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"Yas" |
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18 Dec 2003 10:08:10 AM |
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Will America ever fight israel's terrorism? |
Example of israel's systematic Terrorism towards the Palestinian people that
started long before the Intifada, long before Al Qaeda.
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In April 2002, the troops and tanks of the Israeli army attacked Ramallah
and other towns in occupied Palestine. This was reported as an 'incursion'
to stop terrorism. In fact it was also an attack on civilian life: on
schools, offices, clinics, theatres, radio stations. This systematic
vandalism is typical of one of the longest military occupations in modern
times.
Even the Culture Ministry was destroyed. The director, Liana Badr - Director
of the Palestinian Ministry of Culture and a distinguished novelist and
filmmaker - showed the devastation to John Pilger shortly after it had
happened.
In the administration room files were strewn over the floor and all office
equipment had been deliberately vandalised.
This was a place which promoted Palestinian cultural projects - film making,
book exhibitions and exhibitions of childrens' work, which had been
effectively destroyed by Israeli troops. Liana Badr explains:
"Now we don't have anything to begin with, we don't have computers,
equipment, furniture. And we have this feeling of humiliation".
Elsewhere in the Ministry, Israeli soldiers had smeared their own excrement
on the walls and on office equipment and vandalised an exhibition of
paintings made by Palestinian children.
"They have destroyed everything", says Liana, "They don't respect anything,
they just want to come and destroy and this is the systematic terrorism of
the Israeli state."
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| User: "Heinrich" |
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18 Dec 2003 10:35:14 AM |
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"Yas" <spam@127.0.0.1> schreef in bericht
news:3fe1d0fa$0$36589$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net...
of course not. who is the boss and who is the slave?
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| User: "AnonMoos" |
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| Title: Re: Will America ever fight israel's terrorism? |
18 Dec 2003 10:59:40 AM |
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"Yas" <spam@127.0.0.1> wrote:
Example of israel's systematic Terrorism towards the Palestinian
people that started long before the Intifada, long before Al Qaeda.
-------- In April 2002
How is April 2002 "long before" the current phoney pseudo-Intifada
(self-indulgent violence binge), and "long before Al Qaeda"?? I think
you need to look at a calendar, Yassie-baby!
Meanwhile, your shallow cynical propaganda line that the Israelis are
somehow "terrorists" is utter nonsense, considering that the Israeli
army is a professional military force, which considers that it has a
specific military job to do, which should ideally be accomplished with
a minimum of unnecessary casualties on all sides. This ideal is not
always achieved, of course -- but there's no general tendency in
Israeli society to nihilistically glorify killing for the sake of mere
killing, nor to celebrate killings of civilians, and there's no cult
of child sacrifice. When we contrast this with the repellent little
Cult of Death-Worship and Child Sacrifice which the Palestinians are
building up through their perverse glorification and enthusiastic
celebration of nihilistic immoral suicide terrorism crimes -- which
have no goal and achieve nothing except to kill civilians for the sole
and exclusive purpose of killing civilians -- then it's not hard to
see which of the two sides is more terroristic!
It's a simple political fact in this country (whether you like it or
not) that the U.S. government will be extremely reluctant to place
strong effective pressure on Israel as long as the Palestinian
authorities are not making any serious effort to crack down against
such terrorism (but are in fact actively encouraging the
aforementioned repellent little Cult of Death-Worship and Child
Sacrifice which "honors" vile loathesome despicable immoral
suicide-bomber terrorist criminals).
P.S. Are you actually "Caiaphas" pretending to be an Arab? -- he's
the one who pointlessly cross-posts to the Methodist group.
--
Hamas motto: لا إله لهم
إلا الموت،
«حماس» رسول
الموت (The death-worshipping cult)
Murderers are not martyrs! http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
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| User: "Yas" |
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| Title: Re: Will America ever fight israel's terrorism? |
18 Dec 2003 12:48:35 PM |
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"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
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"Yas" <spam@127.0.0.1> wrote:
Example of israel's systematic Terrorism towards the Palestinian
people that started long before the Intifada, long before Al Qaeda.
-------- In April 2002
How is April 2002 "long before" the current phoney pseudo-Intifada
(self-indulgent violence binge), and "long before Al Qaeda"?? I think
you need to look at a calendar, Yassie-baby!
There are countless examples israeli terrorism dating right back to early
days of this "state". Of course plenty zionists terrorism in Palestine
before that. I just happned to mention a more recent example that people may
know this is still going on in their life time!!
Meanwhile, your shallow cynical propaganda line that the Israelis are
somehow "terrorists" is utter nonsense, considering that the Israeli
army is a professional military force,
Can you honestly sit there and tell me that destroying Palestinian Cultural
Ministry, vandalising Palestinian children's work, smearing their fowl
excrement on the walls and on office equipment amounts to "Professional
military conduct"??
which considers that it has a
specific military job to do,
Yes we all know what that job is don't we. To terrorise the Palestinian
people so they'll leave and israel can steal more of their land!!
which should ideally be accomplished with
a minimum of unnecessary casualties on all sides.
Oh come on Annonmoose, even you don't really believe that do you??? the
israeli army don't value any life except their own. They'll gladely drop a 2
ton bomb on a crowed civillian building, they'll gladely fire misiles into a
crowded street and crowded Market. They'll gladely open fire on children
playing in the street!
Actually they also seem to value American life, well after all that's where
the money and their weapons ALL comes from.
This ideal is not
always achieved, of course -- but there's no general tendency in
Israeli society to nihilistically glorify killing for the sake of mere
killing, nor to celebrate killings of civilians, and there's no cult
of child sacrifice. When we contrast this with the repellent little
Cult of Death-Worship and Child Sacrifice which the Palestinians are
building up through their perverse glorification and enthusiastic
celebration of nihilistic immoral suicide terrorism crimes -- which
have no goal and achieve nothing except to kill civilians for the sole
and exclusive purpose of killing civilians -- then it's not hard to
see which of the two sides is more terroristic!
Well I agree with you there, the Palestinian side on the surface would seem
to be more terroristic. But really what choice do they have??? They have
tried everything! and as long as the US continues to support this terrorist
regieme in israel, israel keeps stealing more land, building more illegal
settlements, telling more lies, killing more Palestinians, Killing more
peace activists...
Trust me if US armed the Palestinians half as well as they have the israelis
there would be no more suicide attacks.
or if israel listened to the International community and Law minus US and
went back to the 1967 borders and let the Palestinians create a independant
soverign state this nightmare would be over for everyone!
It's a simple political fact in this country (whether you like it or
not) that the U.S. government will be extremely reluctant to place
strong effective pressure on Israel as long as the Palestinian
authorities are not making any serious effort to crack down against
such terrorism (but are in fact actively encouraging the
aforementioned repellent little Cult of Death-Worship and Child
Sacrifice which "honors" vile loathesome despicable immoral
suicide-bomber terrorist criminals).
Well loosely translated, as long as the zionists continue to pull the
strings in EVERY corridor of power in America, US will continue to support
and fund the terrorist activities of israel.
P.S. Are you actually "Caiaphas" pretending to be an Arab? -- he's
the one who pointlessly cross-posts to the Methodist group.
I never said I was Caiaphas or an Arab.
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| User: "AnonMoos" |
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19 Dec 2003 12:25:21 AM |
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"Yas" <spam@127.0.0.1> wrote:
"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
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P.S. Are you actually "Caiaphas" pretending to be an Arab? -- he's
the one who pointlessly cross-posts to the Methodist group.
I never said I was Caiaphas or an Arab.
You've pretty much implied that you're a Muslim, while Caiaphas claims
to be a Christian -- but you two cross-post to a suspiciously-similar
list of groups (including the strange cross-posting to the Methodist
group). I wonder if you two aren't just one individual who enjoys
playing both sides of the fence.
--
Some Qur'an quotes: 5:20 qaala muusaa 5:21 "yaa qawmi ´dkhuluu ´l-'arDa
´l-muqaddasata ´llatii kataba ´llaahu lakum" 17:104 waqulnaa ... libanii
'israa'iila "´skunuu ´l-'arDa" || In English: Moses said, "My people,
go into the Holy Land which God has assigned to you!" And we said to the
Children of Israel, "Inhabit the land!" http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
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| User: "Yas" |
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| Title: Re: Will America ever fight israel's terrorism? |
19 Dec 2003 09:20:25 AM |
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"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
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"Yas" <spam@127.0.0.1> wrote:
"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
news:3FE1DCFC.569B9FE3@io.com...
P.S. Are you actually "Caiaphas" pretending to be an Arab? -- he's
the one who pointlessly cross-posts to the Methodist group.
I never said I was Caiaphas or an Arab.
You've pretty much implied that you're a Muslim, while Caiaphas claims
to be a Christian -- but you two cross-post to a suspiciously-similar
list of groups (including the strange cross-posting to the Methodist
group). I wonder if you two aren't just one individual who enjoys
playing both sides of the fence.
Oh so Caiaphas is a person??? I don't think I've seen any of his/her posts
before.
By the way thanks for snipping all of my original post! :-)
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| User: "AnonMoos" |
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19 Dec 2003 10:05:02 AM |
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Yas wrote:
"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
news:3FE299D1.D20EC682@io.com...
"Yas" <spam@127.0.0.1> wrote:
"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
news:3FE1DCFC.569B9FE3@io.com...
P.S. Are you actually "Caiaphas" pretending to be an Arab? --
he's the one who pointlessly cross-posts to the Methodist group.
I never said I was Caiaphas or an Arab.
You've pretty much implied that you're a Muslim, while Caiaphas
claims to be a Christian -- but you two cross-post to a
suspiciously-similar list of groups (including the strange
cross-posting to the Methodist group). I wonder if you two aren't
just one individual who enjoys playing both sides of the fence.
Oh so Caiaphas is a person??? I don't think I've seen any of his/her
posts before.
I don't see why not -- you post to much the same groups, and I don't
think that anyone else other than you two habitually sets up a
cross-posting between "alt.religion.christian.methodist" and
"soc.culture.israel".
By the way thanks for snipping all of my original post! :-)
I wanted to deal with that one sentence without having to deal with
the whole rest of the post at the same time -- but see my message
URL:<news:3FE31CFE.45F9B54@io.com> for a reply to the rest of your
message.
--
Some Qur'an quotes: 5:20 qaala muusaa 5:21 "yaa qawmi ´dkhuluu ´l-'arDa
´l-muqaddasata ´llatii kataba ´llaahu lakum" 17:104 waqulnaa ... libanii
'israa'iila "´skunuu ´l-'arDa" || In English: Moses said, "My people,
go into the Holy Land which God has assigned to you!" And we said to the
Children of Israel, "Inhabit the land!" http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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21 Dec 2003 05:41:45 AM |
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"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
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Some Qur'an quotes: 5:20 qaala muusaa 5:21 "yaa qawmi ´dkhuluu ´l-'arDa
´l-muqaddasata ´llatii kataba ´llaahu lakum" 17:104 waqulnaa ... libanii
'israa'iila "´skunuu ´l-'arDa" ||
In English: Moses said, "My people,
go into the Holy Land which God has assigned to you!" And we said to the
Children of Israel, "Inhabit the land!" http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
Note, it says nothing about countermanding the Lord's 10 commandments,
particularly those about coveting and killing, but obtaining the land
legally and peacefully, like any immigrants. Instead of that, that Hebrews
became a killing machine leaving nothing alive that "breatheth". Why should
Arabs trust them now? See below
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Pastor Frank
(Holocaust of the entire native population of "the promised land" and
the continuing colonial brutality against Palestinian natives)
Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
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| User: "AnonMoos" |
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21 Dec 2003 03:40:10 PM |
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You're a boringly monotonously tedious one-trick pony (nothing more
than a broken record endlessly mechanically mindlessly repeating
itself), phoney "Pastor" Frank!
--
Some Qur'an quotes: 5:20 qaala muusaa 5:21 "yaa qawmi ´dkhuluu ´l-'arDa
´l-muqaddasata ´llatii kataba ´llaahu lakum" 17:104 waqulnaa ... libanii
'israa'iila "´skunuu ´l-'arDa" || In English: Moses said, "My people,
go into the Holy Land which God has assigned to you!" And we said to the
Children of Israel, "Inhabit the land!" http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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22 Dec 2003 11:24:46 PM |
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"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
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You're a boringly monotonously tedious one-trick pony (nothing more
than a broken record endlessly mechanically mindlessly repeating
itself), phoney "Pastor" Frank!
--
Some Qur'an quotes: 5:20 qaala muusaa 5:21 "yaa qawmi ´dkhuluu ´l-'arDa
´l-muqaddasata ´llatii kataba ´llaahu lakum" 17:104 waqulnaa ... libanii
'israa'iila "´skunuu ´l-'arDa" || In English: Moses said, "My people,
go into the Holy Land which God has assigned to you!" And we said to the
Children of Israel, "Inhabit the land!" http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
Tell that to the holocaust survivors Jews as well as Palestinians. O, I
forgot, you deny any holocausts were committed.
--
Pastor Frank
Famous Zionist Quote (back when the Zionists were really cocky):
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not
even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because
those Arab villages were destroyed and don't exist any longer, nor do the
geography books which showed them, for they were destroyed also and replaced
with Israeli geography books showing only Israeli names.
Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta;
Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushu'a in the place of
Tal al-Shuman. There is not one single place built in this country that did
not have a former Arab Population."
--Moshe Dayan, Address to the Technion, Haifa (as quoted in
Ha'aretz, 4 April 1969) http://www.birzeit.edu/crdps/village@.html
http://www.jerusalemites.org/crimes/destroyed_villages/list.htm
Conservative observers state, that Israel was built on the bones of at
least two million Palestinians. By December 1948, 418 Arab villages had been
destroyed, and the United Nations Relief and Works Agency registers 726,000
Palestinian refugees. Walter Eytan, Director-General of Israel's Foreign
Ministry, accepts this figure as meticulous, and even suggests that the
number was closer to 800,000. In Lydda alone Zionist terrorists murdered
50,000 Palestinians, men, women and children, both Muslim and Christian.
(See: The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949. by Benny
Morris: ISBN # 0-521-33028-9)
Only about 5 percent of the present day Jews came from Palestine,
whereas 95 percent are Khazars.
"...I know the blasphemy of them WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS,
and are not, BUT ARE THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN." (Revelation
2:9, 3:9)
PETITION TO WORLD LEADERS
We, the undersigned want justice, and have the appalling death toll of
Zionist aggression, oppression, occupation and colonialism in the Middle
East declared a "Crime against Humanity" which must be punished. We
want human rights respected, occupation and confiscation of land made
illegal, and the appalling conditions imposed on occupied civilian
populations lifted.
We want an International Court with power to resolve territorial
disputes established NOW, so that the dispossessed and ethnically
cleansed can sue for redress, instead of having to draw scant
attention to their plight by needing to blow themselves up in the
presence of their ruthless enemies.
Any government conducting or supporting colonialism or other
human rights abuses, must be declared a rogue state and their leaders
and perpetrators must face criminal charges. Supporting, encouraging
or financing human and civil rights abusers must be considered a hate crime.
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| User: "Ahn Fyuh Wi Dizayah" |
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23 Dec 2003 12:06:47 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
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You're a boringly monotonously tedious one-trick pony (nothing more
than a broken record endlessly mechanically mindlessly repeating
itself), phoney "Pastor" Frank!
Jesus Christ loved sucking the penises of random men he met in a public
restroom. Most priests simply molest young boys, but Pastor Frank chooses to
molest young dead gay boys, especially if he can also serve their flesh to
his guests. A lifelong pursuit of sodomy and coprophagia has left him with
several crippling and fatal diseases, but the Pastor keeps preaching - now
on the Internet. Jesus Christ would understand, and he'd surely give Pastor
Frank a reacharound.
You want to know what your future is, if you go down this path of evil,
Pastor Frank?
Have you seen this website?
http://www.fuckchrist.com/
I think it explains the people who hate, the truly hateful people who are
full of hate, who detest Christianity and wish to eradicate it by force.
They're also anti-Semitic and anti-Muslim. This is more exciting to me than
the warmed-over Christian (like Pastor Frank) at www.stormfront.com,. and
definitely more intriguing than the beer, boots and battle types at
www.natall.com.
Pastor Frank, being a Nazi and a devotee of Jesus Christ, himself a
degenerate homosexual rightly executed by the people of his city of
residence, would do well to study how hate proliferates and will eventually
come back to haunt his young dead gay boy molesting *****. He could also
consult my list of anti-Racist resources, which I've posted recently and
will post again if requested.
--
Some Qur'an quotes: 5:20 qaala muusaa 5:21 "yaa qawmi ´dkhuluu
´l-'arDa
´l-muqaddasata ´llatii kataba ´llaahu lakum" 17:104 waqulnaa ...
libanii
'israa'iila "´skunuu ´l-'arDa" || In English: Moses said, "My
people,
go into the Holy Land which God has assigned to you!" And we said to
the
Children of Israel, "Inhabit the land!"
http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
Tell that to the holocaust survivors Jews as well as Palestinians. O,
I
forgot, you deny any holocausts were committed.
--
Pastor Frank
Famous Zionist Quote (back when the Zionists were really cocky):
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not
even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because
those Arab villages were destroyed and don't exist any longer, nor do the
geography books which showed them, for they were destroyed also and
replaced
with Israeli geography books showing only Israeli names.
Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of
Jibta;
Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushu'a in the place
of
Tal al-Shuman. There is not one single place built in this country that
did
not have a former Arab Population."
--Moshe Dayan, Address to the Technion, Haifa (as quoted in
Ha'aretz, 4 April 1969) http://www.birzeit.edu/crdps/village@.html
http://www.jerusalemites.org/crimes/destroyed_villages/list.htm
Conservative observers state, that Israel was built on the bones of
at
least two million Palestinians. By December 1948, 418 Arab villages had
been
destroyed, and the United Nations Relief and Works Agency registers
726,000
Palestinian refugees. Walter Eytan, Director-General of Israel's Foreign
Ministry, accepts this figure as meticulous, and even suggests that the
number was closer to 800,000. In Lydda alone Zionist terrorists murdered
50,000 Palestinians, men, women and children, both Muslim and Christian.
(See: The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949. by
Benny
Morris: ISBN # 0-521-33028-9)
Only about 5 percent of the present day Jews came from Palestine,
whereas 95 percent are Khazars.
"...I know the blasphemy of them WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS,
and are not, BUT ARE THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN." (Revelation
2:9, 3:9)
PETITION TO WORLD LEADERS
We, the undersigned want justice, and have the appalling death toll of
Zionist aggression, oppression, occupation and colonialism in the Middle
East declared a "Crime against Humanity" which must be punished. We
want human rights respected, occupation and confiscation of land made
illegal, and the appalling conditions imposed on occupied civilian
populations lifted.
We want an International Court with power to resolve territorial
disputes established NOW, so that the dispossessed and ethnically
cleansed can sue for redress, instead of having to draw scant
attention to their plight by needing to blow themselves up in the
presence of their ruthless enemies.
Any government conducting or supporting colonialism or other
human rights abuses, must be declared a rogue state and their leaders
and perpetrators must face criminal charges. Supporting, encouraging
or financing human and civil rights abusers must be considered a hate
crime.
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21 Dec 2003 09:01:12 PM |
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There is hope for Jews, yet, as long as there are brave people like
this dozen!
Reservists From Elite Unit Refuse to Serve in West Bank, Gaza
By Mark Lavie Associated Press Writer
Published: Dec 21, 2003
JERUSALEM (AP) - About a dozen reservists from the Israeli army's top
commando unit declared Sunday they would no longer serve in the West
Bank and Gaza Strip, reflecting growing unease with Israel's
hard-fisted policy in the Palestinian areas.
Thirteen reservists, including three officers, from "Sayeret Matkal"
made their declaration in a letter to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon,
according to Israeli media.
"We cannot continue to stand silent," they wrote, charging that
Israeli military activities in the West Bank and Gaza Strip are
depriving "millions of Palestinians of human rights" and endangering
"the fate of Israel as a democratic, Zionist and Jewish country."
"Sayeret Matkal" is the top commando unit in the Israeli military and
its most prestigious. Ex-Prime Minister Ehud Barak was once its
commander, and another former premier, Benjamin Netanyahu, also served
in the force, known for daring operations outside Israel's borders.
Its soldiers rarely serve in the Palestinian areas.
Sharon's office had no immediate comment. A military spokesman
released a one-sentence statement criticizing the soldiers for "using
their uniforms and the name of the unit where they serve as a lever
for publicizing their political views." The military would not respond
to a question of how many reservists serve in the "Sayeret Matkal."
The 13 signatories represent a tiny fraction of the unit, Channel 10
TV said. Its military reporter, Yinon Magal, complained that
reservists from both units were "taking the name of their unit in
vain."
More than three years of Palestinian-Israeli violence has stretched
nerves thin among Israelis and further fractured the consensus over
the military, once the unquestioned pinnacle of Israeli society.
A bitter response came from Effie Eitam, a general in the reserves and
head of the pro-settlement National Religious Party. He said the
letter "shows a breaking point in the Israeli society, and without
recognizing the historic and moral underpinning of our right to the
Land of Israel, the wave of refusal will continue and may even grow."
"Those who signed are not worthy of being called soldiers," he said.
Support for the armed forces partly unraveled during Israel's long
guerrilla war in Lebanon, which ended with a unilateral pullout in May
2000 as Israeli casualties mounted.
The unrelenting violence in the West Bank and Gaza, punctuated with
bloody Palestinian attacks, including suicide bombings, inside Israel
has led Israel's government to order its forces to retake large parts
of the West Bank handed over to Palestinian control under interim
peace accords.
Explaining that it needed to keep Palestinian attackers at bay, the
military set up hundreds of roadblocks and declared closures and
curfews all over the West Bank, decimating the Palestinian economy and
severely harming the society.
Palestinians demand that Israel withdraw from all the West Bank and
Gaza, where they want to create a state.
In September, 27 reserve and retired pilots wrote a similar letter,
refusing to take part in air strikes in the West Bank and Gaza.
Several hundred Israeli soldiers have refused to serve in the
Palestinian territories and have been sentenced to prison terms.
Others have quietly worked out alternate service with their units.
The letters from the commandos and pilots are especially noteworthy,
however, because those selected for the units are considered Israel's
finest.
An outcry followed the pilots' letter, and condemnation was
widespread. Air Force commander Maj. Gen. Dan Halutz grounded all 27
but reinstated a few who retracted their signatures.
However, Zehava Galon of the dovish Meretz Party praised the signers.
"Now (the government) cannot obscure the fact that the military is
operating illegally in the territories," she said.
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--
Some Qur'an quotes: 5:20 qaala muusaa 5:21 "yaa qawmi ´dkhuluu ´l-'arDa
´l-muqaddasata ´llatii kataba ´llaahu lakum" 17:104 waqulnaa ... libanii
'israa'iila "´skunuu ´l-'arDa" || In English: Moses said, "My people,
go into the Holy Land which God has assigned to you!" And we said to the
Children of Israel, "Inhabit the land!"
http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/\
Nothing wrong with that. We invite people to come to North America and
many other countries, to "inhabit the land", but not to murder the owners in
order to get it free.
--
Pastor Frank
(Holocaust of the entire native population of "the promised land" and
the continuing colonial brutality against Palestinian natives)
Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
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You're a boringly monotonously tedious one-trick pony (nothing more
than a broken record endlessly mechanically mindlessly repeating
itself), phoney "Pastor" Frank!
--
Some Qur'an quotes: 5:20 qaala muusaa 5:21 "yaa qawmi ´dkhuluu ´l-'arDa
´l-muqaddasata ´llatii kataba ´llaahu lakum" 17:104 waqulnaa ... libanii
'israa'iila "´skunuu ´l-'arDa" || In English: Moses said, "My people,
go into the Holy Land which God has assigned to you!" And we said to the
Children of Israel, "Inhabit the land!" http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
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21 Dec 2003 05:41:52 AM |
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"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
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You're a boringly monotonously tedious one-trick pony (nothing more
than a broken record endlessly mechanically mindlessly repeating
itself), phoney "Pastor" Frank!
Some Qur'an quotes: 5:20 qaala muusaa 5:21 "yaa qawmi ´dkhuluu ´l-'arDa
´l-muqaddasata ´llatii kataba ´llaahu lakum" 17:104 waqulnaa ... libanii
'israa'iila "´skunuu ´l-'arDa" || In English: Moses said, "My people,
go into the Holy Land which God has assigned to you!" And we said to the
Children of Israel, "Inhabit the land!" http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
What are you but a right wing extremist, caring nothing about human and
civil rights, one of whom Hitler would have been proud?
You will note in your quote, the absence of any dispensation to offend
against God's commandments to covet other people's property, and kill. It
speaks of obtaining the land peacefully and legally, as is expected of
immigrants the world over, not kill "everything that breatheth" in the
entire country.
It looks like Hebrews invented holocausts, and Jews have been subjected
to them ever since. You want to join them?
--
Pastor Frank
(Holocaust of the entire native population of "the promised land" and
the continuing colonial brutality against Palestinian natives)
Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
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21 Dec 2003 01:42:52 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
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You're a boringly monotonously tedious one-trick pony (nothing more
than a broken record endlessly mechanically mindlessly repeating
itself), phoney "Pastor" Frank!
Some Qur'an quotes: 5:20 qaala muusaa 5:21 "yaa qawmi ´dkhuluu
´l-'arDa
´l-muqaddasata ´llatii kataba ´llaahu lakum" 17:104 waqulnaa ...
libanii
'israa'iila "´skunuu ´l-'arDa" || In English: Moses said, "My
people,
go into the Holy Land which God has assigned to you!" And we said to
the
Children of Israel, "Inhabit the land!"
http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
What are you but a right wing extremist, caring nothing about human
and
civil rights, one of whom Hitler would have been proud?
You will note in your quote, the absence of any dispensation to offend
against God's commandments to covet other people's property, and kill. It
speaks of obtaining the land peacefully and legally, as is expected of
immigrants the world over, not kill "everything that breatheth" in the
entire country.
It looks like Hebrews invented holocausts, and Jews have been
subjected
to them ever since. You want to join them?
--
Pastor Frank
Strange how you, Pastor Frank, can repeatedly lie with apparent unconcern,
and accuse others of breaking "God's commandments." How is anyone's else's
conduct involving "to covet other people's property" any more wrong and
sinful that you personally, repeatedly bearing false witness?
(Holocaust of the entire native population of "the promised land" and
the continuing colonial brutality against Palestinian natives)
Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the
Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
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18 Dec 2003 12:58:38 PM |
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On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:48:35 -0000, "Yas"
<spam@127.0.0.1> spake thusly:
"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
news:3FE1DCFC.569B9FE3@io.com...
"Yas" <spam@127.0.0.1> wrote:
Example of israel's systematic Terrorism towards the Palestinian
people that started long before the Intifada, long before Al Qaeda.
-------- In April 2002
How is April 2002 "long before" the current phoney pseudo-Intifada
(self-indulgent violence binge), and "long before Al Qaeda"?? I think
you need to look at a calendar, Yassie-baby!
There are countless examples israeli terrorism dating right back to early
days of this "state". Of course plenty zionists terrorism in Palestine
before that. I just happned to mention a more recent example that people may
know this is still going on in their life time!!
And where do we find this, "Palestine State", before
1967, when Israel went to the West Bank?
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
Part of the message of salvation, is the Creation.
Believing in the Creator. When Paul preached to
those worshipping nature and said... "turn from
these vanities unto the living God, which made
heaven and earth and the sea and all things that
are therein:" - Acts 14:15 Paul believed it too.
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19 Dec 2003 09:45:02 AM |
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Yas wrote:
"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
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"Yas" <spam@127.0.0.1> wrote:
Example of israel's systematic Terrorism towards the Palestinian
people that started long before the Intifada, long before Al
Qaeda. -------- In April 2002
How is April 2002 "long before" the current phoney pseudo-Intifada
(self-indulgent violence binge), and "long before Al Qaeda"??
There are countless examples israeli terrorism dating right back to
early days of this "state".
I think you need to distinguish between terrorism in its most
meaningful sense (i.e. intentionally seeking to hurt or kill civilians
as the main goal of an operation, without achieving any legitimate
military purpose) versus normal military tactics (in which some
civilians may be harmed as an unwanted and sometimes unavoidable
side-effect of an operation which has a legitimate military goal
according to the international law of war). If you use "terrorism"
according to this meaningful definition -- rather than as a mere
random propaganda epithet -- then inevitably it is the Arabs who have
a near-monopoly on terrrorism in the Arab-Israeli conflict (with the
exception of a rather small number of rogue lone wolves such as Baruch
Goldstein).
Can you honestly sit there and tell me that destroying Palestinian
Cultural Ministry, vandalising Palestinian children's work, smearing
their fowl excrement on the walls and on office equipment amounts to
"Professional military conduct"??
That's individual Israeli soldiers taking an opportunity to express
their contempt for Palestinians _after_ the Palestinians made it clear
that they collectvely support terroristic atrocities such as the
Sbarro pizzeria bombing (which was made the subject of an
commemorative "exhibition" glorifying it, at an-Najah University in
Nablus in 2001, complete with fake blood and fake Jewish bodies) --
see http://www.gamla.org.il/english/feature/sbarro.htm
http://www.chretiens-et-juifs.org/article.php?voir%5B%5D=635&voir%5B%5D=4820
etc. etc. ad nauseam magnam.
The April 2002 vandalism was unpleasant, but it wasn't terrorism, it
wasn't an organized and official act of the Israeli army, and Israelis
are not proud of it -- while for some reason, the Palestinians _are_
actually proud of their vile loathesome despicable immoral criminal
nihilistic suicide-terrorism attacks, which have no goal and achieve
nothing, except to kill civilians for the sole and exclusive purpose
of killing civilians, and which are human-rights violations and
war crimes under international law, as you can read in detail at the
web-sites of the neutral human rights groups at URLs such as
http://www.hrw.org/press/2002/11/isrl-pa1101.htm and
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/engMDE020032002!Open
Well I agree with you there, the Palestinian side on the surface
would seem to be more terroristic. But really what choice do they
have???
They have the choice to refrain from engaging in intentionally and
deliberately immoral behavior and flaunting and glorying in its
blatant raw naked immorality. (That's not necessarily the way to gain
friends and influence people in your favor.) Really, terrorism has
benefitted the Palestinians only during one year, 1968, when it
succeeded in getting the Palestinians on the international political
map as being a separate force (rather than disconnected refugees under
the patronage of various different Arab states). In every year other
than 1968, the Palestinians have ended up hurting themselves more than
helping themselves through their use and advocacy of terrorism -- and
that's true of 2003, and has every indication of being true of 2004.
It's a simple political fact in this country (whether you like it
or not) that the U.S. government will be extremely reluctant to
place strong effective pressure on Israel as long as the
Palestinian authorities are not making any serious effort to crack
down against such terrorism (but are in fact actively encouraging
the aforementioned repellent little Cult of Death-Worship and Child
Sacrifice which "honors" vile loathesome despicable immoral
suicide-bomber terrorist criminals).
Well loosely translated, as long as the zionists continue to pull
the strings in EVERY corridor of power in America,
Blaming everything on the "Zionist conspiracy" sure does have the
effect of absolving Arabs from all blame, and has the effect that
Arabs don't need to self-critically examine their own actions and
take reponsibility for the results of their own behavior, doesn't
it now?
As I've said a number of times before in these groups, Israel hasn't
actually had all that many propaganda successes concerning specific
events over the years (on the contrary, Israel has suffered quite a
number of propaganda setbacks connected with specific events -- most
prominently the events of 1956 and 1982, and to a lesser degree on
several other occasions). But one area where Israel has been highly
successful in connecting with the U.S. public, is in giving the
general impression that the Israelis are "like us" or "like Americans"
in their values of democracy and political freedom, their desires to
work hard to build up a successful society and to live with 2.5 kids
in peace and prosperity, etc. etc. By contrast, the great Arab
failure with respect to opinion in the United States is that the Arabs
have conspicuously failed in convincing inhabitants of the U.S. that
individual Arabs are "like us", or share American habits or values,
etc. -- the basic American impression of Arabs is of a people who
haven't achieved any real accomplishments of their own that Americans
would respect (such as building up strong economies, advanced
technologies, progressive societies, or political democracies), and
yet seem to be eager to tear down and destroy the accomplishments that
others have achieved. Every time that success on this propaganda
front has ever seemed remotely within reach, along comes another
external event which blows away any impression of commonality between
Arabs and Americans, in the minds of average Americans -- Sept. 11th
is just yet another in a long line of such events which have alienated
U.S. public opinion.
The Palestinians would certainly have much more support in the United
States today if they hadn't taken to indulging themselves in a
violence binge of loathesome vile despicable nihilistic immoral
suicide terrorism crimes -- which achieve nothing and have no goal
other than to kill civilians for the sole and exclusive purpose of
killing civilians. That's certainly not the way to gain political
support for themselves in the USA! Frankly, since 9/11 most Americans
see little real moral difference between Osama bin Ladin's suicide
terrorists and Yasser bin Arafat's suicide terrorists.
--
لا إله لهم
إلا الموت،
«حماس» رسول
الموت (The death-worshipping cult)
Murderers are not martyrs! http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
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21 Dec 2003 05:41:42 AM |
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"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
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The Palestinians would certainly have much more support in the United
States today if they hadn't taken to indulging themselves in a
violence binge of loathesome vile despicable nihilistic immoral
suicide terrorism crimes -- which achieve nothing and have no goal
other than to kill civilians for the sole and exclusive purpose of
killing civilians. That's certainly not the way to gain political
support for themselves in the USA! Frankly, since 9/11 most Americans
see little real moral difference between Osama bin Ladin's suicide
terrorists and Yasser bin Arafat's suicide terrorists.
The Palestinians have been more than patiently waiting for over half a
century to get their land back or compensation. Neither has been offered,
though Israel has been the recipient of the largest amount of foreign aid in
the world and still is, getting $15 million of American taxpayer's money
every day.
There is a point in time, where even the most patient know, that neither
Israel, nor the USA is not going to do anything for them, EVER, and time has
run out.
Suicide bombers know one fact, that anyone not willing to fight for
and/or die for his country doesn't deserve a country. Such people deserve at
most a rocky reservation in the desert, like the American Indians.
--
Pastor Frank
Famous Zionist Quote (back when the Zionists were really cocky):
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not
even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because
those Arab villages were destroyed and don't exist any longer, nor do the
geography books which showed them, for they were destroyed also and replaced
with Israeli geography books showing only Israeli names.
Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta;
Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushu'a in the place of
Tal al-Shuman. There is not one single place built in this country that did
not have a former Arab Population."
--Moshe Dayan, Address to the Technion, Haifa (as quoted in
Ha'aretz, 4 April 1969) http://www.birzeit.edu/crdps/village@.html
http://www.jerusalemites.org/crimes/destroyed_villages/list.htm
Conservative observers state, that Israel was built on the bones of at
least two million Palestinians. By December 1948, 418 Arab villages had been
destroyed, and the United Nations Relief and Works Agency registers 726,000
Palestinian refugees. Walter Eytan, Director-General of Israel's Foreign
Ministry, accepts this figure as meticulous, and even suggests that the
number was closer to 800,000. In Lydda alone Zionist terrorists murdered
50,000 Palestinians, men, women and children, both Muslim and Christian.
Only about 5 percent of the present day Jews came from Palestine,
whereas 95 percent are Khazars.
"...I know the blasphemy of them WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS,
and are not, BUT ARE THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN." (Revelation
2:9, 3:9)
PETITION TO WORLD LEADERS
We, the undersigned want justice, and have the appalling death toll of
Zionist aggression, oppression, occupation and colonialism in the Middle
East declared a "Crime against Humanity" which must be punished. We
want human rights respected, occupation and confiscation of land made
illegal, and the appalling conditions imposed on occupied civilian
populations lifted.
We want an International Court with power to resolve territorial
disputes established NOW, so that the dispossessed and ethnically
cleansed can sue for redress, instead of having to draw scant
attention to their plight by needing to blow themselves up in the
presence of their ruthless enemies.
Any government conducting or supporting colonialism or other
human rights abuses, must be declared a rogue state and their leaders
and perpetrators must face criminal charges. Supporting, encouraging
or financing human and civil rights abusers must be considered a hate crime.
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21 Dec 2003 03:37:30 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote:
"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
news:3FE31CFE.45F9B54@io.com...
Yas wrote:
"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
news:3FE1DCFC.569B9FE3@io.com...
the Palestinians made it clear that they collectively support
terroristic atrocities such as the Sbarro pizzeria bombing (which
was made the subject of an commemorative "exhibition" glorifying
it, at an-Najah University in Nablus in 2001, complete with fake
blood and fake Jewish bodies) -- see
http://www.gamla.org.il/english/feature/sbarro.htm
http://www.chretiens-et-juifs.org/article.php?voir%5B%5D=635&voir%5B%5D=4820
etc. etc. ad nauseam magnam. For some reason, the Palestinians
_are_ actually proud of their vile loathesome despicable immoral
criminal nihilistic suicide-terrorism attacks, which have no goal
and achieve nothing, except to kill civilians for the sole and
exclusive purpose of killing civilians, and which are human-rights
violations and war crimes under international law, as you can read
in detail at the web-sites of the neutral human rights groups at
URLs such as http://www.hrw.org/press/2002/11/isrl-pa1101.htm and
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/engMDE020032002!Open Really,
terrorism has benefitted the Palestinians only during one year,
1968, when it succeeded in getting the Palestinians on the
international political map as being a separate force (rather than
disconnected refugees under the patronage of various different Arab
states). In every year other than 1968, the Palestinians have
ended up hurting themselves more than helping themselves through
their use and advocacy of terrorism.
It's a simple political fact in this country (whether you like it
or not) that the U.S. government will be extremely reluctant to
place strong effective pressure on Israel as long as the
Palestinian authorities are not making any serious effort to
crack down against such terrorism (but are in fact actively
encouraging the aforementioned repellent little Cult of
Death-Worship and Child Sacrifice which "honors" vile loathesome
despicable immoral suicide-bomber terrorist criminals).
Well loosely translated, as long as the zionists continue to pull
the strings in EVERY corridor of power in America,
Blaming everything on the "Zionist conspiracy" sure does have the
effect of absolving Arabs from all blame, and so would mean that
that Arabs don't need to self-critically examine their own actions
and take reponsibility for the results of their own behavior,
doesn't it now?
As I've said a number of times before in these groups, Israel
hasn't actually had all that many propaganda successes concerning
specific events over the years (on the contrary, Israel has
suffered quite a number of propaganda setbacks connected with
specific events -- most prominently the events of 1956 and 1982,
and to a lesser degree on several other occasions). But one area
where Israel has been highly successful in connecting with the
U.S. public, is in giving the general impression that the Israelis
are "like us" or "like Americans" in their values of democracy and
political freedom, their desires to work hard to build up a
successful society and to live with 2.5 kids in peace and
prosperity, etc. etc. By contrast, the great Arab failure with
respect to opinion in the United States is that the Arabs have
conspicuously failed in convincing inhabitants of the U.S. that
individual Arabs are "like us", or share American habits or values,
etc. -- the basic American impression of Arabs is of a people who
haven't achieved any real accomplishments of their own that
Americans would respect (such as building up strong economies,
advanced technologies, progressive societies, or political
democracies), and yet seem to be eager to tear down and destroy the
accomplishments that others have achieved. Every time that success
on this propaganda front has ever seemed remotely within reach,
along comes another external event which blows away any impression
of commonality between Arabs and Americans, in the minds of average
Americans -- Sept. 11th is just yet another in a long line of such
events which have alienated U.S. public opinion.
The Palestinians would certainly have much more support in the
United States today if they hadn't taken to indulging themselves in
a violence binge of loathesome vile despicable nihilistic immoral
suicide terrorism crimes -- which achieve nothing and have no goal
other than to kill civilians for the sole and exclusive purpose of
killing civilians. That's certainly not the way to gain political
support for themselves in the USA! Frankly, since 9/11 most
Americans see little real moral difference between Osama bin
Ladin's suicide terrorists and Yasser bin Arafat's suicide
terrorists.
The Palestinians have been more than patiently waiting for over half
a century to get their land back or compensation.
"Patiently waiting" my left butt-cheek! For the first 20 years after
1948, they were _impatiently_ waiting for the Arab armies to destroy
and conquer Israel, and "throw the Jews into the sea" (to quote the
first chairman of the PLO, the ever-glorious Ahmad Shuqairi). For the
following 25 years, they were trying to help along the process of the
genocidal extirpation and obliteration of Israel by means of vile
terrorism. Not to mention that they never would have become refugees
in the first place if they had just deigned to condescend to accept
the November 29th 1947 United Nations partition plan proposal (which
would have given them an ironclad international guarantee of a
sovereign independent Arab state that would have included much more
territory than the later 1949-1967 Gaza strip and West Bank -- i.e.
the combined pink and green areas on the map at URL
http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/#1947arabrjec ), rather than
vehemently and violently scorning and spurning the very concept of any
partition (as they did).
Furthermore, compensation could only be offered on the basis of a
peace settlement, and the Palestinians violently opposed any peace
settlement which would have left leave Israel in existence -- until
the dust started to settle on Desert Storm, and the Palestinian
leadership started to realize in 1990/1991 how shaky their position
had become in terms of Arab and international politics. And under
United Nations resolution 194 of 1949, "the refugees wishing to return
to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be
permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date" -- but the Arabs
never were willing to live in peace with their Israeli neighbors.
If the Arabs had been willing to settle for monetary compensation,
then they could have got plenty of money in 1950 -- but the Arabs were
more interested in destroying Israel than in receiving money, which is
why I don't feel too much pity for them in their pecuniarily
uncompensated condition.
--
SAUDIA OMNIS IN PARTES TRES DIVIDENDA EST! Free Arabia by
splitting the Saudi tyranny into its three natural parts:
Hejaz-alHarameyn, Nejd-Wahhabistan, and Gulf-Petrolia.
Murderers are not Martyrs! http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
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22 Dec 2003 11:24:09 PM |
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"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
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The Palestinians have been more than patiently waiting for over half
a century to get their land back or compensation.
"Patiently waiting" my left butt-cheek! For the first 20 years after
1948, they were _impatiently_ waiting for the Arab armies to destroy
and conquer Israel, and "throw the Jews into the sea" (to quote the
first chairman of the PLO, the ever-glorious Ahmad Shuqairi). For the
following 25 years, they were trying to help along the process of the
genocidal extirpation and obliteration of Israel by means of vile
terrorism.
Every occupied nation featuring large scale dispossession and expulsions
resorts to "vile terrorism", and so they should, or the bullies in this
world who want to take your property at the point of their "vile" guns would
always win.
You are indeed fortunate, that some people would rather die than give
up their property without a fight by ANY and ALL means at their very limited
disposal, or even you might be required to hit the road, as someone else
with a bigger gun than yours claims your property. As long as there is no
international court able to resolve landownership disputes and no guarantee
of fair compensation for confiscated property, people, including you, have
no choice but to fight back anyway they can at their oppressors.
The present rule is, if you are not willing to fight and die for your
country / land / property, you don't deserve any country / land / property
and should be killed or relegated to stony reservations in the desert, as
American Indians are. As long as Palestinians are fighting for their country
/ land/ property there is still hope for a fair settlement. As soon as they
give up, theirs will be nothing worth having at all, and we ALL lose, as
colonialist bullies the world over are emboldened by their success and your
own property becomes a target.
Considering your partiality, you will be asked to justify your bias, and
until you come up with an answer as to how the occupied and oppressed can
attain justice peacefully, you will be denied entry into the kingdom of
heaven, for no one prejudiced against others, who are also "created in the
image of God", can enter there. See the rules for Christians below
--
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Mt:7:2: For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and
with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
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"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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The Palestinians have been more than patiently waiting for over half
a century to get their land back or compensation.
"Patiently waiting" my left butt-cheek! For the first 20 years after
1948, they were _impatiently_ waiting for the Arab armies to destroy
and conquer Israel, and "throw the Jews into the sea" (to quote the
first chairman of the PLO, the ever-glorious Ahmad Shuqairi). For the
following 25 years, they were trying to help along the process of the
genocidal extirpation and obliteration of Israel by means of vile
terrorism.
Every occupied nation featuring large scale dispossession and
expulsions
resorts to "vile terrorism", and so they should, or the bullies in this
world who want to take your property at the point of their "vile" guns
would
always win.
You are indeed fortunate, that some people would rather die than give
up their property without a fight by ANY and ALL means at their very
limited
disposal, or even you might be required to hit the road, as someone else
with a bigger gun than yours claims your property. As long as there is no
international court able to resolve landownership disputes and no
guarantee
of fair compensation for confiscated property, people, including you, have
no choice but to fight back anyway they can at their oppressors.
The present rule is, if you are not willing to fight and die for your
country / land / property, you don't deserve any country / land /
property
and should be killed or relegated to stony reservations in the desert, as
American Indians are. As long as Palestinians are fighting for their
country
/ land/ property there is still hope for a fair settlement. As soon as
they
give up, theirs will be nothing worth having at all, and we ALL lose, as
colonialist bullies the world over are emboldened by their success and
your
own property becomes a target.
Considering your partiality, you will be asked to justify your bias,
and
until you come up with an answer as to how the occupied and oppressed can
attain justice peacefully, you will be denied entry into the kingdom of
heaven, for no one prejudiced against others, who are also "created in the
image of God", can enter there. See the rules for Christians below
--
Pastor Frank
"Pastor" Frank, if you did not have such a long track record of obfuscation,
disingenuousness, and bearing false witness, your arguments would carry much
more weight. In any case, your trite little essay contains several factual
errors. What "nation" do you refer to? Palestine has never been a "nation"
in modern time. It was a province of the Ottoman Empire, then a League of
Nations and later United Nation Mandate administered by the United Kingdom,
and then it was split into the nation of Israel and the other parts absorbed
by Jordan, Syria, and Egypt in 1948. It was only after Israel captured and
occupied the Gaza Strip (legally Egyptian pre-1967), the West Bank (legally
Jordanian pre-1967), and the Golan (legally Syrian pre-1967) that anyone
referred to "Palestinians." And you might recall the difficulties these
nations had with your "Palestinian" people. Remember "Black September,"
"Pastor" Frank? No, not the Arab terrorist Group, but the events of the
month these murderous thugs named themselves after. There is no "occupied
nation" involved here, "Pastor" Frank. Egypt and Jordan merely cut loose
small areas with too many people who are more trouble than they are worth to
their Arab "brothers." Strange how history eludes you, "Pastor" Frank . .
.. .
Jesus in Mt:7:2: For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and
with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
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" Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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The Palestinians have been more than patiently waiting for over half
a century to get their land back or compensation.
"Patiently waiting" my left butt-cheek! For the first 20 years after
1948, they were _impatiently_ waiting for the Arab armies to destroy
and conquer Israel, and "throw the Jews into the sea" (to quote the
first chairman of the PLO, the ever-glorious Ahmad Shuqairi). For the
following 25 years, they were trying to help along the process of the
genocidal extirpation and obliteration of Israel by means of vile
terrorism.
Every occupied nation featuring large scale dispossession and
expulsions
resorts to "vile terrorism", and so they should, or the bullies in this
world who want to take your property at the point of their "vile" guns
would
always win.
You are indeed fortunate, that some people would rather die than
give
up their property without a fight by ANY and ALL means at their very
limited
disposal, or even you might be required to hit the road, as someone else
with a bigger gun than yours claims your property. As long as there is
no
international court able to resolve landownership disputes and no
guarantee
of fair compensation for confiscated property, people, including you,
have
no choice but to fight back anyway they can at their oppressors.
The present rule is, if you are not willing to fight and die for
your
country / land / property, you don't deserve any country / land /
property
and should be killed or relegated to stony reservations in the desert,
as
American Indians are. As long as Palestinians are fighting for their
country
/ land/ property there is still hope for a fair settlement. As soon as
they
give up, theirs will be nothing worth having at all, and we ALL lose, as
colonialist bullies the world over are emboldened by their success and
your
own property becomes a target.
Considering your partiality, you will be asked to justify your bias,
and
until you come up with an answer as to how the occupied and oppressed
can
attain justice peacefully, you will be denied entry into the kingdom of
heaven, for no one prejudiced against others, who are also "created in
the
image of God", can enter there. See the rules for Christians below
--
Pastor Frank
"Pastor" Frank, if you did not have such a long track record of
obfuscation,
disingenuousness, and bearing false witness, your arguments would carry
much
more weight. In any case, your trite little essay contains several
factual
errors. What "nation" do you refer to? Palestine has never been a
"nation"
in modern time. It was a province of the Ottoman Empire, then a League of
Nations and later United Nation Mandate administered by the United
Kingdom,
and then it was split into the nation of Israel and the other parts
absorbed
by Jordan, Syria, and Egypt in 1948. It was only after Israel captured
and
occupied the Gaza Strip (legally Egyptian pre-1967), the West Bank
(legally
Jordanian pre-1967), and the Golan (legally Syrian pre-1967) that anyone
referred to "Palestinians." And you might recall the difficulties these
nations had with your "Palestinian" people. Remember "Black September,"
"Pastor" Frank? No, not the Arab terrorist Group, but the events of the
month these murderous thugs named themselves after. There is no "occupied
nation" involved here, "Pastor" Frank. Egypt and Jordan merely cut loose
small areas with too many people who are more trouble than they are worth
to
their Arab "brothers." Strange how history eludes you, "Pastor" Frank .
..
. .
Yes. Similar views were expressed by those seeking to get rid of the
Jews by numerous countries, including Germany.
Apart from justifying holocausts you haven't answered the question
posed, about how an occupied, dispossessed and brutalized people can obtain
justice PEACEFULLY. This question will dog you throughout eternity and you
and yours will not find peace till you come up with an acceptable answer.
--
Pastor Frank
(Holocaust of the entire native population of "the promised land" and
the continuing colonial brutality against Palestinian natives)
Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
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24 Dec 2003 08:36:28 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
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The Palestinians have been more than patiently waiting for over
half
a century to get their land back or compensation.
"Patiently waiting" my left butt-cheek! For the first 20 years
after
1948, they were _impatiently_ waiting for the Arab armies to destroy
and conquer Israel, and "throw the Jews into the sea" (to quote the
first chairman of the PLO, the ever-glorious Ahmad Shuqairi). For
the
following 25 years, they were trying to help along the process of
the
genocidal extirpation and obliteration of Israel by means of vile
terrorism.
Every occupied nation featuring large scale dispossession and
expulsions
resorts to "vile terrorism", and so they should, or the bullies in
this
world who want to take your property at the point of their "vile" guns
would
always win.
You are indeed fortunate, that some people would rather die than
give
up their property without a fight by ANY and ALL means at their very
limited
disposal, or even you might be required to hit the road, as someone
else
with a bigger gun than yours claims your property. As long as there is
no
international court able to resolve landownership disputes and no
guarantee
of fair compensation for confiscated property, people, including you,
have
no choice but to fight back anyway they can at their oppressors.
The present rule is, if you are not willing to fight and die for
your
country / land / property, you don't deserve any country / land /
property
and should be killed or relegated to stony reservations in the desert,
as
American Indians are. As long as Palestinians are fighting for their
country
/ land/ property there is still hope for a fair settlement. As soon as
they
give up, theirs will be nothing worth having at all, and we ALL lose,
as
colonialist bullies the world over are emboldened by their success and
your
own property becomes a target.
Considering your partiality, you will be asked to justify your
bias,
and
until you come up with an answer as to how the occupied and oppressed
can
attain justice peacefully, you will be denied entry into the kingdom
of
heaven, for no one prejudiced against others, who are also "created in
the
image of God", can enter there. See the rules for Christians below
--
Pastor Frank
"Pastor" Frank, if you did not have such a long track record of
obfuscation,
disingenuousness, and bearing false witness, your arguments would carry
much
more weight. In any case, your trite little essay contains several
factual
errors. What "nation" do you refer to? Palestine has never been a
"nation"
in modern time. It was a province of the Ottoman Empire, then a League
of
Nations and later United Nation Mandate administered by the United
Kingdom,
and then it was split into the nation of Israel and the other parts
absorbed
by Jordan, Syria, and Egypt in 1948. It was only after Israel captured
and
occupied the Gaza Strip (legally Egyptian pre-1967), the West Bank
(legally
Jordanian pre-1967), and the Golan (legally Syrian pre-1967) that anyone
referred to "Palestinians." And you might recall the difficulties
these
nations had with your "Palestinian" people. Remember "Black September,"
"Pastor" Frank? No, not the Arab terrorist Group, but the events of the
month these murderous thugs named themselves after. There is no
"occupied
nation" involved here, "Pastor" Frank. Egypt and Jordan merely cut
loose
small areas with too many people who are more trouble than they are
worth
to
their Arab "brothers." Strange how history eludes you, "Pastor" Frank
..
.
. .
Yes. Similar views were expressed by those seeking to get rid of the
Jews by numerous countries, including Germany.
Really? Strange, but I do not recall ever reading that the Nazis ever
referred to the events of September, 1969, in the Kingdom of Jordan, nor do
I recall the Nazis ever referring to invading Israel and killing or pushing
the Jews there into the sea. But then I have not read every book ever
published. Can you guide me to a German or Naiz source that discussed these
events? I anxiously await your sources. Thanks.
Apart from justifying holocausts you haven't answered the question
posed, about how an occupied, dispossessed and brutalized people can
obtain
justice PEACEFULLY. This question will dog you throughout eternity and you
and yours will not find peace till you come up with an acceptable answer.
Well, see, the first problem is that I have not justified any holocaust,
much less the Holocaust, which occured nowhere in the Middle East. I don't
know "how an occupied, dispossessed and brutalized people can obtain
justice PEACEFULLY." Apparently neither do some of the best minds in the
world, so I do not feel terribly inadequate concerning that personal
shortcoming of mine. Although Ghandi and King and Mandela do kind of strike
a chord . . . but then you never have been terribly impressed by facts, have
you "Pastor" Frank? Apparently your solution is to bomb pizza parlors and
school buses, or lob the odd mortar round or Katushya rocket at a grade
school. Can you imagine those nasty old Israelis objecting to your
"occupied, dispossessed and brutalized people' attempting to kill their
children? How crass . . . Might I be so bold as to suggest that is not
exactly the correct move in a peace process? Or are you a Maoist, "Pastor"
Frank? You remember, don't you? All power flows from the barrell of a gun,
or some such thing. Is that your slogan, "Pastor" Frank?
I sleep just fine, "Pastor" Frank, so kindly expend your concern on others.
Besides, none of this corrects your propensity for dishonesty, specifically
concerning your . . . exaggerated . . . and quite possibly willfully
dishonest numbers. And it doesn't make a tinker's damn whether you call me
a Nazi or one who denies the Holocaust or Arab hater or whatever epithet you
drag up.
--
Pastor Frank
(Holocaust of the entire native population of "the promised land" and
the continuing colonial brutality against Palestinian natives)
Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the
Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
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"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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Yes. Similar views were expressed by those seeking to get rid of the
Jews by numerous countries, including Germany.
Really? Strange, but I do not recall ever reading that the Nazis ever
referred to the events of September, 1969, in the Kingdom of Jordan, nor
do
I recall the Nazis ever referring to invading Israel and killing or
pushing
the Jews there into the sea. But then I have not read every book ever
published. Can you guide me to a German or Naiz source that discussed
these
events? I anxiously await your sources. Thanks.
That is why I said "similar views" not the SAME views. Cleansing the
land of child-abuser Jews, employing child slave labour, was a favourite
slogan and aim of Nazies. Hence your justification of Jews cleansing their
land of "terrorists" Palestinians.
Apart from justifying holocausts you haven't answered the question
posed, about how an occupied, dispossessed and brutalized people can
obtain
justice PEACEFULLY. This question will dog you throughout eternity and
you
and yours will not find peace till you come up with an acceptable
answer.
Well, see, the first problem is that I have not justified any holocaust,
much less the Holocaust, which occured nowhere in the Middle East. I
don't
know "how an occupied, dispossessed and brutalized people can obtain
justice PEACEFULLY." Apparently neither do some of the best minds in the
world, so I do not feel terribly inadequate concerning that personal
shortcoming of mine. Although Ghandi and King and Mandela do kind of
strike
a chord . . . but then you never have been terribly impressed by facts,
have
you "Pastor" Frank?
Only as much as you have any answers to human rights abuses, which you
admit you don't.
Apparently your solution is to bomb pizza parlors and
school buses, or lob the odd mortar round or Katushya rocket at a grade
school. Can you imagine those nasty old Israelis objecting to your
"occupied, dispossessed and brutalized people' attempting to kill their
children? How crass . . . Might I be so bold as to suggest that is not
exactly the correct move in a peace process?
Why not? Every guerrilia war in history employed those kinds of methods,
for that is all they COULD do to make their point. But then I bet you would
prefer the American free fire zones in Vietnam to Pizza Parlours, or our
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