"Sam Taylor" <cygnet@cncnet.com> wrote in message
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even though I think the trinitarians are wrong, and the oneness are
just plain wacko
the JW's also have it wrong thinking jesus is Mike the archangel.
instead of belief in the fact that Jesus is the Only begotton son of
G-D, who G-D gave, and never got back.G-D gave that NOT when He
(jesus) died on the Cross or Stake whichever.

I am not with the JWs, but I, like many trinitarians, do believe that
Michael is another name for Jesus.

BUT when He (Jesus) humbled himself and became a servant, not an Angel
or BECAME Flesh, not take on Flesh, and BECAME the second Adam.

Jesus did indeed leave the glory he had with his God and Father (John 17:5)
and became a human being -- nothing more, nothing less. As a sinless human
being, he was prefigured by Adam when Adam before Adam became corrupted.
(Romans 5:14) Never having fallen short of the glory of God, Jesus had the
full crown of glory as a human being. (Romans 3:23) Thus, in him was life, a
life that could be offered in sacrifice for the world of mankind, which
human life he did offer to his God and Father. Jesus is now no longer in the
days of his flesh, and is now the last Adam, the life-giving spirit being (1
Corinthians 15:45), possessing the glory of the heavenly, not the
earthly. -- 1 Corinthians 15:40.

None of this negates that Jesus is the Michael the archangel.

and presented that unto the ONE True G-D, as a holy substitute for the
fallen adam.
and the Hope is Bodily we become like him, not G-D's or even g-ds,
but put on the second Adam.
but then I believe in a bodily ressurection

All resurrections are bodily, whether that body be the glory of the
heavenly, or the earthly. -- 1 Corinthians 15:40.

"Sam Taylor" <cygnet@cncnet.com> wrote in message
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even though I think the trinitarians are wrong, and the oneness are
just plain wacko
the JW's also have it wrong thinking jesus is Mike the archangel.
instead of belief in the fact that Jesus is the Only begotton son of
G-D, who G-D gave, and never got back.G-D gave that NOT when He
(jesus) died on the Cross or Stake whichever.

I am not with the JWs, but I, like many trinitarians, do believe that
Michael is another name for Jesus.

BUT when He (Jesus) humbled himself and became a servant, not an Angel
or BECAME Flesh, not take on Flesh, and BECAME the second Adam.

Jesus did indeed leave the glory he had with his God and Father (John 17:5)
and became a human being -- nothing more, nothing less. As a sinless human
being, he was prefigured by Adam when Adam before Adam became corrupted.
(Romans 5:14) Never having fallen short of the glory of God, Jesus had the
full crown of glory as a human being. (Romans 3:23) Thus, in him was life, a
life that could be offered in sacrifice for the world of mankind, which
human life he did offer to his God and Father. Jesus is now no longer in the
days of his flesh, and is now the last Adam, the life-giving spirit being (1
Corinthians 15:45), possessing the glory of the heavenly, not the
earthly. -- 1 Corinthians 15:40.

None of this negates that Jesus is the Michael the archangel.

and presented that unto the ONE True G-D, as a holy substitute for the
fallen adam.
and the Hope is Bodily we become like him, not G-D's or even g-ds,
but put on the second Adam.
but then I believe in a bodily ressurection

All resurrections are bodily, whether that body be the glory of the
heavenly, or the earthly. -- 1 Corinthians 15:40.

I am supposing the idea is that bodily resurrection is meant to refer to
Jesus' being resurrected, supposedly with the same body of flesh that he
died with.

Neither the world nor the church will ever again see Jesus in the flesh. Why
not? Because he sacrificed his flesh once for all time. He never takes it
back, nor does he have any reason to take it back. If he should take that
flesh back, then the sacrifice would become void, for in order to completely
fufill the condemnation upon Adam, Jesus' humanity has to be dead forever.
The very purpose of Jesus' becoming flesh was to sacrifice that flesh for
the sin of the
world. Having presented that flesh, his body, in sacrifice after his
ascension, he has no need to ever again become flesh.

The apostle Paul calls attention to the difference between heavenly bodies
and earthly bodies, and declares that they have different glories. (1
Corinthians 15:40) He tells us that the first Adam was made a living soul, a
human being, but that our redeemer, he who came from heaven, who humbled
himself, and took the earthly nature -- "for the suffering of death"
(Hebrews 2:9) -- being foreshadowed by sinless Adam (Romans 5:14), and being
crowned with the earthly glory as was sinless Adam (Psalm 8:5; Hebrews 2:9).
Jesus' body of was prepared by his God, without the taint of sin or
condemnation in Adam. (Hebrews 10:5) But Jesus did not remain flesh, for he
offered his earthly glory, his flesh, his body, in sacrifice for the church
and the world. (John 6:51; Hebrews 10:10; 1 John 2:2) What we need to
remember is what Jesus sacrificed, what he offered to his God, was human
life and all that pertains to it. Jesus did not die for spirit beings; he
died for human beings, the "all" that are dying in Adam. -- 1 Corinthians
15:21,22; Romans 5:12- 19.

John tells us of Jesus that "in him was life, and the life was the light of
men." (John 1:4) What does this mean, that in Jesus, as a human "was life"?
John 9:5 gives us the answer. Since Jesus, unlike Adam, was totally
obedient, his sinless human life offered light to the dying race of mankind.
Thus Jesus said: "As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the
world." (John 9:5, New King James version) The good news is that Jesus came
with a perfect human life that he could offer in sacrifice to his God on
man's behalf in order to atone for the sin of the world. Thus Jesus, while a
man, possessed life, and by his continued obedience brought life and
incorruption to light. (2 Timothy 1:10) Jesus condemned sin in the flesh by
showing that a sinless, incorrupt human can obey God's laws. -- Romans 8:3;
1 Timothy 1:10.
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http://atonement.reslight.net/c-s.html

Jesus, as a human, as most know the scriptures say, was without sin. Unlike
dying mankind, Jesus had life, thus in him was life! How thankful we can be
that the great Logos, the Word of God, the only direct living creation of
God, the one through whom all things were made, when the offer was made, and
the "joy set before him," said to his God, "Lo I come (in the volume of the
book it is written of me) to do thy will, 0 God." (John 1:1-3, Diaglott
Literal; Hebrews 10:7; 12:2; Revelation 3:14). The life and personality of
the Logos was then transferred and he became the babe of Bethlehem. "He was
made
flesh and being found in fashion [likeness] as a man [sinful flesh -- Romans
8:3] he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of
the cross [stauros]." - John 1:14; Philippians 2:8; Hebrews 2:14.

Jesus' human body was not prepared from sinful human stock, but Jesus says
of his God: "But a body did you prepare for me." (Hebrews 10:5)
It is thus this sinless human body, having sinless life, that Jesus
willingly offered in sacrifice. (Hebrews 10:10) Yes, in Jesus *was* life --
human life, crowned with the glory of a sinless man, who by sinlessness had
not fallen short of the glory of God. -- Romans 3:23; Hebrews 2:9.

Thus seen, what did Jesus sacrifice?

He gave his humanity -- including his body of flesh -- as an offsetting
price, which sacrifice he formally presented to his God as priest after his
ascension. - - Hebrews 8:4; 9:24-26; 10:10.

1) Jesus gave his blood in sacrifice.

Matthew 26:28 - for this is my blood of the new covenant, which is poured
out for many for the remission of sins.

Mark 14:24 - He said to them, "This is my blood of the new covenant, which
is poured out for many.

Luke 22:20 - He took the cup in like manner after supper, saying, "This cup
is the new covenant in my blood, that which is poured out for you.

Acts 20:28 - Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy
Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God which he
obtained with the blood of his own Son. - Revised Standard Version.

Romans 5:9 - Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we will be
saved from God's wrath through him.

Ephesians 1:7 - in whom we have our redemption through his blood, the
forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace.

However, what does blood represent? Jesus' human soul, which he also gave in
sacrifice.

Leviticus 17:11 - For the life [Hebrew, nephesh - soul] of the flesh is in
the blood.

Deuteronomy 12:23 - The blood is the life [Hebrew, nephesh - soul].

The human soul consists of the body made from the dust of the ground and the
neshamah, representing the activation of the body by spirit of life as
received from God. -- Genesis 2:7.

2) Yes, Jesus did sacrifice his human body: He thus was not raised as a
human, but as a spirit being, with a spiritual body.

Hebrews 10:10 by which will we have been sanctified through the offering of
the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Hebrews 10:11 Every priest indeed stands day by day ministering and often
offering the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins,
Hebrews 10:12 but he, when he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever,
sat down on the right hand of God;
Hebrews 10:13 henceforth expecting until his enemies to be made the
footstool of his feet.
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he has perfected forever those who are
sanctified.

Luke 22:19 He took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and
gave to them, saying, "This is *my body which is given [as an offering in
sacrifice to God - Ephesians 5:2; Hebrews 9:14] for you*. Do this in memory
of me."

3) Jesus sacrificed his flesh:

John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down out of heaven. If anyone
eats of this bread, he will live forever. Yes, the bread which I will give
is my flesh, for the life of the world.

4) Jesus sacrificed his human soul:

Matthew 20:28 even as the Son of Man came not to be served, but to serve,
and to give his life [soul] as a ransom [price to offset] for many.

Isaiah 53:12 He *poured out his soul* to death, and was numbered with the
transgressors: yet he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the
transgressors.

He died; he was totally dead, ceased to be sentient, else there has been no
ransom. His body was given in sacrifice. (Hebrews 10:10; Luke 22:19) Jesus'
soul -- his human sentiency -- was given in sacrifice (Ecclesiastes 9:5) and
went into sheol, where there is no work, device, knowledge or wisdom, and
wherein one cannot give thanks to, or praise to, Yahweh. (Isaiah 53:12;
Matthew 20:28; Mark 10:45; Ecclesiastes 9:10; Psalm 6:5; Isaiah 38:18)
Jesus' human blood -- which represents his human soul/being (Leviticus
17:11; Deuteronomy 12:23) -- was given in sacrifice. (Mark 14:24; Acts
20:28; Hebrews 9:14) Thus his soul -- his being -- as raised, made alive,
from the oblivious condition of sheol was no longer human, but spirit, with
a spiritual, not a physical, body.

Once we realize that the human soul consists of the body of flesh activated
by the neshamah, or spirit of life from God (Genesis 2:7), we can see how
Jesus gave his entire humanity in sacrifice; he is no longer in the days of
his flesh, and the world will never again literally see Jesus, either in the
flesh, or in his heavenly glory. -- Hebrews 5:7.
http://godandson.reslight.net/jesus-body.html
http://godandson.reslight.net/raisedspirit.html

In service of Jesus and his God,
Ronald

"colp" <colp@solder.ath.cx> wrote in message
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On Aug 12, 4:11 pm, "ResLight" <rday...@reject.reslight.net> wrote:

Yes, Jesus is not EHYEH. EHYEH (Yahweh) sent Jesus.

No. These verses should be considered without doctrine.

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham
was, I am.
John 8:58

Yes, there is no reason to add to the scripture a doctrine that Jesus was
saying that he was EHYEH (Yahweh). Such a doctrine has to be added to and
read into what Jesus said.