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User:	"Glenn"
Date:	28 Jul 2007 05:39:42 PM
Object:	WILL THERE BE NEW REVELATIONS?

WILL THERE BE NEW REVELATIONS?
As to his covenant, that has been written in His blood, absolutely once
and for all... period.
If any man, woman, child or creature from another world suggests
otherwise, THOUGH he/she/it just walk on water they are cursed.
As to the comprehension or understanding of His already given Word or
Prophecy... I see that as not just possible, but likely, even assured.
James 1:5 et al, ad infinitum.
As to the events which must occur as fulfillment of His already Revealed
Plan, I see that as fulfillment of prophecy, and a certainty.
As to events as they may occur in conjunction with His already Revealed
Prophecy, I see that as a certainty.
Revelation 11:
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall
prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing
before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth,
and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in
this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of
their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to
smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
The two "witnesses will prophesy..." AKA,. They are prophets....
The two witnesses are identified as "the two olive trees, and the two
candlesticks..." meaning they are the Natural Olive Tree and the Wild
Olive Tree, or the Messianic Christians and the Gentile Christians...
That is, "these two witnesses" are not two individual persons, but are
two groups... two Congregations of His People, the Israel of God.
Brother, Sister, I fully expect, in the next few short years we will
again hear the voice of Prophecy... from God. Jesus Himself said, "You
will not see me again until you say, 'blessed is he who comes in the
name of the Lord..."" Mat 23:38. Any one who claims they come in the
name of the Lord will be able to prove it. And, we know how to know it
is from God.
Glenn
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User: "Andrew W"
Title: Re: WILL THERE BE NEW REVELATIONS?	29 Jul 2007 03:07:02 AM

"Glenn" <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote in message
news:f8ggjg01cmr@enews4.newsguy.com...

WILL THERE BE NEW REVELATIONS?

Yes. And here it is:-
Christianity has skewed off the path and into a paddock.
--
Andrew W.
Jesus said that we must search everywhere for the truth, that we must leave
no stone unturned.
How naive and foolish is the man who thinks he can get all the answers to
life from one convenient book. ~me
What we are told God and Jesus said, they did not say.
http://www.divinelove.org/volume1/Mission.htm
TABLE OF CONTENTS. Must read!
http://www.divinelove.org/revnt/Rev-TOC-title.htm
The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich
Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm
Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!
http://www.acim.org/
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
.

User: "Read The Bible"
Title: Re: WILL THERE BE NEW REVELATIONS?	29 Jul 2007 04:39:57 AM

Christians must beware of anyone, even an "angel",
who comes preaching a "new revelation" that
contradicts the gospel of Jesus Christ: "Though we,
or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel
unto you than that which we have preached unto you,
let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now
again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you
than that ye have received, let him be accursed"
(Galatians 1:8-9).
"Brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I
preached unto you, which also ye have received, and
wherein ye stand; by which also ye are saved, if ye
keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye
have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first
of all that which I also received, how that Christ
died for our sins according to the scriptures; and
that he was buried, and that he rose again the third
day" (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).
It's crucial that Christians stay in the scriptures,
and not be drawn away into believing "new
revelations" from men inspired by demons: "If ye
continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed"
(John 8:31). "Preach the word; be instant in season,
out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all
longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come
when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after
their own lusts shall they heap to themselves
teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn
away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned
unto fables" (2 Timothy 4:2-4). "The Spirit speaketh
expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart
from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and
doctrines of devils" (1 Timothy 4:1).
Deceiving demons speaking through "apostles" of a
"new revelation" are not going to present themselves
to people as evil demons who want to drag people down
to hell. No, they are going to present themselves as
"loving, non-judgmental beings of light, who only
want to show all of mankind its true, spiritual
destiny".
"I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled
Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be
corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For
if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we
have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit,
which ye have not received, or another gospel, which
ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him...
-For such are false apostles, deceitful workers,
transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into
an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if
his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of
righteousness; whose end shall be according to their
works" (2 Corinthians 11:3-4,13-15).
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in
sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening
wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men
gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even
so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a
corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree
cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt
tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth
not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the
fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them"
(Matthew 7:15-20).
And don't think that the working of miracles is
necessarily "good fruit" which proves that a
"prophet" is from God, for Satan and his demons can
work miracles: "There shall arise false Christs, and
false prophets, and shall shew great signs and
wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they
shall deceive the very elect" (Matthew 24:24); "The
working of Satan with all power and signs and lying
wonders" (2 Thessalonians 2:9); "The spirits of
devils, working miracles" (Revelation 16:14).
Christians must be fully awake, and aware that the
entire unbelieving world will soon be deceived by
miracles into the worship of Satan the dragon and
the Antichrist and his image: "And they worshipped
the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they
worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the
beast? who is able to make war with him? And there
was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and
blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue
forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in
blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his
tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was
given unto him to make war with the saints, and to
overcome them; and power was given him over all
kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
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And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him,
whose names are not written in the book of life of
the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If
any man have an ear, let him hear. He that leadeth
into captivity shall go into captivity: he that
killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword.
Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
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And I beheld another beast coming up out of the
earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake
as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the
first beast before him, and causeth the earth and
them which dwell therein to worship the first beast,
whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great
wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven
on the earth in the sight of men, and deceiveth them
that dwell on the earth by the means of those
miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the
beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that
they should make an image to the beast, which had the
wound by a sword, and did live.
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And he had power to give life unto the image of the
beast, that the image of the beast should both speak,
and cause that as many as would not worship the image
of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all,
both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond,
to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their
foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he
that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the
number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath
understanding count the number of the beast: for it
is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred
threescore and six" (Revelation 13:4-18).
"The false prophet that wrought miracles before him,
with which he deceived them that had received the
mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his
image" (Revelation 19:20).
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User: "Glenn"
Title: Re: WILL THERE BE NEW REVELATIONS?	29 Jul 2007 08:58:54 AM

Read The Bible wrote:

The "doctrine of the rapture" was not taught by Jesus to His Apostles,
was not taught by the Apostles to the First Century Church, was not
recorded in the pages of the New Testament.
The doctrine of the "Millennial reign of Christ on this earth" was not
taught by Jesus to His Apostles, was not taught by the Apostles to the
First Century Church, was not recorded in the pages of the New Testament.
The doctrine of the trinity was not taught by Jesus to His Apostles, was
not taught by the Apostles to the First Century Church, was not recorded
in the pages of the New Testament.
The doctrine of the Immaculate conception was not taught by Jesus to His
Apostles, was not taught by the Apostles to the First Century Church,
was not recorded in the pages of the New Testament.
The doctrine of Transubstantiation was not taught by Jesus to His
Apostles, was not taught by the Apostles to the First Century Church,
was not recorded in the pages of the New Testament.
The Deification and worship of Mary was not taught by Jesus to His
Apostles, was not taught by the Apostles to the First Century Church,
was not recorded in the pages of the New Testament.
These (and some others) are "other gospel" and in some way each of these
contradict the Word of God, therefore they are Heresy.
Glenn
His witness
--
http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
Note, the site at xprt.net will close 1Sept07 and open as
www.thelittlebookopened.org [Key words:] "The Little Book";
Glenn McClary, servitum, gaedhealic, oldwetdog
.

User: "Fred A Stover"
Title: Re: WILL THERE BE NEW REVELATIONS?	29 Jul 2007 10:25:13 AM

"Glenn" <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote in message
news:f8i6ev01plh@enews2.newsguy.com...

Read The Bible wrote:

The "doctrine of the rapture" was not taught by Jesus to His Apostles,
was not taught by the Apostles to the First Century Church, was not
recorded in the pages of the New Testament.

Wrong.
John 14:2-3
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have
told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and prepare a
place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I
am, there ye may be also.

The doctrine of the "Millennial reign of Christ on this earth" was not
taught by Jesus to His Apostles, was not taught by the Apostles to the
First Century Church, was not recorded in the pages of the New Testament.

Wrong.
Rev. 19:11-19
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon
him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and
make war. [12] His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many
crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. [13]
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called
The Word of God. [14] And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon
white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. [15] And out of his
mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he
shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the
fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. [16] And he hath on his vesture and on
his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
[17] And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud
voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and
gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; [18] That ye
may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of
mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the
flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. [19] And I saw
the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together
to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Rev. 20:1-6
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the
bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. [2] And he laid hold on the
dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a
thousand years, [3] And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up,
and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till
the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a
little season. [4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment
was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the
witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the
beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their
foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a
thousand years. [5] But the rest of the dead lived not again until the
thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. [6] Blessed
and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second
death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and
shall reign with him a thousand years.
2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which
the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt
with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be
burned up.

The doctrine of the trinity was not taught by Jesus to His Apostles, was
not taught by the Apostles to the First Century Church, was not recorded
in the pages of the New Testament.

Gen 1:1
In the beginning God [Elohim: plural form of El, God] created [bara`:
third person singular verb form] the heaven and the earth.
Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of
the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

The doctrine of the Immaculate conception was not taught by Jesus to His
Apostles, was not taught by the Apostles to the First Century Church,
was not recorded in the pages of the New Testament.

Wrong. His Spirit says in Luke and Matthew:
Luke 1:26-35
And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city
of Galilee, named Nazareth, [27] To a virgin espoused to a man whose name
was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. [28] And
the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured,
the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. [29] And when she saw
him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of
salutation this should be. [30] And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary:
for thou hast found favour with God. [31] And, behold, thou shalt conceive
in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus. [32] He
shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God
shall give unto him the throne of his father David: [33] And he shall reign
over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
[34] Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a
man? [35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall
come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee:
therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called
the Son of God.
Matthew 1:20-25
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord
appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to
take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the
Holy Ghost. [21] And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his
name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins. [22] Now all this
was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the
prophet, saying, [23] Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring
forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted
is, God with us. [24] Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel
of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: [25] And knew her
not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name
Jesus.

The doctrine of Transubstantiation was not taught by Jesus to His
Apostles, was not taught by the Apostles to the First Century Church,
was not recorded in the pages of the New Testament.

The Deification and worship of Mary was not taught by Jesus to His
Apostles, was not taught by the Apostles to the First Century Church,
was not recorded in the pages of the New Testament.

These (and some others) are "other gospel" and in some way each of these
contradict the Word of God, therefore they are Heresy.

His,
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Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)
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Preparing the way of the Lord.
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User: "Read The Bible"
Title: Re: WILL THERE BE NEW REVELATIONS?	30 Jul 2007 07:37:05 AM

Glenn said on July 29, 6:58 am:
The "doctrine of the rapture" was not taught by
Jesus to His Apostles, was not taught by the
Apostles to the First Century Church, was not
recorded in the pages of the New Testament.

The word "rapture" is related to the Latin word
"rapiemur", which was the Latin Vulgate translation
of the Greek word translated into English as "caught
up". The church will be "caught up" into the clouds
at the second coming of Jesus Christ of Nazareth;
"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with
a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with
the trump of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise
first: then we which are alive and remain shall be
caught up [rapiemur, raptured] together with them in
the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall
we ever be with the Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).
The church's being "caught up together" to Jesus at
His second coming is the same as the church's being
"gathered together" to Jesus at His second coming;
"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our
Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto
him" (2 Thessalonians 2:1); "After that
tribulation... then shall they see the Son of man
coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And
then shall he send his angels, and shall gather
together his elect from the four winds, from the
uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of
heaven" (Mark 13:24,26-27).
The church's being "gathered together" to Jesus at
His second coming is the same as the church's being
"received unto" Jesus at His second coming: "I will
come again, and receive you unto myself" (John 14:3).

Glenn said:
The doctrine of the "Millennial reign of Christ on
this earth" was not taught by Jesus to His
Apostles, was not taught by the Apostles to the
First Century Church, was not recorded in the pages
of the New Testament.

"Millennial" means of or relating to a "millennium",
and "millennium" literally means "thousand". When
Biblical Christians refer to the "Millennial reign of
Christ on this earth" they are simply referring to
the "thousand-year" reign of Christ on this earth;
"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and
judgment was given unto them; and I saw the souls of
them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and
for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the
beast, neither his image, neither had received his
mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and
they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the
thousand years were finished. This is the first
resurrection.
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Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first
resurrection: on such the second death hath no power,
but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and
shall reign with him a thousand years" (Revelation
20:4-6); "And hast made us unto our God kings and
priests: and we shall reign on the earth" (Revelation
5:10). "He that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto
the end, to him will I give power over the nations;
and he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the
vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers;
even as I received of my Father. And I will give him
the morning star. He that hath an ear, let him hear
what the Spirit saith unto the churches" (Revelation
2:26-29).

Glenn said:
The doctrine of the trinity was not taught by Jesus
to His Apostles, was not taught by the Apostles to
the First Century Church, was not recorded in the
pages of the New Testament.

The doctrine of the Trinity means the doctrine that
Jesus and the Holy Spirit are One God with the
-Father: "I and my Father are one" (John 10:30); "The
Word was God... And the Word was made flesh, and
dwelt among us" (John 1:1,14); "God was manifest in
the flesh" (1 Timothy 3:16); "Christ Jesus: Who,
being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to
be equal with God: but made himself of no reputation,
and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made
in the likeness of men" (Philippians 2:5-7); "And
Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my
God" (John 20:28); "Unto the Son he saith, Thy
throne, O God, is for ever and ever" (Hebrews 1:8);
"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious
appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus
Christ" (Titus 2:13). "It is not ye that speak, but
the Spirit of your Father" (Matthew 10:20); "It is
not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost" (Mark 13:11).
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing
them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and
of the Holy Ghost" (Matthew 28:19).

Glenn said:
The doctrine of the Immaculate conception was not
taught by Jesus to His Apostles, was not taught by
the Apostles to the First Century Church, was not
recorded in the pages of the New Testament.

The Roman Catholic doctrine of the Immaculate
Conception is the doctrine that because Jesus had no
sin, Mary His mother must have been conceived and
preserved throughout her life without any taint of
"Original Sin" to pass on to her son. Whether it is
true or not, the doctrine of the Immaculate
Conception isn't expressly taught in the Bible.

Glenn said:
The doctrine of Transubstantiation was not taught
by Jesus to His Apostles, was not taught by the
Apostles to the First Century Church, was not
recorded in the pages of the New Testament.

The doctrine of transubstantiation is the Roman
Catholic doctrine that the real, inner substance of
the bread and wine of communion are changed into
the physical flesh and blood of Jesus, while the
outer appearance of the bread and wine remain
unchanged. The doctrine of transubstantiation isn't
taught in the Bible; for after Jesus said "Except ye
eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood,
ye have no life in you" (John 6:53), He explained
that "The flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I
speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life"
(John 6:63). So we aren't to understand the bread and
wine of communion as physically being Jesus' flesh
and blood. But this doesn't mean that the bread and
wine are merely symbolic, for we must still discern
them to truly be His flesh and blood in some
spiritual manner; we must still "discern the Lord's
body" when taking communion, if we are to be certain
of avoiding punishment from God for not doing so
(1 Corinthians 11:29-30).

Glenn said:
The Deification and worship of Mary was not taught
by Jesus to His Apostles, was not taught by the
Apostles to the First Century Church, was not
recorded in the pages of the New Testament.

Almost all Roman Catholics would deny that they deify
or worship Mary the mother of Jesus; they would claim
to only "venerate" or "honor" her, and would agree
that the deification and worship of Mary isn't taught
by the Bible. Jesus repeatedly downplayed the
emphasis which people gave to His mother in His
desire to stress the even greater importance of
obedience to God: "A certain woman of the company
lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is
the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast
sucked. But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they
that hear the word of God, and keep it" (Luke
11:27-28); "Who is my mother? and who are my
brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his
disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my
brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my
-Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother,
and sister, and mother" (Matthew 12:48-50).
But we should in no way take this to mean that if we
are obedient to God we should not respect and honor
"the mother of my Lord" (Luke 1:43), for Jesus made
sure to honor Mary even while He was on the cross, by
providing her with John the Apostle to take care of
her as if she were John's own mother (John 19:27).
And because it was Mary among all women who was
chosen by God to be the mother of Jesus, there was
nothing wrong with the angel Gabriel saying to her;
"Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is
with thee; blessed art thou among women" (Luke 1:28);
just as there would be nothing wrong with us saying
something like that to Mary if we were to die and to
be introduced to her among the Christians in heaven.
.

User: "Andrew W"
Title: Re: WILL THERE BE NEW REVELATIONS?	30 Jul 2007 05:29:06 PM

"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1185799025.265033.184270@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

Its only one little verse that mentions this "caught up into the clouds"
idea.
The author could have just been having a dream.
Its funny how Bible literalists take one little poorly explained verse and
make a bigger thing out of it than was originally there.
I guess if all you have left is a book of barely understandable verses as
your connection to your source then you can't do anything else.
--
Andrew W.
Jesus said that we must search everywhere for the truth, that we must leave
no stone unturned.
How naive and foolish is the man who thinks he can get all the answers to
life from one convenient book. ~me
What we are told God and Jesus said, they did not say.
http://www.divinelove.org/volume1/Mission.htm
TABLE OF CONTENTS. Must read!
http://www.divinelove.org/revnt/Rev-TOC-title.htm
The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich
Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm
Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!
http://www.acim.org/
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User: "Fred A Stover"
Title: Re: WILL THERE BE NEW REVELATIONS?	31 Jul 2007 01:21:56 AM

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Its only one little verse that mentions this "caught up into the clouds"
idea.

Can't count?
John 14:2-3
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have
told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and prepare a
place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I
am, there ye may be also.
1 Cor. 15:51-52
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all
be changed, [52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:
for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and
we shall be changed.
Rev. 11:12
And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up
hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld
them.
1 Thes. 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them
in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the
Lord.
Rev. 12:5
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a
rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
His,
--
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Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)
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User: "Andrew W"
Title: Re: WILL THERE BE NEW REVELATIONS?	31 Jul 2007 02:56:32 AM

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Its only one little verse that mentions this "caught up into the clouds"
idea.

How can you have mansions inside a house???
What's this got to do with rapture?
What exactly does the above mean? Who was he talking to?

1 Cor. 15:51-52
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all
be changed, [52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last
trump:
for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,
and
we shall be changed.

Rev. 11:12
And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up
hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies
beheld
them.

1 Thes. 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with
them
in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with
the
Lord.

Rev. 12:5
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a
rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

All rather vague.
All with disconnected contexts.
Thus is Christianity - a sanctimonious hotch-potch machine.
--
Andrew W.
Jesus said that we must search everywhere for the truth, that we must leave
no stone unturned.
How naive and foolish is the man who thinks he can get all the answers to
life from one convenient book. ~me
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TABLE OF CONTENTS. Must read!
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User: "Fred A Stover"
Title: Re: WILL THERE BE NEW REVELATIONS?	31 Jul 2007 12:00:08 PM

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Its only one little verse that mentions this "caught up into the

clouds"

idea.

Can't count?

John 14:2-3
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would

have

told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and prepare a
place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that

where

I
am, there ye may be also.

How can you have mansions inside a house???

Ask a developer about luxury condos.

What's this got to do with rapture?

It's His telling His followers He will return to get them, which is the
rapture.

What exactly does the above mean? Who was he talking to?

He's was and is talking to His followers

1 Cor. 15:51-52
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall

all

be changed, [52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last
trump:
for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,
and
we shall be changed.

Rev. 11:12
And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up
hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies
beheld
them.

1 Thes. 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with
them
in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with
the
Lord.

Rev. 12:5
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a
rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

All rather vague.
All with disconnected contexts.
Thus is Christianity - a sanctimonious hotch-potch machine.

Only to some. Spiritual discernment enhances one's vision.

--
Andrew W.

User: "Mistylien"
Title: Re: WILL THERE BE NEW REVELATIONS?	01 Aug 2007 02:28:39 AM

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Its only one little verse that mentions this "caught up into the

clouds"

idea.

Can't count?

John 14:2-3
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would

have

told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and prepare a
place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that

where

I
am, there ye may be also.

How can you have mansions inside a house???

Ask a developer about luxury condos.

What's this got to do with rapture?

It's His telling His followers He will return to get them, which is the
rapture.

What exactly does the above mean? Who was he talking to?

He's was and is talking to His followers

Can you explain to us about the new believers that came after the First
century Christians?
Jesus had already assended to His father in Heaven at this time.
so there has to be another set of reasoning so these new believes
too will meet Jesus. and
as I met him it was in the air he did not dome back to be in human form
but in Spirit of truth he came and talks to me.
I am sure this is how He has been communicating with us now for the
last 1900 years

1 Cor. 15:51-52
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall

all

be changed, [52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last
trump:
for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,
and
we shall be changed.

Yes that change is what we call "The Rapture".
Or what "The rapture" was and is to be.
M,

Rev. 11:12
And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up
hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies
beheld
them.

1 Thes. 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with
them
in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with
the
Lord.

Rev. 12:5
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a
rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

All rather vague.
All with disconnected contexts.
Thus is Christianity - a sanctimonious hotch-potch machine.

Only to some. Spiritual discernment enhances one's vision.

--
Andrew W.

His,

--

www.geocities.com/fredstover7@sbcglobal.net/

Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)

<)))))><

Preparing the way of the Lord.

User: "Fred A Stover"
Title: Re: WILL THERE BE NEW REVELATIONS?	01 Aug 2007 08:55:45 PM

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Its only one little verse that mentions this "caught up into the

clouds"

idea.

Can't count?

John 14:2-3
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would

have

told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and

prepare a

place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that

where

I
am, there ye may be also.

How can you have mansions inside a house???

Ask a developer about luxury condos.

What's this got to do with rapture?

It's His telling His followers He will return to get them, which is the
rapture.

What exactly does the above mean? Who was he talking to?

He's was and is talking to His followers

Can you explain to us about the new believers that came after the First
century Christians?

Same as usual, they proclaimed the gospel and hearers believed.

Jesus had already assended to His father in Heaven at this time.
so there has to be another set of reasoning so these new believes
too will meet Jesus. and
as I met him it was in the air he did not dome back to be in human form
but in Spirit of truth he came and talks to me.
I am sure this is how He has been communicating with us now for the
last 1900 years

He will return bodily.

1 Cor. 15:51-52
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall

all

be changed, [52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last
trump:
for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised

incorruptible,

and
we shall be changed.

Yes that change is what we call "The Rapture".
Or what "The rapture" was and is to be.

M,

The rapture is the being caught up.
His,
--
For 1600 years 2 John 1:7 in the Bible said: "For many deceivers are
entering into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is coming in the
flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."
The original Greek text of the Bible and the Vulgate tranlation read "Jesus
Christ is coming in the flesh" because coming is in the present active
participle. The earliest versions that I've found to mistranslate the
present participle "is coming" as "is/has come," are the Douay-Rheims NT
(1582) and the King James (1611).
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a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)
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User: "Mistylien"
Title: Re: WILL THERE BE NEW REVELATIONS?	02 Aug 2007 04:22:15 AM

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snip<

He's was and is talking to His followers

Can you explain to us about the new believers that came after the First
century Christians?

Same as usual, they proclaimed the gospel and hearers believed.

So now the whole World is believing?
Is this what you mean?

He will return bodily.

We have been all through that and what you post is not what the Bible
really says.

Yes that change is what we call "The Rapture".
Or what "The rapture" was and is to be.

M,

The rapture is the being caught up.

Maybe so but not going flying off the face of the earth.
Caught up on a higher plain of thinking not on a higher plain
of being.

His,

--

For 1600 years 2 John 1:7 in the Bible said: "For many deceivers are
entering into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is coming in the
flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."

What version are you using?
NIV; 7Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as
coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such
person is the deceiver and the antichrist
Key words; "do not acknowledge Jesus Christ "as" coming in the flesh
KJV; 7For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess
not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Key words: "who confess not that Jesus Christ "is come" in the flesh"
These 2 Versons do not say as yours says "is coming".
Where do you get that 1600 years that you post?
M,

The original Greek text of the Bible and the Vulgate tranlation read "Jesus
Christ is coming in the flesh" because coming is in the present active
participle. The earliest versions that I've found to mistranslate the
present participle "is coming" as "is/has come," are the Douay-Rheims NT
(1582) and the King James (1611).

www.geocities.com/fredstover7@sbcglobal.net/

Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)

<)))))><

Preparing the way of the Lord.

User: "Fred A Stover"
Title: Re: WILL THERE BE NEW REVELATIONS?	02 Aug 2007 05:57:06 PM

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snip<

He's was and is talking to His followers

Can you explain to us about the new believers that came after the First
century Christians?

Same as usual, they proclaimed the gospel and hearers believed.

So now the whole World is believing?

Is this what you mean?

No just the ones who listen.

He will return bodily.

We have been all through that and what you post is not what the Bible
really says.

Wrong, what I posted says He will:
2 John 1:7(ASV)
For many deceivers are gone forth into the world, even they that confess
not that Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the
antichrist.

Yes that change is what we call "The Rapture".
Or what "The rapture" was and is to be.

M,

The rapture is the being caught up.

Maybe so but not going flying off the face of the earth.

Caught up on a higher plain of thinking not on a higher plain
of being.

As in the days of Noah......."
Genesis 7:17
And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased,
and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.

His,

--

For 1600 years 2 John 1:7 in the Bible said: "For many deceivers are
entering into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is coming in

the

flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."

What version are you using?

All of the versions, the Greek and the Latin, before 2 John 1:7 was
mistranslated into English.

NIV; 7Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as
coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such
person is the deceiver and the antichrist

Key words; "do not acknowledge Jesus Christ "as" coming in the flesh

KJV; 7For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess
not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an

antichrist.

Key words: "who confess not that Jesus Christ "is come" in the flesh"

These 2 Versons do not say as yours says "is coming".

Where do you get that 1600 years that you post?

M,

It's rounded to the nearest century. The English translations were created
in the late 1500's.

The original Greek text of the Bible and the Vulgate tranlation read

"Jesus

Christ is coming in the flesh" because coming is in the present active
participle. The earliest versions that I've found to mistranslate the
present participle "is coming" as "is/has come," are the Douay-Rheims NT
(1582) and the King James (1611).

His,
Fred
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User: "Mistylien"
Title: Re: WILL THERE BE NEW REVELATIONS?	03 Aug 2007 03:47:22 AM

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snip<

Same as usual, they proclaimed the gospel and hearers believed.

So now the whole World is believing?

Is this what you mean?

No just the ones who listen.

Elaborate on what, "listen" means.
Or do you mean: "RECEIVE"?

He will return bodily.

We have been all through that and what you post is not what the Bible
really says.

Wrong, what I posted says He will:

2 John 1:7(ASV)
For many deceivers are gone forth into the world, even they that confess
not that Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the
antichrist.

You are relying way too much on only one version of the Translated
Bible.\
But since you think that is how you do Bible Prophecy I guess it is
up to you to run with what you have. . .
M,
.

User: "Fred A Stover"
Title: Re: WILL THERE BE NEW REVELATIONS?	03 Aug 2007 03:59:49 AM

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snip<

Same as usual, they proclaimed the gospel and hearers believed.

So now the whole World is believing?

Is this what you mean?

No just the ones who listen.

Elaborate on what, "listen" means.

Or do you mean: "RECEIVE"?

form

but in Spirit of truth he came and talks to me.
I am sure this is how He has been communicating with us now for the
last 1900 years

He will return bodily.

We have been all through that and what you post is not what the Bible
really says.

Wrong, what I posted says He will:

2 John 1:7(ASV)
For many deceivers are gone forth into the world, even they that

confess

not that Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the
antichrist.

You are relying way too much on only one version of the Translated
Bible.\

But since you think that is how you do Bible Prophecy I guess it is
up to you to run with what you have. . .

M,

--
For 1600 years 2 John 1:7 in the Bible said: "For many deceivers are
entering into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is coming in the
flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."
The original Greek text of the Bible and the Vulgate tranlation read "Jesus
Christ is coming in the flesh" because coming is in the present active
participle. The earliest versions that I've found to mistranslate the
present participle "is coming" as "is/has come," are the Douay-Rheims NT
(1582) and the King James (1611).
www.geocities.com/fredstover7@sbcglobal.net/
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)
<)))))><
Preparing the way of the Lord.
.

User: "L.T. David"
Title: Re: WILL THERE BE NEW REVELATIONS?	03 Aug 2007 12:01:34 PM

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For 1600 years 2 John 1:7 in the Bible said: "For many deceivers are
entering into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is coming in
the
flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."

2 John 1
1:7
For many seducers are gone out into the world who confess not that
Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a seducer and an antichrist.
"quoniam multi seductores exierunt in mundum qui non confitentur Iesum
Christum VENIENTEM in carne hic est seductor et antichristus"

You're up ***** creek, Satan. :-O
.

User: "Read The Bible"
Title: Re: WILL THERE BE NEW REVELATIONS?	01 Aug 2007 06:56:07 AM

Andrew W said on July 31, 12:56 am:
[Re: "In my Father's house are many mansions"
(John 14:2)]
How can you have mansions inside a house?

Imagine a cubic "house" or "tabernacle" 1500 miles on
a side: "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem,
coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a
bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great
voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of
God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and
they shall be his people, and God himself shall be
with them, and be their God... And the city lieth
foursquare, and the length is as large as the
breadth: and he measured the city with the reed,
twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth
and the height of it are equal" (Revelation
21:2-3,16).

Andrew said:
[Re: John 14:2-3]
What's this got to do with rapture?
What exactly does the above mean?

The rapture part is: "I will come again, and receive
you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be
also" (John 14:3). At His second coming, Jesus will
rapture the church up to meet Him in the place in the
sky where He will be: "We which are alive and remain
shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,
to meet the Lord in the air" (1 Thessalonians 4:17).
The church will then remain in the sky with Jesus
while it is judged by Jesus (Psalms 50:3) and married
to Jesus (Revelation 19:7). Then the church will
descend back down from the sky (the first heaven)
with Jesus as He fights the battle of Armageddon,
and the church will land on the earth with Jesus to
rule with Him during His thousand-year reign on the
earth (Revelation 19:14-20:6, 5:10, 2:26-29).
The other part: "In my Father's house are many
mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you.
I go to prepare a place for you" (John 14:2), means
that Jesus went to prepare eternal dwelling places
for believers in the heavenly city of New Jerusalem,
which believers won't live in forever until the
thousand-year reign of Christ, and the subsequent
battle of Gog and Magog and the white throne judgment
are over (Revelation 20:7-21:5).
The only connection between the two parts is: "And
if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come
again" (John 14:3), that is, Jesus' going to prepare
places for us in New Jerusalem proves that He has
future plans for us, so He isn't going to go away and
leave us alone on the earth forever. He's going to
come back.

Andrew said:
Who was he talking to?

Jesus wasn't talking only to the apostles, but was in
effect talking to all believers, for to Him all
believers are one: "Neither pray I for these alone,
but for them also which shall believe on me through
their word; that they all may be one" (John 17:20-21).
.

User: "Glenn"
Title: Re: WILL THERE BE NEW REVELATIONS?	31 Jul 2007 01:55:52 PM

Andrew W wrote:

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Its only one little verse that mentions this "caught up into the clouds"
idea.

Does not name or describe the "rapture" event.

How can you have mansions inside a house???
What's this got to do with rapture?
What exactly does the above mean? Who was he talking to?

Does describe the "rapture" event, now all you need to do is compare the
events described with those depicted in Isa 27:13, Mat 24:29-31 and 2
Peter 3:3-12 with Zech 14:4, Rev 14:1-4 then you will have the time
correct too.

Rev. 11:12
And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up
hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies
beheld
them.

Yes, does name or describe the "rapture" event, now all you need to do
is compare the other events described with those depicted in Isa 27:13,
Mat 24:29-31 and 2 peter 3:3-12 Zech 14:4, Rev 14:1-4 then you will have
the time correct too.

1 Thes. 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with
them
in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with
the
Lord.

This describe the "rapture" event, and if compared Isa 27:13, Mat
24:29-31 and 2 peter 3:3-12 Zech 14:4, Rev 14:1-4 and Rev 11:7-19 you
will have the time correct too.

Rev. 12:5
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a
rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

That prophecy was fulfilled in AD30.

All rather vague.
All with disconnected contexts.
Thus is Christianity - a sanctimonious hotch-potch machine.

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User: "Fred A Stover"
Title: Re: WILL THERE BE NEW REVELATIONS?	31 Jul 2007 10:01:49 PM

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"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Its only one little verse that mentions this "caught up into the

clouds"

idea.

Can't count?

John 14:2-3
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would

have

told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and prepare

place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that

where

I
am, there ye may be also.

Does not name or describe the "rapture" event.

The going to the place prepared is the rapture.

How can you have mansions inside a house???
What's this got to do with rapture?
What exactly does the above mean? Who was he talking to?

1 Cor. 15:51-52
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall

all

be changed, [52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last
trump:
for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised

incorruptible,

and
we shall be changed.

It describes the resurrection, and it tells about the twinkling of an eye
when we're all changed. The following shows two of the all changed in the
twinkling of an eye ascending into heaven, which is the rapture.

Rev. 11:12
And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up
hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies
beheld
them.

The time is correct, at His coming.

1 Thes. 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with
them
in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be

with

the
Lord.

This describe the "rapture" event, and if compared Isa 27:13, Mat
24:29-31 and 2 peter 3:3-12 Zech 14:4, Rev 14:1-4 and Rev 11:7-19 you
will have the time correct too.

The time is the day of the Lord which begins with His coming and extends
throught the millennium.

Rev. 12:5
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with

rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

That prophecy was fulfilled in AD30.

The prophecy was given after 30AD
His,
.

User: "�andy"
Title: Re: WILL THERE BE NEW REVELATIONS?	01 Aug 2007 12:13:42 AM

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:55:52 -0700,
in article <f8o0jq0fej@enews4.newsguy.com>,
Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:

Does not name or describe the "rapture" event.

Does not refute the fact the Bible teaches the church will be
raptured.
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User: "Glenn"
Title: Re: WILL THERE BE NEW REVELATIONS?	30 Jul 2007 11:03:38 AM

Read The Bible wrote:

The word "rapture" is related to the Latin word
"rapiemur", which was the Latin Vulgate translation
of the Greek word translated into English as "caught
up".

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Personally, I think this effort to explain to origin of the term
"rapture" is nothing less than pathetic.
a) the source of the term "rapiemur" has nothing to do with the false
doctrine based on, and named for, that word.
b) this is a red herring. confirming the origin of the term in no way
confirms the false doctrine based on, and named for, that term.
c) the "doctrine of the Rapture" falsifies the prophetic sequence of
events in a satanic effort to deceive God's People.
The "doctrine of the rapture" is a doctrine of devils.
What Is A "Doctrine Of Devils?"
http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/main/argue/doctrine/doctrine_a.html
http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/main/argue/doctrine/doctrine_b.html

"Millennial" means of or relating to a "millennium",
and "millennium" literally means "thousand".

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"There is no sound exegetical basis for claiming the 'millennial reign
of Christ on earth' is in Revelation 19-20."

Glenn said:
The doctrine of the trinity was not taught by Jesus
to His Apostles, was not taught by the Apostles to
the First Century Church, was not recorded in the
pages of the New Testament.

The doctrine of the Trinity means the doctrine that
Jesus and the Holy Spirit are One God with the
-Father: "I and my Father are one" (John 10:30);
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Trinity doctrine is a pagan perversion of God's Word.
"I and my father are one" means that Jesus is in submission to His
Father, that Father and Son share a common purpose, that they are in
agreement, that the Son does the Father's will.
To pervert the meaning of the 'term "One" to mean "single" and/or "Same"
is a falsification (lie) of God's word to support a false doctrine, a
heresy, is an abomination to God.

....nor is "rapture doctrine," or "Millennial reign doctrine" or "trinity
doctrine."

Glenn said:
The doctrine of Transubstantiation was not taught
by Jesus to His Apostles, was not taught by the
Apostles to the First Century Church, was not
recorded in the pages of the New Testament.

The doctrine of transubstantiation is the Roman
Catholic doctrine that the real, inner substance of
the bread and wine of communion are changed into
the physical flesh and blood of Jesus,

Among the abominations of the heretical RCC...

Almost all Roman Catholics would deny that they deify
or worship Mary the mother of Jesus; they would claim
to only "venerate" or "honor" her,

To "Admire," "Venerate" and "Honor" Mary is to "Worship" Mary.
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User: "Read The Bible"
Title: Re: WILL THERE BE NEW REVELATIONS?	31 Jul 2007 01:06:58 AM

Glenn said on July 30, 9:03 am:
...the source of the term "rapiemur" has nothing to
do with the false doctrine based on, and named for,
that word.

The source of the term "rapiemur" in the Latin
Vulgate translation of 1 Thessalonians 4:17 is the
Greek word translated as "caught up": "Then we which
are alive and remain shall be caught up [rapiemur]
together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in
the air". The fact that there is false doctrine based
on the truth of the church's being "rapiemur" at the
second coming in no way affects the validity of what
1 Thessalonians 4:17 says. If someone for some reason
has a hard time with any reference to the church
being "rapiemur" or "raptured" at the second coming,
then these terms can be completely avoided and always
replaced with "caught up". There is simply no way to
deny that the church will be "caught up" at the
second coming without denying what the Bible says.

Glenn said:
...the "doctrine of the Rapture" falsifies the
prophetic sequence of events

There is a true doctrine of the "rapture", or the
church's being "caught up", which doesn't falsify the
prophetic sequence of events. The true doctrine of
the rapture places the rapture at the second coming,
after the tribulation; for the church's being "caught
up together" to Jesus at His second coming
(1 Thessalonians 4:17) is the same as the church's
being "gathered together" to Jesus at His second
coming, after the tribulation: "Now we beseech you,
brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and
by our gathering together unto him" (2 Thessalonians
2:1); "After that tribulation... then shall they see
the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power
and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and
shall gather together his elect from the four winds,
from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost
part of heaven" (Mark 13:24,26-27).

Glenn said:
"There is no sound exegetical basis for claiming
the 'millennial reign of Christ on earth' is in
Revelation 19-20."

There is no sound exegetical basis for claiming
that the millennial, or thousand-year, reign of
Christ on earth isn't in Revelation 20: "And I saw
thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was
given unto them; and I saw the souls of them that
were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the
word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast,
neither his image, neither had received his mark upon
their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived
and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the
rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand
years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
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Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first
resurrection: on such the second death hath no power,
but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and
shall reign with him a thousand years" (Revelation
20:4-6); "And hast made us unto our God kings and
priests: and we shall reign on the earth" (Revelation
5:10). "He that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto
the end, to him will I give power over the nations;
and he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the
vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers;
even as I received of my Father. And I will give him
the morning star. He that hath an ear, let him hear
what the Spirit saith unto the churches" (Revelation
2:26-29).

Glenn said:
Trinity doctrine is a pagan perversion of God's
Word.

The Trinity doctrine in no way perverts God's Word.

Glenn said:
"I and my father are one" [John 10:30] means that
Jesus is in submission to His Father, that Father
and Son share a common purpose, that they are in
agreement, that the Son does the Father's will.
-
To pervert the meaning of the 'term "One" to mean
"single" and/or "Same" is a falsification (lie) of
God's word

"I and my father are one" (John 10:30) not only means
that Jesus is in submission to His Father, that the
-Father and Son share a common purpose, that they are
in agreement, and that the Son does the Father's
will; "I and my father are one" (John 10:30) also
means that they are One and the Same Single God, for
"There is none other God but one" (1 Corinthians
8:4), and Jesus is