Religions > Bible > WITCHCRAFT! What does that word bring to your mind?
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"Norwood Holden" |
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28 Oct 2004 05:07:00 AM |
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WITCHCRAFT! What does that word bring to your mind? |
The Bible confirms the existence of the Devil and charges him with
much of the suffering and turmoil on earth. (Revelation 12:12) Jesus
not only taught that the Devil exists but also showed that it is
possible unwittingly to do the will of the Devil. For example,
self-righteous religious leaders of the first century asserted that
they were, in a way, sons of God and believed that they were doing the
will of God. Jesus, who could discern what was in their hearts, knew
differently. He told them forthright: "You are from your father the
Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father." (John 8:44)
Further, the Bible book of Revelation states that the Devil "is
misleading the entire inhabited earth."—Revelation 12:9.
http://www.watchtower.org/library/w/2000/4/1/article_01.htm
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| User: "bob young" |
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29 Oct 2004 05:47:17 AM |
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Norwood Holden wrote:
The Bible confirms the existence of the Devil and charges him with
much of the suffering and turmoil on earth. (Revelation 12:12) Jesus
not only taught that the Devil exists but also showed that it is
possible unwittingly to do the will of the Devil. For example,
self-righteous religious leaders of the first century asserted that
they were, in a way, sons of God and believed that they were doing the
will of God. Jesus, who could discern what was in their hearts, knew
differently. He told them forthright: "You are from your father the
Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father." (John 8:44)
Further, the Bible book of Revelation states that the Devil "is
misleading the entire inhabited earth."óRevelation 12:9.
This would be less a load of rubbish if JC could be shown to have ever
existed as a human, let alone as the 'son of a god'. This was a story
made up because too many folks were asking the clerics "Where is this god
you keep talking about, we want to see him". Well they couldn't produce
Him, of course, so His son was the next best thing. They were very
simple then, and some of us are no better today!
Bob
Humanist Brit.
Hong Kong
Nature tells man to consult reason, and to take it for his guide:
religion teaches him that his reason is corrupted, that it is only a
treacherous guide, given by a deceitful God to lead his creatures
astray. Nature tells man to enlighten himself, to search after truth, to
instruct himself in his duties: religion enjoins him to examine nothing,
to remain in ignorance, to fear truth.
[Paul Henry Thiry D'Holbach]
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<p>Norwood Holden wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>The Bible confirms the existence of the Devil and
charges him with
<br>much of the suffering and turmoil on earth. (Revelation 12:12) Jesus
<br>not only taught that the Devil exists but also showed that it is
<br>possible unwittingly to do the will of the Devil. For example,
<br>self-righteous religious leaders of the first century asserted that
<br>they were, in a way, sons of God and believed that they were doing
the
<br>will of God. Jesus, who could discern what was in their hearts, knew
<br>differently. He told them forthright: "You are from your father the
<br>Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father." (John 8:44)
<br>Further, the Bible book of Revelation states that the Devil "is
<br>misleading the entire inhabited earth."—Revelation 12:9.</blockquote>
This would be less a load of rubbish if JC could be shown to have ever
existed as a human, let alone as the 'son of a god'. This was a story
made up because too many folks were asking the clerics "Where is this god
you keep talking about, we want to see him". Well they couldn't produce
Him, of course, so His son was the next best thing. They were very
simple then, and some of us are no better today!
<p>Bob
<br>Humanist Brit.
<br>Hong Kong
<p>Nature tells man to consult reason, and to take it for his guide: religion
teaches him that his reason is corrupted, that it is only a treacherous
guide, given by a deceitful God to lead his creatures astray. Nature
tells man to enlighten himself, to search after truth, to instruct himself
in his duties: religion enjoins him to examine nothing, to remain
in ignorance, to fear truth.
<br>[Paul Henry Thiry D'Holbach]
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<blockquote TYPE=CITE><a href="http://www.watchtower.org/library/w/2000/4/1/article_01.htm"></a> </blockquote>
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| User: "George Peatty" |
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| Title: Re: WITCHCRAFT! What does that word bring to your mind? |
29 Oct 2004 12:53:21 PM |
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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:47:17 +0800, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
This would be less a load of rubbish if JC could be shown to have ever
existed as a human, let alone as the 'son of a god'.
How is it that the Gospel accounts fail to persuade you? You're asking me
to believe that the account of Jesus Christ was fabricated out of whole
cloth, and part of some con game that has persisted for two millennia and
hoodwinked millions? And, you call me simple?
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| User: "David Simpson" |
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| Title: Re: WITCHCRAFT! What does that word bring to your mind? |
31 Oct 2004 06:26:33 AM |
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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:53:21 -0500, George Peatty
<pttyg47-1230@copper.net> typed furiously:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:47:17 +0800, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
This would be less a load of rubbish if JC could be shown to have ever
existed as a human, let alone as the 'son of a god'.
How is it that the Gospel accounts fail to persuade you? You're asking me
to believe that the account of Jesus Christ was fabricated out of whole
cloth, and part of some con game that has persisted for two millennia and
hoodwinked millions? And, you call me simple?
Since there is _no_ independent evidence that such a person actually
existed then yes. It is those who believe that are simple. The New
Testament is the only evidence for the existence of Yeshua ben Yosef
of Nazareth. He is not mentioned in Josephus and many smaller events
are listed in those histories.
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David Simpson (Remove "farook" to reply)
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Bad manners should not be a capital crime ...
for a first offence.
Paraphrasing Robert Heinlein,
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| User: "Jerric" |
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02 Nov 2004 01:14:54 PM |
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Since there is _no_ independent evidence that such a person actually
Well actually historians would greatly argue about that. much evidence
testifies to the existance of Jesus
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| User: "Don calldonREMOVE IT @something.net" |
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02 Nov 2004 06:04:04 PM |
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On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 19:14:54 GMT, "Jerric" <jerric@nb.sympatico.ca>
wrote:
Since there is _no_ independent evidence that such a person actually
Well actually historians would greatly argue about that. much evidence
testifies to the existance of Jesus
Got any particular "historians" in mind..or just "historians" in
general.
In general...ya know, like saying, "Many Americans would argue that
Kerry would make a wonderful president."
In general...
Qualem blennum!
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| User: "George Peatty" |
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02 Nov 2004 07:11:59 PM |
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On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 00:04:04 GMT, Don < calldonREMOVE IT
@something.net> wrote:
In general...ya know, like saying, "Many Americans would argue that
Kerry would make a wonderful president."
If they elect him, they'll find out they elected the Millard Fillmore of the
21st century.
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| User: "•R.L.Measures" |
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03 Nov 2004 07:45:13 AM |
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In article <t1cgo013ofoprmmar3om3pameidj88esi4@4ax.com>, George Peatty
<pttyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote:
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 00:04:04 GMT, Don < calldonREMOVE IT
@something.net> wrote:
In general...ya know, like saying, "Many Americans would argue that
Kerry would make a wonderful president."
If they elect him, they'll find out they elected the Millard Fillmore of the
21st century.
• The good news about G. W. being reelected is that he has the
responsibility for cleaning up the mess he made in Iraq. G. W. took heat
from the short-sighted for not going full-throttle in Tora Bora when he
had the chance of killing Osama bin Laden. However, this turned out to be
either a brilliant - or a serendipitous - political move since, if bin
Laden was kept alive, he could probably be depended on to make a real
scary appearance on al-Jazerra TV just before the 2004 election, frighten
the bejesus out of undecided voters, and hand G. W. the golden plum he
craved: one-upping his daddy.
Karl "Turd Blossom" Rove is probably laughing his ***** off this morning.
Congrats, Karl.
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| User: "icono" |
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03 Nov 2004 09:42:53 PM |
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".R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
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In article <t1cgo013ofoprmmar3om3pameidj88esi4@4ax.com>, George Peatty
<pttyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote:
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 00:04:04 GMT, Don < calldonREMOVE IT
@something.net> wrote:
In general...ya know, like saying, "Many Americans would argue that
Kerry would make a wonderful president."
If they elect him, they'll find out they elected the Millard Fillmore of
the
21st century.
. The good news about G. W. being reelected is that he has the
responsibility for cleaning up the mess he made in Iraq. G. W. took heat
from the short-sighted for not going full-throttle in Tora Bora when he
had the chance of killing Osama bin Laden. However, this turned out to be
either a brilliant - or a serendipitous - political move since, if bin
Laden was kept alive, he could probably be depended on to make a real
scary appearance on al-Jazerra TV just before the 2004 election, frighten
the bejesus out of undecided voters, and hand G. W. the golden plum he
craved: one-upping his daddy.
If there was any truth to what you just wrote, some may think you had a
brain.
You are so stupid that you actually believe the blogging about GW. I don't
know or know of an intelligent and very anti Republican Democrat that is as
stupid as you and your kind. If you are going to be a liberal or a
Democrat, get an education and quit embarrassing all but the M. Moore crowd.
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| User: "•R.L.Measures" |
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04 Nov 2004 01:30:40 AM |
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In article <Yyhid.31620$SW3.14455@fed1read01>, "icono" <icono@cox.net> wrote:
".R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
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In article <t1cgo013ofoprmmar3om3pameidj88esi4@4ax.com>, George Peatty
<pttyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote:
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 00:04:04 GMT, Don < calldonREMOVE IT
@something.net> wrote:
In general...ya know, like saying, "Many Americans would argue that
Kerry would make a wonderful president."
If they elect him, they'll find out they elected the Millard Fillmore of
the
21st century.
. The good news about G. W. being reelected is that he has the
responsibility for cleaning up the mess he made in Iraq. G. W. took heat
from the short-sighted for not going full-throttle in Tora Bora when he
had the chance of killing Osama bin Laden. However, this turned out to be
either a brilliant - or a serendipitous - political move since, if bin
Laden was kept alive, he could probably be depended on to make a real
scary appearance on al-Jazerra TV just before the 2004 election, frighten
the bejesus out of undecided voters, and hand G. W. the golden plum he
craved: one-upping his daddy.
If there was any truth to what you just wrote, some may think you had a
brain.
You are so stupid that you actually believe the blogging about GW.
** The info about not going full throttle after bin Laden in Tora Bora
came from the military, not the Internet.
I don't
know or know of an intelligent and very anti Republican Democrat that is as
stupid as you and your kind. If you are going to be a liberal or a
Democrat, get an education and quit embarrassing all but the M. Moore crowd.
** I have been a Republican since c. 1970. I voted for Nixon.
** The bottom-line is that Karl Rove deserves credit for telling Bush
what to do and say in order to one-up Bush, Sr. The key to the plan was
for G. W. to oppose stem-cell research and all forms of abortion without
any allowance for the woman's health -- in perfect lockstep with current
Vatican dogma. This virtually guaranteed that the undecided Catholic
voter would ignore Bush's wild and crazy economic policy, vote Republican
and swing the election. Karl "Turd Blossom" Rove is a genius. Congrats,
Karl.
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| User: "icono" |
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04 Nov 2004 07:36:04 PM |
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".R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
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In article <Yyhid.31620$SW3.14455@fed1read01>, "icono" <icono@cox.net>
wrote:
".R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
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In article <t1cgo013ofoprmmar3om3pameidj88esi4@4ax.com>, George Peatty
<pttyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote:
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 00:04:04 GMT, Don < calldonREMOVE IT
@something.net> wrote:
In general...ya know, like saying, "Many Americans would argue that
Kerry would make a wonderful president."
If they elect him, they'll find out they elected the Millard Fillmore of
the
21st century.
. The good news about G. W. being reelected is that he has the
responsibility for cleaning up the mess he made in Iraq. G. W. took
heat
from the short-sighted for not going full-throttle in Tora Bora when he
had the chance of killing Osama bin Laden. However, this turned out to
be
either a brilliant - or a serendipitous - political move since, if bin
Laden was kept alive, he could probably be depended on to make a real
scary appearance on al-Jazerra TV just before the 2004 election,
frighten
the bejesus out of undecided voters, and hand G. W. the golden plum he
craved: one-upping his daddy.
If there was any truth to what you just wrote, some may think you had a
brain.
You are so stupid that you actually believe the blogging about GW.
** The info about not going full throttle after bin Laden in Tora Bora
came from the military, not the Internet.
I don't
know or know of an intelligent and very anti Republican Democrat that is
as
stupid as you and your kind. If you are going to be a liberal or a
Democrat, get an education and quit embarrassing all but the M. Moore
crowd.
** I have been a Republican since c. 1970. I voted for Nixon.
** The bottom-line is that Karl Rove deserves credit for telling Bush
what to do and say in order to one-up Bush, Sr. The key to the plan was
for G. W. to oppose stem-cell research and all forms of abortion without
any allowance for the woman's health -- in perfect lockstep with current
Vatican dogma. This virtually guaranteed that the undecided Catholic
voter would ignore Bush's wild and crazy economic policy, vote Republican
and swing the election. Karl "Turd Blossom" Rove is a genius. Congrats,
Karl.
Unbelievable.
First you miss state GWs stance.
Second where did you here the nonsense?
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| User: "•R.L.Measures" |
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04 Nov 2004 10:30:08 PM |
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In article <1OAid.31931$SW3.1533@fed1read01>, "icono" <icono@cox.net> wrote:
".R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
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In article <Yyhid.31620$SW3.14455@fed1read01>, "icono" <icono@cox.net>
wrote:
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** I have been a Republican since c. 1970. I voted for Nixon.
** The bottom-line is that Karl Rove deserves credit for telling Bush
what to do and say in order to one-up Bush, Sr. The key to the plan was
for G. W. to oppose stem-cell research and all forms of abortion without
any allowance for the woman's health -- in perfect lockstep with current
Vatican dogma. This virtually guaranteed that the undecided Catholic
voter would ignore Bush's wild and crazy economic policy, vote Republican
and swing the election. Karl "Turd Blossom" Rove is a genius. Congrats,
Karl.
Unbelievable.
First you miss state GWs stance.
** he is pro-choice?.
Second where did you hear the nonsense?
** What part do you take issue with?
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| User: "icono" |
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05 Nov 2004 08:02:53 AM |
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".R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
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In article <1OAid.31931$SW3.1533@fed1read01>, "icono" <icono@cox.net>
wrote:
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In article <Yyhid.31620$SW3.14455@fed1read01>, "icono" <icono@cox.net>
wrote:
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** I have been a Republican since c. 1970. I voted for Nixon.
** The bottom-line is that Karl Rove deserves credit for telling Bush
what to do and say in order to one-up Bush, Sr. The key to the plan was
for G. W. to oppose stem-cell research and all forms of abortion without
any allowance for the woman's health -- in perfect lockstep with current
Vatican dogma. This virtually guaranteed that the undecided Catholic
voter would ignore Bush's wild and crazy economic policy, vote
Republican
and swing the election. Karl "Turd Blossom" Rove is a genius.
Congrats,
Karl.
Unbelievable.
First you miss state GWs stance.
** he is pro-choice?.
You said no allowance on abortion.
You said no stem cell research.
TOTALLY WRONG
So increasing job and economic competition with the rest of the world is
crazy?
So equalizing the tax structure is crazy?
Apparently you love to pay high taxes.
Oh! Yes, for the mentally and educationally challenged, increasing taxes on
the so called rich increases the cost to the general public by a two to one
ratio.
For the mathematically challenged this means for every extra dollar paid in
taxes by the so called rich, the middle class and poor pay two dollars in
product.
For those who are really retarded through negative education such as
journalists, the so called rich always make the same money. The middle
class and poor ALWAYS pay for ALL of the government.
It may take many a few weeks to figure the following out.
Most corporations base their sell price on cost plus overhead plus G&A times
1.X where X is the percent profit. Taxes are in overhead and G&A. Of
course the original cost of goods and labor will have already been burdened
with taxes on the source.
The middle class and poor ALWAYS pay for ALL of the government.
Second where did you hear the nonsense?
** What part do you take issue with?
The only source of your sentiments about Rove is the FAR FAR left.
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| User: "alanm" |
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05 Nov 2004 08:20:05 AM |
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"icono" <icono@cox.net> wrote in message
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In article <1OAid.31931$SW3.1533@fed1read01>, "icono" <icono@cox.net>
wrote:
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In article <Yyhid.31620$SW3.14455@fed1read01>, "icono" <icono@cox.net>
wrote:
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** I have been a Republican since c. 1970. I voted for Nixon.
** The bottom-line is that Karl Rove deserves credit for telling Bush
what to do and say in order to one-up Bush, Sr. The key to the plan
was
for G. W. to oppose stem-cell research and all forms of abortion
without
any allowance for the woman's health -- in perfect lockstep with
current
Vatican dogma. This virtually guaranteed that the undecided Catholic
voter would ignore Bush's wild and crazy economic policy, vote
Republican
and swing the election. Karl "Turd Blossom" Rove is a genius.
Congrats,
Karl.
Unbelievable.
First you miss state GWs stance.
** he is pro-choice?.
You said no allowance on abortion.
You said no stem cell research.
TOTALLY WRONG
So increasing job and economic competition with the rest of the world is
crazy?
So equalizing the tax structure is crazy?
Apparently you love to pay high taxes.
Oh! Yes, for the mentally and educationally challenged, increasing taxes
on
the so called rich increases the cost to the general public by a two to
one
ratio.
For the mathematically challenged this means for every extra dollar paid
in
taxes by the so called rich, the middle class and poor pay two dollars in
product.
For those who are really retarded through negative education such as
That would be Susan Williams.
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| User: "•R.L.Measures" |
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05 Nov 2004 12:21:21 PM |
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In article <aKLid.33044$SW3.15692@fed1read01>, "icono" <icono@cox.net> wrote:
".R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
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In article <1OAid.31931$SW3.1533@fed1read01>, "icono" <icono@cox.net>
wrote:
".R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
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In article <Yyhid.31620$SW3.14455@fed1read01>, "icono" <icono@cox.net>
wrote:
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** I have been a Republican since c. 1970. I voted for Nixon.
** The bottom-line is that Karl Rove deserves credit for telling Bush
what to do and say in order to one-up Bush, Sr. The key to the plan was
for G. W. to oppose stem-cell research and all forms of abortion without
any allowance for the woman's health -- in perfect lockstep with current
Vatican dogma. This virtually guaranteed that the undecided Catholic
voter would ignore Bush's wild and crazy economic policy, vote
Republican
and swing the election. Karl "Turd Blossom" Rove is a genius.
Congrats,
Karl.
Unbelievable.
First you miss state GWs stance.
** he is pro-choice?.
You said no allowance on abortion.
** For the woman's health, yes.
You said no stem cell research.
** I said he opposes stem cell research, which is the case since he put a
stop to testing new lines of stem cells with federal monies.
TOTALLY WRONG
** Shouting makes it true?
So increasing job and economic competition with the rest of the world is
crazy?
So equalizing the tax structure is crazy?
Apparently you love to pay high taxes.
** I am getting ready to sell 3k shares of stock for more than double
what I paid for it. I was surprised to find out that the income tax on
the profit is only 15%. I would rather pay more tax than watch the value
of the USD steadily decline on world financial markets because of the
$450-billion or so deficit. The difference between this Republican and
Neo-cons is that I realize that coffins don't have money-pockets.
Oh! Yes, for the mentally and educationally challenged, increasing taxes on
the so called rich increases the cost to the general public by a two to one
ratio.
For the mathematically challenged this means for every extra dollar paid in
taxes by the so called rich, the middle class and poor pay two dollars in
product.
** Neo-con mantra: Cut taxes infinitely, grow the economy
infinitely. Ronald Reagand and JFK are probably turning over in their
graves.
For those who are really retarded through negative education such as
journalists, the so called rich always make the same money. The middle
class and poor ALWAYS pay for ALL of the government.
** Parroting G. W.
It may take many a few weeks to figure the following out.
Most corporations base their sell price on cost plus overhead plus G&A times
1.X where X is the percent profit. Taxes are in overhead and G&A. Of
course the original cost of goods and labor will have already been burdened
with taxes on the source.
The middle class and poor ALWAYS pay for ALL of the government.
Second where did you hear the nonsense?
** What part do you take issue with?
The only source of your sentiments about Rove is the FAR FAR left.
** I saw an interview with ex Texas gov Ann Richard. She talked about
Karl Rove's brilliant plan for G. W. to beat the popular gov. in her bid
for re-election. Karl Rove is so important to this administration that he
attends NSC meetings. Two, other sources are those who have observed - but
not admired - Rove's activities and an interview with the author of the
book: "Bush's Brain". Karl invites comparison with Niccolo Machiavelli
and Giovanni de Medici - alias Pope Leo X.
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05 Nov 2004 03:44:26 PM |
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".R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
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In article <aKLid.33044$SW3.15692@fed1read01>, "icono" <icono@cox.net>
wrote:
Oh! Yes, for the mentally and educationally challenged, increasing taxes
on
the so called rich increases the cost to the general public by a two to
one
ratio.
For the mathematically challenged this means for every extra dollar paid
in
taxes by the so called rich, the middle class and poor pay two dollars in
product.
** Neo-con mantra: Cut taxes infinitely, grow the economy
infinitely. Ronald Reagand and JFK are probably turning over in their
graves.
You can't read and you have zero knowledge of business.
We will have taxes because we have a government.
The poor and middle class pay for it.
For those who are really retarded through negative education such as
journalists, the so called rich always make the same money. The middle
class and poor ALWAYS pay for ALL of the government.
** Parroting G. W.
Whether G.W. said so or not does not change facts or business.
BTW, I never heard G.W say anything close.
It may take many a few weeks to figure the following out.
Most corporations base their sell price on cost plus overhead plus G&A
times
1.X where X is the percent profit. Taxes are in overhead and G&A. Of
course the original cost of goods and labor will have already been
burdened
with taxes on the source.
The middle class and poor ALWAYS pay for ALL of the government.
Second where did you hear the nonsense?
** What part do you take issue with?
The only source of your sentiments about Rove is the FAR FAR left.
** I saw an interview with ex Texas gov Ann Richard. She talked about
Karl Rove's brilliant plan for G. W. to beat the popular gov. in her bid
for re-election. Karl Rove is so important to this administration that he
attends NSC meetings. Two, other sources are those who have observed - but
not admired - Rove's activities and an interview with the author of the
book: "Bush's Brain". Karl invites comparison with Niccolo Machiavelli
and Giovanni de Medici - alias Pope Leo X.
Get off your hate trail and the "THEM" trail.
Like I said, the FAR FAR left.
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06 Nov 2004 04:20:32 AM |
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In article <TuSid.33768$SW3.27717@fed1read01>, "icono" <icono@cox.net> wrote:
".R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
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In article <aKLid.33044$SW3.15692@fed1read01>, "icono" <icono@cox.net>
wrote:
Oh! Yes, for the mentally and educationally challenged, increasing taxes
on
the so called rich increases the cost to the general public by a two to
one
ratio.
For the mathematically challenged this means for every extra dollar paid
in
taxes by the so called rich, the middle class and poor pay two dollars in
product.
** Neo-con mantra: Cut taxes infinitely, grow the economy
infinitely. Ronald Reagand and JFK are probably turning over in their
graves.
You can't read and you have zero knowledge of business.
We will have taxes because we have a government.
The poor and middle class pay for it.
For those who are really retarded through negative education such as
journalists, the so called rich always make the same money. The middle
class and poor ALWAYS pay for ALL of the government.
** Parroting G. W.
Whether G.W. said so or not does not change facts or business.
BTW, I never heard G.W say anything close.
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** I did, but he wasn't reading one of Karl's cue cards.
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06 Nov 2004 11:47:19 AM |
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".R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
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In article <TuSid.33768$SW3.27717@fed1read01>, "icono" <icono@cox.net>
wrote:
".R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r_-0511041021200001@192.168.1.101...
In article <aKLid.33044$SW3.15692@fed1read01>, "icono" <icono@cox.net>
wrote:
Oh! Yes, for the mentally and educationally challenged, increasing taxes
on
the so called rich increases the cost to the general public by a two to
one
ratio.
For the mathematically challenged this means for every extra dollar paid
in
taxes by the so called rich, the middle class and poor pay two dollars
in
product.
** Neo-con mantra: Cut taxes infinitely, grow the economy
infinitely. Ronald Reagand and JFK are probably turning over in their
graves.
You can't read and you have zero knowledge of business.
We will have taxes because we have a government.
The poor and middle class pay for it.
For those who are really retarded through negative education such as
journalists, the so called rich always make the same money. The middle
class and poor ALWAYS pay for ALL of the government.
** Parroting G. W.
Whether G.W. said so or not does not change facts or business.
BTW, I never heard G.W say anything close.
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** I did, but he wasn't reading one of Karl's cue cards.
Well I'm glad you sucked in to it.
The phrasing was from the Democratic Farm Labor and Democratic Socialist
party, the mother of liberals / democrats.
The carrot was to convince all that since they were the only ones actually
paying for the government, they should get ALL the benefits and forget what
Hitler was doing in Europe.
A little historic education goes a long ways.
Negative historic education will eventually be our downfall. We will get
sucked into the liberal / Socialist paradigm and fall.
Bush talked way over the heads of the miss educated.
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02 Nov 2004 01:26:57 PM |
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On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 19:14:54 GMT, Jerric wrote:
Since there is _no_ independent evidence that such a person actually
Well actually historians would greatly argue about that. much evidence
testifies to the existance of Jesus
Care to state which historians, not apologetics, & which journals they
publish in. One would expect such journals to be academic & not apologetic
of course. Then, you can maybe explain why for upward of 2000 years there
has been no evidence [as in zero] found for one Jesus of Nazareth.
Please, no assuming your conclusions, no circular reasoning, no special
exceptions, or any other logical fallacy.
Now, if your argument is there is a Jesus back then, agreed, just not the
one of the xian myth.
Josephus the Jew has some of them recorded IIRC, which I may not.
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31 Oct 2004 01:07:50 PM |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:56:33 +1030, David Simpson
<farookdas@picknowl.com.au> wrote:
He is not mentioned in Josephus
You're reading a different Josephus than I am ..
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02 Nov 2004 07:29:24 AM |
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Hmm. Jews: Endless commentaries on Joesphus.
Catholics: A papal bull on Josephus ends all discussion.
Protestants: Looking for Josephus in the Bible.
Unitarian: Is there a Josephus?
Baptist: We are the true church because of Josephus.
Petnacostals: You have to Josephus in tongues to prove you have the
indwelling of the Josephus.
Buddhists: Josephus over and over again.
Taoists: The way of the peaceful Josephus.
Satanists: The dead Josephus brings more power to us.
Mormons: The complete and restored Josephus.
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Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com
"George Peatty" <pttyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:56:33 +1030, David Simpson
<farookdas@picknowl.com.au> wrote:
He is not mentioned in Josephus
You're reading a different Josephus than I am ..
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02 Nov 2004 08:33:26 AM |
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In article <UYLhd.33762$JS4.2361@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, Stormin Mormon says...
Hmm. Jews: Endless commentaries on Joesphus.
Catholics: A papal bull on Josephus ends all discussion.
Protestants: Looking for Josephus in the Bible.
Unitarian: Is there a Josephus?
Baptist: We are the true church because of Josephus.
Petnacostals: You have to Josephus in tongues to prove you have the
indwelling of the Josephus.
Buddhists: Josephus over and over again.
Taoists: The way of the peaceful Josephus.
Satanists: The dead Josephus brings more power to us.
Mormons: The complete and restored Josephus.
Adventists: The mark of the beast is to obey the National Josephus Law.
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Teresita aka Ruby Redinger
http://web.newsguy.com/rubyred
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01 Nov 2004 08:42:27 AM |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:56:33 +1030, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, David Simpson
<farookdas@picknowl.com.au> yodeled:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:53:21 -0500, George Peatty
<pttyg47-1230@copper.net> typed furiously:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:47:17 +0800, bob young
<alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:
This would be less a load of rubbish if JC could be shown to have
ever existed as a human, let alone as the 'son of a god'.
How is it that the Gospel accounts fail to persuade you? You're
asking me to believe that the account of Jesus Christ was fabricated
out of whole cloth, and part of some con game that has persisted for
two millennia and hoodwinked millions? And, you call me simple?
Since there is _no_ independent evidence that such a person actually
existed then yes. It is those who believe that are simple. The New
Testament is the only evidence for the existence of Yeshua ben Yosef
of Nazareth. He is not mentioned in Josephus and many smaller events
are listed in those histories.
That is like saying that only the documents that
mention Caesar are evidence for his existence, so
therefore, you are simple if you believe he existed.
Let me lay it out for you. You speak from ignorance
and a lack of research. I speak from my brillant mind and years of study.
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor to follow thee: neither
have I desired the woeful day; thou knowest: that which came out of my lips
was right before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is
the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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03 Nov 2004 05:39:26 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com>
Let me lay it out for you. You speak from ignorance
and a lack of research. I speak from my brillant mind and years of study.
You speak like a fundamentalist...out of your fundament!
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01 Nov 2004 09:21:56 AM |
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In article <Xns9594589295713pastordave38nospamya@130.133.1.4>, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:56:33 +1030, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, David Simpson
<farookdas@picknowl.com.au> yodeled:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:53:21 -0500, George Peatty
<pttyg47-1230@copper.net> typed furiously:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:47:17 +0800, bob young
<alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:
This would be less a load of rubbish if JC could be shown to have
ever existed as a human, let alone as the 'son of a god'.
How is it that the Gospel accounts fail to persuade you? You're
asking me to believe that the account of Jesus Christ was fabricated
out of whole cloth, and part of some con game that has persisted for
two millennia and hoodwinked millions? And, you call me simple?
Since there is _no_ independent evidence that such a person actually
existed then yes. It is those who believe that are simple. The New
Testament is the only evidence for the existence of Yeshua ben Yosef
of Nazareth. He is not mentioned in Josephus and many smaller events
are listed in those histories.
That is like saying that only the documents that
mention Caesar are evidence for his existence, so
therefore, you are simple if you believe he existed.
Let me lay it out for you. You speak from ignorance
and a lack of research. I speak from my brillant mind and years of study.
• chortle. There's a rabbi by the name of Yeshua mentioned in the Dead
Sea Scrolls found in Cave-Q4. His followers called him 'the teacher of
righteousness'.
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03 Nov 2004 07:13:17 PM |
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On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 15:21:56 GMT, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, (•R.L.Measures)
yodeled:
In article <Xns9594589295713pastordave38nospamya@130.133.1.4>, Pastor
Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:56:33 +1030, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, David Simpson
<farookdas@picknowl.com.au> yodeled:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:53:21 -0500, George Peatty
<pttyg47-1230@copper.net> typed furiously:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:47:17 +0800, bob young
<alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:
This would be less a load of rubbish if JC could be shown to have
ever existed as a human, let alone as the 'son of a god'.
How is it that the Gospel accounts fail to persuade you? You're
asking me to believe that the account of Jesus Christ was fabricated
out of whole cloth, and part of some con game that has persisted for
two millennia and hoodwinked millions? And, you call me simple?
Since there is _no_ independent evidence that such a person actually
existed then yes. It is those who believe that are simple. The New
Testament is the only evidence for the existence of Yeshua ben Yosef
of Nazareth. He is not mentioned in Josephus and many smaller events
are listed in those histories.
That is like saying that only the documents that
mention Caesar are evidence for his existence, so
therefore, you are simple if you believe he existed.
Let me lay it out for you. You speak from ignorance
and a lack of research. I speak from my brillant mind and years of
study.
• chortle. There's a rabbi by the name of Yeshua mentioned in the
Dead Sea Scrolls found in Cave-Q4. His followers called him 'the
teacher of righteousness'.
Thank you I am righteous and always right.
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor to follow thee:
neither have I desired the woeful day; thou knowest: that which came out
of my lips was right before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is
the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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03 Nov 2004 05:12:51 AM |
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On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 15:21:56 GMT, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, (•R.L.Measures)
yodeled:
In article <Xns9594589295713pastordave38nospamya@130.133.1.4>, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:56:33 +1030, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, David Simpson
<farookdas@picknowl.com.au> yodeled:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:53:21 -0500, George Peatty
<pttyg47-1230@copper.net> typed furiously:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:47:17 +0800, bob young
<alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:
This would be less a load of rubbish if JC could be shown to have
ever existed as a human, let alone as the 'son of a god'.
How is it that the Gospel accounts fail to persuade you? You're
asking me to believe that the account of Jesus Christ was fabricated
out of whole cloth, and part of some con game that has persisted for
two millennia and hoodwinked millions? And, you call me simple?
Since there is _no_ independent evidence that such a person actually
existed then yes. It is those who believe that are simple. The New
Testament is the only evidence for the existence of Yeshua ben Yosef
of Nazareth. He is not mentioned in Josephus and many smaller events
are listed in those histories.
That is like saying that only the documents that
mention Caesar are evidence for his existence, so
therefore, you are simple if you believe he existed.
Let me lay it out for you. You speak from ignorance
and a lack of research. I speak from my brillant mind and years of study.
• chortle. There's a rabbi by the name of Yeshua mentioned in the Dead
Sea Scrolls found in Cave-Q4. His followers called him 'the teacher of
righteousness'.
You responded to the imposter.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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02 Nov 2004 06:24:27 PM |
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On 1 Nov 2004 14:42:27 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
Let me lay it out for you. You speak from ignorance
and a lack of research. I speak from my brillant mind and years of study.
"he is conceited and understands nothing; "
1 Timothy 6:4
I speak from my brillant mind and years of study.
"Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you thinks that he is
wise in this age, he must become foolish, so that he may become wise."
1 Corinthians 3:18
I speak from my brillant mind and years of study.
"And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing
yet as he ought to know."
1 Corinthians 8:2
I speak from my brillant mind and years of study.
Mark 9:35, "...If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last
of all, and servant of all."
Dave, you're coming in loud and clear.
Qualem blennum!
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03 Nov 2004 07:12:32 PM |
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On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 00:24:27 GMT, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, Don < calldonREMOVE IT
@something.net> yodeled:
On 1 Nov 2004 14:42:27 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
Let me lay it out for you. You speak from ignorance
and a lack of research. I speak from my brillant mind and years of
study.
"he is conceited and understands nothing; "
1 Timothy 6:4
I speak from my brillant mind and years of study.
"Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you thinks that he is
wise in this age, he must become foolish, so that he may become wise."
1 Corinthians 3:18
I speak from my brillant mind and years of study.
"And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing
yet as he ought to know."
1 Corinthians 8:2
I speak from my brillant mind and years of study.
Mark 9:35, "...If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last
of all, and servant of all."
Dave, you're coming in loud and clear.
That was an imposter. What I actually said, went as
follows...
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:56:33 +1030, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, David Simpson
<farookdas@picknowl.com.au> yodeled:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:53:21 -0500, George Peatty
<pttyg47-1230@copper.net> typed furiously:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:47:17 +0800, bob young
<alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:
This would be less a load of rubbish if JC could be shown to have
ever existed as a human, let alone as the 'son of a god'.
How is it that the Gospel accounts fail to persuade you? You're
asking me to believe that the account of Jesus Christ was fabricated
out of whole cloth, and part of some con game that has persisted for
two millennia and hoodwinked millions? And, you call me simple?
Since there is _no_ independent evidence that such a person actually
existed then yes. It is those who believe that are simple. The New
Testament is the only evidence for the existence of Yeshua ben Yosef
of Nazareth. He is not mentioned in Josephus and many smaller events
are listed in those histories.
That is like saying that only the documents that
mention Caesar are evidence for his existence, so
therefore, you are simple if you believe he existed.
Let me lay it out for you. You speak from ignorance
and a lack of research while I am an expert in these matters as I am a
Pastor.. You have no idea what you are talking about.
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± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor to follow thee:
neither have I desired the woeful day; thou knowest: that which came out
of my lips was right before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is
the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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03 Nov 2004 05:14:15 AM |
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On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 00:24:27 GMT, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, Don < calldonREMOVE IT
@something.net> yodeled:
On 1 Nov 2004 14:42:27 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
Let me lay it out for you. You speak from ignorance
and a lack of research. I speak from my brillant mind and years of study.
"he is conceited and understands nothing; "
1 Timothy 6:4
I speak from my brillant mind and years of study.
"Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you thinks that he is
wise in this age, he must become foolish, so that he may become wise."
1 Corinthians 3:18
I speak from my brillant mind and years of study.
"And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing
yet as he ought to know."
1 Corinthians 8:2
I speak from my brillant mind and years of study.
Mark 9:35, "...If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last
of all, and servant of all."
Dave, you're coming in loud and clear.
That was an imposter. What I actually said, went as
follows...
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:56:33 +1030, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, David Simpson
<farookdas@picknowl.com.au> yodeled:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:53:21 -0500, George Peatty
<pttyg47-1230@copper.net> typed furiously:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:47:17 +0800, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
This would be less a load of rubbish if JC could be shown to have ever
existed as a human, let alone as the 'son of a god'.
How is it that the Gospel accounts fail to persuade you? You're asking me
to believe that the account of Jesus Christ was fabricated out of whole
cloth, and part of some con game that has persisted for two millennia and
hoodwinked millions? And, you call me simple?
Since there is _no_ independent evidence that such a person actually
existed then yes. It is those who believe that are simple. The New
Testament is the only evidence for the existence of Yeshua ben Yosef
of Nazareth. He is not mentioned in Josephus and many smaller events
are listed in those histories.
That is like saying that only the documents that
mention Caesar are evidence for his existence, so
therefore, you are simple if you believe he existed.
Let me lay it out for you. You speak from ignorance
and a lack of research. You have no idea what Josephus
said, nor would you understand why Jesus wouldn't be
mentioned, if Josephus didn't mention Him. You also
have no clue what other evidence exists and if I showed
it to you, you would merely hand wave it away. You
also have no clue whatsoever how ancient documents are
viewed by scholars, when they are found. By your
logic, many people who history books tell us existed,
never actually did, since there is certainly far less
textual evidence for their existence than Jesus'. Now
you may claim that the New Testament documents are
different, because they are religious. But that is not
true. Caesar claimed to be divine. Do you throw out
the textual evidence of his existence? Of course not,
since he doesn't let you know you're a sinner in need
of salvation. He doesn't hold a mirror up to you.
Jesus does and you don't like that, so you try to
"intellectualize" Him away. But you only make yourself
look foolish, to those who know how research in this
area is actually done.
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Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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01 Nov 2004 09:01:14 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:56:33 +1030, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, David Simpson
<farookdas@picknowl.com.au> yodeled:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:53:21 -0500, George Peatty
<pttyg47-1230@copper.net> typed furiously:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:47:17 +0800, bob young
<alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:
This would be less a load of rubbish if JC could be shown to have
ever existed as a human, let alone as the 'son of a god'.
How is it that the Gospel accounts fail to persuade you? You're
asking me to believe that the account of Jesus Christ was fabricated
out of whole cloth, and part of some con game that has persisted for
two millennia and hoodwinked millions? And, you call me simple?
Since there is _no_ independent evidence that such a person actually
existed then yes. It is those who believe that are simple. The New
Testament is the only evidence for the existence of Yeshua ben Yosef
of Nazareth. He is not mentioned in Josephus and many smaller events
are listed in those histories.
That is like saying that only the documents that
mention Caesar are evidence for his existence, so
therefore, you are simple if you believe he existed.
Let me lay it out for you. You speak from ignorance
and a lack of research. I speak from my brillant mind and years of study.
If you're looking for perfection, look in the mirror. If you find it
there, expect it elsewhere.
[Malcolm S. Forbes]
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor to follow thee: neither
have I desired the woeful day; thou knowest: that which came out of my lips
was right before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is
the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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