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"Michael Christ" |
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27 Jan 2008 06:14:18 PM |
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Would you agree...? |
Things are all over the place because my Outlook Express crashed.
Consequently I have taken the replies to this message and put them in one
post.
Fortunately things are back to normal with Outlook Express.
An excerpt from a letter.
"A Christian man was driving along the street one day in his car with
his son and his son was suddenly overcome with an asthma attack.
Laying hands on him he cried out to God for the healing. He watched
his son go blue knowing that the life threatening muscle contractions
in his son's throat was depriving him of oxygen. Fervently seeking a
solution, as it happened, he noticed a chemist shop out of the corner
of his eye in the street. He slammed on the brakes and rushed over to
the doors which read 'closed'. Looking searchingly through the glass
he could see salbutamol (the asthma) puffers on the shelf.
Immediately he smashed the window and climbed through the window
grabbed the puffer and administered the medication to his son, saving
his life.
Due to the extenuating circumstances the judge who sat before him let
him off with a slap on the wrist fine. But that as it is does not
negate the fact that he broke the law, stole the puffer, and was a
thief in the eyes of God...or so it would appear in the unprincipled
reprobate religious walking 'not-of-faith' self-righteous mind. In
case you didn't realise, I don't particularly like the religious mind-
set. They judge and demand others live a life of perfection in the
flesh while they are blissfully and wilfully ignorant of the fact
that they don't live it themselves; in a nutshell, hypocrisy.
Anyway, the question is: did the man take the puffer based on the fact
that he could get something for nothing (i.e. stealing) or did he love
his son as himself - having received an answer to his prayer?
1Co 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not
expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought
under the power of any.
1Co 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not
expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
What if things edify in Spirit and are expedient in Spirit, and that
the Christian man is not brought under the power of stealing but
simply moving in the liberty of faith in God - contrary to the self-
righteous fundamental legalistic elements of this world. Is God
limited by the ways of men??
God does not do that which is contrary to His Word, yet how many know
the length and breadth and height and depth of that Word? Is not the
world and the fullness thereof the Lord's? Then whose Chemist shop is
it? Whose puffer is it? With God, all things are possible, for to
the pure of heart (that Christian man), all things are pure. But
these things are not seen or acted upon except through the eyes of
faith.
In case all that seems a little hazy: one cannot limit God. Nothing
limits God and the movement and freedom of His Spirit in His own (free
and free indeed). The implication of what I am saying is enormous.
That means that once a person is crucified of the old nature through
faith he/she is not restricted in anyway of doing anything through the
will of God. Free."
Mike
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My Sons are born of Me
They are My Spirit.
In them is no darkness at all.
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Guardian Snow wrote:
You've posed a very interesting question and I think it has to be
addressed two different ways. Scripturally, breaking into the store,
the father demonstrated his lack of faith in Elohim. Physically, he
did what was right for an unbeliever.
Mat 17:20 And ????? said to them, "Because of your unbelief, for
truly, I say to you, if you have belief as a mustard seed, you shall
say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it shall move.
And no matter shall be impossible for you.
If this person had truly been inspired by the set apart spirit he
would not have thought to save his son by breaking laws and would have
been truly able to heal his son by the spirit of ?????.
Act 4:30 by stretching out Your hand for healing, and signs, and
wonders to take place through the Name of Your set-apart Servant
?????."
I disagree with your quoting of Paul as if all things are lawful for
Christians.
Mat 5:19 "Whoever, then, breaks one of the least of these commands,
and teaches men so, shall be called least in the reign of the heavens;
but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the
reign of the heavens.
Exo 20:15 "You do not steal.
The flip side of this issue isn't so much that this man did steal
anything provided he alerted the authorities and paid for the damage
and goods. Still an interesting question:)
Shalom,
Snow
Hi Snow,
Do you think God guides a doctor's hands?
Mike
Raymond wrote:
What has religion to do with this? It could of been a atheist or just
anyone, I believe anyone could of or would of done the same to save a
life. You point to religion instead of seeing a life that is alive
because someone took action. He broke the law, to save a life, we do
not see he ran away or stole the puffer, if the owner was there he
could of open the shop, or accepted the money or the drug. Did he
call 911 himself and wait for the police? This statment did not say,
to the lost they only want to show just how cold hearted they are and
how blind and ignorant you are when a life or death incidence
happens. This whole statement here points the finger right back at
accuser and their hypocrisy, with or without a God, a life is more
important then a class window. The judge seen the value of life, a
unbeliever only seem to see, hate and jump into attack mode, since the
word "prayer" or "God" is used. What a poor life such a person must
live.
Hi Raymond,
What do you think of this?
Psalm 24:1
The earth is the LORD's, and the fullness thereof; the world, and they that
dwell therein.
Mike
Hi Emma,
I don't understand why he couldn't just drive
straight to hospital.
No time.
Anyway, generally the police don't prosecute in
cases that involve emergencies eg. speeding
in a car to get to hospital.
Its the spiritual nature of the dilemma that is the issue.
Jesus broke the religious law when he thought
it was necessary. So I think it is okay to break
laws in exceptional circumstances.
Is the Spirit of God laws?
Mike
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| User: "Ghamph" |
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| Title: Re: Would you agree...? |
28 Jan 2008 09:29:38 AM |
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"Michael Christ" <christianlife@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:13pq7iqtivi6p90@corp.supernews.com...
An excerpt from a letter.
"A Christian man was driving along the street one day in his car with
his son and his son was suddenly overcome with an asthma attack.
Laying hands on him he cried out to God for the healing. He watched
his son go blue knowing that the life threatening muscle contractions
in his son's throat was depriving him of oxygen. Fervently seeking a
solution, as it happened, he noticed a chemist shop out of the corner
of his eye in the street. He slammed on the brakes and rushed over to
the doors which read 'closed'. Looking searchingly through the glass
he could see salbutamol (the asthma) puffers on the shelf.
Immediately he smashed the window and climbed through the window
grabbed the puffer and administered the medication to his son, saving
his life.
An obviously fictitious man whose son had an existing case of asthma that
was advanced?
It was not something that the man was not aware of (being his father).
The man being guilty of neglect, was the main reason he had to steal an
inhaler.
If I knew that I had an existing condition (asthma or diabetes etc.) which
required maintenance by medication, I would never forget to bring medicine
while traveling.
Make up a better fake story please.
You might suck in more morons that way.
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| User: "Michael Christ" |
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| Title: Re: Would you agree...? |
28 Jan 2008 01:38:26 PM |
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"Ghamph" <ghamph@localnet.com> wrote in message
news:13prt20mhs9tq79@corp.supernews.com...
"Michael Christ" <christianlife@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:13pq7iqtivi6p90@corp.supernews.com...
An excerpt from a letter.
"A Christian man was driving along the street one day in his car with
his son and his son was suddenly overcome with an asthma attack.
Laying hands on him he cried out to God for the healing. He watched
his son go blue knowing that the life threatening muscle contractions
in his son's throat was depriving him of oxygen. Fervently seeking a
solution, as it happened, he noticed a chemist shop out of the corner
of his eye in the street. He slammed on the brakes and rushed over to
the doors which read 'closed'. Looking searchingly through the glass
he could see salbutamol (the asthma) puffers on the shelf.
Immediately he smashed the window and climbed through the window
grabbed the puffer and administered the medication to his son, saving
his life.
An obviously fictitious man whose son had an existing case of asthma that
was advanced?
It was not something that the man was not aware of (being his father).
The man being guilty of neglect, was the main reason he had to steal an
inhaler.
If I knew that I had an existing condition (asthma or diabetes etc.) which
required maintenance by medication, I would never forget to bring medicine
while traveling.
Make up a better fake story please.
You might suck in more morons that way.
I found you didn't I? :-).
You must remember Ghamph not everyone can be as you obviously are.
Have some pity on us.
Mike
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My Sons are born of Me
They are My Spirit.
In them is no darkness at all.
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| User: "Thurisaz, warrior of Thor" |
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| Title: Re: Would you agree...? |
27 Jan 2008 09:53:43 PM |
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Michael Moron Christ:
...He watched
his son go blue knowing that the life threatening muscle contractions
in his son's throat was depriving him of oxygen...
Translation:
"It's all just a fairy tale and I don't even know what I'm talking about,
but this myth might fool someone into the cult, so let's tell it!"
Asthma has _nothing_ to do with the _throat._
*yaaaaaaaawn* Morontheists. If it sounds like it's pro Da Lawd they will
swallow it hook line and sinker.
How do you find the way to your workplaces every morning (assuming you work
for a living and don't just fleece a flock of victims)?
--
Thurisaz, warrior of Thor, natural enemy of morontheism
The judgment of morontheism: http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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| User: "Michael Christ" |
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| Title: Re: Would you agree...? |
28 Jan 2008 01:39:17 AM |
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"Thurisaz, warrior of Thor"wrote:
Asthma has _nothing_ to do with the _throat._
Okay it is obstruction of airways by excessive mucous production and edema
of respiratory mucosa, sorry. You are right. Congratulations.
Mike
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My Sons are born of Me
They are My Spirit.
In them is no darkness at all.
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