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"Pastor Dave" |
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14 Aug 2007 01:59:18 PM |
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Why is the When So Important? |
* Why is the timing as to when Jesus returned
or will return so important?
* If the truth isn’t made known then the Futurist
lie will continue to be believed.
* If the Futurist lie is believed, then the Christians,
Christian groups, and the U.S.A., the British, and most
all of the very powerful Christian and military world
leaders will have been, and are, and will continue to
be mislead and deceived.
* Under the Futurist doctrine, they will be taught by
their advisors and church leaders that the Israelites are
still God’s special, chosen people. Today, however, the
church that believes in Jesus Christ constitutes the chosen
people of God.
* The world’s most powerful leaders will then be
the ones that help these Jews in every way with out any
questions asked monetarily, militarily or any other way.
They will be deluded into thinking they are helping to
fulfill a mission of God.
* These leaders will do anything to keep the Israelites
in power and in their own supposed land and will protect
them from everyone, no matter how badly the Israelites
conduct themselves. This is known as Christian Zionism!
* This unquestioned and blind alliance will be seen
by the rest of the world as if a despot God is attacking
innocent peoples.
* This will create a worldwide disruption such as
terrorism, or something even worse!
* This terrorism will never end until GOD’s truth
is known.
* The truth is that Jesus did come back in A.D. 70 and
now there is only one people and one salvation. There is
no longer a distinction between Jew and gentile in the eyes
of God, nor in His plans. The Church has become the Israel
of God.
* This is why the truth of Preterism needs to be made
known to ALL. The time of the Lord’s return suddenly
becomes intensely important to each and every individual.
~by David B. Curtis
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| User: "randy" |
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| Title: Re: Why is the When So Important? |
14 Aug 2007 07:51:47 PM |
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"Pastor Dave"
* If the Futurist lie is believed, then the Christians,
Christian groups, and the U.S.A., the British, and most
all of the very powerful Christian and military world
leaders will have been, and are, and will continue to
be mislead and deceived.
* Under the Futurist doctrine, they will be taught by
their advisors and church leaders that the Israelites are
still God's special, chosen people. Today, however, the
church that believes in Jesus Christ constitutes the
chosen
people of God.
That is not true. God's covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and
Jacob remain in force. God's promises for Israel remain in
force. In fact, God made a covenant with Abraham to save
many of the nations of the earth. We should know that Israel
is special because she has borne the responsibility of
delivering God's initial covenants to this world, and has
had to suffer as a result. We should respect those who went
through great trials to bring forth the Christ in his time.
Israel remains beloved on behalf of the patriarchs who
fathered them. God will not let Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob
down. Nor will he let down Moses and all of the prophets who
promised Israel ultimate national salvation.
randy
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| User: "®andy" |
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| Title: Re: Why is the When So Important? |
15 Aug 2007 12:50:04 AM |
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:51:47 -0700,
in article <Ba-dnY7tNIa601_bnZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d@wavecable.com>,
"randy" <rkluth@wavecable.com> wrote:
That is not true. God's covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and
Jacob remain in force. God's promises for Israel remain in
force. In fact, God made a covenant with Abraham to save
many of the nations of the earth. We should know that Israel
is special because she has borne the responsibility of
delivering God's initial covenants to this world, and has
had to suffer as a result. We should respect those who went
through great trials to bring forth the Christ in his time.
Israel remains beloved on behalf of the patriarchs who
fathered them. God will not let Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob
down. Nor will he let down Moses and all of the prophets who
promised Israel ultimate national salvation.
Correct. Romans 11:26ff.
©2007 pulpitfire.net, pulpitfire.org, pulpitfire.com
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We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself
up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every
thought to make it obedient to Christ. †2 Corinthians 10:5
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Why is the When So Important? |
15 Aug 2007 12:43:42 PM |
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:51:47 -0700, "randy"
<rkluth@wavecable.com> wrote:
"Pastor Dave"
* If the Futurist lie is believed, then the Christians,
Christian groups, and the U.S.A., the British, and most
all of the very powerful Christian and military world
leaders will have been, and are, and will continue to
be mislead and deceived.
* Under the Futurist doctrine, they will be taught by
their advisors and church leaders that the Israelites are
still God's special, chosen people. Today, however, the
church that believes in Jesus Christ constitutes the
chosen
people of God.
That is not true.
Yes, it is.
God's covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and
Jacob remain in force.
God's covenant that remained in force was about Christ,
just as Galatians says. Furthermore, Paul called what
you wait for "bondage" and said it was "thrown out".
Learn what the Bible says. Christ did not come to save
a strip of dirt!
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| User: "randy" |
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| Title: Re: Why is the When So Important? |
17 Aug 2007 09:07:04 AM |
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"Pastor Dave"
"randy"
God's covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and
Jacob remain in force.
God's covenant that remained in force was about Christ,
just as Galatians says. Furthermore, Paul called what
you wait for "bondage" and said it was "thrown out".
The Law was incapable of bringing about the promised
salvation of national Israel. But it was able to prepare
Israel for the coming of Christ. Undoubtedly, everything
promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob was to be fulfilled in
Christ. It nonetheless remains true that what God promised
to A, I, and J will come to pass *thru Christ!*
Learn what the Bible says. Christ did not come to save
a strip of dirt!
He came to save the whole world.
randy
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Why is the When So Important? |
17 Aug 2007 10:41:19 AM |
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:07:04 -0700, "randy"
<rkluth@wavecable.com> wrote:
"Pastor Dave"
"randy"
God's covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and
Jacob remain in force.
God's covenant that remained in force was about Christ,
just as Galatians says. Furthermore, Paul called what
you wait for "bondage" and said it was "thrown out".
The Law was incapable of bringing about the promised
salvation of national Israel.
I am not interested in your whining. Once again,
you snipped what didn't suit you. As far as I'm
concerned, you're nothing but a lying *****.
--
A liberal is someone who will give away everything
except his/her own possessions.
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| User: "randy" |
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| Title: Re: Why is the When So Important? |
19 Aug 2007 10:22:16 PM |
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"Pastor Dave"
"randy"
The Law was incapable of bringing about the promised
salvation of national Israel.
I am not interested in your whining. Once again,
you snipped what didn't suit you. As far as I'm
concerned, you're nothing but a lying *****.
That's quite a rebuttal!
randy
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| User: "snowpheonix" |
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| Title: Re: Why is the When So Important? |
20 Aug 2007 09:41:12 PM |
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On Aug 15, 4:59=C2=A0am, Pastor Dave <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0* Why is the timing as to when Jesus returned
or will return so important?
It's not important except that we be ready for it to happen in the
future. To suppose it's already happened would mean that we are
living in "a new heaven and a new earth" and buddy.. this place ain't
heaven!
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 * If the truth isn=E2=80=99t made known then the Futurist
lie will continue to be believed.
The truth is known and all you have to do is believe your scriptures
and not make up your own theoligy because you believed in the lie of
evolution and not the bible.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 * If the Futurist lie is believed, then the Christians,
Christian groups, and the U.S.A., the British, and most
all of the very powerful Christian and military world
leaders will have been, and are, and will continue to
be mislead and deceived.
So this just an Anti-Western Society attack. I think I understand you
a little bit better the more I read from you. Western society is far
from perfect but if you don't like it, move.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 * Under the Futurist doctrine, they will be taught by
their advisors and church leaders that the Israelites are
still God=E2=80=99s special, chosen people. Today, however, the
church that believes in Jesus Christ constitutes the chosen
people of God.
Gen 12:1 And =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=94 said to Ab=CC=B1ram, =E2=80=9CGo you=
rself out of your land, from
your relatives and from your father=E2=80=99s house, to a land which I show
you.
Gen 12:2 =E2=80=9CAnd I shall make you a great nation, and bless you and ma=
ke
your name great, and you shall be a blessing!
Gen 12:3 =E2=80=9CAnd I shall bless those who bless you, and curse him who
curses you. And in you all the clans of the earth shall be blessed.=E2=80=
=9D
Or you can learn out of the Scriptures that are availible to anybody
at your local book store. I prefer www.ucg.org because they are a
Sabbath practicing church. What's yours again?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 * The world=E2=80=99s most powerful leaders will then be
the ones that help these Jews in every way with out any
questions asked monetarily, militarily or any other way.
They will be deluded into thinking they are helping to
fulfill a mission of God.
Eph 6:5 Servants, obey your masters according to the flesh, with fear
and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Messiah;
Eph 6:6 not with eye-service as men-pleasers, but as servants of
Messiah, doing the desire of Elohim from the inner self,1 Footnote:
1Rom. 6:16-26.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 * These leaders will do anything to keep the Israelites
in power and in their own supposed land and will protect
them from everyone, no matter how badly the Israelites
conduct themselves. This is known as Christian Zionism!
Eph 6:12 Because we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but
against principalities, against authorities, against the world-rulers
of the darkness of this age, against spiritual matters of wickedness
in the heavenlies.
Eph 6:13 Because of this, take up the complete armour of Elohim, so
that you have power to withstand in the wicked day, and having done
all, to stand.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 * This unquestioned and blind alliance will be seen
by the rest of the world as if a despot God is attacking
innocent peoples.
Eph 6:14 Stand, then, having girded your waist with truth, and having
put on the breastplate of righteousness,
Eph 6:15 and having fitted your feet with the preparation of the Good
News of peace;
Eph 6:16 above all, having taken up the shield of belief with which
you shall have power to quench all the burning arrows of the wicked
one.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 * This will create a worldwide disruption such as
terrorism, or something even worse!
Eph 6:17 Take also the helmet of deliverance, and the sword of the
Spirit, which is the Word of Elohim,1 Footnote: 1Isa. 59:21.
Eph 6:18 praying at all times, with all prayer and supplication in the
Spirit, watching in all perseverance and supplication for all the set-
apart ones;
Eph 6:19 also for me, that a word might be given to me in the opening
of my mouth, to be bold in making known the secret of the Good News,
Eph 6:20 for which I am an envoy in chains, that in it I might speak
boldly, as I should speak.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 * This terrorism will never end until GOD=E2=80=99s truth
is known.
Mar 12:15 =E2=80=9CShould we pay, or should we not pay?=E2=80=9D And He, kn=
owing their
hypocrisy, said to them, =E2=80=9CWhy do you try Me? Bring Me a silver piece
to look at.=E2=80=9D
Mar 12:16 And they brought it, and He said to them, =E2=80=9CWhose likeness
and inscription is this?=E2=80=9D And they said to Him, =E2=80=9CCaesar=E2=
=80=99s.=E2=80=9D
Mar 12:17 So =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2 said to them, =E2=80=9CGive to =
Caesar what is Caesar=E2=80=99s, and
to Elohim what is Elohim=E2=80=99s.=E2=80=9D And they marvelled at Him.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 * The truth is that Jesus did come back in A.D. 70 and
now there is only one people and one salvation. There is
no longer a distinction between Jew and gentile in the eyes
of God, nor in His plans. The Church has become the Israel
of God.
Heb 13:8 =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2 Messiah is the same yesterday, and =
today, and forever.
Heb 13:9 Do not be borne about by various and strange teachings.1 For
it is good for the heart to be established by favour, not with foods
which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.
Footnote: 1Eph. 4:14.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 * This is why the truth of Preterism needs to be made
known to ALL. =C2=A0The time of the Lord=E2=80=99s return suddenly
becomes intensely important to each and every individual.
1Th 4:15 For this we say to you by the word of the Master, that we,
the living who are left over at the coming of the Master shall in no
way go before those who are asleep.
1Th 4:16 Because the Master Himself shall come down from heaven with a
shout, with the voice of a chief messenger, and with the trumpet of
Elohim, and the dead in Messiah shall rise first.
1Th 4:17 Then we, the living who are left over, shall be caught away
together with them in the clouds to meet the Master in the air =E2=80=93 and
so we shall always be with the Master.
1Th 4:18 So, then, encourage one another with these words.
~by David B. Curtis
SnowPheonix
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| User: "®andy" |
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| Title: More of Dave's unprovoked attacks on futurists |
14 Aug 2007 02:21:18 PM |
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:59:18 -0400,
in article <diu3c3dnmd9uukaad80ipv8ev2rnufjt9f@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
* If the truth isn’t made known then the Futurist
lie will continue to be believed.
And this attack on futurists is a response to what?
©2007 pulpitfire.net, pulpitfire.org, pulpitfire.com
--
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself
up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every
thought to make it obedient to Christ. †2 Corinthians 10:5
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Why is the When So Important? |
20 Aug 2007 05:13:53 PM |
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:59:18 -0400, Pastor Dave <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
* Why is the timing as to when Jesus returned
or will return so important?
It's not. Only the Father knows, so the rest of us are wasting our time trying
to figure it out. It's much better to spend all our time following Jesus in
service to our fellow man, as he directed us.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Glenn" |
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20 Aug 2007 08:06:34 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:59:18 -0400, Pastor Dave <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
* Why is the timing as to when Jesus returned
or will return so important?
It's not. Only the Father knows, so the rest of us are wasting our time trying
to figure it out. It's much better to spend all our time following Jesus in
service to our fellow man, as he directed us.
Above is an example of the delusion and lies that Satan has deceived
God's People. Mat 24:24.
Jesus did not say "no man knows when..."
What Jesus DID say, it that "no man know the day or hour." Mat 24:34-36.
Until you can comprehend the difference between the lie ("no one knows
when") and the truth ("no one knows the day or hour") Satan has robbed
you of the Truth of God's Word.
www.thelittlebookopened.org/main/about/signs.html
Glenn
His witness
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http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
Note, the site at xprt.net will close 1Sept07 and open as
www.thelittlebookopened.org [Key words:] "The Little Book";
Glenn McClary, servitum, gaedhealic, oldwetdog
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| User: "®andy" |
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21 Aug 2007 07:33:09 AM |
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On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 18:06:34 -0700,
in article <faddqs01uer@enews4.newsguy.com>,
Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:59:18 -0400, Pastor Dave <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
* Why is the timing as to when Jesus returned
or will return so important?
It's not. Only the Father knows, so the rest of us are wasting our time trying
to figure it out. It's much better to spend all our time following Jesus in
service to our fellow man, as he directed us.
Above is an example of the delusion and lies that Satan has deceived
God's People. Mat 24:24.
Jesus did not say "no man knows when..."
What Jesus DID say, it that "no man know the day or hour." Mat 24:34-36.
Until you can comprehend the difference between the lie ("no one knows
when") and the truth ("no one knows the day or hour") Satan has robbed
you of the Truth of God's Word.
www.thelittlebookopened.org/main/about/signs.html
Glenn
His witness
[this ad sponsored by the Please Buy My Little Book Of Idiotic
Heresy Foundation]
©2007 pulpitfire.net, pulpitfire.org, pulpitfire.com
--
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself
up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every
thought to make it obedient to Christ. †2 Corinthians 10:5
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
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