Bush, declared that intelligent design was not science but
"creationism relabeled," because it seeks to change the very
definition of science to include supernatural explanations.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2281&ncid=2281&e=1&u=/thenation/20051221/cm_thenation/744239
Why Intelligent Design Is 'Creationism Relabeled'
Duh! Ya think?
john w
Katrina vanden Heuvel Wed Dec 21, 1:52 PM ET
The Nation -- In the history of the ongoing battle between science and
faith, Dover, Pennsylvania, has written the latest chapter. Last
month, the residents, who usually vote Republican, ousted eight school
board members who had backed intelligent design. This week, a federal
judge in Harrisburg ruled that it was unconstitutional for the Dover
school district to present intelligent design as an alternative to
evolution.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/21/education/21evolution.html
In a sweeping decision, Judge Jones, a Republican appointed by
President Bush, declared that intelligent design was not science but
"creationism relabeled," because it seeks to change the very
definition of science to include supernatural explanations. This is
obviously a victory for science. What is less obvious is that it is
also a victory for faith.
The most pernicious aspect of the ID movement is its commingling of
science and faith, its attempt to use science and mathematics to prove
the existence of an intelligent designer. Not only does this undermine
science, it undermines faith, which by its very definition is "a
belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence." If
ID scientists were to prove, for example, that the double helix is the
stairway to heaven, then the existence of God would cease to be an
article of faith and become instead a scientific fact.
By drawing a bright line between science and faith, Judge Jones has
done as much to protect faith from science as he has done to protect
science from faith.
+
Johnny Asia, Hippie Guitarist
http://johnnyasia.info
"I say play your own way. Don't play what the public wants. You play what
you want and let the public pick up on what you're doing even if it does take
them fifteen, twenty years." - Thelonious Monk
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| User: "Prometea" |
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| Title: Re: Why Intelligent Design Is 'Creationism Relabeled' |
26 Dec 2005 12:58:13 AM |
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In article <pvnlq1lptrnfv1t86a8ep0m4sd14vkgrn0@4ax.com>, john w
<johnw@yow.how> wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:35:33 -0500, Johnny Asia <poki_pongo at
yahoo.com> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of
this article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the author
In a sweeping decision, Judge Jones, a Republican appointed by
President Bush, declared that intelligent design was not science but
"creationism relabeled," because it seeks to change the very
definition of science to include supernatural explanations.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2281&ncid=2281&e=1&u=/thenation/20051221/cm_thenation/744239
Why Intelligent Design Is 'Creationism Relabeled'
Duh! Ya think?
john w
Absolutely
Creationism , intellergint design, and Fundamentalism are forms of Fascism
- disguised as "religion"
They are found hiding in all religions, but their source is the same - a
deformed and infantile mentality, a dysfunctioning intellect, and a
deranged mindset - combined with a desperate need to dominate and hate
what they cannot comprehend.
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